When did left-wing politics in the West shift focus from class, economics, and collective/social issues to centering more on identity, the individual, and the self? I’m guessing this transition began in the 1970s, as people started to think about themselves in more individualized and individualistic terms, something that seems at odds with traditional leftist values

>>509511569 (OP)
bump

Leftists and liberals, while often conflated by the right wing, are two different groups of people. Leftists tend to emphasize the class struggle as an intersectional axis of oppression while liberals tend to emphasize identity politics at the expense of class issues.

>>509511569 (OP)
unironically trump. you had your anarcho-leftist types back in the 60s, but they were the minority and just vocal on campuses.

>>509511569 (OP)
Buck broken by the CIA

Everyone is too poor or overworked for that nonsense OP

>>509511569 (OP)
1991 when the USSR went under. Their elites stopped receiving funds so bankers bought them out to keep them quiet. So now all discussion about wages or retirement age has been hijacked by trannis and climate change

>>509511569 (OP)

>>509511569 (OP)
Lurk 2 years before posting newfag
https://youtu.be/yErKTVdETpw?si=46lSLD6hfQz8QF-r

>>509511569 (OP)
sauce?

>>509513554
Lol no. The 60's leftists became radical individualists in the 70's and 80's. They voted for Regan and Thatcher.

I'm assuming you're very young.

The shift in academia is fairly well documented. I'm interested Ilin how this process worked with real people (academics always overestimate their influence)

>>509511569 (OP)
They literally are about that, Mamdami wants to tax millionaires, make it illegal to be a billionaire, give working class free stuff to an absurd degree, you might really like his platform OP, check it out.

>>509511569 (OP)
1973

>>509511569 (OP)
Both parties were hijacked and formed into perfect controlled opposition. Lefties actively campaign for less freedoms, and righties actively campaign for more government control. Somewhere in the 1970s it became a big game of heads I win, tails you lose.
Captcha: TTDDT

>>509514689
Oh fuck off with this tired, idealist bullshit. Ideologies spring from people's material conditions. Communism/socialism/anarchism stemmed from the industrial revolutions, from mass throngs of people being forced into close proximity where they worked and where they lived . Likewise when westerners moved away from heavy industry into much more individualised, individualistic and atomised lives their ideologies changed. Shadowy foreign agents had very little to do with it.

May 1968 which was a movement of hippie faggot boomers

The Teacher rejoices when collective labor is possible. Rejection of collective labor is ignorance. Only a lofty individuality finds within itself the measure of collective concepts. So long as the personality fears collective work, it is not yet individualized; it still remains in the stifling atmosphere of selfhood. Only true discernment of the indestructibility of freedom permits adherence to collective labor. Only through such true mutual respect can we attain the realization of harmonious labor—in other words, attain active good. In this good is kindled the fire of the heart; hence each manifestation of harmonious labor is so joyous. Such labor augments the psychic energy unusually. Let the work be carried out at least in short united labor; even if for brief periods at first, it must be in complete accord and intent upon success. In the beginning, fatigue because of disunity is unavoidable, but later the coordinated collective force will multiply the energy tenfold. Thus, even in small nuclei one can thrust forward the prototype of world progress.

https://youtu.be/zBp7KBmgsdU

>>509514969
They have literally fragmented into race, sexuality, gender, etc etc.
They literally replaced class with "intersectionality".
Voting in anew york mayor with vague ideas of wealth redistribution kiterally doesn't mean much

>>509511569 (OP)
OWS for the plebs. For any liberal who dared to oppose obsessively toeing the line and the complete ideological shift got purged.

>>509513755
/thread
in the western nations
the left has become subverted by the glowniggers, to create a sense of ridiculous oposition in matter that are individualistic and none economical or wealth redistribution, but social (like racism or lgbt stuff)
The extremist case is in the united states, they got all the way mkultraed

>>509511569 (OP)
Third worldism became mainstream on the left in the 60s.

>>509511569 (OP)
well leftism is a mental disorder so there is that

imagine claiming men get pregnant and girls have dicks

???

