When Russia invaded Ukraine, I thought it'd be gg for Ukraine once Russia surely achieves air supremacy over it shock & awe-style and "muh insurgency" was cope, people like Eric Stryker were even calling it better than Desert Storm & that Russia's invasion will be studied in military schools for decades to come

How wrong was I. Not only did Ukrainians not have to succumb to an underground resistance, they're even invading Russia whenever they please, REKT russia's irreplaceable most important fleet forever (the surviving minority of it is docked & rusting away at Novokuznetsk since 2023) and is destroying russia's strategic bomber fleet as they please, all the while russian ICBMs explode in russian silos, and russia is forced to beg IRAN for tech (drones) & NORTH KOREA for troops and ammo (so inaccurate it's basically placebo and a greater danger for the barrels & the russian artillery crews themselves than for the ukrainians).
Additionally it must be noted that Russia lost almost ALL gains made in 2022 except for the total of 1 province (0.5 of Kherson province & 0.5 of Zaporizhzhia province) in the south that they DIDN'T EVEN CONQUER MILITARILY but got through treason of the regional governors in Kherson (retaken) and Zaporizhzhia who opened the southern border to russian troops stationed in crimea just like the jews opened the gates of Toledo for the arabs at night

This is hilariously weak performance. I'm beyond elated.
How TF is russia such a weak pathetic shithole?

Congratulations on the win, bro

>>509469314 (OP)
>How TF is russia such a weak pathetic shithole?
Fake it til you make it, comrade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YABvpyC0_FU

>>509469314 (OP)
Ukrainians had the strongest army in Europe (stronger than Russia at the start). So it's not really embarrassing for Russia to struggle against Ukraine.

>>509469314 (OP)
It's not Russia vs Ukraine it's Russia vs all of NATO
And they're still winning even while they fight with one hand behind their back.

>>509469314 (OP)
They had a retarded invasion plan and are still paying for it more than three years later. Now the only thing keeping them in the war is the fact their economy and possibly and the regime will collapse during demobilization. I think China is going to prop Russia up indefinitely since the war is no real bother to them and distracts the U.S.

>>509469595
Basically this. Since 2014 every western power provided Ukraine with top of the linrle tech and training.

It is a planned genocide of Christians.

How many times does it need to be explained?

The zionist Jews are genociding Christians for a settlement.

Why is it that I care more than you? I am a Muslim, am not a Christian.

Yet I care more about the lives of these people than you do.

Why is it that I care more about Palestinian Christians?

You think it is colors on a map. Children are dying. What do orphans mean to you?

The zionist Jews have made a bargain for your soul. This war does not need to exist.

>>509469906
Yeah, and nobody expected some stupid pig herder to fight back when fired upon so they ruined the whole master plan. And Putin counted on the west to keep up agreements and let him take Ukraine but they decided to send them weapons.

>>509469595
lol
their diet was only javelins & Polish T-72s from February to April 2022 when they did most of the work
hilarious assertion. thankfully i was blessed with an extraordinary memory

>>509469314 (OP)
Today, I will remind them... of the "2nd army in the world" blitzkrieg speed

>>509469906
>>509470091
kek'ing @ the cope
exquisite, zegroids, truly fine

Because Russoids are subhumans.

>>509470124
>Poletrash IQ
I'm joking.

>>509469314 (OP)
>>509470092
>>509470124
the PARADISUS IUDAEORUM, known only for being inhabited by poolish mischling kikes and NATO base zogbot shills, the PARADISUS IUDAEORUM

stinky status?

>>509469314 (OP)
Why are you worthless natofags so inept without us?

>>509470124
more poles have died than russians

>>509470380
pooptin is a Chabadnik, bruh

>>509470053

These may look like men to you but they are in fact pigs who feast on the blood of the innocent as the poor are sent to slaughter under force of law. If you want to understand why I have no issue with killing draft officers even with only a knife then you must understand how these two men make their money.

It is no hyperbole to describe these two as satanic, in league with Satan, but you will not understand how I feel about the zionist Jews until you believe this quite literally as I do. Until you see for yourself that this world is divided between people who serve Satan and people who struggle for God.

>>509469314 (OP)
Russia hasn't been around for 108 years. If what's left of it is told to job to Finland it will, if it's told to meatwave its path to Berlin it also will, if it's told to collapse into 15 states without a single shot, you know.

>>509469595
>strongest
Not strong enough to retake Crimea till this day lololololol

>>509469314 (OP)
Cool now that you've won go back to your coutry.

>>509469314 (OP)
>RUSSIA IS WINNING SLOWER THAN AN I THINK THEY SHOULD

>>509471193
>Russia hasn't been around for 108 years
russia before 108 years ago fared even worse lmao e.g. Crimean War, Russo-Japanese war, WW1. one big string of giant failures IN SPITE OF supposed reforms

>>509470118
> Second army in the world using only contractors (volunteers)
vs
> Fully mobilized Ukraine sending every male they can find to the meatgrinder, with NATO covering all equipment and financial need since almost day 1
Also
> What is a war of attrition?

