MAGAts want PhDs to be restricted to the elites. They don't want PoCs to be educated.

>>509611292 (OP)
My BSc cost me $10.5K. My masters cost me just under $13K. I did both in the evenings and weekends while I was working full time

How are people this fucking stupid?

>>509611568
Doesn't the UK unironically have much cheaper tuition compared to the states, though?

>>509611292 (OP)
Maybe it shouldn't be pay2win and they start creating a system that filters people for sucking at their vocation rather than one that tries to get blood from a stone.

>>509611292 (OP)
>500,000 dollars for pieces of paper

>>509611785
They are prices you can get in the US. Thats why I posted dollar amounts. I did my BSc before I moved to the UK and my masters when I got here

US Ivy League profit margins are in the region of 8-9000%. Even state colleges come in at close to 1000% profit margins. Take the profit margin out of the equation and do self study with access to a mentor for the periods when you struggle, if you struggle

>>509611292 (OP)
these retards dont understand that cost will collapse the instant the loans do.

>>509611785
You can get your bachelor's cheap if you don't go to retarded over priced schools. University of South Florida is like $2k a year for in state residents.

>>509611292 (OP)
I didn’t even go to college and I have more than this saved in investments. What the fuck is the point of a PHd other than confirm the person getting it has Down syndrome levels of iq?

>>509611292 (OP)
i don't remember how much my bs cost, but they paid me to get a masters and phd.
the stipend is garbage, but it's better than owing something at the end.
only a fool would pay for a masters or phd.

>>509612252
Yeah but who gives a fuck about University of South Florida lmao

>>509611292 (OP)
what? i thought you get paid to do a PhD. at least i think that's how it worked for comp sci when i was in school.

>>509611568
Most people who go to University do so for pseudointellectual reasons. They think that by going, people will think they are intelligent and refined. The Ivy League schools are particularly rife with this.

>>509612286
>What the fuck is the point of a PHd?
you won't get funding for your research without one.
you can apply, there's no written rule that says so, but your competition is all going to be phds and you will lose.
simple as.

>>509611292 (OP)
I want everybody who's fit for education to be educated. This somehow happens to exclude mostly niggers.

Having no limit on loans means that there is no limit to how much a degree should cost.

>>509611292 (OP)
Intradasting. They brought me in as a research assistant, gave me a free MA and PhD, and paid me a stipend every month.

>>509612389
>who gives a fuck about university of south florida?
if you get a graduate degree, no one cares about your bachelors.
the same as no one cares about your high school once you get a bs.

>>509611292 (OP)
Why do you need a PhD?

>>509612453
He’s over a half million in debt. At the point who the fuck cares about a stupid click g research paper. He’s never going to retire because that debt will eat away at any compound interest he could be making instead of paying interest on a loan.

>>509612136
Off topic but why did you move to the UK?

I'm forklift certified

Cost: I was paid to get it

>>509612613
>At the point who the fuck cares about a stupid click g research paper.
...that's the point of getting a phd--to do research.
if he doesn't care about doing research, then why did he get a phd?
what a massive waste of time.

>>509611568
They take out loans not just for school, but shopping, vacations, uber eats everyday, restaurants

Y'all we don't need none them devil colleges anywho. They're a scam specially those "phds". Mosta them 'doctors' are tryna kill ya, do your own research.
We oughta be telling them young men to go out and become plumbers I tell ya what. They'll be making more money than anyone with a phd without going into debt.

>>509612389
Once you realize that undergraduate degrees all teach the same things because of their accredation, it makes no sense to pay more to go somewhere else. Nobody really cares where you get your degree from.

India has plenty of PhDs. Do not worry.

i got my bachelor's degree for $0
didn't help me find a job cause 2008 raped the market. no debt meowever.

This is all by kike design
>rich kikes will be able to afford to pay for their kids PHDs while the goyim will be unable to take out loans
>shit PHDs from India will be accepted in America

>>509612252
I guess I'm in the wrong state. One of the cheaper colleges here is $400 per in-state credit hour.

>>509611292 (OP)
Nobody in STEM in the US is paying for their PhD. You get a stipend and usually have to do some busywork for the school like TAing unless you have external funding or your supervisor pays for you. If anything, it's more like having a very low wage job.