>>509515445
>Only a lofty individuality finds within itself the measure of collective concepts.
How long can you ignore the fact that this is clearly wrong? Another decade or two?

https://youtu.be/p5XMTU87vXo?

>>509516361
....outside of middle class academics in their ivory towers?
Did 60's union types really know about Frantz Fanon, Marcuse and Edward Said?
Probably not

>>509511569 (OP)
When the empire invested a huge amount of resources into secret police forces, torture as state policy and state repression of the left, stupid.

>>509513554
"anarcho-left" does not mean what you think it means

>>509511569 (OP)
i am pretty sure the current focus on interpersonal power dynamics (the "woke" "SJW" emphasis on privileged white males as the epitome of evil and black trans indigenous handicapped people as the epitome of virtue, etc) started with post-structuralist third wave feminist critical theory, which grew out of french post-marxist/postmodernism so it started with frankfurt school post-ww2 but came into prominence in the 1980s and dominance of the political sphere post-Occupy Wall Street

the anti-globalization movement of the 1990s (Seattle WTO, Bologna protests, Porto Allegre declaration etc) was the last gasp before Occupy scared the bankers and they dumped an absolute shit ton of money and influence into shifting the focus from the collective/social toward the individual, "intersectional"

MeToo was arguably the point at which this ideology entered the lives of normies in the form of mass cancellations, DEI initiatives etc

nowadays, i'd say this spirit mostly lives on in (ineffectual, up-their-own-ass, infiltrated/co-opted) authoritarian left "tankie" groups, mutual aid/harm reduction orgs, and the periodically resurrected "poor people's campaign" type ecumenical left groups which always get drowned out by the noise from the dominant identity politics ideology

Mamdani's campaign is unique in recent memory because he more or less ignored the IdPol blue hair-juche ideology for economic concerns (public transport, rent control, food prices, cost of living, etc); I presume that's why there's such a concerted attack on him not only from the right but from the center-left as well.

>>509516928
State repression didn't create the radical, hyper-liberalism abd individualism that has become "the left"

>>509511569 (OP)
Leftism attracts the Hylics, driven by their base nature and led by emotions. This influx draws the attention of the lesser-intelligent psychics, the huwhite liberal, who lose any critical thinking ability when emotions are high and the masses follow. Also, all tankies must die.

>>509516475
no man is an island, and the fact that you regurgitate talking points fed to you by billionaires who consider you livestock proves that their propaganda campaigns have been more successful than anyone could have imagined

the very idea of workers banding together as communities to advocate for their rights instead of willingly subjecting themselves to debt slavery and total surveillance control and control is offensive to americans, who will protest the idea of affordable housing, healthcare and a living wage as "communism" because they heard it from Sean Hannity

what do you think of community gardens? have you ever heard of electrical or grain co-ops? what do you think of those models?

>>509516928
the post-9/11 fusion center gestapo was more influential in defusing the anti-globalization, anti-Iraq war movement but the rise of identity politics is a separate (but related) development, it happened about a decade later between the 2008 financial crisis and Trump's first campaign, under obama not bush

>>509517085
evola shit is gay both literally and figuratively, it posits that the highest form of social order is submitting willingly to control by "the spiritual elite" which in practice always turns out to be the same bloodline families who own all industrial, financial and political power

the fixation on aesthetics is inherently homosexual and i bet you guys jerk off together in your skull masks out in the woods. also at least 33% of all your members are federal informants (this is true on the left too though)

i'm going to be intentional and practice self-care by leaving this thread now. namaste, and solidarity. remember to acknowledge that you are on stolen land.

>>509517032
It sure did, stupid, they paid for all the bullshit you think of as the "left" and then told you it was bad. You are a brainwashed retard who thinks bullshit is true. "The left" just means "not believing that bullshit is true." Once you stop believing the stupid shit you are told is true by the secret police and state funded retards, you become a communist. That's why they need to keep inventing new bullshit in which to "expand freedom" except in the space of freedom to own the factories in which you work.

