Give me a reasonable critique of National Socialism, without "MUH HOLOCAUST, MUH WHITE SUPREMACY, MUH GENOCIDE"

>>509779880 (OP)
they had shit soldiers

incompatible with human rights

>>509779880 (OP)
the leadership was shitty

Socialism bad, 'mkay

>>509779880 (OP)
an unreasonable ideology does not warrant reasonable critique

>>509779923
why is Finland carrying everyone in the Euro theater?

>Give me a critique of National Socialism, without touching the topics of the holocaust, white supremacy or genocide.
Standby I'm proooommting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLeoqCS3mvY

>>509779923
did you miss the other 20 million dead russians, you retarded nigger?

>>509779880 (OP)
It's violent

>>509779880 (OP)
Why would an individual knowlingly submitt to another who does not have their best interest in mind? Whats the point of being human If all your going to be is a cell that makes up a Nation with a head of state as the rule?
National sociamists love talking about the need to see the bigger picture and submitt yourself to a higher calling, but isnt evolution just a waste If all this intelligence ever produced was yet another way to turn oneself into a lump of flesh, a cog in a machine? What a shame

The sadest thing in the world is seeing an disapointed authortarian who does not Learn after being thrown under the buss by yet another leader.
While being bale to see the clear flaws in other nations, one isnt able to apply it to ones own

>>509780272
its combat deaths and combat kills, your killing of civilians doesnt count towards your total

>>509779880 (OP)
their inability to hold to agreements their own regime accepted
the 'economic miracle' that stalls the moment you run out of capital and property to seize
letting the SS develop into a parallel army instead of a corps of specialists
just about everything to do with the tiger/panther series

>>509779880 (OP)
I wouldn’t survive
That is my selfish take

>Give me a reasonable critique of National Socialism, without "MUH HOLOCAUST, MUH WHITE SUPREMACY, MUH GENOCIDE"
Intellectual thought-Terrorism, The High, the Middle, and the Low, Your Ignorance is your strength, War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, 2+2=4 white supremacist dogwhistle is Deep Swamp.

Don't lose your humanity and betray family for the ingsoc combine bar of chocolate, no matter what, that's a fate worse than death. INGSOC oceana masterfully defines that one group that eludes even the most powerful hegemonic powers.
Truth become Untruth, and then become truth again and the history of the change forgotten. And then the forgetting is forgotten
The Endless war is not between the nations, but is violence waged from the super rich against the super poor to keep their cozy little mafia intact. They will kill you and make the government legislate it as okay if you substantially get in their way.

"Dystopian Masterpiece in '1984' *eyeball* OBrian undresses the Klan's core mission to Winston by Popcorn and Projectors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzQfUS04KTE

Won't work in America.

>>509779880 (OP)
Hitler foresaw Mossad, Epstein, global government compromise a century in advance and tried to stop it.

>>509780429
Did you mean to describe Democracy when trying to provide a critique of national socialism or was that just a happy accident.

>>509779880 (OP)
It doesn't work long term.
It can't fix fertility rates long term.
You can only force young men and women together in camps while invoking nationalist sentiment for so long until people get tired of it.
I actually hate WW2 I wanted to see the collapse of nazi Germany happen by itself.

Its a retarded system that is destined to fall apart as soon as the leader dies (Spain, Italy, Portugal) because its more of a glorified personality cult than an actual ideology.
Say what you like about the commies, at least they could have a succession without the entire thing imploding

>>509779880 (OP)
Deutsche Physik was pure autism.
Institutional Darwinism for intel agencies was retarded.
Should've taken Oscar behind the barn.

>>509779880 (OP)
extra retardedly poisonous blend of two variants of marxism, fascism and socialism
only good thing about it is that it self-destructs even more rapidly than communism, to the point it didn't even last a decade before running out of money stripped from the Jews and was forced to begin invading other non-marxist countries to keep their economic miracle afloat

purity spiral

>>509779880 (OP)
You can't win without Christ

>>509779880 (OP)
I dont need to, it got destroyed by better systems. The leader was an ugly neurotic speed addict basedboy who didnt eat meat. All things considered it was a short blip in history and nowadays its mostly adopted by degenerate losers. Same goes for commies

>>509780773
democracy doesn't preclude authoritarianism

>>509780960
>extra retardedly poisonous
These are fallacies and appeal to emotion not arguments memeflag

Name calling, poisoning the well, appeal to emotion, attempting to control the narrative, virtual peer pressure

>>509779880 (OP)
it enables kakistocracy

Why are you asking me stupid questions about civilization when we already know a representative from a federation of planets that intends to assimilate us into their system and will be here in another 470 years?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvy6tqMB3MM

>>509780431
yeah right, Im sure the other 20 million are all civlians
and not people they send to the front without ammunition

>>509779880 (OP)
Obviously, Hitler. Hitler's personality was the biggest problem with the whole regime.
A state run by e.g. Goering would have been completely different, and much more like pre-WWI Germany.
>>509780465
>their inability to hold to agreements their own regime accepted
This was Hitler's "artistic temperament" and something he was actually proud of - the fact that he was bound by no rules and was completely unpredictable
(Unlike the Prussian aristocrats who traditionally governed Germany)

>>509781082
yes it does
authoritarianism can only pretend to be a democracy, by making a big song and dance about how everybody gets to vote but then tossing the results and letting the authoritarians decide who gets to be their figurehead no matter who the people voted for
the US "Democrat" party has been doing this since it was founded by Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jackson

>>509780960
nasty jewish hands typed this post

A lot of faggots is this thread. Hitler called the USA half judenized and half negrofied. That was a hundred years ago. Step outside and see how it looks now. There's no volk here. I've toyed around with the idea of combining NatSoc with 1776 libertarianism, but honestly these niggers deserve MIGA. I'm just waiting for some techbro to throw me in a box somewhere

>gibs me dat fo free

>>509781469
civilians and prisoners, yes, but you also didnt kill them all, 8.5m died of famine

>>509779880 (OP)
It’s too incoherent, you have some trappings of technocracy and futurism but also rustic traditionalism, paganism with christianity with atheism. German Nationalism, but rejecting actual German identities in favour of something very vague and focused entirely on the Party.

