The French revolution was based, and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>509844598 (OP)
American revolution was based, France and Russia in my opinion were pretty onions. Coomers and gangsters destroying your country.

>>509844598 (OP)
It is the premier example of why goy are goy but you know, you do you

>>509844915
>American revolution was based
Sorry. You can't think the American revolution was based without also thinking the French revolution was.

>>509844915
If you think the American Revolution was based, then you don’t actually understand it. It had nothing to do with taxes - that was a dog whistle for the plebes. It’s as all about money, and the whole thing was driven by the 1% class like George Washington, who was the wealthiest man in the colonies.
Look at how he got that way, and you’ll begin to understand what it was really all about.

>>509844598 (OP)
The French Revolution is exactly the point in time when retards pushed Europe down the route of miscegenation.
King of France changed into King of the French.. thereby all subjects, including the fuckin' niggers in Africa, automatically became "French"
kys disability fat fuck retard. The world doesn't need your imbecile opinions

>>509844598 (OP)
It was gay and Jewish

>>509844598 (OP)
https://archive.org/details/proofsofaconspiracy/mode/2up

>>509844598 (OP)
Fuck these inbreds to hell and their stupid hats.

Personally I prefer Les Incroyables and their girlfriends, Les Merveilleuses were the avatars of the Thermidorian Reaction. Sans Culottes got thrashed by the Incroyables and the Muscadins wielding their walking sticks/ clubs sarcastically called "Constitutions" or "Pouvoir Executif".

>>509844598 (OP)
you should probably learn more about it, fag

it happened, that's all we can say for sure.

the rest is purely speculation.

>>509844598 (OP)
the french revolution is what really started globohomo in europe, and the french enlightenment is what caused the american revolution
conclusion : france is the most jewish piece of shit
they even gave birth in a way to england, and by association, to israel
dont get me started on gay canada
everything france is gay and jewish

>>509844598 (OP)
It's incredibly interesting (I enjoyed Burke, de Maistre and Twelve Who Ruled) but not based. Marat, Saint-Just and Robespierre were interesting figures. The vibe was like a vortex of enlightenment masonic Satanism. Scary shite.

>>509844598 (OP)
It was a liberal revolution hijacked by a precursor of the communists
The Illuminati
By promising the poor the world they merely delivered on an absolute tyranny of the upper middle class
Led principally by a Jewish man who hated the French

>>509844915
>American revolution was based
Neither based, a revolution nor completely American

Robespierre the resolute opponent of aristocrats was found at the time of his arrest to have a secret cache of letters between himself and King Louis XVI who was imprisoned, negotiating for the hand of the King's daughter and a high aristocratic title to go with it.

Reconstruction of Robespierre

>>509845751
This. I don't know whats based about destroying all the monarchies and replacing them with gay ass democracy.

>>509844598 (OP)
The French Revolution was originally supposed to be a Glorious Revolution with the Duke of Orleans, cousin of Louis XVI and Grand Master of French Freemasonry, as king, but the Montagnards guillotined him and most of the of their own party because the general paronoia after Louis was guillotined (with the Duke present) and the Monarchies of Europe declared war on France.

>>509844598 (OP)
jews led it. the french are cucks

>>509847061
Aryan beast

>>509846905
This is false.

The French stopped being cool in like 1819.

>>509844598 (OP)
I was kino but also immensely destructive to European civilization

We would still have monarcies bro

>>509847764
>but also immensely destructive to European civilization
Good.

They should finish burning it down so that something new will be created, like a phoenix.

>>509847231
>Louis Philippe II, Duke of Orléans (Louis Philippe Joseph; 13 April 1747 – 6 November 1793), was a French Prince of the Blood who supported the French Revolution

>Louis Philippe II was born at the Château de Saint-Cloud to Louis Philippe I, Duke of Chartres, and his wife, Louise Henriette de Bourbon-Conti. He was titled Duke of Montpensier at birth. When his grandfather Louis, Duke of Orléans, died in 1752, his father became the new Duke of Orléans and Louis Philippe II became Duke of Chartres. When his father died in 1785, he became Duke of Orléans and First Prince of the Blood. He was styled as Serene Highness (French: Son Altesse Sérénissime)

>In 1792, during the Revolution, Louis Philippe changed his name to Philippe Égalité. He was a cousin of King Louis XVI and one of the wealthiest men in France. He actively supported the Revolution of 1789, and was a strong advocate for the elimination of the present absolute monarchy in favor of a constitutional monarchy. Égalité voted for the death of Louis XVI; however, he was himself guillotined in 1793 during the Reign of Terror. His son, also named Louis Philippe, became King of the French after the July Revolution of 1830. After Louis Philippe II, the term Orléanist came to be attached to the movement in France that favored a constitutional monarchy

>(((revolution)))
Simple as.

>>509844598 (OP)
> a coup organized by freemassons only pushed in Paris by the same retards we see today
> I love when jews are pushing whites to kill each others!!!!
> i love when jews started to take control of FRANCE!!!
> I LOVE WHEN FRENCHIES WERE PUSHED BY JEWS TO GENOCIDE OTHER FRENCHIES IN THE COUNTRY POST-REVOLUTION
> I LOVE COMMUNISM AND I LOVE JEWS
thats how you sounds to me

>>509844598 (OP)
Kek many years ago my coworker from Nicaragua showed me the flag of his country. I laughed my ass off at the red smurf hat on the flag. He wasn't very happy about that.

The Khmer Rouge was based, and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>509847855
>In August 1787 the Duke of Orléans and his secretary Charles-Louis Ducrest, the brother of Madame de Genlis, came up with proposals to improve the financial situation of France. Philippe d'Orléans became a member of the Society of the Friends of the Constitution, and strongly adhered to the principles of Denis Diderot, Voltaire and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. He was interested in creating a more moral and democratic form of government in France. As he grew more and more interested in Rousseau's ideas, he began to promote Enlightenment ideas, such as the separation of church and state and limited monarchy. He also advocated and voted against feudalism and slavery

>In addition to being a Jacobin, Philippe was also the Grand Master of the Masonic Grand Orient de France, the most powerful Masonic Obedience in worldwide Continental Freemasonry (which now stands opposed to the "Regular" Freemasonry of the United Grand Lodge of England and the majority of lodges in the United States of America), from 1771 to 1793, even though he did not attend a meeting until 1777. He later distanced himself from Freemasonry in a letter dated January 1793, and the Grand Orient vacated his position on 13 December 1793 (however, Philippe had already been executed weeks before)

>Philippe was also a strong admirer of the British constitutional monarchy. He strongly advocated for France's adoption of a constitutional monarchy rather than the absolute monarchy that was present in France at the time

>As the Parisian police had no authority to enter the Duke's private property, it became a hub for illegal activity, such as trade in stolen goods, suspicious deals, and the spread of revolutionary ideas. In fact, it was a common place for Jacobins to meet and discuss their plans and ideas

>Many members of the National Assembly claimed that the Palais-Royal was the "birthplace of the Revolution."

>>509847061
you'd think if they had a death mask with specific pot marks you could work with.. you'd put in those specific pot marks.. i mean, not often you get to work with such clarity..

>>509847988
>In 1738, Pope Clement XII prohibited Catholics from becoming Freemasons, on the grounds that the order required secret oaths, involved paganistic rituals, and encouraged religious indifferentism. But like papal decrees before and after, many Catholics blithely decided to ignore the prohibition and joined the masons, anyway. They thought that those who took such bans seriously were being stuffy and getting in the way of progress. Lawyers, doctors, merchants, artists, writers, ladies, aristocrats, kings and emperors, who were otherwise practicing Catholics, were initiated into various lodges, lodges which often rivaled each other with different goals and endeavors

>In the family of Marie-Antoinette there were some members who were masons, including her father Emperor Francis I. Her mother, Empress Maria Theresa, was vehemently against masonry. The Empress sent the police to raid one of the lodges while her husband the Emperor was at a meeting, and he had to escape by a back staircase

>>509848168
>While there is no evidence that Marie-Antoinette was herself ever initiated into a lodge, she went through a time when she was favorable to freemasonry. Her close friend, the virtuous Madame de Lamballe, presided over the Lodge of the Social Contract, one of the ladies' lodges or loges d'adoption. In 1781, Madame de Lamballe became Grand Mistress of all of the Lodges of Adoption in France. That same year, Marie-Antoinette wrote to a friend, praising the good works of the masonic sisterhood, and how they provided dowries for poor girls and were very pious. She also praised them in a letter to her sister Marie-Christine, saying: "It is only a society of benevolence and pleasure." (see Nesta Webster's Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette Before the Revolution, p. 237-238) She and Louis XVI both saw the masons as a means of charitable works to benefit society, and they both may have at one point visited certain lodges, so that to this day, some masonic groups claim them as their own

>There is also evidence that Marie-Antoinette's best friend Madame de Polignac was a member of a ladies' lodge, although not to the extent that Madame de Lamballe was involved; it was considered the fashionable thing to do. Nesta Webster, who blames the masons for practically everything, said that the Lodges of Adoption were harmless enough ladies' clubs. They were probably one step away from the Mopses, but still, in my opinion, Catholics should not have joined, since masonry was forbidden by the Church

>>509848253
>As for Louis XVI, there has long been a debate as to if he was ever formally initiated into a lodge as his brothers probably were. When he ascended the throne, Louis XVI was quite liberal and progressive; like all young progressives at the time he saw the masons not only as harmless, but as a group who would benefit society by active good works. Some of this explains his initial acquiescence to certain measures in the beginning of the Revolution which were damaging to the Church, especially the Civil Constitution of the Clergy. He admits as much in the Vow to the Sacred Heart which he made under house arrest in the Tuileries in 1791

>It is true that many monarchists were masons and many revolutionaries were not masons. However, in the years preceding the Revolution of 1789, masonic lodges formed a network that fomented discord, spread propaganda against the King and especially against the Queen. The lodges were used by a core of aristocrats and politicians who wanted to secularize society, and destroy the Church, or at least enervate it, by destroying or by seizing the crown

>Marie-Antoinette came to see this quite clearly. In August of 179o she wrote to her brother Emperor Leopold of Austria: "Be well on your guard where you are with regard to all associations of Freemasons. You must already have been warned that it is by this means that all monsters here count on attaining the same end in every country. Oh, God, preserve my Fatherland and you from such misfortunes." ( Lettres de Marie-Antoinette, edited by Maxime de la Rocheterie, 2 vol., 1895) For Marie-Antoinette and Louis XVI, the warnings had not been heeded, until it was too late

>>509847634

1. You do realize that during the Terror he was the absolute dictator, monarch, tyrant over France?
2. Napoleon was a sycophant of Robespierre given to hanging about his office's antechamber with other fanatical sans culottes, all dressed in filthy rags to show their solidarity with the poor. The moment Napoleon and his friends finally ascended to the pinnacle of power they turned on a dime and adorned themselves in the finest garments, silk, velvet, gold braid, egret feathers, jewels. After Napoleon dumped Josephine, this man, the author of the pamphlet "Souper au Beaucaire" a screed calling for the bloody extermination of all aristocrats and clergy, married the Duchess of Parma the daughter of the Archduke of Austo Hungary.

I don't think this history of the arrest and execution of Robespierre and the fact he was in correspondence with the king to marry his daughter is implausible at all given the facts of the revolution and the instincts of those involved.

>>509847892
It was an absolute clusterfuck. Always is. jews are out of their minds.

>>509844598 (OP)
it was pure shit made by kike

>>509847226
Democracy used to be the domain of white men. It was basically libertarianism without niggers and women and faggots and Jews.

Everything other than Fascism is gay, at this point. Women voting and importing brown people is the stupidest fucking thing and I hate this piece of shit country for letting itself get sold off to Jews piecemeal and demonizing the ethnic crop of people who built the entire goddamn thing. Give me a white man's country or you might as well nuke the whole goddamn earth.

>>509849175
Democracy was always gay and jewish kys retard

>>509847231
>>509847855
>>509847988
>>509848168
>>509848303
Fun Fact: French Freemasonry was created by Jacobists. The modern form of Freemasonry began in France, it was introduced by three Catholic Jacobites Derwentwater, MacLeane and O’Héguerty. The Scottish Rite was also developed in France. Despite Freemasonry professing to be against Catholicism and later refusing Catholics altogether it very much is a Jacobite invention. They did this to dupe Protestants back into their Roman imperial cult.

>Jacobitism was a political ideology advocating the restoration of the senior line of the House of Stuart to the British throne. When James II of England chose exile after the November 1688 Glorious Revolution, the Parliament of England ruled he had "abandoned" the English throne, which was given to his Protestant daughter Mary II of England, and his nephew, her husband William III. On the same basis, in April the Scottish Convention awarded Mary and William the throne of Scotland

>The Grand Lodge of France was established in 1728, by Catholic Jacobite refugees from Scotland, its first Grand Master being the Duke of Wharton. A Papal interdiction on Catholics participating in Masonic rituals was issued in 1738, but was never ratified by the French parliament, and was largely ignored in France. Many lodges included Catholic priests as active members, and at least one lodge was reserved exclusively for them

>The Grand Lodge of France was reorganised in 1771, under its aristocratic Grand Master, Philippe d'Orleans (later known as "Philippe Egalite," because of his support for many of the key ideals of the French Revolution), and was subsequently renamed the Grand Orient (the distinction between the Grand Lodge and the Grand Orient persists in French freemasonry, and depends on the premise that, whilst adherents to the former must acknowledge the existence of a "Supreme Being," the latter tradition is open also to atheists and agnostics)

>>509849462
>white men establishing consensus in their own communities is gay and jewish
One bad king and it all comes tumbling down. I'm making a teleological point about a very specific moment in time but that doesn't matter because I've only met like three people that have read Hegel or Marx. Fascism and Monarchism are closer than further apart, but thank you for once again needlessly turning up your nose at an American for no good reason. The French were always reliable for that.

I am sorry that we fought against Germany because the world would be infinitely better if the West were brothers and kept the visitors at the gates and told them to fuck off.

>>509849589
>Some post-revolutionary Catholic historiography would later portray the French Revolution as a Masonic conspiracy set on the destruction of Christianity, but the truth is that freemasons were active on both sides of the American and French Revolutions, and that their ranks included both believers and non-believers. Philippe d'Orleans, specifically, sought a compromise between revolutionary and monarchical principles which might have spared France the Terror (as the Terror unfolded, it would claim his own life, as well as countless others)

>Although Robespierre's "Cult of the Supreme Being" clearly drew on Masonic traditions and symbolism, the Revolution was ultimately a disaster for freemasonry: of the 1000 lodges active in 1789, and subsequently suppressed by the Committee of Public Safety, only 75 were in a position to resume their activities in 1801

>When Napoleon Bonaparte came to power, he made his brother, Joseph, Master of the Grand Orient, but he made clear his own cynical position towards the end of his life, from his exile on Saint Helena: "Freemasons are a pile of imbeciles who assemble for good cheer, and for the execution of many ridiculous follies. Nevertheless, they have carried out good actions from time to time."

>>509844598 (OP)
>The french revolution
>based in any way, shape, or form
Bitch, jacobins were the biggest golems to ever stain the planet. The Sanfedisti had to torch a bajillion new synagogues the fagobins had left behind after they kicked them out of southern Italy. The french revolutionaries sucked more jewish cock than Britain and the US combined, and that's quite and achievement.

>>509844598 (OP)
The French aristocracy were also wealthy pedophiles. History repeats itself.

