Thread 509457413

The Medicaid cuts are projected to increase the percentage of uninsured Americans to 15% or more, which is the crisis level reached during the late-00's financial crisis. The current rate is 8%.

The last time the rate hit 15%, there was serious potential unrest brewing. That's part of the reason Obamacare was jammed through in 2010, to do something to defuse the situation.

Looks like the fuse is back in, and is about to be lit...

>>509457413 (OP)
>there was serious potential unrest brewing
no there wasn't
you must be a democrat to be lying like that

lol

>>509457413 (OP)
>t. the dnc
Maybe if Obamacare wasn't a complete pile of shit that made insurance completely unaffordable to people who work for a living this wouldn't be happening.

>>509457413 (OP)
Don't worry, it will only explode during the next democrat president.

>>509457621
You don't remember the Tea Party, Occupy shit, the mortgage crisis, etc.? The reason the situation didn't erupt is because the government handed out gibs.

>>509457413 (OP)
Republicans have self destructed. Democrats will win in 2026 and 2028

>>509457621
zoomer

>>509457413 (OP)
>required by government to have insurance
>government kicks you off insurance

I still have $12,000 in Obamacare penalties from 2016-2017 - back then I made bank but I was 23 so fuck insurance, the penalty was either like $1200 or 3% of your gross income whichever was higher and I sucked at taxes

>>509457413 (OP)
when exactly is this medicaid stuff going into effect?

>>509457413 (OP)
Just don't get sick.
Losers get sick.
Winners thrive!

>>509457413 (OP)
STFU! Everyone says everything Trump does has negative ripple effects. Everyone he appoints is a Nazi or the most unqualified candidate for the job. Stop with the BS lies already. We’re winning and we’re not done! The stats and truth speaks for itself. Fuck off with your demoralization campaign you fucking kike! TKD!

Obutthole’s bullshit never did a damn thing to lower the cost of healthcare. It only made it so you HAD to get it, making things worse. He was a stupid nigger.

>>509458013
>we hate jews here in MIGA town!
lol

>>509457965
States are required to start kicking people off after January 1, 2027. Recertification is supposed to be monthly, so, most states will probably announce the first big round of dropped Medicaid patients in early February of 2027.

And once you are dropped, it's going to be tough to get back on, since the money will be limited. If you are a normal white guy, state caseworkers will put you at the back of the line.

>>509457621
yes there was. insurance companies were taking money from people then denying claims the instant they tried to use their insurance. everything was a pre-existing condition. they got too greedy, people bayed for blood and the ACA was the legislative response. UHC will be the response this time

>>509457621
Occupy wallstreet was one of the biggest problems the elites in the United States have ever faced. To say otherwise is pilpul

>>509458030
No, it didn't reduce healthcare costs. And that was a big failure. Cost reduction should have been the focus of the budget bill, instead of leaving costs alone and kicking people out of medical care entirely.

What it did do, though, was substantially reduce the percentage of uninsured people, which meant that poorer people were generally taking on less medical debt.

>>509457902
>self-reporting honestly for a financial penalty

Ngmi

>>509458281
I sure am glad they solved the problem by making my health insurance cost $32,000 a year. And that's just the insurance. Doesn't even account for the fucking COPAYS I still have.

>>509458423
is reduced the amount hospitals had to declare as a loss. now that people will be flat out uninsured, they will have to claim the unnegotiated rate

>>509457902
>I still have $12,000 in Obamacare penalties from 2016-2017 - back then I made bank but I was 23 so fuck insurance, the penalty was either like $1200 or 3% of your gross income whichever was higher and I sucked at taxes
How the fuck do you manage that? Straight up you just lie and say you do. And if you're scared of being "caught" (NOBODY EVER AUDITS IT), you pay an accountant to do it for you and they just lie on your behalf and then they assume the liability.

>>509458683
It will get more expensive without Medicaid around to pick up the slack, since hospitals and clinics will hit up the private insurance market for that missing cash, which means your premiums will spike.

>>509458683
we don't have single payer. the profit burden only gets higher every year. it's pure overhead. the increased profits can only come out of gouging you more and giving you less care at the hands of ever more worked and ever less paid staff

>>509458376
It wasn't solved with ACA. It was solved by replacing class warfare with race warfare. Why do you think nigger and troon riots became so prevalent so suddenly? Biden tried to import millions of spics to keep the race war going but now that Trump is deporting them people are noticing the 2% again.

