Thread 509460740

THE U.S. NATIONAL DEBT WILL INCREASE TO $40 TRILLION THIS YEAR BECAUSE OF TRUMP’S BIG RETARDED BILL!

you lost

>>509460740 (OP)
The debt is made up

It can be reset with absolutely no justification. No one will complain because made up numbers aren't worth war, which is what the dollar is actually backed by.

>>509460858
nah its not made up but what really matters is GDP to debt ratio

>>509460740 (OP)
>memeflag
lol
lmfao

>>509460740 (OP)
Yeah it’s stupid. Fuck spending. But don’t act like your ilk isn’t responsible for spending either. It’s out of control and fuck you for playing stupid politics. Stupid faggot.

>>509460740 (OP)
just dont pay lmao

>>509460835
You fell for it again.

>>509460858
That's not how it works though. If you don't pay your debts, nobody will ever do business with you and only way you will be able to borrow money is with exorbitantly high interest rates which will tank the growth and economy and dry up the foreign investment in your bonds and stocks markets. Economy is all about the trust in stability of the system and promise of return on investment. You fuck that up, you become a nigger in everybody's eyes.

>>509460858
Ask Argentina how well that worked for them.

>>509462507
I don't think their currency was digits in a computer though.

>>509460835
You are a kike

>>509460740 (OP)
We can just sell Canada to Russia or China and pay it off. As a bonus we can give them Dakotas Texas Mississippi Louisiana Alabama and maybe Kentucky.

>>509460858
You honestly dont understand just how crazy the pyramid scheme this world is set up on. We cant just erase the debt. I mean we can but if we do the whole stack of cards falls apart and we have to replace it with something quickly or all of civilization collapses when people stop going to work

>>509460740 (OP)
Just like the tariffs will crash the economy, right? Any day now.

>>509462407
It's okay, migatards are completely financially illiterate, they can only find out the hard way, like all communists.

>>509462163
Theoretically, that crypto trick could ***potentially*** work, if the goverment buys enough crypto while it's realtively cheap.
Even if it has only $1 billion dollars woth of BTC, the goverment could do a psyop to pump the shit out of the value in to the moon (40k times) and once it's networth reaches the $40 Trillion, use it to pay the FED. Not sure if the FED would accept the payment and if it did not sure what would happen to the economy after that (hyperinflation?).

>>509460740 (OP)
Don't care. Just channel your absolute hatred for them for 2026 and 2028.
VOTE THE RED OUT!
ANYONE WITH A D to their affiliation VOTE LIKE HELL!

>>509460740 (OP)
Based. Why should any individual care about the national debt?

>>509460740 (OP)
> debt doubles in 5 years because of retarded monetary policy like 2018 tax cuts
thanks trump very cool at least the dollar is worth less so all the debt is worth less even though we will have to print more worthless dollars faster to pay off the now larger interest but at least society has partially collapsed so everything is more expensive, worse, less available, and more likely to be handled by browns

Every year I hear about the US debt increasing, why is this time different?

>>509460740 (OP)
They can't even predict what the GDP will be next quarter, you seriously think they can predict the debt and economy in 15 years?

>>509460740 (OP)
money isn't real
you lost
cope seethe & dilate

>>509460858
Not how it works.
The federal government doesn't bring in enough revenue from taxes and tariffs to cover the budget. It has to borrow money, which it does by selling US Treasury securities to anyone who wants to buy them. People only buy them because they pay interest.
If the government stopped repaying those securities then people would stop buying them and the government would run out of money and wouldn't be able to pay federal employees, which there are about 20 million of if you include contractors.
The government technically can issue currency out of thin air, but that's a fast track to hyperinflation.

>>509462939
Employment numbers already got revised down.
Consumer spending already slowed.
Manufacturing in the US actually cutting jobs due to high input cost.
Also, the fact you expect tariffs to immediately crash the economy means you have no idea what you're talking about. inventory, ordering, manufacturing is planned months if not years ahead of time. Tariff scare today translate into decreased orders months down the line, leading to shortages in the future, translating to much higher prices.

>>509463597
>2 more weeks

>>509462939
Hello anon, the USD is dying as we speak and it's getting so cheap I'm coming soon. How much for your wife?

>>509460858
^This is how evil Americans are. They're literally a Jew york kike mafia squad shaking down a neighborhood (the whole planet). How they did this was 1) tie every currency to the dollar in Bretton Wood system, 2) ditch gold standard for oil to make dollars necessary, 3) literally kill and topple countries to manipulate the oil market to ensure the petrodollar system would continue to hold the world hostage.

