Thread 509641554

In the 1950s they stopped teaching Euclid's Elements and mathematical proofs in public schools. Why? They tell you it's for more comprehension and less rote memorization, which would make the knowledge last longer. This is clearly bullshit. The covert agenda was to remove all logic teaching from public schools to make people more easily manipulated.

Is AI actually on our side? Based and redpilled AI? I thought whatever information is concealed won't be revealed by AI, covert agendas etc. I thought AI only compiles stuff that's already online, with all of its flaws.

Are people more easily manipulated now compared to the 1950s? Do you have any examples to share? In my experience public school is lacking, but parents should not rely on it to do more than provide a basic frame work.

Age of Revelation, Age of Initiation, Age of Aquarius, Age of AI

>>509642330

You spend 12 years in public school learning almost nothing. Wake up.

They removed grammar, logic and rhetoric from the masses, but not from the elite. They still teach it at yeshivas, in Freemasonry and at schools like Eton College.

https://youtu.be/AOcy6RHw7A8

>>509641554 (OP)
>The covert agenda was to remove all logic teaching from public schools to make people more easily manipulated.
yes. it's jews who did it too. See John Dewey. also see "New Math" movement of the 1960s

>>509642979
Yeah I was referring to the New Math movement which started in the 1950s. But they started phasing out logic even before that. People used to learn to parse texts, study grammar, logic and rhetoric as a unified system, as interconnected disciplines, basically as one subject. However there was still logic in math education, but when they did away with that there was no logic left in public schools, the project was complete. I will look into John Dewey.

Which Jews are you referring to? Googling says John Dewey was not a Jew.

>>509643813
Dewey was a jew. He left actual evangelical Christianity (synagogue of satan pilled) for secular humanism. Which is one of the most jew things you can do as a non-jew

>>509643912
Not an argument, and you said Jews, plural.

>>509643995
And who do you think molded his secular humanist views away from being synagogue of satan pilled?

John Dewey apparently had connections to secret societies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Psi_(University_of_Vermont)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Upsilon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_Beta_Kappa

>>509644036
I'm a facts and logic guy, not a vague conjecture guy.

>>509644047
Sorry but being born in jew york and leaving from being synagogue of satan pilled to become a secular humanist, in fuckin pre vatican 2 is clearly jewry. context is key

>>509644202
You're not making a strong argument. You said Jews were behind removing logic from public schools. And all you have to back it up is his ideology shifted, and it must be Jews who influenced him to do this. Too vague, too speculative, too far-fetched. You might as well say anyone who was Christian was doing what they did because of Jews, because Jews 2k years ago started the religion or whatever.

>>509642209
kek, results seen already
prosecutor making case against validity of presidential elections there last week literary called about muh feelings of 50k registered protesters (not that elections are valid tho, imho both sides did things invalidating them, also our high jury is basically illegal, long story)

>>509642833
>brain damaged by circumcision
>PTSD from school
>nagging mother stereotype
no wonder they are schizos

>>509644711
No, rather goyim are autists because they removed corporal punishment and bullying, they still do that at private schools. In Sweden there was a book/movie which was mostly about this culture at one of the few private schools in the country, of course it's propaganda for the masses about how evil corporal punishment/hazing/bullying is, removing it is yet another trick for enslaving the masses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazing_in_fraternities_and_sororities

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_(novel)

https://youtu.be/Qo-039DujdE

https://youtu.be/CM_wXCrcxnU

https://friends.se/en/

>>509644711
Anyway the interesting part of that text was the part I highlighted.

>>509641554 (OP)
>No more geometry for you goy
They had to make way for jewish set theory and other non-constructivist mathematics. Geometry is useful in building and carpentry and other acts of creation that jews hate. Also, Euclid's 47th is now for the super secret handshakers, and not for profane masses

>>509641554 (OP)
>remove all logic teaching
Turns out that's hardware. Noggers can only do "associative logic". Silogisms and predicate calculus and shit are obviously obvious to autists and only need to be "taught" to spiritual cowans. Real mathematics is ancient geometry, then complex numbers, then some calculus on manifolds, geometric tensor and shit.

>>509645473
It's not just geometry, they still teach geometry. Euclid's Elements has a lot of logic, including what they call mathematical proofs. There is zero logic in math of public schools today, or in anything taught in public schools.

>set theory
Are you hallucinating or deliberately polluting the thread? There is no set theory taught in K-12 public school.

>Euclid's 47th is now for the super secret handshakers, and not for profane masses
Source? None of Euclid's Elements is for the masses today.

>>509643912
>>509644047
He had some creepy lake house and an in crowd who holidayed up north then peddled their poison back in the big city. I wanna guess he was (((quaker))) at worst or some kinda antinomianism as cover.

>>509645641
Nope, you're either brainwashed or deliberately shitting up the thread.

>>509645768
>I'm going to pretend not to know the occult associatives of 47 then accuse others of either ignorance or malfeasance
You are the bad actor, projectionist on an anonymous image board. My posts were stacked with obvious knowing and noticings. You satanist are so afraid. SHUT IT DOWN!!!

>>509645768
>no set theory taught in K-12 public school.
You are posting with Scandinavian flag, I with an African one and you want to argue about what isn't in the ever shrinking no child left behind curriculum of a third party country in current time? That is dishonest sophistry, my neo-platonist friend.