>>509469314 (OP)
Why nafotroons are still coping by purposefully not understanding that its a war of attrition going on and ukraine is losing?

>>509473293
>>509472824
it's true that russia is winning, just in reverse

>>509473231
>using only contractors (volunteers)
proof? the "partial mobilization" decree from September 2022 hasn't been called off yet (it needs to be called off to end)

I guess it's going to be a Crimea summer for Ukraine by August, am I right?

>>509469314 (OP)
why so much seething, jfc. i mean what the fuck, why would you seethe so much, sitting somewhere in Poland, thinking how to make this retarded anti-russian thread and be so dishonest. How are you even comparing us with Ukraine, if we weren't in nato, it wouldn't take Russia one day to take over us. Then you wonder why are you in butthurt belt.

>>509474619
the way i see it, Nabiullina already announced the reserves are gone, pooptin quadruples down because there's really no way out for his regime now as he
>tied the shitty russian economy to the war so deeply that demobilization now would only mean a complete and instant bust of the russian economy, a bust of the combustion type that would see pooptin thrown out the window in a palace coup Romania-style (he's feared ending up like gaddhafi but his ending is gonna be more like Ceausescu, i.e. dying like a dog, like the faggotty feminine-voiced KGB's stooge dog that he never not once stopped being)
and the quadrupling down will only delay the inevitable, the war continues more or less like this (i.e. boring neverending stoooory) until ~2030 and pooptin either demobilizes slowly and pulls out of Ukraine including Crimea (the Crimean Bridge will eventually be permanently severed) and the regime and economy MIGHT survive Iran-style then OR he never demobilizes like the Soviets in Afghanistan and it's a repeat of the Soviet collapse and then... pooptin gets thrown out the window

when the options on the table are this bleak for putin, realize just how bleak it is for the average russian

>>509469314 (OP)
You know what's even funnier? when ziggers claim they are "fighting NATO and winning" when in reality they are fighting a country that is much smaller, and with far less population with some NATO equipment.

It's laughable to think what would happen if they actually were fighting NATO.

lol, lmao.

>>509474510
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

>>509475028
not just "some NATO equipment" it's literally some NATO hand-me-downs from Dead Nigger Storage lmao
literally zero cost for NATO, the "cost" that is accounted by NATO is literally just the cost of producing NEW state-of-the-art weaponry, the cost of NATO's re-militarization back to Cold War levels

that's the way you do it, moooney for nothing and the chicks for free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0

>>509475070
you have zero counter-arguments and your entire worldview collapsed in 2022, the only one coping is you:
>>509474966

Zelensky is busy snorting cocaine off a prime escort's tits right now - IN KYIV. hahaha. like a boss. meanwhile pooptin is hiding in a bunker because he doesn't want to get thrown out the window, but he will be still--that's the true measure of his failure.

>>509475226
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

>>509475269
shit, i got the zigbot to short-circuit. kek
Poland together with Ukraine also blew out both of the Nord Streams at once, btw

>>509474546
> proof?
Corroborated by every Western media outlet. Find a single one (1) that states otherwise
> "partial mobilization" decree from September 2022
Yes, it was the case at the start of the war - not today
> (it needs to be called off to end)
That's not how it works - the fact that the decree wasn't called off means the Russian government reserves the right to another mobilization wave, not that it actually happens.
The Russian government is forced to rely on contractors specifically because the 2022 wave caused a lot of unrest in cities. Contractor deaths don't exactly cause political uproars since they are volunteers

>>509475420
>Corroborated by every Western media outlet. Find a single one (1) that states otherwise
that's some weak sauce proof m8, you gotta work harder on those proofs, vadim

>>509473098
>fared even worse lmao
It briefly made the world better by removing Poland.

>Crimean War
If anything this is a failure on the part of the 3 empires that ganged up on Russia but ended up abandoning Crimea itself after getting minor concessions that the same tsar ended up recovering with a bonus a couple of decades later. Would've reclaimed Constantinople for Christianity then and there too, but y'know, *nglos.
Despite the name, the war also had Caucasian, Baltic and Far Eastern fronts on which *nglos had no success whatsoever. Funniest part is that the British admiral ACK-ing himself right before the siege of Petropavlovsk.
>IN SPITE OF supposed reforms
The reforms only came with Alexander II, Nicholas was known to be a reactionary boomer.

>Russo-Japanese war
Completely outmatched by the more modern fleets of a rising naval power again supported by *nglos. Land campaigns were much more interesting and promising but transporting troops and supplies 7000km in the pre-powered-flight era was a major undertaking and by the time the logistics got more or less organized the very tensions that had caused Nicholas II to go to war in the first place have burst open in the form of the 1905 revolution which shifted the priorities away from Korea.

