Thread 509712809

Pannonia = Ruthenia = land of the lords

"Pan" means lord/master in Polish, Czech, Croat

Pannonia is region in Europe now inhabited by the Hungarians (even the British use the geographic naming pannonia)

Nobody knows who lived in there 2000 to 1000 years ago, not even Romans who are supposed to keep record of these things for 4000 years

What is Ruthenia then?
1) Ruhtinas = Finnish for Lord
2) Ruthenian language is now dead language once spoken in small part of Russia, entire Belarus, and a small part of Ukraine
3) Rusyn = Ruthenians also
4) Rusyn is very small minority language today

Slavic word for lords = Knjyaz which is obviously of different origin

Rusk means brown in Finnish
Rust means oxidated iron/steel in British
these are related, check out the color of rust

>>509712809 (OP)
4chan mods are jewish faggets

>>509712809 (OP)
>"Pan" means lord/master in Polish, Czech, Croat
That's why Polaks kept calling me pan

Rusyns are pretty cool because they are one of the major lost ethnicities from the medieval to the modern period. They were collapsed into Red Russian and eventually under Polish under the great boot of nationalism. I find the statecraft of Poland a fascinating case where an already dominant ethnic group does it’s darnest to stamp out the tiniest groups it used to treat as tributes into full blown Polaks in order to meet some secular government quota, namely Boykos and Lemkos in the communist era to repatriate the new west territories.

>>509714134
Rusyn language ranged from Hungary to Poland, it was widely distributed but never in millions of speakers in amounts

>>509712809 (OP)
We know who lived in Pannonia. It was the Sigynnae Cimmerians who became the Istaevones then the Franks. Even the Franks remember they came from Pannonia.

You have zero idea how philology or even etymology works retard

>>509715197
No his basic message is correct.
He's trying to say the Rus were brown, that gypsies ruled over the Slavs.
Rus=dark is basically correct, the rest is dumb.

>>509712809 (OP)
'ruthenia' is a descendant of the same word as 'russia' is, ultimately from a norse word meaning 'rower'.

>>509715804
Eh, it could also come from the black soil of the Pontic Steppe.

>>509715699
>Rus=dark is basically correct
No there is nothing "basically correct", that sounds "basically correct" because its an extremely narrow view, etymology branches out way farther than you think with less tangible connections with similar parts having vastly different meanings between cultures, and even less tangible connections, when you layer culture seperations
>>509715804
Look here at all of the definitions of the word et in 50 languages across the world, dont be a fucking pseud
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/et

>>509715699
>Rus=dark is basically correct
No there is nothing "basically correct", that sounds "basically correct" because its an extremely narrow view, etymology branches out way farther than you think with less tangible connections with similar parts having vastly different meanings and cosmetically similar meanings between widely seperated cultures
>>509715804
Look here at all of the definitions of the word et in 50 languages across the world, dont be a pseud, philology is an actual science
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/et

We are all a bunch of Eurasians, deal with it.

>>509713252
it's also common courtesy word
like "sir" but more common and casual

>>509716659
The Nordic vs Slavic nature of Rus is disputed and Rus is only Rower in Nordic.

>>509716909

Rower vs Bower

>>509714841
cimmerians are ancestors of modern ukrainians, not germans

>>509716845
I figured as much. It was just weird not knowing what it means :D dzenkuje bardzo

>>509717165
Please research "Sigynnae" then stop being a retarded idiot.
The Cimmerians were effectively the same as Yamnaya which generated in Ukraine, so I'm sure many Ukrainians are Cimmerian, but in reality most of them are Slavic and the Scythians then Sarmatians then Khazarians held Ukraine. Then Rus.

>>509717271
>>509717165
One way to see it is, the Ancient Greeks were Cimmerian/Yamnaya, but the Macedonians and earlier "Thracian" kings of Greece were Scythian.

>>509717271
>Khazarians held Ukraine
May i see some archeology of this?

>>509717326
>"Thracian" kings of Greece
what a fucking retarded statement
Thracians had nothing to do with Greeks genetically or culturally, and anything close to Greeks in Thracians was borrowed

>>509717271
If Cimmerians are Yamna then so were Scythians and Sarmatians

>>509714413
>Hungary to Poland
More like from Hungary to Kazakhstan. Stans are places people forget easily but they were hit with russification hard, Kazakhstan being their top priority in the area

>>509717342
They supposedly buried their kings under the river which was very Sumerian. Why don't we check?