All that plus the deep focus on Martyrdom and self-loathing which manifested itself in the end when Hitler and the High Command chose to fight until death of every last German rather than negotiate peace.
Unconditional surrender doctrine is not an excuse because Japan surrendered and arguably suffered less than Germany.

The individual takes second place to the state.

>>509781639
The Kaiser was right, everything great about NatSoc was just lifted from the German Empire.

>>509781119
OP didn't ask for an argument, only a critique, and apparently I gave one so good that it made you start crying about it

>>509781695
keep believing soviet horseshit

>>509779880 (OP)
Killing white people, and getting your own white people killed to save the white race. What a stupid idea.
All so you can purge a few bankers.

It fundamentally values women over men, which is degenerate.
>muh hekkin' birthrates
>muh hekkin' aryan goddesses
>muh white(tm) women(tm)
>everything you do has to be for the sole purpose of maintainting the white race by worshipping women
Hitler was also a simp and raised by a single mother.

It's an ideology crated by a simp, sold to simps, in an attempt to convert all men into simps.

>>509781917
thats the stupidest thing I ever heard
the entire NSDAP was run by men

>>509782023
Yes, all of whom were simps.

>>509782107
youre a retarded nigger

>>509780431
kys subhuman kike

>>509781851
germans had a negative k:d, this is a fact not even redpilled holohoax people dispute, sorry this hurts your feelings

>>509782171
You don't deny it huh

>>509782208
i denounce the talmud, germans were simply shit soldiers, this is a fact. Finns were the best, followed by us marines

>>509782220
sure thing, you dumb russian nigger
your shithole cant even beat Ukraine without the west backing you up, like in both world wars, and you lie with every breathe you take

It’s essentially reverse-engineered propaganda to promote fairness and uplifting through incentives.

Imagine positive propaganda that says normal people, IE not modern TikTok people are the new desirable type. Imagine propaganda that says a man in his 30s is what women should want.

That would essentially be a modern form of what happened back then. Remember that before the NatSoc takeover, they had Weimar Germany.

>>509782408
im very obviously american, our boys killed yours 3:1 haha

>>509779880 (OP)
it is a bad system. thats why they lost. losers lose

>>509782437
That's literally what Chinese TikTok is.

>>509782481
was your grandfather in the tuskagee airmen, nigger?

>>509779880 (OP)
It's judaism for whites

>>509779880 (OP)
Needs a society and world situation that wouldn't crush it. The best ideology is the one that fits the current situation, in this case demographics.

>>509779923
Now let's see the ratios for combat kills + captures excluding the year 1945 when Germany was in tatters.

>>509782820
no, since im not 50, my grandfather did not fight in ww2, he was born in 1970, but my great great gradfather maybe killed your great grandpa and raped your grammy and her sisters haha
>>509782820
here you go, still pretty shit compared to allies

>>509783151
you again missed 20 million dead russians
im pretty sure youre brown

>>509783151
>>509782888
@ed the wrong person

>>509783317
no, of the 20 million who died, most died due to famine and sickness, not combat deaths, sorry this hurts your feelings but germans were some of the worst soldiers in ww2

>>509783343
we get it, youre stupid

>>509783392
>according to soviet sources
>and they would never lie

>>509783607
this isnt including any of the camps bud

Impossible. National socialism is perfect. It eradicates communists while preserving muscle mass and boob jiggle. It also makes me want to reach out and grab teen girl bikini butts when I see them.

>>509780472
Are you a jew?

>>509783673
I dint say it does
Im putting a hole in the credibility of the soviets
apparently that flies over your stupid brown head

>>509783770
its ai using deep search of all records retard, its my prompt and its only combat kill and combat deaths. You are retarded and should feel bad about your life

>>509783900
>its ai
lol

>>509783960
yes, here i had it break down the civilian deaths of the ussr for you

We think the biggest problem is that the Ukraine is nazi and involved with serious criminal activity including
- attacking Ukrainian civilians with military drones and blaming the Kremlin
- dealing cocaine and getting European leaders hooked on cocaine
- child sex slave trafficking, bribery, extortion, and blackmail
and has ties to the CIA. Moreover, Kiev is involved with a very dangerous information operation against the USA. Kiev has intimidated the Western press to the point where he can manipulate them into publishing his lies, and they won't follow up to disprove his claims.
Example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/04/kyiv-ukraine-russia-drone-attack "Ukraine accuses Putin of humiliating Trump with devastating attack on Kyiv"

>>509779880 (OP)
it's against human nature. I don't give a shit about my nation's people and neither do you. you think at least half of your country's population are your enemy. you only like aesthetics bullshit

>>509784127
anon, they lie
the soviets lied about everything

>>509784251
hey retard, this isnt soviet data, its all data, including german. German soldiers were complete dogshit, its why they lost 2 world wars. This is simply a fact

>>509779880 (OP)
Compare the number of German troops shot for desertion compared to the Allies. Start there

>>509784459
anon, the number of deaths is soviet data
are you fucking retarded?