>>509849589
>>509850389
>Alexandre-Louis Roëttiers de Montaleau, born November 22, 1748 in Paris and died January 30, 1808 in the same city, was a French goldsmith, medalist, and Freemason

>He was one of the leading figures of the Grand Orient of France, a Masonic obedience that owed its survival during the French Revolution to him, as well as the founding of numerous Masonic lodges. The testimonies of his contemporaries prove that the obedience's archives were saved by Roëttiers de Montaleau, who also played a prominent role in establishing the modern French Rite. For six years, after serving as general engraver of coins and auditor at the Chamber of Accounts, he served as director of the Paris Mint

>Alexandre Roëttiers de Montaleau is the son of Jacques Roëttiers de la Tour, former general engraver of the British mints, who had been invested in 1732 with the office of goldsmith to the King of France and was to receive a diploma confirming his nobility in 1772. On his mother's side, he was the grandson of the king's goldsmith, Nicolas Besnier. He was the brother of Jacques-Nicolas, also a goldsmith and creator in 1770-1771 of the Orloff service commissioned by Catherine II

>Deeply attached to the Stuarts, notably through the support of Jacques François Stuart and Jacques II, the Roëttiers de Montaleau family is thus in the Jacobite tradition

>>509849935
Where did I said facism was good fucktard ?
Kys with all the mason scums itt

>>509844598 (OP)
wuzzup with that hat yo??? why is it so scythian??

>>509851150
Name a good system of government then, frog.

>>509850929
>He chaired the governing body of the Grand Orient of France in 1799 and 1802. Heir to a substantial fortune and a noble title granted to his father, he embraced new ideas and viewed the Revolution with sympathy, but was imprisoned during the Terror after hiding the archives of the order. Roëttiers de Montaleau died on January 30, 1808. His religious funeral took place two days later, on February 1, at the Saint-Sulpice church in Paris. As for the Masonic lodges, they held numerous funeral ceremonies in his honor

>Alexandre-Louis Roëttiers de Montaleau is a key figure in the history of French Freemasonry. He played a vital role in the Grand Orient of France from the 1780s until his death in 1808

>Initiated at an imprecise date into the "L'Amitié" lodge in Paris, he was "raised to the rank of master" in Masonic terms in 1775. In this lodge, he served successively as Second Warden in 1775, Worshipful Master from 1778 to 1781 and from 1786 to 1778, a total of five years

>On December 26, 1783, he was received into the Philanthropic Society of Paris and served on its executive committee from 1784 to 1787

>Co-founder of the "Grand Chapitre Général," which transformed into the "Souverain Chapitre Métropolitain," de Montaleau was elected president on April 8, 1784, for approximately ten years, until 1793. As a deputy, he represented the chapters of Limoges, Rouen, Dieppe, and Aix-en-Provence

>From 1770 to 1777, Roëttiers de Montaleau held various officer positions in the Chamber of Provinces, before becoming its president until 1794. After this period in the Chamber, he was venerable of approximately ten metropolitan lodges

>The collective memory of Masons associates him more or less with two events: the survival of the Grand Orient during the Revolution and the establishment of the modern French Rite. Moreover, his career and personality are emblematic of a certain Masonic generation that passed the torch from the 18th to the 19th century

>>509851387
Steppe niggers or local self rule of a small village or basically any pre industrial society.
Unless you believe the capital can enforce something on a village 400km (250 miles) away.in pre-modern times.

it was only good insofar as it got rid of a decadent aristocracy but extremely bad because it replaced it with an even worse one

>>509852232
I'd be totally fine in a commune but I know that's a very short-term solution to what is functionally a very long-term problem. I have an old college buddy that works in the northeast on an organic agricultural co-op and it seems pretty idyllic. The basic infrastructure that supports them requires industrialization, and I agree with Uncle Ted that technology is always a forward moving force. Homesteading seems great, but you are delaying the inevitable.

Before my father passed he showed a lot of interest in selling his house and buying some rural property and developing a homestead there. When I get enough money together I'd like to do the same, but it's probably not going to happen.

Kill all royals.

>>509852927
I personally believe that any hyper productive society will naturally increase the amount of useless mouths to feed. I genuenly believe this is the first time in human history we have gotten this far in technological progress. Now that most women are liberated from traditional labour they would do and medicine can take care of their womenly burdens, they are part of the economy, even if it means society will collapse from low birthrate and male participation. I believe previous societies if they reached such a level would know and would warn us somehow not to allow dysgenic retards, fags who spread diseases around and are only restrained by vaccines and women "participating" in society.
Its unrelated to what you said, yes, but I had to take it off my chest. Anyway. I raise goats and chickens. I don't know what you know about homesteading or what you americans mean with that word. But if its anything like subsistence living its going to be a lot harder and more demanding than you think. When I got goats, I had to fix the roof, then build them another place to store food and seperate small goats from the older goats and yadda yadda you get the idea. You also need to know a lot of skills, very niche sometimes. I didn't want goats, but im a neet and my parents wanted goats so here we are.
Well, at least you guys have guns and can probably play around with them in your own homestead property, guns are cool as fuck.

>>509844598 (OP)
The jews that led the anti monarchist coup imprisoned young Louis XVII, fed him almost nothing, and had him raped by several whores to give him STDs in order to accuse his mother Marie Antoinette of raping him. Sometimes his jailers would make him sing revolutionary songs in front of his mother’s and sister’s cells if he wanted to eat. When they couldn't get him to renounce christianity the let him rot in prison, and he was found dead at 10 with the words "Mother forgive me" written on the wall. It was jewish, just like the (((revolutions))) across Europe in 1848

>>509844598 (OP)
everyone involved in the french revolution, for some strange reason, was ugly, or fat or had a weird skin condition or all three. So I can't say it was based. Sorry, I can't.

>>509847231
>interesting thread appears
>avatar fag hue shows up to spam the thread with walls of bullshit text to overload anons' interest and get them to stop paying attention
Tell us about Marduk, huenigger

>>509853917
>everyone involved in the french revolution, for some strange reason, was ugly, or fat or had a weird skin condition or all three

So basically 18th century /pol/?

>>509853635
>Well, at least you guys have guns and can probably play around with them in your own homestead property, guns are cool as fuck.
I know pretty much dick about subsistence living but I'm trying to learn. The only good thing I've got going for me is a decent build and a talent for research, which helps. Guns are cool as fuck by the way. I love them.

If you were in the states, I'd buy you a beer. Bulgarians are some of my favorite posters on /pol/. Next Bulgarian dude I meet is getting a drink on your behalf.

>>509846212

>>509847981
nothwithstanding the fact that he was right about a lot of things, like academics, no it was a criminal regime that dressed up it's robberies in political language.

>>509851370
>What came to be labelled as the Phrygian cap was originally used by several Iranian peoples, including the Scythians, the Medes, and the Persians. From the reports of the ancient Greeks, it appears that the Iranian variant also was a soft headdress and called a tiara

>Early Christian art (and continuing well into the Middle Ages) build on the same Greco-Roman perceptions of (Pseudo-)Zoroaster and his "Magi" as experts in the arts of astrology and magic, and routinely depict the "three wise men" (that follow a star) with Phrygian caps

>The Battle of the Ten Kings (Sanskrit: दाशराज्ञयुद्धम्, IAST: Dāśarājñá yuddhá) was first alluded to in the 7th Mandala of the Rigveda (RV). Sudas is mentioned in Rigveda as the chief of Bharatas who conquered the ten-kings confederacy. It is further mentioned that the king had replaced Vishwamitra with Vasishtha as his priest, thereby creating a rivalry between the two. The ten-kings, viz. Puru, Yadu, Turvasu, Anu, Druhyu, Alina, Paktha, Bhalanas, Siva and Vishanin, then revolted against Sudas but were defeated by him. He also fought Ajas, Sigrus and Yakshus soon after

>The heroes of this hymn, the Tṛtsus (a clan around seven successive kings belonging to the broader Bhārata dynasty, including Sudās), are Āryas and supported by Indra. The enemy camp as a whole is deemed anindra, “without Indra” (7:18:16), in a verse that seems to furnish the first instance of this term. Later books use this as a standard allegation of the enemies: “Indra-less destructive spirit” (RV 4:23.7), “how can those without Indra and without hymns harm me?” (RV 5:2:3), “enemies without Indra”, truth-haters (RV 1:133:1), “my enemies without Indra” (RV 10:48:7), “Indra-less libation-drinkers” (RV 10:27:6, according to Geldner 2003/3:166, a “reminiscence of 7:18:16”)

>>509855433
>Included in the enemy camp are the Dasyus, described as “faithless, rudely-speaking Paṇis/niggards, without belief, sacrifice or worship” (RV 7:6:3). Other seers call them “without sacrifice” (RV 1:33:4, 8:70:11), “without oath” (RV 1:51:8, 1:175:3, 6:14:3, 9:41:2), “riteless” (RV 10:22:8), “godless” (adeva, RV 8:70:11), “faithless” (RV 1.33.9, 2:22:10), “prayerless” (RV 4:16:9), “following different rites” (RV 8:70:11, 10:22:8). All these are properties pertaining to religion. Dasyus are the Dāsas’ priests and the special target of Vasiṣṭha’s ire. In fact, opposition to the Dasyus is a general Vedic trait: “Dasyus never figure as rich or powerful enemies. They are depicted as sly enemies who incite others into acts of boldness (6:24:8) (…) The Dasyus are clearly regarded with uncompromising hostility, while the hostility towards the Dāsas is relatively mild” (Talageri 2000:253)

>Sudās’s court priest is less interested in and less incensed against the Dāsa warriors who do the actual fighting, and more in the Dasyu ideologues who have turned the battle in a competition between different pantheons and different ways of pleasing them

>The Iranian religion fits Vasiṣṭha’s description. The Vedic seers saw a very similar religious practice and a very similar worldview, of people whom they understood in spite of a different accent, and therefore were extra sensitive to the points where the Athravans had “deviated” from the Vedic standard. Consider: the Mazdeans are “without fire-sacrifice”: they don’t throw things into the sacred fire, because they hold it even more sacred than the Vedic sacrificial priests, who still use it as a channel towards the gods. An Avestan yasna is not a Vedic yajña

>>509855849
>They don’t worship the Devas, whom they have demonized: Daēva effectively means “devil”. Conversely, the Vedic Aryans originally worshipped but ultimately demonized the Asuras (Hale 1986). Among the gods, Indra in particular was identified with the principle of Evil or Falsity, though his substantivated epithet Verethraghna (“Vṛtra-slayer”) was separated from him and remained popular

>We may speculate that in an earlier confrontation, Indra did not give them victory, so they demonized him, turning him into the “angry spirit”, Angra Mainyu. Vedic Manyu (addressee of RV 10:83-84) was a name of Indra in his aspect of fury and passion. Aṅgra seems to be a pun on the Aṅgiras, the clan of his priests. (In the subsequent Vārṣāgira battle, the Bhārata enemies of the Mazdeans call themselves aṅgirobhiraṅgirastama, “most swift/aṅgiras among the swift/aṅgiras”, RV 1:100:3.) Alternatively, the far Northwest of the Subcontinent has no clear monsoon, a time opened with a thunderstorm signified by Indra. During their migrations as sketched in the Purāṇas, the Ānavas are said to have moved from the Western Gaṅgā basin, which has a monsoon, to Kashmir and then West-Panjab, where the memory of a monsoon must have faded, so Indra became less relevant and easily identified with the people from monsoon territory

>They don’t worship the Devas, whom they have demonized: Daēva effectively means “devil”. Conversely, the Vedic Aryans originally worshipped but ultimately demonized the Asuras (Hale 1986). Among the gods, Indra in particular was identified with the principle of Evil or Falsity, though his substantivated epithet Verethraghna (“Vṛtra-slayer”) was separated from him and remained popular

>>509849589
>MacLeane and O’Héguerty

>>509856183
>We may speculate that in an earlier confrontation, Indra did not give them victory, so they demonized him, turning him into the “angry spirit”, Angra Mainyu. Vedic Manyu (addressee of RV 10:83-84) was a name of Indra in his aspect of fury and passion. Aṅgra seems to be a pun on the Aṅgiras, the clan of his priests. (In the subsequent Vārṣāgira battle, the Bhārata enemies of the Mazdeans call themselves aṅgirobhiraṅgirastama, “most swift/aṅgiras among the swift/aṅgiras”, RV 1:100:3.) Alternatively, the far Northwest of the Subcontinent has no clear monsoon, a time opened with a thunderstorm signified by Indra. During their migrations as sketched in the Purāṇas, the Ānavas are said to have moved from the Western Gaṅgā basin, which has a monsoon, to Kashmir and then West-Panjab, where the memory of a monsoon must have faded, so Indra became less relevant and easily identified with the people from monsoon territory

>Another element that may have played a role here, is Vasiṣṭha’s stated opposition to magic: “Let the heroes (…) prevail against all godless arts of magic” (RV 7:1:10), “Against the sorcerers hurl your bolt” (RV 7:104:25). Human experience teaches the perfect compatibility of this “skeptical” position with the fact that his own sacrificial rituals believed to be the cause of battlefield victories equally amount to magic. At any rate, this cursed sorcery was identified with the Asuras, who are often depicted in later, Puranic stories as more resourceful than the Devas. Magic sits at the centre of the Atharva Veda, named after the kind of priest dominant among the Iranians, the Athravans, and held in lower esteem than the Veda-trayī, the other three Vedas. In this case, it is not yet clear what was cause and what was effect: magic (from Magoi, the Greek name of the Iranian priests) was associated with the Iranians, and both the one and the other were mistrusted

>>509856653
>Finally, on the Vedic side, it is possible that Varuṇa’s identity with the enemies’ god Ahura Mazdā had something to do with his decline and gradual disappearance from the Vedic horizon: “One notices the decline of Varuṇa in Book X, which has no hymn for him (…) If he is seen in his glory in some of the Family Books, Book X registers his decline and subordination to Indra.” (Pradhan 2014:153-154) At any rate, he did decline, both in power and in moral stature: “Varuṇa, who is now second to Indra unlike in VI, VII and IV, is reduced to singing his praises (…) Varuṇa of Books X and I acquires semi-demoniacal features which he did not have in the Family Books (…) the former guardian of immortality is now associated with the world of the dead (…) unlike in the early Ṛgveda, the [later] Saṁhitās treated Varuṇa with dread” (Pradhan 2014:156)

>This is only a partial and gradual demonization of Varuṇa the Asura, nothing like the radical demonization of Indra the Daēva. But this is commensurate with the fleeting Paurava war psychology as against the deep grudge the Ānavas bore after their defeat

>>509844598 (OP)
18th/19th century aesthetics were based, but the French revolution is a coup d'état of the Jewish bourgeoisie against the French/Catholic noblesse.

>>509844598 (OP)
>The French revolution was based, and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
That's because you know nothing of it and/or are a communist.

>>509857021
>18th/19th century aesthetics were based, but the French revolution is a coup d'état of the Jewish bourgeoisie against the French/Catholic noblesse.
The bourgeoisie wasn't Jewish and they used Celts against the mostly Germanic noblesse (which was not oppressive).

>>509844598 (OP)
Screw you republican dog! God bless the Dauphin of France

>>509846905
>>509847061
What a filthy dog.

>>509844598 (OP)
The White terror was based. The "brotherhood" committee, wasn't. Napoleon was based.

