Thread 509565585

Only people with low IQ continue to believe that IQ tests are actual science.

https://medium.com/incerto/iq-is-largely-a-pseudoscientific-swindle-f131c101ba39

not everyone with high IQ is intelligent
but everyone with low IQ is retarded

/thread

>>509565585 (OP)
>Nassim Taleb
lmaooooooooooooo
For anyone that doesn't know this retard has been trying to debunk IQ for over 10 years.
There's literally a cabal of these guys that try to block this science. There's another group that focuses on trying to say that men and women have identical brains.

TWITTER!!!!!

>>509565626
Basically this.
If you cant solve basic tests you are retarded

>>509565585 (OP)
I've been pointing out the jewish control over running tests and their way of designing tests to give high scores only for thinking along lines jews approve of rather than anything resembling intelligence for years

>>509565585 (OP)

> A study proves intelligence testing is unreliable!
> Opens the article
> It starts by complaining about racism
> Closes the article

>>509565626
There's no correlation at all.

The usefulness of IQ is overstated. It's at best a filter where if you can't score 100+ there is genuinely no hope for you
>t. 140

>>509565585 (OP)
These are fucking idiots. IQ doesnt measure economic success thats a different metric

>>509565806
I guess that's why people with high IQs get paid more and live longer and get divorced less and get good grades and get degrees and don't commit crime and literally every positive outcome in the entire world has a correlation coefficient with IQ of ~.8

>>509565585 (OP)
LOL so it shows that affirmative action put a bunch of retards into positions they don't belong and low IQ tards thinks this debunks IQ

>>509565666
Nobody believes such nonsense men and women having the same brains when male brains are larger LMAO. Its a fact. 2 things cant be identical if one is larger in 95%+ of the cases.

>>509565585 (OP)
>please rotate this shape in your mind
>"OOGA BOOGA BIX NOOD"
it's racism but not the way they think

>>509565981
Women are verifiably worse at everything
Driving
Competitive chess
Competitive math

>>509565585 (OP)
I assume they didn't correct for occupation and unisversity major.
Physics and philosophy major PHDs have around 130 IQ and for many of the humanities their IQ will be around 100. If you don't correct for their major those will be seen as equal.
There has also been a major wealth transfer to relatively low IQ jobs because of DEI and similar policies. High IQ engineers are often bossed around by low IQ managers that are paid more.

With that said you can ignore everything i stated above and ask why the metrics they used are supposed to be relevant for intelligence. There is nothing about those metrics that should be directly correlated with intelligence unless you think ambition equals intelligence.

IQ is very much correlated with being able to understand different concepts and at what speed you can learn new skills.

>>509565585 (OP)
I USE BIG WORDS BECAUSE I AM A RETARD.
We know.

>>509565859
True, it is overstated, but IQ is a pretty decent indicator of success. With some exceptions, higher IQ usually means better educated, more money, healthier etc.

>>509565585 (OP)
if it is all rubbish and there is no correlation at all then let us compare the IQ's of difference races

>>509565585 (OP)
Only a liberal claims something is wrong or racist or pseudoscience because they don't like the implications of that thing. I'm sorry but niggers are stupid as fuck. Most of them are so fucking stupid that they would be legally classified as retarded by white standards if they were given an IQ test. That's why they stopped giving IQ tests in school. The special ed class would be filled with nothing but niggers and a couple retarded white kids drooling on their desks.

>>509565585 (OP)
You're a retard. Humans must have a way to quantify intelligence and assign metrics to it. It's imperative for human development and advancement.

For computers it's easy. We can quantify the intelligence of a computer by its "bits" or bitrate/busrate. The speed at which the CPU can solve and communicate the solve.

For humans it's testing. We test the humans ability to solve and we assign metrics to it based on accuracy and time. Otherwise known as IQ.

I will re-iterate that you are functionally retarded and the world would of objectively been better had you never existed.

>>509565585 (OP)
A blackbong cope of the day? Sweet!

>>509565585 (OP)
>random article on a site known for hosting literally whos posting random articles
>ThE sCiEnCe iS sEtTLeD!!!@!

>>509565981
Nobody believes it but these groups are being paid to spread such nonsense. There's massive coverups being done on the field of group differences, especially in the focus of intelligence.

>>509566037
Women are better at being cruel vindictive cold hearted and at dentistry probably

>>509565945
Haha, interesting

>>509566468
No they are worse dentists

>>509565585 (OP)
Noticing some of the people who I've heard claim to have 120+ has alread proven to me that it is bullshit. You can very well be a retard who is good at pattern recognition.

>>509566037
They were designed to stay back and take care of children until those male children became old enough to then learn from men. Nothing has changed in modern times but the placation of spinsters, grown out of control since suffrajet dikes demanded a dick too. It is painfully obvious, and feel for those cucked with daughters.

>>509565585 (OP)
Holy shit, I knew my 80 IQ test result didn't matter!

>>509565585 (OP)
Yes, IQ is not related to success.
But it only shocks peoples that think we live in a normal, just and uncorrupted society. aka retard.

>>509565945
this

The data he presents is correct but his conclusions are wrong

>below 100 IQ, differences in IQ are strongly correlated to outcomes
>above 100IQ, the correlation becomes much less clear
>at the highest ranges of IQ, while accuracy is unreliable because score variance is so wide , it appears there is a general trend that at 130+ higher IQ begins to correlate with less success

His conclusion is racism against blacks, while the correct conclusion is organized institutional and social nepotism by 100IQs against the potential threat of 140IQs.

>>509566639
You want hands this size pulling out your wisdom teeth and stuff? Ive had my deciduous teeth pulled by women and it was not the most painful thing ever,nor was it that bad of a memory,compared to what It could have been. But I do remember the dr. Lying about not pulling when she pulled. That was cruel.

