Thread 509604356

"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
>A new study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine finds that male rats receiving oral finasteride treatment for four weeks had a 25% reduction in the weight of their penis (corpora cavernosa).
Effects of oral finasteride on erectile function in a rat model:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22375859/

>Rodents have long been the preferred species of lab animals in biomedical research, with sporadic experiments on common brown rats stemming back 150 years. Though laboratory animal research continues to pose ethical questions, particularly with respect to animal welfare, the scientific achievements linked to lab rats are innumerous. This primarily relates to the extraordinary anatomical, genetic, and physiological similarities between humans and rodents.
https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/why-rats-used-research/

Three of forty men developed bilateral gynecomastia upon ketoconazole treatment. This appears to be a direct drug effect on breast tissue."
>Gynecomastia with Ketoconazole
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC181611/

the results shown in rat testing suggest the need for human clinical trials. it should be highly concerning that preliminary trials show a large incidence and 25% shrinkage of penile tissue.
it's very well medically established that finasteride reduces the size of the prostate, which is also male reproductive tissue by 20%.
it's also very well established that penile tissue in humans is responsive to dht.
rodent studies are showing penile tissue (the same kind as prostate tissue) shrinks by roughly the same amount.
this is highly concerning.

Makes sense. My penis is quite small and I have a full head like a teenager at 36 years old.

>>509604356 (OP)
If this occurred in rats would it still occur in humans though? Why don’t they try it in like a few different animal species to cross examine the effects?

this makes me glad im an irresponsible retard that cant even remember to take a pill daily. got fin and min, tried em for a few days, and then id just forget to do the whole routine.

>>509604534
rats are the closest biological parallel for this one. it's normal for pharmacological studies to be done on them first. the results reason for concern and human trials since it is well established finasteride can shrink male reproductive tissue (the prostate) and because its well known the penile tissue is responsive to dht. finasteride puts you at castration levels of dht.

>Rodents have long been the preferred species of lab animals in biomedical research, with sporadic experiments on common brown rats stemming back 150 years. Though laboratory animal research continues to pose ethical questions, particularly with respect to animal welfare, the scientific achievements linked to lab rats are innumerous. This primarily relates to the extraordinary anatomical, genetic, and physiological similarities between humans and rodents.
https://www.kentscientific.com/blog/why-rats-used-research/

>>509604638
based.

>>509604534
They gave these rats like 1000 times the recommended dosis. So then their penis shrinks. It's like if i take a 1000 aspirines my liver is destroyed, why would anyone still take aspirines, it's poison!

>>509604356 (OP)

Just be bald.

>>509604855
we know that finasteride shrinks your prostate, which is the same type of tissue and part of the reproductive system by at minimum 20% with the doses people take for hair loss.

>>509604356 (OP)
If you genuinely took this pill for longer than a month you are fucking retarded. Literally dozens of forums talking about anhedonia and sexual dysfunction that lasted years after they got off the drug. Just admit you fell for a Jewish trojan horse.

Phew, glad I'm not a rat.

>>509604985
>Literally dozens of forums talking about anhedonia and sexual dysfunction that lasted years after they got off the drug

Impossible for the delay impact to be this lasting. Of a dht repressent no less

>>509604855
Okay, but will the aspirin shrink your dick?

>>509604985
works fine on my machine
maybe you guys need to do better idk

sorry my id changes every post i've been banned a lot for making this thread lads.

>>509605090
>Impossible for the delay impact to be this lasting. Of a dht repressent no less
the side effects are sometimes permanent with cessation.

>>509604485
Did you take the drug?

>>509605255
Are you bald(ing)? Polite question.

>>509604356 (OP)
Does it grows the tits too?

>>509605332
No need. I am also very wary of drugs.

hey guys check out the insane amount of shilling that happened after i brought this stuff up in the /fa/ balding thread yesterday: https://warosu.org/fa/thread/18473595
the janitor is sitting in there right now mass deleting any posts talking about the health risks of the meds they shill.

Why not asking a fat black woman to power such your cock untill your prostate is fully milked? Cheaper than american healthcare.

>>509604356 (OP)
Im happy to be bald. Women just know im packing heat

>>509604485
Nice

>>509605364
late 30's, i take fin with no side effects, got all my hair back. there's pics of me in that thread archive i linked a few posts up.
i just think people should know about the risks and that they can be permanent and make an informed decision knowing that. i've known people who got them and committed suicide.
when i started talking about it on /fa/ a weird shill spent two days melting down and now a janitor is deleting all your posts if you try to talk about it.

>>509605377
ketoconazole does.

>>509604356 (OP)
Imagine being a lab assistant and your job is to weigh rat dongs.

>>509604534
Most volunteers are white and whites are very similar to rats, so yes, if it happens in rats it happens to white subhumans as well

>>509605701
god i wisht hat was me
do you have a rat faced summer boyfriend yet? https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/culture/g61080396/hot-rodent-boyfriends/

>>509605240
No, and neither will the finasteride unless i take 1000 times the recommended doses. >>509604956
So where is the proof? Because all i see is one research where they gave the rats a way too big doses. Where is the research that shows you that penises shrink if you use it as recommended?

I’ve been on fin for 10 years without any side effects

>>509606023
Then explain why I have a small penis (3 cm flaccid, 16 cm erect) and a full head of hair pushing 40?

>>509606023
we know that finasteride shrinks your prostate, which is the same type of tissue and part of the reproductive system by at minimum 20% with the doses people take for hair loss.

>>509606294
You're just special baby, but you can't reproduce that in a lab.

>>509606326
Yes repeat the same statement, but now add some actual proof.

>>509604356 (OP)
It shrunk my flaccid penis size by a noticeable amount

What is more important to you anon? I’ll let you choose. Your penis size? Or your hair?

>>509606424
I'm okay with things. This is the way God made me and I am grateful for His gifts.