>>509855433
>>509855849
>>509856183
>>509856653
>>509856997
>The enemies include Kavi and Kavaṣa, the enemy tribes Pṛśu, Pṛthu, Paktha, Bhalana (RV 7:18:7) are collectively known as Dāsa, some of them as Paṇi (lambasted already in 7:6:3), and their priests as Dasyu. Practically all the names of enemy tribes or enemy leaders are Iranian or pertain to tribes known from Greco-Roman sources as Iranian: Kavi, the name of the Iranian dynasty still featuring in Zarathuštra’s Gāthās (e.g. Gāthā 51:16, Insler 1975:107); Kavaśa/Kaoša; Dāsa/Dahae; Dasyu/Danghyu; Paṇi/Parnoi; Ānava/Anaoi; Parśu/Persoi; Pṛthu/Parthoi; Paktha/Paštu; Bhalāna/Baluc/Bolān

>Bhrigus, one of the Indo-Aryan tribes that lost in the Battle of the Ten Kings, were probably the priestly family descended from the ancient Kavi Bhrigu. Later, they are related to the composition of parts of the Atharva Veda (Bhṛgv-Āṅgirasa)

>In VII.83.1, "the Pṛthus and the Parśus" have often been mistranslated. Griffith says: "Ludwig declares that the former meaning is perfectly impossible, and argues that pṛithu-parśavah must mean 'the Pṛithus and the Parśus'". the leader of the alliance against Sudās in the battle is Kavi Cāyamāna (VII.18.8), whose ancestor Abhyāvartin Cāyamāna is clearly called a Pārthava in VI.27.8

>Parsus have been connected with the Persians based on the evidence of an Assyrian inscription from 844 BC referring to the Persians as Parshu, and the Behistun Inscription of Darius I of Persia referring to Parsa as the home of the Persians. Pârsâ, is the Old Persian name for the Persis region Pars province as well as the root for the term Persian

>>509858093
>The English words magic, mage and magician come from the Latin term magus, through the Greek μάγος, which is from the Old Persian maguš. (𐎶𐎦𐎢𐏁|𐎶𐎦𐎢𐏁, magician). The Old Persian magu- is derived from the Proto-Indo-European megʰ-*magh (be able). The Persian term may have led to the Old Sinitic *Mγag (mage or shaman). The Old Persian form seems to have permeated ancient Semitic languages as the Talmudic Hebrew magosh, the Aramaic amgusha (magician), and the Chaldean maghdim (wisdom and philosophy); from the first century BCE onwards, Syrian magusai gained notoriety as magicians and soothsayers

>Magi: One of the six tribes that comprised the original Medes. The Magi were traditionally considered to be the seers and magicians for the Median kings and even after the Medes were defeated by the Persians (559 BCE) they retained their status as seers and advisors for the royal household; they also officiated at all sacrifices. When king Xerxes was marching to invade Greece, he built a pontoon bridge over the Hellespont; as the Persians were preparing to cross the bridge into Europe (April 480 BCE) there was a solar eclipse and the moon blocked out the sun; the Magi informed Xerxes that this was a symbol of his certain victory because the Greeks worshiped the sun whereas the Persians worshiped the moon; the Magi were wrong and were beheaded for their mistake. The other five tribes of Medes were: Arizanti, Budii, Busae, Paratakeni (Parataceni) and Strukhates (Struchates)

>In Greek mythology, Medus (Ancient Greek: Μῆδος) or Medeus/Medeius (Μηδείας or Μήδειος) was an Athenian prince as the son of King Aegeus, thus a half-brother of the hero Theseus. Medus's mother was the Colchian witch Medea, daughter of King Aeëtes. In some accounts, he was called Polyxenus and his father was Jason, thus a brother of Eriopis

>>509858375
>When Medus came to rule, he secured the command of an army and advanced over a large part of Asia which lies above the Pontus. Conquering the barbarians that live in that neighboring land, he named Media in honor of either himself or his mother Medea. Medeus was also credited to be the founder of Meda in Ecbatana. Medus met his death while marching against the Indians

>In Greek mythology, Medea (/mJˈdiːə/; Ancient Greek: Μήδεια, romanized: Mḗdeia; lit.'planner, schemer') is the daughter of King Aeëtes of Colchis. Medea is known in most stories as a sorceress, an accomplished "pharmakeía" (medicinal magic), and is often depicted as a high-priestess of the goddess Hecate

>Aeëtes was the son of Sun god Helios and the Oceanid Perseis, brother of Circe, Perses and Pasiphaë, and father of Medea, Chalciope and Absyrtus

>Perseis might have also been associated with the witchcraft goddess Hecate, who was also called Perseis (as in "daughter of Perses") and who is said to be Circe's mother in one version

>Crius or Crios (from the Greek Krios, "Ram") was one of the Titans, sons of Uranus and Gaia, also called Megamedes ("Great Lord", in Greek). He is related to the south and to the constellation of Aries, in which the rising of the Sun at the beginning of spring, coming from south to north, marked the beginning of the Greek year

>Crios had as wife his half-sister Eurybia ("Broad Strength"), daughter of Pontus and Gaia and goddess of natural forces and processes related to navigation, such as the rising of the constellations, seasonal weather and wind. He had three children with her: Astraeus, god of the stars and astrology and father of the Winds; Perses, god of destruction and father of Hecate; and Pallas, Titan god of war. Pausanias also gives the dragon Python as his daughter

>In the Orphic religion, Crios, together with Dione, is the ruler of the planet Mars

>>509853772
Little shit got what was coming to him

>>509853772
he was imprisoned by a drunken cobbler who alternatively beat him, starved him, gave him the worst food to gorge himself then got him vomiting drunk. They used all their evil tactics to accuse his mother of sexually molesting him in public court. Truly horrible people, the worst.

Captain Archibald Maule Ramsay wrote The Nameless War and his chapter on the French Revolution is excellent. The women's march on Versailles was actually jewish men disguised in women's clothes...an old trick of jewish Zealot assassins during the era of Flavius Josephus.

>>509859981
>In Greek mythology, the Golden Fleece (Ancient Greek: Χρυσόμαλλον δέρας, romanized: Khrysómallon déras, lit.'Golden-haired pelt') is the fleece of the golden-woolled, winged ram, Chrysomallos, that rescued Phrixus and brought him to Colchis, where Phrixus then sacrificed it to Zeus. Phrixus gave the fleece to King Aeëtes who kept it in a sacred grove, whence Jason and the Argonauts stole it with the help of Medea, Aeëtes' daughter. The fleece is a symbol of authority and kingship

>In the historical account, the hero Jason and his crew of Argonauts set out on a quest for the fleece by order of King Pelias in order to place Jason rightfully on the throne of Iolcus in Thessaly. Through the help of Medea, they acquire the Golden Fleece. The story is of great antiquity and was current in the time of Homer (eighth century BC). It survives in various forms, among which the details vary

>Nephele's children escaped on the yellow ram over the sea, but Helle fell off and drowned in the strait now named after her, the Hellespont. The ram spoke to Phrixus, encouraging him, and took the boy safely to Colchis (modern-day south-east coastal region of the Black Sea), on the easternmost shore of the Euxine (Black) Sea. There the ram was sacrificed to gods. In essence, this act returned the ram to the god Poseidon, and the ram became the constellation Aries

>>509860342
>Little shit got what was coming to him

he was a small child. Torturing small children to death is the crime of a very sick individual. You often find this among hideous middle aged nigger women with ogre like physiognomies. I assume you share those characteristics with them.

>>509860753
go start your own threat to spam. Fuck off.

>>509844598 (OP)
>i have zero knowledge of the french revolution

>>509847231
>>509847855
All false. French Revolution was Egyptian Freemasonry and Cagliostro behind it as usual, with some illuminati fellow travelers
Look up the affair of the diamond necklace, which even Napoleon (himself initiated into the Memphis Rite during the Egypt campaign) admitted really started off the revolution

>>509844598 (OP)
Which French revolution?

>>509844598 (OP)
Based that French culture is dead and France never recovered from this. France will be a primarily Arabic country in 50 years. Everyone thank Voltaire

>>509847231
Notice OP posted an image of a person wearing a Phrygian cap... he knows what he's doing.

>>509847231
>>509861321
Agents of the false light either way, makes no difference to me.

>>509844598 (OP)
The French Revolution is the second worst event in European history.

>>509844598 (OP)
Shut up kike. French revolutionaries were Weimar tier degenerates, and it was conspired by Jews.

My two cents is that Templar were persecuted by Pope as well as French monarchy (who both owed these esoteric heretic bankers a lot of money) and when Jesuits were suppressed they went underground and worked with Templar though Rosicrucianism and underground Bavarian Illuminati (Weishaupt was Jesuit trained) through Freemasonry to foster Jacobin terrorism and the rest is history. Masonic family plant Napoleon took two Popes hostage (first one died) and Jesuits were restored as a result. Napoleon also did Templar revenge dirty work by attacking Knights of Malta who had also betrayed them. Napoleon had a key military advisor who was Jesuit trained and was responsible for his incredible "luck" in battle. What the precise calculous for Napoleon's ultimate failure at Waterloo was is something that can only be answered by Jesuits/Jew bankers and the Illuminati bloodlines that manage both of these groups.

>>509860342
based anon false flagging as a disgusting jew

>>509861321
Cope. The Duke of Orleans was also a member of Memphis-Misraim and friend of his founder Cagliostro (who was a disciple of Althotas, Weishaupt's Egyptian master which was probably Franz Kolmer, a Danish Jew who had moved to the Ottoman Empire to avoid enlistment in the Seven Years' War, discovering and initiating himself in secret Sabatteans remnant groups). Yes, I know Cagliostro conspired against the French Crown before the Revolution in the Affair of the Diamond Necklace, but something you probably don't know is that the Duke of Orleans was seen as the Mashiach by the Great Kabbalists of that time.

>The Prince and the Magician

>Here is a curious episode from the late-eighteenth century world of Freemasonry,the occult and ritual magic. It involves no less a figure than the duc d'Orléans, later Philippe d'Égalité. According to the fullest account, events took place near Orléan's residence at the Château du Raincy, about ten kilometres north-east of Paris. An unnamed Jewish sorcerer led the duke into a forest thicket where an demonic being materialised from a supernatural fire. The apparition conferred on him a talismanic ring and imparted an unknown secret:

>"He conversed for more than an hour with this real or phantasmic figure whose hand sealed an iron ring around his neck. He showed us this ring, but did not confide in us what had been predicted. He only told us "The matter is of the highest importance, but it is a mystery". These are the exact words he used.[D'Allonville, Mémoires secrets (1838), vol. 1, p.145]

>In later commentaries, notably the history by Auguste Viatte published in 1928, the mysterious Jew is identified as Chaim Samuel Jacob Falk, the so-called "Baal Shem of London", a famous Kabbalistic magician of the later eighteenth century. It was generally assumed that the duke had been promised a magical guarantee for his accession to the French throne. [see Viatte, p.184]

>>509844598 (OP)
>The French revolution was based, and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
It was the beginning of French nationalism. Before the revolution, the French language was a collection of dialects in different regions that bordered on being different languages, some of them were so alien to one another. The Revolutionaries required the standardization of French as a way to unify France.
Also, most loyalties before the Revolution were to the local lord, not to France. The Revolution changed that as well.
The Revolution also destroyed the power of the Catholic Church in France, leaving behind another relic of the medieval period. From then on, the nation took preeminence over religion. During the whole period of rising nationalist sentiments across Europe during the 19th century, the church was weakened and public messaging by the state emphasized the importance of one's first loyalty being to the nation and the state.
Eugen Weber's book "Peasants into Frenchmen" is a good read about all of this. Before the Revolution, most people in France were just peasants bound to their lord. They didn't begin to identify as French until after the Revolution.
Nationalist fervor, unleashed by the Revolution, is the whole reason why Napoleon was able to build his gigantic Grande Armee. Before the Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars, European militaries were small and profession and well paid. After the Revolution, European countries turned to conscription of giant cannon fodder armies that were barely paid and that consisted of men told that they have to serve out of national loyalty as a service to the state.
The rising tide of nationalism that began with the Revolution and the contemporary Romantic Era grew until the first half of the 20th century, culminated the Two World Wars, and then didn't begin to decline until the unrest of the 1960s against "the system."

>>509864778
>Duke of Orleans was seen as the Mashiach by the Great Kabbalists of that time
Muh Philip Egalite was a useful idiot at best, but quite possibly hypnotized and manipulated by Mizraite freemasons - much like they'd do with a certain Austrian some 130 years later
Cagliostro used hypnosis all the time, and Mesmer himself was also an initiate to his Rite

>>509849175
Democracy is just a belief system unless every vote can be independently verified and programmatically counted by anyone. Without cryptographic proof, elections are fundamentally untrustworthy, too many single points of failure.
Democracy is fake and gay

>>509864778
>The sources:

>The main primary sources for the tale are two sets of memoirs, the first by the clergyman and naturalist Jean-Louis Soulavie, published in 1801 [Reading 1] and the second by the former royalist army officer d'Allonville, published in 1838 [Reading 2]. Soulavie, whose writings are known to contain a fair amount of fabrication, records Orléans's own account "in almost his own words" - though it is not clear whether Soulavie himself heard him first-hand.D'Allonville's text, though much later, records the testimony of one of d'Orléan's companions at the time, the duc de C*** (?? de Croy). This too contains a version of d'Orléan's own narrative. D'Allonville talked to his informant and took notes in about 1795. He observes that the prince de Léon, who had also been present, added his corroboration

>There is a general sense that some version of the story was well known in the early nineteenth century, at least in Masonic circles. Orléans's execution in 1793 added to the sense of hubris and encouraged a new layer of speculation. The occultist Madame de la Croix imagined that she herself had broken the protective spell conferred on Orléans and sent him to the scaffold [Reading 6]

>When and where was the incident supposed to have taken place?

>D'Allonville writes that he was given an exact date, but his notes had become illegible. He tells us that Orléans was resident at the time at Le Raincy, where he hunted daily with a "crowd of young people". The 19th-century historian Capefigue reasonably infers this would be just after 1785 when Orléans's inherited his title on the death of his father

>As to location, the two sources unfortunately contradict each other. In d'Allonville's version the apparition appears in the forêt de Bondy, quite near to Le Raincy, whereas Soulavie (slightly vaguely) refers to the plain of Villeneuve-Saint-George

>>509865151
>In 1783, the "Order of the Universal Aurora" was founded in Paris. Chief objective of "Universal Aurora" seems to have been the support of Mesmerism. It is reported that Cagliostro was one of its members, which is plausible because Cagliostro was apparently an adept in the hypnotic arts
>A variety of sources claim that Cagliostro worked closely with the mysterious rabbi, Kabbalist and alchemist Dr. Samuel Jacob Falk (1708-1782), the “BaalShem of London”, in developing the Egyptian Rite during his alleged stay in London in 1776. “The angelogical and magical aspects of Cagliostro’s rite certainly have more in common with Jewish than Egyptian traditions” (“The Western Esoteric Tradition”, N. Goodrick-Clarke)

The problem with revolutions is that the ruling class always sneaks back in power. Like French and Russian revolution, never mind the American revolution, you get a bunch of rich people who manage to get in positions of power and they help their friends get wealthy. I think slow incremental change is better because it doesn't rely on some bloody chaotic disruption that causes immense suffering for regular people.

>>509844598 (OP)
There's nothing more based than a bunch of unwashed liberals murdering countless people and turning life into a nightmare.

>>509865292
>In both cases, however, Orléans, is obliged to demonstrate his trust by venturing into a lonely and hostile environment

>What happened?

>According to d'Allonville, the duke was alone in his study when he received an unexpected visit from a Jewish man dressed in rags, who promised to reveal to him a "secret of the highest importance". He was told to go to a particular spot in the forêt de Bondy, where a "personage of remarkable form" would appear to him out of a supernatural fire. The duc de C*** and his companion kept watch whilst Orléans proceeded into the forest as arranged. He later returned in a state of agitation and reported that events had happened as predicted. He showed them an "iron ring" which the apparition has given him - the text says that its hand "sealed an iron ring at his throat". He claimed to have spoken with the phantom for over an hour, but would never reveal, even to his intimates, the promises that had been made

>The idea that Orléans's visitor was sorceror is made explicit in Souvalie's more summary version. Here he is described a "man of an austere and remarkable countenance", who offers to "raise the devil." We are also informed that the magician revisited the duke on several subsequent occasions

>Hostile historians like Capefigue readily accused Orléans of having made up the whole story, in order to take advantage of the supernatural to bolster his claim to the throne. Orléans was after all a Freemason and widely rumoured to be a dabbler in the dark arts. This, of course, remains the most likely conclusion. However, there are certain aspects to the narrative, which remain curious:

>In d'Allonville's version at least, Orléans comes across as genuinely disconcerted. (In own retelling, as reported by Souvalie, he is more in command of the situation, even going so far as to offer the sorcerer money.)