>>509717463
There were multiple waves of early Scythians into Thrace, most Macedonian stock was from them, and many of these kings bred into the royal families of early classical Greek.

You really are some retard who is educated from college textbooks alone, aren't you?

>>509717699
>Why don't we check?
They will check. To fake it. At best they were radhanites dwelling there. Not a 4 century old jewish empire

>>509717762
What the fuck are you even talking about? Macedonians as in the Greek speaking people who created the Macedonian Empire or the Thracian-like tribes that lived in modern North Macedonia and Southwest Bulgaria called Peoni?

Neither of them have anything to do with Scythians

>>509717617
No.
Corded Ware mated with Yamnaya at Shintashta to become the Aryans. Aryans today are the Ossetians.

Other Yamnaya more in the East mated with far North Corded Ware, and the Scythians were born of this.
The Sarmatians were also a Yamnaya-Corded Ware admixture, but in a different locale from the Scythians.

The Scythians, uniquely, adopted Tuvan shamanism.

In addition to the Scythian Saka, there were the Dahae. These were the Daxia or Ta-Hsia, the Tocharians.
These are Eastern European Hunters, Yamnaya are Iranic+EEH.
Dacians are probably Tocharians come to the West.
The Getae would be Scythian.

Slavs are EEH more purely. Getae are Corded Ware+EEH+Iranic. Germanics have Get, but are very Western Hunter and Euro Farmer.

Getae and Aryans are like cousins or brothers from the same parents, different peoples. And the Scythians and Sarmatians are as well.

>>509717957
Forgot pic

>>509712809 (OP)
So... Russians are actually brown?
Thanks, schizo Finn.

>>509717962
>Some ancient Greek authors, such as Strabo and Plutarch, write of Orpheus as having a Thracian origin (through his father, Oeagrus).

Thrace was a consistent source of parentage for divine heroes, and later Macedon drew on the same Scythian roots.
In contrast, Greeks were very very Yamnaya/Cimmerian.

The Dorics were Cimmerian, and the Aeolians actually came from Armenian-Colchis after the wars with Mannaean Kingdom. The Mannai are literally the Minyas. Jason and the Argonauts records the migration to Thessaly from Colchis.

There was a refuge found lately. Dmansis-Gora.

>>509717962
Classical Greek civilization begins with the defeat of Neo-Assyria, and the Aeolians came from the wars with the Minyas against Neo-Assyria.

Greek mercenaries were unaware of Ninevah as they passed it and were informed of it.

>>509717973
>Corded Ware mated with Yamnaya at Shintashta to become the Aryans.
Big R1a cock into tiny R1b pussy

>>509718193
Yeah R1a is Tocharian and R1b is Corded Ware.

Big bad brutes didn't breed more. The beautiful intelligent men did.
Note that Greeks are J, that's Yamnaya.

>>509718277
>>509718193
Slavs are the wolf-people. They're harder into the shaman shit.
Greeks record these myths of the wolf-people, the centaurs, etc.
These are the Dahae, Saka, Cimmerians etc.

>>509712809 (OP)
"Ruthenia" is literally just "Russia" in Latin, and we're taking it back eventually.

>>509718193
>>509718137
> Jason and the Argonauts records the migration to Thessaly from Colchis.

Colchis means "idiots" in Bulgarian

>>509718277
>Big bad brutes didn't breed more
Didn't Yamnaya replace 90% of western European haplos through fucking and killing?
>Note that Greeks are J, that's Yamnaya.
thought yamnaya was r1b

>>509718193
Also, Polish fairy phenotype is Corded Ware genetics with R1a Y-haplogroup.
R1a is much more brutal and psycho and wolf-like.
R1b are the people of the sun. They're more into Wicker Man and less into rending flesh and howling at the moon.

Poles are Slavs, but heavily Corded Ware bred.

>>509718406
It's Georgia.

>>509717271
>which generated in Ukraine
Yamnaya and all other Aryans ultimately come from the Samara bend in modern Russia. (We found the OG archeological remains.)
The only lived in what's Ukraine today because they went west across the plains and conquered it on their way to Europe. Many such cases.