>>509458128
Seriously. These retarded kikes are beyond easy to spot at this point.

anyway. some huge company or hedge fund will snatch up the failing hospitals. then people will be fucked over in earnest. have fun not being able to understand your caregivers (and vice versa)

>>509457820
if by "handed out gibs" you mean "infiltrated these movements and destroyed them from the inside via COINTELPRO and progressive stack" sure

>>509457413 (OP)
It costs me 32k for insurance I don't use.

>>509458861
>>509458776
Maybe that faggot Luigi was onto something.

the function of wokism was to disgust the working class away from social democracy. it worked a treat

>>509457413 (OP)
>projected
Shut up libturd, and get a job.

>>509459081
Well, by 2027, it will cost more. Medicaid is an indirect subsidy for the private insurance market, which is something most people don't realize. If you look up the percentage of revenues at many medical facilities coming from Medicaid, it is often over 20%, which is a big hit.

>>509457820
>the Tea Party
The Tea Party started because of the national debt and because the Demoshits rammed through Obamacare through reconciliation. One major reason we have trillion dollar deficits today is because the Medicaid expense has exploded since the late 00s, and it exploded because of Obamacare. Fuck you.

>>509458753
you niggers never get that the health insurance being legal in the first place is THE PROBLEM.
It allows jews to charge you more for less healthcare.
There was even a hospital chain that was founded on not accepting any insurance payments as a premise and their cost of care was far fucking lower. Guess what happened to it? It was shit canned.
A full third of hospital and healthcare costs are directly tied to healthcare providers working with insurance companies. This has lead to massive health networks consolidating that cost, and making it no longer feasible to have rural hospitals.
Yes, since the ACA the number of hospitals and access to hospital care has gone down while pricing has gone up.
But the ACA wasn't even the start of this retarded trend, it was the HMO act of 1973
captcha PHD88

There is simply no way to stop this. America is on magic soil that just makes the problem impossible to fix in fact. We just can't afford it despite being the wealthiest nation on the planet. Sorry.
Israel can afford it but we still have to send them billions in aid because the bible said so.

>>509457413 (OP)
Are you saying that 7% of Americans (23 million people) are able to work but just decide to stay home and be neets living off free government healthcare? Because those are the only people who will get kicked off of medicaid.

>>509459289
Medicare costs have exploded precisely due to more people being insured, not less.
Due to so many people being insured, hospitals can no longer actually compete on price of care, they are collectively bargained by insurance kikes and at times not even paid at all because their "coding" wankery doesn't line up with the expectations of the insurance companies.

>>509457413 (OP)
maybe it will work out and we will end up with medicaid for all (medicaid since its run more efficiently than medicare)

>>509459477
there is in fact a very simple way to fix it.
OUTLAW HEALTH INSURANCE.
prices for healthcare will fall. quality of care will increase. all with the benefit of removing governments from exerting undue pressure to healthcare.

>>509457637
lol kikes looking out for kikes while the working man gets screwed. tale as old as time.
>Weiss was one of several "wealthy or well-connected people" who "benefited from their social, political, or financial ties to a loose collection of lawyers, lobbyists, activists and Orthodox Jewish leaders who had worked with Trump administration officials on criminal justice legislation championed by Jared Kushner.

>>509459539
False. Medicaid money is being slashed by around a trillion dollars over the next decade. The only way for states to manage that loss in federal support is to reduce enrollment. Things like 'work requirements' are mostly proxies to make it easier to eliminate enrollees and applicants via paperwork.

Remember, recertification is now required every MONTH. Do you really think that cash-strapped states will dutifully report to the feds that young white guys still meet the requirements? Or will the paperwork magically get 'lost,' or somehow have 'errors' which result in disenrollment? Be realistic.

>>509457621
this is a 18+ site kiddo

>>509457413 (OP)
>erious potential unrest
What are faggots fat people and drug addicts going to do?

>>509459539
neets find a way to get disability and so will not ever get kicked off
this only hurts impoverished workers, and will also probably cost states a bunch of money to figure out how to certify people since the bill provides absolutely no mechanism to do this other than 'figure it out'

>>509459666
medicaid/medicare with the government actually being able to negotiate prices would help a lot

>>509457965
How the fuck are some of you paying 30k a year in health insurance? I pay 6k and I have no copays after 2k, meaning the max I ever spend on health insurance a year is 8k. I had some kidney stones zapped a couple years ago at a hospital and the the unnegotiated hospital bill was 40k. Why doesn't anyone blame hospitals for the retarded prices they try to charge?

No one disabled or who's attending school or who works at least a part time job of any kind is getting kicked off of medicaid.

>>509460028
There is not enough money to go around. They're getting booted. Count on it.

>>509457413 (OP)
>The Medicaid cuts are projected to increase the percentage of uninsured Americans to 15%
>Americans
Illegal Aliens are not Americans.