>>509865626
>Filippo Giuseppe Maria Ludovico Buonarroti (1761, called the Father of Revolutionary Socialism) - It appears that he was a Freemason, possibly affiliated to the Illuminati of Bavaria. In 1793, Buonarroti was rewarded for his long revolutionary services by a special decree of nationalization as a French citizen. In 1795, Buonarroti was imprisoned at Paris where he met “Gracchus” Babeuf. Babeuf was the author of the “Manifesto of the Equals”, the so-called first Communist Manifesto. It is alleged that Buonarroti was its co-author. Their manifesto called for the restoration of the unimplemented Constitution of 1793. Buonarroti was an advocate of conspiratorial techniques, which were needed to fight the government. In 1796, Babeuf was executed and Buonarroti was, once again, imprisoned in 1797.
>In 1828, Philippe Buonarroti would publish the classic “Histoire de la Conspiration de l'egalite” (on Babeuf and conspiracy). As stated in the previous paragraph, around 1804 Buonarroti started to make plans for the formation of a “Italian Secret Society with revolutionary intentions”. It is said that in the following years Buonarroti organized, under the cover of Freemasonry, a network of Secret Societies all over France and Italy. Buonarroti was a Babeufist. He favoured the idea of a unification of France and Italy. He envisioned a State which unified the ideas of the democratic revolution of Robespierre and the social revolution of Babeuf. Buonarroti’s vision of Freemasonry unified the “ancienne Maconnerie des Lumieres”, the basic principles of ancient Freemasonry (of Light), and the Carbonari of which he was one of its creators and secret heads. “Seemingly, he organized a Philadelphe group within a Masonic lodge to which he belonged, the Amis Sinceres

>>509845657
>King of France changed into King of the French.
King of a People is the older and more traditional format. Consider Charlemagne, he was King of the Franks not King of France.

>>509866817
>"Allegedly, the reports on Buonarroti were not taken seriously by the French authorities. Buonarroti was left undisturbed by the authorities and around 1808 he founded the SUBLIME MAITRES PARFAITS, which only admitted Freemasons. The S:.M:.P:. represented a secret society which aimed at the destruction of a corrupt society and to build a new one on its ruins. “The Elect were aware that they were to work for a republican form of government; only the Areopagites knew that the final aim of the society was social egalitarianism, and the means to it the abolition of private property.” - J.M. Roberts “The Mythology of Secret Societies”
>The lodges of the “Sublimes Maitres Parfaits” were united with the “Ventes” of the French Carbonari. Rene Witzhard (“Memphis-Misraim, une Maconncrie entre Drapeaux Noirs et Cardinaux Blancs”, Or--, de Vauvert) states that Pierre-Joseph Briot and Charles Teste were both close associates of Buonarroti. Both Briot and Teste, under the direction of Buonarroti, organized the Carbonari in Italy under French rule, first at Genoa and then at Naples, where they shifted its center. Witzhard calls this form of Carboneria the “second form”; its nature was “PRECOMMUNISTE ET MISRAIMITE”
>Briot, Buonarroti, and Teste belonged to the most prominent and eminent members of the “Oriental Rite of Misraim”. And not only that, they were also one of the most influential and ardent members of the rite.

>>509867010
>When a German conspirator named Witt von Doring was interrogated by the Police in Bayreuth in 1824, he declared that true Carbonarism was concealed in the highest degrees of the “Rite of Misraim”. Witt von Doring’s statement indicates that at the apex of the cellular and pyramidal structure of the “Charbonnerie” was the Rite of Misraim. I have also stated in chapter three that the French authorities at the time used the term “Maconnerie noire”, black Masonry, when referring to the “Rite of Misraim” and its revolutionary intentions. The “Maconnerie noire” was led by those members who held the Arcana Arcanorum degrees, the superior degrees of the rite.

>"Allegedly, the “Rite of Memphis” was the (structural) starting-point of the founders, but they developed a new atheistic form of the rite. It is said that within this “Reformed Rite of Memphis” there was a “Gymnosophist lodge” which allegedly brought forth the founder of socialism, Pierre Leroux. Most of these Gymnosophist lodges later joined the “Philadelphes”." (Witzhard)

>In Italy, the ideals of the Carbonari were continued by a patriotic society that was founded in 1831, “Young Italy”. The movement was led by Giuseppe Mazzini (1805-1872) and consisted of many Italian exiles who lived in Marseille. One of these exiles was Giuseppe Garibaldi (1807-1882). The whole movement would become known as the “Risorgimento”. Members of this movement were behind the foundation of the “Totenbund” in Germany, which was dedicated to the “assassination of tyrants”. Mazzini and Garibaldi were the successors to the Italian Carbonari. Both men were Freemasons. It is often claimed that they re-organized the Carbonari to which they added the high degrees of Egyptian Masonry. In 1881, Garibaldi is said to have united the rites of Memphis with Misrai'm

>>509867250
>At the time of the 1848 revolutions, Mazzini was living in exile in England. According to the Grand Commander of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in America, Mazzini was the first head of modern Freemasonry in Italy (...) both Mazzini and Garibaldi were (possible) members of a Masonic revolutionary lodge in London called LES PHILADELPHES. This lodge is said to have worked a new atheistic form of the Rite of Memphis, the “Reformed Rite of Memphis”
>LES PHILADELPHES is believed to be Karl Marx’s lodge, his brothers including Blanc, Garibaldi, and Mazzini

>Giuseppe Garibaldi viewed Freemasonry as a political organization and “took no direct interest in the Craft.” This statement is, of course, made by regular Freemasons. These Masons forget that Freemasonry and politics walked of equal step at the time. Mazzini and Garibaldi were Carbonarists. They re-organized the Carbonari movement to which they added the high degrees of Egyptian Masonry

>Official masonry in France was never a factor in the formation and development of the First International. But in the France of the Second Empire there existed not only the official masonry recognized by the government, but also an underground masonic movement, persecuted by the government because it sought the revolutionary overthrow of the Empire. The role of these undercover, government-persecuted masons in the forming and developing of the First International was enormous.

>We now know the names of approximately 100 members of their principal lodges; these lodges operated in England, and brought together primarily, but not exclusively, French emigres. These materials, together with the émigré publications of the period, make it possible for us to begin to understand the history of these masons, the political activities of their leaders, and their relation to the First International. It is important to determine the nature of these groups, which for the sake of brevity we are calling revolutionary masonry.

>>509867634
>Outwardly, these groups had the form of a masonic organization and bore a masonic name, the Lodge of the Philadelphians (Loge des Philadelphes). Some of the members may in fact have considered themselves masons. But veteran masons, those who headed the lodges, must have realized that their lodges had little in common with real masonry.

>Who precisely were the founders of the Lodge is unknown. Yet if we juxtapose the names on Bossu's list with those of known political activists among the French emigres, we find a close connection between early members of the Lodge and a political grouping known as La Commune Revolutionnaire, which emerged soon afterward. All the outstanding leaders of the Commune were apparently members of the Lodge,

>The Lodge of the Philadelphians was formally part of an association that, at the beginning of the 1850's, bore the name of the Order of Memphis. The history of this order is obscure. The Philadelphians (...) trace their forebears to ancient Egyptian priests and to the legendary Chaldean magi who went to Bethlehem to pay tribute to the Christ child, but they preserved the 96 grades of initiation and the post of Le Grand Hierophante at their head. At the same time, almost from the moment the Philadelphians appeared on the scene during the July Monarchy, they tended to draw support from left-wing, even extreme-left-wing, elements. The historian is faced with the paradox that whereas Jean-Etienne Marconi, founder and head of the order for many years, was utterly indifferent to politics, the Supreme Council of the order for 1855 was composed entirely of Republicans and Socialists who sat with the extreme left in the National Assembly of 1848-49.

>>509866065
>D'Allonville's informer prefaces his account with a strange ghost story, which seems a complete non sequitur. Over three successive evenings immediately prior to the appearance of the Jewish magician, Orléans and his hunting party encountered a man dressed in white, mounted on a white horse. The figure eluded their pursuit and was apparently immune to bullets. Locals said that he was the spirit of a murdered miller

>There are odd details in the narrative, notably the mention of a supernatural fire and the inclusion of an iron ring. Neither fires nor rings are unknown to the Kabbalistic tradition - indeed Falk is recorded as conjuring up a flame in one of his treasure quests. However, there are no very clear magical precedents

>Madame Gontaut [Reading 3] confirms that the duke did indeed own a iron ring (presumably a finger-ring) which he wore tied round his neck. She relates a curious incident in which he brandished it against a wild, almost naked man who surprised him in his carriage. (Was this perhaps the magician himself?)

>What about Falk?

>Thanks largely to the researches of Marsha Schuchard, we now know a great deal more about Samuel Falk who was mentor to Swedenborg and a well-known figure among London Freemasons and occultists. At one stage Falk even attempted to use ritual magic to restore the fortunes of Theodore von Neuhof, the deposed king of Corsica. However, there seems little reason to identify him with Orléans's Kabbalistic magician. Falk died in 1783 and, besides, what on earth would Falk have been doing in the Île-de-France? William Beckford, who knew his disciple Loutherbourg, makes no mention of Falk in his discussion of Orléan's encounter [Reading 4]

>>509867884
>Portrait of Falk, attributed to the mystic landscape artist and set designer, Philip James de Loutherbourg. Falk holds a compass and points to a star depicting the elements, both clear Masonic symbols

>The situation is no doubt muddled by the existence of a separate tradition which asserts (little more) that Falk met Orléans in London, and presented him with a talismanic ring, in this case of lapis lazuli. At the time of his execution the ring was passed on via an intermediary to his son Louis- Philippe. The only eighteenth-century source that I can find for all this is the German occultist Baron von Gleichen who imagined Falk to be "first rabbi of the Jews" [Reading 6]. Most other references derive from unpleasant and suspect nineteenth-century anti-semitic works, though unfortunately the information has also found its way into the article on "Falk" in the Jewish Encyclopedia

>References

>Auguste Viatte, Les sources occultes du romantisme (1928) [For loan on Internet Archive]

>Joscelyn Godwin, The Theosophical Enlightenment (1994), p.101 [Preview on Google Books]

>M.K. Schuchard, "Dr. Samuel Jacob Falk: A Sabbatian Adventurer in the Masonic Underground", Millenarianism and Messianism in early modern European culture (2001) p203-26 https://www.academia.edu/43458620/Falk

>Gordon P.G. Hills, who studied references to Falk in the Rainsford manuscripts in the British Museum, is said to have been informed by Jewish sources that Falk was "in touch with the French Court in the person of 'Prince Emanuel' (/?Swedenborg perhaps), whom he describes as "a servant of the King of France"; he added that the talismanic ring which he gave to the duc d'Orleans "is still in the possession of the family, having passed to King Louis Philippe and thence to the comte de Paris" (Quoted in Nesta Webster, Secret Societies And Subversive Movements - I can't find the original reference)

>>509867835
>It seems clear that the Lodge of the Philadelphians was, by its very nature, one of those secret societies which outwardly imitated the masons but which were essentially conspiratorial political organizations. The Lodge itself did not openly engage in political activities, unless one regards the banquets it organized as such activities. For political occasions it created special organizations, which formally led an independent existence but in fact were under the complete control of the Lodge, which used them as political instruments.

>That the International Association, the Commune Revolutionnaire, and the Philadelphians were all organizations of the old conspiratorial type is evident from their pronounced sympathy for individual acts of political terror (...) It is important to stress that the Philadelphians, too, and apparently all societies connected with them organizationally, must be regarded as sympathizing with individual acts of political terror. The attitudes of these groups toward the terrorist activities organized by Mazzini and his supporters leads us to this conclusion.

>The part played by individual Philadelphians in [the founding of the First International in] 1864 was enormous; Victor Le Lubez, to name only the most important, personally undertook the tremendous work of organizing the meeting of September 28, 1864, at which the General Council of the First International was elected. (...) they never for a minute abandoned their conspiratorial traditions, and from the very beginning planned to use the new International, an alliance of workers' organizations, for the purpose of strengthening their own organization. Whenever possible, they tried to place their own people, who shared their views on tactics, in leading positions in the new International. The General Council of the International was selected by Le Lubez, and included a large and influential group of Philadelphians.

>>509844598 (OP)
and the french became irrelevant to world history

>>509868340
>The contemporary “Grande Loge Francaise de Misraim” states that it is almost certain that the Bedarride brothers, being Jewish themselves, were also attracted to these Jewish lodges. The French Military Lodges in the occupied territories of Italy are said to have attracted a lot of Italian Jews. One such lodge was LES AMIS DE L’UNION PARFAITE, founded by officers of the French garrison at Livorno. Many Jews were members of this lodge. It is possible that the Bedarrides used to frequent this Italian Jewish Cabalistic circle and found there an excellent source on which they based their vision towards certain mystic higher degrees
>The “Ordre Maçonnique de Misraim” recruited eminent aristocratic personages as well as republicans and Bonapartists, and even the revolutionary Carbonari. Among them such men as Pierre Joseph Briot, member of a republican society which was commonly referred to as “Philadelphes” (1), or Charles Teste, the younger brother of the Baron Franqois Teste, lieutenant Philippe Buonarroti, the founder of the “Sublimes Maitres Parfaits” (the first, what can be termed, international political secret society. The S.M.P. only admitted Freemasons) and co-author, with Babeuf, of the “Manifesto of the Equals”. Briot was a proponent of a united and independent Italy. It is stated that he was involved in the establishment of the first Carbonari lodges. He apparently was “invited to Naples by Joseph Napoleon where he met Lucien Bonaparte and Saliceti. This may be the origins of the first Carbonari lodges in 1808. Many of the French officials in Naples supported and encouraged the growth of local patriotism

>>509844598 (OP)
it was based right goy?

>>509868883
>The history before 1814 remains mysterious, but the following personages are among the (likely) propagators, instigators, and driving forces of the “Rite of Misraim”: Parenti, Cesar Tassoni, Charles Lechangeur, Theodore Cerbes, Vitta Polaco, Armand Gaborria, Garcia (Italy), Pierre de Lasalle, Joseph Briot, Alexander Du Mege, Francois Joly, Gad Bedarride and his sons Michel, Marc, and Joseph (France).
>The first Misraim lodge was established in Paris on May 19th 1815, lodge L’ARC EN CIEL. The Mother Lodge L’ARC EN CIEL was an instant success and, being the Mother Lodge of the rite, would be in continuous operation until 1925. This date, May 19, 1815, is referred to as the official birth of the “Rite of Misraim” in France
>It is also interesting to note that Ragon once referred to the “Rite of Misraim” of the Bedarrides as the “Judaic Rite” (the Bedarrides were Jewish and the rite had a strong Jewish membership).

>The relationship between Misrai'm and the Carbonari was enough reason for the authorities to forbid the rite. Through the years, the “Rite of Misra'im” had become a refuge to Republicans, Jacobites, revolutionary Carbonari, and even Bonapartists. After Napoleon’s downfall in 1814, (...) thousands of former revolutionaries were murdered by royalist mobs. This era of French history would become known as the “White Terror”. Allegedly, the “Rite of Misra'im” had become the spearhead of the Republican opposition and the Carbonari, the enemies of the “Ancien Regime” and the Catholic Church.

