Do they not realize that they just look like retarded teenage cringelords?

Leftists are revolutionaries yes. As rightists you represent the status quo and rightwing political establishment of the west, no matter how much you try to portray yourselves as "the opposition".

>>509796936 (OP)
Because they have their heads so far up their asses, they forgot what counter culture means.

>>509797015
>As rightists you represent the natural order of the universe
ftfy

>>509797015
The status quo of the west has not been "right-wing" since George Bush. That was before you were born zoomer antifa incel. Leftists only hate traditional gender roles anyways because they can't compete with normal masculine men in the natural biological system. pic rel is your average leftist male cretin.

leftists have done more in the last 2 years to make jews kvetch than the right has in 200 years

>>509797370
that doesn't make jews kvetch. that makes zionist jews kvetch. all jews are jews, but the jews in the west mostly want to stay in the west and ruin it. they don't care about israel. you're dumb as fuck anyways for not knowing that most anti-israel protests are coordinated by leftist secular jews. those are the jews that are the most toxic to the west.

>>509797763
whatever. the right has proved to be completely impotent and not even capable of criticizing israel

>>509797879
criticizing israel is llukewarm as fuck. the definition of impotent. criticize jews then get back to me you bluepilled faggot.

>>509797264
No.

>>509796936 (OP)
>Why do leftists think they are revolutionaries and guerilla fighters?
because instead of shitposting on the internet like rightoids, leftists kill their enemies

>>509799044
> t.

>>509796936 (OP)
>lets put a SMILE on that face

>>509797148
These are all your capitalists. Your capitalist companies. So IDK what your point of posting this would be even. These are the logos of the people you rightists represent LMFAO. Dumb post.

>>509799271
>>509797148
>These are all your capitalists. Your capitalist companies. So IDK what your point of posting this would be even. These are the logos of the people you rightists represent LMFAO. Dumb post.
PS they fund LGBT identity politics to bait morons into voting for republicans. Its all to turn more people into your fascism.

>>509799271
have you gone outside in the last decade?

>>509799044
Wow so all the bankers on wall street were defeated and Palestine was freed thank God

>>509799387
fascism doesn't let Jews have companies like that with that much scope. COPE. you have never seen nor experienced actual fascism.

>>509796936 (OP)
Let's see how you look

>>509799271
>These are all your capitalist companies.
That you support blindly because they acted like you mattered for a moment and you did.
You were a customer.

>>509799435
Yup. Yup I have. Why do you ignore my post?
>>509799502
Yeah its not "jews" doing it. It's you. You use jews as your ethnic scapegoats to blame for all of your own crimes and to protect billionaires from socialism.

>>509799730
Huh? No these are the companies you support. You're the rightists. You're the ones who support privateering and capitalism. And its all done to keep people voting for you and your republicans.

>>509797945
>blah blah

you have done neither. greta has more balls than you

>>509799387
>Uhm no this isn't muh fault, it was ackshulyl a trick to get people to vote for republicans
And I'm sure you told yourself this when you bought some shitty tranny flag on amazon prime and you were super rebellious when you did it too.

>>509799782
I buy food. Not gender confirmations faggot.

>>509799787
Greta is on Jewish payroll with Jewish handlers just like you Antifa types. lmao

>>509799895
>>509799845
Who are you even talking to. Anyway these are your companies and youre the ones who support them. And what they do with funding of identity politics they do to support you.

>>509797370
>rightests to jews: lose some and win some
>leftists to jews: win some and lose some
its all literally just a game but i think with leftists they win more than they lose; a bunch of pussies protesting for palestine really doesnt put a dent in achieving their overall goal

>>509797370
In the last 200 years? I think you're forgetting something they kvetch about all the time and have an ever growing number of survivors from.

>>509796936 (OP)
Not growing up is literally the cringiest thing you can do. When I see people my age dressing the way they did in highschool I immediately disregard every opinion they have as I know they haven't grown since then. I'm 53 and glazing zoomers is sus fr

>>509797015
no human sitting in front of his computer typing on a keyboard is in any capacity a "revolutionary". believing in spooks doesn't make you "revolutionary" either. just makes you a retarded faggot with delusions of grandeur and utopian ideals.

>>509800321
Well I dont know that I agree with that either but its also unrelated to what I said. I never mentioned anything about keyboards. I disagree with you though since I know information flow on the internet is very important in the world of politics.

>>509800202
>national socialists
>SOCIALISTS

>>509797264
this sounds an awful lot like "the nazis were actually socialists"

>>509800431
it's all nonsense. you are a faggot thinking you are fighting for something real. idealism is for faggots. any successful "revolution" will be met with a new wave of reactionaries and revolutionaries with a new batch of retarded spooks they are willing to both die and kill others for.

Because leftists hate jobs

>>509799730
sophie labelle is a pedophile. "she" traced over photos of other people's infant children in order to produce furry diaper porn. when caught red handed, "she" stormed off to facebook and complained indignantly that people had a problem with that.

>>509800592
Rightwingers shilling their propaganda to demoralize people on full display right here.

>>509800977
>>509800592
>Rightwingers shilling their propaganda to demoralize people on full display right here.
PS also do you people read your own comments? IDK why I even bother responding to stuff that sounds so inebriated. I feel a responsibility to because I am the only leftist on this board.

>>509797879
if we are being real the reactionaries beat you to the punch on this one. i remember last decade having people think i was far right for being critical of israel, seriously people forget about this, back then if you said the government was "controlled by zionists" you would universally be viewed as a reactionary conspiracy theorist type. you are deluding yourself to defend a fucking direction.

That’s what they always tell the useful idiots.

>>509801050
you tout being a "leftist" like a medal of honor. you are a directionbrained faggot who believes one must either view your cause (that being the new-left, which was largely a product of MKULTRA anyways.) as inherently noble and rebellious otherwise they are a reactionary.

>>509801172
Yup, "directionbrain" yup, left and right, that thing everyone knows about and recognizes. And you are the far right, and right now you're trying to use an Orwellian tactic right out of 1984, known as "newspeak" to rewrite the english language and absolve it of political words so that people cant discuss politics anymore.

>>509799996
"other side are the elites" culture war nonsense. the elites are not ideological types they are pragmatists concerned with maintaining power. ideological types do not make it where the stakes are high. this is why revolutions are not led by actual idealists. this is the leftist equivalent of "cultural marxism" claims, etc.

>>509801381
Huh? I don't even know what youre saying dude. The rich capitalists are your people. Thats all you and your political view. They finance identity politics to keep people voting for progressively further right republicans.

>>509801477
>>509801381
>Huh? I don't even know what youre saying dude. The rich capitalists are your people. Thats all you and your political view. They finance identity politics to keep people voting for progressively further right republicans.
PS yes they're ideological. They're capitalists. So they support capitalism. Fascism is when people use identity politics to protect capitalism.

>>509801555
>>509801477
But to be fair I really don't know WTF youre saying in this comment anyhow >>509801381 so IDK even how to respond to it. And thats why Im writing 3 comments in response to it. Doing my best here but how am I supposed to respond to something that empty and devoid of substance.

>>509801555
"fascism is when people use identity politics to protect capitalism" oh its you again. you ran from me on the other thread. this definition of fascism is itself newspeak. speaking of, you do not understand "newspeak". to say two abstract categories are indeed abstract is not newspeak. its the truth.

>>509796936 (OP)
As Ted so insightfully realized - these two are entirely symbiotic

>>509797015
But you agree with every mainstream opinion. Hitler bad. Racism bad. Russia bad. Iran bad. Fags good.

>>509801774
you are filtered. i am saying that elites do not think in terms of "left" or "right" or any idealism like you do. you say this is not true because they protect capitalism, yet they do not do this for idealistic reasons they do this pragmatically. thus your point is nonsense. you genuinely believe elites care about "left" and "right" (which are not actual idealist systems anyways but rather arbitrary terms elites assign to ideas that are for whatever reason useful to pit against eachother)

>>509801922
Yup they all think in terms of "right or left". Because you are the far right and you are the ones that support them. That support capitalism. That support the private ownership of the means of production yup

>>509801984
i do not support capitalism as i do not believe in private property (it is not real because it can be violated) stop fighting with ghosts. although this may be hard because all you believe in are ghosts.

>>509802045
Yup you support capitalism and believe in private property. Yup. You can spare everyone the nazi shapeshifting. The nazi shapeshifting is not important to anyone.

>>509802123
this is such cope. you literally need to imagine i am your boogeyman. pathetic. this is what happens when you spend all day fighting with ghosts and lose touch with yourself.

>>509801898
I don't think that you know anything about Russia or Iran. If you did, you would not support them as rightwingers. Russia and Iran are my people as a leftist. Not yours as a rightist and if you hold some level of confusion indoctrinated into you by the American MSM then it doesn't absolve you. Or change anything.

>>509802194
Uh huh OK thats nice. Anyway its all just nazis shapeshifting. Nazis endless shapeshifting.

anyone who criticizes "israel" or "zionism" without being ironic is either stupid, or usually too pussy to outright name jews. the problem is jews. "israel" or "zionism" is redundant when you mention the actual problem. I think most leftists are actually stupid in this case considering they hate "Nazis." they probably aren't just using zionism or israel as cover words for jews.they will get a jew cancelled and replace them with a woke jew. what a successful revolutionary you are.

>>509796936 (OP)
lefitism is a serious mental illness

>impotent protest
Except for all those things that now are a thing because of people protesting I guess.

>>509797015
We are the opposition against your revolutions against health, happiness, and humanity

>>509802232
"russia and iran are leftist" i seriously have no clue what your definition of "leftist" even is at this point. do you seriously just define leftist as that which is opposed to the american/western financial class? to the point you will try to rope in governments that could be more properly seen as "right wing" simply to defend your thesis ("i am the rebellion, i am the avatar of proletariat the elites hate me you are all serving da sytum!!")
>>509802302
meds and sproke

>>509802232
But you’re in agreement with the system about Hitler, racism, and fags?

>>509802485
WHO CAN "OPPOSE THE SYSTEM" HARDER?????? FIND OUT TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!

interestingly enough, you both agree with the system on the age of consent. whos the true revolutionary here?

>>509802408
the protests came after they were already established though. the PROtests were simply reactions to astroturfed shit that retarded leftists fell for. thus proving to those in control that their propaganda and social conditioning works.

>>509802408
name one

>>509802452
You do not know anything about geopolitics. Or anything in politics outside of American MSM and big tech propaganda, is my guess.
>>509802485
Yeah Hitler and racism are bad and a person's sexuality doesn't matter yup

>>509802446
>health, happiness, and humanity
No. These are NOT the things you stand for on 4chan.