>>509606424
Well my penis would’ve been useless without my hair. I wouldn’t have been able to attract anyone while being bald

>>509606359
i did anon. the next step is for you to refute my statement.
it shows to shrink the penis in animal studies, and it's well established it shrinks other male reproductive organ tissue -- it's prescribed to guys with prostate problems all the time.
it's known to neuter your dht down to castration levels and dht is known to be linked with penile tissue.
there's a very high chance human trial will show similar results to rat trials and it warrants further research. all evidence shows it likely happens in humans too. as anon pointed out there are dozens and dozens of hair loss forums full of people it's happened to.

How old were rats when they were given fin?
Because we already know that males shouldn't take fin until fully developed.

>>509606568
If it was so easy to find proof for it, they would have found it by now considering there have already been numerous researches into it. And yet, 0 of these researches state that it shrinks penises.

>>509606806
The only thibg that study shows, is that fin has absolutely no effect on erection.

>>509606568
And also, no it's not my job to refute your statement you fucking retard. If i state that gravity is caused by faerie magic power, then it's not your job to refute my statement...

>>509604356 (OP)
Friendly little reminder that finasteride also prevents that same enzyme from producing GABAa, hence the depression and suicidal symptoms

>>509606294
>Then explain why I have a small penis (3 cm flaccid, 16 cm erect)
Erect is what matters and yours is average anon. And since you didn't take finasteride, I don't see the relevance

>>509606806
>Adult, male Sprague-Dawley rats were divided into four groups
first sentence of the study

>If it was so easy to find proof for it, they would have found it by now considering
considering there's all kinds of financial incentive not to?
not so sure how much blind faith i'll put into the medical industry, especially since i studied pharmacology and know how to think for myself...

Merck Researchers intentionally witheld research leading to over 40,000 deaths: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/333345573/#333345573

>There are videos of Purdue Pharma CEOs admitting before congress their company targeted White people with opioid and heroin, particularly those from small towns
>"We used Indian doctors to continue prescribing these pain medicines because it was easier; they had no connection to the locals"
>Last month a court ruled the Sackler family, a jewish migrant, will be protected from civil lawsuits
>The CEOs admitted to bringing Indian doctors into the US, providing them with work and permit visas and using them to prescribe addictive drugs to White people

>How many people have died in war? At least 108 million people were killed in wars in the twentieth century. Estimates for the total number killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion.
>Roughly 121 million unintended pregnancies occurred each year between 2015 and 2019.*
>Of these unintended pregnancies, 61% ended in abortion. This translates to 73 million abortions per year.

Texas Planned Parenthood Can Deliver Live Fetuses To Sell Body Parts, Admits: “F***ing Evil”
https://youtu.be/s1WcII0F5-A

Planned Parenthood “Lamborghini” Exec Haggles Again Over Baby Parts Prices
https://youtu.be/6LPlHjP1DVw

Second Planned Parenthood Senior Executive Haggles Over Baby Parts Prices, Changes Abortion Methods
https://youtu.be/MjCs_gvImyw

Planned Parenthood Abortionist: “Pay Attention To Who’s In The Room” To Deal With Infants Born Alive
https://youtu.be/aeINzcwb3qU

>>509607066
Friendly reminder that I started balding at 18 and I’m now 30 with a full head of hair and no side effects. I’m married and have kids. Go be bald somewhere else

>>509604356 (OP)
>anti-androgen chemicals shrink penis
What a shock. I will never understand why people take these drugs.

>>509604356 (OP)
Small dosages of it are fine

>>509607066
yes sir.

>>509606918
>And yet, 0 of these researches state that it shrinks penises
Good bait
>The tissue weights of the corpus cavernosum and prostate were reduced by 25.9% and 92.3% in group 4 compared with group 1

>>509604356 (OP)
Honestly if I ever go bald I'm just going to be bald

>>509607304
Sure. Just like SSRIs, statins, and thalidomide.

>>509607304
there's reported incidences of just trying it causing permanent side effects. the rate the side effects happen are considered common by medical definition >1%.

>>509607233
When did you start it?
Any side effects?

>>509604356 (OP)
> In rats, high doses of finasteride (far beyond what humans take)

Op is retarded

>>509607431
Source me then instead of trust me bro bs fucktard

>>509607462
this has been addressed already >>509606326 >>509606568
you are welcome to refute those statements.

>>509607457
I started at 19 I think. No side effects whatsoever. I probably would’ve ended up as an incel if I went bald that young

>>509605090
>dozens of forums
there is one and it's full of schizos you literally just check their post history, they are all insane with extreme body dysmorphia

>>509604356 (OP)
>you can't change your dick size, goy
>except the things that make it smaller
They are hiding the big dick herbs from us, aren't they?

>>509607601
happened to a friend of mine

>>509607431
> A small subset (likely <1%) reports

That’s average risk for any drug also the food you eat and micro plastics in your brain are far worse for your health Hans

>>509607151
I think flaccid matters too. Anyway, I'm fine with things.

My thinking was that I am low DHT naturally -- that the conversion rate between serum testosterone and DHT is very low in me (my testosterone levels are above average). Hence why I haven't really experienced any hair loss. Also explains why I have virtually no chest hair, arm hair, and Asian-tier beard growth I have a very deep voice though, and strong masculine features besides, which I don't know if DHT affects.

>>509607409
Why are you concerned with these drugs when you consume 50 grams of microplastics a day that causes cancer?

We've known this for decades lol, DHT is what wrecks your hair and regulates penis growth

>>509604356 (OP)
who wants rats with small cocks?

Why are jews doing this?

fuck tranny jannies and gay mods

>>509607546
I’ve been on fin for 6 years but I also overproduce DHT so my dick is fine

I think guys that bald slower tend to have dick problems

>>509607601
why do you think its 'schizo' finasteride could do this when its known a lot of psych meds have the same side effect?

>>509607665
>(likely <1%) reports
no its greater than 1% of people who get side effects from fin. 4%+ get tits from ketoconazole too.
in medical context >1% means common not 'a small subset'
that's literally the definition of a common side effect.

DHT makes ur pp big
killing DHT makes up pp smol
is this new info to some people?