>“...that above all else, one must attribute their progress upon a doctrine which is anti-monarchic and anti-religious which they possess.... In climbing from degree to degree, the adept learns that the goal of these sectarians is the establishment of atheism and a universal republic.” French Police report from 1822

>>509869273
>The “Rite of Misrai'm” was a continuation of this Masonic current. The foundation of Misrai'm was build on the following pillars; Romanticism - Democracy - Judaism - Republican - Revolutionist. “Tolerance and freedom of thought” were the key-words of Misrai'm. Tolerance and freedom of thought, as promoted by the rite, attracted the Republicans and the Carbonari. The “Rite of Misraim” was a rite that wanted to establish a kind of mysticism where the initiate, through Kabbalistic operations, can be identified as a God (the Divine spark in each of us), a rite which wanted to subvert the Bible by denouncing its dogmas, and a rite which strived after the realization of a “universal Republic” through its political activism.

>The Misraimite is an occultist who seeks direct contact with the Divine, through the use of experimental techniques directed at the inner planes - the invisible worlds - Kabbalah, Magnetism, Dreams.

>One of the high dignitaries of the “Rite of Misraim” was Isaac-Adolphe Cremieux (Isaac Moise Cremieux, 1796-1880). Cremieux is said to have reintroduced Misraim in England in late 1870. “The Freemason” reported on 31 December that a Supreme Council General of the 90° had been regularly formed here “under the authority conveyed in a diploma granted to the Bro. Cremieux, 33° of the Rite Ecossais, and a member of the Grand College of Rites in France”.

>>509869547
Adolphe Cremieux, a lawyer and radical left-wing politician, was also the instigator of the foundation of a universal Jewish organization which fought against segregation and persecution of Jews throughout the world. This was the “Alliance Israelite Universelle”. On May 17, 1860, the “Appel de 1'Alliance”, the founding text of the organization, was drawn up by six (rather young) French Jews. Cremieux did not want to come to the fore, but in 1863 he became the president of the “Universal Israelite Alliance”. Cremieux had played an important part in the revolutionary movements of 1848 and had joined, together with Leon Gambetta (Freemason), the “Government of National Defense” (1870-71) as Minister of Justice.

>>509844915
It was gay as aids. Rebelled against a tax? Nah nigger, aristocrats wanted land and power to themselves and common man did the dying. Fuck those masons and DEATH TO THE JEWSA

>>509844598 (OP)
I don’t think it was that important or influential. Napoleon (or a man like him) would have risen anyway.
The French Revolution didn’t actually impose on America or Britain or Germany or Russia. Those countries declined independently of France.

>>509869685
“Just as the Rite of Misrai'm gathered the Jacobites who felt nostalgia for the Republic and the Carbonari, the Rite of Memphis regrouped the veterans of the Grand Army and the Bonapartites who had remained faithful to the Eagle” source : Association Memphis-Mizraim, London U.K

>The “Rite of Memphis” was a de-Judaised and de-Cabalized version of the “Rite of Misrai'm” in which the ancient Egyptian civilization was emphasized. As stated in a previous chapter, ancient Egypt was considered to be the cradle of Christianity in the 18th and 19th century. The esoteric authorities at the time were convinced that Moses was an initiate of the Pharaonic mysteries; he is the Biblical Christian link to Egypt. So in general, when Masonry talks about a rite being “Egyptianized”, one has to understand that the “Egyptianization” was established under the command of Christianity (in Memphis’ case, under the command of Saint-Mark). Memphis has Ormus as its legendary founder. Ormus was also mentioned by the German Golden Rosicrucians and by members of the Philalethes. The “Rite of Memphis” refers to the same tradition as e.g. Baron de Tschoudy referred to; a Hermetic-Gnostic tradition that was introduced in Europe by the Templars and continued by the Freemasons and Rosicrucians until this day

>The English “Reformed Rite of Memphis” presented a new atheistic form of the “Rite of Memphis”. It appears that the “Ordre Maqonnique Reforme de Memphis” attracted many Socialists (see Chapter V). The rite united French Memphites, Misra'imites and Carbonaxists. Charles Bradlaugh, editor of the radical newspaper the “National Reformer” and a leader in the secular (non-religious) movement in England, acknowledged to have been initiated into the LOGE DES PHILADELPHES in London.

>>509845421
This, the US is nothing more than a material land grab wrapped up in those Jewish Stars and Stripes.

>>509847231
Carlos!!!

>>509864894
>It was the beginning of French nationalism. Before the revolution, the French language was a collection of dialects in different regions that bordered on being different languages, some of them were so alien to one another. The Revolutionaries required the standardization of French as a way to unify France

>Also, most loyalties before the Revolution were to the local lord, not to France. The Revolution changed that as well

>The Revolution also destroyed the power of the Catholic Church in France, leaving behind another relic of the medieval period. From then on, the nation took preeminence over religion. During the whole period of rising nationalist sentiments across Europe during the 19th century, the church was weakened and public messaging by the state emphasized the importance of one's first loyalty being to the nation and the state

All Freemasonry is Neoplatonic even before being Kabbalistic, the Gnostic ideas (originally from the Pagan Mysteries) were brought from the Orient after the fall of the Byzantine Empire with the migratory flow to Italy/West Europe in Renaissance. Medieval Balkan and Byzantium was already swarming with neo-gnostic/pagan sects. Under the Turks these converted to Islam, basically became the Sufi orders that were so active there and on the Crimean Khanate.

Eastern Roman Empire was the most advanced state during the Middle Ages. While the rest of Europe was living in absolute squalor, Eastern Roman Empire was having a Golden Age. Their sheer wealth and knowledge made them complacent to barbarians hordes which is what the Western part of the Empire succumbed to 1,000 years prior. Not to mention the fucking western crusaders that sacked Constantinople and set for the decline of the Empire. It was that they looted and Greek scholars running away Constantinople when it was conquered by the Turks that Europe experienced a Renaissance.

>>509869685
>Bradlaugh associated with Annie Besant, who would later head the main remnant of the original Theosophic Society that was founded by H.P. Blavatsky in 1875, and who would be responsible for founding the British Federation of the Co-Masonic “Le Droit Humain”. Allegedly, the “brethren” with whom Bradlaugh associated, included such illustrious characters as Louis Blanc, Garibaldi and Mazzini. Bradlaugh and his fellow Masons of the “Philadelphes” in England allegedly perceived Freemasonry as “an institution essentially philanthropical, philosophical and progressive. It has for its objects the amelioration of mankind without any distinction of class, colour or opinion, either philosophical, political or religious; for its unchangeable motto: Liberty,Equality, Fraternity”

>“Apparently, Briot was already affiliated to the Rite of MisraTm in 1810. Pierre Joseph Briot is said to have incorporated the initiatic tradition with a kind of socialism, which became known as Carbonarism.”~ Rene Witzhard ~

>These political lodges, or secret societies, were known under various names: Le PALLADIUM, Le PHILADELPHES, d’ADELPHES, or the SOCIETE DE REGENERATION EUROPEENNE. It appears that many of these groups were also inspired by the ideas and philosophy of the Bavarian “Illuminati” (“Ordo Illuminati”, founded by Adam Weishaupt in 1766). Weishaupt’s ideas were strongly influenced by the philosophy of Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778 ) and the anti-Christian doctrines of the Manicheans. After the French Revolution, when Napoleon conquered large parts of Italy, many French Masons (who served under Napoleon in Italy) established their lodges in Italy. Italian sources claim that the Carbonari sprang from these Masonic lodges, with its rituals, symbols and almost equal rules and regulations

>>509851370
diddy ahh blut hat

>>509844598 (OP)
I'm Right Wing which, by literal definition, means I reject the French Revolution. Anyone who doesn't is Left Wing. That's literally where the term comes from.

>>509844598 (OP)
Bitter commies? Imagine how bad things would have been if Naloleon wasnt able to salvage the movement after the goblins unleashed the scarlet ROT.

>>509870194
From the knowledge the Greek Romans gracefully brought with them to Italy to lift Europe out of its miserable state. Europe was the most backwards part of the world at that time. Rest of the world was flourishing.

It wasn’t until the fall of Constantinople that the West Europe became the center of Christendom. During the fall, many Eastern scholars, mystics, and occultists made their way west and brought with them things that had been lost to west europeans for 1000 years including philosophy, theology, and many forgotten heresies. Because the west europeans had lost their ancient traditions they were susceptible to tem (you still see this trend playing out with modern Western obsession with Hinduism, Buddhism, etc...). None of these heresies and mysticisms are new to the Orthodox Church. They’ve been well aware of Phariseeism, Manicheanism, and Gnosticism since 3rd century. They’ve had ongoing dialogue with Pharisaic Jews and rabbinic traditions.

Greco-Roman Antiquity is an immense source of inspiration for anyone who wants to think about politics and society without having to make reference to Christianity. This is visible already in the Renaissance, since it was important for a lot of city-states and principalities to have some authority while the pope and his army lived at their gates, not to mention the Austrian invasions to the north. They "rediscovered" the ancients at that time, like Aristotle and Cicero, for example, and this became a source for talking about politics without having to talk about God. It is in this context that you can find some works by Dante and Marsilius of Padua, for example. Although the group still wanted to be moral and correct, the rupture only happened with Machiavelli, who even threw away the wisdom of the ancients as well.

>>509870244
>In various official police-rapports the relationship between the Carbonari and the Oriental Rite of Misrai'm is confirmed. A French Police report from 1822, addressed to the official Simon Duplay, stated: “...that above all else, one must attribute their progress upon a doctrine which is anti-monarchic and antireligious which they possess.... In climbing from degree to degree, the adept learns that the goal of these sectarians is the establishment of atheism and a universal republic”.

>The Mother Lodge of the “Ordre Maconnique de Misrai'm”, ARC-EN-CIEL, was officially in Paris established on May 19, 1815. The date of creation of lodge “Arc-en-Ciel” is also the official date of birth of the “Rite of Misrai'm” in France. Many sources claim that the first members of the Mother Lodge were mainly Bonapartists and Carbonari and that this lodge was established in discordance with the basic Masonic guidelines (landmarks) of Freemasonry. The official birth of Misrai'm coincides with the so-called “Hundred Days” of Napoleon Bonaparte. Napoleon escaped Elba and marched to Paris, thousands of Frenchmen joined up to restore the Empire under Napoleon. These events occurred between March 1 and June 22, 1815, and ended with Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo

>The “Rite of Misrai'm” had become the spearhead of the Republican opposition and the Carbonari, the enemies of the Ancien Regime and the Catholic Church.

>>509849589
It began in England, you dumb nigger

>>509870573
To a large extent, the great monotheistic religions are averse to local loyalties, after all the kingdom is not of this world, they are universalist and everyone is equal. But in the case of Greece and republican Rome there is a lot written about the problem of how to reconcile the individual with his community and nothing about a world under a single faith or anything like that (being faithful to your land meant hating foreigners). Hence the ideology of republicanism and the aspirations for self-government without references to kings (from then on seen as tyrants), without fear of divisions in society due to religious conflicts (everyone is loyal to the sovereign, in this case, the nation), and etc. A source of inspiration for patriotism, a feeling that was greatly weakened throughout the Middle Ages.

In the pic related, a painting by Jacques-Louis David, which, despite being from 1784, i.e before the French Revolution, already demonstrates the strength of this ideal. It is the representation of a story where two friendly families (brothers from one are married to sisters from another, something like that), one family from Rome and the other from Alba Longa. However, with a war between the two cities, it is decided that the fight will be reduced to two groups from each and it just so happens that the two families find themselves in conflict. In the painting, we can see the moment when the three Horace brothers (Romans) swear an oath to their father while the women only cry and do not understand what honor is.

>>509870629
>“Speculative Masonry came to Egypt, following the French occupation in 1798. General Kleber, together with other Masonic officers, and with the blessing of Napoleon Bonaparte, agreed to establish a lodge by the name of ISIS which became dormant after the failure of Napoleon's military campaign” (Leon Zeldis, “Freemasonry in Israel”). Several authors claim that Napoleon Bonaparte was initiated into Freemasonry by Jean Baptiste Kleber (1753-1800). Allegedly, Napoleon’s initiation took place in lodge “Isis”. Other sources claim Napoleon was one of the founders of the Isis lodge.

>(...) Frank Maas claims, in his book “De Egyptische Vrijmetselarij”, that Napoleon Bonaparte received the first degree from the “Rite of Misraim”. There are many stories about Napoleon’s involvement with Freemasonry; the majority are set in Egypt. The lodge at Cairo, “Isis”, is said to have had among its members many of the scientists and French officers who accompanied Napoleon to Egypt, as well as notable Egyptians who were supposedly initiated into the mysteries of the pyramids.
>“Evidently, included in Napoleon's campaign to Egypt, was some great mission, for in the annals of the Rite of Memphis, it is so denominated. The Mission to Egypt, they called it" - J. Sellers, “Timeline of the authentic Tradition 1791-1800"

>>509870709
Another cope. Just to show you how wrong you are, I'll talk about the relationship between this with the Scottish Rite and the Confederate States of America:

The American Civil War began in Charleston, South Carolina, the birthplace of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, founded by a group of 11 men, 5 of whom were Sephardic Jews, who were supporters of Jacobitism, an ideology that advocated the return of the British Crown to the House of Stuart, which had been expelled from Scotland to France. These men were prominent slaveholders in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) who fled the Haitian Revolution to Louisiana and, decades later, would found the Southern secessionist movement in Charleston. South Carolina would be the first state to secede after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States in 1860, starting the American Civil War at Fort Sumter.

How did these Jews get involved? The feudal attitude of the American Gentry (the Southern elite of lower Cavalier descent who owned the majority of slaves) brought with it a disdain for the bourgeoisie/commerce, shared with the old British nobility. So the South allowed them to come in and fill that niche. They were white enough, often drawn from the stores that sold them their slaves, to serve as a useful business broker/solicitor for a landlord class more concerned with crops than stock prices.

Because of this, Sephardic Jews were prominent in Confederate intelligence and government, with Judah P. Benjamin (Confederate Secretary of War, Secretary of Finance, and Attorney General) being the first Jew to hold a cabinet position in North America. Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion", assisted Confederate politician William Porcher Miles in designing the Confederate battle flag.

>>509870755
>Today the Memphis-Misraim Rite is practiced all over the world, both by separate and unified organizations, divided amongst various so-called “Sovereign Sanctuaries”.(...) the rite has always attracted free-thinkers and occultists alike. Therefore the rite is sometimes also referred to as an “Esoteric Masonic Rite”. Many of the most famous occultists and mystics of the 19th and 20th Century can be found among its members and leaders such as; H.P. Blavatsky, John Yarker, Franz Hartmann, Papus, Arthuro Reghini, Arnold Krumm Heller, Theodor Reuss, Rudolf Steiner, Jean Bricaud, Charles Detre (Teder), Aleister Crowley, Constant Chevillon, Charles-Henri Dupont, Harvey Spencer Lewis,Victor Blanchard, Jean Mallinger, Robert Ambelain, and many others

>>509870709
No the Goose and GridIron was Scotland.

>>509870709
Another cope. Just to show you how wrong you are, I'll talk about the relationship between this with the Scottish Rite and the Confederate States of America:

Few people know this, but the American Civil War began in Charleston, South Carolina, the birthplace of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, founded by a group of 11 men, 5 of whom were Sephardic Jews, who were supporters of Jacobitism, an ideology that advocated the return of the British Crown to the House of Stuart, which had been expelled from Scotland to France. These men were prominent slaveholders in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) who fled the Haitian Revolution to Louisiana and, decades later, would found the Southern secessionist movement in Charleston.

South Carolina would be the first state to secede after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States in 1860, starting the American Civil War at Fort Sumter. How did these Jews get involved? The feudal attitude of the American Gentry (the Southern elite of lower Cavalier descent who owned the majority of slaves) brought with it a disdain for the bourgeoisie/commerce, shared with the old British nobility. So the South allowed them to come in and fill that niche. They were white enough, often drawn from the stores that sold them their slaves, to serve as a useful business broker/solicitor for a landlord class more concerned with crops than stock prices.