>>509802452
Xe/Xim is clearly retarded if it thinks the theocratic, antisemitic Persians are remotely left wing. He would get thrown off a roof there for being so gay.

>>509802694
So you are not a revolutionary. You agree with the system

>>509802694
assume i am stupider than you when you could not even properly apply a concept that is understood ubiquitously from a book everyone has read? also the implication here is that you define left v right as being related to geopolitics more than all else. the social or economic policies of iran or russia do not matter insomuch as they oppose the west. thus the right is the western democracy, left is anything that opposes it. this is literally "newspeak" (your definition of "newspeak", i.e. "changing the definition of something to fit ones narrative" when in reality it is a simplification language to control ideas.)

>>509802850
Iran is geopolitical allies with Russia (ideologically communist) and China (a 1 party communist state). You guys on this board are always willfully repeating the American GWoT propaganda about everyone in the middle east being some frothing far right Islamic nationalist. The reality is that the USA is opposed to secular socialists in the middle east known as "ba'athists" and has been funding or otherwise militarily supporting Islamic nationalists for the past 25 years to overthrow them. And to replace them.

This is reality outside of American propaganda. As rightists you represent the epitome of American propaganda.

>>509802931
The newspeak thing is all you and what you all try to do on this board each night, which is to rewrite political words in the english language to make them suit your whim.

>>509803053
>>509802931
>The newspeak thing is all you and what you all try to do on this board each night, which is to rewrite political words in the english language to make them suit your whim.
PS thats also what you're doing right there in that comment.

>>509803004
both china and russia are market economies.

i also did not imply all middle easterners are islamists. you are fighting ghosts again. i am very familiar with arab socialism and the situations of libya, iraq and syria. see how things could be easier if you did not assume things of others?

>>509803053
this is not what newspeak is in 1984. newspeak is to simplify language on a mass scale to limit peoples thoughts. idiot.
>>509803088
no. you are either retarded and did not understand the book or are making "newspeak" (your definition) out of the concept of newspeak. which is actually pretty hilarious.

>>509796936 (OP)
I at least see American leftists committing sabotage and rioting.
I see "conservatives" debating who sucks more Jewish cock, doing absolutely nothing or cheering as their nation gets sold to the Jews.

>>509803088
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
since you evidently did not actually read the book you can read a short wikipedia article and perhaps not embarrass yourself next time.

>>509799387
Please stop calling retardlicans fascists. It's very insensitive to my people.
t. Fascist

>>509803235
>both china and russia are market economies.
Yeah thats nice guy. See like I said you just don't know anything about politics or geopolitics and there's not much point in continuing a discussion with someone who buys into the obviously laughably false worldview that you have.
>this is not what newspeak is in 1984. newspeak is to simplify language on a mass scale to limit peoples thoughts. idiot.
My description of it is perfectly accurate. Yup cope and seethe man and tell me more about your laughable belief that Russia, China and Iran are "the rightwing" LMFAO

>>509803374
Anon youre on another level of nuts and you do not have even a basic ability to read

>>509802651
Niggers can sit next to you in public transport because some nigger sheboon where it shouldn't and then protested about it.

>>509803384
Yeah you're them and they're you. You're not any different than any other republican. Thats you. And the whole world is aware of your shapeshifting attempts to avoid associations with other labels to evade being held responsible.

>>509803431
>>509803374
>Anon youre on another level of nuts and you do not have even a basic ability to read
Anon PS tell me more about your genius-tier brilliant belief that Russia, China and Iran are "the rightwing" and imperialist capitalist Murica are the communists. Fucking LMFAO what parodies nazis are. Of themselves.

>>509796936 (OP)
Does anyone else here see through this shit yet?

>>509797015
All leftists are neoliberal creationists who hate White people. Which includes your hero Noam Chomsky who pushes the retarded conspiracy theory that the US controls Israel

>>509803387
china and russia are still market economies btw and not even remotely communist or marxist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_billionaires
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Chinese_billionaires
also your definition was not accurate at all. once again, you can read for yourself what orwell wrote in 1984 and what newspeak is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
>>509803431
you LARPed possibly the most entry level political texts on earth. you cannot seriously be accusing me of not reading.
>>509803551
btw you dont greentext your own posts faggot. stop that. and you dont send 5 disjointed statements either, you make it one coherent message. at least pretend to be literate. and i didnt say america are communists you faggot i said china, russia and iran are ALSO not communist. there is not and has never been a communist nation in modern history. an elementary understanding of marxist theory would make this blatantly obvious.
>>509803444
rosa parks was literally a plant.

>>509803568
Thats nice anon. Yes the US controls Israel. That's not "a retarded conspiracy theory pushed by Noam Chompsky" thats just a normal thing literally every person outside of your 4chan echochamber already knows. PIc related is an important declassified government document from 1945 which describes our intelligence agencies initial assessment that keeping that conflict alive would distract the middle east from communism.

>>509803689
*you LARPed having read possibly the most entry level political texts on earth. you cannot seriously be accusing me of not reading.

>>509803387
Your problem is you still buy into the left/right dichotomy from the French Revolution that was quickly outdated by the mid-19th century. You come here all the time and refuse to denounce mass immigration because you support the capitalist economy. You never advocate for revolution, you justify the status quo by saying mass immigration is capitalist (true) but you do nothing to stop it. You have been humiliated time and again here, but you'll still shit up threads every single day. Because you're a chomskyist, and therefore controlled opposition to justify capitalist policies.

>>509803689
>china and russia are still market economies btw and not even remotely communist or marxist.
Anon youre just a joke. China is a 1 party communist state and you clearly dont know a damn thing about Russian politics or their present relationship to communism.

>>509803744
>1945
Israel wasn't a country until 1948. Keep trying, capitalist bootlicker. Never mind the Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel.

>>509803803
Bro in this thread really believes "communist china is the rightwing and America is the leftwing" FFS with you people.

>>509803756
yup. you can always spot him by his idiosyncratic definition of fascism. he actually once spammed that one definition over 15 times instead of providing actual responses to anyone. funniest sperg out to date. armchair political theorist who evidently hasnt even read marx.

>>509803803
>and you clearly dont know a damn thing about Russian politics
Russia throws nationalists in jail while giving money to 3rd worldists and churkas who kidnap and torture decent Russians.

>>509803810
Yup thats fully irrelevant to anything I wrote about or posted yup

>>509803803
"communism is when party have 'communist' in the name"

"communist state" is an oxymoron. you literally have not read marx.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state

>>509796936 (OP)
>Why do leftists think they are revolutionaries and guerilla fighters?

LOW IQ and LOW T plus brainworms from toxoplasmosis cats.

>>509803859
He's a neoliberal creationist. He goes off the (((economic))) definition of right/left but would never say that Marine Le Pen is to the left of Macron despite Le Pen supporting an expansion of pensions and welfare. He's a complete slave

>>509803756
>Your problem is you still buy into the left/right dichotomy from the French Revolution that was quickly outdated by the mid-19th century.
Jesus Christ just stop with the Orwellian Newspeak shit.

>>509803937
Anon. You are a joke of a human. You believe communist China is not communist, and fascist America is communist. You're a joke. You are worth nothing in this life other than as an object to be pointed at and laughed at.

>>509803950
if only they still produced HAPPENING creators like this

>>509799996
What you wont accept is that everyone realized what an absolute shitmess you people are, and decided to distance themselves accordingly.
Turns out 3% of the population, half of which is exceptionally poor, and mentally ill cannot support consumer entertainment industries alone because straight people find you disgusting and don't want to purchase products with you in it.

>>509804044
>>509803937
>Anon. You are a joke of a human. You believe communist China is not communist, and fascist America is communist. You're a joke. You are worth nothing in this life other than as an object to be pointed at and laughed at.
PS funny how you say "youve never read marx" as you post that when Marx never said "the withering away of the state". It's not a Marx quote nor any inherent part of Marxism. The irony in you people anytime youre opening your stupid mouths is always so hilarious.

>>509803898
You would never come out and denounce the assassinations of anti-zionist figures in the US military and state department in the late 40s because you would call them fascists who point out the opportunity cost of supporting Israel over the myriad of Arab states who have far more value than Israel. Because they were fascist, for reasons. Despite Stalin supporting Israel at its founding then changing his stance not out of ideology, but because he realized the many jews in highest positions in the USSR would choose Israel before Russia.

I hope you're jewish, because if you're shilling your usual position it would be absolutely suicidal

>>509804153
I don't know what this shit means anon. Really so many of your comments are fully incoherent to the point of being unreadable.

>>509804044
i never said america is communist x2
>>509804165
marx consistently defined communism as being a condition that is stateless faggot. the withering away of the state is a core concept of orthodox marxist thought. you are aware "marxism" does not literally mean "marx wrote...", right?

>>509804244
>1pbtid
>"so many of your comments are fully incoherent and unreadable"
You're mentally ill, and should seek help.

>>509804198
Yeah dude theres nothing to say about your history lessons on 4chan other than that they are pseudohistorical. Full stop. The end. No further discussion to be had about them. There's no point of ever putting credence to your historical claims or statements.

>>509804044
China is not communist. They abandoned communism under Deng Xiaoping and embraced market economics under the purview of the state. That is not communist. There are billionaires in China, because their industries are privately owned. The government oligarchy signing off on that is not communism. The workers own nothing, they might benefit from some of those market reforms but they don't have collective ownership of these corporations

>>509803689
>rosa parks was literally a plant
Yeah ok, let's assume you are right.
Doesn't change the fact that people protested and now nigger can sit next to you.

Thanks for prefacing your post by showing that you are an autistic schizo retard that is going to throw schizo "LE PLANT" arguments to every example of protests working so that I can straight up avoid wasting more time, though.

>Leftists are revolutionaries yes. As rightists you represent the status quo and rightwing political establishment of the west, no matter how much you try to portray yourselves as "the opposition".

>>509804266
Hahahahahahahaahahahhahahahaha yeah dude you don't know anything about Marxism, just like you don't know anything about other politics. Or geopolitics. You're just some silly indocrinated /pol/girl.

Marx never wrote about communism being stateless LMFAO. Its not a quote attributed to him. "The withering away of the state". It's not a Marx quote. You're clueless and you're a joke and yeah your strong implication in this thread is that the USA is the leftwing country and that the communist eastern powers are right.