>>509611292 (OP)
>Bachelors degree: 4 years
>Masters: 2 years
>PhD: 4 years
>4+2+4 = 10 years

>Trump student loan cap: $50K per year
>10 years to get a doctorate

I hate lying sack of shit leftists.

>>509611292 (OP)
If you have that much debt you are a total fucking retard. I'd suicide bomb myself on something important if I had that much debt. Some seriously stupid fucking retard once again proving school is not a place for smart people.

>>509611568
Medical school in the US is anywhere from 20-80k per year. More for out of state

It's worth it for the big bucks. That bitch can easily handle the payments so long as she's making 250k a year or more

>>509611292 (OP)
This is one of those issues where neither side represents me. I would support socialized tuition if and only if universities were STEM and vocations only. So long as universities double as ideological churches I support total privatization because separation of church and state etc. I don't like the right because they want to defund STEM and vocations, I don't like the left because non-STEM and non-vocational departments are churches and people shouldn't be taxed to enforce a state religion.

>>509611568
It's a woman.

>>509612389
something like 70% of american job openings are limited to college graduates, and most of them are not for anything particularly difficult and do not need the applicant to be preeminent in their field.

>>509611292 (OP)
What republicans expect from loan caps.
>Colleges will lower their prices because unlimited loans allowed them to create unlimited profits.

What reality has in store.
>Only rich kids will now go to college while the poor fight over table scraps making the job market a living nightmare once they start to compete against Visa holders and illegals.

and then
>Mass poverty and a major transfer in wealth.

Trumps a big orange retard, you only voted for him if you was also retarded or wanted the downfall of the country to come faster.

>>509611292 (OP)
That's boggers, cuz then they end importing Indians who invested 1/10 of that...

>>509611292 (OP)
Obviously she didnt get a PhD in economics.

>>509612726
>I was paid to get it
This is the secret to getting any kind of post-secondary education that's worth it. Wanna get a certificate/bachelor's degree/master's degree/PhD without going broke? Make your boss pay for it.
If you can't convince your boss to pay for your studies, they probably ain't worth it, but if your boss or somebody else at your company is literally offering you education with no direct cost to you on a silver platter, you might as well take any opportunity you can get.

>>509611292 (OP)
ofc she is a DO.. most people in pre-med just switch to finance or law if they can't make it to med school.
osteopathic medicine shouldn't even exist.. the fact we are stringing out dumb niggers on $500k loans to these bullshit degrees is astounding

alot of youtube doctors are osteopathic doctors too.. like doctor mike. i really hate that people just accept them like proper doctors with proper medical degrees

>>509611292 (OP)
>nooooo you can't encourage prices to go down i need more DEEEEEEEBT
Mmmmno.

>>509612110
>3K USD per month just to cover jew tax
And this guy is going to claim to be smart and help you.

>>509612668
A few reasons, it wasnt because I didnt like the US. I had just had enough of LA and CA in general at the time and decided I wanted a change. Was originally planning to move back to TN but the missus got pregnant. My wife is from the UK, a very nice area called the Lake District. We just decided it would be better to bring kids up there, especially with her family being local and me being an only child with no parents alive. There would be a ready made support group for the missus and kids

Its also far, far cheaper than living in the US. Im self employed, work from home and at the time was bringing in about $220K a year in LA. That a decent amount but its still not enough to have a good standard of living in LA. In the UK I could live like a minor royal on that same income, in a beautiful medium population density area with almost zero immigrants and crime. I literally bought a 4 bed house on the side of a lake for less than my 1 bed apartment in LA. That made it an easy decision once I factored in bringing up a couple of kids there

Pic related

>>509612809
You cant help retards

>>509613057
$400 with all the fees included isn't bad. I didn't go to USF, but my wife did. I paid pretty similar to $400/hr, but it jumped massively when you hit that 12 hour(full time) to about $6k for everything, but they charged you only like $25 for each credit hour after that.

Some part of the country it's far worse.

>>509613645
Why did you do a masters in the Uk if you were already earning so much? Was it for a visa?

