Thread 509622712

Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.

Why not all 50?
This is not a state level decision.

>>509622712 (OP)
Hooray

>>509622712 (OP)
basado

PA cucking again

>>509622712 (OP)
Based were now gonna have a massive domestic violence scandal so that spics can get free green cards and jewish family lawyers slaying away men

>>509622924
If NH, VA and WI have swung then PA and MI are irrelevant.

>>509622712 (OP)
does it matter? it like they can deny people that move.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

THIS ALSO APPLIES TO H1B VISA HOLDERS AND ALL TEMPORARY VISA HOLDERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

>TFW your state isn't on the list
Wonderful. The bean wave approaches.

>>509622712 (OP)
>NY, IL, California still allow anchor babies
THIS DOES ALMOST NOTHING TO HELP THE PROBLEM
what a failure, they have months to park themselves in an unlisted state and shit their baby out before just going literally anywhere else

>>509623704
>get citizenship in your state
>now can move anywhere

or will those states not recognize their citizenship?

>>509623755
This EO only applies until October when SCOTUS will make a ruling on the 14th and then at that point it becomes RETROACTIVE and applied UNIVERSALLY across the REPUBLIC as it would then be officially as ruled by SCOTUS to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL to grant the children of illegals and temporary visa holders citizenship under the 14th amendment.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>509622712 (OP)
Ok migger.

>>509623801
The 28 states will NOT recognize the citizenship status of those who would not be deemed citizens under their own state laws.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>not retroactive
not my problem, waiting for my next check in the mail, thanks miggers

>>509623947
SCOTUS rulings are RETROACTIVE and in this case it would be RETROACTIVE going back to 1868 when the 14th was ratified.

>>509622866
>Why not all 50?
>This is not a state level decision.
Leftist states are in open rebellion against the American people.

Based states should not recognize birth certificates from states giving them to foreigners.

The 14th Amendment was intentionally misinterpreted for 120+ years and SCOTUS was too much of a pussy to make a ruling on it for 120+ years due to the US needing; cheap labor, suppressed wages, and the real estate lobby, being the largest lobby in the country, needing ever increasing demand for housing as the US was expanding in the industrial revolution and the post WWII era.

Those laborers are no longer needed now as the industrial revolution is ancient history and everything is moving towards automation and the need has arisen for a highly specialized and technical workforce (read: intelligent) that would be capable of maintaining such complex systems, THEREFORE; the "citizenship" status granted to these low skill, low IQ, migrants will be revoked RETROACTIVELY; they will be relocated to Third Party Nations in the case that they become stateless; Palantir will be needed and has already been funded for this project through the BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL; America can move into the 21st century, housing can become affordable again; wages will increase as demand for high skill labor will increase, and the country will be happier, healthier, and more prosperous, and finally any high skill laborers who wish to come to the US and become PERMANENT RESIDENTS (Green Card or Gold Card which can be bought for the price of $5 Million) will be eligible to produce Citizen offspring if they come here LEGALLY and obtain one of those cards.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Does "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" merely mean subject to the regulatory jurisdiction of the United States? That is, subject to the laws of the United States as is virtually everyone on US soil including aliens who are here illegally, or are here for the purpose of bearing a child to make it an American Citizen, or does the "jurisdiction" of the United States mean something more than that? Such as the FULL and COMPLETE jurisdiction, requiring an allegiance that comes from a permanent lawful commitment to make the US ones home, the place where one permanently and lawfully resides. I believe this latter interpretation is compelled by the citizenship clause, text structure, and history, as well as by Common Sense.

If "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means nothing more than the duty of obedience to the laws of the United States then why did its framers choose such a strange way to say that? Why didn't they just say "subject to the laws of the United States"? Doing so would have been quite natural given that this straightforward unambiguous language is used in both Article VI and Article III of the US Constitution.

The clause also makes sure that it makes Citizens the newborns in both the United States and of the "states wherein they reside", that is where they live, their home, these words standing alone implies lawful permanent residence, and it plainly excludes tourists, as well as other lawful visitors, as well as illegal aliens who are prohibited by wall from residing within a state although they all must obey our laws.

>>509623993
Are you suggesting we commit acts of violence against them? That's a very dangerous thing to imply anon.

>>509623891
so if you cross state borders your citizenship wont matter anymore lol

that sounds fucked up

Second, the history of 14th Amendment, the clause was framed by the 39th congress to constitutionalize the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which had been passed by that same congress just two months earlier. The 1866 act explicitly denied Birthright Citizenship to persons "subject to any foreign power" and to "Indians not taxed". It is clear in the debate in the 39th congress that congress decided to replace this language with "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" NOT because congress suddenly and without any comment decided to radically broaden the scope of Birthright Citizenship but rather that Congress was concerned that the phrase "Indians not taxed" generated uncertainty about the children of Indians, primarily rich and poor Indians.

