If so, does he love us?

>>509656329 (OP)
Well do you think you have a soul or not?

Would the answer matter to you? Ultimately, how does it affect your life? You either choose to Believe in such things, or you don't. Ultimately, you get your answer post-mortem, if there's any answer at all. Why debate these things? How would it change your life?

>>509656329 (OP)
if real he's got a great sense of humor

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

>>509656329 (OP)
I receive signs from God all the time. I literally have conversations with Christ through signs. I know He is real now. There is no denying it for me. I was blessed with signs because I am a true believer. He will bless you with the same signs too. I'm am trying to be gifted telekinesis by the Holy Spirit. Christ has no yet given me my telekinetic powers though. But I have seen signs that I will probably get them.

>>509656329 (OP)
God is real but so is evil. God loves all people but he doesn't force any to resist evil. You resist evil because you align yourself with God's will.

>>509656329 (OP)
If god exists he either doesn't care or he really likes seeing us suffer, but ultimately it doesn't matter.

>>509657014
Lucifer is God and Satan. Ancient divide and conquer.

>>509656329 (OP)
> "If God real, why bad things happen" thread #6745

>OMG A DEFORMED PERSON. THAT'S PROOF THERE'S NO GOD

Why are homosexuals like this?

>>509656329 (OP)
About as real as the holohoax.

>>509656329 (OP)
looks like humpty dumpty after a bad car crash

>>509658794
>christkeks cope about the existence of their logically impossible god, thread #6745

>>509658794
Problem of Evil mindbreaks every single abrahamcuck thougheverbeit.

>>509659128
>There is a Benevolent, Omnipotent and Omniscient god
>allow bad things (that aren't necessary for free will) to happen
????

>>509656329 (OP)
yes, want proof?
google "victoria justice leaks"

>>509659423
>>509659464
> "You mean God send you challenges and if you overcome them, you receive eternal bliss? So illogical. If God real, why bad things happen?"

>>509659464
no they will go "but there is no objective evil" or "free will means evil can exist", you need to replace evil with suffering to negate that cope even though a sane human being understands evil is basically when a person knowingly causes unnecessary suffering to another person. And suffering has to be unnecessary to be evil to make it so suffering caused in self defense doesn't fit the definition. And it has to be known to the person causing it that they are in fact causing someone else to suffer to be evil, to make it so suffering caused by ignorance isn't the result of evil. You can have free will without suffering, and suffering is an objective truth that doesn't require morals to comprehend.

Rename it "the problem of suffering" and christkeks can't come up with a good counter argument for it. it'll all be convoluted copes filled with illogical assumptions and bible verses lmfao.

>>509659965
> the problem of suffering
Elaborate. What is the argument?

>>509656329 (OP)
Yes
No
"Love" is made up feel good bullshit that people use to manipulate each other

>>509659543
Leaf, just stop. You are talking to literal brown people. It isnt just our countries infested with them. The entire internet is. They are brown. They love brown desert religions. Just stop trying to communicate with faggot jew lovers. They whine about heebs but love sucking off and slurping down the cum of their brown god.

>>509658794
Because there is bad thing in the eye of god and he treat everything like his toy.

>>509659929
>be 5 yo child
>get leukemia
>die
>"congratulations on overcoming your challenge! here's some eternal bliss!"
???

>>509659543
It makes perfect sense. God decided to only give heaven to those who overcome certain challenges he sends them. Everyone also receives this chance, so what's irrational here?

>>509656329 (OP)
Is that the king of globohomo?

>>509660175
Yes, what's irrational here? The kid suffered, and received compensation. You may disagree with the method, but you can't say there is no logic here

>>509660089
Literally the same as the problem of evil but replace evil with suffering and christkeks can't cope by saying evil is a morally subjective concept.

>>509660210
>God decided to only give heaven to those who overcome certain challenges he sends them
That means he's not benevolent. Thanks for playing!

>>509656329 (OP)
Yes and yes
If there is no judgment, there is no love. A small time to suffer is nothing compared to eternal salvation.
God made everything, then man with free will. We were deceived and cast out to live in sin. We had too make sacrifices of the the land to atone for sin. Lots of stuff happened then jesus, God as man incarnate came to die as the final sacrifice to thwart sin. Belief in His death and resurrection is your salvation. Walk with Christ as He is God and the only way.
You are tempted daily with the devil and in your free will, you chose evil principality or precepts of God.
You live, love, and die.