>>509804339
China is fully fascist. Like some kind of odd Socialist-Fascist combo. The state through the CCP either owns portions of, or outright owns all land, homes, patents and companies. When those Chinese billionaires die, their entire wealth is taken by the state. There is no inheritance in China.

>Anon. You are a joke of a human. You believe communist China is not communist, and fascist America is communist. You're a joke. You are worth nothing in this life other than as an object to be pointed at and laughed at.

>>509804319
Nothing I said was pseudohistory, it's what every country including the US, the USSR, and Israel teach. Except for the assassinations of anti-zionist figures in US governments, which you obviously support same as mass 3rd world immigration that only benefits capitalist masters. Hence, why you are a neoliberal creationist who hates White people. Your views are funded by corporate-backed university academics like Noam Chomsky. You are not a dissident, you are a slave to money

They are brainwashed buffoons and there is no such thing as “leftists” they are simpletons confirming within a permitted framework. Words like “the left” are just cope used by brainless prats.

>>509804412
Don't pick on it. We've got a live one, and it's very low IQ. Probably a tranny that took hormones as a kid and suffered brain damage because of it.

>>509804339
>China is not communist.
You're just a joke. You don't even know what "communism" means or is. None of you idiots on the right do. You're like anon who just posted a wikipedia article and said "Marxism means the withering away of the state" (something Marx never said). China's a 1 party communist state deal with it. Your fascist society lost. You lost to the left.

>Hahahahahahahaahahahhahahahaha yeah dude you don't know anything about Marxism, just like you don't know anything about other politics. Or geopolitics. You're just some silly indocrinated /pol/girl.
[fat ugly nigger spacing]
>Marx never wrote about communism being stateless LMFAO. Its not a quote attributed to him. "The withering away of the state". It's not a Marx quote. You're clueless and you're a joke and yeah your strong implication in this thread is that the USA is the leftwing country and that the communist eastern powers are right.

>>509804443
Hahahahaha you people are worth nothing but being laughed at. "Communist china is fascist and fascist America is communist!" - polacks.

Doing more than conservatives ever will

>>509804485
Yup your pseudohistory is pseudohistory yup

What does it say about me if I regularly wear smreeboks so older the stitching is separating, cutoff Walmart jogging pants, 10 yo old navy ts, uncombed hair (i am fastidious about showering and shaving however)?

>>509804538
Ad-hominems are the last resort of someone who lost the debate.

>>509799183
Oroboro with the barefoot archer build in today's build of Elden Ring.

>>509804573
>>509804485
>Yup your pseudohistory is pseudohistory yup
PS full stop anytime someone on 4chan, the site notorious for holocaust denial and claiming "nazis are socialists because its in the name" discusses history. The end. Its over. None of your historical claims become real no matter how many times you repeat them. You just become laughed at even more.

>>509804604
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha omg what a beatendown loser you are.

>>509797015
As a right winger yes, not as a nazi though

>>Yup your pseudohistory is pseudohistory yup
>PS full stop anytime someone on 4chan, the site notorious for holocaust denial and claiming "nazis are socialists because its in the name" discusses history. The end. Its over. None of your historical claims become real no matter how many times you repeat them. You just become laughed at even more.

>>509804509
>You don't even know what "communism" means or is.
Communism is the end state of a system where the means of production are owned by the people. China is not that. It is a system where the means of production are owned by individuals who receive the blessing of the hegemon. The state has not withered away in China, it is still very much there and making sure the private owners of industry follow the state's diktats.

>>509804620
>the site notorious for holocaust denial
So you are jewish. No communist actually gives a shit about the holocaust, but the fact that you bring it up is a tell to your jewish ancestry. Good to know, if the Chomsky worship wasn't enough for people.

>>509804652
You are literally jewish. You claim your ideology isn't jewish, but it's your entire raison d'etre. You're a racial supremacist who hates White people and uses economic theology to justify your genocidal ambitions that absolve Israel of all wrongdoing.

>>509804244
you are a retarded faggot. probably a leftypol reject who substitutes actually reading leftist political theory with haphazardly trying to debate people on /pol/ in hopes they dont understand leftism and you can win on experience. well it didnt work.
>>509804423
yes, the withering away of the state is a crucial part of marxist theory. did you read the first part of the article and see "the coin was termed by engels" and assume marx never wrote of the state withering?
>>509804354
the pieces were already in place, dude. the protests seriously did not have any effect. if you think the US government was foaming at the mouth at the idea of ending racial segregation in the 1960s i dont know what to tell you. ive honestly always been confused how they kept it so long, maybe they were just lazy. it seemed clear they were already thinking about getting rid of it by the 40s.

i've seen patriot front training videos. 7th graders could kick their asses. pro-palestine protestors beat back idf trained riot cops.

>>509804874
He's a jew. He already exposed himself. He supports jewish supremacy, which is why he makes excuses for Israel just like Noam Chomsky

LEFTIES ARE BASEDBOYS WHO DRINK ONIONS OHNONONONONONONO GEEEEEEEEEEG MY SIDES!

>>509804874
and, as i forgot to mention, marxism is not "the ideas of marx" but an ideology in which engels was also a foundational thinker.

>>509804930
Nigga left out his rank on purpose

>>509796936 (OP)
COPE
>and
LEFT

have the same number of letters

>>509804765
Yeah once more you either clearly have no idea what communism is or are outright lying about it [likely the ladder since I already noted how incorrect this shit is] but you people will always just keep repeating yourselves on this board because its what you do. Youre propagandists who dont believe a word of your own rhetoric. Your purpose here is to propagandize so whenever someone notes how what youre saying is wrong you just ignore the notes and then repeat your empty rhetoric.

>>509804509
"marxism means withering away of the state" (this is a malformed statement btw) it is a seminal aspect of orthodox marxist theory, as is communism being stateless. whether marx said it is irrelevant, marxism does not mean "the ideas of marx", you are thinking of the word marxian. marxian is the word used to describe the literal ideas of karl marx. marxism is an ideology that receives input from many thinkers.

>>509797015
Hey look, it’s the “that’s not REAL leftism” retard again.

>>509805188
Fucking Kek, I knew it from your first post. You worthless fucking cultist

>>509796936 (OP)
based rebel btfo the man.

>>509805188
you quite literally prove you do not know what communism is. communism is a theoretical condition that is achieved by the abolition of private property, state and money. marxism is an ideology that seeks to bring about this condition. even reading the manifesto would give you enough of an understanding to realize this. you are failing to understand communism at an elementary level.

>>509796936 (OP)
its because the left side on this image just goes on about how "thats not important i have bills to pay" and its their response to literally everything hats brought up to not get involved in anything

>>509804874
>the pieces were already in place
Yeah, and they were already in place because of some magical reason not because people protested against the idea of segregation before. The though just popped in the president and lawmaker's mind one day out of the blue.

Same with slavery, really. No one was protesting against it, it just ended one day. Lincoln woke up one day and just decided to get rid of it.

Faggots, trannies and all that diversity shit? Same thing. No one ever protested about it, it just happened one day, infused science or some shit.

>>509805530
the civil war wasnt caused by protests you fucking mong. neither were the state and media efforts to have blacks be viewed more positively during the 40s and 50s.

>>509805641
The civil war didn't decide to end slavery, the ones who won it did.
Why? Because people protested about it and when the winners had the power to, agreed with the protestors that slavery was bad.
God, you are so fucking retarded.

Notice how you didn't address the other two points, on top of it.

Here's another one, women suffrage.

Lefties lost.

>>509805790
what fucking protests caused the civil war? are you retarded?

as for faggots and trannies are you kidding me? this was literally a state and media psyop through and through. why were these things pushed for in media BEFORE they became popular or had any serious large scale advocacy (50s, 60s, etc.)? because of decadent bourgeoisie jews in hollywood.

womens suffrage was to put women in the work force to increase productivity. thats why they only really started to turn the gears when ww2 started.

>>509805933
>what fucking protests caused the civil war? are you retarded?
You can't even read. Figures.

>>509796936 (OP)
Why do miggers use words like "leftist?" Don't they realize they look like redditors??

>>509805790
and i do not want to hear about stonewall. these riots were NOT large enough to have forced the states hand in anything. there have been much larger protests that have achieved nothing

heres what you fail to understand: protests that are not astroturfed can do one thing at best; lead the state to hand you what it already considered acceptable to give you. the state ended segregation because before the protests even started it decided it did not care about segregation.
>>509805965
the civil war was not caused by protests. i read your post. you baselessly claimed it was. what fucking large scale abolitionist protest was it? i am asking for a real even that happened.

>>509806091
>you baselessly claimed it was
I never talked about the civil war to begin with, you suddenly started bringing it up when I mentioend slavery.
You are so fucking retarded it's actually baffling.

>>509806139
>The civil war didn't decide to end slavery, the ones who won it did. Why? Because people protested about it and when the winners had the power to, agreed with the protestors that slavery was bad.
retard

>>509806191
You are literally showing that I wasn't talking about the civil war, retard. I'm replying to YOUR comment about the civil war.
You are fucking retarded, stop wasting my time, you retarded schizo fuck.

>>509806139
and if you are talking about the european abolition of slavery these did not happen in democracies, they happened in absolute monarchies where astroturfing, manufactured consensus, etc. are not largely in play as the head of state actually has an obligation to listen to his citizens (as his job is for life) thus an irrelevant comparison anyways. i am not saying protests could never in any context work, only that in actuality they do not achieve anything in our present conditions.

>>509806265
you cannot simply deflect having made this statement simply because you were proven wrong on it. your original statement was ambiguous, it simply said "slavery". an assumption had to be made, thus i decided the american abolition movement as it felt most relevant to our topic (most recent and happened in a partial democracy instead of in an incomparable society) nice try i am not an idiot.

>>509805933
John Brown’s raid

>>509806427
this is not a protest.

>>509806396
>I made an assumption
Sounds like a you issue. If you need to cope by bringing completely random shit that no one is mentioning and then acting like it wasn't you that mentioned it that's on you.
As I said, you are retarded. You can barely hold a conversation even in a format in which you can literally go back and read everything that has been said. You are a schizo and a retard.

And for the record, the civil war (as literally all conflicts do) started over protests literally by definition.
>protest
>noun
>noun: protest; plural noun: protests
>/ˈprəʊtɛst/
>1. a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.

>>509804865
For me it's just the unhinged shizoid writing.

>>509806684
you were vague. "protests ended slavery" is not a definite statement. you are half to blame for this

this is one definition of protest. you know exactly what we have meant by "protest", it is not this definition.
>an organized public demonstration expressing strong objection to an official policy or course of action.
this is what we have been referring to.