Because of this, Sephardic Jews were prominent in Confederate intelligence and government, with Judah P. Benjamin (Confederate Secretary of War, Secretary of Finance, and Attorney General) being the first Jew to hold a cabinet position in North America. Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion", assisted Confederate politician William Porcher Miles in designing the Confederate battle flag. Moise specifically suggested that Miles make the flag appear "less Christian" compared to his earlier designs.

>>509870709
Another cope. Just to show you how wrong you are, I'll talk about the relationship between this with the Scottish Rite and the Confederate States of America:

Few people know this, but the American Civil War began in Charleston, South Carolina, the birthplace of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, founded by a group of 11 men, 5 of whom were Sephardic Jews, who were supporters of Jacobitism, an ideology that advocated the return of the British Crown to the House of Stuart, which had been expelled from Scotland to France. These men were prominent slaveholders in Saint-Domingue (Haiti) who fled the Haitian Revolution to Louisiana and, decades later, would found the Southern secessionist movement in Charleston.

South Carolina would be the first state to secede after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States in 1860, starting the American Civil War at Fort Sumter. How did these Jews get involved? The feudal attitude of the American Gentry (the Southern elite of lower Cavalier descent who owned the majority of slaves) brought with it a disdain for the bourgeoisie/commerce, shared with the old British nobility. So the South allowed them to come in and fill that niche. They were white enough, often drawn from the stores that sold them their slaves, to serve as a useful business broker/solicitor for a landlord class more concerned with crops than stock prices.

Because of this, Sephardic Jews were prominent in Confederate intelligence and government, with Judah P. Benjamin (Confederate Secretary of War, Secretary of Finance, and Attorney General) being the first Jew to hold a cabinet position in North America. Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion", assisted Confederate politician William Porcher Miles in designing the Confederate battle flag. Moise specifically suggested that Miles make the flag appear "less Christian" compared to his earlier designs.

>>509871724
Near the end of the war, Lincoln would be assassinated by famous actor John Wilkes Booth, a member of a secret society called the Knights of the Golden Circle.

The Knights of the Golden Circle became very wealthy by establishing completely unrestricted slave companies that could maximize profits. Their original plan was to try to have the US invade and conquer everything throughout the Caribbean (Cuba, Haiti/Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, etc.) and all the Central American countries bordering the Gulf of Mexico (which would form a "Golden Circle") in order to bring back the old colonial slave systems with little oversight. When that failed, they attempted to secede as a Confederacy and eventually attempted to expand southward. They also attempted to gain control of Mexico and South American countries in order to bring back Slavery through mercenaries known as Filibusters.

But yes, the Lost Cause was literally invented decades after the fact when rednecks, who are mostly descended from plebeian families of indentured servants/religious outcasts, were tricked by the Gentrys who despised them before the Civil War and, since they had lost their slaves, made them think that they were both closer and of noble/aristocratic origin because they were white, using them as a political weapon against their former black servants.

Many of the Confederate statues that were removed some time ago by BLM were not even a century old. There were some that were erected shortly after the war for purposes of reconciliation among veterans, but many were erected in the 1920s, 1930s, or even 1950s or 1960s to score political points among anti-civil rights groups with no real ties to the Confederacy other than geography.

>>509865151
>possibly hypnotized and manipulated by Mizraite freemasons
Like they discovered something in egypt maybe?

>>509871804
What a proud brown ethnostate, kek

>>509844598 (OP)
weird hat.

>>509845421
do tell more

Revolutions always end up benefiting certain long noses. Sometimes certain longnoses bankroll such revolutions. Sometimes they bankroll the revolution and the counter revolution. Sometimes, their diaper-wearer servants do another thing this and there. I mean, just the US had a diaper wearer as the maximum figure of what liberty and such should be. I distrust everything that occurs with long noses and diaper wearers in high positions and leading roles

>>509871804
The South would look a lot like an archetypical banana republic crossed with South Africa and Rhodesia. The wealthy aristocracy owning the bulk of the land and means of production, ton of number of dirt poor white subsistence farmers, and a majority non-white population of increasingly agitated slaves and free ones encouraging them (The Haitian Revolution began this way because of the loss of rights of the Mulattoes in Saint-Domingue to the Petit-blancs, which the Mulattoes saw as absurd since they contributed more to the colonial slave economy and had been there longer than them). Not a recipe for long term stability.

The economy was (and in some areas, still is) based on exportation of raw, unprocessed or barely processed materials. Cotton, tobacco, sugarcane, lumber, etc. Expect to see minimal industrialization and an economy that lacks much in the way of a middle class. It's usually cheaper for the elites to use repression versus giving concessions to the populace, so expect the rise of powerful secret police, brutal crackdowns on both slaves and as time goes on increasingly impoverished whites, and a lot of disappearances. The late 19th century anarchist and Marxist movements would absolutely terrify the aristocracy with visions of dirt poor whites and free blacks cooperating against them; I'd bet good money on something like the Paris Commune taking place in New Orleans due to the city's differing culture, attitude towards race, and lack of nearby power centers.

Probably a bloody Spartacist uprising analogue within a few decades of the war's end, and quite likely a Confederate Civil War between states trying to leave and those wanting to keep them in at some point (the CSA constitution was ironically anti-secession and restricted state's rights). Mexico, the Union, and European powers in the Caribbean would definitely be working to fuel subversive elements in the CSA, particularly if the Golden Circle conspiracy started rearing it's head.

>>509846616
sure, but what did the upper classes ever do for them? the upper classes couldn't help them, since they relied on them existing for them to exist. because after all, that's how hierarchies work. for something called middle classes and upper classes to exist, a lower class must by definition also exist. so therefore, really, the lower classes have zero reason to ally with any of the classes above them, since the classes above them have every single reason in the world to keep the lower classes where they are and not allow them to advance anywhere and certainly not upwards..

>>509844598 (OP)
>>509844915
The Ancien Regime was based and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>509871846
Exactly

>>509872426
>the CSA constitution was ironically anti-secession and restricted state's rights

The CSA constitution aldo writers refused to add a provision to the constitution allowing for a lawful and clearly enumerated right of secession lol.

>"Meanwhile, an even greater shocker rose to the floor of the Senate. On February 5 [1863], the Senate heard a proposed amendment to the Confederate Constitution that would allow an aggrieved state to secede from the Confederacy. "It shall do so in peace," read the proposal, "but shall be entitled to its pro rata share of property and be liable for its pro rata share of public debt to be determined by negotiation." The idea was referred to the Judicial Committee. Two days later senators failed to recommend the amendment, and the whole thing was dropped as a dangerous idea."

>Southern Historical Society Papers, 48: 60, 80."

The word "tariff" does not appear anywhere in the CSA constitution. "Tax" appears 6 times. It is made pointedly clear that taxes, duties etc. (tariffs basically) are to be set by Congress and uniform across all the States. Go figure, that's how it was before they left -- yknow, back when they (Democrats) were writing the US tariff code.

"Slave" appears 10 times. "Property" 6 times, 4 of which are in direct reference to slaves. Slavery literally gets more play in the CSA Constitution than fucking taxes, which for a founding document of a nation is just absolutely crazy. Like 98% of what a government is and does is taxing and spending taxes.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp#a5

The American Constitution banned importation of slaves after 20 years. The CSA Constitution lifted this ban and even so Dixoids accuse the North of violating the States' Rights guaranteed by the Constitution which they themselves do not follow and adulterated.

>>509847981
it really was, if you think about it. because who are the people who always somehow survive wars? the middle classes, the "professionals" and such, the tradies and engineers and the doctors and the nobles and all those cunts who are too important to die in some stupid war, somewhere. too critical for a country to function optimally without them. too important to die.

>>509871724
>>509871804
>>509872426
>>509872581
>The seed or the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence on the higher degrees may have been a careless and unsubstantiated remark made by John Noorthouk in the 1784 Book of Constitutions of the Premier Grand Lodge of London. It was stated, without support, that King Charles II (older brother and predecessor to James II) was made a Freemason in the Netherlands during the years of his exile (1649–60). However, there were no documented lodges of Freemasons on the continent during those years. The statement may have been made to flatter the fraternity by claiming membership for a previous monarch. This folly was then embellished by John Robison (1739–1805), a professor of Natural Philosophy at the University of Edinburgh, in an anti-Masonic work published in 1797. The lack of scholarship exhibited by Robison in that work caused the Encyclopædia Britannica to denounce it

>A German bookseller and Freemason, living in Paris, working under the assumed name of C. Lenning, embellished the story further in a manuscript titled "Encyclopedia of Freemasonry" probably written between 1822 and 1828 at Leipzig. This manuscript was later revised and published by another German Freemason named Friedrich Mossdorf (1757–1830). Lenning stated that King James II of England, after his flight to France in 1688, resided at the Jesuit College of Clermont, where his followers fabricated certain degrees for the purpose of carrying out their political ends

>By the mid-19th century, the story had gained currency. The well-known English Masonic writer, Dr. George Oliver (1782–1867), in his Historical Landmarks, 1846, carried the story forward and even claimed that King Charles II was active in his attendance at meetings—an obvious invention, for if it had been true, it would not have escaped the notice of the historians of the time

Maga caps are red. No kings protest?
Phrygian caps are red. Kings were executed.
Any schizos around?

>>509872775
>The story was then repeated by the French writers Jean-Baptiste Ragon (1771–1862) and Emmanuel Rebold, in their Masonic histories. Rebold's claim that the high degrees were created and practiced in Lodge Canongate Kilwinning at Edinburgh are entirely false

>James II died in 1701 at the Palace of St. Germain en Laye, and was succeeded in his claims to the English, Irish and Scottish thrones by his son, James Francis Edward Stuart (1699–1766), the Chevalier St. George, better known as "the Old Pretender", but recognized as James III & VIII by the French King Louis XIV. He was succeeded in his claim by Charles Edward Stuart ("Bonnie Prince Charles"), also known as "the Young Pretender", whose ultimate defeat at the Battle of Culloden in 1746 effectively put an end to any serious hopes of the Stuarts regaining the British crowns

>The natural confusion between the names of the Jesuit College of Clermont, and the short-lived Masonic Chapter of Clermont, a Masonic body that controlled a few high degrees during its brief existence, only served to add fuel to the myth of Stuart Jacobite influence in Freemasonry's high degrees. However, the College and the Chapter had nothing to do with each other. The Jesuit College was located at Clermont, whereas the Masonic Chapter was not. Rather, it was named "Clermont" in honor of the French Grand Master, the Comte de Clermont (Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Clermont) (1709–1771), and not because of any connection with the Jesuit College of Clermont

>>509873044
>A French trader, by the name of Estienne Morin, had been involved in high-degree Masonry in Bordeaux since 1744 and, in 1747, founded an "Écossais" lodge (Scottish Lodge) in the city of Le Cap Français, on the north coast of the French colony of Saint-Domingue (now Haiti). Over the next decade, high-degree Freemasonry was carried by French men to other cities in the Western hemisphere. The high-degree lodge at Bordeaux warranted or recognized seven Écossais lodges there

>In Paris in the year 1761, a patent was issued to Estienne Morin, dated 27 August, creating him "Grand Inspector for all parts of the New World". This Patent was signed by officials of the Grand Lodge at Paris and appears to have originally granted him power over the craft lodges only, and not over the high, or "Écossais", degree lodges. Later copies of this Patent appear to have been embellished, probably by Morin, to improve his position over the high-degree lodges in the West Indies

>Morin returned to the West Indies in 1762 or 1763, to Saint-Domingue. Based on his new Patent, he assumed powers to constitute lodges of all degrees, spreading the high degrees throughout the West Indies and North America. Morin stayed in Saint-Domingue until 1766, when he moved to Jamaica. At Kingston, Jamaica, in 1770, Morin created a "Grand Chapter" of his new Rite (the Grand Council of Jamaica). Morin died in 1771 and was buried in Kingston

Joachim Murat was based and redpilled

>>509844598 (OP)
>brit flag

>>509849145
maybe, but how would you have felt if you were a despised plebeian back in those times and you were drafted to fight in the american revolution against the english? even though you didn't give a flying fuck about the americans or the english? one sin begets another, after all. not saying any of it was right, but i understand how the plebes must have felt, back then. too bad the kid died, though. i hate it when kids die. that's really the worst of the worst, since they are kids and haven't developed the many vices grown men have. the many evils. they're pure.

>>509873175
>Early writers long believed that a "Rite of Perfection" consisting of 25 degrees, (the highest being the "Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret", and being the predecessor of the Scottish Rite), had been formed in Paris by a high-degree council calling itself "The Council of Emperors of the East and West". The title "Rite of Perfection" first appeared in the Preface to the "Grand Constitutions of 1786", the authority for which is now known to be faulty

>It is now generally accepted that this Rite of twenty-five degrees was compiled by Estienne Morin and is more properly called "The Rite of the Royal Secret", or "Morin's Rite"

>However, it was known as "The Order of Prince of the Royal Secret" by the founders of the Scottish Rite, who mentioned it in their "Circular throughout the two Hemispheres" or "Manifesto", issued on December 4, 1802

>Henry Andrew Francken, a naturalized French subject born as Hendrick Andriese Franken of Dutch origin, was most important in assisting Morin in spreading the degrees in the New World. Morin appointed him Deputy Grand Inspector General (DGIG) as one of his first acts after returning to the West Indies. Francken worked closely with Morin and, in 1771, produced a manuscript book giving the rituals for the 15th through the 25th degrees. Francken produced at least four such manuscripts

>In addition to the 1771 manuscript, there is a second which can be dated to 1783; a third manuscript, of uncertain date, written in Francken's handwriting, with the rituals 4–25°, which was found in the archives of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Lancashire in Liverpool in approximately 1984; and a fourth, again of uncertain date, with rituals 4–24°, which was known to have been given by H. J. Whymper to the District Grand Lodge of the Punjab and rediscovered about 2010

>>509844598 (OP)
You're not pretending.

>>509873332
>Additionally, there is a French manuscript dating from 1790 to 1800 which contains the 25 degrees of the Order of the Royal Secret with additional detail, as well as three other Hauts Grades rituals; its literary structure suggests it is derived from a common source as the Francken Manuscripts

>A Loge de Parfaits d' Écosse was formed on 12 April 1764 at New Orleans, becoming the first high-degree lodge on the North American continent. Its life, however, was short, as the Treaty of Paris (1763) ceded New Orleans to Spain, and the Catholic Spanish crown had been historically hostile to Freemasonry. Documented Masonic activity ceased for a time. It did not return to New Orleans until the late 1790s, when French refugees from the revolution in Saint-Domingue settled in the city

>Francken traveled to New York in 1767 where he granted a Patent, dated 26 December 1767, for the formation of a Lodge of Perfection at Albany, which was called "Ineffable Lodge of Perfection". This marked the first time the Degrees of Perfection (the 4th through the 14th) were conferred in one of the Thirteen British colonies in North America. This Patent, and the early minutes of the Lodge, are still extant and are in the archives of Supreme Council, Northern Jurisdiction. (The minutes of Ineffable Lodge of Perfection reveal that it ceased activity on December 5, 1774. It was revived by Giles Fonda Yates about 1820 or 1821, and came under authority of the Supreme Council, Southern Jurisdiction until 1827. That year it was transferred to the Supreme Council, Northern Jurisdiction.)