>>509656329 (OP)
>does he love us
Not you. God hates fags

>>509660374
What is "the problem of evil"? Can you explain it but with the whole replacing evil for suffering?
>>509660410
You are assuming someone benevolent will just give stuff for free. That is your subjective opinion, not an objective argument about logic. Literally nigger-tier thinking too: "if you dun gib me gibs, whypipo not gud"

>>509656329 (OP)
There is no evidence to suggest God exists. And if a god does exist, it isn't the god described in the Bible. The god described in the Bible is a Semitic tribal god that developed from the Canaanite pantheon. Biblical stories and the biblical god are incompatible with reality.

>>509660732
you are incompatible with life, monkey nigger

>>509656329 (OP)
nah. God is human ego incarnate

>>509660912
If there were no Christian hypocrites, there would be no Christians at all.

>>509660270
This is the ultimate christkek retardation. No matter how shitty of a life you get it's all supposed to be forgiven and forgotten because "muh eternal bliss" is supposed to make up for it lmfao. Why the FUCK would a benevolent God force you to suffer before you get to eternal bliss? Why not just give eternal bliss immediately?

>uhhhh because some retard and his whore disobeyed god once

Let's take a step back and think about this whole "human life is a test to enter heaven" bullshit. Omniscience means ALL KNOWING. WITHOUT LIMITS. Let's assume that a "soul" is eternal as it should be to spend eternity in afterlife. That means that god already knows what each soul will do during the span of its human life. Why the need for a test in the first place? He ALREADY KNOWS THE OUTCOME.

If he doesn't, he's not omniscient.
If he does and just wants you to suffer, he's not benevolent.
If he does, doesn't want you to suffer, but can't stop it, he's not omnipotent.

That should have been put down long ago.

>>509660270
>received compensation
Source?

>>509661010

> No matter how shitty of a life you get it's all supposed to be forgiven and forgotten because "muh eternal bliss" is supposed to make up for it lmfao
You sound very, very mad. Very irrational behavior. Now to your question - yes, if your compensation is infinite levels of unimaginable bliss forever until the end of time, then yes, all your earthly sufferings pales in comparison, and you are compensated
> Why the FUCK would a benevolent God force you to suffer before you get to eternal bliss
Why not? It doesn't matter if in the end you receive much greater compensation
> Why not just give eternal bliss immediately
God wants you to deserve goodness. Tell me, why should someone who voluntarily chose to be a rapist, or a murderer, receive eternal bliss the same as someone who did not commit such crimes? Do you think a benevolent ruler treats rapists and regular people the same?

> That means that god already knows what each soul will do during the span of its human life. Why the need for a test in the first place? He ALREADY KNOWS THE OUTCOME.
Because you must deserve it. Just because God knows what choice you will make, does not mean you aren't responsible for your choice. And not letting you make the choice, even if God already knows the outcome, is pretty unfair

Next cope?

>>509660670
>What is "the problem of evil"?
Jewgle it retard.

>>509660670
>You are assuming someone benevolent will just give stuff for free.
You are assuming that God has to "give" anything. There is no give or compensation to an omnipotent being. There's no effort involved. There's no transaction. Omnipotent = creates anything out of thin air. A benevolent god that's omnipotent could literally just spawn everyone on /pol/ a loyal tradwife. That's what omnipotence means. I means all powerful.

If you have the power to improve someone else's life at literally zero expense to yourself, and you refuse to do it, you're just not benevolent. There's no other option.

>>509661009
Past 50 years have been a godless atheists with heathen mentality dreamland to do whatever the fuck you want and here we are in 2025 as a pretty much godless nation in the US and just look at the state of it. Thanks for your influence, but you can sit down, shut the fuck up and let those with objective morals control things so you can have worthwhile work and find a suitable wife to have multiple children with you young, ignorant virgin of life.

>>509661321
Again, you aren't addressing my argument, and just rephrasing your own. You are saying "if God good and imnipotent, why no free gibs for all?"
My question is, why should everyone get free gibs? You are assuming benevolence means you must give without demanding a prerequisite.
You also mentioned "no transaction" - so what? God wants something, he wants you to be good during your life. If you are good, you get gibs. If not, no gibs.

Now, again, you are saying that bad people should receive gibs just like good people, and that it is somehow benevolent if they do. That is very silly
> If you have the power to improve someone else's life at literally zero expense to yourself, and you refuse to do it, you're just not benevolent. There's no other option.
Nah, not really. Benevolence does not mean improving the life of rapists and murderers, for example. I think it would be pretty shitty to do so actually, the opposite of benevolence

Israel lost

>>509661321
Like when God tells the Jews to genocide people and take the little girls as sex slaves? Or when God violates the pharaoh's free will and "hardens his heart" just so he could plague Egypt, including the killing of innocent children. Some great "objective morality" in your Jewish storybook.

