Thread 509733308

https://defence-blog.com/revolutionary-armata-tank-missing-from-ukraine-war/

Nearly three and a half years into Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the country’s most advanced main battle tank, the T-14 Armata, has yet to make an appearance on the battlefield—even on a temporary basis.

>>509733308 (OP)
WHo cares? There are no more russian tanks in general.

it broke down once at a parade. never heard about it after that lol

>>509733542
>T-14
>modern

>>509733308 (OP)
It's a lose-lose situation: if they field the tank it will not provide a significant tactical advance and will quickly get destroyed, which will be bad for the image of the Russian army. Better to keep the dozen or so T-14s in storage to be used in military parades and such.

If they had 100s of T-14s and the tank really was very good then they would field it. But neither of those is true.

>>509733308 (OP)
The Cuckmata is vaporware, I wouldn't be surprised if these are empty hulls.

tanks are obsolete anyway
t-55 or abrams, it doesn't matter

>>509733308 (OP)
western wunderwaffen wasnt enough
they now hype up ruski raspil wunderwaffen
>>509733542
bruder it was canned for being overpriced pile of shit. дeньги pacпилили и пo дoмaм

They pretty much gave up on it cause they realised it was economically unsound. Better to build shitload of upgraded T-90s than boutique numbers of Armatas.

Russia dodged a bullet there, they where all set to produce a heavy tank like the west, but the war has shown them that would be retarded, light tanks are future of armour

>>509733768
they said the exact same about ak12. Then it appeared on the battlefield and got refined with M version. Thing is assault rifle are solved by now, unlike tanks. So it's ok to show it

Tanks are only effective against countries that have counter weapons.

>>509733308 (OP)
They tried to do an America with overexpensive pointlessly fancy weaponry.

War taught them that was a bad idea.

>>509733308 (OP)
yeah it would've been fucking retarded to start up mass production of a new tank which was designed before the war

>>509734163
>>509733768
>>509733542
Russia is a corrupt russian speaking shit hole just like ukraine
stop being so insecure

>>509734092
The future is tanks with advanced spaced armor.

>>509734092
when you're too retarded to lose

>>509734163
Assault rifle is a far smaller project than a main battle tank especially the one as complex as Armata. AK-12 isn’t as revolutionary.
It won’t enter service as there’s no real need for it, simple as.
This is good, as Russian military seems to have given up on being Western and spending shitload of money on silver bullets. Real-life experience in Ukraine taught them lessons they needed to learn.

>>509734163
what got changed on ak12?

>>509734163
>AK12
and its still pile of shit so far away detached from original AK-12 its quite literally just modernized AK-74

>>509734224
picrel

>>509734252
Not cost effective dipshit
They have been upgrading/rebuilding older models. All thier tanks have drone jamming tech to thats why ukraine just uses drones on civillian targets now

>>509733542
lets start with the gliding bombs and drones.

how about that.
rf started this war with no gliding bombs what so ever. a weapon nato has since the 80s
and with just a few lance drones.
it was ukrainians who started using drones first.

>>509733308 (OP)
The Ukraines now have HIMARS , the tank would last 5 minutes before it got kebabed

>>509734374
everything

>>509734374
small practical things iirc. like safety lever not popping out if it's being slammed too hard

>>509733542
>so we can study it in advance
what did you mean by this, anon?
in advance of what?
we're not going to war, perhaps you were unaware, but around these parts nothin' ever happens.

>>509733308 (OP)
overhyped wunderwaffen
at least russia is not stupid enough to think these things will actually bring any significant advantage unlike westoids

>>509734600
You guys are upgrading.

>>509733542
Nigga it's been more than 3 years of 3 days to Kyeff and your soldiers are driving this ork shit.

>>509733542
importance of tanks has been declining for years and now with 200€ drones they are obsolete there is nothing to study

>>509733977
>Better to build shitload of upgraded T-90s
That's still very economically unsound.

>>509734753
Ukraine is losing to THIS?????

>>509733542
https://youtu.be/ZGOAnjow8KI?si=pF3Ik7BsiV261h1G

>>509734753
Even the ww2 German army can win this shit

>>509734753
Kino, at least this chariot of death was built out of literal shit and sticks found on the ground with little to no investments in terms of money.
Can't say the same about armata

>>509734849
Yea they lost a few empty villages over two years while Russia is losing thousands of people. Not really sure you should brag about that.

>>509734889
this is such low iq slop it's insane

>>509734963
nice cope lmao

>>509733977
Aside from whatever design flaws we don't even know about yet, the key flaw of the Armata, and the whole Russian modernization program it's a part of, is that they rely on technology Russia can't produce domestically and needs to import from the west. At the best of times it's a supply chain bottleneck but obviously sanctions inevitably cut off their access entirely. Without the chips to power those high tegh computer systems controlling the remote turret, it's just an empty hull.

>>509733308 (OP)
>"Send your future-tank to battle so we will study and adjust the designs of our own future-tanks for WWIII."
This is the last modern war of this era before the future finally comes. Any future tank getting into battle right now would just be singled out, abducted, and the wreckage paraded for the next year.

>>509733542
How stupid of people to expect a battle tank to be participating in a war?
What's next new airplanes flying in the sky?

>>509735064
>cant get da technology anymoor
lol. this is too retarded. all that stuff was sanctioned before so there is zero difference.

>>509733308 (OP)
Well because it doesn't fucking work

>>509735266
>What's next
this

>>509735064
Just fuck off you stupid leaf.
Obviously they can produce everything they need because they won the war

>>509734553
Russia bought the plans for drones from israel in 2014.
You suck cock and lie

>>509734753
Cheburover for Ukrainians

>>509735031
hes right

>>509734753
>R&D cost: zero
>Running cost: almost zero
>Swag: check

And it's carbon neutral or whatever because it's all recycled.

>>509733542
Your right. Side note: We have been studying your army for 3 years. Every single thing, comms, movements, material...you are thoroughly compromised.

>>509736139
>you are thoroughly compromised.

>>509733308 (OP)
It's already obsolete in the age of drones. All those overengineered and overpriced boxes are useless. I dunno what you are trying with this gotcha attempt. When it's the same with every western box supplied to Ukraine. And both sides switching to literal bikes and quads. Because turns out they really are better against drones...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=huMs6kZOaVs

>>509734522
>All thier tanks have drone jamming tech to thats why ukraine just uses drones on civillian targets now
This is a nice cope for the "there are no more tanks to target"-situation. You might add invisibility blanket camo to the story to make it even more "too techno-advanced to be seen".

>>509733308 (OP)
op

>>509733761
Tell that to the Palestinians.

>>509733542
no need to Armata is SHIT and you know how i know it is shit?

It was made before the drone wars.
And because it is not prepared for it i bet one drone from aliexpress can fuck it up the same as the T72 and T90

>>509733510
>>509733308 (OP)
Russians produce 300+ T-90Ms a year, all new hulls, and production is only going to increase.
https://www.lefigaro.fr/international/guerre-en-ukraine-mais-ou-sont-donc-passes-les-chars-russes-20250629
Germany and the US produce... (drumroll, please) zero. No, refurbishing extant hulls does not count as a new tank.

>>509733308 (OP)
Tanks are overrated