>>509607546
Trump has taken it for years so I don’t believe you

>>509607774
>I think guys that bald slower tend to have dick problems
you're not the first person to notice this.

>>509607731
>tactical nihilism

>>509607546
It made my dick bigger now you’re welcome to refute that statement

>>509604356 (OP)
Baldies just need to accept their fate

>>509607798
trump serves the jew.

>>509607304
>>509607462

The dose is probably not high since finasteride quickly saturates.

>>509604356 (OP)

4 weeks is a short time, so if an adult human is taking it for longer than that and hasn't experienced dick reduction it won't happen later. Finasteride is a great drug: reduces hypersexuality, increases longevity, increases testosterone, Doesn't block DHT completely, is cheap, has nearly no side effects. What more can you ask of it? It has helped me with semen retention.

>>509607846
That isn’t an argument. The broader argument being made here is about your health and micro plastics are far worse you dumb cunt.

probably should just add QhDDJF2H to our filters boys, too obvious shill.

My benis is already 4.5" (with tight circumcision) I can't afford that

>>509607869
He’s literally banging Laura loomer at 80 years old so doesn’t look like Finn lowered his erections any

>>509607893
>reduces hypersexuality,
you mean permanent irreversible anhedonia and loss of all sexual function + desire right anon?
i think that's a better way to say it, shylock.

>>509604356 (OP)
it didnt work for me, hair stopped shedding then started falling out again almost a year in, taking it daily the whole time.

side effects I had
>cum became water
>erections nerfed, at 85% power level max
>loss of thick cum ropes blasting out my dick made nutting feel less good

they claim that DHT is a useless hormone for males past puberty but after I stopped blocking it and getting it all back its clear to me that DHT is required to feel like a man

>>509607893
The studies literally said they have rats much higher dosages. You realize even Tylenol is dangerous in high dosages right?

>>509608089
finasteride taken as theraputic doses is known to cause the prostate (male reproductive system tissue) by 20%+

>>509607546
The studies you posted use well above the recommended dose on humans.
If you don't want that side effect don't overdose on it kek. By this logic you should never take any medicine ever because all of them have adverse effects if you OD.

>>509604985
>>509604356 (OP)
>>509604485
This is hot, I'm incorporating it into my forced feminization fetish

Also
>Troon drugs cause sexual problems
No fucking shit

>>509608237
That is not what the studies you linked said.

>>509604534
It'll still occur in Jews yes

>>509605611
Take it as a compliment.
Bullshit doesn't need attention.

>>509607778
It's schizo because I have engaged with the faggots who dedicate their life to fear mongering about finasteride because they are too pussy to admit everything wrong in their life is their fault but blaming a magic pill for pity points is much easier.
The level of shoddy 'journalism' dedicated to this is a fucking joke, the BBC published this bullshit a few months ago without doing the bare minimum research in to what a psychotic manchild the guy they interviewed was.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05p1pnvymvo

Took me 20 minutes to find the guys now deleted reddit account and read his comment history to see just how mentally broken he was before he ever touched finasteride, which I then emailed to the BBC, see below 1/2

On June 23rd 2024 Kyle claims he is depressed, that his life is ruined, and that his girlfriend has left him due to his hairloss and blames minoxidil, not finasteride
https://www.reddit.com/r/minoxidil/comments/1dmut0x/minoxidil_fried_my_hair/

On Sunday August 25th 2024 Kyle on his reddit account, made a post saying that he is currently on finasteride, he will claim 6 weeks later that he stopped 12 weeks ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/minoxidil/comments/1f11x8q/comment/ljwaa2v/

On Friday September 27th Kyle claims His hair is worse, he has lost 20lbs, lost all fat from his face, his cognitive function has declined and he has depression with suicidal thoughts. He claims the only thing he did to bring about these changes was using minoxidil.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MinoxidilSideEffects/comments/1fqmrd4/fat_loss_in_face_and_dark_sunken_eyes_pale_skin/

On Wednesday 9th October 2024, Kyle claims it has been 3 months since he stopped finasteride, contradicting the above post on August 25th 2024
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/1fzsf6n/3_months_in_and_getting_worse/

>>509608059
All that happens because GABAa is a neurotransmitter involved in sexual stimulation, ability to feel pleasure, and ability to relax, and 5-alpha reductase the target of fin is critical to making enough GABAa

>>509608340
Disturbing. Maybe you should know that I have always been pretty fat and big-boned, which probably explains a lot relating to my flaccid penis size, I just realized.

>>509608628
2/2
On Saturday November 2nd Kyle claims he used finasteride for 6 months, not the 6 weeks you quoted in your article. In this thread Kyle also claims finasteride caused him to lose bone density. There is not a single piece of medical literature supporting this claim.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/1ghzm7m/i_need_some_hope/

On Tuesday November 26th, Kyle posts in the post-finasteride subreddit about his beard hair thinning. Even the other users there, who all claims to have suffered long term effects from finasteride, tell him his behaviour is highly irrational and there is nothing noteworthy happening. It is a common theme every time Kyle posts a picture showing his 'severe and drastic changes' that other users tell him the pictures show nothing different and he should seek mental health guidance.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/1h0i9j3/why_does_it_change_the_hair_and_face_this/

4 days Later on November 30th Kyle claims 70% of his beard fell off in 3 days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/1h3eir6/comment/lzrkdjb/

On Sunday December 1st, Kyle once again demonstrates his extremely limited medical knowledge by referring to finasteride as transgender pills that turned him in to a woman.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FinasterideSyndrome/comments/1h3zldg/turned_ourselves_into_females/

These are the pioneers of the post finasteride community I have visited tranny and furry communities that had bigger balls than these faggots I have never met a bigger bunch of whiny cry baby faggots in my life. Every single one of them has a post history like this. I actually wish finasteride did make people kill themselves do they'd all fucking get it over with.

I am 39 with no hairloss or a receded hairline and I have a 9 inch cock, But I haven't had sex in 18 years because I'm a mentalcel

it's all in your mind, balding is not a death sentence, as long as you're >5/10 women will be sexually attracted to you

>>509604356 (OP)
Good. I hate it when my wife sneaks a lusty peek at my rat's enormous penis and smacks her lips. "You just know."
I wonder about the poor lab tech who had to make measurements on aroused rats for this study.