>>509661314
>You sound very, very mad.
No I don't and that's not an argument.
>if your compensation is infinite levels of unimaginable bliss forever until the end of time, then yes, all your earthly sufferings pales in comparison, and you are compensated
lmfao this is unironically pathetic, bike cuck tier mentality. so if cut your legs and your arms off but then I hook you up to some magical eternal bliss device that means you've been compensated and I'm benevolent even though I could have just hooked you up to that device in the first place? Trust me bro I needed to do this to see if you're evil or not, it's totally not because I'm a sick fuck that enjoys watching other people suffer.
>Just because God knows what choice you will make, does not mean you aren't responsible for your choice.
You have to be mentally retarded not to see the illogical nature of that statement. God knows what choices you're gonna make. That means he knows if you're a good or bad "soul". That means he could just take every soul and immediately send them where they belong. That means there is literally no point to let good souls live among bad souls.

>>509656329 (OP)
If he is he doesn't care.

>>509661536
>My question is, why should everyone get free gibs? You are assuming benevolence means you must give without demanding a prerequisite.
To an all powerful god, it does.
>God wants something
Why? He's all powerful. He can have anything he wants.
>If you are good, you get gibs. If not, no gibs.
>you are saying that bad people should receive gibs just like good people
I literally never fucking said that lmfao. God knows everything? That means he can give to good souls only. Why does he need anything in return? He can have anything he wants. That's what omnipotence means. He logically doesn't need anything from humans. If he does, that means he's not omnipotent.

>Benevolence does not mean improving the life of rapists and murderers
Let me humor your strawman and pretend like I think evil people should get gibs, just to see what you reply.
So gibs for bad people. Why not? Why shouldn't evil people get eternal bliss? You literally said everyone they hurt has been compensated as part of that "test" you faggots claim God forces upon everyon. If that excuses god forcing this shit on everyone, why wouldn't it excuse the evil people that were also a part of this test?


Now that I think about it, if there is such a thing as a soul, and god is the ultimate creator of all things in the universe, doesn't that mean God created the evil souls he's gonna send to eternal damnation? God created the rapists and murderers? Why? Or is that Satan or some other pathetic cope you faggots come up with? Your all powerful god can't deal with Satan? That means he's not all powerful.

>>509656329 (OP)
hes real and he wants you to stop posting

>>509656329 (OP)
God the monolithic singular entity that's written about in a way that makes him look slightly schizophrenic and delusional? No.
God the good, goodness incarnate, a state of being and expression of harmony? There's millions of those who we call unvaccinated people.
They might not embody all the goodness that's part of Gúd (the PIE word that gave us both God and good in English), but they learn and improve.

As for the biblical singular entity, that's a work from manipulators in what became the Catholic Church, as an effort and attempt to establish a monopoly on the truth.
You can tell that's their aim because of the plurality of scientific and historical sources prior to the church, and the violence with which they exterminated people who said no to the church.

>>509661963
> No I don't and that's not an argument.
Yes you are, and I never said it was an argument. You called me a retard, that wasn't an argument either, no?
> lmfao this is unironically pathetic, bike cuck tier mentality
Hmm, that's not an argument
> so if cut your legs and your arms off but then I hook you up to some magical eternal bliss device that means you've been compensated
Sweet taste of strawman in the evening, my favorite. You are comparing a physical medical device to a literal magical transformation and magic-induced bliss, beyond human understanding
> even though I could have just hooked you up to that device in the first place
But what if you were a bad person? Why should he give it to bad people?
> You have to be mentally retarded not to see the illogical nature of that statement
Yikes, sounds like a non-argument to me chief
> God knows what choices you're gonna make. That means he knows if you're a good or bad "soul". That means he could just take every soul and immediately send them where they belong.
But why, if you haven't done it yet? It may be practical time-wise, but what should God care for time if he is eternal and omnipotent (meaning he, by definition of "omnipotent", can manipulate time or just ignore it entirely), but it isn't just at all. Imagine being sent to eternal hell without having done anything wrong - pretty unfair, no matter how you cope about it desu.
Now, if I spent a lifetime raping, murdering etc, then yes, me being sent to hell is fair. (remember that all suffering is pretty much cancelled out by the bliss victims receive, explained above)