The dispute is best captured I think by this comment from Senator Trumble who wanted to replace the words "Indians not taxed" even though he was the principle author of those words in the 1866 Civil Rights Act. Senator Trumble had this to say: "I am not willing to make citizenship in this country depend on taxation, I am not willing, if the Senator from Wisconsin is, that the rich Indian residing in New York shall be a citizen and the poor Indian residing in the state of New York shall not be a citizen."

Senator Trumbles language illuminate two important points about the intended meaning of the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" by its authors. First, they intended that the children of Tribal Indians who resided on reservations and owed their direct allegiance to their tribes would not be entitled to Birthright Citizenship, but the children of assimilated Indians, who had left their reservations, who had established a PERMANENT RESIDENCE among the body politic of the states would be entitled to birthright citizenship.

Second, it is not at all plausible that the framers of the citizenship clause in the 14th amendment intended that tribal Indians to be able to evade this limitation on Birthright Citizenship for their children by the simple expedient of leaving the reservation long enough to give birth to a child.

The KEY DISTINCTION between the tribal Indians and the assimilated Indians was ALLEGIANCE. Tribal Indians owed their direct allegiance to the Tribe while an Indian who had established a permanent domicile within the state and assimilated into the body politic committed his PRIMARY ALLEGIANCE to the United States and thus entitled his children to Citizenship at Birth.

Contrary to what many jews will say in this thread there is NO RULING from SCOTUS that states that the children of illegal aliens are citizens, that is NOT what the 14th amendment says either and it is NOT what the author of Clause 1 of the 14th amendment says in constitutional record, and it is NOT what SCOTUS precedent says in Wong Kim Ark.

>Here is how it stands today:

1: The Trump Administration is arguing from the position of UPHOLDING the US Constitution and SCOTUS precedent.

2: Precedent set by SCOTUS in Wong Kim Ark states that children of LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS have citizenship.

3: The author of 14th Amendment Clause 1 Senator Jacob Howard, specifically excludes the children of illegal aliens from birthright citizenship when he offers his definition of the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

4: On June 27th, 2025 SCOTUS ruled that the National Injunctions that were placed against Trumps Executive Order were unlawful and thus the Trump Administration was granted the ability in 28 States to enforce his Executive Order on Birthright Citizenship.

>Trumps Executive Order is as follows:
“policy of the United States” to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: “(1) when [a] person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when [a] person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

THEREFORE a ruling is required by SCOTUS NOW to clarify if the children of illegal aliens are covered under the 14th amendment and given all of the historical context and precedent set by previous SCOTUS majority opinions... the answer is CRYSTAL CLEAR that they are NOT protected under the 14th Amendment.

>>509622712 (OP)
If I get preggo now will I make it in time?

>>509622712 (OP)
>all the non-niggerfaggot states
...well I'll be.

>>509624155
That is correct here is how the Executive Order is worded:

>“policy of the United States” to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: “(1) when [a] person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when [a] person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

Gulf Coast bros... we win again.

>>509622712 (OP)
>Nevada not listed
Fucking wetbacks and Jews man.

total anchor baby death
>captcha: W0088

>>509623755
They have to stay in those shithole states or risk getting deported if they go to any of the other ones. It’s pure containment. Let’s see how Cali and these blue states like it when their states become even more infested. It only took Texas busing a fraction of illegals to blue states for them to have a meltdown. Big reason why Trump won

>>509624345
Just say Jews, and say it out loud, it feels better

There is no way they can make it retroactive without it becoming a total shit show.

>>509624859
cope and seethe

>>509624128
Absolutely unreal how much this dude's mediocre but nonetheless pretty paintings make libshit "artists" go absolutely bonkers.

>>509622712 (OP)
>>509623857
Is this all part of a plan from Trump to have Obama deported?

>>509622712 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBFX4EuAWHc

>>509624859

Its just a show for le Chuds so they happily die in Iran.

Expect more "based politics"

>>509625130
>make libshit "artists" go absolutely bonkers.
They simultaneously hate him for his factory production practices, but suck Jeff Koon's dick, who also employs the same factory production practices.

>>509625359
extreme cope!

>>509622712 (OP)
simple really, just refuse to issue SSNs

>>509622712 (OP)
Every single foreigner and every single person born to a foreign after 1964 should have their citizenship revoked.