>>509511569 (OP)
Read Marcuse.

>>509516709
They absolutely did because leftism became the purview of ivory tower academic after WWII because so many White people were pulled out of poverty by the massive economic boom in the 50s and no longer cared about Roosevelt style socialism.

>>509517196
>workers banding together as a community
See this is why you're fundamentally retarded. The human soul and psyche do not form relationships souly based on your income tax bracket. Human beings collectivize on more intimate things such as history, culture, religion, and genetics. You reducing people to economic classes makes you like the insectoid billionaires that have no natural affection for their kin.

>>509511569 (OP)
Occypy wal street.
Obama couldn't send the cops to beat them all, so he paid agitators to promote causes that does not hurt corporate profit. It worked better than expected.

>>509517318
The secret police in the USA 100% invented "identity politics." It is a social space to "expand freedom" before we expand freedom for all . . . Somehow if we own the means of production before J. Edgar Hoover can legally enjoy anal sex, it is best to let rich people murder the poor and steal all their stuff.

>>509517196
The left is antiwork through. They hate workers and just want to take their money. They think workers work because they are borred and in their ideal world, workers would work for free just so they can have more stuff for themselves.

>>509511569 (OP)
>What happened to the Left?
This.
>Another consequence of Stalin’s meme war is that today’s left-wing antiwar demonstrators wear kaffiyehs without any sense of how grotesque it is for ostensible Marxists to cuddle up to religious absolutists who want to restore the power relations of the 7th century CE.
>In Stalin’s hands, even Marxism itself was hollowed out to serve as a memetic weapon — it became increasingly nihilist, hatred-focused and destructive.
>The postmodern left is now defined not by what it’s for but by what it’s against: classical-liberal individualism, free markets, dead white males, America, and the idea of objective reality itself.
Followed by...
>Lenin and Stalin wanted classical-liberal individualism replaced with something less able to resist totalitarianism, not more.
>Volk-Marxist fantasy and postmodern nihilism served their purposes; the emergence of an adhesive counter-ideology would not have.
>Thus, the Chomskys and Moores and Fisks are running a program carefully designed to dead-end at nothing.
>designed to dead-end at nothing.
>dead-end at nothing.
>at nothing.
>nothing....
And I am loving every minute of watching the left eat itself.

>>509511569 (OP)
The left don't want to send jews and niggers to ovens. That's a problem. People need ovens for jews and niggers. If you offer no ovens you are not needed.

>>509518018
Its because they instinctively know that work is a noble thing. Their optics strategy is to glue themselves to the moral imperative of work. They dont have a deep sense of responsibility or virtue. They have always been virtue signalers because theyre vain, insecure, faggots. The only thing they ever do with complete honesty is when they ally themselves with criminals. They are the proverbial Judas, the resentment of Cain, the embodiment of Lucifer who changes himself into an angel of light.

>>509516952
I'd largely agree with chunks of your post but...
>>509516952
>but came into prominence in the 1980s and dominance of the political sphere post-Occupy Wall Street
I dont really think neo-liberalism stemmed from post-structuralism. I think the left shifted from wanting to change their material reality to changing or improving themselves. From materialism to idealism ("free your mind and your ass will follow"). From this it can intermingle with what would become neo-liberalism (yippies becoming 80’s entrepreneurs).
I might have just cobdradicted myself. Maybe posts structuralism did lay the path for leftists to become neo-libs.

Its such a tangled mess

>>509511569 (OP)
Yeah 70s, When USSR stalled, and it fully ended with USSR dissolution

>>509511569 (OP)
>I’m guessing this transition began in the 1970s,
KEK No.
Ford, Rockefeller and Carnegie funded the feminism movement.
The Left has been working for the biggest capitalists on the planet for 100 years or more.
Every Leftist project is designed to improve business profitability. More women in work = cheaper labour. Internationalism, offshoring = cheaper labour. DEI = importing cheaper labour.
The capitalist class have been using The Left to oppress the working classes for 100 years.

