Thread 509790939

Why didn't Ireland make any attempt to revive the Irish language after they got independence? The majority of Irish people kept speaking Irish even through hundreds of years of the english banning and suppressing the language and murdering people for speaking it.

They didn't though. Almost no one in Ireland speaks it anymore.

>>509791021
reread what I said retard

Ireland is for the Africans

tir na n-og

They did. After the Irish civil war 1922 -1923 they declared Gaelic the national language along side english. It didn't catch on since the populace considered the language 'backwards' or 'old fashioned' and associated it with the poor and impoverished. Back when I was learning this in school it was considered gutteral and low brow. The type of language the John-Joes used out in the fields.

>>509790939 (OP)
What would this achieve or benefit

>>509791093
Tír na n-Óg... completely different pronunciation

>>509790939 (OP)
All the radical nationalists either got executed or died in civil war. The leaders that remained had no vision, and many city people seen their own language as "backward". All the pro Irish-speaking people were rural folk. The Irish government gave a half hearted attempt at preserving and expanding the Gaeltachtaí and they've just been left to rot essentially. It's a miricle those regions are still Irish speaking today

>>509793960
But there is a very organic rise in respect for the Irish language today. It went from being a well respected national language, to a language of the impoverished and the simple, to a language of the educated and cultured. Most people wish they could speak Irish but they can't because it is an educational problem. The respect and desire to learn is there, but it is no easy feat to teach an entire nation a language. It was done in Israel out of necessity and effective policy. That is the only way it can ever be done

Areas that still speak Irish as of 2022. The three tiny things beside Ireland are three irish speaking islands called the Aran Islands.

>>509790939 (OP)
€billions is spent on it.
It's officially a mandatory subject in primary and secondary school (although that has been quietly dropped because niggers).
Problem is that Irish teachers are absolute cunts. Never heard of a single one who wasn't. No idea why.

>>509796644
They don't teach it like a normal language, it's 90% reading with barely any oral language learning and kids leave school barely able to speak it, meanwhile kids in Wales learning Welsh are all able to speak Welsh.

>>509792885
Language defines the framework of complex thought
It's the core of cultural identity

>>509790939 (OP)
because they’re not actually proud of being irish, they’re just show off twats that will celebrate any W that looks good, even if it burns their nation down. hence why the ira are importing immigrants

>>509790939 (OP)
why is irish spelled the way it is now??
all the people complain about english spelling, meanwhile irish spelling is really a hidden gem

>>509794410
you’re thinking of welsh, nobody like irish speakers or irish accented english speakers. me especially

>>509797047
>Indian insulting anyone

Lmao. Go back to shitting on the streets and assaulting white female tourists.

>>509796848
>the irish language defines the framework of complex thought
he says in english lmfao. irish is shit and will always be shit, the people of ireland are shit, scum, bastards.

welsh spelling = quirky but elegant
irish spelling = puzzling ??

>>509797155

>memeflag doesnt realise vpns exist
this better?

>>509792820
in 1922 they outlawed entire families because of michael collins signing the worst document possible with being under the thumb because of his sexual proclivities.
England won ireland became a vassal and half of the men who fought were made pariahs by the man who was in charge of them.
Irelands deathknell was all the old feining rathmine families being expelled from the country.

>>509797110
When I say "most people" I am talking only of Irish people in Ireland. No one cares what some streetshiting monkey thinks. Your opinion is worth less than a dog's

>>509797728
funny, ive just arrived in ireland, get a grip.>>509797654

>>509794410
my grandfather was a native irish speaker and he used to say modern revival irish is nothing like the tounge is supposed to be because it treats "BH -vee" as a silent letter because its too hard for people to roll their tounges.

>>509797771
>look saar i use VPN look i'm in Ireland now!

>>509798068
im not an indian streetshitter. but you’re an irish scumbag.

>>509797994
Yeah there are a lot of people who never learn it properly and can't do sounds that only Irish has. But again, that's an education problem. I imagine it would be corrected in time if a revival actually happened
>"BH -vee" as a silent letter
It depends on the dialects and the context. He was probably hearing standardised Irish and it had different rules

>>509799409
he came to Australia after being outlawed for serving in the Mid-Clare Brigade i don't know your regions but is that a different dialect area?

>>509797074
irish spelling just looks weird at first, it's actually extremely regular and describes how each word is pronounced, rather than requiring pure memorization like modern english. takes about a day to learn if you're not a retard

>>509797658
>implying anti-treaty weren't trying to get all of the men who fought killed instead of just half

>>509800493
More people have died in Ireland from suicide in the last 3 years than the entirety of men who died for independence...
Every fein who fought did so for a reason and the treaty was only signed because michael collins was blackmailed because he was a sexual deviate.

>>509801183
What kind of sexual deviant was he and what proof is there?

have you considered making this thread when the irish are awake you fucking retard?

>>509801299
He was blackmailed for fucking the married Hazel Laverry ,he was played by the british intelligence and he danced and jigged along all the way to the end all he sign ireland into is being a econimical vassal of England aka a return to status que..

>>509799848
Munster dialect. There are 3 main dialects as i'm sure you know. Munster, Connacht and Ulster. And within each dialect, there's regional ones. Which would be more similar and fall under one of the main three. They all have different exceptions and rules. Then you have the standard dialect which is just a mishmash of the three, and it's often taught especially over the internet. I've never heard of bh just outright being silent, maybe in just certain exceptions. In Ulster Irish we have the general rule that bh is pronounced as w when broad and v when slender. But in Munster they don't follow that so much, it's usually a V regardless, but I think if it's placed in the middle of a word it can be W but idk, i'm not that familiar. BUT in connacht dialects they do have silent bh's sometimes which is why I think it is standard Irish he was hearing

can't be arsed

>>509800412
>straighforward
>aighea - aye
>eamhai - oh