>>509765942 (OP)
RETURN INTO OCEAN

>>509765942 (OP)
He's a retarded parasite

>>509765942 (OP)
i like it when he shits on christcucks religion and shills for ancient Greece

>>509765942 (OP)

>>509765942 (OP)

>Why everything good is actually bad.

The rallying cry of all midwits.

>>509766180
stfu jew cunt. all the nature worshiping virgin farmers were raped and gaped by the sky daddy worshipper steppe chads

>>509766180
>why everything good for kikes is bad for goyim

>>509765942 (OP)
>>509766010
>>509766083
>>509766110
>>509766180

The Agricultural Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>509765942 (OP)
The fossil record shows that before agriculture live was extraordinarily violent. Civilization without farming would have been far, far more gruesome. In fact grain domestication allowed for urban civilization, despite all the issues...

>>509765942 (OP)
>Peterstein
>based
Pick one

>>509766493
literally this. we went from big dick chads to domesticated goy cattle

>>509766468

Then they got horses, built castles, built war machines, and now no one gives a fuck about Mongolia.

>>509766976
Im not talking about mongolia you retarded jew

>>509765942 (OP)
WELCOME TO THE RICE FIELDS, MOTHERFUCKER!

>>509765942 (OP)
I was an early adopter of both Jordan Peterson's and Prof Jiang's lectures.
Jordan Peterson WISHES he was half as good as Professor Jiang.
Jordan Peterson = Academic
Prof Jiang = Scholar

Someone contact Joe Rogan to invite this guy on as guest.

>>509767694

Hunter-gatherers aren't farmers.

>>509765942 (OP)
>the dream of chinese people is to study abroad
no wonder, if this is what school in china is like

>usa will collapse in 2 weeks bro
>putin is a genius
>trump will occupy iran

>>509765942 (OP)
There’s no chance this guy doesn’t post here

>>509765942 (OP)
>return to hunter gatherer
He's right

>>509765942 (OP)
Ted Kachinksi

>>509766493
I enjoy shitting indoors, actually.

>>509765942 (OP)
He teaches in China

>>509766180
>everything jewish is bad
Yeah

>>509770244
Got a nice street to shit on inside your house do you ranjeet.

Buy an ad already you fucking pseud

>>509765942 (OP)
I love bread. Fuck you in your fucking face. I will go to war for this!

Based.

>>509765942 (OP)
Oh no how terrible. I'm literally crying while eating my fresh bread in my acclimatized room thinking about how great it would be to starve to death in winter or get murdered by the neighboring tribe.

>>509766180
>be me
>see jew flag
>see opinion I agree with
>see jew flag
>adopt opposing view
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT
FUCK WHEAT

>>509765942 (OP)
Chinkoid is only mad because his ancestors ate only grain and got smoked by Mongolians who ate meat and dairy.

>>509770244
But when population density is 1/1000th of what it is today, you can take a poop in nature and wash your ass in the stream and everything is ok.

>>509770659

Life is a blessing. You should never kill yourself.

>>509770842
>But when population density is 1/1000th of what it is today
yeah but it isn't

>>509771093
What's your point? World population only increased dramatically after agriculture. If mankand had remained nomadic we might only be 10-50 million people living on Earth.

>>509771504
>What's your point?
My point is that I enjoy indoor shitting and bread.

>>509770705
Did you read Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World?

>He's a ketotard just like me!

>>509766976
>>509768137
are you retarded?
genuinely asking

>>509766592
>I already told you it was a disaster you don't need to convince me

>>509772262

More advanced civilizations absorb less advanced civilizations. Steppe herders are more advanced than hunter-gatherers, but farming societies like Sumer and Egypt mogged them until they collapsed of their own weight, following which they were displaced by barbarians on the borderland.

So, it's settled civilization > steppe warlords > civilization in decline > hunter-gatherers.

