Thread 509650974

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Edom, Amalek, and the Hidden Faces of Rome: A Meditation on Memory and Meaning
“Zekher Amalek timḥeh”—“You shall blot out the memory of Amalek” (Deut. 25:19). This command, ancient and eternally troubling, has echoed through the corridors of Jewish history with a resonance that transcends its immediate historical context. What begins in Tanakh as a national imperative becomes, in the hands of the Sages, a symbol of eternal enmity and spiritual resistance. Yet this symbol is not static. It evolves, shifts, and at times, assumes the garments of history itself.

I. The Scriptural Foundations and Their Midrashic Echoes
In Sefer Shemot, Amalek emerges as the first nation to attack Israel following the Exodus (Ex. 17:8–16). The Torah's command is unequivocal: “God will be at war with Amalek from generation to generation.” This is expanded in Devarim 25, which commands Israel not to forget, but rather to actively obliterate the memory of Amalek.

Chazal wrestled with the difficulty of this mitzvah. In Midrash Tanchuma (Ki Teitzei 9), Amalek is portrayed not merely as a nation but as the very embodiment of kefirah, of spiritual doubt and coldness. Likewise, Bereishit Rabbah 65:21 links Esav to Amalek through Eliphaz, constructing a genealogy of opposition.

But the most striking evolution is the conflation of Edom—the nation descending from Esav—with Rome, and eventually with Christian civilization. This linkage appears already in Midrash Tanchuma, Haazinu 1, and becomes a fixed point in Jewish thought. Pirqei de-Rabbi Eliezer (ch. 38) identifies the "four kingdoms" of exile (Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome), with Rome/Edom as the final and most pernicious, whose exile continues until the days of Mashiach.

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II. Rome and Amalek in the Eyes of the Rishonim
By the time of Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon (Maimonides), this interpretive tradition had long taken root. In his Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot 5:4, he rules that the mitzvah to destroy Amalek remains binding in the Messianic future, alongside the appointment of a king and the construction of the Temple. Notably, he includes a practical mechanism for fulfilling this command—only once the identity of Amalek has been clarified and a just war declared by a king of Israel.

In his Iggeret Teiman, Maimonides goes further. There, he speaks of two religious movements—Islam and Christianity—that have arisen to test Israel’s faith, and he identifies the latter as a form of “Rome in spiritual garb.” He refers to “that man,” Jesus of Nazareth, and describes the movement that followed him as misleading but ultimately part of the divine plan, quoting the verse “For My thoughts are not your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:8).

Although he does not name Amalek directly in this context, the placement of Christianity within the orbit of Edom, and thus within the archetype of Amalek, is suggested by the intertextual structure of his halakhic and polemical writings.

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III. Shushan, Persia, and the Shadow of Agag
Turning briefly to the Book of Esther, we find Haman the Agagite, a title linking him explicitly to Agag, king of Amalek. The geographical setting of the Megillah—Shushan, capital of Persia—invites further contemplation. Modern archaeology situates Shushan in Khuzestan Province, southwestern Iran. While no known community today claims descent from Haman, or even from ancient Shushan, the Zoroastrian community of Iran—particularly those centered in Yazd and Kerman—preserve the religious framework of pre-Islamic Persia, under whose auspices Haman rose.

In rabbinic imagination, however, Haman is not merely a Persian minister, but the eternal Amalekite, now cloaked in the robes of empire and courtly intrigue.

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IV. Toward the End of Days: The Hasidic Reframing
The teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson zt”l, engage deeply with the mitzvah of meḥiyat Amalek. In his commentary on Parashat Zachor and Purim, he emphasizes that although the obligation to destroy Amalek remains, its application in the current generation is spiritual. Amalek today is not an identifiable nation, but a force: the internal doubt, the cooling of passion, the assimilation into exile.

The Rebbe does not dismiss the halakhic obligation, but defers its practical fulfillment to the Messianic age, where the identity of Amalek will be revealed by divine means. In this way, his stance offers a measured yet faithful continuation of Maimonides’ approach.

One might observe, with delicacy, that this approach allows for a theological parallel with certain eschatological themes in Christian scripture. Just as Apocalypsis speaks of a final reckoning, so too does the Rebbe envision the confrontation with Amalek as part of the Messianic unfolding.