>>509518081
That doesn't make sense at all

>>509511569 (OP)
Trace every one of these back to it's roots, and you will find a Stalinist "intellectual" at the bottom of the prolapsed anus that shat it out...
>There is no truth, only competing agendas.
>All Western (and especially American) claims to moral superiority over Communism/Fascism/Islam are vitiated by the West’s history of racism and colonialism.
>There are no objective standards by which we may judge one culture to be better than another. Anyone who claims that there are such standards is an evil oppressor.
>The prosperity of the West is built on ruthless exploitation of the Third World; therefore Westerners actually deserve to be impoverished and miserable.
>Crime is the fault of society, not the individual criminal. Poor criminals are entitled to what they take. Submitting to criminal predation is more virtuous than resisting it.
>The poor are victims. Criminals are victims. And only victims are virtuous. Therefore only the poor and criminals are virtuous. (Rich people can borrow some virtue by identifying with poor people and criminals.)
>For a virtuous person, violence and war are never justified. It is always better to be a victim than to fight, or even to defend oneself. But ‘oppressed’ people are allowed to use violence anyway; they are merely reflecting the evil of their oppressors.
>When confronted with terror, the only moral course for a Westerner is to apologize for past sins, understand the terrorist’s point of view, and make concessions.
All the oldie but moldy commie shitsticks are here.
Gramsci
Fanon
Baran and Wallerstein and their "world system" thesis.
All the fucking commie jews from the Frankfurt School
More and worse

>>509518580
Cool story bro

>>509518586
It is a testament to the efficacy of Soviet propaganda efforts that you don't understand any of this, nor recognize any of the memes you're repeating as being subversive memes to begin with - created whole cloth by the fucking Soviets.

>what happened to retard social hyperconformists who are led around by the nose by The Nose

>>509518720
Its a testament to cold war propaganda that you're still blaming the soviet union for your ills when clearly the transition from left-wing collectivist ideologies to "left-wing" hyper individualism (identity politics) originated and festered in the west ...... at the expense of orthodox left wing ideas like you would find in the USSR. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot and hinder the global progress of communism by promoting these contrary ideas? (Inb4 muh 4d chess)

>>509518642
Okay, so why does the left have always fought for societal ideas that increase profit?

Right now, they want CEOs to be capable to hire people whithout respecting any law made to protect worker and without paying any taxes.
Why is the left fighting for that, they used to fight against.

>>509519170
>no YOU!
This is why you will fucking fail.
The left today is dead-ending at nothing and doing shit like preventing the expulsion of some 60M invaders in the US alone - this virtually guarantees that things will go kinetic and usher in something like a Christian Francoist fascist state akin to Spain in the 1930's.
And I hope it does.
You fucks have done irreparable damage to the West, and we all know how Spain ended up.
The fact that you are too fucking dumb to even know how your own ideology ended up here only makes you that much more pathetic.
Be seeing you, fuckhead.

>>509517511
Checked but also I've never read evola. I believe there are soulless hylics out there in the platonic sense. As a true anarchist and not a faggot ancom as you sound like (which is an oxymoron) i don't rely on anyone else. No gods, no kings, no commune. You literally need the daddy State to tell you what to do, or you'll get lost. That is the issue. You are not a creator or a maintainer. Nazis, commies, socialists are all the god damned problem.

>>509519555
Checked and truth pilled

>>509511569 (OP)
>I’m guessing this transition began in the 1970s
Sooner than that, around the time of the Second World War man cultural marxist fled to the U.S. and began taking up positions among the intelligentsia. They would either go into teach or their pupils would go onto teach at various universities. I would say it came to become known around the 60s with the rise of the various counter culture movements.

>>509519344
>Right now,

The core point I’m making is that the contemporary 'left' is no longer truly left-wing in the traditional sense. By the late 1970s, class-based, economically focused, and collectivist politics had largely been displaced by a form of individualism more in line with liberalism. As a result, many so-called 'left-wing' politicians today act in ways that, as you noted, are fundamentally at odds with traditional leftist ideals.( e.g."they want CEOs to be capable to hire people whithout respecting any law made to protect worker")

tl;dr: the left is dead. How did it die?