>>509771704
>I enjoy indoor shitting and bread
Mentally eel slave

>>509765942 (OP)
If you think farming was bad wait until you hear about how language subverted our DNA as our primary method for storing information long term and we've been degenerating ever since to the point we're completely retarded compared to our ancestors that first envisioned and created language capable of communicating complex information and preserving it generation to generation. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

>>509765942 (OP)
he's not a professor
the "classroom" is fake, he's just standing in front of a camera
that's why you never actually hear or see any of the "students" he pretends to take questions from

>>509770598
Yeah, over time it's the individuals most reliant on technologies, complex social structures, and least tolerant of hardships that will continue to exist

>>509773067
You're actually agreeing with the professor. He's actually talking about it now in the lecture I'm watching Civilization #31 about people on birderlands conquering empires.

>>509766083
no you jew

>>509765942 (OP)
He literally just stole the 'farming made life worse' idea from Yuval Noah Harari (who is a Jew, but still)
Chinese can't come up with anything original. They don't innovate, but replicate.

>>509766493
Go farmboy go

>>509773475
There's literally a meet the students video, and I've heard enough of their voices in questions to recognize them now.
Echo, Doug, etc.
What's interesting is that the students are not only allowed to use their phones/computers in class, they're also allowed to surf the net during class. Doug fact-checked something (not against just to ask for clarity) with the prof in Civilization #30 about Dante.
This is insane. Truly a classroom of the future.

>>509774097
>stole from Yuval Noah Harari

Im pretty sure Rousseau was saying that shit 300 years ago

>>509773475
I've heard them a few times actually. I prefer other lecture series, but this dude is alright.

>>509774097
Pot calling kettle black though, it's not like Jewish people came up with anything original either. No great jewish work of art, and the stories of the bible were plagiarized from neighbouring cultures too.
True originality is pretty rare in history.
>Einstein
Worked at a patent office remember.

>>509773881

They rushed in when their enemies were weak. Everyone does that, not just steppe nomads. Settled civilizations conquered more often and more holistically than steppe nomads ever could. More steppe nomads were assimilated into settled civilizations than the other way around.

China is applying a strategy similar to what they applied to steppe nomads to tame the US.

https://www.hoover.org/research/cycles-or-stages-chinese-history

I watched some of his videos and he is good. Definitely worth watching. He is way too confident with a lot of his statements but what can you do? Also he is not actually based.

>>509774617
I know, you're just repeating what he said in Civ #31. It's one of the mainstream cycles of civilization.
Empires are destined to fall, etc.
People in the borderlands tend to be stronger because they operate in harsher anarchic conditions, eventually when empires are weak they invade and form the new empire, rinse repeat.
I haven't finished it yet he's leading up to his own theory.

>>509775012

They're not stronger. It's a man-bites-dog situation. When steppe nomads do take over civilizations, it's a lot more memorable than large civilizations gradually assimilating their neighbors.

The Mongol conquest of China is memorable. Who fucking cares about the Chinese conquest of Mongolia? Both happened, but one is a lot more salient.

>>509765942 (OP)
I just started listening and his very first lecture is flat out retarded, he says hunter gatherer is better and easier than farming
just search all day for food that can only sustain 10 people instead of having your own local supply that can sustain 100 people

makes everything else he claims questionable

>>509775332
No, they're stronger too. Physically and mentally. I'm talking about the individuals. They're hardier from roughing it in the wilderness, more physically fit because of their physical lifestyles, and better at combat because they're nearly constantly fighting/training (the empire uses them as mercenaries to maintain their borders).
Think of chechens and compare them to city-dwelling muscovites. Think of the taliban and the Afghani government prior to its fall. Think of the modern Ukrainian soldier and someone in germany.

The former are all borderland dwellers and they're all stronger and fitter than city slickers without fail, because that's what their living environment demands of them.

>>509770244
The way you write you seem to enjoy posting on reddit too, actually.

>>509765942 (OP)
>Peterchong
Are you fucking with me?

Whats wheat farming?

>>509766592
>Pizzafaggot defends wheat
who woulda thoughta

>>509776409

Comparing fighters to civilians is meaningless. The American military easily mogs any military from the borderlands. War isn't a wrestling match.

This song is the closest you can come to defining the ingredients of a strong civilization.

https://youtu.be/_Q0n_r-UHNA

>>509765942 (OP)
I like listening to him. He has alternative takes on a lot of history. Today i heard him say that jesus was a gnostic and a lot like the greek cynics, and paul was the guy to invent christianity. Paul supposedly was a roman spy.