>>509784459
Waffen-SS units were known to fight with determination and commitment, but this often resulted in high casualty rates. Estimates suggest hundreds of thousands of SS soldiers were killed or went missing during the war. One report indicates that out of approximately 950,000 men who served in the Waffen-SS, around 253,000 were killed, missing, ((((or died in Eisenhower POW death camps. ))))

>>509784616
hahaha regardless, the combat kills and death ratio of the germans was negative. You lost most soldiers than you killed. Ther german army sucked in ww2 (and ww1 and hell even the napolean war). Germans simply cant fight. The best were the finns, followed by the marines, then the aussies and then the us in europe and the brits round out the top 5

>>509784749
you dont win wars by dying for your country, you win wars by making the other bastard die for his. Throwing their lives away recklessly is fucking stupid

>>509779880 (OP)
It's not even a coherent ideology whose tenets can be objectively criticized
The entire "ideology" is racist ramblings and pseudoscientific nonsence used to disguise cope
It was co-opted by german industrialists who used it for massive war-profiteering, and it lead to a war with 100 million dead

only the biggest retards take it seriously nowdays

>>509784758
in WW1 we had more kills than your side, and you had to gang up with everyone you can find
you stupid nigger

>>509784843
Then Hitler was all to correct in his growing hatred for them....

The whole of the world had to fight Germany they where such bad soldiers and did not die in death camps after the war for giving up on Hitler.
During World War II, German pilots claimed roughly 70,000 aerial victories, while over 75,000 Luftwaffe aircraft were destroyed or significantly damaged.

>>509780034
>Tf
>Tp
Kill yourself today

>>509785015
not true, just asked the ai and you had a negative k:d on the western front of ww1 as well
>>509785145
the luftwaffe was destroyed by 1942 by outdated british planes. It was dog shit too, i can have the ai make you a chart if youd like

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>>509785558
you retarded nigger

Won't you ride it until it explodes.

We was jooooz and shit!

>>509786140
causalities != deaths you mouth breather, the only one you had a positive k:d with was the french haha

>>509786249
I bet youre proud ganging up on one country
do you jerk yourself off to it?

>>509779880 (OP)
The state is a structure of power, and bad actors always infiltrate, capture, and ossify inside of any structure of power they didn’t make themselves.

tl;dr if Germany won the war, the jews would have re-entered the country and captured the Reich 5-15 years after Hitler died.

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>>509786378
but retard, you werent one country, you had 3 empires on your side in ww1. The usa was still a bunch of ranchers and farmers and not even a regional power yet and still kicked your hairy asses haha

>>509779880 (OP)
1. Its based on a lie
2. Its designed to function only as a dictatorship
3. It eats itself without an enemy to unite against, which is why it absolutely has to be antagonistic to other groups, which eventually culminates in warfare

Altogether its a failed ideology designed to herd people like cattle into a single authoritarian dictatorship where a single lunatic can decide the fates of millions. Its a terrible system.

>>509779923
They treated them like shit. Difference. That's what happens when you follow a jew.

>>509786501
>>509786140
on the western front its germany and austria
are you stupid

>>509779880 (OP)
>Honest critique
They lost the war.

>>509786697
>Honest critique.

Brake away civilization away from your global hommo.
Star ship curser levels.over 9000.

>>509779880 (OP)
It doesn't hate women enough.

>>509779880 (OP)
Just wanted to pop in and say Jin-Roh is fucking great

>>509786974
True that military Aryan should have at least two breeding programs gibs babies the state owns welfare of rather then the mother .

>>509786645
yes two empires, you werent alone, but still lost haha

>>509781917
A based Swede? Did I shift timeline again?

>>509780887
>the minute Stalin dies, the USSR starts getting Capitalist friendly
>the minute Mao dies, China gets capitalist friendly
>the minute Castro dies, Cuba gets capitalist friendly
The only reason North Korea has lasted so long is because they decided to make their leadership a dynasty, guaranteed once Kim Jong Un dies, North Korea will become China 2.0./the south’s bitch

Shut up hole.
He military he's a body of the sate.

>>509779880 (OP)
if socialism wasn’t retarded enough
racial socialism is nigger tier

>>509782253
Because he can't

>>509779880 (OP)
First of all, KYS 1pbtid bot nigger faggot.
As for the question, National Socialism believes other races would be able to live in harmony with aryans, and that world peace would be achieved if the world adopted the national socialist ideology.
I understand why they'd think what they do, but having the privilege of hindsight, and seeing the present, I say that this is not possible, and that racialism is doomed to fail.
National Socialism, although much more patriarchal than all modern ideologies, was still feminist when compared to empires of old, and this, too, would have doomed their movement and country to fall. Though national socialist feminism could have been a temporary policy, much like their christcuck tolerance, but I lack proofs of this.

>>509780431
>jewish communist partisans aren't combatants
lol kys kike

>>509787363
If we take rights away from women...

What do you think about implants of Aryan ova into a black surrogate host mother.
It would be like jiamima feed him/her sence being a chicken egg in her hot pocket...

>>509779880 (OP)
MUH BRAPS
MUH HOGS
MUH SLAMS
MUH PIGS
MUH COLOSTOMY
MUH EMMERHOIDS
MUH CUMSOK

>>509779880 (OP)
The government dictates the economy. Gay.

>>509787668
partisan are combatants and were included in the numbers

>>509779923
>soviet union mobilized: 12 million

fuckin lulz

the numbers for the first 4 countries all absurdly wrong and obviously so for anyone who knows anything about ww2 beyond pop culture.

>>509787173
it realistically was only Germany on the western front
but you would know that, if you werent a stupid mexican

>>509787766
If it one Juden more or less then 6 million it's a hate crime of false information yet you claim he owes 1 pound of foreskins for the dollarcost SHYLOCK?