0 actual substance in this message. give up.

>>509805188
You are literally a jewish supremacist. You don't care about ideology, only what is good for jews

>>509806874
>you were vague so I simply shifted the argument in a way that I felt fit
Yeah, nice cope, retard.
>an organized public demonstration expressing strong objection to an official policy or course of action.
this is what we have been referring to
>this is what we have been referring to
Correct, we have been referring to this. What have YOU been referring to though is a mystery.

>>509799730
>be netflix
>swap genders
>swap races
>add trannys to everything
>make series after series
>release a few specials for one of the biggest names in comedy for the last 30 years
>an of polycule whore still makes shitty web comics calling you a bigot
it's never enough, they still want more. give an inch, take a mile. and they are always dishonest about their goals.

>>509806874
And I didn't even say that protests ended slavery anyways but again you are just so painfully fucking retarded you think you can create some scenario in your mind about that supposedly happened in a written conversation that takes seconds to check is not true.
You are genuinely retarded, I tell you.

>>509796936 (OP)
These fags need to watch SLC Punk. I used to be a poser until I saw that movie and realized the whole movement is stupid. Grow up and get a job. It's just a phase.

>>509807228
what? then why would you give the other definition of protest which clearly is irrelevant here? by admitting it is this definition, and not yours, which we have been discussing, your point here
>And for the record, the civil war (as literally all conflicts do) started over protests literally by definition.
>*provides homograph*
thus becomes meaningless.

>>509807339
>And for the record, the civil war (as literally all conflicts do) started over protests literally by definition.

>>509807339
calling me retarded will not make up for the fact you have run out of substance and have resorted to distorting your own arguments.

>>509797264
This. Some feel so threatened by masculinity they pretend to be a woman to lose their fear of getting beat up for being a pansy low T faggot

>>509807412
>doesn't address anything important about the post and just tries to get a gotcha moment
Concession accepted.

Because
>an organized public demonstration expressing strong objection to an official policy or course of action
is by definition an action expressing disapproval of something.

You complete fucking MORON.

>>509807536
1. i addressed your points.

2. we were not discussing all expressions of disapproval themselves. we were discussing specifically the organized protest. thus relating these two is still irrelevant. if you think otherwise i may be able to understand this as you do not speak english as a first language.

>>509796936 (OP)
>Why do leftists think they are revolutionaries and guerilla fighters?
They just want to lash out because they feel cheated by God, their parents, society, their low attractiveness, never once considering they are being punished by all for what they will and would have done without restraint. Hatred is a form of spirit, and spirit bypasses the confines of time space. The biggest challenge for a leftist is to be humble and honest and live within their means and abilities and take responsibility for their station in life.

>>509807690
You didn't.
You are not discussing anything anymore because you've been proven wrong time and time again. Even your pathetic attempts at pilpuing and arguing semantics have been fruitless and have only made you look even more retarded than you are.

Your retardedness is off the charts.

>>509807536
you are using debatebro tactics then accusing me of attempting "gotchas". having a coherent and absolute understanding of the EXACT definition of "protest" we were operating under the SEMINAL here. not a minor error through making an assumption out of something vague. neither do all subsequent points become irrelevant because of this past assumption.

>>509807781
name which point i am failing to discuss. i believe you are accusing me of what you are guilty of.

>>509807784
>having a coherent and absolute understanding of the EXACT definition of "protest" we were operating under the SEMINAL here
I've proen you wrong using both definitions.

You are just moving the goalposts and foaming, it's funny.

>>509807809
>name which point i am failing to discuss
All of them.

>>509807823
no, you have not yet provided one instance of a protest (organized demonstration) being the primary cause for substantial change on our society.
as for the other definition, i seriously get how you fail to grasp this, it is IRRELEVANT. i have never claimed ALL DESCENT IS MEANINGLESS, as i would have had to in order for this definition to be relevant.

how exactly did i shift the goal posts? if you say i did it, you can explain how. do not neglect this!

>>509807858
name one, i feel i have addressed a couple.

>>509807858
this is a pretty bad message. if i were you this would be when i say "ha! you have conceded!" but i do not use such debatebro tactics. you can name one whenever you want and all will be fine.

>>509807926
>you have not yet provided one instance of a protest (organized demonstration) being the primary cause for substantial change on our society
Factually wrong.

>it is IRRELEVANT.
>now that you've been proven wrong at your pathetic little attempt at arguing semantics suddenly semantics are irrelevant
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>how exactly did i shift the goal posts?
Right now by avoiding discussing the original discussion. You are going to keep moving the goalposts about semantics, fishing for gotchas and just being generally retarded because you know you've been proven wrong numerous times so all you have left is beating around the bush while avoiding the original conversation.

>name one
All of them. Just go back and re-read. Seems like you've done that already a couple times when you pretended like the comment about thecivil war was originally mine.

>>509808152
>Factually wrong.
okay, then name one.

>now that you've been proven wrong at your pathetic little attempt at arguing semantics suddenly semantics are irrelevant
i do not think you understand what you are saying here. i did not say semantics are irrelevant, i said that one of the definitions used was irrelevant, because it was too broad to apply to our discussion. it is important to understand what we mean by "protest" when we discuss the importance of the protest. its pretty obvious what was meant by "protest".

>Right now by avoiding discussing the original discussion. You are going to keep moving the goalposts about semantics, fishing for gotchas and just being generally retarded because you know you've been proven wrong numerous times so all you have left is beating around the bush while avoiding the original conversation.
the original conversation is about whether protests (organized demonstrations) are primary driving factors in orchestrating social change. i have asked just now for an example in which this happened. i am sticking to the original topic.

>All of them. Just go back and re-read. Seems like you've done that already a couple times when you pretended like the comment about thecivil war was originally mine.
i did not pretend the comment about the civil war was originally yours. i recognized it was an unwise assumption i made, however this assumption did lead to you also making a claim about the civil war which i disagreed with and provided a counter point to. you are looking for a "gotcha" by hyperfixating on a minor error which does not actually undermine my thesis. i have not tried to undermine your thesis with any of your small errors like this.

>>509799730
Kek, faggots are fucking seething.

>>509808152
this discussion isnt about winning or losing, or who "concedes" btw. you can treat it like an actual discussion whenever you want. you lose nothing from doing so.

>>509808428
>okay, then name one.
All of them

>i said that one of the definitions used was irrelevant
which is in itself irrelevant because I already proven you wrong using both definitions

>the original conversation is about whether protests (organized demonstrations) are primary driving factors in orchestrating social change
Correct, and you are still not discussing this despite clearly knowing what the discussion is about.
>i have asked just now for an example in which this happened
And I told you numerous times. Just go back and check your replies to my posts from the start.
The point is that you are not discussing at all because you don't want to, which is why your only "argument" is throwing random schizo unproven statement about Rosa parks being a plant or whatever the fuck else.

>i did not pretend the comment about the civil war was originally yours
PFFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAA


I'll repeat myself
>You are going to keep moving the goalposts about semantics, fishing for gotchas and just being generally retarded because you know you've been proven wrong numerous times so all you have left is beating around the bush while avoiding the original conversation.

>>509808794
>says the individual not discussing anything
lmao

You need to calm down with the doubleposting, shows you are mindbroken.

>>509808864
>All of them
that's not very good.

>which is in itself irrelevant because I already proven you wrong using both definitions
i do not believe you did. and "proving me wrong" would only be relevant using one of these definitions, as it is the form of "protest" we were discussing. you can prove me wrong in the following message, im sure. you are quite intelligent.

>the original conversation is about whether protests (organized demonstrations) are primary driving factors in orchestrating social change
i have continued the discussion, ive asked for an example of a protest being the primary driving factor for social change in our society. you are reluctant to provide an actual example.
>And I told you numerous times. Just go back and check your replies to my posts from the start.
by now im certain you would have been able to have typed an actual response if you compounded the total word count of every message you've sent dodging this question. no excuse.
>i did not pretend the comment about the civil war was originally yours
still stands, provide quote.
>You are going to keep moving the goalposts about semantics, fishing for gotchas and just being generally retarded because you know you've been proven wrong numerous times so all you have left is beating around the bush while avoiding the original conversation.
i have illustrated here how i am sticking to the original topic. now you may find it advisable to do the same. once again, it is not good to be so confrontational. you should try to treat this discussion as a discussion. you have nothing to lose.

>>509808915
>literally a doublepost
absolute cinema

Jewish supremacist

>>509805404
Why don't you stop. I am a communist. I know what communism is. You are a nazi. Part of your political platform is to lie about communism to the public. Why don't you just stop.

>>509809098
>that's not very good
Not my problem. Pick and choose (You won't though, because you are wrong about all of them)

>i do not believe you did
That sucks for youbecause I believe I did and since the posts are out there, it's a fact you are wrong.

>i have continued the discussion
Yeah, we can tell by the fact that you are still not talking about it.

>by now im certain you would have been able to have typed an actual response if you compounded the total word count of every message you've sent dodging this question. no excuse.
by now im certain you would have been able to have typed an actual discussion if you compounded the total word count of every message you've sent not discussing. no excuse.

>still stands, provide quote
It doesn't you literally tried to pin the comment on me while it was you that bring it up.

>i have illustrated here how i am sticking to the original topic
Again, yes, we can tell by the fact that you still are not talking about the topic at all.

>literally a doublepost
Yeah, happens when I have to interact with a retard that takes 7 minutes to doublepost and does so right before I submit and the website refreshes.
Congratulation, you are such a retarded fuck that you becomes a IQ bvacuum to those interacting with you.

>>509809683
You are a jew who only cares about what is good for jews. Every time you come here I will call you out for the lying jew you are.

>>509796936 (OP)
People that have never been in a fight constantly think they're close to getting into a fight.

>>509797015
A mayor allowed you to occupy Settle and shot Black children there, you establishment approved terrorist.

>>509809683
you have displayed a profound lack of understanding of marxist theory at even a surface level. like i doubt you have even read the manifesto. although the "why don't you stop" makes this sound a tad disingenuous so perhaps i am on the receiving end of epic ween trollan. that is fine. i do not deny i have nothing better to do.

>>509799271
I had sex with your mom

>>509809816
>you have displayed a profound lack of understanding of marxist theory at even a surface level. like i doubt you have even read the manifesto.
He's a jew, he only uses communism to advance jewish zionist interests.

>>509803996
You are literally a chomskyite jew. You defend everything that advances jewish interests at the expense of White interests, regardless of if they are communist or capitalist.