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V. Epilogue: The Memory That Persists
The memory of Amalek, paradoxically, persists because the Torah commands us both to remember and to erase. This tension has animated centuries of interpretation.

In the days of the Tanakh, Amalek was a desert tribe, ruthless and cowardly. In the days of Chazal, he became the spiritual archetype of safek (doubt). In the days of the Rishonim, he wore the imperial purple of Rome. In our own time, he hides behind the veneer of reason, modernity, and even religious piety.

Each generation identifies its Amalek, and each generation must confront him according to its tools.

The sages taught: “In every generation, a person is obligated to see himself as if he went out of Egypt.” Perhaps it follows: in every generation, one must also ask—where is Amalek now?

And just as the Torah cautions us not to forget, it leaves the timing of the final meḥiyah in the hands of the One who declares the end from the beginning.

Sources Cited
• • Devarim 25:17–19, Shemot 17:8–16
• • Midrash Tanchuma, Ki Teitzei 9; Haazinu 1
• • Bereishit Rabbah 65:21
• • Pirqei de-Rabbi Eliezer, ch. 38
• • Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Melachim uMilchamot 5:4; Hilchot Melachim 11
• • Maimonides, Iggeret Teiman
• • Teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe on Parashat Zachor and Purim

>>509650974 (OP)
You write this using Jewish language. "the sages taught", "in the days of the tanakh", wtf? You know what you're doing any anyone that you submit this to will as well

>>509651730
It’s an important thematic of my studies, I might have picked up the style.

>>509651906
Yeah, nah. Fuck off kike

These Amalek sound chill. My bros now

By this religious structure of Chabad you attach yourself to the zionist entity and to the vision of this atheist man. Nothing of this can be legitimate, because the zionist project is inherently blasphemous and godless in origin.

And this "Amalek" as you describe it is their justification for unholy genocide. The premise is that this secularist project led by politicians, not the divinely appointed rulers of Israel, is in fact the Israel of Scripture to begin with contending with its enemies of the Scripture.

It can't be, it is not in its origins and can't be twisted into what it isn't. For this reason, it is a satanic inversion. That is the center of this, this holy name Israel, and using it to give power to something it is not.

Just because you call it Israel does not mean it is. There is no denying its origins, and its origins are not holy. No matter how badly you want it to be, you can't force it to be something it is not. And if you try to appoint a Moshiach on top of all of this blood and injustice against God, he will be a false Messiah on a godless foundation.

>>509651906
>submitting it to a catholic newsletter
>will be invited to the sanhedrin of your diocese
???

The only other parts of your narrative I would spend further detail on would be as follows:
You have explained amalek, and mentioned rome as edom, but you never explained the relation of edom/esav to amalek.
>the four kingdoms of exile are babylon, persia, greece, and rome
>and this relates to amalek how?

Secondly is the mention of zorastrianism as "pre-islamic". It's pre-judaic, and islam is itself judaic. Semantics, but merely labeling it as pre-islamic seems to give judaism more significance.

Third is that the majority of rabbis I've seen explicitly state that amalek is the european people, not some spiritual battle.

>>509650974 (OP)
kek Beershit rabbi

>>509652717
because Maimonides (Rambam, 1138–1204), writing in the Islamic world during the Middle Ages, was certainly aware that the ancient nation of Amalek had long ceased to exist as a clearly identifiable ethnic group. So when he writes that there is a commandment to destroy the descendants of Amalek, we must ask: whom could he have possibly meant?

here’s the crucial part — some Jewish traditions from the Geonic and early medieval periods did identify specific contemporary nations as Amalek.

>>509652647
The Chabad is literally the one tradition that is most moderate in this debate

>>509652717
North European peoples are yapheth meds are from Esau. Amalek is indeed a spiritual status, specifically the desire to fight against God. the rabbis call hamas amalek too.

>>509652979
>So when he writes that there is a commandment to destroy the descendants of Amalek, we must ask: whom could he have possibly meant?
Each leap you make weakens your argument.
You already said previously that some see it as a spiritual value, so phrasing it as such, "who else could he have meant?" not only opens the door to "other peoples / countries besides those four", but also the aforementioned "well, it was the spiritual zeitgeist that compelled the ancient nation of amalek to act that way, so that's what we must fight".
I'm about to sleep so all I'll suggest is that open ended questions allow deviation from the point you want to make. Structure it better is all (as well as include that in the previously typed up parts of course).