Here's my take. God is real God is not human God does not feel or give two shits about what happens in your life. A Creator created reality and matter. God didn't create the grass and the birds and me or you. He created the matter in which we exist. He didn't create what's currently in it as far as biological matter. He created the building blocks. I think Jesus or the idea of Jesus isn't involved state of human sensibility. It's quite possible that the man was either highly schizophrenic to the point where he was psychic and a complete empath. Or he was just a straight empathic person. I believe that his people's religion rubbed him wrong and he took it and made something different of it and his own mind. Or he really was talking to God the whole time. Can I be sure of course not. Do I think the other religions are similar quite possibly. I think Buddhism is quite very similar to Jesus and his Outlook of peace and tranquility and being kind and nice to others. Anyway those are my basics. As for Odin and the Germanic gods and those views. That's a different story and a different conversation.

>>509662755
> To an all powerful god, it does.
Lol, not at all. Just because you have infinite gibs to give, does not mean it is good to give them to rapists and murderers. This is peak cope and inability to admit losing the argument, leaf.
> Why? He's all powerful. He can have anything he wants.
Why not? Who are you to look a gifted horse in the mouth? If God is ready to give me infinite eternal bliss if I just don't behave like a nigger for a few decades, it's not just a gifted horse, it's a gifted pegasus
> God knows everything? That means he can give to good souls only
That's... precisely my point though. If you are a good soul = get gib. If bad = no gibs. God just also gives you the chance to choose your own fate. (Reminder: just because God knows what choice you will make, does not mean it wasn't your free will and you are 100% responsible for said choice)
> So gibs for bad people. Why not? Why shouldn't evil people get eternal bliss?
Idk man, sounds kind of unfair. The guy who raped your daughter should go to heaven just like the daughter he raped? Hell no, super unfair

>>509662850
>Yes you are
Nice projection lmao.
>You are comparing a physical medical device to a literal magical transformation and magic-induced bliss, beyond human understanding
I'm comparing suffering before eternal bliss to suffering before eternal bliss. I literally said it's a magical eternal bliss device. There's no difference as far as you would be concerned. It's quite pathetic how hard you try to avoid the actual argument being made and nitpick your own flawed interpretation of it.
>But what if you were a bad person? Why should he give it to bad people?
That reply makes literally zero sense in relation to the line you quoted.
>But why, if you haven't done it yet?
Because god is omniscient. That means he knows what you'll do. So why wait until you do it? If you're evil that just means god is letting evil befall good souls when he could have just sent all the good souls to heaven and the bad souls to hell immediately. Why?
>Imagine being sent to eternal hell without having done anything

>remember that all suffering is pretty much cancelled out by the bliss victims receive, explained above
hahahahaha
>ok so you're an evil goy and you killed a bunch of people
>but because I'm a benevolent god I sent them to eternal bliss
>that eternal bliss is compensation to absolve myself of the fact that I let evil befall good people
>that means it basically never happened, that evil you did, doesn't actually matter, because these people are all in eternal bliss
>so basically your actions have sent a bunch of people to eternal bliss
>uhhhh.... but you're still going to hell because uhhhhh..... because I said so okay?!

God is real, imperfect, and retarded. Just like us.

>>509656329 (OP)

>>509656998
I'd like to experience this. How do you know the signs you receive are from God and not simply produced by your own consciousness?

>>509663111
>Just because you have infinite gibs to give, does not mean it is good to give them to rapists and murderers.
Why not?
>Why not?
Because he's all powerful and logically doesn't need anything from humans that he can't instantly create himself.
>That's... precisely my point though.
LMAO I love how you just stopped reading before the actual argument started, sure bud just ignore the part where I ask why he would need anything in return.
>just because God knows what choice you will make, does not mean it wasn't your free will
Logically speaking if a being knows what choices I will make before I make them, I have no free will.
>Idk man, sounds kind of unfair. The guy who raped your daughter should go to heaven just like the daughter he raped? Hell no, super unfair
So god is fair huh? I guess a 5 yo child dying of leukemia is fair then lmfao. Oh, right, eternal bliss. I forgot. Totally fair. Got to experience a fraction of what the average human does. But that eternal bliss just excuses everything in the mind of a christkek.

Also, who are you to decide what's fair and unfair?

Also, that eternal bliss is supposed to be compensation that absolves god of all "un-benevolent" like behavior in letting evil befall a good soul, so why shouldn't a rapist get eternal bliss if all his victims are getting eternal bliss? He just sent people to eternal bliss by raping them. Maybe he knew that was going to happen. Maybe he rapes you so you go to heaven. That's pretty benevolent if you ask me.