>>509514542
On YouTube there's a video titled "Occupy Richmond 10/6/11 Intro to Progressive Stack" and you can actually see the entire OWS movement begin to derail itself in real time. It's an incredible video.

>>509520256
>modern left
>any left
>individualism
All flavors if left can be summed up
>gibs me dat
And it can't work without collectivism.

>>509518642
You're a moron.
Pic is related.

>>509519965
>cultural marxist fled to the U.S.
This explanation is too idealistic. Especially from a left-wing perspective. You need to consider how changes in everyday life shaped political movements. Socialism, communism, and anarchism emerged in response to the conditions created by the Industrial Revolution. But after World War II, material living conditions changed again—this time in a way that gave rise to identity politics, often at the expense of traditional collectivist politics. Blaming academics doesnt work.

>>509520482
Lazy.
Welfarism is as much about conserving the status quo as it is about anything left wing. (See 1884 – Workers’ Accident Insurance Act Austro-Hungarian Empire implemented to PREVENT the artisan classes from revolting like he french)

>>509515412
Dork.

>>509511569 (OP)
It began in the Cold War with the Congress for Cultural Freedom and peaked after Occupy Wall Street with the rise of wokeness. The “New Left” was created by the financial elites and the deep state as a replacement for the class-conscious old Left which could threaten their power.

>>509511569 (OP)
The '90s. I was there. The Battle of Seattle and OWS were the last gasps of the old, sensible left. After that, it was all about trannies, drag queens, and fags.

>>509515239
>Both parties were hijacked and formed into perfect controlled opposition.
This.

>>509511569 (OP)
>>509514689
>>509514855
>>509516297
>>509518081
You are all wrong I'll tell you the answers, the reason the left is imploding it's because of Retards in Reddit, Twitter, YouTube and Resetera giving them these anti social hugboxes telling them they are right for the most dumbass shite and constant brigading other website like here.

>>509511569 (OP)
The left never gave a shit about workers or worker's rights. The entire point of it from essentially day one was to hate White people, beauty, and natural hierarchy, and desire to destroy all of those things by force. They only put talk about worker's rights up front because they always knew just talking about how much they hate White people wouldn't get them anywhere in the political field. But now, hating Whites is far more of a genuine position people can now express in the open, so no there's no point talking about workers anymore.

>>509521437
>The “New Left” was created by the financial elites and>>509521459
There's a lot of synergy to this. Criticizing the "1%" did morph from "class war" to divisive identity politics quite quickly but I don't really think it was separate from the transition to individualism in the late 70's. Maybe this was when the offspring of the counter cultural individualists came into being.

In America, the Taft-Hartley Act de-politicized unions by banning socialists and communists from union leadership, banning closed shops, and banning unions from striking for political reasons or in solidarity with each other or basically any reason other than to increase their own paychecks and benefits as employees. Key unions who could easily shut down the entire economy by themselves if they wanted to like longshoremen were neutralized as a threat by being bought off and/or targeted for mafia infiltration. This effectively killed unions as a political machine, which was the central pillar the "old" left organized around. The "new" left was formed among university students, who tend to be the children of elites and obviously don't face the same material conditions as working class people do, leading to them being more focused on pet social issues and largely ignoring economic ones. Half a century of neoliberal economic policy has also effectively conditioned the populace not to think in terms of having any democratic control over the economy. "The market" is seen as something that is wholly constructed by the private sector.

>>509522023
>The entire point of it from essentially day one was to hate White people ........
No. Prior to ww2 it was about class and economics. The elite industrialists promoted differences in peoples to undermine class politics, unions etc. United they stand divided they fall.

Up until somewhere in the 50's-70's gender, sexuality, race and nationalism was expected to take second place to class and economics..... then that changed.
If you dont understand this you dont understand the left or Marx

>>509520675
But it is the academics that create and propagate these ideas. Your average worker is not pondering these sorts of ideas. Not to mention cultural marxism which is so prevalent today was not an idea which was founded post WWII it was created in reaction to the failure of communism revolutions to succeed and spread in Europe beyond Russia.