Lastly, if this is indeed for a catholic newsletter, re-read several catholic writings and then rewrite it with a less jewish bent.
If it's actually for something jewish then it's fine.

>>509650974 (OP)
You need to wash your Snorp first
https://youtu.be/3PErRYjUsX0

nypa
So Edom and the Amalek are related. Edom is an extension of the Amalek and the Amalek, in general, were the captors of the Proto-Ashkenazi who were dumped in the Ukraine or Turkey region, which is adjacent (more or less) to Anatolia. Anatolia, Greater Scythia or Asia Minor, was the ancient ancestral nexus of the Scythians. Being that the Edomites, sort of like the Hyksos, their distant relatives (despite quite a few odd commonalities) travelled back and forth between Egypt and Anatolia so much, it makes perfect sense that they'd at some point acquire a bunch of desert mutts from the Levant's surrounding area.
This is the best fit I've got for them and the overall story so far. What I don't quite understand, however, is how these people are allergic to the local olive trees in the Galilee region. I'm also not sure I'm understanding how they didn't develop the lactose tolerance of other agrarian cultures if they were indeed descendant (even if they're mutt rape babies who were at best slaves at any time) of the tall white people with red hair.

>>509653801
I drink milk every day and have no pollen allergies (i worked at an allergy immunotherapy factory)

The Sanhedrin is Jewish not catholic.
This is incredibly Israeli, I couldn’t even read it. Please give me a tldr without all the Hebrew nonsense.

>>509653923
>and what about this exception I just thought of?!
Yes, I'm well aware there are exceptions. But we're talking about a people who murder other people because they're "living on my land". The trouble with that is the vast majority of them cannot metabolize lactose and they're allergic to the local plants. To make matters worse, their culture's texts have little mention of Bees or Honey and when they do, they question whether or not it's Kosher. If that wasn't bad enough, they called all of the encoded Proto-Christian texts "Jewish", but if you read the texts, they're filled with clearly not-Jewish themes.
So someone is lying here. The common denominator here is the stack of tallied lies we've all accounted for, which just happen to be in the "jewish" basket.

>>509654007
Okay, so the tl;dr is incredibly simple:
They just sort of made it up.
There is no "Ancient Hebrew". There certainly weren't any "Ancient Hebrews". They didn't even kill the guy they all insist they hate and desperately wanted to have killed - that was the Romans.
So someone is using a sort of scapegoat and it's keeping all of you chasing each other's tales.
The real question here is what became of the Proto-Christians, who had it out for them, where did they flee to and what happened to the survivors (if there were any).

>>509654261
So established Christianity is a lie, got it

>>509654092
Honey whenever mentioned in Torah refers to date honey not bee honey

>>509654392
That's exactly correct, yes. You don't use the correct words to describe what you mean, but overall you do have the proper idea. The gist is they lied to you and at incredible lengths.
The whole "a-and Christians are all jewish because the main guy was jewish lol" bullish is nothing more. Clearly "Jesus" wasn't jewish. The texts with "Hebrew" were only around a century or two before his whole ordeal got started. Hell, the Talmud wasn't written until centuries after he and his team of rad lads got moving out of the region. So all of this is totally nonsense.
Do you want to know what Christianity really was? It was a Greco-Egyptian Mystery Religion and it centered around what you now call a "Refrigerium", which focused on the Psychopomp named Aurelia Prima. It was conducted in a catacomb or necropolis of some kind and, guided by the Psychopomp, the participants were led through to the "land of the Dead" and they were able to interface with their dead loved ones.
"Refrigerium" meant refreshments. It's where we get Refrigerator from today. The drink was the same as it was elsewhere barring a few minor additions or preparation discrepancies. "Jesus" and his friends were essentially getting everyone very high by drinking spiked wine.
In reality, this whole thing was apart of "Jesus"' rebellion against the slave traders, who he defied, freeing his people.
>>509654633
That's the point, silly. It's how we know all of these angles are full of shit.
When the Proto-Christians were performing and talking about their rituals, they never shut up about Bees, Honey, Honeycomb, Artemis/Anahita, Apollo/Sol Invictus/Horus/Osiris.
Hell, the Talmud posits whether or not Honey, of all things, in the "Land of Milk and Honey", is Kosher. What the fuck?