>>509565585 (OP)
Das rite. Fuk dem timetables. I knew I are smartess.

>>509565585 (OP)

>article written by a middle eastern Muslim, a creature so warped and mutated by thousands of years of back to back cousin and sibling marriages, that his IQ is drastically reduced and literally retarded.

>an individual and group who have the greatest incentive - and bias - when it comes to dispelling the concept of IQ, and with it the definitive proof they’re not even human anymore.

Yeah thanks Moshe. Discarded out of hand. You guys really are low effort.

>>509566210
We're not machines made up of water and space dust. Even the unholy priests of Science™ are still trying to figure out the human brain after centuries.

>>509565585 (OP)
Only people with low IQ would claim IQ is largely a pseudoscientific swindle.

>>509565806
lol

>>509565585 (OP)
As IQ goes up, so does disillusionment with society. Failure is replaced by underachievement of smart people because they just don't care as much.

>>509565585 (OP)
I don't judge people by their IQ, I judge them by their skin color

>>509565945
Yep

>>509565666
It's odd bc taleb is legitimately high iq and his books are awesome.

P.s. vox will see this. WHERES MY HOMER SET GET TO WORK!

>>509565585 (OP)
taleb is low iq because he avoids risky gmos, but thinks there's no problem with risky mrna vaccines

IQ is just pattern recognition

>>509565585 (OP)
so what’s the y-axis on that graph supposed to be?

>>509567075
>But I do remember the dr. Lying about not pulling when she pulled. That was cruel.
Typical feminine deceit

>>509565585 (OP)
> 5) Fooled by Randomness: seeing shallow patterns in not a virtue — it leads to naive interventionism. Some psychologist wrote back to me: “IQ selects for pattern recognition, essential for functioning in modern society”. No. Not seeing patterns except when they are significant is a virtue in real life. 6) To do well in life you need depth and ability to select your own problems and to think independently. And one has to be a lunatic (or a psychologist) to believe that a standardized test will reveal independent thinking.

A 1 dimensional number doesn't make sense to evaluate if someone is "smart" but if you think of it as a vector then it's magnitude will tell you if it is possible that person is "smart". That is what IQ measures.

>>509566055
>High IQ engineers are often bossed around by low IQ managers
so this study is true

>Functionary Quotient: If you renamed IQ , from “Intelligent Quotient” to FQ “Functionary Quotient” or SQ “Salaryperson Quotient”, then some of the stuff will be true. It measures best the ability to be a good slave confined to linear tasks. “IQ” is good for @davidgraeber’s “BS jobs”.
lmao

he writes this whole fucking article just to concede that IQ does predict job performance "but that doesn't count because i don't respect those jobs!!!"

what a tosser

>>509567522
It's not meaningless, but it's also not the be-all, end-all.

>>509568766
>thinks there's no problem with risky mrna vaccines
Which reminds me: very few ghetto blacks were foolish enough to take Dr. Bourla's depop shot. They passed the only IQ test that matters.

>>509565585 (OP)
>t. shitskin-kike-jeet

These are real life examples from people I know. Which one is stupid?
145 IQ
>lives with mommy at age 31 (hates her)
>works as plumber
>incel npc dialogue at least once while hanging out
>opinionated about everything he doesn't do
>constantly negative
>skinnyfat
>youtube celebrities and vidya is life
105IQ:
>works tech
>lives with gf (seems to go well, she's pretty)
>works out 2-3 times a week
>hobbies include musical instruments, making exotic foods and camping in tent
>sociable to a healthy extent
>has a nuanced view on the world

Ok I think I get Taleb's argument.

People who value intelligence, culture, civilization and all kinds of refinements (I do not), do not like IQ because it is not "intelligent" enough, such a metric must in their mind characterize exactly what "intelligence" is, something exquisitely nuanced. They want it to be like program running time, whereas IQ is like CPU clock frequency.

No surprise then that he is trapped in the classical ought/is dilemma. The fact he goes for social metrics to determine whether IQ is relevant, show that it only correlates very weakly and determine that IQ is thus bunk as a measure of intelligence (this ineffable, sacred thing), just shows that he cannot conceive of a society that wouldn't value intelligence, and not because he's a fat dogmatic retard, but because what he equates with intelligence is basically being successful, it's raw will to power. Sometimes it even negates itself!

>Not seeing patterns except when they are significant is a virtue in real life

Understandably so, since as the highest value, it can never be represented, enunciated, spoken captured into words, only incarnated. Taleb surely is that kind of dynamite.

Captcha: ARNRP, also know as LARP

>>509565585 (OP)
I knew it was gonna be that retarded Arab because only he is retarded enough to post such cope. That moron believes that standard testing to get into med school leaves out perfectly good potential doctors who are simply unfortunate enough to be unable to ace tests but that totally wouldn't affect their ability to practice medicine.

>>509566412
>he doesn't know the meme man who wrote this
nu

>>509568517
He is but he's mad that IQ tests show that his fellow Arabs average in the 80s so he copes by claiming that IQ is racist poppycock.

>>509565585 (OP)
science is about study and measurement.