>>509519555
>This is why you will fucking fail
Ledt wing politics died over 4 decades a go

>>509522881
Even if leftists pre-WWII did focus on economics and class, they did still talk about social issues and were progressives. They still wanted to uproot natural beauty, natural hierarchy, national identity, and even religion, they saw those things as 'oppressive'. In America, workers are hard-working people who love their family, god, and their homeland. Leftists literally want to destroy all of those things. Sure, workers would like to get paid more, but they do not tolerate people who want to destroy the concepts they hold most dear, communists and working class people were never on the same page.

>>509522881
But at the end of the day class is not some static thing, a many can work his way out of poverty and that has happened so many times. That is the key issue with ideas where class solidarity is key, you basically have a base that is ever shifting. It only gained ground in places like Russia due to the fact that there was a designated poor class which would stay in their position no matter what and even if they found a way to acquire wealth they would still be looked down on. In the U.S. there aren’t any castes or bullshit like that. I mean there is social stigma around being nouvea riche by the old money but it’s not going to make you lose your shirt or anything.

>>509511569 (OP)
A lot of that wasn't organic. The threat of a left wing revolution was there, it needed to be turned into something useless and harmless.

>>509511569 (OP)
>When did left-wing politics in the West shift focus from class, economics, and collective/social issues to centering more on identity, the individual, and the self?

don't have an exact when but the how is by a system of collectivizing the dregs of western society (individual rejects; eg. off white, off christian, off heteronormative, mentally and physically disabled, etc) into a new marxist-type group based on the political capital of perceived social worth and oppression rather than class.
it is an alliance of convenience where the "worst of society" often reluctantly band together to take political power, usually aggregating in leftist voting blocs (but not always, see Islam in the UK), where it's leaders overpromise as many new rights and freedoms to those dregs to capture as much of their votes as possible.
being a dreg or an "underdog" is often seen as "cooler" in society, due to an inherent human needs for struggle, attention, meaning and fame. this is especially true in peaceful western society which has it's own unresolved struggles with post religious nihilism. this causes a the young and impressionable to pick up mantles of fights that aren't theirs, recruiting more members to this group, who then actively turn even more socially stratified by entrenchment.
all of this is of course enabled by the invention of instant long range communication that allows people to replace their own (likely peaceful) surroundings with constant images of misery and suffering that just isn't theirs.
who is responsible for this? literal engagement baiting algorithms fighting for control over the internet's attention economy.

this isn't exclusive to one ethnicity, religion or even country, but it did start in the anglosphere most likely.

if you would like to know more I would suggest watching charlamanges video on bioleninism because this is a huge and densely packed subject that a single post can't possibly contain.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qZvjNJxzevM

>>509524212
You'd have to be delusional to think people in the West were going to fight to turn their homelands that they love into a degenerate and ugly wasteland. The people never supported Communism, it was just a tool by rich jews to destroy White countries.

>>509521459
>calling the old left sensible

right wing retards really make me laugh.

>>509523503
>>509520675 (You) #
But it is the academics that create and propagate these ideas. Your average worker is not pondering these sorts of ideas.

You're over estimating the influence of academia. “Cultural Marxism” has become a catchphrase for extreme liberal individualism. Marx saw the individual as an ideological construct of capitalism so idendity politics doesn't fit within "the left" neatly at all.

Read "cultural Marxists " like Marcuse, Adorno, Horkheimer, Fromm, and Habermas and you find little direct connection to today’s identity politics. Wilhelm Reich, who stressed the importance of sexual expression, was only loosely linked to the Frankfurt School and was more influential on American counterculture. He was not really a Marxist

>>509523503
Pretty much anon. Communism was always just used by rich jews to destroy White countries, never truly revolutionary or attempting to identify what the people wanted. After WWII Communists realized people were never going to be convinced to join them and would always oppose them, so they retreated into infiltrating the system instead of trying to topple it, as they essentially relied on the system they hated.

