>Complying with the law is a "loophole"

>>509772918 (OP)
Well technically yeah loopholes allow you to violate the spirit of the law while complying with the letter of the law.
People do tend to misuse the term though.

>>509773117
>spirit of the law
The law only states mechanical limits on the function of the airgun. It doesn't state "This law is intended to make you completely disarmed and if you try to comply with the law we'll just ban that too".

>>509773213
IDK the law but I expect that basically was the intention of whoever passed it.

>>509772918 (OP)
Buy an ad faggot.

>>509773429
The law says the airgun has to be under 7.5 joules (which is fucking nothing).
Blowguns (and their darts) are legal in Germany.
Even at 7.5 joules, the blowgun darts still go through vests because it's like one square mm of surface area on the front of a hardened steel wire.

>>509773545
I'm not selling anything. I'm mocking the German government. You don't need to buy an advert to do that.

Why do you expect lawful behavior from people that carry out genocide and child rape? Sometimes the government is simply corrupt and wrong, and sometimes it is righteous to fight a war against your government.

>>509773641
This situation is just proof that there's no amount of bending over to their laws that will ever make them not hate you. They want you to die and not even an underpowered toy version of what this device could actually be is allowed.

>>509772918 (OP)
I want an actual "send your ass to uranus" railgun so bad bros.

Also Im lazy and I suck. Whats the fastest proyectile we have shot with rails?

>>509773594
>I'm not selling anything. I'm mocking the German government. You don't need to buy an advert to do that.

Ignore this faggot. I posted a link to a vid on the youtube channel of a local news station and this same fucktard told me to buy an ad.

>>509773820
US naval rail guns are so fast they ignite the air from friction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2QqOvFMG_A

>>509773852
The shills really don't like these threads. Their scripts are repetitive and uninspired, though. Nothing but victim-blaming and bootlicking.

>>509774240
We have recurring threads about a billion subjects, but this is the one that bothers you because it's about self defense and being treated fairly by the government.

>>509773904
Holy fucking shit, that fucks.
Shame we changed that for amazon delivered humilliation bombs. I want to see a poor soul get sublimated, not being tortured by a bzzzzzzt at old man speed.

>>509775016
They go so fast you don't even need a payload. It explodes through sheer kinetic force.

>>509774240
>look somebody made the same thread a couple times and used the same picture, a fucking conspiracy!!!
you boomers are hysterical

>>509775261
The shills use the tactic of trying to claim I'm a shill so that you don't suspect them of being shills.

>>509775250
I kind of expected that. Also an explosion will be even slower. This thing against a tank will probably make it rain molten metal on the inside faster than sound. I want a simulation like the implosion of the cuckmarine of oceangate.

>>509775669
Imagine the overpen against buildings.

>>509772918 (OP)
So it shoots blow gun darts?

>>509776119
Yes, with a CO2 cartridge. The muzzle energy is less than 7.5 Joules (~5.5 foot-lbs) to meet German law and they rushed to ban it in no time flat when everything else takes forever to pass.

>>509772918 (OP)
I can't believe that German BND kike kept saying that last thread. Then he hopped on a Spanish VPN.

>>509772918 (OP)
I don't get how shortening the projectile improves the situation though...
They seem to not understand that energy is conserved. All you have to do is keep the mass of the projectile relatively constant.
So you shorten it and turn it into a sharpened broadhead dart instead of a needle. A flechette. Any steel edge can be sharpened to razor hair whittling sharpness.

>>509777643
Politicians are RETARDED, that's why. I wonder if he could 3d print a sabot for the shorter dart?

>>509776434
How many sks?

>>509777754
No, politicians might be retards, but their handlers are not.
The law is not supposed to make sense or be logical. The law is supposed to give justification for the state to treat you as a criminal. Once you are a criminal, any rights or sympathies you might have had before are gone.
This is like 1984 101-level stuff, I don't get how so many people dismiss bad legislation as some kind of a mistake.
They don't care if you have weapons, they only want you to be scared of imprisonment for having them.