They didn't kill nearly as many Jews as is broadly claimed

>>509787766
all the numbers are 100% accurate, germans were shit (soviets were too)
>>509787868
regardless, they lost becasue their soldiers were shit, the usa only had to fight for a few weeks before we won and chased your bubble gum asses all the back to berlin
>>509787967
it doesnt include the holohoax, its purely combat kills and combat deaths

>>509788048

you know we not only have books we not only have google but chatgdp n shit these days, right? retard

One Lbs. of flesh closes to the top of his scrotum. The suffrage of my dollarcost is not something the goyim are knowing.

>>509779880 (OP)
The predominant delusion here about the world uniting to stop them for the Jews is completely false. WWII started because Hitler started the war, and it ended the way it did because he foolishly picked a fight with countries stronger than Germany. In the end, Germany ended up in a worse state than it was before he took power. All the National Socialists accomplished was the death of millions of Whites, the further subjugation of Germand, and the collapse of the British and French colonial empires.

>>509788122
yes, ai can sort through all the data and give the range of what the lowest they claim and the highest they claim and compile that into a chart. When this is done, germany is proven to have shit soldiers by all estimates, even their own

>>509788048
ive never heard of the weird chart you posted.

its well known the German soldiers were the best of that generation. They took on the world and youre here larping.

>>509788122
dont fall for the faggy jews bait.

Germany took on the world and almost won... No one believes Germany had shit soldiers.

Jews will always jew and its how they won ww2. they larp and pretend and it persuades the masses. America shouldve never helped out England or France.

never again.

next time make sure the holocaust is real.

>>509788397
ai made it, its well known that the germans lost more troops in combat than they killed, your delusion comes when you add in civilian deaths for their enemies but not themselves. They were some of the worst soldiers of the war, this is a fact not even those red pilled on the holohoax disagree with. Wehraboos have always been made fun of for not even reading a single book

>>509779880 (OP)
It's a means to an end, it would need to turn into a republic or a monarchy to maintain itself. Same goes for communism.

>>509788621
tldr stfu faggy jew.

no one likes you

>>509788048
Reminder Hitler was the most evil man in history.
Not only did he order the destruction of the Holocaustal rollercoaster that whould have stood as a reminding testament in history of the atrocities.
Also the end of ww2 forced many Jews to have their own city like a beach house Nation they can live in.

>>509779880 (OP)
NatSoc does this weird purity spiral shit where they begin eating each other once they run out of shit to steal
All modern nazis are retarded in general because they make coalition building totally impossible.

>>509780272
>>509781469
I just did a quick demographic calcualtion to expose soviet lies based on the male-female ratio

>This region has been predominantly female since at least World War II, when many Soviet men died in battle or left the country to fight. In 1950, there were just 76.6 men per 100 women in the territory that is now Russia.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/08/14/why-the-former-ussr-has-far-fewer-men-than-women/

the soviet union had roughly 200 million people

which means around 20 million men that were killed in the war

>>509788721
i denounce the talmud, sorry your fantasies are crushed
>>509788776
hitler killed more white people than anyone else in history, that is true

>>509788828
based, fuck rusfags

>>509788884
>communists
>white
kvetch harder red nigger

This place is like... A Holocaustal rollercoasterbaby baby i Wana rind.
1 123 Hitler tore town the Holocaustal rollercoaster and that just mean.
Holocaustal rollercoaster go slow apex Holocaustal rollercoaster goes fast Holocaustal rollercoster baby baby.

>>509780057
Because they only fought the soviets.

>>509779880 (OP)
It’s shit at everything other than producing good combat soldiers.

>>509788989
so the 13,000,000 germans he got killed by starting a war he couldnt win, werent white either then? Why are wehraboos so dumb? Like if you want to copy a different country who was actually good at combat, copy the finns. The germans were shit by every metric

>>509779880 (OP)
Chat GPT says workers had no rights.
Literally illegal to unionize, instead of functionally impossible to do.
Couldn't sue your employer.
Not that Burgerland unemployed fags can sue their employer anyway, they can't afford it.
Apparently you had an Arbeit Book, a Work Book, and you needed it to transfer jobs. Thing is, your employer kept your work book. So. No changing jobs.
Apparently all effort of work was done for the good of the state - if you were hoarding wealth, the state would effectively take it.
Not sure ifnthere were state bakeries, and state plumbers, and state roofers, drywallers, etc. vs. private enterprises, sole proprietorships.
Apparently the big distinction is being poor with no work rights, vs being poor with rights but not being able to exercise them effectively.
And then the NSDAP constitution exactly calls out Aryan's as thr superior race, so, that is on its face "bad".
I asked ChatGPT to paint Hitler in an altruistic light, and it refused.
I asked ChatGOT to frame King Jong Il in an altruistic light, and it refused.
I asked it to frame Xi Jingling in an altruistic light - and it did.

>>509779880 (OP)
NS needs an enemy to prevent the descent into degeneracy it aims to combat. The need for an enemy tends to lead to looking for external threats, warfare and collapse. Out of all the NS experiments only Spain avoided this and it didn't survive past the death of the dictator, falling to the degeneracy anyway.

>>509789147
where do you get 13 million dead germans from

>>509779880 (OP)

Look at their results: they got at least 5 million of their own men killed, at least 2 million of the women raped and their country divided and occupied.

Talk about epic fail.