>>509463087
>that crypto trick could ***potentially*** work
The entire market capitalisation of Bitcoin is only $2 trillion, you ignorant imbecile.
Apple’s market cap is $3.2 trillion, more than the value of the entire crypto “industry.”

>>509462939
The dollar went down by more than 10% in just 3 months,you lost trillions of the market and your enemies are now friends with those you though were friends, retard

>>509463509
>federal employees, which there are about 20 million

>>509460740 (OP)
deporting shitskins: priceless

>>509460740 (OP)
Who was president from 2020 to 2024 and what was the national debt on Jan 2025?

>>509460740 (OP)
Who cares, the USA will never go into default, Israel won't allow their host to die off

>>509460740 (OP)
I don't remember this being a concern to Democrats from January 2021-January 2025, and I also don't remember Democrats being concerned when Trump caved and did the COVID payments.

What I do remember were Democrats kvetching when Steve Mnuchin, Trump's first Treasury Secretary, wanted to require that COVID payments be repaid in the next tax season. This was another thing Trump cucked out on, and while we still would've had inflation it would not have been anywhere close to 9 and 6%.

>>509460740 (OP)
i am a midwit and mildly retarded, what does it matter if the deficit is 10 trillion or 100 trillion dollars seeing how all the money is fake.

>>509460835
we lost the election
but if you were one of the poors suckered into voting maga, you lost your medicaid
if you were one of his rural supporters, you probably lost your health care, period
maintaining healthcare infrastructure out in the boondocks was a source of waste, fraud, and abuse

>>509465044
Interest payments dumbfuck

>>509460858
>we won’t pay our debts we’ll just bomb you all
Would be cartoonishly evil if it wasn’t fucking retarded.

>>509460740 (OP)
US national debt is backed by their war potential, just nuke another country (Mexico please?)

>>509460858
If you don't pay your debts people will either never lend to you again or lend at absurdly high rates.

Also, most of the national debt is held by the US government and private wealth funds.

Retard.

>>509463509
There is no track that doesn't lead to hyperinflation. The government directly printing currency without going through a charade of bonds and interest rates might just be less expensive.

>>509460923
I'm surprised Singapore's debt is that high. I know their population is aging, as their women, just like ours, refuse to have kids. Perhaps that's a reason for the debt levels.

>>509465089
>but if you were one of the poors suckered into voting maga, you lost your medicaid
ONLY IF YOU ARE ABLE-BODIED AND DON'T WORK 20 HOURS OR MORE A WEEK, you lying fuck

>>509460740 (OP)
>>509465554
>>509465487
>>509465476
Serious question:
How has the national debt affected you or your loved ones?
>how does this tragedy affect you personally
Yeah, but seriously, how is any American citizen affected by the national debt. Why should I give a fuck?

>>509463087
Let's say the US bids up the price of bitcoin by buying as much as it can, that would be money going into the economy, causing inflation but also increasing US debt. But let's say they could somehow increase the price of bitcoin faster than they increase their debt, so they end up with like $100T in debt, and holding $100T in bitcoin. They then sell all their bitcoin, so that they can settle all of their debt. But selling all that bitcoin will be a rug pull that reduces its value.... so they need people buying into bitcoin to push up its price while they try and sell to pay off their debt... but the main thing that pushed up the price of bitcoin was their borrowing... so, you see, there is a problem here.... they would need a lot of bag holders.

>>509465453
I wish this fucking meme would die. It’s not. It’s backed by their ability to service that debt; hedged against future growth.
Nuking people and starting wars doesn’t make everyone want to buy your securities; it makes them want to dump them.

>>509460858
If people stop buying american bonds your country becomes Angola (even more so than today) within the week

>>509460740 (OP)
just don't pay the debt?

>>509463509
>The government technically can issue currency out of thin air, but that's a fast track to hyperinflation
Yes just like covid when they printed 14tn out of thin air and now fast food is 20 bucks for lunch

>>509465679
I sure hope you don't vote. You ever wonder why your dollar isn't worth shit? The more dollars there are the less they are worth. Not to mention the government has to pay interest on its bonds which it is rapidly becoming unable to do. The world reserve currency will stop being dollars in our lifetime thanks to geriatric boomer retards

>>509465554
I don't know about Singapore, but Japan was the first social state.
They spent a fortune on growing their population after the war, but then they ran out of room and stopped breeding.
Now they don't have the growth to pay off the massive debts accumulated over the years.
Singapore is probably worse.
What goes up, must come down.

>>509465251
Again, if all the money is fake, then what does it matter Abdullah?