>>509766592
This is completely wrong. People ate more nutritious food before the agricultural revolution and were a lot taller as a result.
The best explanation for why people chose to become agricultural is a religious one.
Religion underlies everything.

>>509765942 (OP)
Are we supposed to hunt prey and eat from trees to survive? Fuck off.

>>509765942 (OP)
i already made this point years ago and i dont even have a PhD. its why they call people cattle. its because they literally fed people grass/grain to keep them working.

civilization was a mistake.

>>509777501
>Are we supposed to hunt prey and eat from trees to survive? F
Victory has defeated you

>>509765942 (OP)
When people first started agriculture and became sedentary there was no overlord forcing them to do so as far as I know.
So that lifestyle obviously must have had advantages over the hunter gatherer one for people to rapidly adapt it.
People probably romanticize the lives of hunter gatherers too much.

>>509770842
city-states were peak

>>509766180
The entire conservative movement explained

>>509777858
>there was no overlord forcing them to do so as far as I know.
People would rather farm that compete with other tribes

>>509765942 (OP)
dysgenic looking fella, saying this?

you had shamans(animism) and druids before agriculture, religion is older than agriculture

>>509777107
If what you say is true, empires would never collapse. But we know that all empires collapse.
Regardless I've made my (accepted by most people) point that borderland-dwellers are physically and mentally stronger than the average empire dweller.

>American military easily mogs any military from the borderlands.
Only because of technology, intelligence, and logistics. But at the end of the day it's not a conflict between these things and the borderland dwellers, it's a conflict between empires vs time, and borderland tribes vs time. There is ample evidence that borderland dwellers withstand the test of time better than empires.

Another example we're going to see is whether the Kim dynasty of North Korea (essentially borderland dwellers in between the empires of China and South Korea) or the Chaebols of South Korea better withstand the test of time.

>>509778742
he now inverts cause and effect
dividing land, more people than you can remember, surplus storage and management and trade that requires administration
out of primitive glyphs emerge complex script and basic math to handle that

we couldn't "have " literature because of the leisure time, the scale necessitate higher sophistication and complexity in what had been primitive or proto alphabets

>>509765942 (OP)
>less than 3 minutes of video
>"being a hunter-gatherer is easier than being a farmer because there's food everywhere, while being a farmer is harder because you have to grow the food"
>"a hunter works 1 hour per day, while a farmer works 6 hours"
>citation of israeli author
>"overpopulation"
mauthusian propaganda. he's justifieng reasons for the tecno-synagogue to attack us, while pretending to be some expert. he talks a bunch of horse shit.

>>509779621
justifying*
techno-synagogue*

>>509779164
wheat did not domesticate humans, you could argue for a symbiosis
with the hunter gatherers he sees a survivors bias distorting the data and hunters died outside of their dwellings polluting the data with one sided incomplete information

>>509777410

>only x amount of game animals and plant gathering areas
>have to brutally murder other tribes for access to these

You really don't understand how much space it takes to feed one hunter gatherer. It's even worse in arid areas.

>>509779899
what I mean is that the hunters that survived were taller but what is the percentage of those that survived
it is a known unknown

humans like being with more humans another benefit of agriculture

>Grain agriculture thread

I disagree with the entire methodology and underlying data.
Farmers had better dwellings as in less exposure to the elements, more specialization. Wheat is one of the poorer crops domesticated
it required more complex processing chains and labor specialization to really have it work.

The ones in south america had much easier and better transitions I speculate with beans, corn and potatoes. Then later you add animal husbandry to the equation which you can feed.
I would propose that most agri culture cropped up in good hunting grounds so the initial phase would be to double dip into both and reluctant to leave the percentage of agriculture would grow.

>>509765942 (OP)
>Wheat domesticated us
>Our socks wear us
>Our hair brushes the comb
>YouTube watches us

>>509781308
its pseudo intellectualism by yuaval harari it seems clever by adding seeming a
different angle to a commonly known or familiar topic but in the end not really. It is not making it more clear, not adding information or fostering understanding.

jordan peterson could have invented this phrase. The party with agency decides who has domesticated whom
selective breeding by humans shaped wheat to our demands and needs not the other way around (even if agriculture shaped civilzation)

You saw through the sophistry and called it out much better than I did.