>>509789147
>The germans were shit by every metric
May I see the metrics....?
Present it

>>509779880 (OP)
Do you mean the ideology in a vacuum, or the actual Third Reich? Only going to address the actual history here
>It wasn't economically sustainable
Basically everything they achieved was done by draining the national coffers at a breakneck pace, and taking out a bunch of loans that they had no intention of paying back on top of that. A large part of why they got into WW2 when they did and overextended so badly is that they needed to conquer the people they owed money to before they could do anything about getting it back. Had they not gone to war, Germany would've fallen into an even worse depression by '41 or so.
>Extreme levels of corruption
The government was riddled with people working at odds with one another and playing underhanded politics to suit their own agendas. Corporations also had way too much influence, especially when it came to military spending, and the government ended up wasting huge amounts of time and money on projects that went nowhere because they were basically just handouts, or got canceled because some Luftwaffe minister got promoted and canceled a contract in favor of giving it to a company he was associated with, or whatever.
>Culture of lying to one's superiors
Present in all authoritarian/totalitarian states, the Soviets and Chinese are famous for the same thing. People at the top had no idea what was really going on because every step along the chain of command was bullshiting the people above them. Obviously came to a head late in the war when the high command believed whole armies were still available when in reality they'd been decimated and so on.
>Excessive ambition
If they'd stopped at Poland they'd probably still have it today. They might even have been able to keep France as well. They could've had a Cold War with the Soviets and decades to prepare for an eventual conflict instead of invading when they did.

>>509789520
I did not read one word.
Lols.

>>509789461
total deaths
>>509789473
see my first post

>>509788884
jews are allowed to denounce the Talmud.

no one is falling for your jewish tricks

>>509789671
that is the german population I showed you
there arent 13 million dead germans

>>509780960
They printed their own currency, the reichmark, to pay their citizens.
Germany barter-traded goods with other countries to ge those goods and currencies.
What do you mean their economy was going to collapse.
Keep paying people in reichmarks.
Build your own cruise ships - they did.
Build your own jet airplanes - they did.
Build your own cars - they did.
Build your own trains - they did.
Citizens paid in Reich were still able to vacation, travel.
The money was in a closed system?
How does it run out?

>>509789461
the same place he got 6 million jews being killed.

>>509789905
the fact remains thats american soldiers in europe were 4x better than germans, the us marines were 10x better and the finns were the best of the war. If you dont like anglos, you should study and copy the finnish tactics, not the germans (unless you want to lose)
>>509789970
you arent very bright, are you?

>>509781675
>William Dafoe

>>509782712
We need this to make NatSoc work theoretically today, and I don’t mean just dialing back woke shit. I mean inherently positive shit to make people less vain and shitty toward one another. Less competition and more cohesion.

American society is based on shitting on others to make themselves seem as better.

The downside of NatSoc is that it is temporary and doesn’t live forever. It’s a means to an end or a utopia, essentially a certain libertarian end that isn’t gay and self-destructive.

>>509779880 (OP)
It's marxist adjecent so from a principle stand-point is wrong, it doesn't matter what hitler said, he was part of the working party so he knew pretty well that he was a marxist.
saying that it wasn't because of
>reasons
is the same cope that commies do when point out all commie fail states in history and the current world.
or that christkikes do when his cult is expose
>that was not real christkikery!
they would say, same applied here, when you mention that national socialism is in fact socialism they will say
>nooo, that's not real socialism, national socialism is the real socialism!
that's dumb, yes the idea of nationality is good, but that's about it. the rest? not so much.

>>509790086
the fact is your a jew and acting like a jew.

op is right. national socialism is the future. its the best antidote to the jewish problem.

>>509790086
oh you mean, when the americans had totat air superiority and material superiority on the western front
youre fucking retarded
but that is evident the whole thread

>>509789970
i bet youre going to say jews just made up the number 6 million too! oy vey

>>509780431
nice cope slav nigger, kikes zerg rush sacrificing millions of ruskies and others. international kikes didn't lost because of international parasitism and the fact they were ready to sacrifice every last single ruskie.

>>509779923
> germany
> combat deaths
> 5.3 million
why u lying?
5.3 is literally the high-end estimate for total deaths suffered by the german armed forces

>>509790302
next time dont build the jews a summer camp. that was your biggest mistake. if youre going to get blamed for killing them then you should actually do it next time.

no pools for them. just hand them a shovel.

>>509780057
Russia invaded in winter without adequate equipment or experience.
Russians would huddle around fires for warmth and Fins would pick them off one by one.

>>509790270
im not a jew and fascism has failed every time its been tried. The longest lasting system in the british under the magna carta, the one that produces the highest quality of life is nordic style social democracy
>>509790370
the soviets also had a negative k:d but the germans did as well
>>509790415
military deaths != combat deaths and combat kills

>>509779880 (OP)
nationalism is quite fine, look at how mexico is understanding that now
but socialism is an impossibility without slavery at some point while we reside on this earth without autonomation for many things
until we are in space its just a grown childs wishs that will never fruition while we just argue over dumb shit

>>509790754
oy vey moshi dont be so retarded.

this entire planet was civilized by Rome which is where we get the word fascism from.

Your welcome, you fucking jew

>>509790754
> military deaths != combat deaths and combat kills
yes you retarded nigger
that was exactly my point

you only take KIA for other countries while taking KIA, DOW, and "killed in gulag" for the germans

>>509791031
im not jewish
>>509791136
no, it specifically only counts combat kills and combat deaths, it does not take "killed in gulag" into account for either side. 5.3m soviets died in their own gulags during ww2 for example but these arent included as people the germans killed

>>509779880 (OP)
militaristic societies tend to explode outwards, risking sharp contraction if they do not have enough of a military edge which they often overestimate
the centralization of power and whole social ideological outlook enabled grande works and huge industrial progress but likely given the exclusionary and rigid new cultural boundaries would have strangled technological progress and fell behind rival more open powers
no succession after hitler, given the success case and the proto monarchist social structure germany would have fared the same as other european monarchies and a successor in a time of crisis or weaknss would have even let the jews back in
given the degenerates and ideological freaks around hitler like goering and himmler with absolute power they could or likely would have done tremendous harm to germany if it had not been defeated
american economic power was so dominant at the time that a germany which had fought off the USSR to a standstill or even triumphed would have likely being economic strangled