>>509809723
>Not my problem. Pick and choose (You won't though, because you are wrong about all of them)
im serious, i am not here to gloat or make you out to be lesser than me. a discussion like this would not prove ones superiority over the other as it is so minute. you can seriously answer my question in good faith whenever you want.
>That sucks for youbecause I believe I did and since the posts are out there, it's a fact you are wrong.
once again you can provide an actual argument instead of rhetoric whenever you want. you will lose nothing. only i would stand to lose if you did, because you are so intelligent!
>Yeah, we can tell by the fact that you are still not talking about it.
i have been actually, i have been asking for you to provide several elaborations to several statements you have made multiple times now. i have read back and found no such material in any of your posts. suppose this is my error and not yours, would it not be your obligation to correct me? and so it is clear that in the nature of the discussion itself it is most fitting you provide actual examples.
>by now im certain you would have been able to have typed an actual discussion if you compounded the total word count of every message you've sent not discussing. no excuse.
i believe you have a tenuous grasp of how the word "discussion" is used, this is a malformed sentence. once again, your english is better than my spanish so i do not blame you.
>It doesn't you literally tried to pin the comment on me while it was you that bring it up.
then you certainly would be able to provide a quote of me saying such a thing, correct?
>Again, yes, we can tell by the fact that you still are not talking about the topic at all.
rhetorical
>Yeah, happens when I have to interact with a retard that takes 7 minutes to doublepost and does so right before I submit and the website refreshes. Congratulation, you are such a retarded fuck that you becomes a IQ bvacuum to those interacting with you.
lol

>>509809916
he is also likely a half-troll (begins ideologically charged but quickly abandons logic in favor of absurdity as a backup plan when things do not turn out well) he follows this formula in every thread ive seen him in.

>>509809816
Why don't you just stop pretending that your fake version of communism is the real one. And beliefs of every actual communists are somehow wrong or uninformed.

>>509810449
because my definition of communism is based on the marxist conception of communism. because this discussion involves the nature of marxism, it is important to understand communism through a marxist lens. you are using an idiosyncratic definition of communism which somehow includes the policies of the russian federation. the russian federation is neither socialist, nor marxist-leninist, and certainly not marxist-proper or communist.

>>509810244
He's just a jew who engages in pilpul when he supports mass immigration despite being a self-styled communist. Jewish communists support mass immigration without reservations, blaming capitalists while agreeing with capitalist immigration policy. It's a common tactic

>>509810449
You are a jew before you're a communist, which is why you also support capitalist immigration policy when it's good for jews. Drop the jelly act, jew.

>>509810148
>im serious
So am I. All of them, you can pick and choose. But you won't.
>once again you can provide an actual argument instead of rhetoric whenever you want
once again you can provide an actual argument instead of rhetoric whenever you want, all you have to do is scroll up and pick and choose, but you won't
>i have been actually
Except you haven't as your posts prove.
>it is clear that in the nature of the discussion itself it is most fitting you provide actual examples
I've already done that, again, scroll up and pick and choose. But, AGAIN, you won't.
>i believe you have a tenuous grasp of how the word "discussion" is used
No I don't. You already acknowledged what the discussion is about. Despite this, you are still not discussing about it at all, you are still making petty requests and moving the goalposts to precisely avoid discussing anything.
>then you certainly would be able to provide a quote of me saying such a thing, correct?
I'd be able to for sure, but I won't. You certainly would be able to scroll up and read, right? Just Ctrl-F the words Civil war and follow the chain of posts, should be easy.
>rhetorical
Your lack of discussion is not rhetorical. You just posted again while not discussing anything, for instance.
>lol
Notice how it hasn't happened again after you stopped doubleposting. Glad to see you stopped doubleposting by the way, mocking you for it seems like it worked.

>>509810588
Why don't you just stop repeating yourself and doubling down? "Ur definition of communism" has nothing to do with communists or communist countries or communist writings, lol. So have fun with it.

>>509810732
>>509810588
>Why don't you just stop repeating yourself and doubling down? "Ur definition of communism" has nothing to do with communists or communist countries or communist writings, lol. So have fun with it.
PS "My definition of communism which exists only in my rightwing head, and in the minds of my other rightwing frens, which we relentlessly tell the public about even though no communists share our views." Like have fun with that bro.

>>509810642
i scrolled up. i reread everything while you were taking (an admittedly long amount of time for such a small amount of text) i found the following relevant material:
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nothing. not one thing that fits the criteria. i have done your work for you. if you are not happy with this, you can try yourself to correct it. after all, if you want to prove me wrong, would you not want to correct me? you seem seriously obsessed with the idea of others "conceding" and this seems that this is in your own view what you are doing.

>>509810774
had no idea marx and engels were right wingers. provide your own definition of communism.

>>509810732
>>509810774
You never defined communism, because you only care about communism if it advances jewish interests. Even though leafbro and I gave you the actual definition, you claim it's not real despite every treatise on communism proving us right. Because you're a jew and only care about jewish interests.
I can't wait for the next thread you show your ugly kike nose in so I can beat you down once again

>>509810793
Well that's weird because you yourself replied to those posts before and discussed them before getting proven wrong so its' kind of weird how now suddenly those posts are no longer a thing. Curious, really. As if you were actively avoiding addressing them now that you are proven wrong so it's not in your best interest to talk about them.

as a matter of fact, this is getting boring. let's try this: a response to your original message. i could not be more on topic.
>>509803444
the push to make americans accept blacks in america long predates the rosa parks incident. public opinion on the matter was largely manufactured and THEN the legislation was passed once it was clear the efforts to astroturf the movement had worked.

>>509810869
What is this statement? What is it supposed to mean?
>>509810894
Defined it? Its just workers rights and class war. That's all "communism" means to communists.

>>509810984

>>509810984
>the push to make americans accept blacks in america long predates the rosa parks incident
Well well well, I thought you didn't find anything?

Where did that push to make americans accept black come from? Did people... PROTEST about it, which picked up steam and turned into ending segregation, perhaps?

>>509811026
>Defined it? Its just workers rights and class war. That's all "communism" means to communists.
You support mass 3rd world immigration and Israel. You are a jew using ideology as a cover for your jewish supremacist beliefs.

>>509811093
no. the world wars played a major part in it, as it did with women's rights too. the US needed more soldiers and it was important they cooperated. examples like the poster i provided above predate any serious substantial collective action against segregation.

>>509811093
95% of Americans were against miscegenation in 1959, years after Brown v Board of Education. So it would be a minority of Americans who were in favor of it. A small minority would only be able to push their twisted beliefs on the rest of country through state and corporate power. Which includes the jewish capitalists you and your fellow jew friend have ardently defended ITT

>>509811180
(i am refering to the poster in >>509811056 not the poster in this post itself. it is also worth noting putting women in the work force was also a major ww2 psyop to boost war time productivity.)

>>509811223
yup. he has been sperging out and using pure rhetoric for like an hour because he cannot face these facts.

>>509811117
Whatever dude America's openborders and Israel support are all you on the far right no matter how much you try to blame other people for it.

>>509811282
>>509811117
>Whatever dude America's openborders and Israel support are all you on the far right no matter how much you try to blame other people for it.
PS cuz communists are famous for supporting Israel amirite? LMFAO I mean do you even know anything about the geopolitics of that region?

>>509811026
this is essentially a reformist definition.

>>509811282
>>509811303
>Whatever dude America's openborders and Israel support are all you on the far right no matter how much you try to blame other people for it.
And you support them, because you are a jew. This has been established in every thread you have posted in on this board. You are incapable of saying that mass 3rd world immigration is bad for American workers because it conflicts with your jewish interests. We have established this many times over. Your endless pilpul and Israel support reinforce this.

>>509796936 (OP)
I wear a nice suit because it looks nice and is comfortable.

>>509811180
See? You don't want to discuss anything at all.
How do you expect me to even try when you are actually trying to argue that there wasn't a single protest against segregation at no point before WW2 LMAO
You are a dishonest fuck.

>Yeah bro believe me, NO ONE EVER IN THE HISTORY OF USA EVER protested against segregation, or slavery or in favor of women's vote before [random unproven statement about how the government without any previous societal input decided they wanted those things]
AHHAHAHAHAHAA

That's all I needed to read to know you have fuck all to discuss, retard. Thanks you because that's the exact type of comment I was looking to get out of you.

>>509811348
Hahahaha oh man you people always will double down. Communist countries dont have anything to do with "your definition" of communism. Communists don't believe in it. It has nothing to do with anything Karl Marx wrote. Its just random bullshit you invented off the top of your head.

But you always doubledown on it because you're just soulless horrific propagandists.

>>509811369
Israel and America's openborders situation are 100% your baby on the far right and it really doesnt matter how much you whine about it being otherwise.

>>509811223
>1959
What about before that year? What about 100 years before? You think no one protested against it back in confederate days? You are as fucking dense as that other retard.

>>509811409
the point of discussion is that protests do not drive change, not that they do not happen. the keyword is "SUBSTANTIAL collective action".
>of considerable importance, size, or worth.
provide another rebuttal this one has lost its function.

>>509811442
And you support them, because you are a jew. We have already established this, jew. You are incapable of denouncing mass 3rd world immigration because it supports jewish interests.

>>509811451
Yes I'm sure in 1958 that a majority of Americans supported miscegenation. More retarded jew pilpul

>>509811516
Why do you people just doubledown on everything you say no matter what.

>>509811451
you are now throwing the strawman on him? what the actual fuck? what could he have possibly said to have convinced you his argument is that protests never happened? and myeslf?

>>509796936 (OP)
They don't seem to understand their entire ideology was co-opted by capitalists to improve profitability.
They literally campaign for The Man.

>>509811514
>the point of discussion is that protests do not drive change
Yeah, so
>segregation exists
>people protest about it
>segregation gets abolished
Sounds like they work to me.
>b-but they wanted segregation gone already even without the protests
Yeah, how convenient. LOL

>>509811549
>>509811516
>Why do you people just doubledown on everything you say no matter what.
PS mass immigration in the west is required because of you. Not because of me or any of my leftist frens. You sell racism to the public to get them to vote for an economic system known as "capitalism" that fundamentally relies on mass immigration in order to keep itself afloat. You are con artists on this website. Con artists. Nothing other than con artists.

>>509811549
>>509811599
Why do you support mass 3rd world immigration and the state of Israel which was first recognized by the Soviet Union, jew? Is it because you don't actually care about ideology and only what's best for jews? Because everything you've said has been a celebration of jewish interests

>>509811624
Just repeat yourself 10 more times dude I'm sure that will accomplish something for you. What was it Goebbels said? "If you say a lie long enough it becomes truth"? Something along those lines?