IQ tests are a means of measurement. its not merely a test of if someone can remember a correct answer, its a test designed to measure how well someone can discover and understand the answer on their own without any previous hints, clues, or training.

it is very scientific, you're just too low IQ to appreciate it. i'm not saying the # is everything.. and once you test a certain level you're branded it forever.. not quite. but thats the thing about science, it doesnt always give exact answers, only approximations. but approximating is better than not having any clue at all.

the thing is, IQ isn't THAT important when it comes to the abilities required to do a wide variety of tasks. many people can be very high functioning, compentant and successful with an an average or relatively low IQ. and likewise you can have some turbo genius that can see how everything works and fits together, but is entirely dysfunctional or "retarded" in other ways. it comes down to the fact that intelligence is dynamic and people are fairly sophisticated considering the other creatures we share the world with. we have a very wide range of things that can be specialized in. our societies are basically built around people training themselves to become some sort of savant. thats what a "career" is. that one thing you become hyper focused on and good at. well a genius can become hyper focused on and good at a wider variety of things because of their natural ability to understand it without assistance.

high IQ people created science as a tool to focus their intellectual abilities. to verify instead of just sitting around guessing. well we dont need to guess so much if someone is a dumbshit or not. we see how well they can perform a test.

whats next? other lab experiments have no validity because the results disturb your feelings? awww poor retard.

>>509565585 (OP)
There is IQ WAR (I forget what it's called) but the main problem is that people with higher IQ often minimize the issues with the testing process because they like the results they get. This is a tautology; the test is valid showing how smart someone is because they recieved a high score showing they're smart. Tessellating random shapes and abstract continuation of random patterns has little to do with anything other than guessing what the designer decided was correct. There may be more logical solutions that cannot be elaborated on in a multiple choice test. Same with the language skill section, because if you study you'll know vociferious is to reticent as mawkish is to phlegmatic, but if you dont know obscure latin words, you're boned. Now do we have something better? Not really. But like all composite metrics, the more the subject is aware of the test, the greater their desire to perform to the test rather than accurately gauge someone's abilities.

>>509565585 (OP)
It's still an excellent tool for determining intelligence that way though.

>>509565585 (OP)
it's kind of real but only for the average of multiple tests. A single score for one test doesn't tell you much

>>509567623
All I see from that chart is that Qatar are cashed up retards.

if you care about IQ you are a chud
no one goes around caring what their IQ or someone elses IQ is
literally chud science

>>509565585 (OP)
> blacks and browns have consistently low IQ scores
> It must be the tests fault!
Many such cases.

>>509572773
Yes, basically every country significantly above the line are oilniggers/tax havens

>>509567053
Pretty much, tested MENSA 144, have to work basic ass software engineering job because it’s the only low effort good pay thing in the world if you start poor

>>509565798
Who knew?
Kikes really don't like how they're not the cusp of human supremacy they believe themselves to be.
Their plan: dumb everyone else down by flooding the entire world with niggers and jeets.
Give it a generation, and all of a sudden the pissrealli gene pool and it's closed borders IS the cusp of humanity.
Add to that the die off and sterility of covid, and you're looking at a very different world in 20 years.
They've basically won, they just have to survive the fall.

>>509566037
Men are pretty much more "extreme," in pretty much everything, which is why they are pretty often much worse, but also quite often much better.

Women, on average, are... average. They are much more social than males and ostracize peer members, who do not adhere to the social code, which leads them to try to be 'non-extreme' in every situation they encounter.
That's pretty good for not doing anything too bad, but it'll also never allow you to do really great things, either.

Neither sex should feel 'threatened' by the other, they complement each other, as they are evolved to be.

>>509565626
This.

>>509565585 (OP)
I only ever see this cope from midwits. Low IQs don’t care and high IQs understand there’s real intelligence differences intuitively (from experience)

Does this logic apply to AI?

"""there's no real difference between chatGPT 1.0 and 40 because intelligence is meaningless!!"""

Why do you believe that a smarter AI is better, but you deny that a smarter human is better?

>>509565585 (OP)
What's the other axis?

>>509565585 (OP)
listen: when i took the raven's progressive matrices test, i got a 180-something on it. i know the old tests are exploitable, and basically i did very, shockingly well at exploiting it. i know the newer tests are harder to exploit, which is why i only got a 130-something on it. the point is this: when you compare you to me, its like comparing an ant to GOD. its totally fine if you want to think IQ is fake. doesn't bother me. but know your fucking role

>>509565585 (OP)
I don't really care about IQ, but there should be a way to measure something like that. It's extremely obvious it's manipulated by the creators biases either way. I just plain don't believe what we're told to believe. IQ apparently selects for leftism. That invalidates it in my eyes.

Also, it's basically just reaching for expert opinion without you spending any time thinking about it. It's an appeal to experts, and that never really is good.

>>509571928
Taleb's notion of intelligence is like a story. You must read a story till the last paragraph because everything can be overturned at the very last moment.

An IQ test is a snapshot. It's a photo of a character in the first chapter who seems brilliant. Taleb is only interested in the full movie. If that "brilliant" character makes one foolish, high-stakes mistake and dies in the final act, the entire narrative of their intelligence is rendered void. Ruin is the ultimate editor.
For him, intelligence is not a property you have, but a successful trajectory you navigate.

Taleb's project is not just to critique IQ; it is to reclaim the word "intelligence" itself. He knows that words have power. If he accepts the "deal" and says, "Fine, 'intelligence' is what IQ measures, but it's irrelevant," he loses the war. He would be ceding the very concept he believes is most important.

Instead, he insists that his definition—conflating it with survival, success, and antifragility—is the only one that has any meaning. He is not trying to be a dispassionate scientist classifying a trait; he is a polemicist trying to change our entire value system, to make us respect the street-smart survivor more than the decorated academic.

>>509576115
In Greimassian terms, intelligence is a narrative value embedded within the actantial model of the kinds of stories Taleb favors.