>Cut down the tall trees.
The tall Amalek trees.

>>509650974 (OP)
Edom is in modern Jewry
-Jewish Encyclopedia.

>>509654784
Yeah, this is actually not a joke even though you think that it is.

>>509654392
Shut up Poo/Moe/tranny you are too dense to make arguments. You are like a child whining at his mum to buy him a sportsball in the supermarket
>Waaagh! Because i want it
it’s embarrassing for you but you don’t understand because you don’t understand the subject, you’re not up to it, you do not have the wherewithal.

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>>509654966
Nah, he's right.
Kierkegaard was right.

>>509654891
You don’t know what I think. Do a reverse search on the images. I’ve been writing this here since Benny made his call.
Bidi Net&Yahoo made an open call for genocide, just like the one made at the outset of the Rwandan genocide.
As we’ve seen complicity from all judaism in the dirty behaviours of the genocide in every country it’s not zionism, Israel or the IDF who are the genocidal organisation it is Judaism which needs to be illegal everywhere on planet Earth, forever.
I made this pic and a couple of others the moment Benny made his not very veiled call for genocide. Did he imagine that nobody but his target audience of Satanic Judaism (ordinary mainstream judaism praises Satan as a standard practice) would understand his reference? Or does the corrupt power of the central banking families (the openly Satanic Rothschilds) mean that he can just do genocide and be above reproach?
Judaism is at fault and all members of that organisation are just as 100% guilty of genocide as is Benny and the IDF.
Many times people have faced this same problem of Satanic judaism and usually what happens is they decide
>we don’t want to be as bad as them
and so jews end up merely segregated, well cared for and living in a ghetto for a period waiting to be sprung by the Satanic power which they worship. This time judaism needs to be completely and absolutely ended, forever. The efforts put into ending nazism which was probably innocent of most of the accusations made against it and definitely was innocent of any of lies perpetuated by the lying cult of judaism never the less make a good example. What happened to the nazis needs to happen to Judaism. Until that happens nobody is safe and nobody can expect humans to be able to live happily upon this planet.

>>509655041
If you blankly assert so who am i to scoff.

>>509655276
I'm afraid you're nothing more than a useful idiot. The degree of useful, I would personally dispute, for the record.

>>509654764
Because it means “the land of milk and [date] honey”

>>509656989
>i-it's not about Bees though!
This is how I know, without absolute certainty, that you're unfamiliar with the texts.
Actually read the books, anon. This is important. It reveals a very obvious sign that you can no longer possibly ignore.
To begin, you're going to want to find out where "Melissa" comes from.

>>509657085
>without
Just with

>>509654764
reminds me of this /x/ post from a while back, its probably larping bullshit but it seems to line up perfectly with what OP found

>>509651134
>The memory of Amalek, paradoxically, persists because the Torah commands us both to remember and to erase. This tension has animated centuries of interpretation.
This is indicative not of the evolution of Judaism, but of its inherent failure from the start. Allowing for reinterpretation and eternal remembrance of Amalek is excusing an eternal delay in the return of the supposed "Moshiach"... a character whom, if the Abrahamic faith were at all true, would have appeared well over a thousand or two thousand years ago. There would be no more delays. Instead, you have a new sect with a dime-store messianic figure like Menachem Mendel Schneerson at least every few generations, a low-grade Jim Jones cult of Jews who eventually fall by the wayside because their belief in the immediacy of the Moshiach's return fails to come to fruition... as it always fails. For every year that Judaism continues from its inception, it gets further and further from its roots, holding on only to its racism and xenophobia, its narcissism and its lack of compassion for its fellow man. Judaism is now referred to as "a religion of loopholes" by its own adherents. How is such a thing a blueprint for spiritual or moral guidance? It is a failed faith, and both Islam and Christianity, as inheritors of its failings, despite being reform movements of it that improve things greatly from their source, are both turd-polisher religions in that no matter how you try to decorate and try to reformulate Judaism, its core is rotten.

>>509650974 (OP)
You are wrong already by identifyinf amalek as rome. The jews are the amalek, the esau.
Theologically by rejecting Christ and ethnically as well.