>WW1
What reforms worth noting had been made before WW1 again? At the time Russia was catching up industry-wise. Once the war started, it was cut off from the "allies" with whom it had major contracts, and had to fend on its own. The only reason it didn't win WW1 was Lenin literally throwing the fight to focus on his gommunism asap.


Not going to delve into these into any more detail because I'd already spent too much time explaining the basics. If you know, you know.

>>509475419
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

>>509469314 (OP)

Their military is shit because it's compromised by stupid leadership. Novorussia militant groups that made huge gains at the beginning were destroyed by FSB, Prigozhin killed because Wagner success and popularity embarrassed the military.

Russian army on its own is a complete joke on its own

>>509475493
literally tldr, sorry ivan
i rate 10 for effort tho, might even call you Ivanhoe with a capital I for the effort
happy to hear that or sorry that it happened tho

>>509475443
You haven't shown any proof that mobilization waves happen today, so I can just say the same thing about your argument
It took me one google search desu. Even Radio Free Europe (staunchly anti-Putin since forever) states this

>>509475538
it's not stupid leadership, it's literally Communist leadership. the KGB
it's by design m8. any semblance of private initiative is to be UNISHTOZHEN

>>509475562
>literally tldr, sorry ivan
That much is a given. Knowledge can be scary when you're a dimwit living off tiktok. It was mostly intended as a blanket response from all the others itt who know just how ridiculous that post is but don't have the time to go over all the wrongs in it.

>>509469314 (OP)
1) Putin's initial plan was retarded in a sense that u can enter same river twice. U can't just repeat Crimea again

2) Still after initial invasion Russia took a lot of land and since fast breakthrough had only partial success u need plan B

3) Putin had no plan B, he just waited when his 200k russian troops occupy 40 million country supplied by a billion westoids
4) ohh no, after 7 months of inevitable ukrainian draft they're ready to attack territories that are held by scarce DNR/LPR forces that are overwhelmed

5) mobilization

Putin only stopped being retard in 2024 I guess, his frustration and late reaction is what made army ineffective. Another reason why he was a retard that population wasn't ready for a war, and felt sorry for hohols. Still I'm sure if only he called for 100k reservists at spring 2022, we would've now Harkov oblast and 25-30% of all Ukraine.

>>509475493
To be honest, its one of the more interesting alt-history scenarios that what if the Tsardom managed to hold out just a year more to sit at the winners table after WW1. Although, the bolsheviks somehow coming to power and and managing to hold it against a global intervention force and one by one betraying everyone, mensheviks, greens, blacks, etc. in itself feels like a ludicrously implausible alt-history scenario.

>>509475599
They are mindbroken, retreating ever further into their cope chamber where ukraine and trans rights won and lived victoriously ever after. Its like, you gave internet to Japan in 1945

>>509475599
>Russian officials say
fun fact - German officials in WW2 claimed that over 1 million Germans took part in the Nazi colonization program by early 1944, in reality that figure did not exceed 300-350k

>>509469314 (OP)
The initial invasion was definetly a fuck up of epic proportions, sending 200k troops and hoping for the best has really cost them, in hindsight whoever made that call was delusional

>>509469314 (OP)
>1 million losses
>get half of your vital oil and gas infrastructure destroyed
>deplete 80 years worth of military stockpiles
>destroy all the goodwill you built over 30 years with the west
>capture 20% of ukraine (most of which rubble due to fighting)
lol what an absolutely miserable shithole

>>509475765
> retreating ever further into their cope chamber where ukraine and trans rights won
Nigger I am posting pro-Russian replies, what are you yapping about?

>>509475825
Try understanding english, paco.

>>509475693
you selectively read my posts, i just know that, so no respect nor attention for you. sorry. off into the trench you go now, HIVAN

>>509475822
>20%
it's 17%, half of which is 2014 gains

>>509475807
> Russian officials say
Ok, so you ignored the links that do not rely on Russian gov data, because that doesn't fit your narrative.
Like the RBC-Ukraine link that relies on...The Ukrainian General Staff

>>509469314 (OP)
Russia is fighting all of the west combined in this proxy war. If the west had given ukraine zero money or weapons or nothing, then ukraine would surely have fallen almost immediately.

>>509475822
> 1 million losses
1 million casualties - the majority of casualties in any war are not deaths
>destroy all the goodwill you built over 30 years with the west
LMAO "muh good will"
What are you, 15?