For Taleb, "intelligence" is not an intrinsic quality of the hero (the Subject). Instead, it's a contested Object of value within the narrative itself. More precisely, there are two competing objects:
- The False Object: "Intelligence" as defined by academia, IQ tests, and theory. This is the treasure that the Opponent (the Fragilista, the IYI) tells the hero to seek.
- The True Object: "Survival" or "Prevailing." This is the real prize, the attainment of which is mediated by the ultimate Sender—Reality itself.

The entire drama of a Talebian story is the Subject's journey of realizing he is seeking the wrong Object. The "intelligent" man who goes bust is a morality play about this confusion.

What Taleb enjoys is not just stories for the sake of stories... What he enjoys is the reversal of values that structures them. His intellectual pleasure is derived entirely from witnessing this reversal. It is the core dynamic of the Greimassian semiotic square applied to his favorite topic:
- S1 (The Asserted): Academic Intelligence (High IQ, theoretical knowledge)
- S2 (The Contrary): Ruin (Going bust, being a sucker)
- ~S1 (The Contradictory): Not-Intelligence (Street smarts, mētis, practical heuristics, ignoring noise)
- ~S2 (The Contradictory): Not-Ruin (Survival, Antifragility)

The Talebian plot is always the same: A character is told to pursue S1 (Academic Intelligence). This path, however, is revealed to be a direct route to S2 (Ruin). The true hero—the Talebian Subject—is the one who understands this. He embraces ~S1 (the rejection of formal intelligence) as his primary Helper, and by doing so, he successfully attains ~S2 (Not-Ruin/Survival), which is the story's ultimate positive value.

>>509576165
The "reversal" he enjoys so much is the movement from the top axis (S1 -> S2) to the bottom axis (~S1 -> ~S2). He delights in showing that the seemingly "positive" path is a trap and the seemingly "negative" path (the via negativa) is the true road to salvation.

His work is not an open-ended inquiry. It is the constant, almost compulsive, retelling of this single narrative structure. He finds new characters—Socrates, Thales, Fat Tony—and new settings—ancient markets, modern finance, medicine—but they are all just different costumes and backdrops for the same archetypal play.

Think about it:
- Fooled by Randomness: The entire book is a collection of stories about characters who follow formal logic and statistical theory (S1: Academic Intelligence) and are wiped out by randomness (S2: Ruin). The hero is the skeptical trader who understands the limits of his own knowledge (~S1: Not-Intelligence) and thereby manages to survive (~S2: Not-Ruin).
- The Black Swan: This scales the concept up from individuals to history. It's a grand narrative about how "expert" predictions and models (S1) make society vulnerable to catastrophic failure (S2). Wisdom lies in accepting the unpredictable and building robustness (~S2) by rejecting the arrogance of prediction (~S1).
- Antifragile: This is where he finally gives a name to the True Object of his quest: ~S2, the state of "Not-Ruin," is formalized as "Antifragility." The book is a manual on how to achieve this state by embracing stressors and volatility, which is the ultimate form of ~S1 (rejecting the sterile, controlled environment of the academic model).
- Skin in the Game: This book identifies the key ethical and practical tool—the Helper in the Greimassian model—that separates the hero from the villain. The hero has skin in the game. The villain—the IYI (Intellectual Yet Idiot)—is the one who gives advice based on abstract theory (S1) but is insulated from the consequences, leading others to Ruin (S2).

>>509576231
His entire philosophy is a generalization and universalization of his personal life story:

He was a practitioner—a quantitative trader—who made his career and fortune in the real-world arena of risk. From that vantage point, he watched academic economists and financial theorists with their elegant, Nobel Prize-winning models get everything wrong, leading to real-world catastrophes like the 1987 crash, the collapse of LTCM (run by "geniuses"), and the 2008 financial crisis.

His life is the ultimate "reversal" story he loves to tell: the street-smart practitioner with skin in the game (Subject) who rejected academic dogma (~S1) prevailed (~S2), while the so-called "experts" in their ivory towers (Opponent) saw their theories (S1) lead to massive failure (S2).

His writing is the act of a victor explaining why he won, and codifying that victory into a set of universal laws.

That's all there is to it.

>>509565585 (OP)
IQ is a measure of you ability to think abstractly, nothing more nothing less. It's not everything but every advancement in human history stretching back to the first homo habilis to sharpen a stick comes from this ability so it's pretty fucking important
t.140 IQ

Also the argument that fucking shapes of all things are a construction of white culture that other races can't understand is so unbelievably retarded and racist that everyone who says such a thing should be made to wear a dunce cap for the rest of their lives.

>>509565585 (OP)
Brownoids don't belong in White societies.

>>509565585 (OP)
White societies are for White people.

Ethnically cleansing White people is genocide and it's wrong.

>>509565666
checked

let me guess: he's either jewish or a huge leftists?

IQ measures intelligence as accurately as a quick glance measures height

You aren't going to get the exact measurement, but you can tell if someone is short, average height, tall, or a giant

Dumbfucks think that since it's not an exact measurement it's not useful

>>509577225
I've been saying this for years, it's one of these things that's so undeniably true that normies and leftists will start screeching and run away if mentioned

>>509565585 (OP)
IQ is a poor measure of "Intelligence" yes - the fact that ChatGPT has a higher IQ than you is proof of that.

However, the key thing Nassim Taleb is missing is that his bullshit analysis has an *endogeneity* problem.
Liberal brainrot has resulted in DEI policies (that yes, were in full swing in the sample he is using).
Of course IQ, or Intelligence generally, aren't going to correlate with academic or occupational success, when the whole system has been subverted by Jews pushing Blacks and Women into positions of influence.

>>509565585 (OP)
tested multiple time 130+, listening to normal people express themselves is very painful

>>509577468
I think the only people sperging out about IQ tests are leftist ideologues and kikes who tend to oppose anything that even comes close to quantifying racial differences. Less intelligent people, on the other hand, just laugh it off and are usually pretty self-aware about not being particularly bright.