>>509608052
Thanks god i take dutasteride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yb_uu9eq64

>>509608651
Flacid size is irrelevant especially with circumcision.
The penis is supposed to retract and be small when not in use. If a guy has a stroke or nerve damage from surgery this shrinking effect will stop and them just always be long flacid.
Same thing will happen with water prune effect on fingers, nerve damage will make your fingers never prune up again.

Also why is it disturbing?
You don't think a big man keeping you in a cage and forcefeeding you troon pills so you'll be his cute fuck toy is hot?

>>509607935
Circumcision at birth is known to reduce it up to half an inch

>>509604356 (OP)

Been on fin for 4 years now, dick still gets rock hard and still the same size. These side effects are rare at best. Stop with the horse shit scare tactics already.

>>509610234
t. Finastride stock owner

shill roundup.
notice everything they say is medically inaccurate or was already answered before in this thread?

>>509608255
it shrinks the prostate 20%+ in doses humans take. both are reproductive tissue.

>>509608347
>The prostatic volume had decreased by at least 20 percent in 43 percent of the men given 5 mg of finasteride after 6 months of treatment and in 49 percent after 12 months.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199210223271701

>>509608599
these side effects absolutely do need attention drawn to it.

>>509604356 (OP)
chlorine dioxide does the job without trooning

Since you need Estrogen for hair, skin and eyesight i wonder if you could just take DHEA which mostly converts into estrogen to make up for the lack of estrogen. The benefit is that you would also have more estrogen in your system.

DHT and its relevant steroid equivalents are known to block estrogen.

>>509610540
How does this effect receiving buttsex though?

not a shill just a normal reply:

>>509609851
stretched flaccid size determines your max penile length but erection quality is also a factor as well.
you're half right half wrong (saying it doesn't matter)

shill roundup 2:

>>509608628
that's fine but i posted pictures of my full hairline recovery in that other thread and i'm not a redditor so i don't understand how this refutes any of my points...?

>>509610234
>These side effects are rare at best.
they happen in more than 1% of cases.
ketoconazole causes irreversible breast growth in 7.5% of men.
side effects with >1% incidence are considered common medically.
why are you calling common side effects rare?

>>509610631
Benefit is that you would also have more testosterone*

>>509610631
>i wonder if you could just take DHEA which mostly converts into estrogen to make up for the lack of estrogen.
same i wonder if there's any way to get around the blocking dht fucks with your dick dilemma. i would love if finasteride didn't have these risks and if they weren't so hardcore. it sure works good when it does.

>>509609906
Yeah I'm pretty sure that happened. When hard my balls (and skin) ride up the shaft

>>509604356 (OP)
THIS NEWS MEANS NOTHING, IS THERE A DRUG THAT INCREASES PENIS SIZE INSTEAD

>>509604356 (OP)
>study only mentions oral ketoconazole causing gyno
No one takes ketoconazole pills for balding, they use the topical nizoral shampoo.
Take 2 seconds to read the study before posting it next time

>>509610828
that's a common circumcision complication. they took too much skin off at the cutline. un ironically jelq and do foreskin restoration with hand stretches for a year then get a gravity/leg strap device after about a year of that. my friend fixed his, i'm thinking about it too.
the reddit board for this stuff actually has solid info.

>>509604356 (OP)
>>509607778
Dumbasses, why are you eating finasteride and ketoconazole? They both come in topical shampoo form. inb4 you try to say that shampoo caused you to grow tits. You guys are hypochondriacs

I took dutasteride for more than 10 years, well it may be a coincidence but i look ridiculously young at 39 and have 0 grey hair, may be supplements too. i some grey hair that disappeared for whatever reason after i started it.

>>509604956
>we know that finasteride shrinks your prostate
Yeah, when your prostate is ballooned up due to significantly increased DHT sensitivity.

>>509610806
You could honestly half dose it. When it comes to anti estrogens/anti androgens for cancers it is generally recommend to take a much smaller dosage. When on steriods they break up the dosage of a pill into 3's or 4's and then have it spread throughout the week every other day.

DHEA would be working in another direction entirely by making you produce more estrogen and testosterone due to the down stream hormonal cycle.

I also wonder if your body due to the high DHT is forcing you to produce a different estrogen. DIM is known to convert estrogens from one to another so maybe the blocking mechanism that DHT has is causing it to convert another way.

>>509610932
>No one takes ketoconazole pills for balding, they use the topical nizoral shampoo.
>Take 2 seconds to read the study before posting it next time
i did read the study anon.
the difference between topical and oral dosage is that dosing topically skips the liver. why do you think skipping the liver in metabolism would make ketaconazole cease to have a direct drug effect on breast tissue?
i don't understand the the mechanics behind that one could you explain it for us?

>>509611126
where are these pharma shills coming from all the sudden?
>The prostatic volume had decreased by at least 20 percent in 43 percent of the men given 5 mg of finasteride after 6 months of treatment and in 49 percent after 12 months.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199210223271701

>boss can i go home?
>have all the rat dicks been weighed?

>>509611147
Ketoconazole shampoo works by washing away DHT from your scalp and inhibiting DHT production and reducing inflammation locally in your scalp, which is what matters for baldness. Topical ketoconazole isn't associated with gynecomastia. Look it up.

>>509611136
>I also wonder if your body due to the high DHT is forcing you to produce a different estrogen. DIM is known to convert estrogens from one to another so maybe the blocking mechanism that DHT has is causing it to convert another way.
there's new studies suggesting the stress/anxiety link may be a lot bigger than previously expected as well. they're doing human trials on strategically placed botox injections to relieve scalp tension and finding it regrows temples (notoriously stubborn) in a little under a third of guys.
skill curve to placing the injection and knowing who's a good candidate seem to be the limiting factors.
my pet theory is there's multiple things causing the increase in prevalence of balding in people.