>>509475820
Russia still won most of battles like Mariupol with these forces

The problem is that there wasn't any backup for them until autumn. Putin was a retard, same as Shoigu and others. Had we call for 150k reservists in spring, war would've been over by now unironically

>>509475861
Oh you mean I am diving into their cope. Yeah, the pol-acks arguments are dumb

>>509475820
>sending 200k troops and hoping for the best has really cost them
the point was in the element of surprise, massing up 600k troops on the Ukraine-Russia and Ukraine-Belarus border would take too long with Russian Railways & would be too obvious, remember Ukraine was denying reality up until Feb 21-24, 2022, Zelensky was even telling the US off in January 2022 that they were needlessly demonizing Russia and stirring up panic with negative consequences for... the Ukrainian stock market. KEK

>>509475765
I figure the Whites would've had much more support to lean on in this scenario. Maybe we would've ended up with a constitutional monarchy propped up by the military (notably the same generals and admirals who ended up in positions of power during the Civil war).
What I'd also be curious is whether they would've had a chance to properly industrialize before WW2 broke out. Bolsheviks did major strides in that regard but not before having demolished much of their predecessors' accomplishments.

The major pivotal point in history came a few decades prior before WW1, when Austria-Hungary pushed Germany to cut ties with Russia over Balkans (that they'd end up losing anyway), pushing it towards siding with the Entente. Imagine WW1 but with Russia on the Germans' side. Near endless resources, major manpower increase, literally no Eastern Front, unbroken supply line from the Far East to the Western Front. Germany winning WW1 would mean no communism and no WW2 in the sense that we know it. Just one nation changing sides would've led to a completely different future, it's mindboggling.

>>509476026
The reason Russia only invaded with 200k troops is because they hoped to repeat the scenario of the Georgia war.
Russia invaded Georgia quickly, and drove close to Tbilisi. The Georgian government shat their pants and signed a ceasefire, agreeing to nearly all Russian demands. This war happened days after the NATO summit where they said they wanted Georgia in NATO

Russia was hoping that the Ukrainian government would also buy the half-bluff, but they didn't.

>>509475971
"had you call" for vodka instead of methanol-contaminated moonshine, i mean yuor parents ivan, back in the 1980s USSR, maybe you wasnt be so stoopid
go watch Gruz 200, your favorite russian director made it, it's about you, all of youse

>>509475863
>you selectively read my posts
Prior to replying I've only read one. It is now obvious that reading the others isn't worth it.

>>509475962
>ummm its not a loss, it's a casualty! that man that lost 3 limbs isn't actually lost to the war effort!
cope
>muh good will
they could've enjoyed free trade and all the benefits that come with europeans paying their oil and gas very well, the thing they need to keep their economy going and what allowed them to grow as a country for the past 20 years.
now they're forced to sell to india and china that pay half of what europe did.
even if the war ended tomorrow it will be another 2 decades before the west starts trading with russia again.

>>509476140
russia failed in the georgia war utterly tho, so much so that in the typically russian pattern it resulted in the Serdyukov reforms & then the firing of Serdyukov and replacing him with no one else than our hero Shoigu when the reforms got too serious and too good xD

>>509476268
>509476140
btw, spicflag, that you don't even know these things shows you're either a russian vpn GPT bot OR just a retarded troll coming up with bullshit on the fly, regardless further discussion with you is pointless

>>509475971
The overall initial strategy was simply terrible, I also think that the war would have been over with full commitment from the beginning, cant fight wars half assed, maybe it can work against small countries like Georgia but not against a country with hundreds of thousands of soldiers and several armies worth of military equipment from like 30 different states trickling in
>>509476026
Whatever the point was it was a terrible plan, they could have used the element of suprise and then mass up 600k more troops in quick succession but they didn't because of shitty logistics and very lackluster decision making from Putins government

>>509469314 (OP)
Russia pussyfooted the first 2 weeks unironically, if one looks at it from the perspective of two states in armed conflict. But this is not a war between nation states, this is not political, this is a private company and equity war, national political armies are just pro forma the executing parties.
>Lost all gains
Overlay a primary resource map to the territory that is held - then research who the owners are and who has tried to acquire it between 2009 and 2021.

This was never a war between Russia and Ukraine; Putin was honest calling it a "special military operation" for certain international corporate interests against other international corporate interests.

The murdering of Mr. P. made that clear

>>509476331
>they could have used the element of suprise and then mass up 600k more troops in quick succession
they literally couldn't and can't, they can't be quick, they can't be strong
you think they didn't want to, or don't? they would if they could
the entire point is russia is WEAK, it's a shithole that has ALWAYS been like this, ahahahaha
in the Crimean War the British and French fleets literally swam all the way across the Mediterranean and landed point blank at Crimea in a brute-force way and... and they fucking won xD because of the utter state of russia, russian logistics, russian organization, russian everything. they fuckking SUCK

>>509476331
they couldnt keep the 200k men and vehicles supplied as it was, remember the tank columns stuck on the highways and paratroopers left to die at the airport.
it's not enough to have lots of men you also have to feed them and refuel their vehicles so they keep moving, russia didnt have these capabilities back then and it doesn't have them now.

>>509475916
>if our enemy had no allies we would've won!!
gg ez, rip in piss bozos

>>509476119
"bolsheviks industrializing the Soviet Union" is one of the most enduring false memes about history. The explosive growth of industrialization already began in the late 1800s. The industrialization happened DESPITE and not because of stalin and his regular purging of the skilled middle class labor. For example, imagine if Sergei Korolev wasnt imprisoned for six years for nothing.