>>509717633
>hit with russification hard, Kazakhstan being their top priority in the area
The other way around. Kazakhstan was Russian originally, Russians were outbred and displaced by Turkic nomads in Soviet times.

>>509718604
>Russians were outbred and displaced by Turkic nomads in Soviet times.
Many such cases.

>>509718530
Just like Ukrainians didn't live there when Yamnaya culture was alive, neither did Russians live there when the culture you mentioned lived there
Idk why you got butthurt as if Ukrainians own Yamnaya culture

>>509718439
Yamnaya took over the Bell Beaker genetically.
But Bell Beaker were taken over by Aryans then Scythians so that flooded out the Yamnaya.

>In 2023, Kristiansen et al. argued that the lack of Yamnaya-related haplogroups in Corded Ware populations indicates that they cannot have been direct male-line descendants of the Yamnaya, as the Corded Ware culture samples were primarily from haplogroup R1a.[7] These authors proposed that the Corded Ware culture evolved in parallel with (although under significant influence from) the Yamnaya, with direct male-line descent between them. However, Papac et al. (2023) revealed the presence of the most commonly sampled Corded Ware haplogroup in the Yamnaya,[6] and Lazaridis et al. (2024) showed the presence of the most commonly sampled Yamnaya haplogroup in the Corded Ware.[24]
>Metal complex of the Corded Ware culture (including the Novoselitsk group)[25]
Archaeologists Furholt and Heyd continue to emphasize the differences both between and within the material cultures of these two groups, as well as emphasizing the problems of oversimplifying these long-term social processes.

So, basically, J+R1a Yamnaya (iranic+EEH/Slavic) interbred back and forth with Corded Ware so much, that BOTH cultures are R1a but NEITHER is the progenitor of the other. True cousins.

This actually really emphasizes notions of white identity. Different white groups interbreed one way and then the other so much, as to be one family.

>>509718530
No, the Anatolian Iranic moved to the Dniepr and bred EEH wolf-people then these Yamnaya when this way and that, and after the rennaissance at Sintashta and invention of the horse, Yamnaya had a new renaissance of their own at Samara which created the Cimmerian tribes.

So you have Yamnaya invading the Bell Beakers. Then your Samara people later invade as Cimmerians.

>>509718664
Turks are Tocharian/Chinese half-breeds invading Manchuria and breeding with Mongoloids, then coming West because the Chinese had murdered the Xianbei.
The Xiongnu empire managed to extend all the way to the ocean, where most of these empires bordered at the Altai leaving Manchuria as a separate thing.

I prefer shimapannonia

>>509712809 (OP)
Retarded nonsense. Both Pannonia and Ruthenia have non-Slavic origin.

>>509718604
Nogay wasn't originally Russians, it was originally a golden hoard.

>>509718807
looks like you did your research so I'm gonna trust you on this one

what's the QRD on Thracian haplogroups such as ev-13 which is common in bulgarians, albos and greeks
doesn't seem to be indo-european

>>509719143
so, mongolians from Uulan Baatar

>>509719156
I don't know if Pelasgian is the right word, but in England and Belgium and Alpine Germany there was a "European Farmer" type whose closest exemplar is modern Sardinia. Lots of dark haired British who are "Celtic" look like this Sardinian type.

Well, there's a Greek/Macedonian version of this "people who were there before". I think that's what you're looking at.

There's also the Illyrians who are cousins of whatever the Latins are, who have something to do with Bell Beaker but I'm not sure.

I think either the Illyrians or your ev-13 have the badass myths that inspired Dracula about the lightning dragon that lives in an underground lake.

This is from Anatolia, by the way, since Lake Van is a critical center for many originations.

>>509718742
>neither did Russians live there when the culture you mentioned lived there
Obvioisly. Yamnaya were R1b and ancestors of modern West Europeans.

>as if Ukrainians own Yamnaya culture
Ukrainians owning the Yamnaya culture was official policy in the USSR. This retarded policy was inherited by Ukraine too.
They also try to own the Tripolian culture, who were proto-Georgians.

>>509718889
"Iranic" is a thing that came about a couple thousand years after the Yamnaya culture. You're deeply confused.