>>509772918 (OP)
i can see his dickless onions smug behind that dick-extension

>>509779757
>Dick extension
It's a fucking airgun

>>509773904
Retard

>>509777643
>7.5 joules max
>make it a broad head
You don’t know what you are talking about

>>509779757
Sorry you aren't allowed to defend yourself
>>509780430
>sees projectile "weapon"
>immediately thinks of dicks

>>509780430
Hahahahahahahah
Meanwhile, in the U.S.....

>>509781527
>Imagine hating dicks so much you want them all confiscated and destroyed

OP TOOK LOANS FROM JEW BANKS TO MANUFACTURE 10,000 OF THESE TOYS AND NOW HE IS STUCK WITH THE INVENTORY BECAUSE HE CAN'T SELL THEM IN GERMANY.
YOU BETTER SELL THAT SHIT AND PAY OFF THE JEWS OR THEY GOING TO PUT YOU IN A WHEEL CHAIR!
AAAAAHAHHAHHHAAAAHAAA

>leaf doesn't know the definition of "legal loophole"

>>509772918 (OP)
>zero knockdown force

>>509772918 (OP)
turns out it's all made up as they go.

>>509781938
Have a steel wire jabbed 3-4" into you is going to suck.
Especially if they are coated in damn near pure capsaicin.

>>509777643
Dude politicians are retarded. They once banned pump-action shotguns here because of some murders, because the rick-rack makes it shoot harder.
You now whats still legal? Semi-automatic shotguns with detachable or internal magazines.

>>509782491
lmao. American politicians banned the street sweeper because of its scary name, and it was in movies. It's actually a really shitty shotgun that jams.

>>509773820
I've been tinkering with a /diy/ railgun in my basement based on designs I first saw on YouTube. It's quite inferior to explosive type guns but still neet to fool around with. Right now I'm using slugs but would like to get to the point where it can shoot something needle shaped. I tried a couple of times with crud needles I made but it was wildly unstable.

>>509782727
Ever made a vortex cannon?

>>509782863
No, but there was one in a science museum that was mounted on the railing of a walkway above the main floor that you could use to annoy people below. Someone working at that museum understood what children like doing.

>>509773117
What about the 2nd Amendment itself? All regulations against it "infringe" and are therefore against the Constitution both in spirit and in the letter of the law.

>>509772918 (OP)
WTF am I looking at? What is the problem you faggots have with it?

>>509783092
This might as well be a train map

>>509775261
They think that showing us pics like that “convinces us to view OP negatively”, you have to understand that they are reading off a script at a desk.

>>509783454
It's a CO2 revolver that shoots blowgun darts.
It goes through police vests so the German government banned it.

>>509783927
Notice how every single thread is different, too. I didn't just lazily copy-paste the same thing over and over again like every fucking shill you see on this website.

>>509784383
Good, but thank God they still let shitskins carry battery acid around.........

>>509774240
This is at least the SIXTH shill thread for a toy CO2 gun. Please buy today!
>>509702490
>>509652581
>>509619245
>>509572760
>>509546781

>>509784383
Is it legal to keep in your car in canada like a recurve bow? It would have to shoot under 500 feet per second I think and then it'd be ok, but I'd have to double check. Get your pal btw if you're a noguns nerd because you might not have forever to do it.

>>509784879
Sorry German BND nigger. Your country is a joke. People should buy his airgun.

>>509785597
Damn for only $160 its actually kind of awesome. Pretty sure a normal pellet gun goes for about the same but this one can penetrate armor. Would be really fun just to shoot wood with unless I bend all the needles pulling them out.
https://gogun.co/products/sixneedler
It disappears if I hit the canada option though so maybe its not allowed in Kanadastan

>>509772918 (OP)
LET ME SHOW YOU IT'S FEATURES!
*offbeat jovial laugher paired with ballistic overkill*

>>509786285
>cuts to clip of him mag dumping a 10 round repeating crossbow

>>509785593
I have my RPAL and have gotten many others to get theirs.

>>509786271
It's still up in the air if it'll come to Canada or not.
I really want one.
You could hypothetically store it loaded but with the cartridge not punctured so it doesn't lose any pressure. When needed you just give it the final twist and pew pew pew.