>>509604356 (OP)
i could use some penis shrinkage, mine is too big

>>509611303
Work in a hospital for a change and all of the nurses talk about big slongs and giant balls almost for a full hour daily.

>>509611256
Do you just search for abstracts that contain a specific passage that supports your claim without bothering to read a single word further? That study concerns BPH, the exact medical condition I referenced and a nontypical condition. It's what fin was designed to treat before the hair shit got discovered. How are you going to call anyone else a shill when you're this transparently motivated.

>>509606023
Near flat dose-response curve above .5mg

Using 1,000 times the human mg/kg equivalent for a study is a bit sloppy though

>>509611147
>ketoconazole does not appear to be appreciably absorbed systemically following topical application to skin or scalp
>2% shampoo: Chronic use of 2% shampoo (4–10 times weekly for 6 months, 2–3 times weekly for 3–26 months) did not result in detectable plasma concentrations.
https://www.drugs.com/monograph/ketoconazole-topical.html#:~:text=Ketoconazole does not appear to,Extent

>>509610962
I actually tried t taping twice but ended up tearing skin both times after 2 weeks, I need to learn to not use too much tension. Why'd you get circumcised anyway?

>>509611523
Another pet theory from experience wearing long socks all of my life is that there coping mechanism of wearing hats and especially beanie's only makes there problem worse. If they just buzzed it down it would reduce the hair getting pulled out which we know will remove the hair completely from the area such as unibrows and other odd hairs.

there are alot more factors in play but i am placing it on the lack of estrogen in the system first.

>>509611476
thats some bullshit i was literally using it as bodywash at some point, the 2% (it was over over the counter). i gave up up on it.

>>509611552
>That study concerns BPH, the exact medical condition I referenced and a nontypical condition.
bph (benign prostatic hyperplasia) means enlarged prostate anon.
finasteride is widely used to treat enlarged prostate because it's very well established that it shrinks your prostate (male genital tissue) by 20%.
hey what a coincidence the same amount rodent studies are suggesting it may shrink our dicks.
you appear to be using a cointelpro shill tactic known as signal jamming where you spam inane weak arguments in attempt to derail away from productive conversation.

>>509611047
Yeah, it's impossible for a lipophilic compound to get absorbed into your body.
Dumb ass hypochondriacs btfo

>>509611750
they say "hats don't cause hairloss goy" but it's going to for sure make you more prone to getting sebderm and alopecia because sweat and clogged pores and oil buildup and sebum buildup (linked to dht levels in scalp) and people don't wash their hats enough and a lot of hats are made out of polyester and some of them they even coat in pfas forever chemicals.
yeah i think it's somewhat a case of 'death by a thousand cuts'

>>509611583
I believe Ketoconazole shampoo works for balding. I've been off fin and min for years and my NW2 hair hasn't changed a bit. All I do now is two applications of Nizoral per week. If I start losing my hair again, then I'll just use topical fin since it doesn't get absorbed as much as the oral stuff does

>>509611958
anon i hope you're being sarcastic. your jpeg says topical dht application can reduce blood serum levels up to 70%.

topical fin application**

>>509612011
i use nizoral. never said i don't.

>>509611872
>continuing to be deliberately obtuse
I accept your concession. I hope you're being paid well for this.

I just finished tapering off this stuff. Luckily my male potency returned. It was a much harder processed than I anticipated. I would never take anything like this again.

>>509611750
hat wearers my suggestion would be to buy several machine washable 100% cotton twill hats, wash them every wear or two, rotate hats so you're not washing all the time.
dad caps and such are fine to throw in the wash with a garment bag.

>>509604356 (OP)
Finasteride inhibits DHT, which is the hormone responsible for hair loss (if you have the mutation for hair loss in your DNA). However, DHT is also responsible for growing the penis. Supposedly, DHT is much less important once you reach adulthood, but it is logical to assume that there would be negative consequences to the penis by inhibiting DHT.

I used topical minoxidil (pic related) to treat my "bald spot pattern" hair loss, and it worked wonders! The only side effect that I experienced was an itchy scalp every now and then.

>>509612321
anon you're literally being obtuse. you're claiming that finasteride does not shrink the prostate in humans. that's just wrong, everyone knows they give it to old guys with prostate cancer.

>>509612517
I implied that fin does not shrink the prostate of healthy men in non-1000x doses. Then he posted a study indicating that fin shrinks ballooned up prostates of people with conditions making their prostates massively oversensitive to DHT exposure. He's the one trying to conflate people with DHT sensitivity conditions with the healthy population. All I'm saying is that it's a suspiciously shilly rhetorical tactic he's employing. The fact that he's tripping over himself to call everyone else a shill off the bat should tell you everything you need to know about what he's up to.

>>509612183
>anon i hope you're being sarcastic.
I would never

>>509612386
careful with psych meds too, they do a lot of the same things. not in terms of the pharmacokinetics but the side effects and permanence and difficulty to get off them. they get prescribed off label for random non-psychiatric uses a lot. you could go in the hospital with nausea and be given a psych med that makes your dick stop working. antipsychotics are very commonly used off label this way.

>>509612785
the standard dose to treat an enlarged prostate is 5mg finasteride daily. that's not a 1000x dose anon.
the rat study about penises uses a 1000x dose.
but again i will state again you fucking obvious shill retard:
finasteride in normal doses used for hair loss is known to shrink the prostate, another part of the male reproductive system by a minimum of 20% often more.

>>509612798
knew i shouldn't have replied and left that one. i have shill fatigue :(

>>509604356 (OP)
we need to keep our hairs bros

>He's the one trying to conflate people with DHT sensitivity conditions with the healthy population.
dht sensitivity is considered medically common though anon. you speak of it like a ultra rare thing. you should know really basic stuff like how a common side effect is medically defined if you're the expert, right?

>>509604855
Lier

>>509612919
>finasteride in normal doses used for hair loss is known to shrink the prostate
In patients diagnosed with BPH, which is a condition defined by irregular growth of the prostate. Let me guess, when I ask for any study from any publication showing 5ar inhibitors in typical doses causing shrinking of healthy prostates you're suddenly going to change the subject and refuse to give me one?