>>509613204
I kind of support some of the Liberal Arts and the Humanities (like Economics, Sociology, History, and Philology) simply because we need some people who are good at managing stuff, know how to understand social and economic issues, and have an appreciation for humanity's past. I don't support shit like Gender Studies or filling English Literature course modules with books written by BIPOC/LGBT people or shit about why yppo bad, but I do believe we ought not to forget our past as humans.
It would be sad indeed if there were to be a day in which the names of Homer, Virgil, Herodotus, and Livy no longer sound familiar even to the most educated members of our populations.

STEM exists to create machines, analyze and upkeep complex systems, and understand nature, but Liberal Arts are needed to keep society in order, and the Humanities are needed so as to ponder what is ultimately human and define what is ultimately good and useful.

>>509612726
I'm at a big-brand warehouse and I will top out at $38/hour in about 4 years (plus whatever raises are negotiated in the future), not bad for a drunken autist who can't handle school

>>509611292 (OP)
do some actual quality research and the university will pay for your studies and time.

>>509613408
>>509612726
Quoted wrong post, because, drunken autist

I'm a details autist not a developmentally disabled sonic the hedgehog autist, so I shouldn't have missed that

>>509614014
I made $39/hr 10 years ago working for a railroad with only a high school diploma. Those guys are up to $57/hr now. You're a sucker.

>>509611292 (OP)
easily available student loan dollars are what caused tuitions to bloat the fuck up to begin with. capping student loans is a good start towards getting those costs down, getting rid of the underwater basketweaving courses, and getting retards out of universities

>>509611292 (OP)
Unless he earned a PhD I scamology, he has to leave the country to escape that debt.

>>509614158
I worked with a railroad guy, he said he did the thermite shit, welding rails together and sheeeit.

He retired and was doing my same job just to pass the time. He said it's hard as fuck and breaks your body, and the risk of lightning strikes and such scared the fuck out of him. So, get roasted, shithead. Drink another shot.

look at the names of her graduating class.. just filled to the brim with third worlders.
god i fucking hate osteopathic programs. these people literally couldn't make it into medschool, so they invented a whole underclass of shittier medschools* to milk the government and these fucks all pass away with hundreds of thousands of debt.

>>509611292 (OP)
I wish trump was actually a racist instead of a massive kiked out faggot

>>509614298
I'll tell you a secret: most railroaders are whiny cry babies. The job isn't that tough. I was making $550/day at the end and working about 5 hours a night. I left because union shitheads are miserable, I was finishing my degree, and wanted a more predictable schedule to start a family. It wasn't because the job was difficult.

>>509614518
I can't be outdoors, fuck that shit.

That's literally it. It's a fucking miracle I can wake up and make it on time to an above average job. Get the fuck off my case, nigger.

>>509611292 (OP)
if your phd is not fully funded then you're too stupid to get a phd

>>509613910
I kept butting up against jobs that I couldnt bid for, despite being more than good enough, some of the blue chip orgs I was doing digital forensics freelance work for wanted people with a masters. I bit the bullet and did it though the Open University

>>509612390
PhD = pretty huge debt

For those that are curious, DO stands for Doctor of Osteopathy.
That's what he paid half a million dollars for.

>>509614752
It's just amazing to me that so many people think higher education and then working a few decades and then dying is a reasonable approach to life.
Like, are you thinking "Well at least I put forth a bunch of effort for nothing, unlike these other cunts"? and that's a good thing?

>>509614829
So, a fucking bone shaman

and I didn't need a PhD to know that osteo means bones

>>509614780
doesn't matter these people just want to say 'im a lawyer, im a psychologist' even if it is a bottom of the barrel degree and they are working at a university.
they just want the appearance of a prideful occupation

>>509612216
where are they collapsing based fucking retard?

>>509612613
A single medium project grant from NSF can get you 1mil. If you're in a field like CS or math where you have practically no overhead, then most of that money going towards salary (yours)

>>509614986
So you're stealing monies?

>DO
>a branch of medical practice that emphasizes the treatment of medical disorders through the manipulation and massage of the bones, joints, and muscles.
>>509614899
Since when is lawyer a useless occupation?