>>509773820
there are hard limits
chemical guns that use some hydrogen bullshit top out at 10-13km/s I think

railguns right now are doing 7km/s? But probably hit their limits at 10-30km/s

>>509777643
IT makes it less effective at penetrating...because it with either be lighter or thicker. Unless they make the darts out of tungsten. ($$$)

>>509772918 (OP)
Looks like Deckards blaster in Blade Runner

>>509772918 (OP)
Buy an ad you fag
And faggy jannies wake the fuck up!
It's bad enough we got other shit spammed on the board. We don't need to add this one to the mix.

>>509783092
>"All regulations against guns infringe the second amendment"
>Look inside
>"A well regulated militia"

>>509788547
Who does it say has the right, the militia or the people?

>>509788547
Well regulated means highly organized and trained, not that the militia is disarmed. Retard.

That thing is barely, just technically lethal unless you're using fent darts and I'm pretty sure that's already illegal.
This is more like a toy safety thing than weapons control, you'd be better off chucking a lawn dart.

>>509789033
>[...] the right of the PEOPLE [...] shall not be infringed
It doesn't say you have to be in a militia to own a gun. It says you need to have the right to own a gun so if you need to join a militia you have your own gun.

>>509788547
BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE

***THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE*** TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

YOU FUCKING STUPID NIGGER
>>509783092
LEARN
>>509783092
TO
>>509783092
READ

>>509789142
Retarded word salad.
>a militia is an army of fighting aged males
>well regulated means they are well armed and organized
Bottom text

>>509790517
It doesn't say "the right of the MILITIA to keep and bear arms", Anon.
I know your laws better than you do. You're pathetic.

>>509789088
>shoot intruder in the face with multiple metal darts from a safer distance than being with intruder's reach
>"IT'S A TOY"

anyone going around trying to deprive people of weapons for self defense should have any weapon(s) they have for such a purpose taken away and have a criminally chargeable ban against them purchasing any new ones.

now let's see how you do with a spoon in a knife fight, retard

>>509772918 (OP)
i saw the video, it looks pretty shit and it's super cumbersome

>>509791877
i really do think it lacks any stopping power toward an intruder with even minimal motivation

>>509773117
Now the letter of the law says not to shoot corrupt politicians, but the SPIRIT of the law...

>>509791877
Yeah a lawn dart in the face is going to fucking sting too. Pain compliance is a sketchy prospect.

>>509792308
If it turns into a melee after you pepper him with darts, he'll be at a severe disadvantage (fuck him for breaking into your house).

>>509792308
be better off with a baseball bat. probably has a similar range and would do way more dps
autists with fake guns are retarded

>>509792417
It's good for ~15 feet. Typical indoor distances.

>>509792474
baseball bat is better, or a knife, 15 ft can be closed in seconds

>>509792517
I have a machete literally within arm's reach right now.

>>509792387
If it turns into anything you're at a disadvantage because you're the gimp with the toy gun and he's the violent guy who's just broken into your house.
Not to mention it's really fucking difficult to get accurate hits on a moving target with a real pistol at the best of times. That's why nobody is ever told to shoot for the head.

>>509792600
yea that'll do much better than that 'gun'. i have one too

>>509792620
>>509792658
I have two hands.

>>509792600
Sounds good, if that doesn't make him fuck off he's not interested in going out on his feet.
Obviously not real gun, he's going to fancy his chances.

>>509792693
One of them could be holding a real gun. Even better, both of them could.

>>509772918 (OP)
>7.6 ft lbs of energy

a .177 bb pistol is twice is as powerful lol. a well placed shot with a pellet rifle is infinitely more useful for defense and completely legal basically everywhere

Also, if the people who are now trying to downplay it are glowies who want to make people less interested in buying them, then they're also playing into my hands by illustrating that even weak, ineffective weapons are too scary for the German government.

>>509792768
In theory the dart will go through heavy clothing you won't feel a pellet through. On the other hand if that's going to put off your attacker he's really unmotivated and you could probably just pay him $100 to fuck off and be up $60 on the deal.

>>509792794
>weak, ineffective weapons
>dangerous toys
These aren't the same thing.

>>509792794
>even weak, ineffective weapons are too scary for the German government.
This.
The government can't even vote on the law they are trying to enforce because it's so draconian. The "spirit of the law" is too overbearing to allow in print. How are people supposed to follow a law that Germany won't document? How do people know they are breaking the unwritten law?