>>509605785
This is actually a hilarious angle. But non-whites probably won’t think of it.

I normally lurk and I know there's no way any of you would take me seriously, but I take finasteride mostly daily if I don't forget, I'm 27 now and have been since 20. I have had the same ~7 inch penis since high school, it hasn't changed size, I have sex with zero erectile dysfunction and satisfactory ejaculation with my girlfriend 3-5 times a week, and probably am beating my meat 1-2 times a day if she isn't around. I am in decent shape, take tongkat ali and maca, eat not at all cleanly, and smoke weed daily. I have a full head of hair, and the last T blood test I got was 907 ng/DL, though I did have slightly high Free T at 160.4 pg/ml.

All this to say, yeah sometimes medications have bad complications, and that's more than likely whose going to be upset enough to make a post about it online. Combining that with some study where they gave the rats so much finasteride they effectively castrated them is just confirmation bias. Idk if I'm playing into the jews hands or not but at this point I don't really care, I have heavy genetics of male pattern baldness and my hair is better than it was when I was 20 and started taking it. I recognize I get a decent bit of pretty privilege in the world and I'm not going to willingly throw it away without actual concrete evidence that can contradict my lived experience, especially if its just the rantings of jaded baldcels who can't accept they actually could've done something about it

>>509604855
>>509613136
>1000 times
same lie as the /fa/ thread.
meaning it's the same shill from a whole different board.
interesting notice huh?
paid shill we're talking to.

>>509613256
the nhs says it shrinks your prostate https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/finasteride/common-questions-about-finasteride/
you don't need a medical condition for it to do that sorry, you could just google this one or ask your doctor next time its common knowledge.
you come off as a 90iq brown third world shill. most people in first world developed countries know finasteride shrinks the prostate.

>>509613485
>Combining that with some study where they gave the rats so much finasteride they effectively castrated them is just confirmation bias.
same fin worked fine for me. but i know a guy who committed suicide from it.
its like a 1 in 100 dice roll if you get fucked or not.
it works great if you don't.
people should know its russian roulette before going in. your doctor and mine should have told me that as well. there's no argument to really be made against educating people.

>>509613552
>once again quotemines a narrow passage to try to support his position while struggling to ignore the context that the entire article is concerning the treatment of enlarged prostates in the first place
I'll add this thread to my watchlist and see if anyone produces a study before the thread 404s or is pruned but I'm not holding my breath. Later retards.

>>509613816
>I'll add this thread to my watchlist and see if anyone produces a study before the thread 404s or is pruned but I'm not holding my breath. Later retards.
the adventures in the 90-95iq man who's trying to convince people finasteride, a medicine originally used to treat enlarged prostates does not shrink the prostate.
huzzah!

>>509604356 (OP)
but at least your hair grows back kek
big pharma are pure evil

Even 5mg is nothing, i was popping proscar like candies, felt nothing. no side effects 0. i did feel the effect with dutasteride though. strange that it fixed my oily skin, and back acne i suffered from it throughout adulthood, dutasteride fixed it for some reason. but gave face acne, which i never had in my life. it was strange.

pp405

>>509604356 (OP)
small feminine penis

>>509604356 (OP)
....

>>509604356 (OP)
just shave it to a 6 o’clock shadow length
no need to go serpent mode

>>509604485
Bitch nigga I have a full head of hair like a teenager at 36 too, and I have a 9 inch cock.

I was prescribed 1% ketoconazole shampoo for dandruff. How fucked am I?

>>509614446
fin's the one that's more worrysome. ket's probably fine.

>>509614026
The pharma shill goes to great lengths to minimize the fact that the study linked by OP contains a passage describing effects on penis tissue

Here's another :
>Penile vascular abnormalities in young men with persistent side effects after finasteride use for the treatment of androgenic alopecia
https://tau.amegroups.org/article/view/39898/html
>inb4 coincidence

>>509613136
Looks like human dose is 1-5mg per day, with 1 being more common for hair loss, so it was in fact more like 400 times the recommended human dose.

I still think its bad and fin is risky generally based on what I have heard, but still the dutch anons point is correct even if he is exaggerating.

>>509614374
>uses "Bitch nigga" lgbt slang unironically
>9 inch cock
Ask me how I know you're full of shit

>>509604356 (OP)
The ketoconazole was taken orally. Shouldnt be a problem topically. Its kind of a shit antibiotic internally, and Id worry about its propensity to liver damage over growing bigger man tits.

>>509614823
5mg/day shrinks the prostate and they're both reproductive system tissue. there needs to be a human study with typical doses done. and i would approach with caution until then.
>but still the dutch anons point is correct even if he is exaggerating.
the weird thing is its the exact same exaggeration the shill on /fa/ made.
what are the odds?
throws everything he's saying into question if he's been posting on a 9est to 3est work schedule for multiple days on a whole different board.. starts to seem like a paid shill.

>>509604356 (OP)
Got topical fin, used it for a month. My hairline was coming back, I was so happy.
Then suddenly, one day, just a dead dick.
I've never ever had a problem getting my dick hard before. I have strong throbbing erections.
But fin made my dick fucking DEAD. Reduced sensation. I immediately stopped taking it. Took 3-4 days for things to go back to normal.

Holy shit that was fucking scary.
I'm at a norwood 2 right now, just receding at the temples. But if had to choose between a dead dick or a bad hairline, I guess I'm going with the bad hairline. It fucking sucks too because it was totally working to restore my hairline. But yeah, wake up one day to the idea that I may have accidentally chemical castrated myself? Yeah, no, not worth it. Age gracefully, folks. Take it in stride.

>>509614753
Oral ket is a borderline tranny drug

Topically it's "probably fine"

>>509614753
>>509615497
I stopped using it months ago because it smelled so bad. I started using pic related. It works and my hair smells great. Also don't wash your hair with hot water.