>>509476375
They got to Kiev right in the first week and they were ready to accept terms, until boris johnson flied in and told them to fight to the last ukranian. Then they pulled back and went with plan B, a long war of attrition until western attention, support, money and arms shipments run out. Which is already happening and ukraine is struggling to survive. They just have to keep up the pressure, which they are able to, indefinitely. The outcome is inevitable, as no credible western leader wants to send in boots on the ground to turn it around.

>>509476375
>But this is not a war between nation states, this is not political, this is a private company and equity war, national political armies are just pro forma the executing parties.
>muh if it's not total war then it's not war
this is literally how 99% of wars in history have ever looked like, you dumb austrian yokel

Vladimir Volkoff who wrote the superb book "The Set-Up" (L'Montage in the original French) about how the KGB precisely operates or rather, how it imagines itself (very illustrating as per the KGB's real goals, though) put it nicely, that the real enlightening came to him on assignment in Algeria during the Algerian War when he realized more was happening behind closed doors than on the battlefield

>>509476500
Checked, yeah ofcourse, thats why its a leadership and planning question as I mentioned, logistics is literally the most important part of warfare after having will to fight a war. I dont buy that they dont have the capability though, they have 800k troops on the ground in Ukraine right now and there are no catastrophic fuck ups like the Kiev assault and Kharkiv thunder runs when russians retreated from hundreds or even thousands of square km of clay in a matter of days or weeks

>>509476268
My brother in Christ, wtf are you talking about. The war lasted literal DAYS, Russia occupies South Ossetia and Abkhazia to this day, and the Georgian government had to sign agreements to stay militarily neutral. What is this giga cope?

>>509476316
> spicflag
American detected btw. Spics are mixoids from south america (your favorite import)

>>509476420
>in the Crimean War
nigger defends tatars and ottoman empire...
glowy af

>>509476779
The amount of cope in this thread is insane. The polack retard claimed Russia lost the Russo-Georgian war LMAO

People have so gotten used to bullying sandniggers in the desert that they've forgotten what an asymmetrical war looks like

>>509476566
>The explosive growth of industrialization already began in the late 1800s.
it was so explosive russia ran out of ammo in 6 months and never recovered and was in full famine conditions by mid-1915
the soviet industrialization is all America, too, and in fact stalin is responsible, in man-made famine conditions (Holodomor) he was literally trading grain to the Dust Bowl-stricken U.S. in exchange for U.S. expertise, patents and jobs for U.S. workers who literally arrived on the spot all the way from across the ocean and built entire sets of factories, whole industrial complexes modeled 1:1 from pre-existing U.S. factories and industrial complexes, for Stalin, themselves

>>509476745
Russia has occupied these parts of Georgia since forever (1991-1992) you fucking retard

>>509469595
Before the war Ukraine was the poorest country in Europe. Russia should have steamrolled Ukraine.

>>509476837
this unemployed spanish subhuman thinks russia "conquered" these parts of georgia in 2008
i'd kill myself if i was this ignorant AND proud
they did that KGB-driven separatist shtick with Georgia first and it happened in the early 90s

>>509476915
No they didn't you absolute spastic. There was no occupation before 2008 when Russia invaded. In 1990s Russia had political influence and some support for the groups, never fully occupying any of the regions, you illiterate amerishart polack larper

Can't believe it's already been years, but watching the very first clips/webms of the war here come in was so unreal

>Russians knocking on people's home asking for gas and or food
>No drones yet, lots of armored combat
>Massive land grabs from both parties in the beginning

Now it's a drone turkey shoot with gruesome footage and a total stalemate
Hope this ends soon

>>509476566
The Soviets did a major campaign to boost literacy rates, it's still one of the highest in the world, I'd give them that. Plus, they were very effective at propaganda in general, making commonfolk much more motivated. 5 year plan in 3 years and all that.
But then again this only happened after a decade of utter devastation.
Conversely, Tsarist Russia was developing slowly but steadily. This is, indeed, seldom mentioned. Reading and hearing historical accounts of people born into peasant families starting their own businesses and even opening factories has been eye-opening.
As a final counterpoint to that, working conditions in factories around the world at the time were completely inhumane. Wasn't it the fear of communism spreading that forced the capitalists to tone it down and give workers more rights? For all the evil deeds that communism is responsible for, now that it's gone the oligarchs/billionaires are back to exploiting the masses unimpeded.

>509476887
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

Just send the bots on their way with a copypasta that riles them up because they cannot answer it. Not even giving a (You) for "engagement metrics"

>>509476946
And thanks to your intervention, you got to spend hundreds of billions of dollars before the same result is eventually achieved, Congratulations.

>>509476837
Its most likely a hohol in poland.