>>509719385
Finland and Serbia has remnants of some ancient European genotype from 5000 years ago which is extremely rare in countries other than these two and its not found in Russia, (altough people would instinctively say Serbs=Russians because both speak Slavic) but sadly I forgot what its scientific name was

>>509719143
Nogay weren't in what is modern Kazakhstan. They spread there later, displacing Russians.

>>509719599
We're all mutts, m8

>>509719711
Yamnaya were a 50/50 mix of Eastern European and Caucasian themselves.
Mutts isn't quite the correct word here, because this wasn't dysgenic miscegenation.
Just various types of white.
(That said, the Early European Farmer genotype was an extremely dysgenic one compared to white people before and after.)

>>509718476
Makes sense why I as a norwegian r1a with red beard, dark blond hair have mental problems. Feel like going berserk and eating flesh

>>509719529
No you're just dumb.
Iranic is the Indus Valley Civilization and early Anatolia.
You're thinking of the Iranians who, because of Median dominance, took the name of the Aryans.
The Lurs for example were Kassites, who were Indus Valley Civ. Iranics.

This is basic genetic science. You're an idiot. J haplogroup.

>>509719599
Someone named a tribe that has trace genetics all over Europe, one or two villages in Russia, a couple Native Americans, and then like 5% of Japan has this trace element specifically.
Not Jomon or Yayoi or anything else, a trace but widespread element that happens to be very present in Japan compared to anywhere else but is trace relative to Japan's main genetics.

>>509720060
It's really a thing. The werewolf legend comes from it and the Vanir mythology.

>>509719606
Russians migrated there, there is no Russian blood in Asia pre colonial Russia. Sorry your knowledge of history is poor.

>>509720130
>Iranic is the Indus Valley Civilization
You're just spewing bullshit now. Indus Valley were proto-Dravidians and have nothing at all to do with Iran.

>J haplogroup.
Haplogroups are paternal descent, not population genetics, dummy.

Rothschilds = Ruthschilds

>>509720687
Proto-Indo-Europeans lived there four thousand years before any Turkics made it into Central Asia.
Are Russians Proto-Indo-European?
No, but Russians certainly share a majority genetic heritage with PIE people.

The first cities and major population centers in Kazakhstan were Russian, not Turkic.
Turks are the colonizers here, sorry.

>>509713252
Yes, I bow before the smol-to-medium finnish cock, Panie!

>>509721292
Mine is above aveverage and its a problem sometimes. Having a big dick isn't all that great :D

>>509720766
You really suck at genetics knowledge.
IVC were not Dravidians. They were 80-90% iranic and 10% something similar to Laotian.

>>509720880
Your point is correct, but Turks are Eastern Slavs that bred with Chinese who then bred with Mongoloids then came back the other way round to the West.
They then mutted with Sarmatians, Uralics, Dravidians brought north by the Kushans.

>>509720880
Don't matter, slavs are eastern Europeans. That land never had slavs before you migrated there.

>>509721845
No.
Slavs came from Eastern Europe, were heavily involved in Central Asia and even China, then returned en masse under Sarmatian-Alanian hegemony to the West, abandoning the East.

Sogdiana. The Dahae. The Daxia. These are all Slavs.

>>509715699
Dude, their early rulers was vikings. You claim that vikings was brown? Their other rulers was also coming from Europe or have euro blood.

>>509717342
All khazarians lived in Ukraine territory. Look at Zekensky, in old soviets book there was image of so called khazarians. Ze looks like them.

>>509718353
Stupid, stop taking drugs and learn history.

Thanks god Putin will soon cut global internet in Russia.

>>509722389
These are your "Khazars".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite
Even the DNA checks out how they infiltrated Europe, by creating in "new" breeds of kikes

>>509721794
This.
>>509720880
They wasn't russians.

Russians was not allowed to move in Russian territory until later empire, like 1870 or so. Only rich people was allowed to move and they wouldn't move in asian steppe.

People who lived there was affiliated with rus empire, but they wasn't russians.

From history, first people who lived there was spme unknown white people, later Asians come and killed them, after that russian empire come and put cossaks (os someone else) to live there.

At this point Asians lived there.

>>509722611
Everyone knows that they was jews.

>>509722788
Open the article and learn about trade routes. Then you'll understand them a lot more.

>>509722309
No illiterate idiot. That was OP's point.

How does the second finnish hyperwar factor into this, i do wonder