>While in New York City, Francken also communicated the degrees to Moses Michael Hays, a Jewish businessman, and appointed him as a Deputy Inspector General

>>509873445
>In 1781, Hays made eight Deputy Inspectors General, four of whom were later important in the establishment of Scottish Rite Freemasonry in South Carolina:

>Isaac Da Costa, Sr., D.I.G. for South Carolina;
>Abraham Forst, D.I.G. for Virginia;
>Joseph M. Myers, D.I.G. for Maryland;
>Barend M. Spitzer, D.I.G. for Georgia

>Da Costa returned to Charleston, South Carolina, where he established the "Sublime Grand Lodge of Perfection" in February 1783. After Da Costa's death in November 1783, Hays appointed Myers as Da Costa's successor. Joined by Forst and Spitzer, Myers created additional high-degree bodies in Charleston

>Physician Hyman Isaac Long from the island of Jamaica, who settled in New York City, went to Charleston in 1796 to appoint eight French men; he had received his authority through Spitzer. These men had arrived as refugees from Saint-Domingue, where the slave revolution was underway that would establish Haiti as an independent republic in 1804. They organized a Consistory of the 25th Degree, or "Princes of the Royal Secret," which Masonic historian Brigadier ACF Jackson says became the first Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite. According to Fox, by 1801, the Charleston bodies were the only extant bodies of the Rite in North America

>Although most of the thirty-three degrees of the Scottish Rite existed in parts of previous degree systems, the Scottish Rite did not come into being until the formation of the Mother Supreme Council at Charleston, South Carolina, in May 1801 at Shepheard's Tavern at the corner of Broad and Church Streets (the tavern had been the location of the founding of Freemasonry in South Carolina in 1754). The Founding Fathers of the Scottish Rite who attended became known as "The Eleven Gentlemen of Charleston"

>>509873530
>John Mitchell - Received a patent April 2, 1795, from Barend Moses Spitzer granting him authority as Deputy Inspector General to create a Lodge of Perfection and several Councils and Chapters wherever such Lodges or Chapters were needed. Born in Ireland in 1741, he came to America at an early age. He served as Deputy Quartermaster General in the Continental Army, and was the first Grand Commander of the Supreme Council

>Frederick Dalcho - A physician, he served in the Revolutionary Army and was stationed at Fort Johnson. He formed a partnership in 1801 with Dr. Isaac Auld, another of the original members. He was an outstanding orator and author. In 1807 he published the first edition of Ahiman Rezon. He became an editor of the Charleston Courier, was a lay reader and deacon in the Episcopal Church, and in 1818 was ordained as a priest

>Alexandre Francois Auguste de Grasse, known as Comte de Grasse-Tilly. He was born in France as the eldest legitimate son of François Joseph Paul de Grasse, a French admiral known as a hero of the American Revolution for defeating the British fleet in the Battle of the Chesapeake. He inherited his father's title, and likely had the highest social ranking of the original eleven founders. He was the youngest of the members and was named to become the Grand Commander of the West Indian Islands. After Napoleon came to power, de Grasse returned to France and resumed his military career. He also extended Freemasonry, establishing the Supreme Council of France and councils in other European cities

>Jean-Baptiste Marie de La Hogue - He was a native of Paris who had lived in Saint-Domingue until the revolution there; father-in-law of de Grasse, he was a founding member of La Candeur Lodge in Charleston

>Thomas Bartholemew Bowen - Was the first Grand Master of Ceremonies of the new Supreme Council. He was a Major in the Continental Army and a printer by trade

>>509873583
>Abraham Alexander - Was one of the first Sovereign Grand Inspectors General. He was born in London in 1743, and immigrated to Charleston in 1771. He was a prominent Sephardic Jew and had been described as "a Calligraphist of the first order"; he was elected as the first Grand Secretary General

>Emanuel de la Motta - A Sovereign Grand Inspector General. Also a Sephardic Jew, he was by trade a merchant and auctioneer. He was a member of Friendship Lodge and was reported to be devoted to the study of Jewish literature and Masonry

>Isaac Auld - An eminent physician, associated in medical practice with Dr. Dalcho. He was a strong Congregationalist

>Israel de Lieben - A Sovereign Grand Inspector General and the first Grand Treasurer General. He was born in Prague and emigrated to the United States at 21. He was known as "the liberal-headed Jew", who was "tolerant in his religious opinions" and was considered to be intelligent, enterprising, liberal and generous

>Moses Clava Levy - Born in Krakow, Poland, he was a prosperous merchant, was generous and helpful to the unfortunate, and devoted to his adopted city and country

>James Moultrie - the only native South Carolinian among the original members. He was a physician, and according to Albert Pike, "was one of the foremost Citizens of South Carolina"

>Isaac Da Costa, another Sephardic Jew, was one of the deputies commissioned to establish Morin's Rite of the Royal Secret in other countries; he formed constituent bodies of the Rite in South Carolina in 1783. These are considered to have become in 1801, The Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction. All regular Scottish Rite bodies today derive their heritage from this body

>>509844915
>a gang of land speculators and other assorted kikes revolting because the British made all the trans-Appalachian land they'd bought up worthless was based

>>509873628
>Subsequently, other Supreme Councils were formed in Saint-Domingue (now Haiti) in 1802, in France in 1804, in Italy in 1805, and in Spain in 1811

>On May 1, 1813, an officer from the Supreme Council at Charleston initiated several New York Masons into the Thirty-third Degree and organized a Supreme Council for the "Northern Masonic District and Jurisdiction". On May 21, 1814 this Supreme Council reopened and proceeded to "nominate, elect, appoint, install and proclaim in due, legal and ample form" the elected officers "as forming the second Grand and Supreme Council...". Finally, the charter of this organization (written January 7, 1815) added, “We think the Ratification ought to be dated 21st day May 5815."

>Officially, the Supreme Council, 33°, N.M.J. dates itself from May 15, 1867. This was the date of the "Union of 1867", when it merged with the competing Cerneau "Supreme Council" in New York. The current Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite, Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the United States, was thus formed

>>509845421
Agreed, American Revolution being a revolution of the people is the biggest lie ever sold. A bunch of free mason kike lovers
>May the Children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/historic-document-library/detail/george-washington-letter-to-the-hebrew-congregation-in-newport-rhode-island-1790

>>509844598 (OP)
Its stupid monarchy faggots. Monarchs were even bigger pupets of the jews and actually protected jews from pesants and commoners.

The only reason monarchy was "better" because king could almost never reach you in some shithole village and you could moasty live free of him and his jews.
And that was more of a feature of trains not existing and the fact that transporting soldiers was not worth it unless thing to tax was like 100 km away.

>>509844915
All three are different sides of the same coin, in case you haven't noticed yet. Different stepping stones for the same exact incremental process.

>>509864894
Interestingly, I still feel detached from the french nation. I come from the Vendée department and I just despise what the french state represents. Region was brutally genocided by republican revolutionaries during the french revolution (guerre de Vendée) to destroy any monarchist/catholic uprisings. I can just feel in my blood that the Parisian bourgeoisie is an evil group of people. The french identity is a weird construct that simply cannot exist without a strong centralized state, a state which pressures everyone to religiously praise it. A state that does not hesitate to bully anyone who starts thinking outside of the Republican arc.
It's a freemason and jewish tyranny in disguise.

>>509872775
>>509873044
Most of these things were in the Scottish Rite Wikipedia article before they were deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scottish_Rite&oldid=1086596916

Other books I found on this subject:

https://archive.org/details/restoring-the-temple-of-vision-cabalistic-freemasonry-and-stuart-culture-by-marsha-keith-schuchard

https://archive.org/details/lord-george-gordon-and-cabalistic-freemasonry

https://archive.org/details/judaized-scots-jacobite-jews-and-the-development-of-cabalistic-freemasonry (Html version: https://skirret.com/papers/schuchard-cabalistic.html / This site also has other interesting pages: https://skirret.com/index.html )

https://archive.org/details/john-daniel-scarlet-and-the-beast-history-of-the-war-between-english-french-freemasonry

https://www.academia.edu/61019485/Jacobite_Jews_and_Faux_Jacobite_Jews_Some_Masonic_Puzzles_Part_One

https://www.academia.edu/91857215/Jacobite_Jews_and_Faux_Jacobite_Jews_Some_Masonic_Puzzles_Part_2

https://www.academia.edu/44059557/Swedenborg_Yeats_and_Jacobite_Freemasonry

https://www.academia.edu/124445306/Jacobitism_and_Templar_Freemasonry_The_Strict_Observance

https://www.academia.edu/31347443/Conspiratorial_Networks_in_the_North_A_Review_of_Jacobite_and_Hanoverian_Freemasons_in_Scandinavia_and_Russia_1688_1746

https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-hiram-key-e33464068.html

https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=2539DD74001A1AF064BE07D4607229FD (The Secret Founding of America: The Real Story of Freemasons, Puritans, & the Battle for The New World)

https://archive.org/details/steven-sora-secret-societies-of-americas-elite-from-the-knights-templar-to-skull_202408

>>509873899
America has literally create by Anglo-Americans Freemasons and funded by Sabbatean-Frankist Jews. Lafayette, Ben Franklin and Washington were in the same Masonic lodge (Les Neuf Sœurs/9 Sisters) as Lenin, Voltaire, Diderot and many more. Google "Junius Frey", "Adam Weishaupt" or "Jacob Frank" or even "John Desaguliers". The Jewish idea of the American Dream and the way it was propagated in music, cinema, entertainment and education is what held America together and made its pop culture conquer the world. Before Jews became the elite in Hollywood and New York there was very little that could be defined as American imagery and identity. Even the idealised portrayal of the Old West is a Jewish construct. The idyllic image of prairies and wholesome rural life? Jewish fiction. WASPs only reach their true potential with jewish helping hands. And this is not only true for America but for Europe too. Who do you think financed the Renaissance and the Age of Discoveries?

Even things the Europeans on this board complain about like Liberalism and Communism/Marxism are European creations honed in America and re-exported to Europe (Herbert Marcuse, father of the New Left, worked for the OSS/CIA. The same CIA that was helped by fugitive Nazis/Facists against the Advancement of Communism in the West. Google "P2 Lodge" and "Operation Gladio")

>>509874522
Two Spanish Jews, Moses Pacheco and Mordecai Campanal, organized the first Masonic Lodge in America. Moses Seixas was the 1st president of the the 1st synagogue in North America and the 1st grand master over the 1st Masonic lodge in Rhode Island. In fact, Moses Seixas was the grand master over TWO Masonic Lodges. And the very lodge George Washington was a member of was named after the 1st in North America. George attended St. John's Lodge No. 2 named after the Jews' lodge St. John's Lodge No. 1. Not only was Moses Seixas the president of the 1st synagogue, 1st grand master over the 1st Masonic lodge, and a 2nd lodge Providence. He was a member of a very large slave trading family in the South.

>>509874580
>"In the year 1749, the first Masonic Lodge was established. Ninety percent of the members of this first lodge, fourteen all told, were Jews. And one knows that only so-called "prominent" individuals were accepted. Twenty years later, the second Masonic Lodge, "King David," was established. It is a fact that all of these members were Jews. In the meantime, the Jewish influence in Newport had reached such proportions that President George Washington decided to pay them a visit. Upon his appearance, both of the Masonic Lodges sent an emissary — a Jew named Moses Seixas (4) — to approach the President with a petition, in which the Jews of Newport stated: "If you will permit the children of Abraham to approach you with a request, to tell you that we honor you, and feel an alliance and then: "Until the present time the valuable rights of a free citizen have been withheld. However, now we see a new government coming into being based on the Majesty of the people, a government, not sanctioning any bigotry nor persecution of the Jew, rather, to concede the freedom of thought, which each shares, whatever Nation or Language, as a part of the great Government machine."

>>509874522
>>509874580
>>509874631
Nothing is more American than Zionism. Words from your only presidents:

John Adams (1797-1801)

>"I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize man than any other nation." (Letter to Thomas Jefferson)

>"If I were an atheist, and believed blind eternal fate, I should still believe the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations."

>"Farther I could find it in my heart to wish that you had been at the head of a hundred thousand Israelites... & marching with them into Judea & making a conquest of that country & restoring your nation to the dominion of it. For I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation." (in a letter to Mordecai Manuel Noah in 1819)

John Quincy Adams (1825-1829)

>"Rebuilding of Judea as an independent nation." - John Quincy Adams, sixth President of The United States (in a letter to Mordecai Manuel Noah)

Warren Harding (1921-1923)

>"It is impossible for one who has studied at all the services of the Hebrew people to avoid the faith that they will one day be restored to their historic national home and there enter on a new and yet greater phase of their contribution to the advance of humanity."

Calvin Coolidge (1923-1928)

>"Coolidge expressed his “sympathy with the deep and intense longing which finds such fine expression in the Jewish National Homeland in Palestine"."

Herbert Hoover (1928-1932)

>"I know the whole world acknowledges the fine spirit shown by the British Government in accepting the mandate of the Palestine in order that there might under this protection be established a homeland so long desired by the Jews."

The Maoist revolution was based, and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

>>509874679
Franklin Roosevelt (1932-1944)

>"The American people, ever zealous in the cause of human freedom, have watched with sympathetic interest the effort of the Jews to renew in Palestine the ties of their ancient homeland."

Harry Truman (1944-1952)

>"I had faith in Israel before it was established, I have faith in it now."

>"I am proud of my part in the creation of this new state. Our Government was the first to recognize the State of Israel."

Dwight D. Eisenhower (1952-1960)

>"Our forces saved the remnant of the Jewish people of Europe for a new life and a new hope in the reborn land of Israel"

>"You ought not to forget that the strength of Israel and her future are bound up with the United States.”

Lyndon Johnson (1963-1968)

>"Our society is illuminated by the spiritual insights of the Hebrew prophets."

>>509869547
>Mlle. Justine Glinka
He received the Protocols of the Elders of Zion from his daughter, both were theosophists who were in Brazil practicing Spiritism and Afro-Brazilian Religions, hue.

>In his book The Non-Existent Manuscript, Italian scholar Cesare G. De Michelis studies early Russian publications of the Protocols. The Protocols were first mentioned in the Russian press in April 1902, by the Saint Petersburg newspaper Novoye Vremya . The article was written by famous conservative publicist Mikhail Menshikov as a part of his regular series "Letters to Neighbors" and was titled "Plots against Humanity". The author described his meeting with a lady (Yuliana Glinka, as it is known now) who, after telling him about her mystical revelations, implored him to get familiar with the documents later known as the Protocols; but after reading some excerpts, Menshikov became quite skeptical about their origin and did not publish them

>Many authors maintain that it was Rachkovsky's agent in Paris, Matvei Golovinski, who authored the first edition in the early 1900s. Another agent of Rachkovsky, Yuliana Glinka, is often cited as the person who sent the forgery from France to Russia via her uncle General Pyotr Vasilyevich Orzhevsky

>Yuliana's father, Dmitri Feodorovich Glinka, became a general and entered the diplomatic service. As a result, she spent time in Portugal and Brazil where her father was posted. She probably became interested in spiritualism while in Brazil. She lived in Rio de Janeiro, and at Petropolis, in the Serra dos Órgãos, home of Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil. With her father and sisters she traveled with Dom Pedro to Minas Gerais, visiting Ouro Preto and Diamantina, both very old cities with mystical associations

>In Brazil, Yuliana became acquainted with Candomblé, a Brazilian version of Caribbean Santería. She also read about the Fox sisters and their encounters with "the Spirit World" in New York, in the United States

>>509869547
>Mlle. Justine Glinka
She and her father were theosophist diplomats who were in Brazil practicing Spiritism and Afro-Brazilian Religions, hue.