>>509615053
no, you do legitimate research.
It's just that there's fields where you don't have to fund a lab or equipment for that research so all that money ends up paying yourself and your poorly paid grad students

>>509611292 (OP)
Why not just make degrees cheaper? Like 90% of the faculty could be fired without any issues to the school. You are paying that much for your law degree because the college has to pay 90 African dance professors.

>>509615053
Thats exactly what the US education system and public research is. Money laundering. There is a reason over 90% of University led studies are non reproducible

>>509615152
Because its not about education. Its about political indoctrination

>>509612389
Look at their patents and institutes before clattering your rotten teeth and porcine face about it, faggot.

>>509614897
Osteopathy in the US is just regular medicine now. It started off with the quack bullshit, but hasn't for sometime.

>>509611292 (OP)
>They don't want PoCs to be educated
But if they was so smart woodnt dey just be so smart they woodnt need a dagree?

>>509614897
yes basically.. its a contrived program made specifically for people who couldn't make the cut into medical school.. its a fucking sham and the american public can't tell the difference since 80% of the medical field has varying kinds of initials after their name of all sorts. it all turns into a blur

ALL of those programs are filled with third worlders on visas and 1st/2nd generation immigrants.... they are infecting the entire medical field because they will churn out anyone as long as the tax payer flips the bill.

>>509611292 (OP)

University is a scam anyways.

>in order to get any (non meme MUH TRADES MAKE $600K MIKE ROWE TOLD ME) job requires a university degree
>universities know this so everyone funnels through them
>charge expensive fees
>have professors that don't actually teach anything anyways, instead focus on research, grant money, private funding etc.
>professors don't even speak English or have any personal connection to your area (OH Mr. Ching Chong man why do you teach in my University in podunk North Carolina?)
>become super rich, super exclusive
>try to become even more exclusive with SAT and other bullshit tests
>create giant testing and standard industry
>concentrate knowledge into ever increasingly garbage teaching people to hate their country, culture, community
>promote garbage science that is so focused on statistical significance chasing smaller and smaller results and not actually useful outcomes
>also turns out getting a degree doesn't even help you get a job just connections and nepotism
>now many people working at Starbucks, warehouse jobs with tons of student loan debt, which isn't dischargeable in a bankruptcy
>become a doctor work in a corrupt industry full of pharmaceutical medicines that don't actually cure just create more money sinks and sketchy ass insurance companies

etc. etc.

>>509615303
that's a little hard to believe
why call it osteopathy then?

>>509611292 (OP)
61% of PHD students take out student loans. So basically, schools are going to have to lower tuition or else they're going to see a drastic dip in enrollment. This is a good thing.

>>509615109
your a fucking idiot if you think most lawyers are doing something worthwhile.. it hasn't been an impressive job in 20 some years. nearly all of them are in extreme debt and are continually chasing a lifestyle that will never be granted to them. the image you have in your head of what a lawyer is, isn't real.
many graduates don't even practice law and wind up in unrelated fields as they quickly find out their degrees aren't worth shit.

>>509611292 (OP)
This dude has nothing. He failed in his sapience by falling for this shit.

>>509613197
Are you retarded? PhDs don’t practice medicine.

>>509615516
*you're

>>509615559
Her name literally says DO, MS, i.e. Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, Masters of Science
Retard

>>509615559
uh they are literally doctors conservitard

>>509615336
so what, do these people get a DO and then pose as real doctors?
how do GPs even work in America?

>>509611292 (OP)
Just cap the tuition too retard
Are there no White people left in that country or why is everyone so fucking stupid

>>509612532
>>509612390
this is the case with any PhD program worth attending. The ones that you pay to attend are basically degree mills

>>509615559
kek, nice bait

Yall niggas wyllin

I can't breev

>>509615476
Because it started with the quack bullshit, so they kept the name. Now it incorporates all the stuff an MD education has so they have all the same privileges.

>baseless assertion about a large group of people
OP is a faggot.

RIP America's doctors

>>509611292 (OP)
>elite
stop using this word
elite (n) - the best of a category, the finest, etc. (i.e. this could also apply to turnips)
elitist (n) - one who thinks they are better than others
There is a difference between the two.
Calling the worst of what humanity has to offer the "elite" is wholly untrue.
Elitist, yes. Elite, no.