>>509465713
No, it's true. The US can continue to have indefinite fiscal deficits so long as it controls the world economy. It's military dominance is a key part of what allows them to do that. For example, Russia and Iran try to sell raw resources outside of the US system, so they get sanctioned, and if they try to break the sanctions, then they get war.

If the US lost currency reserve status and was no longer the "global hegemon", then they would have severe difficulty maintaining their fiscal deficit and they would probably have to default (well, they would have defaulted before it got to that), but anyway, if the US were no longer number one then its debt would be much more risky.

>>509465941
>What goes up, must come down.
Whoa, no way! Did you just make that up?

>>509460740 (OP)
Honest question: who the fuck is gonna force the USA to pay up?

I hope the us collapses and goes to shit in my lifetime

>>509465629
and don't fill in the stacks of paperwork, or fill it incorrectly, or make a mistake somewhere, or don't submit it on time, or...

>>509460740 (OP)
So? We weren't going to pay it off at 30 Trillion, 20 Trillion, 16 Trillion...

>>509460835
came here to say this, hoes mad lol

Anyone catch this quietly announced demand by Europe to recover their gold the US has been "guarding" for them since the war? Tick tock mutts
https://unionrayo.com/en/gold-europe-recover-pressure-us/

>Goodbye to gold in the US – Germany, France, and the Netherlands pressure the United States to recover their gold reserves amid growing financial tensions
by Laura M. 07/01/2025 08:00

>>509466013
Russia and Iran are engaged in the largest sanctions dodging schemes on Earth. Neither are in an active state of war against the US military.
I’ve sailed to Punto Fijo - anchored there with the Black Fleet. The scale of sanction dodging isn’t a few rogue shoddy tankers - it’s a fucking armada of ships loading and transhipping oil at sea from refineries with gas flares blaring as far as the eye can see.
I didn’t see a single US ship there stopping any of it.

>>509460858
Clown

>>509463121
> vote
Kek

You need a hitler, a jewish expulsion and firing squads en masse.

> Voting.

Pfffttt hahahaha. What are you a child or a woman? That you don’t even see? Bet you don‘t even lift you fat american faggot.

>>509466072
The debt is mostly to ourselves. We'd be assblasting all of our own private industries with a nuke. Other countries would just stop using our money as the world reserve currency and drop us as a trading partner which would then double nigger nuke our country because our economy exists mostly outside our own damn country.
It's not a matter of getting us to pay up, it's a matter of making sure that other countries don't just tell us to fuck off. It's the main reason why we have the biggest military in the world and are constantly shitting on smaller countries while feeding them our money supply.

>>509460923
GDP is fake.
GDP amounts the "value" you create so if you have 3 parties buying from each other, you can actually earn unlimited GDP. this is a known loophole by economist since decades ago that inflate GDP number. and people should switch to "net" DP instead using "gross" DP
moreover, with the advent of AI, GDP will be much worthless because they can literally create "value" out of thin air and replicable by everyone

>>509463121
Absolutely not. Every single democrat is evil and must be purged from America if we want to be a free and prosperous nation again.

>>509466338
>Neither are in an active state of war against the US military.
Iran was and Russia is engaged with their proxy, but yes, they can't actually effectively enforce their sanctions

>>509465089
>Oh my God some meth head in a trailer park is losing their medicaid let's implement full blown communism immediately. We're going to have the Clintons run the whole thing trust us bro it will be fine.

>>509465629
>>509467085
until you are one of those who can't work due to medical condition for which you can no longer obtain treatment because you can't work
>i will never be that meth head in a trailer park
time will tell
many people are just one catastrophe away from hitting rock bottom, a layoff, a car accident

also it's the government
there will be people who lose care because of bureaucracy

>>509466304
You and what army lmao

>>509463509
>The government technically can issue currency out of thin air, but that's a fast track to hyperinflation.
The bond selling scheme is even dumber because not only are you still essentially "printing the money" and introducing it into the economy virtually the same way, now you owe interest which means EVEN MORE money introduced into the economy going straight upwards to the bond holders.

>>509460740 (OP)
The jewish economy is fake

>>509468412
Through the rube goldberg machine that is the healthcare marketplace....it applied for medicaid on my behalf. I dont qualify. Despite me cancelling, I was enrolled in my state medicaid anyway. Despite saying they would check my tax returns etc, they did not. I attempted to cancel Medicaid and they couldnt understand why I would want to cancel. I was stuck in endless transfer loops. I never used it, and I gave up and figured they would check my tax return. They never did. Renewal time comes around, and I dont send in the paperwork. Finally, they do cancel my Medicaid for "failure to submit renewal paperwork" Not because I didnt qualify, I never did and they never checked. The system is broken and people that dont qualify shouldnt have it...yet many do and given my experience they wont even check. Its absolute nonsense.

making more money on tariffs than every before

>>509460740 (OP)
so it's a kobeissi tweet that's quoting kalshi? got it.