>>509779880 (OP)
>HOLOCAUST, WHITE SUPREMACY, GENOCIDE
>critiques

>>509791673
uniquely interesting are the currency system (bottom up distributed currency creation, creates a trickle up flow) and the anti feminist reforms (recovered birthrates with 10% female quota restriction on higher ed)

>>509779923
>>509790415
>>509779923
also USA suffering the exact number of KIA in Yurop and Pacific is heavily sus

also where do the 600k "estimated kills" for the UK and US come from?
Italy only suffered 75k according to your statistic - so they (according to you) killed about 525k germans in combat
where does this number come from? Allies themselfs list a number of 373.600 Axis "battle deaths" (this MIGHT include DOW but doesn't have to) in Africa, Italy and on the western front

>>509791673
the issue of the fuhrer's successor (or lack thereof) is a good point and I would also point out that upon the fuhrer's there could easily be destructive power struggles between rivals in the fuhrer's inner circle

>>509789147
>starting
Ok Beck, Danzig was invaded by polish war criminals and Britain declared war on the response to polish aggression, but wierdly not the soviet invasion. You're just coping because you will aleays be a jewish bolshevik pawn. Your ego depends on it.

>>509791482
You are jewish.

Despite objections from Schacht, the president of the Reich’s Bank, Hitler withdrew Germany’s money system from the gold standard…Hitler substituted a direct barter system in foreign dealings. German currency became defined units of human productivity.

In January 1938, the Soviet diplomat Kristyan Rakovsky commented on the German money system. Rakovsky had held posts in London and in Paris and was acquainted with Wall Street financiers. He explained, “Hitler, this uneducated ordinary man, has out of natural intuition and even despite the opposition of the technician Schacht, created an especially dangerous economic system. An illiterate in every theory of economics driven only by necessity, he has cut out international as well as private high finance. Hitler possesses almost no gold, and so he can’t endeavor to make it a basis for currency. Since the only available collateral for his money is the technical aptitude and great industriousness of the German people, technology and labor became his ‘gold’…. As you know, like magic it’s eliminated all the unemployment for more than six million skilled employees and laborers. “

Germany’s withdrawal from the gold-based, internationally linked monetary system in favor of a medium of exchange founded on domestic productivity corresponded to Hitler’s belief in maintaining the sovereignty of nations. This was an unwelcome development in London, Paris and New York, where cosmopolitan investment and banking institutions profited from loaning money to foreign countries. Germany no longer had to borrow in order to trade on the world market. Foreign demand for German goods correspondingly created more jobs within the Reich.

— Richard Tedor, Hitler’s Revolution

>>509791986
italy lost 90,000 soldiers to combat and killed 75,000 is what it says, i guess they did declare war on germany in the end but i dont think they fought many germans. Most of the italian deaths would have been in north africa fighting the brits/aussies/us
>>509792328
what does that have to do with germans being amongst the worst soldiers by k:d in ww2?
>>509792432
im not but i dont really care if you think i am. I denounce the talmud

>>509791482
> nu-uh
your statistic lists 5.3 million as the number of "combat deaths" suffered by the germans
this is literally the HIGHEST estimate of TOTAL deaths suffered by the german military
this number is based on Rüdiger Overmans and DOES INCLUDE 500.000 DOW and more than 450.00 soldiers that HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED to have DIED IN GULAG

meanwhile your number for the soviet deaths literally only includes people killed in action or DOW (I suspect Italy and other countries only has KIA due to it being literally less than 50% of total deaths in certain cases)

>>509792506
Keep kvetching nigger, you keep seething and shitting your pants over better men than you. They lost, and our lives are worse for it. Your ego has made you a slave to yiddish bolsheviks and you will temain as e er the goodest golem.
As to the competency of German soldiers, ask the French, british and the russian casualties.

>>509779880 (OP)
Fascism is an aesthetic and emotional reaction to perceived degeneracy and loss of status not a coherent political system. To much emphasis on the state or ethnos and not enough on the individual or general creativity. There is a general loss of agency and people critiquing the people above them in the hierarchy. this means less black swan type of ingenuity and more anxiety about pleasing those above you.

>>509792566
the ai is correct, it also sites Rüdiger Overmans book Deutsche militärische Verluste im Zweiten Weltkrieg (2000) as its source
>>509792696
i didnt read any of this but it doesnt change the fact the german soldiers were of poor quality in ww2, better to study the finns or marines

>>509779880 (OP)
It suffers from the same problem of all mysticism: it's detached from reality.
The national socialists wrongly concluded that struggle is the metaphysical law of Nature, and sought it out to their own detriment.
>>509780429
>Whats the point of being human If all your going to be is a cell that makes up a Nation with a head of state as the rule?
You described all systems, including liberal democracy.
>isnt evolution just a waste If all this intelligence ever produced was yet another way to turn oneself into a lump of flesh
You don't exist to serve intelligence, your intelligence exists to serve you, and you are a "lump of flesh."

>>509793351
cont
>>509780887
those were fascist not national socialist.
>>509780960
>everything I don't like is marxism
Socialism predates marxist communism, and fascism is principally a form of idealism, not socialism. National socialism is unrelated to both marxism and fascism, except in that they all developed from socialist critiques of liberalism.
>>509781019
it was destroyed by equally bad systems.
>>509781713
It's not incoherent, but its mythology applied as policy.

cont
>>509781793
that's true in all systems
>>509781876
this
/thread
>>509782845
the best ideology is the one that's true.
>>509784149
>human nature is antisocial hostility to your own kind
Wrong and evil

cont

>>509784925
>The entire "ideology" is racist ramblings and pseudoscientific nonsence
pseudoscience, not really racist.
The ideology was based on "aryan" hereditary spirit rather than biology. The national socialists considered their slavic neighbors subhuman while Iranians were honorary aryans.
Race is a biological fact, aryanism is mysticism.
>only the biggest retards take it seriously nowdays
Genuine national socialists are ironically very intelligent, because their mystic ideology depends on a complex imagined world.
>>509786560
>3. It eats itself without an enemy to unite against
We can't know this because the ideology never existed in peacetime.