>>509476958
> i'd kill myself if i was this ignorant AND proud
I'd kill myself if I was an amerimutt pretending to be polish LUL

>>509476995
>these little green men are not us, russian soldiers? they are not there!
ok, got it, you're not an ignorant spic, you're a full-time zigger shill. kill yourself ivan

>>509477037
i'd kill myself if i was a zigbot pretending to be a spic LUL

>>509469314 (OP)
low iq post if russia wanted to flatten it they could obviously they want to rule it after

>>509477014
you messed up linking to my post, here, i'll help you out: >>509476887

>>509477047
> Little green men
> In Georgia before 2008
You are a fucking retard and doing a poor job at pretending otherwise
When is the next NAFO gay party, Kyyyyiiiiiv-sister?

>>509476566
European and US involvement is just limited to public funds extorted out by corporate interests in those administrations and political organizations. The Ukrainian army is not the armed force of a nation state, but an international paramilitary controlled by Swizz, US, UK and French companies and the Russian army is not the armed force of the Russian Federation.
>>509476687
>Wars have always been fought about resources
true
>Wars were always initiated and managed by international corporate groups
no. That started with Vietnam.

>>509477101
actual-low-IQ-bogan bro, don't check out how mariinka looks now

>>509476837
Abkhazia became a buffer state between georgia and russia. south ossetia still waiting since 90's to reunite with north ossetia a become united alanian state. mayor of tbilisi neutral, new president of georgia neutral

>>509477067
How is the weather in New York, 53 percenter?

>>509477159
>31 posts by this id
lmao okay glowie

>>509477155
>no. That started with Vietnam.
didn't a certain prominent austrian "conspiratard" (actual fed) imply the jews started WW1 and stabbed poor germany in the back?

>>509477101
no, they want to get the best deal to have the mineral rights on cobalt and lithium mines change from Swizz, French, UK and US corporate groups to Russian, Chinese, Turkish and Central Asian ones.

Technically those are still UK, French, Swizz and US

>>509476915
>occupied
Abkhazians and ossetians people started killing georgians way before 90's. literally free europe propaganda.

>>509477174
Saakashvili and his party only lost in the 2012 election, after winning the 2010 election, due to an economic crisis and the KGB operative, the oligarch Bidzina Ivanishvili. this has nothing to do with the war in which essentially a country without an army stopped your tanks which were en route to Tbilisi, Ukraine-style. it was an even worse humiliation than Ukraine tbf but Merkel pressing on Murica & the DNC to do the Russia Reset saved your face (and ass)

>>509477011
Nah, they were not really afraid of any ideological communism, the various industrial unions were repeatedly crushed everywhere again and again. Living standards simply rose through the entirety of the 1800s and first half of the 1900s and the public, especially the growing middle class were less and less accepting of the slave labor, which was less and less required in turn, due to growing mechanization and infrastructure. This is true to the entirety of the western world. Same with literacy, entry into the middle class, being clerks, shopkeepers etc. simply required it as the old peasant ways of life and Victorian industrial hellholes went away. In fact, the whole process went so well that by post-WW2 times, marxism in its original form completely died out in the west, as there were no longer workers wishing to be "liberated", so their attention turned to the third world and decolonization, and bizarre frankfurt school shit that eventually turned into cultural marxism and tranny liberation.,


>509477123
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

Just send the bots on their way with a copypasta that riles them up because they cannot answer it. Not even giving a (You) for "engagement metrics"

Haha, I knew that the lack of (You)s will get it kvetching. Must be paid by replies.

>>509477155
Shizo ramble.

>>509477282
gee, i wonder who was radicalizing AND sponsoring AND arming these totally organic separatists kek

>>509477322
Russia is so over.....

>>509469314 (OP)
You mean, Ukraine is winning after all?That makes me so happy.

>>509477324
>shizo
lol, another zigbot detected
schizo in Hungarian is literally "skizo"
it's only "shizo" in russian

>>509477211
If you count the banker wars post Napoleon, okay, but those were funded by corporate interests and fought out of national interests, mostly expanding of controlled territory to increase control over populations. This is the reverse scheme, public funds finance the wars of corporate interests and it started with Vietnam and Lindon B. Johnsons wife

>>509477322
Man, the sheer level of coping and memoryholing is through the roof. Go eat a necktie or something.

>509477442
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

Just send the bots on their way with a copypasta that riles them up because they cannot answer it. Not even giving a (You) for "engagement metrics"

>>509477459
>facts laid out in a chronological manner
>coping
"kill yourself" by getting thrown out the window, bucko

>>509477322
>Merkel pressing on Murica & the DNC to do the Russia Reset saved your face (and ass)
now show me occupied regions of georgia by russians in 2008.
spoiler it wasnt just abkhazia and south ossetia

>>509477519
>t. literal rusnigger on the unbannable kremlin VPN without openly available info on the used IP ranges, assigned a Hungarian location for today
ok "shizo"

>>509477360
nigga those churkas wer cutting each other way before Catherine took them in Russian Empire

>>509477522
>delulu belter opinion
>facts
Those are two different things actually.