>>509615681
He's being all ass pained that there's a cheaper program to become a physician. DOs and MDs have all the same privileges because they have essentially the same curriculum.

>>509611292 (OP)
Its not that I don't want niggers to be educated, niggers are incompatible with education. If you make a cat do a horse's job thats not very good for the cat. We should teach niggers not to do crime and work an honest job instead, if they can't do that then they get shot because they will be a problem down the line

lol

>>509612390
You do in STEM even with a masters you can get grants&funding worth tens of thousands of dollars

>>509612550
>>509612925
>>509613331
>>509615302
Hicks mad they couldn't get into a prestigious school like some of us

>>509616083
lol, I hope thats true but the 2 weeks comment makes it hard to believe

>>509615681
the american public doesn't know there is a distinction to be made in the first place.. they just assume they are all of similar quality.
there is a reason pretty much every graduate here is a third worlder name. most white people develop too much shame and find another way through life if they can't make it into med school.
third worlders have no shame, for them there is nothing to be shameful of. it's all the same to them. so you wind up with DO programs that are completely filled with third worlders ( >>509614174 )
that then are not wanted in private practices or most hostpitals, so they wind up at university medical programs as 'affordable options' and so the whole system becomes compromised
this is one of the many reasons why american healthcare is so incapable of promoting health

>>509615726
Being a GA and obtaining a doctorate is mental anguish and a contract that will destroy you, but it is infinitely a better life and permits possibilities that many would prefer to their current lives.

>t. PhD

>>509616238
Exactly what university? The ivies are a joke when compared to the research university you pretend to know about.

>>509615870
they have a similar curriculum with far lesser candidates with 3.2 gpas and far less capable professors. every aspect of these programs screams low quality.
but your likely part of the problem

>>509616248
$2T in SLABSs
(Student Loan Asset Backed Securities)
anyone that refinanced is in here

>>509611292 (OP)
How the fuck are you spending this much on a PhD? I had so much money coming in during my studies I bought night vision goggles just because I thought they were cool.

>>509616471
>(Student Loan Asset Backed Securities)
<<<--SLABS big investors are the universities themselves

>>509616303
It really depends on your group and your advisor
My PhD was pretty chill, and the only times I was really stressed were before conference deadlines (I work in CS so we submit papers to conferences rather than journals).
A huge plus is that our field has a bunch of international conferences, so I always get at least one paid vacation per year

>>509616469
>Oh no! 3.2 GPAs!
Exactly as I thought. Ass pained that there's a cheaper alternative and people not in the expensive rich kids club are practicing medicine.

>>509616548
For me the paycheck was fine till coveeed inflation hit. Then I went elsewhere that reimbursed me 100%.

and a doctorate's tuition is paid for by the university kek

>>509611292 (OP)
Sometimes I think about just saying fuck it and becoming an academic with a shit ton of debt.

>>509611292 (OP)
As a PhD candidate... much as I hate Trump with a passion, you are not supposed to take out loans for grad school. You're supposed to get a research assistantship to pay your tuition and give you a stipend. If the research you are doing is worthwhile, you can get an NSF grant, or a DOD grant, or a grant from some other organization that is paying for research. And if the research you are doing is not worthwhile... why are you pursuing a PhD? Academia is a fucking horrible career choice.

>>509611292 (OP)
Yep. They try to do whatever it takes to keep us poor. Why would the government cut their money maker unless it has ulterior motives

>>509614936
>It has to happen this second right now before anything has even had the chance to change
Shut the fuck up you illiterate economically retarded golem

>>509616471
No way they get even half of that $2T back. Its good that they are calling it in though finally. I would like to see some of the educational institutions responsible for scamming these gullible idiots be held liable for repaying some of the costs thought. If a student defaults then the institution that failed to educate them properly should have to pay up

>>509616655
Yeah, conferences are fun and you meet amusing people but when you're in the ABD phase the alcoholism and self-doubt set in. Luckily, I just wrote through it and edited sober. Also ended up with a tenure track so, it all worked out in the end. It's the only career that permits spergs here to sperg out. Won't say much further because if you only knew how good the job actually is, the public would revolt harder against it. :)

>>509611292 (OP)
I was paid a salary for my PhD. If you're paying money for a PhD, you're probably retarded.