>>509463087
We could have enough money to pay off the fed plus 25% interests and they'd find a way to turn the government down. Theyd probably even kill the president and any members of Congress that don't vote to somehow make paying the fed directly

WHO CARES....YOU'VE BEEN LIVING OFF A CREDIT CARD SINCE 1913

>>509465941
>What goes up, must come down.
No, the line must continue going up eternally even if we have to manipulate the rules

>>509462407
The vast majority of the US Debt is public debt, not foreign.

I don’t give a fuck, make it 100 trillion for lulz

Wasn't it "just" 16t or so when Obongo left office? It was probably baked in at that point but there's no way thig doesn't eventually end in hyperinflation.

Debt to who?

>>509465707
You aren't thinking big picture here
>Get bitcoin to be accepted as legal tender
>Do the pump scheme
>Federal reserve is forced to accept $100T in bitcoin as valid payment
>Instantly crashes in value after the pump scheme is over so doesn't even cause inflation

watch, listen how easy this is...."we're not going to pay it, it's fraud"...there that was easy, who wants to play some cribbage

>>509469705
That does not make it any better. Everyone wants their money back.

>>509469797
and for what

>>509469854
ya well people in hell want icewater but that don't mean they're gonna get it

>>509460740 (OP)
how can I profit from this

>>509463087
Even cheaper, go after the criminals or make deals with the buttcoin holders like the Dread pirate. It was easier then, a little harder now as the scale gets larger still less adoption than 20%. Which gives plenty a buffer to do some new basel accords or cryptodoller agreement. CBDC or stablecoin kinda sucks ass so we are probably going to hyperinflate before they do any real shit tho.

>>509460923
Horrid levels. 60% is the maximum you should accept

so democrats spending trillions to build infrastructure projects like high speed rail is evil socialism
but trump spending trillions on tax cuts for already wealthy billionaires is based and red-pilled
how is it even possible to CUT social safety nets CUT medicaid and at the same time ADD trillions in debt
it's just fucking retarded as fuck and makes no sense

>>509470736
>so democrats spending trillions to build infrastructure projects like high speed rail is evil socialism
Name one single thing from that infrastructure bill that actually got built apart from a few random stretches of highway getting repaved

>>509460740 (OP)
debt is not real bro

>>509469833
That wouldn't work.

>BTC as legal tender
How could you simultaneously have USD and BTC as legal tender when their values aren't directly linked?

>Federal reserve is forced to accept $100T in bitcoin as valid payment
The debt isn't held (entirely) by the fed, it's held by holders of US Treasuries.

>Instantly crashes in value after the pump scheme so doesn't cause inflation
But, that would be after the fed took it? So... this means the fed ends up being the bag holder?

The fed is like a magic ledger. It can magically create funds in the ledger so it can buy US Treasuries from Treasury holders... it has already done this in the past, they call it "open market operations" and it causes inflation. They currently hold about 16% of US govt debt.

So let's say they do more OMO and they take possession of US debt in exchange for new money that they hand out, stimulating demand for treasuries. This just creates inflation. It's a tool they already have, they don't need btc to do this. They did this during COVID, for example. They certainly will be doing this going forwards, because the US Govt continues to borrow much more than it can afford to. The Fed will just try to balance it so that they don't have to create more inflation than they need to.

>>509470736
I’m the most retarded, folks. Nobody’s more retarded than me. People come up to me all the time, they say, ‘Donald, how do you do it? How are you so retarded?’ And I tell them, it’s a gift. I was born with it. Some people have brains, I have... whatever this is. Tremendous, really.
We cut billions in funding for social programs and still added trillions to the debt. True story. People said, ‘Mr. Trump, that won’t work.’ But I did it anyway, because I’m a visionary. The social programs were gutted, the national debt increased, and you know what? Everyone was amazed. They said, ‘Only Trump could do that. The most retarded thing we’ve ever seen.’

Even Einstein - smart guy, but not as retarded as me - he would look at me and say, ‘Mr. Trump, you’re truly one of a kind.’ And I’d say, ‘Thank you, Einstein, but I already know.’ Nobody does retarded like me. Believe me."

Its called hyperinflation

20 trillion 20 yrs ago arent the same as 20 trillion today

>>509465089
After trying to kill off the entire human race through forced vaccines, you care about poors on medicaid, huh?