>>509792939
Adults can buy all sorts of dangerous things. Why does this one in particular scare you?
An ice pick or sharpened screwdriver can go through the same vests.

>>509773545
>Buy an ad faggot.
Eat shit bot

>>509793049
>Why does this one in particular scare you
Are you mentally retarded anon.

>>509773852
>I posted a link to a vid on the youtube channel of a local news station and this same fucktard told me to buy an ad.
I think it's a young tard or a malfunctioning jeet bot.

>>509792768
>>509792901
You do understand that this thing can pierce flesh by like 5-6 inches easily and puncture internal organs? It's about how small of an area the impact is concentrated in, your .177 pellet/bb is just going to bruise, this dart can kill.
Not that I disagree with it being legal, the guy engineered it to comply with the law and it's not capable of much range, you stab someone with a knitting needle just as lethally without too much difference in attack distance.
At some point the law needs to recognize that weapons aren't dangerous, there will always be means to carry out lethal attacks with materials on hand, weapon bans derive victims of easy defence and are a mere bandaid over the symptom of dangerous people.

>>509793118
I want you to articulate your point like an adult. Are you too mentally retarded to do that and project it onto everyone else?

what is stopping someone from coating the needles in dogshit/poison like a vietnamese spike trap?

>>509793213
.22LR can and does kill, a lot. Problem is it's incredibly unreliable and it doesn't matter if the guy dies or not if he's got enough time to gralloch YOU before he croaks. There's a reason nobody's carrying a fucking .22.

>>509793213
Even real handguns kinda suck at killing because, unless you get into really fancy projectiles or guns too large to properly carry concealed in most environments, the bullets just make "ice pick" wounds. The permanent wound cavity is smaller than the diameter of the bullet. Unless you hit something vital, they'll probably live and even be able to continue fighting in a lot of cases. It's why you need to focus on shot placement and keep shooting until the threat ends.

>>509793288
What really scares me is there's grown men who think like you. A lot of them in fact, it's called a competency crisis apparently.

>>509793311
That would be illegal, Anon.
If it's illegal, that means it's impossible to do it.

>>509793457
Oh, so it's no the thing that scares you, it's the idea of people who aren't you having the means to react to your attempts to inflict violence on them. That about right?

>>509793213
a .177 pellet going above 500 fps will fracture the skull and drop you instantly, a .22 one will enter and be fatal. At higher velocities both will penetrate significantly, through bone, through organs.

It's banned because it probably sets a precedent for innovating new small arms to replace existing regulated ones. I'm not too familiar with German law but what would be stopping the next iteration from utilizing buckshot in those chambers with a massive co2 tank launching them at 2000fps?

>>509793375
.22 is the historically preferred calibre of north american mafia executions.
And that's just a single .22 round, if you go up to 3-5 rounds in a semi-auto or auto you suddenly enter the range of immediate lethality.
>nobody is carrying a fucking .22
my .22 rifle lives in my truck, albeit the purpose is shooting ground squirrels (picrelated) but nonetheless.

>>509774240
You cant post an image 5 times!

>>509793616
Anon, this has the same energy has every other airgun in Germany. It's literally just because it's a narrower projectile that it penetrates more.

>>509793529
>the means to react to your attempts to inflict violence on them
My dude you are in fact retarded, you should get that looked at.

>>509793616
>>509793690
Okay, I don't buy three mentally retarded leafs. You're either jeets or literally kids.

>>509793616
>a .177 pellet going above 500 fps
Right right, I forget the ones you can buy here are legally below optimum power level, I now remember seeing video of a .177 air rifle that could take down deer if your aim is good.
Previous statement retracted.

>>509793780
>Attack the person, attack the person, attack the person
Still unable to think of any rational arguments? That's okay. You can still participate in the tread by looking at how much better everyone else is at making cogent points and serving as a verbal punching bag for your betters.

>>509774240
In the Netherlands, unlike in Germany and most other European countries, gas powered rifles are entirely unregulated.
So they have no strength limitations. And no registration is required, you just have to show you're 18+.
You have to put them away if you want to travel m with it though.