>>509615516
>your
Any degree is stupid if you're chasing a lifestyle.

>>509616620
In that case make the institutions liable for 100% of the defaults that they hold

>>509616469
No candidage in the US is getting into a DO school with a 3.2 GPA unless they had fantastic MCAT scores

And if you all keep shitting on DOs over MDs..remember that carribean MDs now make a large portion of your total MD candidates in the US and those programs literally do not have GPA or MCAT requirements.

>>509611292 (OP)

>>509617058
They are if they are black

>>509616818
Stop posting here and work on your dissertation. But you're right.

>>509616855
Graduate education is flush with people who really have no business being in those programs.

>>509611568
Low light reflectivity.

>this many phds and phd candidates on /pol/
I'm actually surprised considering the quality of threads in this shithole

This is how rightoids LARP, but, as always, niggers will do fine, and there are kike universities tripping over themselves to give them scholarships, and lots of opportunities to get their tuitions paid.

>>509613117
>PhD: 4 years
That's the low end. I've got a university that is requiring us to get multiple papers accepted in very highly competitive conferences and/or journals to graduate. I'm talking like 20% acceptance rates. Write paper, get rejected. Rewrite it, get rejected. Rewrite it again, get lucky, now do it again Tony! Oh, and you're competing with all those researchers in China and India for a limited number of papers that can be published with the venue.

Though I digress that you absolutely should not borrow money for a PhD.

>>509617192
Not entirely, but the amount of Ethiopians and Nigerians that harbored intense disdain for American blacks was an amazing sight to behold.

the legislative volley between boomers and billionaires that leaves everyone out:
NYFed owners say they need more taxes from social security/medicare payments to pay them interest
boomers say big bank fleecing of the country is fine as long as they're getting social security
and they both continue to make laws to protect their positions, so now, effectively all wealth is going to the old and dying

everything benefits boomers:
student loans
social security
medicare
stocks
pensions
land use
you fucking name it

No one is really expecting boomers to:
1 admit what they have done
2 apologize for it
3 see what they can do to fix it now

But everyone is expecting boomers to:
1 double-the-fuck-down on their greed, arrogance and hubris

pic rel millennials are the one pink square bottom right

NYU costs about $100k per year. Look at these graduates who spent nearly $400k to get these degrees.

>>509617224
>considering the quality of threads in this shithole
yeah right

>>509617409
These are the people who want your taxes to cover their student loans.

>>509617058
>.remember that carribean MDs

don't get me started....

>>509617115
I've already got some work done on it today. Some discussion on a scalability experiment I designed for a particular metric I'm proposing. Can't spend all one's time working though, or you'll burn out.

<<<---this is where academia is
The head of the NIAging
decades of image fraud

>>509617305
>get lucky
this is the important part.
If you get shit reviewers for your paper, you're screwed

>>509617590
<<<---this is where academia is
the head of chemistry at harvard

>>509617668
<<<---this is where academia is
head of neuroscience Harvard
lied to brain cancer patients for a fucking decade

>>509617475
And not a single tam in the video. Yes, those are dubious degrees.

>>509611568
my patent cost 50k and took 4.5 years an stopped all future PhDs and corporate derivatives from being created for 20 years across 370 million people.

I made MORE THAN 8 billion slaves by 2038.

>>509617734
<<<---this is where academia is
stroke and alzheimer research, too

>>509612286
If you have 150+ IQ, and you think you need a degree to succeed, you're a coward.

At IQ levels that high, you can self nullify the need for paperwork, by kicking people's ass at stuff.
The only issue you'll have is getting through retard gate keepers.
There are ways.

>>509617734
The replicability crisis and the amount of fraud is staggering and must be cleaned up. Another reason however that the braggart earlier in the thread was salty about a particular research university.

>>509611292 (OP)
I only want Whites to be educated. Way it should be and worked for a thousand years.

>>509611292 (OP)
How did college become so expensive, fellow huwite man

>>509611568
How am I supposed to learn what gender I am if I can't spend $500,000?

>>509617880
Cool, now go drink yourself to death in your apartment working on cool shit like the creator of WinZip or become a social pariah like St Terry David.