>>509565626
Not true. Average IQs are rock bottom in some countries, yet you will find people able to solve complex real-life problems despite being nigger brained when it comes to book learning.

>>509565585 (OP)
kek it's a scatter plot
real scientists fucking laugh at scatter plots
ok good talk

what's your IQ
mine is around 105-110 I think

>>509565585 (OP)
>>509565806
If we want to say that IQ and the associated psychometrics are pseudoscience, then it's certain that we'll have to characterize every aspect of the so-called "social sciences" as pseudoscience, since the results of their measurement methods are generally far less reproducible than the results from typical culture-free IQ tests (such as Raven Progressive Matrices).

IQ is like 'Athleticism'. People who do well in one sport do well in others. A good javelin thrower does better in running and jumping than a slop who sucks at all three. The fact that a marathon runner, a darts player and a strongman have very different builds does not invalidate that for most sport activities the general bodily function because they underpin performance.

I just use Jordon Petersons definition of IQ, which is just: how much office work can you handle without nigging out

>>509565585 (OP)
IQ's have peaked 10 years ago and are slowly dropping

>>509565585 (OP)
>see these dots and this line chud??
>DEBOONKED

>>509566468
>>509567075
I agree. Prefer female dentists, but male everything else.
Had some dogshit experiences with male dentists, while the women were flawless.
Male actually broke part of my jaw with a wisdom tooth extraction, while the woman who extracted the opposite side didn't even need stitches.
Absolutely identical angle/shape based on imaging as far as I can tell without medical knowledge. She just made a few cuts and some set of oddly shaped tools to slowly pry them out. It took much longer, but again, no stitches no antibiotics.
The dude just brute forced it.

Male dentists also have a habit of telling you that "X tooth can't hurt it looks flawless" and defend that standpoint due to some ego bullshit idk., then I go to a female dentist who says "yeah it looks fine, lets do a CT to be sure" and guess what? CT shows the issue and the tooth needs fixing...
This happened more than once and not even the same guy each time.

>>509565585 (OP)
> Nassim Taleb

He's just a retarded sandnigger.

it's the midwits making the most money

>>509565585 (OP)

The most successful people who I know personally - have high IQ.

They were the best at school, then passed tests excellently, and then shined at a uni.

Now they are skilled employees with high salaries, some are business owners.

Education is a piece of dogshit, it gives nothing to people. It's a complete waste of taxpayers' money. You can omit this worthless bullshit.

IQ is the most important. A high-IQ individual with no education will succeed, middle or low IQ faggot will fail no matter how much education you will try to put into him.

>>509580379
I k lots of JEDI knights that rocked our college and tuned professional with high earnings. That’s another sleeper high IQ group.

>>509565626
This. fpbp and it isn't even close. The entire point of IQ was to sterilize retards, not predict genius. The military doesn't use IQ for placement, but they use it to filter out retards. The genetic coefficient for IQ almost is exclusively contained to low IQ populations when you get past 90 or so it stops mattering significantly. Also IQ was reformed after WW2 to be a standardized test, you can study to get a higher score, it's a near complete joke. Prior to WW2 almost everyone in the US and EU would be considered mentally retarded by modern IQ standards because of how much the testing changed.

>>509565585 (OP)
>brain has many different capabilities
>evolve independently, integrate differently
>brain is highly plastic and adapts while you are alive (not genetic adaptation)
>consciousness is not even a product of the bio-chemical brain (what?)
obviously some people are smarter than others, and have access to far more information that others (racial memory is real), but IQ like stupid entry exam tests are just racial gatekeeping mechanisms designed to create tests where certain racial groups (((whites))) perform better than average and get preferential selection

>>509579530
>Entertainer
Also it looks like the average high iqq income is 100k a year.

>>509565585 (OP)
All psychology and related social bullshit is completely full of liars and thieves
End circumcision then we can talk about meta

>>509565585 (OP)
Everything that niggers are bad at is worthless. The only thing that matters is basketball, rap, and crime.

>>509584724
Intelligence isnt a concrete concept
Exams are broken because they aren't testing a concept with any true concreteness, it was just publically believed because boomers are fools who obsess over them being better than everyone else

>>509565585 (OP)
nuh uh
this online test says I'm 150 IQ
makes me better than everyone else as I NEET in my basement

>>509565585 (OP)
>Taleb

Ignored. I've seen this retard get blown the fuck out on twitter again and again on this subject.

>>509571190
academia is like an in person reddit. a bunch of midwits felating themselves while they come up with elaborate theories for why they are massive failures in life. people in academia are failures and at the bottom of their social class and so they have the greatest amount of class resentment of the people above them and below them. le reddit high iq is creating an elaborate theory based on peer reviewed expert advise, and it is all dog shit. in real life simple solutions are much more effective. never trust (((white devils))) doesn't need any expert opinions or theories. it is verified by blood. poor people outbreed rich people because the poverty lifestyle is optimal adaptation for survival. rich people try to kill of poor people in order to eliminate their superior genetic competition and compensate for their failure to breed. such is life.

>>509585342
I'll expand on this because Talebs whole argument is that IQ doesn't matter at all in regards to how "smart" you are, which is retarded. It's the modern world which is fucked up. DEI lets low IQ people have higher more successful positions and thus, income. There are whole SWARTHS of make-work jobs for average IQ women who make spreadsheets and get paid 100k to do so. Genius level IQ people get shoved to the side because they tend to me more awkward, and thus gave Stacey, the HR woman, the "ick", so she threw his over qualified resume into the garbage. Educational achievement doesn't even fucking mean anymore because they make up retarded PHD's for 100IQ people and then shove them into the group stats with ALL PHD's.