The reason why it's unregulated is because criminals don't use them. The people who use them are mostly farmers. I guess criminals don't consider them cool enough.

>>509793813
Energy scales linearly with mass and exponentially with velocity. The darts from the six needler only go ~350 FPS.
There's a guy who made a PCP gun that fired .50 caliber NERF darts at supersonic speeds. You have NO IDEA how much crazier the six needler could've been if it wasn't made specifically to not run afoul of German law.

>>509772918 (OP)
this is worthless

>>509794084
If it's worthless why ban it?

>>509794013
Yes I do, and not that crazy.
The trick isn't making a lethal projectile, the trick is making a lethal projectile that carries a roughly flat trajectory over a decent range, the problem with say, a .22lr round isn't lack of lethality, it's that you can't make a 200 yard shot with much hope of accuracy even without wind being a factor.

>>509794204
People shoot .22 LR at 500 yards for shiggles.

>>509787925
the benefit of a railgun is having a giant projectile without having to worry about the chamber blowing up
speed is only a part of the equation

When will the .32ACP rifled cylinder & hammer conversion be available?

>>509794245
In practice it's a pain in the ass because the rails like to weld themselves to the projectile and deform unevenly.
Also, the capacitors are huge.

>>509793735
It sets a precedent. The same exact argument can be made about our own gun laws banning complaint "ar15" style rifles. You have to ban innovation or it will circumvent and cause existing legislation to become redundant.

>>509793813
What? plenty of people have died from .177 bb pistols in the low 300 fps range. A .22 pellet will absolutely crack and penetrate bone at 500fps and it's not even contentious. You wouldn't take down a deer with one because the energy loss at those ranges will be steep. Point blank to a couple meters away absolutely will kill a deer if shot in the head. Please familiarize yourself with the topic at hand before making retarded "roasts".

>>509794204
No dipshit, the problem is putting the lethal projectile into an area where its lethality can actually be applied reliably. You can drop a full grown bull with a .22LR if you hit it in the right spot and even then the slaughtermen prefer .22WMR when they're both standing completely still with the dumb fucker looking right at them at point blank range.
There's a huge difference between "it can happen in theory" and "I can make it happen on demand at short notice in trying circumstances". In this case it's on par with a plan that starts with "I will unsheathe my katana...".

>>509788547
they were separate sentences. Right of citizens to bear arms shall not be infringed AND ALSO a well regulated militia being necessary.

Maybe kikes who don't know shit about the subject shouldn't write the laws for it.

>>509794239
People TRY to shoot .22lr at 500 yards for shits and giggles, if 50 people enter a competition to do so 1 or 2 will actually make the shot, and that basically boils down to luck.
Have you watched one of these competitions? guys making a 500 yard .22lr shot show on their faces just how much they were excited to make it.
.22lr tend to be supersonic rounds, and given their low weight there is a slight alteration of trajectory at the moment the bullet breaks the sound barrier. It's why .223 rifles are preferred for varminting (.223 being a heavier round), though I stick with the .22 just because the gun was free and I'm not making a huge investment just to shoot some squirrels, the bullets I write off because they come out of the catfood budget.

>>509794508
Essentially one line says you're allowed to own the weapons and the other line says you're allowed to join a group of other armed people.

>>509794164
>not worthless

Groin, face or neck shot might cause panic. Lethal shot(s)? Dunno. Shooting 2 arrows out of picrel, maybe.

>>509794730
That's why they don't use the supersonic .22's, they use subsonics (or barrels short enough they don't make it to supersonic).

>>509794799
>subsonic .22lr
Well that carries with it less impact depriving it of lethality (not entirely just notably less so)
Considering we're discussing lethal calibres (resumably in regards to human lethality) than the attributes of weaker ammunition are of little value.

>>509772918 (OP)
>>509793121

>>509794245
>without having to worry about the chamber blowing up
Thanks to thermoaerodynamics, the air inside the chamber gets so hot it damages the barrel, so it can only shoot a few rounds before having to replace it, you would need to create a vacuum inside the gun for this not to happen

This and the energy needed to power a railgun means it can only fit on ships or buildings

A regular missile is just better and cheaper

>>509795064
Subsonic rounds are always going to carry less energy. This is especially visible in rounds like .300 BLK that were designed explicitly for both.