>>509611568
What was your BSc in?

>>509617884
>fraud is staggering and must be cleaned up
That is very simple you just need to make academia the European institution it used to be
That is remove all the subverting and cheating non-whites from there, especially jews, pajeets and chinks
Academia is an European-built concept and built on the premise of high-trust, it simply cannot work in an environment where non-whites are involved who literally see cheating and scamming as viable options and do not even think twice, its built into their genetics and ingrained to their culture

>>509617884
>amount of fraud is staggering

>>509612389
>it doesn't matter unless it's from harvard or yale
lmao dumbfucks like you are the salt of the earth, man. keep on keepin on.

Practical right wing students will just go to cheaper schools or not go. Dumb lefty students will get private loans at 14% interest. This is a counter-elite power move to cripple the graduates of elite universities and elevate graduates of loyal universities. Unbelievably based.

>>509616238
>prestigious
Lol. Like the university of banglapour?

>>509611292 (OP)
Half a million dollars to start working (at best) at 27 yo

>>509616238
Look at this faggot thinking where you got knowledge matters

>>509611785
No, she just didn't work and used the loan gibs to survive

>>509611292 (OP)
How about a compromise where for every IQ point above the median you'll get a 3% discount off the cost of tuition.

>>509612110
They then claim we need migrant doctors because they purposely restrict the number of American doctors that graduate when 500k in loans is a massive risk

>says the retard

STAP scandal (pic related) from the Head of Anesthesiology at Harvard, Charles Vacanti, and the Riken institute in Japan. A female researcher, Haruko Obokata, said she made differentiated cells pluripotent by dipping them in acid— lol (one of her mentors, the Deputy Director of the Riken Institute in Japan, who was collaborating with Vacanti and overseeing Obokata, hung himself in the stairwell of Riken Instutute). This was barely heard of in the news.

Another aspect of academia severely underlooked in this thread is exactly how many fucking foreign spies you will encounter.

>>509618517
Are you saying that if I get a graduate degree, a Chinese spy might try to seduce me?!

>>509612389
Literally no one cares unless the university is an ivy or public ivy or one of the few other schools. If its not one of the top 25 schools then it will not matter

>>509618131
Computing with Electronic Engineering

If you are in the UK you can do one of the computing or electronics BSc options through edX and the London University for about £8K all in. Ive got 2 of my junior staff working it that way at the minute

>>509618679
Yeah, it's a possibility if you're close to something or someone they want access to.

>>509611292 (OP)
>going to a private school for a PhD program
>complaining that it cost money
>pretending this was unavoidable
>raging that you caused this fabricated hardship
the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>509611292 (OP)
Max loans are now capped at 200k. Surprisingly education will not start costing 200k

It is hard to talk to people that keep saying that education cost has gone up much faster than anything else, then in the same breath say that we should make it easier to get unlimited loans for education.

The fact that they don't understand that they are the reason education is unafordable is beyond me.

no one pays for a doctorate lol
and if you did, that's not a doctorate
you brought your intellect to the table
you contributed to the field
that is what you pay

>>509611292 (OP)
If we were a sensible country we’d just make college free, but keeping people retarded is much more beneficial to the elite.

>>509619604
>but keeping people retarded is much more beneficial to the elite.
fucking this

the current tech trend is for citizens to not hold or own information or organize it or remember it
they also do not store it on their own computers, but in a foreign cloud that tracks all changes in real time
they only have instantaneous ACCESS to information
people are not being conditioned to retain info or organize it for themselves

tptb are now waiting for anyone with a high amount of intellect and knowledge to die off, then they will just be left with the malleable, dumbed-down 'instantaneous access' population that can't put two and two together

>>509619434
Yeah in my field PhD get stipend from the university because they are basically university employees at that point

>>509611292 (OP)
sounds like bullshit

phds get paid a decent wage. after all they are working as researchers. if you dont get paid above median during your phd then what the fuck are you even doing? getting a phd in some useless fake nonsense like gender studies?

>>509612809
Yeah, it's this. They're part of the privileged upper middle class and they think they're entitled to live the high life on the working class's dime (who's going to pay for their loans if they're forgiven? who would pay for government subsidized education? workers) because they're of the right social class.