>>509622712 (OP)
This is funny because states that don't toe the line are going to get overwhelmed with illegal spics.

>>509625237
Obama white side goes back to the colonial times. Trump is an ellis islander.

>>509623755
They will get absolutely overwhelmed with squatemalans trying to spawn on Medicaid in their hospitals. With federal Medicaid cuts, states have to pick up the bill. Taxpayers living in these "sanctuary states" will all move when their taxes go up 100%

>>509625237
Big if true.

>>509622712 (OP)
may as well never happen the way they let in cultist now

>>509626262
Prob is lefties don’t care is states turn into total shitholes. People have already been sleeping them Cali and NY lost congressional seating for the first time and both are on track to lose up to five seats by the end of the decade. They want these spics counted on the census

>>509624859
Reality : American is going broke and politicians have to choose boomers or welfare queens/illegal spics

Illegals cost a lot of money. They don't make enough money to cover how much they cost to Medicaid. We don't have cheap food, we have government subsidized food.

>>509626460
>america is going broke
LMFAO!

>>509624859
>>509623992
its not going to happen
this would not only apply to a few mexicans
it would also apply to white people
shitshow would be an understatement

>>509627791
>I-I-I-ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN
cope and seethe
It has already happened, SCOTUS has made decisions that had widespread demographic and society altering consequences before and they will keep doing it again.

can you imagine all the crazy arkansas police chases
>we got a non citizen
>pit advised

>>509625130
>>509625428
It's all terrible and offensive.

>>509622924
>pennsylvania
I expect nothing else from yankees

>>509622712 (OP)
This is almost what I voted for.

>>509622866
Tell that to every single state that issues birth certificates.

>>509626138
>states that don't toe the line are going to get overwhelmed with illegal spics
I've got a hundred billion bet on ICE that the answer is no. Come next census all these blue states will lose their electoral votes and representatives. California may even turn red again one day.

>>509622712 (OP)
Future polities from the breakup of the American Empire should enshrine the prohibition of birthright citizenship for the spawn of foreign parents in their constitutions.

>>509629801
>Breakup from the American Empire
lol
LMFAO even

REMINDER THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AND ALL OTHER ANSWERS ARE COPE!

As the U.S. looks to annex Greenland and secure control over the Arctic Circle, it edges closer to a historic milestone: the first viable Northwest Passage route from the Orient to the West. This shift is redirecting strategic focus away from the Middle East and the protection of the Suez Canal—toward Alaska, Greenland, and Northern Canada.

The Northwest Passage slashes the voyage from the Orient to the West by over 5,000 nautical miles—a difference vast enough to reshape global supply chains forever. A new age of abundance will emerge, with the United States at its center. No longer shackled to military installations in the Middle East, no longer dependent on the Mediterranean, the Gulf of Aden, or the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, America will instead anchor its influence in the Arctic—a region far closer to its homeland.

And in this new era, Israel’s grip on the American elite, on Congress, and on future presidents will weaken—perhaps permanently.

Imperium mortuum est; Vivat Imperium!
https://youtu.be/auFpowDCLB8

>>509622712 (OP)
good job america. i support ya.

>>509622712 (OP)
So they'll flee to non-hillbilly states.

Got what I voted for. Still not enough, but its a good start.

>>509630580
Does India have any problems with illegal aliens the way the US does?

>>509622712 (OP)
Got what I voted for award

>>509622712 (OP)
>live in any above state
>birth baby in a state that's not listed
>get citizenship
nothing personnel, kid

>>509623891
impossible to implement irl
otherwise the country will be officially divided into two in a year later

>>509625352
pretty much yeah, it will cause an actual civil war just like before, it doesn't make sense a one state will recognize citizenship and another won't in the SAME country, either two new countries and thus US is done, and a civil war and whoever wins it will make their laws

>>509633990
All those illegals would gladly take up arms to fight to become citizens. Damn shame they won't do the same today to overthrow the people who made their homes shitholes in the first place.

>>509628974
>Tell that to every single state that issues birth certificates.
There is also a Certificate of Live Birth, they are willfully being in open rebellion.

>>509633243
it won't happen because the question is federal citizenship. The Feds can require proof of parental status should anyone from one the non-compliant states seek Federal Citizenship. Hell, they should not be able to issue an SSN at birth without proof, easy-peasy.

>>509634755
That's where SCOTUS comes in in October.