>>509795142
Speaking of making a vacuum inside of a cannon, you would find these a lot of fun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ydJXOTf1-4

>>509795064
>weaker ammunition are of little value
Aguila makes a fun subsonic .22 that is 60 grain.

>>509795277
That's literally 1.5 times the weight of a normal .22

>>509773117
There is no spirit in the legal sense.
Spiritual law is how reality functions.
Like energy laws.
Like with the Sabbath, it is a spiritual law because it has to do with humility.
Living in defiance of God will be corrected. It's one of the ten commandments.
These are laws housed in wisdom. They serve a purpose for the metric of the soul. We are given this wisdom to utilize and grow as a people.
To each their own who breaks these laws unless they merge with mens laws like murder or theft.
Like the jews argued with Jesus..
They said in the law of Moses we should stone this woman, albeit Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
It isn't the law of Moses that needs to be followed it is the ten commandments.
God tested Moses in this manner and Moses is not perfect. He didn't understand.
Mens laws are retarded shit that needs clear outline otherwise you're giving some retard the ability to control you.

>>509794204
You can make 200 yards with a 22. 400 is where it gets hard.

>>509795305
>That's literally 1.5 times the weight of a normal .22
Yes.

>>509772918 (OP)
I feel like pepper spray has higher stopping power than this shit
a fire extinguisher has higher stopping power too

>>509795415
>I feel like pepper spray has higher stopping power than this shit
>a fire extinguisher has higher stopping power too
But it's so dangerous, the German government can't allow it.

>>509795415
In the Netherlands a pepperspray is illegal, as it can only be used for violence.
A knife on the other hand is legal to carry.

I don't carry anything though. It's pretty safe here.

>>509772918 (OP)
I live goofy shit that get around government regulations!

>>509795626
Reminds me of the T-Rex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zrhKM0XODk

>>509793049
Youtube nuked his channel for showing the hidden master technique to bypass body armor of being a moderately large guy and stabbing the anti stab vest very hard.

I fucking hate nanny state assholes. I literally legally own a semi auto battle rifle but a knife the pushes the blade out of the handle by spring force is too dangerous for anyone to own.

Why is there so much panic about these cop killer pistols that can penetrate body armor? There are already plenty of ugly ass midget sized ar 15s "AR pistol" builds that are almost like a 223 handgun

>>509795599
Gas rifles can be used to kill rodents. A knife is used in every day life. But pepperspray has no alternative function.

>>509795949
Ironically the ONLY pepper sprays you can have in Canada are the ones for use against dogs/bears. If you get it for use against humans, then that's banned.

>>509795949
>But pepperspray has no alternative function.
seasoning

>>509795331
Without wind, yes. My scope even has crosshairs for 200 yards with .22lr, on a perfectly calm day I'll make those shots, but depending on wind I prefer to stick with 50-100 yards. I shoot hundreds of ground squirrels every year, I'm no slouch with this, I just understand the reality of what can be shot reliably and repeatedly vs. a one-off shot where you push your luck for competition purposes.
Although shooting a 6 inch squirrel at 200 yards is a bit of a different task than shooting a 6 foot man at same.

>>509795599
it's kinda sorta illegal here to if you're above the 0.2% capsaicin threshold
now if you manage to get bear pepper spray that goes up to 2%, which effectively KOs a guy for hours

>>509772918 (OP)
I want a mini GoPro mounted on the Needler. I want to see needlenig and needlemus and needlekikes.

>>509793213
It's a bit of a nothing burger anon. Please relax. In practical terms it's not that lethal and you need to hit a critical organ at close range. The other thing is that it can be pretty easily stopped or deflected with various plate material, maybe just hard plastics. Of course a thin slender thing can penetrate kevlar easily.

>>509793616
Likely not, that's pretty out of the ballpark for that.

>>509793616
>a massive co2 tank
nobody wants to go around with a bomb strapped on their back

>>509796068
are these tails used for sex toys?

>>509799763
These are keychains, fishing lures, earrings if you like even.
Filthy hedonist.