>>509615055
i'll take the bit about ket out of the next thread, i agree it's a weaker case.
its pretty common advice for sebderm to wash your neck & face with ket shampoo because sebum and oil will make its way back to your scalp if you don't get it off your whole head not just the scalp. does make for concerns about getting it on your chest if careless. i wonder how much nizoral lather getting on your chest chronically could potentially cause issue, since it's known to act on breast tissue? i doubt it would do anything but i always err on the side of caution with these questions.

I stupidly took finasteride for 5 years and tried to cope that the side effects were not a big deal. Low libidio, ED, watery semen etc.

I quit 2 years ago and thankfully I'm mostly back to normal. It's only recently that my semen has turned thick and gooey again. The most surprising thing is I've kept my hair after quitting.

>>509615485
>I immediately stopped taking it. Took 3-4 days for things to go back to normal.
>Holy shit that was fucking scary.
bullet dodge.
bro just embrace. learn how to style your shit and make it look good until it progresses to the point you shave it off. that's what dudes used to do instead of taking a bunch of drugs. balding is only a problem if you have a soft face AND can't grow a beard. if you have a weak beard or bad coverage on the cheeks and don't get sides from topical min, it can convert vellus hairs -> terminal.

>>509615741
i'm at the point where i'm about to just start making my own shampoo, conditioner, leave-in, and styling products. we were discussing this on /fa/ earlier where an anon was asking chatgpt about scalp and pore irritants in his shampoos he used in the last few years and everything was scoring bad.
the fragrances most commonly used in shampoo are all irritants (in only some people but each product has like 10 of them in them) and linked to alopecia.

im just getting into it but theres there's websites and tons of resources that explain all the common ingredients in hair products, what kinds you should use for what hair/scalp types and issues, what all the additives are and why they're added, how much of it to use, etc. you don't need a chemistry background to understand it.
and there's a bunch of websites that sell all the ingredients, when i was pricing stuff out my $20 sea salt spray that i use would cost me a bit over $30 to make 4L of the exact same stuff with leftovers of some of the ingredients. and i get to leave out the preservatives (mix it in batches as needed) and fragrance.
learning curve isn't much higher than figuring out what off the shelf product works in your hair anyways.

shit the way i plan to approach it is
>buy off the shelf product to see if i like the recipe
>clone it w/ some trial and error a lot of stuff already has clone recipes online too
>swap the harmful ingredients for ones that do the same thing and aren't, or exclude them if they're not necessary

>>509608340
Based degenerate

>>509604356 (OP)
>taking (((drugs))) to appear younger
The feminization of men marches on unhindered.

>>509604985
I stepped up to dutasteride to save my hair, my dick still works completely fine, no changes to anything. Don't know why this is such a boogeyman all the time, it's like worrying about the dangers of caffeine or other benign things.

>>509604356 (OP)
Fin is poison. It wreaks havoc on your gut flora, sometimes apparently irreversibly.

>>509604356 (OP)
Rat penis shrinkage bros.... it's over.

Sorry but i think i’ll stick with my 9.5 inch cock and thinning crown..

Ps most women i fuck always tell me it’s extremely attractive that i dont convert to another bald idiot because of thinning or balding . Thats the secret / just dont give a fuck and own that shit , shaving your head because you lost hair is a bitch move - our ancestors didnt give a fuck and neither should you

>>509604356 (OP)
I am in ugly bastard mode, full Norwood 6 in mid 20's. I am also fat and my penis is 20cm at maximum power. Just embrace that shit.

>>509617467
How would a drug even cause a penis to shrink, it makes no sense, the flesh doesn't just dissolve. Why would you willingly just let your hair fall out? The only regret I have from taking it was not using it sooner so my hair would be thicker than it is now.

>>509617613
>How would a drug even cause a penis to shrink,
Well Mountain dew did. Didn't it.

>>509604356 (OP)
Stop being a pussy and take that Dut pill. Fin isn’t strong enough.

>>509617263
the only reason i'm cool with taking fin is i'm a bisexual twinklord. my dick got slightly shorter and girthier but it wasn't small to begin with and nothing else negative happened. 6.5 -> 6 is no biggie, accurate numbers most people exaggerate their dick length 20-25% online i don't. if anything fin made my dick nicer because my lengths fine but the girth's nice to have. never measured that shit but it fills my hand. i've been on fin probably 10? 11? years at this point.
but at the same time no one told me the risks when i went on it. would have sucked to get them eh? my doctors and everyone online said there's no risks just take it goy!! and that's a problem.
i tend to think about other people before myself. and consider that not everyone is me or in the same situation in life as me. some people have a hard time detaching from, "fin worked great for me! that much be everyone's experience!" and only considering their own circumstances.

>>509617467
yup exactly. if you're some fag bottom then the physiological side effects probably don't matter much. the possible mental side effects still could. but if you're hung like a horse you can just wear grey sweatpants and nobody is going to care you're bald(ing.)

>>509617915
ehh that last 10% isn't worth it.

>>509617613
How would a drug even cause a penis to shrink, it makes no sense,
there's all kinds of drugs that make the penis shrink. an example would be mtf hormone replacement therapy and how it changes the shape of the blood vessels of the penis making the dick shorter and wider. same thing fin did to me to a lesser extent. medicine that affects blood presure also commonly will affect erect penile length, and shorter erect penile length over time can cause stretched (limp) penile length to decrease over time due to less elasticity/stretching. drugs that cause you to get less boners and ed chronically can cause your erections to be smaller as well for the same reason.

I'm fully convinced that it's just one severely mentally ill faggot spamming in this thread using VPN's talking to himself as if it's different people.
Different countries, different flags, same way of writing, same manner of speech. I think I've seen this lunatic on /fa/. Probably got banned/filtered there and started posting on /pol/.
Finasteride didn't cause your mental disorder, you were already a genetic failure before. Just do it.

Can confirm my penis is slightly number and I feel a little more retarded/down. I think Finasteride does do these things but it's at like 5-15%, but in susceptible people this might be enough to make fall over the edge into depression and whatnot.