>>509459935
this is why medicaid is so efficient. californias medi-cal costs 20% less per capita than the national healthcare average
>>509460028
>part time job
sorry you only got 79 hours this month you are now kicked off forever :^)

>>509459477
look at where the US healthcare costs disonnect from the rest of the world specifically when amendments were made to the HMO act of 1973
Amendments to the HMO Act of 1973
October 8, 1976: Health Maintenance Organization Amendments of 1976, P.L. 94-460, 90 Stat. 1945
November 1, 1978: Health Maintenance Organization Amendments of 1978, P.L. 95-559, 92 Stat. 2131
July 10, 1979: Joint resolution to amend the Public Health Services Act and related health laws to correct printing and other technical errors, P.L. 96-32, 93 Stat. 82
August 13, 1981: Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, P.L. 97-35, 95 Stat. 357
October 24, 1988: Health Maintenance Organization Amendments of 1988, P.L. 100-517, 102 Stat. 2578
August 21, 1996: Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), P.L. 104-191, 110 Stat. 1936

>>509459935
Or you could just force hospitals to actually post how much they charge for procedures and go in hard against regional hospital that try to fix prices. Hospitals have absolutely no competition with each other.

>>509460175
>checking what the other hospitals charge while your apendix has burst

>>509457413 (OP)
Obamacare was a joke without the public option. The marketplace just showed me a bunch of plans I still couldn't afford. I get insurance through my employer now and it is still really expensive. The whole system is fucked

>>509460175
Health insurance companies would punish any hospital that did that by dropping them from their network

>>509460106
There's plenty of money for this, they're just going to crack down on people gaming the system like the hospital >>509460007 mentioned charging $40K to melt some kidney stones. These grifts are going to come to an end with RFK, Oz, etc heading up HHS. These hospitals and the companies that own them have been committing fraud for decades now, as well as insurance companies.
Start prosecuting them and things will sort out back to normal really fast.
It's already beginning-
https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Media/News-Releases/June-2025/13-Medicaid-Providers-Facing-Fraud-Charges

>>509460271
No, the point of introducing actually price mechanism to the market forces people to be critical of hospitals for once. The reason people always solely blame the insurance companies for the high cost of health care is because they are shielded from the reality that hospitals act just as jewishly as the the insurance companies. If hospitals had a public directory of their prices, hospital would have an actual competitive market in which they would be forced to lower their prices to compete for customers.

>>509457413 (OP)
Oh no, lazy assholes will have to work 20 whole hours, to get Free Shit.

What the fuck even is this shit? Do these cunts not have jobs?
I have high deductible (it's only like $1k) insurance that cost about $5/m.

> Medicare (old people insurance) and Medicaid (poor nigger insurance) and what provide insurance coverage for the patient.
> Both are used to reimburse hospitals providing the care
> Medical expenses are the biggest cause of debt

So you will have hospitals (large scale employers) cutting back staff or going bankrupt because the cash cow (Medicare/Medicaid doesn't pay shit as it is today) is gone leaving nothing but self-pay poorfags. No one can afford insurance on their own so more and more people will be forced into debtmaxx


t.oldfag healthcare IT anon now in revenue cycle for hospitals

>>509460643
when 95% of your operational income and 30% of your operational costs are tied directly to interacting with the 3rd party that provided 95% of your income, everyone gets in line with that reality.
Insurance must be outlawed, then the hospitals can be forced to actually abide by market principals and the mega health networks will also collapse as they funnel all of that income into major hospitals due to lower per patient costs and overhead when served that way.
Yes these health networks act jewishly, but that is because they must act so to even survive when 95% of their income comes directly from insurance companies.
even in general business, the rule is you do not allow a single customer type to approach even 30% of your sales, or they can start dictating and making undue demands.
now imagine if that was 95% and not even 30%.
Who is making who behave like jews anon.

>>509460864
you realize the cost of your employer health insurance is also part of your pay that you are now not getting, right?
the high cost of medical care in the US is partially caused by third party insurance companies. the solution is collective bargaining which just happens to be what large scale government programs do.

Come to think of it, weaker medicaid and medical will make them less capable of collective bargaining and might drive the prices of medical care higher for everyone else too as a consequence.