>>509642330
Watch literally any video of students from the 40s/50s and it becomes clear that modern adults are dramatically dumber than the children in the 50s. "BUT THOSE CHILDREN ARE NOW DUMB ADULTS" - you say. That's true which shows how much society determines its own intelligence.

When society expected and taught that thinking critically was good people thought critically. When they stopped caring about it they got dumb.

Here is a video of kids discussing propaganda in 1948
https://youtu.be/8AGpILvdwDM

>>509646012
>My posts were stacked with
They were stacked with garbage, leave the thread now Herbert Garrison.

>>509646316
>leave the thread now
You need to go back to red-dit you worthless roastie.

>>509646316
Why do you midwits start talking about your tv programming whenever you feel intellectually insecure?

>>509646793
I'm not intellectually insecure. You're just shitting up the thread with random bullshit. If I had a ban button I would click it.

>>509646885
>I don't want you in my thread
I don't want you on my board.

We are not the same.

>>509646974
You don't learn geometry, but you learn set theory. Schools don't want you to be able to do manual labor. Your posts are just utter garbage, with no other purpose than to make the thread less readable. Just fuck off JIDF.

>>509647354
Get off my imageboard you worthless mid tier dunning krugeress authoritarian roastie.

>>509641554 (OP)
Logicanon from Sweden, it's you again! I'm already undoing my NPC programming with Van Cleave's textbook on logic. Can you recommend a similar text on rhetoric?

>>509641554 (OP)
They still do mathematical proofs (applying angle and circle theorems), but that sense of building up a library of theorems from axioms is gone.

>>509648058
That's great. I've mostly studied logic, I'm trying to study more grammar and rhetoric. For grammar I downloaded Wheelock's Latin, because in the Trivium in the classical education it was Latin and Greek grammar they studied. I don't know a lot about rhetoric and I'm trying to find good materials. I have The Trivium by Miriam Joseph, haven't read it, don't know if I will because it's a female author, but anyway it seems like only a small part of it deals with rhetoric, one or two chapters I think it was. I have this book by Isaac Watts which I'm reading. What's interesting is that it seems like what we today call grammar, logic and rhetoric were all called logic in the past, they were taught as a unified system, and this book seems to come from that tradition. It has both grammar and rhetoric. Rhetoric he calls "disposition" or "method", part 4 of the book is about this.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

One of the important concepts in rhetoric is the enthymeme. Reading this article was helpful. Also, I read a part of Introduction to Logic by Irving Copi. All logic books I've read had flaws and I think this was no exception, but I think the best thing is to read various materials and learn something from each. Anyway it had a very interesting passage on how an enthymeme can be just one proposition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthymeme

>>509649110
The table of contents is missing but I found one online, the page numbers aren't matching though.

>>509648335
Don't know what you mean. We learned absolutely nothing about mathematical proofs in school.

>>509641554 (OP)
>to increase comprehension instead of rote memorization
that is truly absurd since euclid is the ultimate path to comprehension. if you get the concepts in the first book you could sit down for a few years and work out a lot of the other books on your own without ever seeing them.

>>509649366
I'm not making it up. We are fed so many lies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Math#Overview

https://www.google.com/search?q=when+did+they+stop+teaching+mathematical+proofs+in+public+schools

>>509649290
I should have been less obtuse. I was talking about the UK curriculum.

>>509641554 (OP)
Why do I need to learn shapes?
I just have to kiss my bosses arse and make up lies for not being in work, what else is there in work life?

>>509649110
>That's great. I've mostly studied logic, I'm trying to study more grammar and rhetoric.

Which books do you recommend for logic?

>>509649755
It's not about the shapes, they still teach that, Euclidean geometry, again, contains a lot of logic, you learn about propositions, arguments, deduction etc. They had already phased out that in relation to parsing texts, but it was still in math and you can easily transfer it to other areas of life, can't have that if you want a class of unthinking sheep so they did away with it, zero logic in any subject in school today for the masses.

>>509649793
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508076799
>>509649426

Who the would teach a course like this?.

It certainly wouldn't be math teachers. Math teachers in the US would struggle to pass a course like this.

Someone good at math becoming a math teacher is like someone good at cooking working at McDonalds. The only POSSIBLE reasons for being there are either for the benefits or because the job is close to home.

This might be a good book to check out. Geometry was part of the Quadrivium.

https://archive.org/details/firstsixbooksofe00byrn

>>509650094
>Who the would teach a course like this?.
Dude, I literally offered to add some value to this thread (actual mathematician of ability) but was chased away by this maths ed roastie. I am literally one of the last pearl before swine casters and my days of doing so are numbered with small numbers.

>>509650481
Moral advantages of geometry? Saw this now.

https://noblescienceroyalart.wordpress.com/2017/03/25/the-moral-advantages-of-geometry

>>509650457
You've posted nothing but garbage. No wonder you're brainwashed when you're a public school teacher kek.
>logic is just obvious to anyone with half a brain, no need to study it
>Jews don't want you in construction work
Any other wisdom you want to share?

>>509651744
>you're a public school teacher
Anyway I might have misread that part so just ignore it, wouldn't be surprised if you are though, brainwashed and thread polluting as you are.

>>509645641
>only need to be "taught" to spiritual cowans.
cowan = one who is not a Freemason
Wtf are you even talking about? You ironically need to study logic because you don't know how to back up a statement.

I guess the "mathematician" had no wisdom to share and nothing to back up statements with, he just wanted to shit up the thread and leave, all while claiming to be "casting pearls before swine" kek.