America needs immigration and thats not my fault. Thats the fault of nazis.

>>509811592
you just confused correlation with causation.

you fail to realize that there were efforts by those in power to create consensus against segregation BEFORE substantial collective action (the one you speak about as driving the policy) would have happened.

your rebuttal has lost its function, another must be provided.

>>509811721
thus protest did not influence the state/media, the media/state influenced the protest to manufacture consensus in favour of a policy it favoured in the first place. this is astroturfing.

>>509811721
>no, trust me, NO ONE EVER PROTESTED AGAINST SEGREGATION before the government decided it was cool to get rid of it
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>509811592
>segregation exists
>people protest about it
>segregation gets abolished
incoherent train of logic. I already demonstrated that the vast majority of Americans were against desegregation, but you keep inputting the jewish train of thought that there were mass protests that never existed and they are responsible for desegregation. You have yet to demonstrate that these protests are responsible for the top-down desegregation policy that had to force citizens at gunpoint to accept niggers.

>>509811676
You are literally a shill for capitalism because it defends jewish interests. We have already established this. I've debated much smarter jews on here than you, at this point you're actually doing a disservice to your race with your weak pilpul.

>>509811721
>you just confused correlation with causation.
>you fail to realize that there were efforts by those in power to create consensus against segregation BEFORE substantial collective action
Also it's actually hilarious you don't see the massive irony in this LMAO

>>509811774
this point was already diffused, sorry. "SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION" means large scale demonstrations that are highly influential and known to the public. i never claimed there were no protests. this is your third violation of this basic principal, juan.

>>509811711
>America needs immigration
We already know you're jewish and opposed to the American worker, you don't have to tell us again.

>>509796936 (OP)

they are boomer methhead punks. They don't deserve no sympathy.

>>509811842
>no, you see, THERE WAS NO PROTEST AGAINST SEGREGATION EVER until the government decided it was cool to get rid of segregation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>509811895
He never said that, he said that whatever meager protests against segregation were not enough to change policy at the top. This is pathetic pilpul, you should be ashamed of your weak attempt, jew.

>>509799782
>You're the ones who support privateering
Correct, we plunder the Spaniards for his Royal Majesty

>>509811592
Do you think legislation reflects the will of the people?

>>509811866
You did it. Not me. Youre the ones that made it this way. Not leftists.

>>509811835
1. at best this argument places us as equals, you have failed to defend yourself.
2. however my argument is more nuanced and well reasoned. it can be well understood that media influences public decision, it is not merely drawing correlation-causation as there is an intermediate principle by which i draw this conclusion (i.e. that that which the state/media pushes will naturally be adopted by the population). if you wish to argue against this point, argue against this principle. if you wish to reinforce your point, make a better argument for the thesis that protests are a major influence on the state decisions. otherwise you are making a correlation-causation error.

>>509811895
the fake laughter is genuinely sad. im just bored and passing time. you are actually exhibiting a psychotic reaction.

>>509811964
>Youre the ones that made it this way.
The US economy does not need mass 3rd world immigration as long as there is unemployment beyond the natural rate of ~3%. You are a jew who supports mass 3rd world immigration because it supports your tribe's interests. You are passing off a common jew lie as a truism, which is why I'm calling you out.

>>509812045
Yes. Your economy relies on 3rd world mass immigration despite whatever pseudoecnomics you post on /pol/. You made it this way as far rightists. We did not make it this way as leftists.

>>509797015
>57 posts in this thread
mindbroken

>>509812103
Predictably empty seethe.

>>509811995
>my argument is more nuanced and well reasoned
You argument is that until the government decided that segregation was bad, there was no protests against segregation
>B-but MUH large scale demonstrations that are highly influential and known to the public
Rosa Parks was a single nigger and her shit is well known all over the world. You are actually coping and trying to turn the thing into yet another semantic problem to beat around the bush.
Literally all idea and actions start at some point at a small scale and then it snowballs.
You trying to pretend like the thought "segregation is bad" just happened on a massive scale overnight or happen just on the mind of lawmakers and politicians is absolutely hilarious which explains why I'm laughing at your pathetic argument.
This explains why you kept avoiding going back to the discussion for so long. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>509812093
>pseudoeconomics
You are treating your arguments as theology, which is a common jewish tactic. You tell a lie bereft of evidence over and over in an attempt to reframe the debate, which won't work on anybody who has debated jews like you. You support Israel and mass 3rd world immigration. You are literally a jew who is motivated by jewish interests. There is nothing more to say than a racial liar like you. I'll be sure to reference this thread next time you stick your hooked nose in another so everybody can see you for the dishonest kike you are.

>>509803744
israel has no constitution lol

>>509812191
>You argument is that until the government decided that segregation was bad, there was no protests against segregation
"SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION"
>Rosa Parks was a single nigger and her shit is well known all over the world. You are actually coping and trying to turn the thing into yet another semantic problem to beat around the bush.
thus this is a case of substantial collective action. she was also arranged to have been there beforehand by a group who had the power to spin it into a large protest. this all happened AFTER The state and media efforts began. thus you have served my point. 1-0
>Literally all idea and actions start at some point at a small scale and then it snowballs.
i'd argue that in democratic society it often begins from the top down, you see in these countries one must rule by controlling the percieved consensus (the actual consensus does not have to be directly changed so long as the consensus on what the consensus is is changed) and thus i would argue that it is more often ideas that take hold come from the top down. i feel i aswell as a few others have made some excellent points demonstrating this.
>You trying to pretend like the thought "segregation is bad" just happened on a massive scale overnight or happen just on the mind of lawmakers and politicians is absolutely hilarious which explains why I'm laughing at your pathetic argument.
irrelevant statement, i never said this. 2-0
>This explains why you kept avoiding going back to the discussion for so long. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
you did this. also the fake laughter is still pathetic. i know spain is quite poor today but there are better ways to vent.

>>509812256
Bro just repeat yourself 10 more times whilst ignoring everything everyone else is saying to you. Surely you are owning the libs. Lib's status right now = totally owned.

>>509812492
i once watched you send an identical statement 15 fucking times in one thread, often to responses where it was completely out of context.

>>509797264
pic rel: wererat

>>509812478
>"SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION"
Yes, I already pointed out that you are trying to turn this into a semantic problem like a slimy jew.
>this is a case of substantial collective action
>a single niggress
You can't even keep your shit straight.
>she was also arranged to have been there beforehand by a group
Schizo nonsense. Provide proof or this is massive cope that shouldnt' exist in an adult discussion.
>to spin it into a large protest
So, you admit, that a small indivudla protest can turn into a largue scale SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION. So what the actual fuck are you even arguing about at this point is beyond me.
>i'd argue that in democratic society it often begins from the top down
Oh, so we are back to the schizo "argument" that nothing ever gets a protest until the government decides that it's cool about it HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I pity you, for real.
>i never said this
That's quite literally the only interpretation possible to what you said.
>you did this
"NO U"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>509812191
lel

>>509796936 (OP)
Right wing people tend not to riot or start uprisings in general; keyword general.

>>509812709
>Yes, I already pointed out that you are trying to turn this into a semantic problem like a slimy jew.
requiring you to address what i actually said instead of creating a strawman is not semantic.
>a single niggress
see above
>Schizo nonsense. Provide proof or this is massive cope that shouldnt' exist in an adult discussion.
provided. 3-0
>So, you admit, that a small indivudla protest can turn into a largue scale SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION. So what the actual fuck are you even arguing about at this point is beyond me.
this was not a small scale protest nor did it begin from a small group. it began from a massive organization that was financed by jewish financiers.
>Oh, so we are back to the schizo "argument" that nothing ever gets a protest until the government decides that it's cool about it HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I pity you, for real.
same strawman as before 4-0
>That's quite literally the only interpretation possible to what you said.
5-0
>fake laughter
33k gdp per capita in ur country miguel its over

>>509812714
Nowhere there it says she's the reason the nigger sat where she shouldn't sit. Holy shit you are desperate now.

>>509812824
and yet the organization is the reason the protest happened. financed by the bourgeoisie. the thing we are discussing, not random acts but acts of protest. 6-0

>>509812824
you're hitting the bottom of the deck. all my points are left extant yet yours are being diffused immediately.

>>509812814
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Moskowitz_(activist)
lel

>>509812814
>requiring you to address what i actually said instead of creating a strawman is not semantic.
>see above
You have already acknowledged that a small scale action can snowball into large scale action meaning that small scale protests have an effect. You trying to turn this into "well ACKSHUALLY there wasn't a 1 million protest so it doesn't >>509808794
>this discussion isnt about winning or losing
count" autism match is just not gonna work. Rosa Parks is a clear example of individual action having a large scale effect.
>>509812814
>provided
>>509812824
>>509812814
>this was not a small scale protest
Rosa Parks was a single woman.
>same strawman as before
Just because you call it strawman doesn't make it any less true. You are still trying to argue that there was no protests against things until the government decided it was cool.
>5-0
You are literally not even trying to explain why the things you are replying to are wrong LOL
>33k gdp per capita in ur country miguel its over
Uh oh, someone is mad. You see you have cornered yourself so you have to bring up random nonsense that has nothing to do with the discussion. Not a good look.
>the organization is the reason the protest happened
But not the reason she sat where she shouldn't not. So no, your schizo rambling about how "someone put her there" are just that, schizo cope ramblings.

I must post this
>this discussion isnt about winning or losing, or who "concedes" btw. you can treat it like an actual discussion whenever you want. you lose nothing from doing so.
>proceed to keep some made up score
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA absolutely mindbroken

>>509813128
>You have already acknowledged that a small scale action can snowball into large scale action meaning that small scale protests have an effect. You trying to turn this into "well ACKSHUALLY there wasn't a 1 million protest so it doesn't
yes, because what we are discussing is whether organized protests, the kind involving picket signs, etc. are effective at bringing about change. i am not arguing that no change comes from collective action, i did argue that it more often than not comes from the top down but did not say it always does. however the specific form of collective action that is the protest does not amount to anything in my view.
>count" autism match is just not gonna work. Rosa Parks is a clear example of individual action having a large scale effect.
no, because, like i had said before, the protest did not influence government decision. it simply did not. the government decided long before it wanted to end segregation as i have demonstrated before through empirical evidence of its propaganda against segregation 2 decades prior.
>Rosa Parks was a single woman.
doesnt change the fact this was not a small scale protest + doesnt change the fact this protest was meaningless.
>Just because you call it strawman doesn't make it any less true. You are still trying to argue that there was no protests against things until the government decided it was cool.
find one quote of me saying no protests OF ANY FORM happened before the afformentioned events. burden of proof otherwise its an objective 6-0
>But not the reason she sat where she shouldn't not. So no, your schizo rambling about how "someone put her there" are just that, schizo cope ramblings.
irrelevant. i am arguing protests are not important. why would it matter if she decided to sit down? her sitting down amounted to a protest, i.e. nothing.
>fake laughter
33k btw

>>509813128
we can continue this discussion on a more proper app if you like. provide one and i can message you there. a call or voice messages would be preferable as typing is so mind numbing. if not i will have no choice but to continue on here.