>>509656329 (OP)
god in his infinite wisdom created the concept of cancerous growth and made it so that photons at higher frequency act as ionizing radiation that leads to said cancer
something something "lé challenge"

>>509663924
You don't. The person you're replying to is off their meds.

>>509663986
no joke some christkek actually came up with the cope that it's our own fault because of environmental factors such as "humanity leaving its birthplace" thus living in a place we weren't meant to live. that would have been a good cope if not for the fact that cancer can happen from completely random genetic mutations, meaning you can get skin cancer in places where the sun don't shine, like under your feet.

>>509663745

>>509663745
Fin

>>509663531
> Nice projection lmao.
I am not the one spamming insults after every phrase ;)
> I'm comparing suffering before eternal bliss to suffering before eternal bliss. I literally said it's a magical eternal bliss device. There's no difference as far as you would be concerned
Alright, in that case yes, if you did something bad to me and then hooked me up to a magical infinity-bliss device for the rest of forever, then yes, it's a fair compensation
> That reply makes literally zero sense in relation to the line you quoted.
As far as I understood, you meant "why make you go through a test and not just send you to heaven right away", and that is what I replied to
> Because god is omniscient. That means he knows what you'll do.
Non-sequitur. It doesn't matter if God knows already, what matters is that you haven't committed the crime for which you would be sentenced. I already explained that it isn't fair to punish you for a crime before you even have the intention to do so. Once again, God does not care to save time - time is meaningless to a hypothetical omnipotent being. But God does care that you make your bad choice freely, and that he only punishes you for crimes you commit

>that eternal bliss is compensation to absolve myself of the fact that I let evil befall good people
Yep, pretty much. Sounds fair considering what infinite+eternal bliss means
>that means it basically never happened, that evil you did, doesn't actually matter, because these people are all in eternal bliss
Nope, it did. The person had one job - be good. He didn't do so. This isn't about retribution for those who suffered, it's purely a test for the person who commits/does not commit the crimes
>so basically your actions have sent a bunch of people to eternal bliss
Nope, God sent them to eternal bliss. The imaginary person in your example just raped and killed them for no good reason
>uhhhh.... but you're still going to hell because uhhhh
Because he is a bad person. Makes sense

>>509663970
Why not?
Because bad people shouldn't get gibs, fuck bad people. Sounds fair to me
> Because he's all powerful and logically doesn't need anything from humans that he can't instantly create himself.
It's not a matter of God receiving anything in return. It's a matter of not giving anything to bad people, and giving everything to the good. Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp
> LMAO I love how you just stopped reading before the actual argument started, sure bud just ignore the part where I ask why he would need anything in return
Already addressed this
> So god is fair huh? I guess a 5 yo child dying of leukemia is fair then lmfao.
If the kid then goes to heaven then yes, pretty fair. I wouldn't mind something bad happening to me if in the end it would all not affect me long term, and I'd go to heaven in return. Damn, sounds like a deal
> Also, who are you to decide what's fair and unfair?
I am speculating, obviously. You asked why God may be doing this, I told you because he probably sees it as fair too
> Also, that eternal bliss is supposed to be compensation that absolves god of all "un-benevolent" like behavior in letting evil befall a good soul, so why shouldn't a rapist get eternal bliss if all his victims are getting eternal bliss?
Because God's actions send them to eternal bliss. The rapists' action just makes them suffer. The rapist does not provide compensation, he only does good. God is the one who compensates
> Maybe he rapes you so you go to heaven
Tonight on "this never happened"

Does a scientist exist to the bacterium they’re studying in a Petri dish? They may love what they’re doing, but why would they have affection for pieces of their work?

>>509664662
> he only does good
I meant bad*

>>509656329 (OP)
What am i looking at? Is this similar to that one mentally ill bitch posting videos of herself showering with the wheelchair monstrosity

>>509656329 (OP)
women would fuck anything but white men

>>509666413
nigger

>>509667113
>>509666666

>>509656437
Faith increase mental health you know what happens to atheists.

>>509666413
he still gets more pussy than your incel ass

>>509656329 (OP)

>>509656329 (OP)
>>509656329 (OP)
yes and yes

>>509667982
homos talk their dick into thinking a mans asshole is a vagina

>>509656427
does a computer have a soul?

This is now a Victoria Justice thread

>>509663705
nah, i see gawd as some evil faggot that laughs at our misery