>>509618656
right at the top of the thread:
>sorry my id changes every post i've been banned a lot for making this thread lads.
i'm not "the only anon" it's pretty easy to tell which posts are mine you dumbass predditor.

>>509604356 (OP)
>25% reduction in the weight of their penis.
Nice job you have there, big pard. Who the fuck weighs rat penises?
>Hey Larry, today you're going to cut 150 rat dongs off their carcasses and weigh them.

>>509619090
I don't know what went wrong in your life, but I hope you find peace at some point.
It makes me worry that there are men around me like this who may appear as regular everyday people.
This is insane.

>>509619090
this is how i know nick is right

>>509619232
we're civilized. we only cut off helpless little baby and rodent dicks.

>>509619346
what's "insane" shill?
are you sure you're on the right bulletin board? isn't that what redditors and leftists say when they have no argument and something upsets them? they just call everyone they don't like crazy?

>>509617467
Based

>>509607792
smol pp best pp

>>509608340
It's a damn shame that femme troons and their female succubus friends hypnotizing men into forced feminization is just a fantasy, I would sign up to be experimented on.

>>509619633
With the amount of times you mention reddit it's safe to assume you are perma online there on all balding pages. 100%

I'm not shilling anything, I'm just pointing out that dedicating your entire existence as a man TO THIS, is insane. You need to hear this.
But whatever,I have no business taking this any further, it's stupid of me to engage with you. I feel pitty is all.
Best of luck, hope you get better.

>>509604356 (OP)
>>509604485
Guies?!

Should new born baby girls need finastride and other crap for hair loss?

>>509604356 (OP)
How do they weigh rat cocks? Do they cut them off and put them on a little penis scale?

>a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient. Maimonides – himself an illustrious physician – is quite explicit on this; in another passage18
>According to the Halakhah, the duty to save the life of a fellow Jew is paramount.14 It supersedes all other religious obligations and interdictions, excepting only the prohibitions against the three most heinous sins of adultery (including incest), murder and idolatry.
>As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved, although it is also forbidden to murder them outright. The Talmud itself15 expresses this in the maxim ‘Gentiles are neither to be lifted [out of a well] nor hauled down [into it]’. Maimonides16 explains: ‘As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war… their death must not be caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued, for it is written: “neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow”17 – but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow.’ In particular, a Jewish doctor must not treat a Gentile patient. Maimonides – himself an illustrious physician – is quite explicit on this; in another passage18 he repeats the distinction between ‘thy fellow’ and a Gentile, and concludes: ‘and from this learn ye, that it is forbidden to heal a Gentile even for payment…’.

source:
https://matzpen.org/english/1981-10-10/the-jewish-religion-and-its-attitude-to-non-jews-appendix-israel-shaha
14. Shulhan ‘Arukh, ‘Hoshen Mishpat’ 426.
15. Tractate ‘Avodah Zarah, p26b.
16. Maimonides, op cit, ‘Murderer’ 4, 11.
17. Leviticus,19, 16. Concerning the rendering ‘thy fellow’, see note 14 to Part-2, Khamsin 8.
18. Maimonides, op cit, ‘Idolatry’ 10, 1–2.

>>509620993
do they wear a glove when they jack them off?

>TIMELINE: How the 1991 Crown Heights riots unfolded
>A station wagon driven by Yosef Lifsh, hit another car and careened onto the sidewalk at 8:21 p.m. Monday, August 19, 1991.
>Lifsh was part of a three-car motorcade carrying the now-deceased spiritual leader of the Lubavitcher Hasidic community, Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, home from a weekly police-escorted visit family at their Queens gravesites.
>The station wagon crushed two black children, 7-year-old cousins Gavin and Angela Cato.
>Within minutes, an ambulance from the Hasidic-run Hatzolah ambulance service and two from the city's Emergency Medical Service arrived.
>An angry crowd gathered. Cops radioed for backup, reporting that the station wagon driver and passengers were being assaulted. Officer Nona Capace ordered the Hatzolah ambulance to remove the Hasidic men from the scene.
>The children went by separate city ambulances to Kings County Hospital. Gavin Cato was pronounced dead; his cousin survived. A rumor quickly spread that the Hatzolah ambulance crew had ignored the dying black child in favor of treating the Jewish men.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot

>According to the Halakhah, the duty to save the life of a fellow Jew is paramount.14 It supersedes all other religious obligations and interdictions

>As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved
>As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved
>As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved
>As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must not be saved
Avodah Zarah, p26b. https://www.sefaria.org/Avodah_Zarah.26b

this jewish belief comes from the 'rabbi and the ladder' story you may have heard before.
and if you scroll up from that part of the talmud it basically reads:
>No! Lies will bring us closer to our father satan than money! Therefore the jew should lie and let the goy die than save him for shekels!

as you can see i used nothing but jewish primary religious sources (the talmud) to come to this conclusion.

>>509604356 (OP)
>"Research finds finasteride causes penis shrinkage in rats"
Unlike the rest of faggots here i take dutasteride so I'm good

>>509623069
>Studies have found penile shrinkage and other sexual dysfunctions to be a side effect of finasteride and dutasteride, common anti-baldness medications.
>Control groups that received dutasteride (C + D) or finasteride (C + F) showed a reduced cross-sectional penile area (39.4% and 40.1%, respectively) compared to Group C.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6116690/

>>509623069
>>509623447
Kek

>>509615485
it's the same with blood pressure medications. the label and "studies" show ED is rare, like 5% of patients

in reality both finansteride and blood pressure medications 80% of of men get some degree of erectile issues with them

same with adhd meds and ssri

>>509604485
How small?

>>509604356 (OP)
Oh my God! I have to stop feeding that stuff to my rats. No wonder they're not packing.

I can't imagine being gay and vain enough to take hair pills. Honestly pathetic. If you're at that stage people probably already notice so what's the point? Donating an additional portion of your paycheck to Jews through pharmaceuticals?

>>509623447
I have a big dong almost 40 cm i don't mind losing on 1 cm per year for the rest of my life