>>509633990
>Constitutional Carry
Still no civil war, you are being hyperbolic. States give fuckall about Federal Citizenship except for reporting requirements (dead beat dads act requiring a SSN for everything, etc). Every American "citizen" (A national is another thing all together) has two citizenships, Federal and the state in which they reside.

>>509634926
I can see it going either way, I have zero faith in Roberts or ACB. That said I have friends going the US National route and successfully leaving the USA Inc tax regime behind.

>>509622712 (OP)
Can illegals with California citizenship move to Florida or Utah? If so, it is worthless...

>>509622712 (OP)
it's actually 50 states.
stay mad though.

>>509635085
No, read the EXECUTIVE ORDER:
>“policy of the United States” to no longer ISSUE or ACCEPT documentation of citizenship in two scenarios: “(1) when [a] person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when [a] person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.”

>>509635116
Oh, nice. I hope it triggers mass deportation because parents of anchor babies are still illegals, so they’ll be forced to be deported. Most times, they’ll take their anchor babies with them.

>>509622712 (OP)
>inb4 those states have zero Chinese tourists

too little too late. The damage is done. The cancer has metastasized.

>>509622712 (OP)
>jump onto US Military base
>shit out kid
>peace out with anchor baby

>>509624326
Nah, you’re too late to get preggo now. EO 14160 says the kid’s gotta be born on or before Feb 18, 2025, for that sweet US citizenship. If you’re still illegal, you’re getting deported anyway, so you’ll face a tough call with your anchor baby—take the kid with you or ditch it to some foster pedo abusive parents. Your choice. :^)

>>509633243
Not only will we not divide in two, but we will actually stop being divided in two. America is currently divided in half by an artificial border used to terrorize 30 million Americans, and soon we will abolish that border and reintegrate the northern half of our country. Anyone on the other side who does anything meaningful to impede us will be sent to South Sudan or El Salvador, so resistance will be put down quickly.

>>509622712 (OP)
Puerto Rico? Virgin islands?

>>509626460
No way they can make it retroactive. How far back they going to go? What if you’re three generations down the line from your grandparents coming illegally? Just no way it’d get public support. Why I doubt SCOTUS will make a ruling. If they did it would be from this point on now retroactively

>>509622712 (OP)
Does this mean birth certificates are soon to be invalid?

>>509637017
see >>509636032

>>509624128
Can confirm if you don't have a mailing address feds go crazy.

>>509626435
>be leftist
>destroy state
>move out because all your protections and comfort were dismantled
>rinse and repeat

>>509636604
>No way they can make it retroactive

Tiered citizenship
Tier 1:
If your family has been here since before the civil war, you are a tier 1 citizen. This encompasses North Western Europeans, Native Americans, and the descendants of slaves. You have full rights.

Tier two:
Family arrived 1865-1964. You are an Ellis Islander. You can't hold high public office. You can only serve in the house of representatives (Muh Trump, I don't care)

Tier 3:
If your family arrived here after 1964, you are a non-citizen. You have no rights at all. Think of migrant workers in Dubai.

>>509637111
That explains nothing.

Most citizens are "birthright"

That is to say, legal citizens have been for a very long time simply born in the USA. Our record of that is normally a birth certificate which indicates the location your mother birthed you,

"An end to Birthright citizenship" read extremely leniently, could indicates an end to citizenship in general. As such indicates that some other feature makes someone American.

If it is't being born here, what is it?

Anchor babies? How far back does this go? Veitnam babies born in 1974? All the germs and irish who cane over in 1860?

This seems like an arbitrary line to draw in the sand, is the issue birth certificate fraud?

If an ICE agent decides that I'm not a citizen and i have proof that I am a member of society. How would I prove this other than a birth certificate, which itself assumes I have a right to be USA as I was born

>>509637539
Lmao, calm down, brainlet. EO 14160 doesn’t end birthright citizenship for everyone, just screws over kids born after Feb 18, 2025, if mom’s illegal or on a temp visa and dad’s not a citizen or green card holder. Your birth certificate’s fine if you were born before—14th Amendment’s still got you. Anchor babies? Only the new ones get hit, not your grandpa’s Irish ass from 1860 or some Vietnam kid from ‘74. ICE ain’t digging that far back, retard. Fraud? Nah, it’s about stopping future ‘anchor babies,’ not your existential crisis. Can’t prove you’re American? Show your birth cert or passport, dumbass—works unless you’re forging it. Stop sperging, read the damn order. :^)

>>509637685
That’s how I think SCOTUS will rule if they even make a ruling. I don’t think they will. The will punt it back down to lower courts because they don’t want to touch it even though Trump has a winning case against it