>>509565585 (OP)
This guy is a genius, all you have to do is remove the data that disproves your claim

>>509565585 (OP)
Well I could tell at an early age that I was a genius and everyone else was functionally retarded. I come from a family of geniuses and every male in my line is beyond intelligent and capable. I've grown up around normal people and I can personally attest that most people are average at best and the ones who are below average are a problem. So if you don't want to call it intelligence, what do you want to call it that makes my genes so significantly superior to most of the other genes on earth. Why are there so many inferior people with weak minds and weak wills and why am I cursed to be among them?

>>509565626
Yep. IQ scores of like 120 and below are scarily accurate indicators of how successful people will be in life. But once you get into genius tier scores it becomes less accurate because those people often have other mental disorders too

>>509565585 (OP)
this guy is so stuck in his stats world that he argues
>look, the smartest janitors have IQs as high as the dumbest doctors!
as if that disproves the utility of IQ entirely. it’s just a predictable variance. Sure, yes, I’ll be careful to not collapse all intelligence to a scoring system. It hardly matters, considering that I can’t actually see anyone’s IQ scores unless they take an exam and show me the result… What, does he want us to walk away from this thinking that the dumbest janitors could have done just as well as the smartest doctors in that field of study?
>but becoming a doctor requires you to do well on tests, and iq is a measurement of being able to do well on tests! it’s circular reasoning to say that doctors have higher iq than janitors!
ok lol, why does that matter? would you really like to have one of the guys who got shit test scores be your doctor? you don’t think there was any difference in brain function that makes high-scoring individuals more reliable in that role than low-scoring ones?

whites should start to care about saving themselves
everything else is irrelevant, its about the survival of your tribe - you either become ethnocentric or you get exterminated

>>509565945
Bingo

>>509565585 (OP)
They have done considerable work at making that true.

Now we have retarded Indians and Chinese telling us things like they don't have the minds of children.

It's not just that high IQ people get all the answers correct, but that we also finish the test faster because all of the answers are obvious while others struggle and think about it until the time runs out. There is actually a problem that high IQ people face that this obvious superiority makes other kids jealous and angry. So geniuses are often hated by their peers who are slow and stupid.
captcha: KMSYS lol

>>509565585 (OP)
Sloppy

>>509565626
>midwits think geniuses are retarded because they cant comprehend their level of thinking.

>>509587097
Yup. Social class, language, religion, IQ, job, etc. None of that matters as much as your genetic lineage. Everything else is nonsense.

>>509587370
You've never been properly mad until you have to argue with a pajeet dentist that gold teeth/fillings are low class trash for low class people.

>>509565806
Thats retarded the WAISIV 15 subtest IQ test the standard test for APA BIG registrated psychologists build specifically to circumvent any cultural differences has the highest validity and reliability of any test within social sciences, youre just being disingenuous

>>509565585 (OP)
IQ tests are pseudoscience. IQ itself does not predict coherent thought or logical though processing, but probably has more to do with autism than anything else.

>>509565585 (OP)
Lol this retard has been on a crusade against IQ for a long time - predominantly because he tests low on IQ. No wonder this brown bong sucks Taleb's cock. Equally low IQ.

>>509588099
Why do they say shit like this but then never construct their actual argument. Okay so your statement is that it doesnt predict anything on variables coherent pattern recoqnition, yet like 6 of the 15 subtests in the WAISIV specifically test this for example Matrix reasoning, Similarities and Shape prediction (block game), all test coming to a conclusion based on preset conditions

>>509565585 (OP)
Ok now explain jewish overrepresentation

>>509565585 (OP)
IQ test results correlate almost as highly with SAT results as second administrations of SATs do. If IQ tests measure nothing, then so do SATs

>>509565585 (OP)
>Chris Chabris
>Education
>1999 Harvard University, Ph.D. in Psychology
>1997 Harvard University, A.M. in Psychology
>1988 Harvard University, A.B. cum laude in Computer Science
>With estimated replication rates ranging between 25% for social psychology and 50% for cognitive psychology (Open Science Collaboration, 2015), it became obvious that psychology suffers from a severe replicability problem.
https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2019-80290-001.html
Study and author are fake and gay

>>509565585 (OP)
>sandnigger
>the science is settled
There’s nothing more low IQ than this

>>509565585 (OP)
>IQ tests are a bad measure of intelligence
>therefore intelligence differences between races don't exist
This is what you're really inferring isn't it?

If it's not, prove me wrong by proposing a better measure.
>pro-tip: you won't because you know what any useful metric will indicate

>>509565585 (OP)
where is the actual argument that IQ doesnt exist?

>>509565585 (OP)
ARGUMENT CLOSED

BECAUSE NASSIM TALIBAN SAYS SO

PS HE IS RETARDED BUT DONT TELL HIM

reading this, you can feelin the author seething thru his words. hes so butthurt, schizoid

>observed performance is not predictive of current or future performance!!!
>i have a degree, that means im right!!!
miss me with that cum hoc ergo propter hoc accusation nigga

>>509565585 (OP)
>responses hidden
The most certain proof of someone who is right.

>>509565585 (OP)
80% of genes have an effect on the brain's structure. Race can be clearly identified by average IQ score. Niggers and communists therefore despise IQ on account of their belief in the 'blank slate', a concept so obviously absurd that you would need to be a nigger or a leftist to actually believe it.

>>509565666
isn't it the lebanese that insists they're not arabs

>>509567714
>Failure is replaced by underachievement of smart people because they just don't care as much.