>>509477620
what's churkas? i don't speak nigger
no human here speaks your nigger tongue

Catherine was German btw
Dzierżyński was Polish
both killed more ruschinks than any outsider & you still have statues honoring them and places named after them KEK

>>509477677
>mad georgian churka detected

>>509477741
are you paid per post or just generally deranged?

>509477607
What do you gain by claiming that Russia is not winning, when they obviously are? What sort of bizarre coping is this? What are you even hoping to achieve?

Just send the bots on their way with a copypasta that riles them up because they cannot answer it. Not even giving a (You) for "engagement metrics"

>>509477849
you're the one who the zigbot called a "shizo" so don't ask me
refer to game theory - this is my thread and it is in my interest for this thread to remain bumped at all times, and yes newfag, you totally can bump your own thread, there's only a 5-minute cooldown before your next post in your own thread will bump it

The thing to understand about Russia is that its huge size explains a lot about what it is.
Imagine a nation like a brain - the cities are like lobes, they aggregate neurons, which could be thought of as companies, or institutions or departments, but could also be the citizens. The brain works by carrying information all around, inhibiting some thoughts, stimulating others, etc, essentially it is a distributed network made of many tiny particles that fire off at high frequency, producing competing narratives and intentions that are coherent. Russia is sparsely populated, so instead of working like a network, Russia is more like patient with Parkinson's. The brain tells the legs to move, but they just jerk.

Russia has only 2 major hubs, which are St. Petersburg and Moscow. If you look at the map, you see that highways and roads are centralized in Moscow - instead of a dense mesh, there a radiating pattern. That is the other aspect of Russia. Since it cannot function in a distributed manner, it needs, or rather it is more naturally prone to have, a dependence on a few centers of power, and consequently, on a central government, or even a central figure. Russia has never really had a functioning democracy. Of course, this is both consequence and cause.

This helps to explain why Russia does some things badly, like fighting wars. Russia was never good at fighting wars, they tended to lose all conflicts, at least since the rise of industrial warfare, starting with the conflict with Japan in the early 1900s.

But more importantly, and more fundamentally, Russia does not have the characteristics of a collectively aware society. Due to its geography, it cannot get the nation on the same page. It cannot even ever get an informed picture of the world outside of it and of itself. Thus, it is prone to conspiratorial thinking in its elites and population (classical symptom: they still think Britain is running the world), and it cannot correctly measure its own capabilities.

>>509478110
>this is my thread
lol
>The Hungarian
Its not a zigger its a chang

>>509475962
This is the most pathetic post I have ever seen

>>509478417
>Russia was never good at fighting wars, they tended to lose all conflicts
the expert in /here/

>>509476566
Thus belief that Russia is bound to win in attritional warfare is another symptom of the delusions that pervade Russian power centers. Just consider the fact that Soviet politicians, right up to at least the middle of the 20th century, still believed that communism works. This is proof enough of the pathologic state of their elites. And in order to hold this big empire together, they disseminated this delusion in the western world, so that they would receive external validation. In reality, Russia really is just as economically powerful as any European mid tier nation. Their advantages are their population and their oil revenue, but that alone is not enough to win a war of attrition where Europe, which as a whole dwarfs the Russian economy, backs the other side, especially in this day and age where technology is a multiplier of human meat.

Once again, I am not a bot, or Russian.
Ask any REAL Ukrainian, that LIVES in Ukraine, their opinion on the war. End of story.
Russia won

>>509478893
Russia hasn't had any military successes in the 20th century apart from WWII, where they fought disastrously, were routinely wiped out, and only managed to win, if we can call it that, at the cost of millions of lives, brutal treatment of their enemies, and of course massive deliveries of weapons, food, and other items from the USA. Russia has used this single conflict, and the territorial gains that were given to it by the USA after the war for God knows what reason, and which it could not hold, to build a false image. And it used its oil revenue to corrupt its neighbors, attempting to mimic something like "projecting power". As we now see, Russia can't fight, its weapons are worthless, and its power projection crumbles when it is put to the test.

>>509469314 (OP)
NATO gives Ukraine a huge intelligence advantage but a firepower disadvantage. So they succeed at defense and meme attacks but can't dislodge the Russians from fixed positions.

>>509479179
>unlike you i, john mcburger from indiana oblast, really know what's up with regular ukrainian people and they assured me that ukraine lost and are ready to surrender
die screaming (in ukraine)

>>509477263
There is no lithium or cobolt in ukraine you fucking retard

>>509479968
lol, NATO decides when and how this war ends, boyo

Absolutely hilarious how this thread looks identical to RU-UA /pol/ threads from 2022, and 2023, and 2024
Won't be surprised if in 2027 rusniggers and hohlopigs will still be running the mince meat machine in Donbas (selo pizdosraiivka of 500 people) 10 km away from the current frontline

>>509480425
>Won't be surprised if in 2027 rusniggers and hohlopigs will still be running the mince meat machine in Donbas (selo pizdosraiivka of 500 people) 10 km away from the current frontline
that's precisely how this war is gonna be until the very end circa 2030 LMAO
thats whats hilarious, thx for finally getting it

>509479059
This copypasta is so stupid. Its not even new cope, it keeps getting reposted since 2022.