>>509792506
> germans being amongst the worst soldiers by k:d in ww2?

allies themselfs list a number of 373.600 for Germany and Italy combined
they themselfs list a number of more than 200k US losses

the british army alone lost another 121.484, their Air Force another 66.000 (though this does include previous years, like the Battle of France where the Brits suffered about 11.000 deaths))
the canadians also lost more than 40.000

so it's 373.600 vs probably about 400.000
and we haven't even counted the french

>>509790829
You can't have nationalism without socialism. Capitalism is incompatible with it.

>>509793012
> the ai is correct
OH NO NO NO

please do not tell me this statistic of yours was made by AI?

>>509792458
this undersells how revolutionary it was
in our system inflation benefits the holders of hard assets and debt
anybody distant from the source of debt and money creation is being robbed by monetary expansion creating perverse incentive structures for the ruling elite to expand the money supply
the top down centralized money creation operates as a regressive tax on property (the poorer the more you pay) thus it concentrates resources and consolidates them extremely

a bottom up distributed money inception inverts this dynamic creating a trickle up mechanism

>>509793708
like fr here

you can not trust AI with such stuff
tried it myself a couple months ago while aruging about the impact of naval mines and it constantly was listing certain boats that were sunk by accidents as "mine kills" (even when using the high quality models)

>>509793708
yes, i have said it at least a dozen times, why would you think overwise. its 100% accurate and even used the same source you did

>>509793797
now americans still benefit from this (or did) as they are the closest to the global currency supply
but the power and asset consolidation and the power of capital over labor is rising so fast and so extreme that the equilibrium of a mutual beneficial relation is slowly being broken even in the US proper

>>509779880 (OP)
I despise government in all forms

>>509793973
> used the same source you did
literally meaningless
it might use the same source but oviously it still lumps all sorts of values together and treats them as equal

look at
>>509792566
and picrel

notice how the 5.3 includes gulag deaths and the 6.3 for the Soviets does not include MIA or Concentration camp deaths?

go ahead and point this out to your AI
and watch how it will admit that its values are all wrong

>>509794159
do you hate your dad?

>>509787363
socialism only makes sense if it is based on the principle of in-group preference.
>>509790246
National socialism and marxism were diametrically opposed to each other. National socialism is mystic national romanticism, marxism is materialist economic globalism.

>>509792822
The individual is an anomaly of the liberal system that caused this mess and is currently imploding.
As for creativity, the Chinese are currently outperforming the West in technological advancement, so I don't think authoritarianism is antithetical to creativity.

>>509779880 (OP)
National Socialism is fueled with eternal foreverwars.

>>509779880 (OP)
>Give me a reasonable critique of National Socialism
You are just one more -ism created by the Jews to impose central banking on the world.

>>509779975
Human rights are a social construct, cuck.

>>509779880 (OP)
100 million white people died, israel was created, hardly any jews died, it was all bullshit, if i loved my race to the point of wanting no mixture i wouldnt end up being the reason for the prior points, nazi larpers are on full on cope with this shit they sound like a bunch of niggers blaming everyone but their own ideology for the reason europe is now fucked

>>509795995
I disagree. The idea of the individual is older. The oldest known story ever written down is about the individual Gilgamesh. All the Greek heroes were individuals. Even villains like the hunchback that sold out the Greeks at Thermopylae. We have long known about and respected the power of a singular person's ability to make an impact.

And the Chinese are outcompeting us because we are too busy getting ass raped by the Jews.

>>509779880 (OP)
Terrible opsec, awful decision making, the ideology leading to undue arrogance. That and the fact it was probably controlled opposition the entire time, having been set up to usher in the jewish return to Israel. The initial funding was provided through freemasons, and Paul Warburg was providing funding for the Nazis while his brother was funding jews to return to Palestine to escape Hitler’s menace. Nothing suspicious there :)
https://time.com/archive/6820175/business-finance-death-of-warburg/#
>>509797367
There’s not enough proof of this to make this claim definitively

>>509797866
Forgot pic

>>509779880 (OP)
>Socialism
Right here.

>>509779880 (OP)
many good ideas
bad implementations
i'm not for forced sterilization of people
for a leader that said loving its people, he wasn't really forgiving for those that did mistakes and were brainwashed, putting people that just fell in love in either in jail or castration or worse, that wasn't good at all

>>509779880 (OP)
The people who run this policy must be the people of the land…blood and soil …fuck foreigners and fuck elites with no loyalty to the nation, land, and working classes/farmers

>>509779880 (OP)
You need a homogeneous society, with an elite willing to be self-sacrificing (jew/anglo free) for it to work and that's never going happen.

>>509779880 (OP)
they weren't actually socialist. hitler's government privatized assets that were once state-owned, allowing his personal friends to loot the public treasury and driving germany's economy further into the toilet. any real socialist would have nationalized more assets, not spun off national companies into private hands.

>>509791482
you realize all your jewish ancestors got raped by jacked german soldiers right?

rebel against the idf theres a lit of German in you just like there were a lot of Germans in your grandmother

>>509794305
he intentionally derailing the thread. hes going on about shit unrelated to the entire purpose of the forum.

dont fall for kikery.