This. You find a strata where you are comfortable, if you work a McJob, you mask up and just do your job competently, and that's all you do.
You don't flaunt your intelligence, and manage your affairs as to not draw undue attention.

>>509578123
This. That's why Africans inventing everything despite being retarded.

>>509571928
they are just hiding behind the fact that direct correlation between genes and IQ hasnt been discovered, so to them no amount evidence will be enough until every gene is mapped and its function is verified. for them indirect evidence never be enough.

>>509590117
Shut the fuck up and fuck off kike, nobody wants you here.

>>509590117
why arent you getting blown up in gaza right now you fucking coward.

>>509567623
>china
>104

>>509590368
>>509590418
seething thirdies

>>509576165
wtf, how is any of this science and not just mysticism?

>>509590498
Oi, Moshe, if you kept up the BBC threads they would be to busy Jacking off to insult you. Stop being a lazy kike.

>>509565945
>saar
>please allow diploma for redeeming

>>509565585 (OP)
hey alright
we can go back to the simpler times of just saying niggers are stupid because they're niggers

>>509566210
Bro you're a complete retard faggot

>>509590774
you got me

>>509590655
Checked

This is how the French discuss ideas.

>>509565626
>>509565585 (OP)
yes some people with a high IQ are actually low IQ, makes perfect sense

>>509565626
Or they just don't care and click "a" for every option to get their free pizza slice

>>509565702
You'd think jews would disapprove of pattern recognition, no? It's a requirement for noticing.

>>509590820
kek, they're just using an English spell-checker on German documentation? Cheeky rascals.

The whole thing labors from a false premise.
And it's not a coincidence Taleb basically writes
>it's been deboonked
When it comes to Plomin and the twin studies, while we writes at length about other things for his dog and pony show, because they're the most robust data we have.

So why do leftrannies constantly claim that right wing people have lower IQs while at the same time claiming that IQ is meaningless?

>>509590655
>>509591136
See ya later virgins.
Admit it! You haven't read what I wrote! Your intellectual appetite has already been filled earlier today. It's fine. Have a nice evening/afternoon. You deserved it.

>>509565585 (OP)
How is it a “swindle?”

>>509565585 (OP)
Who cares what that arab thinks

>>509565585 (OP)
>a multiple choice paper test measures innate qualities
>you cannot fool the magic test, even if someone explained how it works

You'd have to be a literal retard to believe those, and yet IQ proponents do

>>509591696
No saar.

>>509565585 (OP)
just because it's not science doesn't mean it's not valid
all medicine is a practice, not a science, but I bet you're glad we don't do trepanning and amputation as a first resort any more

>>509592827

No. It's just recycled marxism where they reject all scientific proof and attribute all social inequality to economic inequality. It's simply political ideology becoming a quasi religion. It's so boring no matter how you try to dress it up.

>>509565585 (OP)
Except, it just continues to correlate with mental performance, time after time after time.
Fuck man, just go look at India, or Africa.

>>509593149
that's the heart of marxism, and always has been

>>509593149
>with 39 the lowest individual result

>>509576302
Great analysis. Taleb is dun here

>>509591174
Rate of learning != actually knowing things
Speed of thought != logical thought or being right

>>509565798
>>509565585 (OP)
It’s the same shit every time. They try to correlate it with wealth, which always ends up being a reliable correlation up until like 125+ where they seem uninterested in the world and do something menial.
Or they cry about how it’s racist because retard 65 iq cultures have primitive inferior languages which stunt the brain because they have 15 words for the same thing but no word for calculate.

>>509593281

yeah they're basically animals

>>509565585 (OP)
That's what I've been saying for years and no one fucking listened. IQ does not correlate with intelligence. Chess ability also does not correlate with intelligence. So many dumb NPCs act as if people that are talented at chess must be intelligent.

>>509565923
Source?

>>509593562
IQ is a garbage metric which is used as food for the retarded.

>>509593376
>Skin in the game

>>509593562
>>509593716

>yeah bro IQ is meaningless better import all the 80 iq niggers
>hey why is crime going up Iq is meaningless this shouldn't be happening!

>>509593716
Great, what's your greatly superior metric? Obviously, this is a half-functioning metric that is clearly measuring something notable, or we wouldn't see any differences and you'd trust a 70IQ idiot with explosives.
Right?

>>509565585 (OP)
>the IQ argument
And what is the IQ argument? IQ tests do exist, and they do measure ones ability to complete IQ tests, don't they? Is the argument something to do with the correlation between this ability and something else? What specifically? This sounds like fucking SHITE mate

Weird how there's a lot of bots bashing IQ but providing zero arguments.

>>509565585 (OP)
I scored 130's drunk and mid 100's straight.
It's rubbish.

>>509586273
>Yep. IQ scores of like 120 and below are scarily accurate indicators of how successful people will be in life
What is success anyway? I think we can all agree that its not being a meth head in a trailer park. But living in a trailer on some low value land and spending your f time hunting and fishing isn't bad. Arguably better then being some high earning wagie living in a HOA with tons of debt

>>509594079
Neuron activity and brain structure. This can also account for the different types of intelligence.

>>509586273
120+ people just see the rat race for what it is and either numbermaxx or comfortmaxx and are equipped to make that choice

>>509593562
>>509593716
Sorry the IQ test didn't go the way you were hoping

>>509594383
And how, precisely, does one chart that without poking around in the brain, which, I hear, is generally frowned upon with living subjects unless medically required without options these days?

>>509565626
fpbp
>>509593447
good hardware doesn't preclude shit software
>>509591246
selection bias in traditionally "retarded" IQ countries is real, but an accurate measure would still be as dismal once you remove that excuse

>>509594578
Brain scans.