>>509781308
It's true on a macro scale.
Just think about how much the modern internet dictates our lives.
I don't know of you've ever experienced a prolonged power outage or internet outage, but you get anxious and you don't know what to do after the first few days.
Turn on your radio, light some candles, have a bath. Eventually you'll have to go out and talk to strangers, a prospect you might find uncomfortable to do at lengths. But essentially your entire existence changes.
So it's not outlandish to say that the internet domesticated us, it's thoroughly true. Same with agriculture.

>>509782487
its sophistry, you seeming add a new angle but you introduce no information
the internet changed humanity, agriculture shaped humanity
they were not the agents of the change maybe LLMs with the flattery might justify that word choice as it is a simulacrum of agency

>>509765942 (OP)
Depends has the chink denounced the CCP yet?

>>509766180
Modern kike world isn't worth shit.

>>509765942 (OP)
He's not even Canadian. Convict him of a federal crime.

>>509782931
You should watch his lectures to the end, because sophistry is the last thing you can accuse this guy of.
The first part of his lecture is usually laying the groundwork of popular thought, then he comes in with his own theory that is borderline controversial.

I don't know, I think people just don't want to hear the truth this guy preaches because he's not the ethnic group they want to hear it from.

>>509766493
Agreed. We had longer lives and healthier bones and teeth as hunter gatherers. We have to go back

>>509782931
Also, adding a new angle is the first step in creating a new theory and paradigm.

And also, feedback exists. Like internet may not have been the agent of change, but once it was sufficiently established it fed back into society and itself became an agent of change.

You are getting lost in the pilpuls, you can't see the forest for the trees. If you step back and look at the big picture of how the world has changed since the development of the internet, it's not even a debate that the internet has drastically changed society.

>>509783205
it is sophistry to say "domesticated" instead of "shaped", wheat has no agency, its sophistry because the source he draws this lecture from is a sophist heeb
watched his islamic golden age lecture not a fan either as he makes it about philosophy

the biggest differences between islam and christiany at the time are two fold starting in "resource scarcity" which prompts migration and conquest periods into resource rich regions
germans from the forest, scandis out of the fjords, arabs out of the desert, mongol out of the plains

second its polygamy versus matrimony, polygamy makes civilizations expansionist, warlike and instable due to excess males, it too creates low IQ via inbreeding due to group adaptive behavior of wife trading often cousin marriages

islam devoured the corpse of the byzantine empire and once that glimmer of light was spend it fell behind
the difference between arab islam and christian europe not the one between plato and aristotle it is not that shallow

>>509766180
kys jew dog

>>509783582
domesticated is just a loaded word that implies agency, its a gimmick that creates navel gazing if you do not step past it
humans domesticated grain and it changed humanity, an equivalency does not exist the other way around thus it removes the appropriate hierarchy in the relation if you use "domesticated" instead of simple and appropriate "changed"

>>509783205
Can't find his videos or even any evidence that this guy exists.

>>509784290
skill issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM4PbPKuW-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OdO8LoKuo8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2LMJerHcKM

Lmao i got the refernece

>>509765942 (OP)
Zoomer politics is all online videos

Farming needs security. You can't complete a year long crop with the risk of brigands robbing you, burning your house down and raping your family while you're out in the fields. Farming is the mark of a safe society being formed.

my theory of how hunter gatherer societies could have transitioned into full agriculture seamless in regions where you go abundant vegetation and water which draws herds

>>509765942 (OP)
>terrible deal
so terrible that he wants to continue reaping all its benefits (including the indirect ones like science and technology etc) instead of moving to sentinel island
hypocrite

>>509765942 (OP)
>Iran guy is one of those "civilization was a mistake" people
topkek

I'm not watching the video so I don't know if he's talking about "modern society bad hurr durr" but as far as agriculture ten thousand years ago vs other "ecological adaptive models" (EAMs, I'll call them) which are basically how humans adapted to their surrounding environment in nature, yeah agriculture was actually the shittiest for quality of life. The main EAMs are:
Pastoralism (which is either nomadic or cyclic, or occasionally settled, but that's more a modern system)
Fishing
Hunting-Gathering
Agriculture

Most people list Fishing (or marine mammal hunting) under Hunting-Gathering but personally I think it should be considered separately, for reasons I don't care to go into here. Anyways, four EAMs. Note that other than nomadic pastoralism, pretty much all EAMs practiced horticulture I.E. they would grow small gardens of herbs, fruits, vegetables, etc., just not large quantities of staple grains.