>>509511569 (OP)
>When did left-wing politics in the West shift focus from class, economics, and collective/social issues to centering more on identity, the individual, and the self?
The formation of israel.

I'm not even joking. Most of the left's thought leaders pre-israel were jews who saw themselves as jews first and leftists second. When israel was created and leftists started opposing it, the jews started jumping ship. Since the left's leadership at the time was almost entirely jewish, the left basically collapsed from the top down as their entire leadership class switched sides. If you want the deep lore on this look into "Commentary". It was the primary journal in which the jewish intelligentsia coordinated the switch from communism to neoconservative in response to the creation of israel and the left's opposition to it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commentary_(magazine)

Also look into groups like the "New York Intellectuals" (pic-related) which were communist groups that the founders of neoconservatism belonged to before jews abandoned the left in favor of israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Intellectuals

Jews who remained on the left after the creation of israel abandoned worker-consumer oriented politics in favor of anti-white politics. This was the well-known "Frankfurt School", colloquially termed "cultural Marxism". Horkheimer and Marcuse was probably the most influential of the bunch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Marcuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Horkheimer
>For Horkheimer, the working class had been a revolutionary subject only in the abstract, it was essentially an empty placeholder for the subject which would overthrow an economic and social system which they considered wrong
This was the exact moment that the "woke left" was born, although it took a white for it to completely replace the old left.

>>509524886
These things are relative.
Serfs viewing themselves as a working class is much more sensible than viewing themselves as a bunch of individuals. Viewing biological sex as a "social construct" at the expense of class based politics isnt sensible all..... Hence the working classes moving to populist politics instead of class politics.

>>509524722
Yes, and international finance wasn't. You fucking idiot.

>>509525578
Communism was just a jewish tool from the beginning. They claimed to hate the rich while completely ignoring how many rich people were jews. They always just hated White people from the beginning.

>>509516952
TRVKE

>>509525935
International finance is also utilized as a tool to destroy White people. But just because leftists oppose jewish capitalism (Without ever actually naming the jew) and international finance doesn't automatically mean they support White identity, they wanted to destroy it just like jews did, they just ideologically weren't completely on the same page as jews. It's like the current Israel-Palestine situation. Sure leftists hate Israel and support Palestine, but that does not mean they support White identity, they still want to destroy Whites like jews do.

>>509524886
>>calling the old left sensible
Compared to what replaced it? Yes. Compared to White Nationalism? No.

>>509524639
>don't have an exact when
I have the exact "when" here
>>509525578

It started with horkheimer applying abductive reasoning to "the working class". For marx the working class was wage laborers and that the frustrations of capitalism would endow them with revolutionary potential was a prediction. Horkeimer basically applied the "duck-test" to the above. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test

Horkheimer noticed that blacks, women, gays, the unemployed and even jewish billionaires seemed to have much greater revolutionary potential than wage laborers, so by the duck-test he concluded that it was actually these groups and not wage laborers who should be considered the real "working class" and that these groups should replace the working class as the subjects of revolution in western marxism. This was the birth of what is now sometimes called "cultural marxism".

>>509516952
I wonder what the last names of those bankers are.

>>509525382
>You're over estimating the influence of academia
So you’re telling me that the people that created the ideas and were the ones that unleashed them aren’t responsible?
>Cultural Marxism” has become a catchphrase for extreme liberal individualism
No, it’s more or less what it was when it first started, just an application of marxist theory to culture. The entire us vs them victim mentality only trade class with whatever idpol shit you want. And that idea has propagated far more due to the fact that social shit is far more static in the U.S. and other western nations than class.

>>509516952
yeah any time anyone who appears to care more about class than identity pops up, they get squashed like a latin american government that wouldn’t play ball with world trade. the USA is exceedingly good at it which is why it’s always funny when people claim the nation is ran by communists or whatever.

>>509526486
Every. Single. Time.

