High social trust, a key feature of successful Nordic welfare states, is often easier to maintain in societies with shared language, culture, and values. This trust underpins willingness to pay high taxes, support wealth redistribution, and invest in universal services. In this view, ethnic and cultural homogeneity reduces perceived competition over resources, minimizes social fragmentation, and makes solidarity more feasible at the national level. Rapid or poorly managed immigration, particularly if it leads to parallel societies or social alienation, can strain this cohesion, thus undermining support for redistributive policies and fueling backlash that weakens the left as a whole.

However, it’s critical to note that this position is not universally accepted and is strongly opposed by internationalist and anti-racist socialists, who argue that solidarity should transcend ethnicity and that true socialism must be inclusive, not exclusionary.

I realise I am playing with fire, but socialists need to understand that from a strategic standpoint, rapid demographic change driven by capitalist global forces (e.g. war, exploitation, labor migration) risks fragmenting class unity, making it easier for reactionary forces to undermine socialism by pitting groups against each other. By maintaining stability at home, Nordic countries could better offer material aid, models, and moral leadership to international movements—without importing the chaos created by the very capitalist imperialism socialism seeks to destroy.

Infecting women with feminism is a central and key lynchpin that erodes High Trust from society at an extreme rate.
Once your women hate their men, they will make absolutely no distinction between men of any other tribe and those of their own.

Yes, because discussing these things on a socially irrelevant board such as this will make a difference. Thanks for all the paragraphs, dumb nigger

>>509446811 (OP)
>willingness to pay high taxes
That's kind of a contradiction in terms, isn't it?
If people were actually willing to pay taxes then it wouldn't be a crime to not pay taxes, in fact there'd be no taxes, government would get by on voluntary donations.

>anti-racist socialists
Those are shitlibs in Che Guevara t-shirts, not socialists. Anti-immigration has always been a left wing position.

>>509447283
I am announcing my war room strategy to those willing to hear it. There’s plenty of people on /pol/ that want to build heavenly socialism.

>>509446811 (OP)
So...Why do HIGH trust societies, whos members trust their fellow countrymen, need GOVERNMENT mandated wealth distribution?
If anything such societies would work great with charity right?
While LOW trust socities would have issues with people not wanting to help others whom they do not trust thus requiring some organization to steal their money by force.

>>509447673
I am always amazed by how far socialist will go with their mental hymanstics to justify government power.

>>509446811 (OP)
>melting pot mistake

>>509447673
I suppose I'm killing my own point in the eyes of most anons by saying so but I agree with the Israeli.

>>509447673
High-trust societies *don’t exist in spite of government redistribution—they exist in large part because of it. When people trust that their taxes are used fairly—for universal healthcare, education, pensions—they’re more willing to pay into a system that benefits everyone. It’s not charity, which is selective and unreliable. It’s social solidarity formalized.

In low-trust societies, people don’t trust the state or each other—so yes, redistribution struggles. But in high-trust countries like Norway or Finland, people support strong government programs precisely because they believe others are doing their part. That’s not coercion—it’s democratic collective action.

And charity? It’s a band-aid. It depends on the moods of the rich. Redistribution through taxation, on the other hand, guarantees dignity and services for all, not just those who beg for it. That’s not theft—it’s civilization.

So no, trust doesn’t make government unnecessary. Trust is what makes good government possible.

I've become too apathetic to care about this rapidly sinking ship and its passengers so I'm not gonna bother reading all that shit

Fuck Norgay

>>509448177
>And charity? It’s a band-aid. It depends on the moods of the rich.
What, you don't TRUST the rich to provide enough charity?

>>509448303
Absolutely not, their wealth was accumulated by extracting value from workers, dodging taxes, and benefiting from a system rigged in their favor.

Charity is a tool they use to polish their image, not to dismantle the conditions that made them rich in the first place.

Charity is voluntary, selective, and undemocratic. It puts the basic needs of millions at the mercy of billionaires’ whims and PR teams. Redistribution through taxation and public services is structural, accountable, and based on collective decision-making, not elite generosity.

In a class society, the rich don’t give back—they give crumbs to stop us from demanding the bakery. The working class doesn’t need charity. It needs power.