>Pastoralism
Roam the steppe or beautiful mountains with your herds. Eat lots of meat and dairy. Enjoy solitude and fresh air. Pillage agricultural societies when you feel like it.
>Fishing
Sail the waters with your bros. Eat lots of fresh seafood. Enjoy the beauty of the ocean and fresh air. Raid agricultural societies when you feel like it.
>Hunting-Gathering
Roam the woods hunting game. Enjoy lots of meat and berries. Enjoy the beauty of the forest/savannah/etc.
>Agriculture
Slave all day long under the whip of the nearest city-state. Get ringworm and other parasites from working in rice paddies. Grow up malnourished and with dental problems due to eating shitty grain. Barely get any meat. Get pillaged and raided by the pastoralist and fisher chads. Get conscripted by the cities to fight them.

One of these options FUCKING SUCKS and has through most of human history, you can't compare ancient pastoralism to MODERN agriculture, it's completely different.

>>509785063
the warriors eat beef the slaves eat grass powder

>>509765942 (OP)
>Is this bug person a Canadian?
A roach that lives in your walls is not a human.
Buy an ad chink.

>>509785063
Plot twist: It was the brigands that organized first and enslaved people to work on farms. There's no benefit whatsoever to farming for atomized tribal people with vast territories, they would have been forced under threat of violence to do this for someone else.

>>509765942 (OP)
Farming and civilization being bad/dysgenic/entropic is a theory that's been around for decades. It's not like he's saying anything new or novel.

>>509769989
motherfucker

>>509766493
unfathomably based

>>509786029
Pretty much this. The population of a community of gunter gatherers is essentially capped by the available food sources - after a certain point adding additional hunters and gatherers leads to diminishing returns. Naturally inquiring members of the community would start experimenting with ways to increase the available food sources which is essentially the definition of agriculture.

>>509766110
Probably loves rice and bat soup too

>>509785063
That's what taxes are for.

>>509766083
genuinely learned more about politics in a few hours of watching him than from years on /pol/

>>509766180
The Archons speak through the jews. Kikes are their avatars on Earth.

>>509765942 (OP)
i saw this guy on destiny's stream. it looks like he'll become the next jordan peterson

>>509783704
>it is sophistry to say "domesticated"
>>509783885
>domesticated is just a loaded word that implies agency
Wrong.
Domesticated is purposefully chosen because the idea of the theory is that wheat didn't just shape us, it shaped us in a way that ensured its own survival.
The fact you're calling this idea sophistry is revealing your own sophistry, your criticism is entirely sophist in its deliberate misunderstanding of the theory.
Every living thing has agency, even plants as we are increasingly learning. Plants communicate with others of its own species through rhizomes to warn each other of pests.
I see why you're so eager to label others as sophists now, you're a sophist.

>>509777410
more nutritious? perhaps, but never enough to justify continuing that way, quantity over quality when the stomach tricks the brain into thinking its getting enough to eat cause it feels full

>>509774617
Off course a jew is shilling domestication. Farmer empires were more unstable and colapsed more often than nomad areas or swiddling agriculture areas. Retarded king disease ,bad crops etc happened often. Too often life was better outside of the state than in it.
Only a race of tax collectors would consider monoculture farmer state of inbred pesants enslaved by the state progress.
Most poeple 200 years ago lived outside or with verry weak state rule. In fact many areas were still like this before jewish 20th century.

>>509791575
Its all propaganda. Most farmers were literaly slaves.
No one would dump swindling agriculture for 10x more laborius monoculture that makes you an easy slave to some despot.
States used to literaly enslave poeple and would bring them close to the city so they have more workers they can leech off
No one just moved from the hills and wanted to slave away for some inbred lord and eat only rice.

He's really not that smart. He is not based. Mid-wit chink at best.