Not even getting a (You)

>>509480637
^"shizo" rambling

>>509480587
Russia doesn’t have money to run that war in 2027

>>509482867
russians won't have any money by 2027, russia will xD

>>509469686
NATO K/D????????

>>509469314 (OP)
>Russia can nuke Kiev and a couple other cities easily since day 1
>Even without nukes Russia can firebomb and raze cities with bombers since day 1, as they had air superiority from the beginning
Why don't they do it? FOUR reasons.
1) Ukraine is their neighbor and has Russian people living in it for a large majority of the population. Propaganda aside, they ALL speak Russian. Nuking and firebombing would turn them into definitive enemies, and their relatives inside russia into enemies too
2) Nuking and firebombing would make Russia politically unsupportable even by China and Iran, because the west is still the strongest economic and military force in the world.
3) Modern weaponry makes things like tanks and helicopters obsolete. This is like the beginning of WW1 where obsolete armies would get obliterated by the millions when they tried to push. Ironically the Russian empire invented Blitzkrieg in ww1, believe it or not.
4) The west would definitely have political ammo to launch an anti-russia operation at high cost

So "weak" is not right. They're failing because they have to rely on tanks and infantry and proper "war conduct" vs modern western weaponry, intelligence, political pressure, economic pressure, resource control etc.
Western military instructors have been training the ukrainians to use modern weaponry since 2014 and arming them since then too. Russia's biggest fault is being too cautious and not nuking and razing the place in 2014-2015 when Ukraine started trying to bomb Donbass and the west wasn't ready to back them up before it was too late. They grossly underestimated how portable critical modern weaponry is too

>>509483496
>as they had air superiority from the beginning
false, they failed to achieve it because "their" own soviet production air defenses proved to be stronger than their own soviet production aircraft and missiles KEK

>>509479397
Based porto telling it like it is.

>>509476566
Now this is just blatantly wrong. Any civil engineer with a basic knowledge of history is still amazed at what the soviets did. It was soviet engineer teams educated by the soviet schooling system which brought concrete fabrication and electrification all the way through Syberia. They caught up and exceeded western infrastructure at the time in extremely adverse conditions, starting from a totally backward country that only industrialized the western parts by following european development principles of the time.

There is a basic proof of this: TODAY 80% of Russians own their homes. All of these prefab buildings are soviet-built. So today the west STILL can't compete with the soviets' use of technology for the benefit of the population at large. Factually and demonstrably. And i'm not a fan of the soviets at all, but i must recognize their accomplishments. China today has similar accomplishments. In fact China was too greedy and bankrupted itself, proving communism cannot work as a truly stable system. Not that it cannot accomplish great things though.
The soviet union went bankrupt because they poured way too many resources in... guess what... social policies while having an inherently wasteful and dysfunctional system.

>>509483873
dude, manpads are not "soviet"
Russia relied on cold war air to ground power projection, helicopters, but helicopters are completely neutralized by manpads. High altitude bombers are immune. They can raze Ukrainian cities at any time since the conflict. They obviously want the Russians to use their last resources to nuke Ukraine or high altitude firebomb the place into nothingness to earn the political capital to invade Ukraine themselves. Why do you think the Ukrainians used a Mossad plan to attack russian bombers, the exact same strategy they implemented in Iran soon after? Their best hope is a repeat of WW2, with Germans "liberating" Ukraine while moving to Moscow. Europe and America want nothing better than to expend Polish lives and other "less valuable" NATO lives to completely break Russia apart and steal its resources. They would already have done so if not for Orban and Slovakia and a few others figuring out the plan and opting out, which only happened because Europe in its greed has impoverished Eastern Europe to keep their 1st world wealth.

>Russians keep advancing and bombing the shit out of Oinkraine

>Queef literaly on fire as we speak

>Somehow i'm supposed to believe some cope and fantasies from a polish nafo troon

Most of what Russia currently holds was taken during either in 2014 or in the first few days of the invasion. They have barely advanced in 3 years, all while taking casualties that would make Luigi Cadorna blush. It is objectively a complete disaster for russian armed forces.

>>509469595
Hahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhaha this has to be dumbest thing I've read here, ever. Go to plebbit or something you stupid cunt and never come back here

>>509487050
>>Russians keep advancing and bombing the shit out of Oinkraine
>>Queef literaly on fire as we speak
Ukraine obviously isn't winning but how is what you described different from February and March 2022? You know, when Russian forces were literally right outside the capital of Ukraine

>>509469314 (OP)
hope they rape you again.