>>509611292 (OP)
that's a holy-fucking-shit amount of money to owe
but don't doctor's make bank?

>>509619827
for many reasons
you can't graduate unless you can teach
knowledge is worthless without the ability to convey it

>>509613637
>guy
cheyennae is not a guy's name
and she didn't even get an MD, half a mil for a DO
this isn't even funny, it's just disappointing

>>509611292 (OP)
i want academics eliminated entirely in gas chambers with wooden doors by dropping pellets of slow release cyanide on them from the roof into heated canisters

>>509617305
sounds like a humiliation ritual, especially since human research never amounts to anything significant (see: current state of the world)

>>509620607
>since human research never amounts to anything significant
this isn't true
they are seriously advancing in imaging of all types, especially NMR

>>509611292 (OP)
>LOOK HOW MUCH IT COSTS
Why does it cost that much?
>SHUT THE FUCK UP
lol fucking retard arguments

>>509612389
>>509615302
USF medical school is famous for amputating the healthy leg of a beetus patient
Must’ve have thought they were a Publix, bogo
I think it’s one of the worst-ranked US medical schools

>>509620719
so? how is that going to help humans escape this prison planet aliens actively confine them to, or at least negotiate some sort of agreement allowing humanity more freedom?

as long as humans are kept imprisoned here, and kept in the dark from actual, significant information regarding reality, nothing they'll do will ever matter. the human story will just continue to be the circus of chaos {{{Those}}} with real power use for entertainment (you can view it as a controlled experiment too if you'd like)

>>509621749
no one is escaping lol

>>509621749
don't see yourself as a means to an end, but rather as the end itself

>>509611292 (OP)
a DO degree is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine, equivalent to an MD
Dr Cheyenne will be making upwards of $200k and will have no trouble repaying her loans

>>509611292 (OP)
it took this chick 22 years to get her doctorate

>>509621749
>nothing they'll do will ever matter.
this isn't true either
it's more good than bad

>>509612954
PoohD

>>509611292 (OP)
>PhD
>thinks they’ll ever be able to pay off $500k student debt
Modern education, anons.
Who the fuck takes out 500K loans for education except lawyers and physicians? Likely a rocket scientist who thought because the diploma says Harvard they make mid-six figures with their sociology degree. What did this faggot major in?

>>509623824
they didn't take it out with the intent to pay it back, they thought it would be "forgiven".
I think the correct thing to do is let them default so the bankers can get fucked and the schools can get fucked when they cant charge absurd tuition rates anymore.

>>509611292 (OP)
I mean, if i have to have surgery one day I don't want some nigger operating on me

Political science, sociology, psychology, law, and economics are all filed under ARTS in academia. They are NOT Sciences, but a collection of subjective analyses, as varied as there are opinions, devoid of practicality or reproducibility. Smoke and mirrors for those who want to hear themselves speak and to manipulate others.

Luckily for the hard sciences, failure is not rewarded and it is eventually weeded out via practical application and reproducibility. The hard sciences are unlike the above-mentioned Arts’ disciplines, in which failure not only thrives, but is rewarded and allowed to distort reality and hinder progress.

>trade school
>10k for 2 years

Best decision of my life, $42/hr with 10 hrs of OT weekly
Don't fall for the 4 yr memedegree anons

What is a MAGA-t?

>>509611292 (OP)
Unless you're becoming a doctor, crazy loan amounts like this are because retards needed to use their student loan for rent, car payments, food, AND their schooling. I went to grad school for free because I was a research assistant in the lab. I even earned a small stipend so that I could afford rent. There are ways to avoid going into debt for school. These idiots are just too stupid and/or lazy to figure that out.

>>509624571
>The hard sciences are unlike the above-mentioned Arts’ disciplines, in which failure not only thrives, but is rewarded and allowed to distort reality and hinder progress.
pic rel lol

>>509611292 (OP)
>They don't want PoCs to be educated.
What's the point educating a nigger? Do we educate monkeys? Niggers should be sterilized and phased out as a race.

>>509611292 (OP)
Niggers and brownoids can’t earn actual degrees ( low IQ) so it’s a waste of resources. Who wants a nigger doctored to operate on them ?