>>509779880 (OP)
Plebian mass manipulation through the cult of a mere naturalistic interpretation of race by a revolutionary tribune of "the people". What more is to say? It's a cult of the mother earth that destroyed the aristocratic tradition of a noble people.

>>509779880 (OP)
I don't understand why anyone would go for Nazism instead of White Nationalism or even White Supremacy. I don't know much about it. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

>>509802389
National Socialism recognizes White Nationalism isn't possible without first solving the Jewish Problem. Nobody with a working brain wants the headache inherent in ruling over browns with White Supremacy.

>>509802944
So it's just WN with antisemitism. Okay.
I don't agree with White supremacy at all. The 14 words are basically my entire philosophy, not subjugation or anything like that. This requires a White ethnostate.
But I'm not convinced about the Jews. In any case, they have no power if we stick to our own, so does it really even matter?
Jews have power because we gave it to them. That much is a very easy fix.

>>509780960
>wedding rings
They're brass bushings lol.

>>509793511
>The national socialists considered their slavic neighbors subhuman
Brainwashed kike retard who has never read any 3rd Reich racial policy.

>>509799647
that kike has been on here all day posting his AI trash "stats"

>>509804415
Now let me stop you right there....
If the south had won the civil war we'd have ann Frank pregnant and barefoot forgetting all about that book of regrets.

>>509780085
>i spirit would rise from the grave and people would know i was right
>but sour is not rear
natsocs are spiritual and chink fear god. Chink are jewish at the roots and so is everything that comes from it

>>509779923
Lmao I remember posting these numbers in one of my cucked High school World History classes, and got an F for it when I said Americans basically went in, fucked shit up and split with under 120k military casualties resulting in death. It's like he couldn't fathom that Americans during WW2 showed up last minute while the biggest wartime casualties were in Asia.

After that I realized that the school system was broken when someone so stupid couldn't look online for such easy to access info.

>>509779880 (OP)
jews only need to compromise one man

>>509779923
>80million casualties
>5million germans dead
That's almost a KDR of 16:1, so based on your logic, they were the best army of all time

>>509779880 (OP)
there are two great critiques that I think are worthy; their complete failure to tame or properly fulfill the desirable goals of the left Strasser-Rohm-Feder wing outside Hitler making a true believer out of Goebbels, and their simultaneous complete failure to avoid being coopted or cancerously infested by the reactionary conservatives that shot the NSDAP to pieces in the Beer Hall Putsch, plotted the Oster Conspiracy and launched Operation Valkyrie all while actively sabotaging the war effort the entire time; passively through stubborn old fogey mindsets in the general staff and actively through mutineering against Hitler's directives & all manner of logistical sabotage ala those referenced in David Irving's works that were intended- much like the Allies' carpet bombing- to lay the ground for a general rebellion and popular coup that would put junta-minded faggots and monarchists back into power, instead only counterproductively losing the war while only making the German people rally harder around Hitler

>>509779880 (OP)
>Give me a reasonable critique of
National Socialism, without "MUH HOLOCAUST, MUH WHITE SUPREMACY, MUH GENOCIDE"

Hitler, Zelensky, and Netanyahu are shylocks. And only shylocks would want to create an ethno shylocks state that claims shylocks are da chosen. Shylocks are worse than monkeys because monkeys don't sodomize eachother with sticks.

Shylocks like to wear stripper boots and masks and use war as a justification to have gay sex.

Judgement already happened. Humans are too devolved to perceive time properly. Humans think stars exist when the stars they see in the sky are dead. Homo sapiens and humanoids aren't evolved enough to see time as time occurs. Meaning humanoids are never seeing the "live stream" but rather a re run.

The purpose of this "tribulation" is to give the shylocks what they want: enslavement to what they call the devil in a mass humiliation ritual.

Trump is going to put the shylocks in camps just like Hitler, citing national security and stripping shylocks of citizenship for lying about their nationality when they mass migrated to America after WW2. All their descendants will have their citizenship stripped and, just like in the 1930s, the shylocks will be relocated to refugee camps. The shylocks are so angry that Trump used the word shylock because they know Trump is going to Stalin Great Purge them. But the shylocks can't kill Trump because only Jesus can kill the Antichrist.

And the only strategy shylocks every have is to kill their enemy. So the present is a humiliation ritual because the shylocks can't assassinate their new slave master and the shylocks declared Trump their Messiah.

God lets the Antichrist put on a show to humiliate the shylocks and to encourage repentance.

Trump will be worse for the shylocks than Stalin and Hitler combined.

>>509780057
ez 4 ence

>>509780887
A retarded take. "You should never love your family, because you'll be sad when they die, it's better to be raised by dogs in the streets!". Rome had many fantastic emperors, things didn't automatically go to shit when one of them died the 5 good emperors was a thing, if you prepare good successors then there is no reason for things to go to shit. "Cult of personality" is also a jewish coined term, it's always used against anyone the jews don't like, meanwhile if it's someone jews like they're just a "popular democratic leader". Same thing as the fact there doesn't exist the slightest praxis difference between a demagogue/populist and a popular democratic candidate, it's all about what the jews thing, no objective difference exists.

>>509807740
(((shylocks)))

>>509779880 (OP)
All the occult symbolism gives me a bad vibe.

>>509779880 (OP)
>national socialism

No matter what the flavor, disgusting statism is disgusting statism.

>>509779880 (OP)
Money should not be taken away from hard working men and then given to literal lazy fuck parasites.

>>509780431
While we are on the subject let's subtract all the deaths caused by American terror bombing.

>Hurr terror bombing

Yes terror bombing is the name the allies used for their bombing raids on civilians.

>>509779880 (OP)
THERE IS NOTHING TO CRITICIZE, IT IS THE PERFECT SYSTEM!

https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=572791

you cant its impossible. every leftist knows this they are just delulu.