>>509525944
A lot of it was just pre-israel zionism. Many jews at the time straight up admitted it. The zionist movement predated israel, and those seeking a jewish ethnostate in palestine were in the minority. The dominant position at the time was that the jewish ethnostate should be created somewhere in europe in the aftermath of the next big war. Jews would focus their efforts on controlling media and politicians like they do today, and when the next big war happens and it's time for the losing side to make concessions the zionist movement hoped that they could get the winning side to for them to surrender land for the creation of a jewish state. Many jews at the time supported communism purely for its destabilizing effects. It was just a way to get a war going so that they could maybe get a jewish ethnostate in the aftermath. All the land is taken, so the only way a jewish state can be created is if an existing state loses land, so an existing state must die and communist revolution is a good way to do that. Once they got israel these kinds of games were no longer necessary so many of these "communists" pivoted to neoconservatism. They no longer needed revolution and instability to create the jewish state, they now needed to secure and stabilize the state they have. Of course there were and still are true believers, but it seems like the most impactful jewish communists were zionist cynics rather than true believers, and when they jumped ship the communist movement kind of got lost since they didn't have anyone up to the task of replacing the old jewish leadership. The crypto zionists were simply leaps and bounds more competent than the true believers.

>>509525578
good post

>>509511569 (OP)
birth control/feminism/no fault divorced meant the left simply can't replace itself naturally by having children, they NEED to indoctrinate other people's kids

>>509517196
>what do you think of community gardens? have you ever heard of electrical or grain co-ops? what do you think of those models?
These things are not compatible with a society that includes niggers and ethnics, and to pretend not would be arguing in bad faith.

>>509527250
Leftists and jews split on quite a few issues, but leftists deep down know they need jews and their funding to have any kind of major success. The majority of people naturally dislike communism and would never fight for it, so a revolution was always out of the question for leftists, not without funding from jews of course. Infiltrating media and academia is the only efficient way for leftists expand their presence or control, but without jewish funding they essentially become headless chickens running around unable to successfully organize on their own. This is why despite the issues they split with them on, such as the Israel-Palestine issue, leftists never even dare to officially split from the jews, they need them and their money.

>>509514969

>/pol/ is wondering were the left went

We were always here, we just hate the faggots and zionists more than (You) do.

>>509527250
This sort of reinforces a theory I’ve been pondering where there are two camps of jews. One are the zionists that wish to create an ethnostate in the Middle East and the other are the marxist jews that wish to make it in Europe. And they’re both constantly at odds and manipulating politics in order to achieve their goals.

>>509511569 (OP)
Because they're hypocrites in the end that care only about their own interests. Otherwise they would've formed a united front.

>>509528223
Close. It's zionists vs globalists. Both factions are run by jews. They bicker with each other a lot, but when they are threatened as a class, they will temporarily join forces.

>>509511569 (OP)
Glow thread.

Homosexuals are not humans.

>>509519820
What a breath of fresh air to see an anarchist. I thought the glowniggers killed off the last of your kind after OWS for refusing to kneel.

>>509521459
I remember that. That was when liberalism died with OWS. Replaced by the Woke faggotry and SJWism.

>>509522703
Its worth noting that to this day, Unions in the USA are still controlled and owned by the Mafia.

>>509527250
They never got rid of that plan. Instead it was updated into the Restoring Khazaria plan that you see being played out between Ukraine and Russia right now.

>>509530203
I would argue that the difference is semantics, considering how even Zionism expects to rule the world with Israel as its capital and the Jews as the owners.

>>509515758
Who's the breasteses monster on his left? I'd love to get into an ANR with her.

Occupt wall street was exactly that

Then the elite paid fags and troons to shit up and discredit the movement

>>509513755
>>509516297
god bless the CIA

>>509511569 (OP)
american politics in general are individualistic, not just the left

>>509513554
No, it happened long before Trump

>>509514542
>>509520436
Progstack and SJWs; takes me back

Frankfurt school

>>509511569 (OP)
Around the same time the (((yous))) started flooding our country with rapists and drug dealers.