>>509565626
True.
If you can't figure out the one on the left you can probably not even read this, or successfully learn how to open a door.
If you can solve the one on the right you're probably completely useless in reality.

>>509565626
based
>>509565585 (OP)
sounds like propaganda because you can't handle the Bell Curve

>>509567900
>claims MENSA
>claims 135 iq

Just watch his stream for a few minutes. It does not equate to a functional individual. Debunked

>>509565666
It's because women and certain racial groups don't come out on top when IQ is tested.

>>509594755
d

>>509594755
b
because columns and rows all have to have 3 corners touched by a line

>>509579022
Ballpark

>>509578123
Plumbing baffles me too, anon.

>>509594973
>Muh anecdote
>Deboonked!
Double digit IQ detected

>>509595175
are you one of those spiral/resonance guy ?

>>509565585 (OP)
I've always known this.
I scored a fairly decent IQ but I've always known I'm actually retarded.

>>509565585 (OP)
Explains Forsen. Guys got the IQ of a goldfish but thinks he's Einstein lvl genius.

>>509595510
Artist.

>>509565585 (OP)
it's like counting calories... it's useless if you believe that 1000 calories of mayo are the same as 1000 calories of chocolate
in IQ, if someone is smart, you can measure how smart
if they're retarded, too
the problem is in the middle

>>509565585 (OP)
I know that /pol/ has forgotten IQ science and gotten dumber in the past decade, but this faggot didn't debunk the g-factor, so opinion disregarded. It is obvious that IQ is measuring some biological aspect involved with intelligence.

>>509595750
Ok I'll take that for a yes. You do realize there are plenty of people like you? I'm coming across people like you everyday. I think some kind of religion is emerging. As I said, some kind.

>>509595812
lol you fucking retard, there is no "chocolate calorie", the shit that they're made of has the caloric value and most of the same caloric sources are in both mayo and chocolate. you literally shouldn't even care about different foods or calories until you can simply lose weight by burning more calories than you eat, that's all you have to do. it doesn't matter what you eat, if you're using more calories than you take in, then you lose weight. at that point you can start caring about what type of foods and this shit is so person-specific, some people might feel like shit eating THIS, and others may feel best. each person has to get passed the caloric deficit point for it to matter though.

you faggots who pretend 3000 "good calories" will let you lose weight if you burn 1800 in a day are just retards, you literally don't get what is going on. you will not gain weight if you simply burn more calories than you eat, it's impossible

>>509596064
I'm sorry but you're the retard who thinks that the body "burns" calories
calories help your diet because at least you're counting and limiting something, but calories are bullshit, that's not how metabolism works

>>509596064
Eating 10lbs of Celeray is the same as eating 10lbs of iron rebar....

no it isnt.

>>509596064
The point isn't that the calories aren't inherently good or bad, it's the fact that those calories are attached to foods that have other nutritional properties (vitamins, minerals, proteins.) Eating 100 calories of chocolate is obviously not the same as eating 100 calories of strawberries. It's fascinating that someone would have to explain that to you.

>>509565859
It's not but current civilization made for 100 iq retards and the bar even drops to 90.
So you don't need to have a huge IQ to live in this civilization, but if you want to build a more advanced civilization, then IQ is the first barrier and the reason why we won't see any development today.

>>509565626
Depending on what you consider "high" and of course the race matters. High IQ Whites are inventors. High IQ chinks and indians etc. can't invent hardly anything.


Beyond 130 is high. Average IQ for Whites (90-115) is actually dumber than most low IQ people. I.e. a 80 IQ nigger will be more natural and intelligent than almost all midwit Whites.

I don't even consider average and below average IQ Whites as the same race as high IQ Whites. Nonwhites with high IQ are still nonWhites (i.e. soulless nonhumans. They have no divine spark and no abilities of actual humans even with high IQ).

>>509565585 (OP)
Listen, I'm just going to have to say it. English is the most spoken language in the world and hence those of English descent are the master race. Feels good to know I speak the language of my blood ancestors, while a lot of you are a conquered people also speaking the language of my ancestors kek. My brain just hit me with this absolute White pill and it feels good bros.

>>509565626
That's very true.
I have a very high IQ (189+) yet everyone on /pol/ calls me a retard.

>>509597041
The only legitimate test caps out at 160...

>>509597041
Me too, but in my case it's a legit observation.

>>509597041
same but I keep walking into glass doors

>>509565585 (OP)
>>509565626
Stupidity is not the lack of intelligence. This is often confused by the uneducated.

>>509567623
>Chicken and egg?
What is the cause and what is the consequence, though (is it even possible to tell)?

>>509567623
>We wuz rich n shieet

>medium.com

They also consider race a pseudoscience as well.


Just to be clear, they're saying IQ as a pseudoscience because it correlates with white racialism and East Asian people. It also accurately shows how integration with non-whites can lower IQ.

Most of the people in this thread are non-whites like Indians who would very much like that white people like you reading this dismiss IQ as well, for obvious reasons.

you guys realize that high iq people can detect when they are talking to low iq people, right?
we can also detect when we're talking to someone much higher iq than ourselves
t. official iq tested at top 2% when i was a teenager

>>509598484
>They also consider race a pseudoscience as well.

Which it is.

>>509565585 (OP)
What meaning am I supposed to gather from the graph?

>>509565585 (OP)
I've been telling you retards forever that IQ isn't intelligence

>>509565666
checked and keked

>>509578123
>people can't have higher IQ than their country's national average
are you retarded?

>>509566055
>Physics and philosophy major PHDs have around 130 IQ
I have a degree in physics and philosophy and I'm a fucking retard