>>509448177
>not coercion, its semocratci
Ok, youre just dumb i guess.

come let me, my friends and you vote on if we should take all your money and belongings for ourselves...
it wont be coercion cause we will have a majority agreeing to steal all your stuff!

>>509448579
Do you now see the point?
>I live in a high-trust society
>Do you trust these members of your society?
>ABSOLUTELY NOT

>>509448698
In a democracy, taxation is a collective, legally structured process where everyone, including me, has a say in how resources are pooled to fund roads, schools, hospitals, and social stability.

Also, nice slippery slope. No one’s voting to take all your belongings.

>>509448838
Nope, your “gotcha” moment isn’t a contradiction. It just proves you’ve misunderstood how trust works on a social level.

>>509448177
shouldnt you be at least somewhat critical of what they teach you in your GOVERNMENT schools about the GOVERNMENT's use of force?

I mean if i were to go to a car salesman and he told me all his cars are amazing and totally worth the asking price id be somewhat skeptical.

>>509449043
Maybe you should define what trust means to you because it seems clear to me that whatever definition you're using is pretty unconventional AFAIK.

>>509448920
Ok so me and my friends will vote on taking all your stuff and you will also get a vote and we will write complex procedures about how exactly your money will be taken and how exactly we will divide it!
The fact you have a lot of people agreeing to steal from or kill someone else in no way makes those acts any more or less moral.

Stealing cheating killing is all bad and a majority of people agreeing to do it, no matter in what strucured way, will ever make it not bad.
such acts can only be justified in extreme cases and most of why your government steals your money are not such cases.

>>509449084
Unlike a car salesman, whose only goal is to sell you a product, public education often includes tools to critique the government itself.

It’s healthy to question what schools teach about the state. That’s why critical thinking, historical analysis, and civic literacy are so important and ironically, those are taught in public education too. The solution isn’t to reject public education entirely like a conspiracy theorist, it’s to engage with it critically, demand better content, and challenge the narratives that serve elite interests.

If you think government schools are biased, wait until you see what private corporations teach when they’re in charge.

>>509446811 (OP)
your welfare state is entirely propped up by oil

>>509449201
When we say a country like Norway or Finland is a “high-trust society,” we mean:
• People generally believe others will follow the rules (pay taxes, obey laws, not cheat).
• People believe institutions function fairly and transparently, even if imperfectly.
• There’s a shared expectation that others contribute to the collective good, and won’t exploit public systems.

That doesn’t mean everyone trusts everyone emotionally; it means the social contract is strong. It’s the kind of trust that lets you walk into a hospital and know you’ll be treated without going bankrupt. Or that lets your kid bike to school without constant fear.

So no, it’s not unconventional. it’s just not about personal friendship or blind faith. It’s about confidence in shared norms, and predictability in how others act in public life.

>>509449466
You’re really out here throwing shade at Norway’s welfare state while living in a country where bridges collapse, healthcare bankrupts people, and your minimum wage hasn’t budged since the Bush administration?

Yes, Norway uses oil revenue — wisely, through a sovereign wealth fund that actually benefits the public. Meanwhile, your government burns through trillions on wars, zionist swine and tax breaks for billionaires while half the country can’t afford insulin.

So before you talk trash about how Norway funds schools and hospitals, maybe ask why your system lets Jeff Bezos go to space while your neighbor crowdfunds their surgery. Norway didn’t just get lucky, it knew how to manage wealth for the people, not funnel it to the top.

Try that sometime.

>>509449376
aha..
Except neither me not my kids are forced to injest corporate advertisment or corporate schooling but i AM forced to send my kids to GOVERNMENT "education" institutions.

It really is amazing how brainwashed citizens will defend government forcing them to send their own kids to be educated based on programs and methods decided by government officials.

I guess you also think state newspapers and tv channels are a great idea?
Surely if its ok for government to educate kids its ok for it to fund its own newaspapers and tv channels to educate the masses..

>>509449692
>minimum wage..
Minimum wage hurts the weakest members of society whos work is not worth the minimum wage.
Then the unemployable ones live in welfare and cannot enter the job market to eventually get experience and earn more.
Before you say but we can subsidize their work using some schemes so its worthwhile hiring them, well you can do that WITHOUT a minimum wage if you so desire.

>>509449699
Yikes, sounds like all you zionists know is low trust hell. It’s almost like you’re damned while I am blessed by God.