>>509813102
>>509812945
>>509812896
Holy shit TRIPLE post, brutally mindbroken.
I assume you have to hit the bed or something soon, right? Must be around midnight over there so I bet it feels like SHIT knowing that you are gonna go dream about me and tomorrow when you w

>yes
Glad to see you agree with me. See? It wasn't that hard.
>the protest did not influence government decision
Proof?
>doesnt change the fact this was not a small scale protest
Her individual protest was. You are again agreeing with me that small scale protests can turn into grand scale protests which translates into protests of all kinds having an effect. Weirdly enough you tried to argue against this.
>this protest was meaningless
Proof?
>find one quote of me saying no protests OF ANY FORM
I don't have to. You've tried to argue about "SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION" for a hot minute now. Which is weird because you just admitted again that small scale action is valid as a form of protest as well.
You've done this to yourself by constantly coping about LE BIG PROTESTS for some unknown reason.
>irrelevant
But you just argued a couple posts ago about how she was put there LOL you fuckin dishonest schizo fuck HAHAHAH
> i am arguing protests are not important
And I'm arguing the opposite. For instance, segregation ended after people protested against it. Not just Rosa Parks and not just niggers but people in general for decades if not more before segregation ended.
>>509813400
Ugh, are you a faggot or something? lol I bet you must go to sleep and you are one of those autists that think "getting the last words" is some kind of victory. The whole scoring thing you've bee doing kind of confirms this, sucks for you I guess because I have all day ahead of me.
>Still so mad about losing the argument he has to go for petty insults that nothing have to do with the ongoing conversation.
So much for the "adult conversation" guy.

>>509803744
If the US controls Israel why did Israel never apologize for the Liberty incident?

>>509813841
>Proof?
the burden of proof falls on you. at the very least provide a principle or framework by which it could be fairly assumed that the government bent to the will of a protest. it seems it was not bending to popular consensus at all, as had been stated earlier it was not in the publics favour.
>Her individual protest was. You are again agreeing with me that small scale protests can turn into grand scale protests which translates into protests of all kinds having an effect. Weirdly enough you tried to argue against this.
remember, we say "protest" as in organized collective demonstration, you are now switching to the definition we are not using.
>proof?
as i stated before, it is quite clear (through analysis of government propaganda aswell as the negro media that was being promoted for decades) that the government was already on board. how could it have been so influential on government decision if they already made up their mind?
>I don't have to. You've tried to argue about "SUBSTANTIAL COLLECTIVE ACTION" for a hot minute now. Which is weird because you just admitted again that small scale action is valid as a form of protest as well. You've done this to yourself by constantly coping about LE BIG PROTESTS for some unknown reason.
using the wrong definition of "protest" again. i said that small individual actions can have large effects, such as terrorist attacks, shootings, etc. but walking around with a sign does not.
>But you just argued a couple posts ago about how she was put there LOL you fuckin dishonest schizo fuck HAHAHAH
fake laugh again. 33k you spic.
>And I'm arguing the opposite. For instance, segregation ended after people protested against it. Not just Rosa Parks and not just niggers but people in general for decades if not more before segregation ended.
not a proper dialectic. provide a framework by which it can be made sensible to believe that the protest influenced government decision.

>>509813841
also of course i am not going to try and be decent at this point. it seems quite obvious you are arguing in bad faith and simply want to make this a war of who can rage bait the other better. i dont care. i am bored and honestly not very impressed by your tricks. yes, i will throw the occasional insult in. i see no problem with doing so when it is half of what you put out. at least mine are brief and supplemented with actual arguments.

>>509813841
>segregation ended after people protested against it
It ended because they sent in the troops against protesting white people
womp womp womp

>>509814343
kek. this is the collective action that actually matters. the collective who holds the guns.

>>509813841
i think you actually need to read what you are saying here. half of your post is literally a cope trying to convince yourself that you ragebaited me epicly. we're clearly both as bored as each other. but there is someone oddly effeminate about the way you cannot use simple banter, you must try to get psychological. funny.

>>509813349
>however the specific form of collective action that is the protest does not amount to anything in my view
Holy shit I just thought about something
>be karl marx
>wake up one day
>create commiefuckism
>go to some building corner and start yelling about it
>this is supposedly not a thread as per your own definition
>fast forward 100 years

>>509814157
>the burden of proof falls on you
People protested against segregation and segregation was abolished.You are the one making a claim that doesn't align with reality.
>remember, we say "protest" as in organized collective demonstration
Yet you just argued that Rosa Parks action was a protest and it was valid. Huh?
>i stated before, it is quite clear (through analysis of government propaganda aswell as the negro media that was being promoted for decades)
Ok, so prove it. Show us your analysis.
>but walking around with a sign does not
Proof? It seemed to work with the bunch of things that I mentioned earlier in the thread.
>fake laugh again. 33k you spic.
You are still very mad about the whole conversation, eh?
>provide a framework by which it can be made sensible to believe that the protest influenced government decision.
Provide a framework in which it didn't. Provide any proof that the government was planning on ending segregation before any protests happened.
> it seems quite obvious you are arguing in bad faith
Projection. You know you are not coming back from this beating so you are pretending like you are not serious, don't care, or I'm being dishonest as a form of damage control.

>>509814157
>>509814257
>>509814374
>>509814428
QUADPOSTING HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>509796936 (OP)
Leftists are, gradually, not thinking of themselves as a sort of resistance any longer. The system is split here:
>the more rightwing zio element has belittled everything cringe left, with moderate success; they view the pleb left's disintegration as a success plain and simple
>the more leftwing zog element has slowly disempowered everything resembling resistance on a deep, conceptual level. Only on a macro level, some weird but powerful ontological shelling points remain: Global warming, immediate refugee plight ("hey a poor brown kid over there is crying!"), that's about it; in contrast to the right, they feel true desperation because what comes next is unknown territory

Furthermore, the idea of a revolutionary attitude is somewhat misleading and has to be put into context.
For Whites, revolution is our natural instinct to oppose power in order to a) facilitate welfare and b)gain honour and karma by doing so.
For jews, a revolutionary mindset is solely about cultural battlegrounds. They instinctively engage in a soft power struggle via gnostic techniques aka intellectual inversion
>why is modesty good, shiksa?! Think about it, the man just wants to control you, let's make some porn and profit I mean let's set you free!
White appreciation for gnosticism (which is, thanks to the judeo-christian reading completely misunderstood) is at its core, a good one. It is simply the affinity to contemplate socio-cultural matters critically.
>whatever it is we believe could be factually wrong
Most other races lack this trait and have a hard time to radically reconceptualise.

What does the future look like without deep leftism?
We don't know. Let's hope a good chunk goes NS.
Happy Heil 0/

>>509814343
>>509814374
The Rosa Parks shit happened before this you fucking retards.

>>509814496
>People protested against segregation and segregation was abolished.You are the one making a claim that doesn't align with reality.
actually, the rosa parks protests were not the ones that proceeded the end of racial segregation. there is about a decade of difference here. the protests, which were in reality largely labour strikes, led to a change in legislation regarding BUS segregation. however labour strikes cannot be compared to peaceful protests as they withhold labour thus have actual material bargaining power, not just people waving signs.
>Yet you just argued that Rosa Parks action was a protest and it was valid. Huh?
no. find the quote or take your meds.
>Ok, so prove it. Show us your analysis.
major record labels had promoted jazz, rock and roll, ww2 propaganda regularly featured blacks alongside whites, negro conscription was highly influential on making people open to ending segregation more than any activism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6pBCG-tluE
>Projection. You know you are not coming back from this beating so you are pretending like you are not serious, don't care, or I'm being dishonest as a form of damage control.
you have 0 extant points btw. i have a few that you still have not addressed.

>>509814585
Yes, of course, that's how causality works. Wow, hard to believe, isn't it?
And Rosa Parks was a publicity stunt to take the spotlight from the case of Claudette Colvin who was a 15 year old pregnant niglet. They wanted someone more presentable to Rosa did her little stunt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudette_Colvin
>Colvin's case was dropped by civil rights campaigners because she was unmarried and pregnant during the proceedings.[5][6] It is now widely accepted that she was not accredited by civil rights campaigners due to her circumstances. Rosa Parks said, "If the white press got ahold of that information, they would have [had] a field day. They'd call her a bad girl, and her case wouldn't have a chance."[5][7]

>>509814585
the rosa parks shit also didnt end segregation lel. a whole decade apart. you should have used the MLK example, spic. maybe if we were talking about don quixote you would know all the answers but in american history you are quite shabby.

>>509800923
He also tried to arrange an all child pool party with other peoples small children where he would have been the only adult.

>>509797015
They're both dumb and made out to be endless fighting but both would unite against a real status quo change.
The leftists would fight it: because they want to keep being treated as child; the conservatives would too: because.. well.

>>509797148
I am so glad that I barely recognize any of these corporate logos.

>>509814725
lel

yeah at this point drompf tards are even worse

>>509814745
>the rosa parks shit also didnt end segregation
Oh lord. No one is arguing that rosa parks ended segregation you fucking clown
Holy shit if this is what you've understood from the discussion you are actually turboretarded.

Do you retards think that because something doesn't have an immediate effect it has no effect at all?
marx started babbling about communism in some building corner like a fucking schizo, you think that small thing doesn't have an effect in modern society now 100 years later? holy fuck you are stupid as fuck

>>509797015
>the left is NOT the status quo
i cant tell if this is so retarded it HAS to be bait or if its so retarded it HAS to be true

>>509815209
>marx started babbling about communism in some building corner like a fucking schizo, you think that small thing doesn't have an effect in modern society now 100 years later? holy fuck you are stupid as fuck
not an example of the organized form of protest i am speaking of. pictured is what i am, and have always been referring to. this. and only this.

and stop trying to pander to pol humor "look at me i say nigger too, hahaha marx sucks we hate him right guys" its obvious you are not in group.