>>509461376
insurance companies are the ones collective bargaining... to the point that they dictate to hospitals what they charge and get paid, hence medical coding offices holding so much sway.

the redditor cries in pain for social justice and laments the cost of health procedures
> ignores how the biggest costs are no-insurance niggers that complain of chest pains so they can get an ambulance ride across town and sheboons all going to the ER for UTIs (and not paying)

>>509461242
>Insurance must be outlawed, then the hospitals can be forced to actually abide by market principals
This is never actually going to happen because insurance is in a way socializing the cost for recipients. There is no way to make a heart or lung transplant "affordable", there is no way to make end of life care affordable, christcucks will continue to pretend their 24 week old preemie is a gift from God. Insurance is still small scale socialism with the premiums young healthy people paying going to the old and sickly. We pay $10 for an Advil at the hospital because the money for all those heart surgeries and NICU future retards has to come from somewhere.

>>509461585
>medical coding offices holding so much sway.
coding is to ensure insurance doesn't deny claims. CMS Medicare is the biggest ball buster around and holds hospitals over the barrel for millions $$

>>509458263
I do this. I look like this. And I donate to the good folks at Chabad-Lubavitch.

>>509461749
yes, exactly. an entire sector that is doubling every couple years in healthcare, just to deal with insurance companies.

>>509457413 (OP)
It's time to repeal Obamacare.
It's functionally dead anyhow.

>>509460668
>Its just 20 hours a week you greedy goy
>Oh you worked 20 hours a week for $14 an hour at walmart?
>Uh oh you went over the $960 a month income limit for individuals so no medicaid for you goy :^)

>>509461673
Yeah, insurance companies operate at razor thin margins, American doctors make shit tons of money, but the biggest reason health care is because Americans have a "every 85 year old sheboon on dialysis and preemie baby is sacred" mentality. 1% of the total US federal budget is spent on dialysis. 50 years ago these people would have just died. It's a bit of a paradox, but as healthcare technology has gotten so much better, people are sicker than ever because we have gotten really good at keeping sick people alive.

>>509457413 (OP)
>The last time the rate hit 15%, there was serious potential unrest brewing.
Oh no the sick people are going to riot, I'm so scared!
Oh wait they're all too sick to get out of bed because they don't have any healthcare lmao!

>>509461749
It doesn't have to be this way.
We could just let these welfare sponges die.

>>509461876
>yes, exactly. an entire sector that is doubling every couple years in healthcare, just to deal with insurance companies.
whats funny about this was how during "COVID" CMS issued an emergency "we don't know how to handle this pandemic, so we won't audit how you deal with this" statement in March 2020. Guess what happened next?
EVERYTHING got diagnosed as COVID for guaranteed reimbursement

picrel. because
>>509461177
>t.oldfag healthcare IT anon now in revenue cycle for hospitals

>>509457413 (OP)
Getting sent to my local hospital is literally a death sentence

>>509458128
Shut the fuck up with your Johnny come lately performative antisemitsm. Nobody takes you fucking seriously.

>>509462007
>Yeah, insurance companies operate at razor thin margins,
take a closer look at WHERE those hospitals were getting their most consistent profit returns
> VANGUARD investments
then you understand why those same organizations were going full steam ahead into woke retardation the past 10 years

>>509461177
I was wondering about the issue of hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy. Do you see a necessity for a government bail out of hospital systems nationwide any time in the future? I half suspect trump might do a bailout of hospitals and sell them off to BlackRock

>>509462241
>Do you see a necessity for a government bail out of hospital systems nationwide any time in the future?
no - the goal is consolidation into the last man standing. First it was individual physician practices could not afford to exist on their own so they HAD to fold into their local hospital. Then those hospitals couldn't do it on their own so they had to join giant regional corporations.....it keeps getting smaller

>>509462241
>sell them off to BlackRock
you don't need to because
>>509462168
>take a closer look at WHERE those hospitals were getting their most consistent profit returns
>> VANGUARD investments
>then you understand why those same organizations were going full steam ahead into woke retardation the past 10 years

>>509462445
>>509462168
>>then you understand why those same organizations were going full steam ahead into woke retardation the past 10 years
i've worked at 6 different health systems in the last 20 years. Once 2017 hit, it has been the exact same increasing LGBT social justice punish wrong-think DEI forced on employees (everywhere i worked at).....all thanks to being beholden to those Blackrock/Vanguard investments. It was the most consist guaranteed profits yearly for those organizations. If you didn't kiss Blackrock's ring and run your company like they said, they froze you out from investing (profits)

>>509462624
Vanguard and Blackrock are majority shareholder in not just insurance companies but hospitals and other front end providers, i.e they can pull the levers from both sides (despite claiming they are "passive" investors), which isn't illegal but should be. There is no market competition.

> legit political thread
> no youtube / twitter links
> quickly shouts down the redditor
whelp guess this thread is getting archived soon
> needs more tits

>>509463607
>more tits

>>509459058
Based fellow knower

>>509463685
nice ass on that dude