>>509815449
>not an example of the organized form of protest i am speaking of
Yes, because commies are not knowng for protesting, huh?

>that pic
Horrible example because niggers run rampart and are a protected class.

>>509815209
this is why i have made it clear that things like terrorist attacks, shootings, even labour strikes, etc. can be effective. this is because they actually do something materially beyond holding signs and walking around in circles. if you think this has been about anything beyond this form of protest, you have been misled and wasted your time. i have tried to explain to you several time i am talking about organized demonstrations that are nothing but talk.

>>509815528
and communism would not be known the world over if communists ONLY protested. the soviet union would not have existed if the communists only protested. thus it was not their protests, but everything but their protests that led to this.
>>509815528
those are not niggers in the pic those are rich suburban types

>>509815538
>uh oh, he just said something that makes it clear I'm dumb because I misunderstood what long-term is
>"ACKSHUALLY, this is what I've been saying all along :^)"
God you are dumb.

>>509815594
>those are not niggers in the pic
What are they protesting about?

>>509815608
no. i have made it clear earlier that this is what i meant. >>509814157 you just dont read my messages.

if you misunderstood my point that is fine. i wont hold it against you.

>>509813349
another example. seriously. you should read my posts more. i made it clear pretty earlier on this is what i was talking about.

>>509815594
>and communism would not be known the world over if communists ONLY protested
Before they took direct action, they protested and gathered lunatics.
You are purposefully misunderstanding the thing now that you realized what the actual discussion was about.

>>509815686
Before [terrorist group] did terrorist bombings, they gathered people in the form of protests thus gaining followers.
You just keep proving me right again and again.
The [terrorists group] didn't just magically appear with hundreds or thousands of members, supplies, money, etc.

>>509815766
terrorist organizations do not begin by holding picket signs. remember what i mean by "protest"
>>509815766
they did not walk in circles holding signs. if they did this was not necessary or substantial in any way.

>>509815809
>terrorist organizations do not begin by holding picket signs
Says who?
>they did not walk in circles holding signs
Says who?

>>509815893
name one fucking organization that was responsible for actual radical action that begin by holding fucking signs. and i do not mean happened to, i mean was actually formed through this.

>>509815930
The Weather Underground.

>>509816008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_Industrial_Democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercollegiate_Socialist_Society
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_America
+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Labor_Party_of_America

full genealogy of this group. astroturfed.

>>509804096
This was cringe but I guess made contextual sense

>>509816088
>THAT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE-... HUH.... REASONS
You are so dishonest holy fuck. The fact that you are actually arguinga bout this is baffling too because a fucking ton of small group terrorists literally start by picketing and then the most radical parts of them kinda separate.

Red Army Faction.

Looking forwards to the next cope about how this one doesn't' count either.

>>509796936 (OP)

And there also exist the retarded members of the right wing, they should have a pawty together with weapons n shit. One loves violence the other see's it as a neccesity, with the polar opposite braincells colliding the explosion will have devastating effects.

Violence is for defence when faced with violence and violence if you go there is not fullfilling unless you are a fucking phychopath stroking your own ego, justification for violence always look weak

>>509816152
because the group LITERALLY was a splinter of another which was a continuation of another so on and so on which was originally from a party founded by a jewish newspaper owner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_De_Leon

also the group you provided does not seem to be dedicated to walking around with signs.

>>509816294
>name one group that started picketing and radicalized
>WELL THAT DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE WHEN PICKETING WASNT ENOUGH, THEY SEPARATED AND RADICALIZED
You are pathetic LOL

Irish Republican Movement

Still waiting about your cope on the previous one but I'm giving you this one while I wait, I have probably dozens of them anyways so I hope you are ready to mass cope.

>>509816383
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Baader#RAF_involvement
the group didnt start picketing lel

ancient blood rivalry, the irish republican movement was contained within their genetic code.

>>509816459
>the group didnt start picketing lel
The origins of the group can be traced back to the 1968 student protest movement in West Germany.

WRONG.

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>Tamil Tigers
You still have to address the previous one btw.

Interesting how you are a historian of these groups that you are checking on Wikipedia lol

>>509816537
these were not people who mainly carried picket signs. these acts trump the picketing thus it cannot be seen as primarily a picketing group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Baader

>tamil tigers
didnt start picketing.

as for the irish republican movement this didnt start as a picketing movement either. burden of proof, remember.

you arent even checking wikipedia.

>>509816537
if one of your founding members was already involved in terrorism, you are not merely picketers. it also seems this movement did not contain stricktly picketing protests but also riots. it seems this specific group was centered around a riot. i do not speak of riots.

>>509816670
>more cope about a previous mentioned group
The origins of the group can be traced back to the 1968 student protest movement in West Germany.
The movement was picketing and pacifist protesting. The people radicalized fromt here.

That's exactly what you asked for.

>if one of your founding members was already involved in terrorism
Cope, the group started picketing then they radicalized into the group.

>tamil tigers
>didnt start picketing
Wrong. They had and initial non-violent political struggle for an independent Tamil state.

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>FARC

>>509816719
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>Mau Mau Uprising

>>509816719
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>ETA

And you will have the nerve of telling me that I don't know about this one either LOL

>>509816856
>people radicalized from there
it was formed in 1970 and one member had already committed terrorism in 1968.

>Cope, the group started picketing then they radicalized into the group.
1968

>Wrong. They had and initial non-violent political struggle for an independent Tamil state.
this was not a picketing protest.

from now on provide a source for your belief that these groups began picketing. the burden of proof is rationally on you.

>>509816719
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>PKK

Boy you are feeling a bit slow now, aren't you?

>>509816942
provide relevant sources for each.

>>509816929
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>Boko Haram
This one is kinda crazy that it didn't start violently but here we are.

>>509816955
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>Shining Path

Oh so now you are not an expert anymore? You made a statement as if you knew shita bout all this stuff.

Guess you didn't?

>>509797370
>make jews kvetch
you dumb nigger we arrested that cunt and deported her back home. She didn't do shit for the subhuman bloodthirsty orcs you call "palestinians"

>>509816955
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>Rote Armee Fraktion

>>509816955
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>Japanese Red Army

>>509799730
>OMG CORPORATIONS DON'T MINDLESSLY PRODUCE PRODUCTS FOR ME!!!?

Ok trannies are insane but based.

>>509816955
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>Revolutionary Nuclei

What's wrong dude? Feel too much pressure? Can't Wikipedia stuff fast enough?

>>509816856
>FARC
The FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) was formed in May 1964 by Manuel Marulanda Vélez, also known as "Sureshot," as the military wing of the Colombian Communist Party (PCC). It emerged from the aftermath of violence following the assassination of Jorge Eliécer Gaitán in 1948 and the subsequent political conflict known as "La Violencia". The FARC's initial aim was to overthrow the Colombian government and establish a Marxist-Leninist state, with a focus on agrarian reform and redistribution of wealth.
>mau mau uprising (i earlier stated that i only speak of such protests in a
democratic environment btw >>509812478)
In 1952, elements of the Kenyan Kikuyu tribe, known as the Mau Mau, began a guerrilla campaign against Europeans and fellow Africans. Although it contained many elements of anti-colonialism, the rising was primarily about land ownership and who was to rule Kenya once the British withdrew.
>PKK
political party
>boko haram
cant find sources for its founding you will have to provide otherwise dismissed

>>509817098
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>EOKA

>>509817098
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>Algerian FLN

You are not fast enough, boy.

>>509817082
>Revolutionary Nuclei
militia
>>509817052
millitia

>>509817098
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>Chechen Rebels

See the problem is that you are not reading wikipedia fast enough so you cant cover all of these and when you do it's half-assed jewed out information

>>509817140
>Algerian FLN
political party
>>509817108
militia

burden of proof is still on you

>>509817169
militia

>>509817160
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>FALN

"Militia" is not an argument. They started picketing or pacifist-centered protest before getting radicalized.

>>509817169
burden of proof is literally on you lmao i dont technically need to respond to any of these. you have provided 0 proof they started picketing.

>>509817185
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>Revolutionary Struggle

You are literally not even lookin them up, you are just copypasting "militia" HAHAHHAA

>>509817194
provide source

>>509817201
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>ELF

>>509817232
>Revolutionary Struggle
guerilla group. did not begin picketing.

>>509817248
provide source they began picketing.

>>509817235
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>Red Brigades

>>509817253
Read the wikipedia properly please

>>509817277
provide source, remember burden of proof.

>>509817253
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>Rote Zora

>>509817275
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>Front de libération du Québec

The source is the name. Can't keep up, boy?

>>509817289
so far i have seen 0 evidence any of these groups began picketing. thus i only get baseless claims. i could not find any in my own research.

>>509817288
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>SLF

>>509817343
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>George Jackson Brigade

Boy you are MAD right now SHEEEEEESH

>>509817318
that is not how the burden of proof works. proof is not "i told you the name, now do the research for me!" you are listen random left wing groups.

>>509817362
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>FLQ

YOU OKAY BRO?

>>509817359
you are the one who has given up on following basic rules of dialectic lel. burden of proof is law.

>>509817388
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>Grey Wolves

>ASK FOR SOMETHING
>GET MAD WHEN YOU GET A TON OF IT
YOU OKAY BRAH?

>>509817388
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>Túpac Amaru Revolutionary Movement

>>509817388
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>Al‑Muhajiroun
inb4 goatfuckers can't be picketers or something

>>509817418
data dump + burden of proof. lel. you have not given me a ton of anything other than names. give me actual information. when i search these groups i cannot find anything about them picketing. the closest is red army faction who seemed to be inspired by a protest but responded in a way that was not picketing (indirect influence does not count only direct)

>>509817388
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>KLA

>>509817487
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>Kata’ib Sayyid al‑Shuhada

>Nn-noooo those don't count because I'm uneducated
LMAO

>>509817492
every time you spam you just dig yourself further into the hole. you are committing the data dump fallacy mang. a bunch of sudden unsubstantiated claims in hopes to overwhelm someone and make a proper response possible. without actual elaboration, however, you have essentially listed 0.

>>509817509
you should add me on telegram. id love to hear what you sound like lmfao

>>509817487
>you have not given me a ton of anything other than names
>>509815930
>name one fucking organization that was responsible for actual radical action that begin by holding fucking signs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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>GARI

>>509817537
>every time you spam you just dig yourself further into the hole
Projection

>>509817572
you have to actually prove they started as a picketing group.

>>509817560
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>NPA

Not interested I'm not a homo looking for a partner even though I'm pushing your shit in.