>In his book The Non-Existent Manuscript, Italian scholar Cesare G. De Michelis studies early Russian publications of the Protocols. The Protocols were first mentioned in the Russian press in April 1902, by the Saint Petersburg newspaper Novoye Vremya . The article was written by famous conservative publicist Mikhail Menshikov as a part of his regular series "Letters to Neighbors" and was titled "Plots against Humanity". The author described his meeting with a lady (Yuliana Glinka, as it is known now) who, after telling him about her mystical revelations, implored him to get familiar with the documents later known as the Protocols; but after reading some excerpts, Menshikov became quite skeptical about their origin and did not publish them

>Many authors maintain that it was Rachkovsky's agent in Paris, Matvei Golovinski, who authored the first edition in the early 1900s. Another agent of Rachkovsky, Yuliana Glinka, is often cited as the person who sent the forgery from France to Russia via her uncle General Pyotr Vasilyevich Orzhevsky

>Yuliana's father, Dmitri Feodorovich Glinka, became a general and entered the diplomatic service. As a result, she spent time in Portugal and Brazil where her father was posted. She probably became interested in spiritualism while in Brazil. She lived in Rio de Janeiro, and at Petropolis, in the Serra dos Órgãos, home of Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil. With her father and sisters she traveled with Dom Pedro to Minas Gerais, visiting Ouro Preto and Diamantina, both very old cities with mystical associations

>In Brazil, Yuliana became acquainted with Candomblé, a Brazilian version of Caribbean Santería. She also read about the Fox sisters and their encounters with "the Spirit World" in New York, in the United States

Why do retards think the French revolution was peasants rising up? It was literally the bourgeois because the monarchy wasn't letting capitalism run rampant. So they massacred everyone who stood in their way, now France looks like .webm related. Nice revolution

>>509850816
Louis XIV, the "Sun King", that was the great-great-great-grandfather of Louis XVI, had a lover who was a poisoner witch/satanist. I find it hilarious royalcucks, clowntolics and wignats like Arthur de Gobineau simping for a king whose one of his mistresses was the client, along with other French nobles, of a witch who had a room full of aborted fetuses and shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Poisons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Françoise-Athénaïs_de_Rochechouart,_Marquise_de_Montespan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Voisin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Étienne_Guibourg

The Ancien Regime and it's nobility were inherently satanic, running around consulting the Devil poisoning each other and engaging in the most detestable depravities all while France had become a whore that was fucked by everyone. They deserved it, they deserved it 100 times over I will say they deserved it, they are lucky Napoleon was lenient upon them I wouldn't have been. Of course, when Napoleon when some of sades writing he locked him in a cage and never let him out. A fitting end to a man that should've had a ball gag stuck in his mouth and a bullet between his eyes.

>>509877248
>Satanism was very popular and common in the 16th and 17th centuries in European courts, even with all the supervision of the Catholic Church

>France at that time had a profitable Satanism market, existing as if it were a mafia, which had members even in the highest social circles in Paris. This mafia, however, was dismantled by the city authorities, largely thanks to Gabriel Nicolas de la Reynie

>La Reynie began to suspect that there was an alternative Satanism network in Paris after arresting Louis de Vanens, a notorious Satanist. He spent months looking for a clue about the existence of this group, but was never able to prove anything. However, one day he managed to arrest a well-known fortune teller, Catherine Deshayes, better known as La Voisin. Not only were items found with it that fortune tellers normally use, but also objects supposedly used in black magic rituals, such as blood, cemetery soil, semen, among other things

>When asked about her activities, La Voisin revealed that in addition to love potions, she had performed several abortions for women in the highest Paris circle, and that several fetuses and babies were allegedly found buried in her backyard. Among several of her accomplices denounced, one notorious was Étienne Guibourg, who according to her, was a member of a Satanist sect, which practiced all types of magic and activities related to Satanism

>One of La Voisin's and Guibourg's own clients was Francisca Atenas, known as Madame de Montespan, one of King Louis XIV's favorites, who was supposedly desperate to become his wife. The first rituals for Montespan, according to La Voisin, did not involve child sacrifices, but rather small animals and certain magical rituals. Under the influence of La Voisin, Montespan made potions and put them in the king's food, with animal testicles and the like

>>509877330
>However, according to what he says, Montespan's intentions were changing, and the rituals, which were of love, were changing to hate, and the rituals became increasingly macabre, with the intention of killing the king, although there was no success. Soon after the group was discovered by La Reine, several people were arrested, including Montespan, who was later acquitted and spent the rest of her life in the interior of the country

>Catherine Deshayes (1640-1680) was a central figure in a scandal that involved murders, sacrificed babies and black masses among the nobility of Louis XIV's France

>Catherine Deshayes was born into a poor Paris family around 1640. Possibly the daughter of a sorceress, Catherine herself began practicing palmistry, face reading, and astrology at the age of 9. At 20, she married an unsuccessful jeweler and had to expand her business to support her family

>It was the preparation of aphrodisiac potions and amulets for clients that earned him a ticket into noble circles in Paris. Men sought it to increase sexual vigor, and women sought potions and aesthetic treatments that “made their breasts fuller and their mouths smaller”, as a marquis of the time noted

>Eventually, Deshayes noticed that the most common desire among customers was the so-called “heritage powder”, that is, poison. Seeing opportunity in the macabre side of witchcraft, the quiet seer began preparing poisons and celebrating satanic rituals in her hut on the outskirts of the capital. Thus, she earned the nickname La Voisin (“the neighbor”, in French)

>Her most important client was the Marquise de Montespan, one of King Louis XIV's most temperamental lovers. The noblewoman's involvement with La Voisin went far beyond aphrodisiacs and black masses: Montespan used the sorceress's poisons against a rival lover and possibly conspired with La Voisin to poison the king himself

>>509877396
>Between 1660 and 1680, the number of “natural” deaths among members of the nobility, especially wealthy elderly people and women passed over by lovers, became alarming. After the scandal reached royal circles, an investigative commission uncovered the underworld of witchcraft in Paris. In the “Case of Poisons”, Catherine Deshayes ended up imprisoned in 1679

>A search of La Voisin's residence revealed not only macabre ingredients such as fat from hanged men, excrement, human blood and semen but also a furnace containing the remains of newborn babies and fetuses. It was discovered that, in addition to performing abortions, Deshayes also sacrificed babies at black masses, cremating the remains in the oven

>At first, La Voisin denied all the accusations. But after a cruel interrogation that involved 24 hours of torture, Deshayes admitted guilt in the deaths of 2,000 newborns and fetuses and in providing poisons for hundreds of murders. According to official documents, she never revealed the names of her clients, and the Marquise de Montespan was merely exiled

>Madame Catherine Deshayes was burned alive in a public square in 1680. There are reports that she left ranting and singing obscene songs

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>>509877447
Behold the Ancien Regime of you, fools:

https://youtu.be/poHI_pOUmYo?t=388

My family barely escaped.
If they didn't live by the sea, they'd probably have all lost their heads instead of most of them.

>>509857531
>the mostly Germanic noblesse (which was not oppressive)
Normandy was known for being very strict after Rollo took over. Breaking the law there would get you killed.

>>509844598 (OP)
If burgers rose up to do the same, it would be both glorious and retarded. These violent revolutions come down to mob rule and the mob was a lot more reasonable and intelligent back then.

Foreigners knows more history of my country than me

>>509878418
If the Bourbon Nobility had been in power in France until the 20th century, I bet they would have adopted Gobineau's theories to further their oppression on French people like the Szlachta did with Sarmatism in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

>Sarmatism (or Sarmatianism; Polish: Sarmatyzm) was an ethno-cultural identity within the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. It was the dominant Baroque culture and ideology of the nobility (szlachta) that existed in the time from the Renaissance to the early 18th century. Together with the concept of "Golden Liberty", it formed a central aspect of the Commonwealth social elites’ culture and society. At its core was the unifying belief that the people of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth descended from the ancient Iranian Sarmatians, the legendary invaders of contemporary Polish and Roman lands in antiquity

>The term and culture were reflected primarily in 17th-century Polish literature, as in Jan Chryzostom Pasek's memoirs and the poems of Wacław Potocki. The Polish gentry wore a long coat, called kontusz, knee-high boots, and carried a szabla (sabre), usually a karabela. Moustaches were also popular, as well as decorative feathers in men's headgear. Poland's "Sarmatians" strove to achieve martial skill on horseback, believed in equality among themselves, and in invincibility in the face of the enemy. Sarmatism lauded past victories of the Polish military, and required Polish noblemen to cultivate the tradition

>Sarmatism greatly affected the culture, lifestyle and ideology of the Polish nobility. It was unique for its cultural mix of Oriental, Western and native traditions. Criticized during the Polish Enlightenment, Sarmatism was rehabilitated by the generations that embraced Polish Romanticism

>>509879180
Basically they claimed they were descendants of Sarmatians/Avars that conquered these lands in the but adopted local Slavic languages in place of the Iranian. Yeah, this is Proto-Aryanism even though Poles are the people with the most R1a in Europe. Thus polish noblemen felt no common bonds with a peasant, but they were very open into accepting Lithuanias, Ruthenians, Germans and Hungarian into the nobility ranks and Jews as their proxy scapegoat multi-generational class.

Being the nation with the most nobles per capita in Europe (8-10%, 16% in some regions), just for comparison, Poland had 35 peasants for each noble, while Russia had 200 peasants for a single fucking noble (This shit was more decentralized than the Holy Roman Empire), the nobles could have private armies that could go against the king and invade other European nations, which made the PLC an anarchic buffer state that was partitioned twice by its less decentralized neighbors and tried desperately to make a more centralized/stable government too late for the third partition in 1795.

The Ashkenazim have genetic origins in an Judaean diaspora population in Southern Italy during the Roman Empire intermarried with varying amounts of European women. Toward the collapse of the Roman Empire, they began migrating northward toward the Rhineland, and when the HRE grew, it invited many of the Jews of their new territories to settle in the Rhineland. And began migrating eastward at the end of the High Middle Ages with invitations from what would become the PLC.

>>509879307
Constantine the Great punished conversion to Judaism with death, illegalized Jewish/Christian intermarriage and forbade Jews from owning Christian slaves. Jews had some legal privileges (in exchange for a silver tax) which stemmed from the time of Caesar and the second diaspora created by Nero and Titus, but Constantine II and Constans revoked any remaining Jewish privilegia. Justinian the Great crushed a huge Samaritan (Jewish) revolt in Palestine.

And yes, Usury was completely illegal in the Middle Ages WITHIN YOUR FAITH. The Old Testament forbids both to Jews and Christians to lend Usury to adherents of their own faith, but not for others. Jews would lend to Christians, BUT Lombard bankers did the same to Jews in turn. Imagine that, your ancestors actually figured out how to Jew the Jews!

In addition, Jewish profits were meaningless, first because they had no way to enforce payment (and trying to would cause a pogrom), and second, they were forbidden from participating in trade or merchant leagues, joining crafts or guilds, inheriting titles or owning land and completely banned from Church lands (1/3rds of agricultural production at the time), thus rendering it absolutely useless.

The Lombard banks on the other hand could finance investments through loans on collateral, had a monopoly on pawnbrokering and currency exchange. Thus whenever Jews loaned with interest, they lost the value to the Christian trade monopoly. In addition, the Jews were heavily taxed (for their financial actions). It was called "Fiscus Judaica", and the Church continued doing it. Not to forget, Jews couldn't hide, being forced to wear hat&star as marks.

>>509879356
At the start of wars, Jews were asked to pay. Afterwards, they were kicked out the cities, property seized, tax-collection ended. Jews were an underclass like Gypsies, only meant to do dirtywork considered too impure for Christians.

Most Jews in America come from what was the PLC, which had the largest Jewish population of world before WW2. Unlike the rest of Europe, they lived like a protected and privileged class in the Commonwealth, under the Statut Kaliski and later royal confirmations. They had all kinds of legal privileges and controlled key sectors of the economy for the szlachta burocratic absentee landlords. Jews were arendatorzy, tax collectors, leaseholders of entire estates, salt mines, mills, and distilleries. They had near monopolies on money lending, liquor production, and tavern keeping. Basically, they had a license to fleece the peasants. The PLC peasant borrowed from the Jew to sow the crop, paid a rent share to the noble and another to the arendator, handed over grain for distilling, saw the surplus exported or taxed, and borrowed again to drink what was left in the Jew’s tavern. The whole countryside was up to its eyes in debt to the kahal’s agents. This was considered the highest point of Jewish history in Europe, the Paradisus Judaeorum. The wealth from this system funded countless yeshivot, and most important modern era Jewish religious movements, the Frankism and Hasidism, trace their roots to PLC in the 1600s.

>>509845421
yeah but at least he was willing to fight and die for it

>>509845421
finally some good eating posts

>>509878418
>Normandy was known for being very strict after Rollo took over.
The Revolution happened closer to today than the year of Rollo.

>>509844598 (OP)
The question is, who is our danton?

>>509844598 (OP)
Proto-Communists. From the French Revolution we get ridiculous philosophy and Marx

>>509883906
I find Bonapartism more interesting because it was one of the first political movements that combined elements of the right and the left. Initially, Napoleon was close to the Jacobins, but after the Thermidorian Reaction, he became closer to the Girondins and the upper bourgeoisie, demonstrating political pragmatism.

>LEGITIMISTS: Hardcore Monarchists and Catholic zealots that refuse any compromise with the revolutionaries, bourgeois or proletarian

>FEUILLANTS: Constitutional Monarchists that tried to toe a middle line, Lafayette's faction

>GIRONDINS: Free market liberals, like the American revolutionaries, that were originally part of the Jacobin Club. Sat to the left of the constitutional monarchists but to the right of the Montangnards that stayed in the Jacobin club

>THE PLAIN: Moderates that ranged from moderate Girondin to moderate Montangnard type views. Were generally more wary of the Terror and the control of the state by the Jacobin Club/Commune

>MONTANGNARDS/TERRORISTS: The main hardcore Jacobin institutionalist party, the Montangards were represented by Robespierre and St. Just. They led the revolution from 1793-1794. They infamously suppressed their opposition through mass executions and desecrated churches, while also pushing for more rights for the poor while also repealing civil rights

>>509844598 (OP)
It was a horror show not based.

>>509885178
>DANTONISTS: Hardcore Jacobins at first but once they had gotten basically what they wanted by breaking the power of the nobility and church they wanted to stop the violence and get on with things, but the Terrorists took this as a personal insult and killed them for not wanting to keep killing people

>HEBERTISTS: These guys make the Terrorists look sane in comparison. There's a reason why even Robespierre wanted them dead. It was mainly that they were super cringe militant atheists and rejected all morality whereas Robespierre wanted some type of moral foundation even if his personal morals were greatly compromised

>THERMIDORIANS: The guys who thought the Montangnards were right at first, or at least pretended to think so, so that they didn't get killed, but waited until Robespierre overplayed his hand to denounce him as a tyrant. They ended up implementing the policies of the Girondins, more or less, in the form of the Directory. Some of their original members were Montangnards who got pissed off at Robespierre, but most of them ended up getting purged in the reactionary anti-Terrorist sentiment that swept the country after the Thermidorians emptied the prisons and repealed censorship and martial law. They basically became anti-democratic libertarians that gave Napoleon his career

The French Revolution culminated in a military officer moving into Versailles and crowning himself emperor and restoring various elements of the ancien regime while also warring against a Holy Alliance of (mostly, but not exclusively) conservative powers while spreading the Napoleonic legal code which wasn't something the conservatives in their day were gonna do.

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>>509885883
All the things that happened in the 19th and 20th centuries are a result of this.

WW2 was a result of German Insecurity born out of the conclusion of WW1, WW1 was born out of French Insecurity, French Insecurity was born out of German Growth, German Wrowth was born out of the Collapse of the French in their war against the Germans in 1871, the Franco-Prussian War was born from French instability that persisted since the collapse of the Empire of Napoleon, the Empire of Napoleon gave rise to the centralizing agent that made German Growth possible in the first place as the Holy Roman Empire and German Principalities were herded into the Confederation of the Rhine, the Empire of Napoleon was born as a result of the failure of the French Revolution to form a stable government of any description.

But Napoleon is incomparable to Hitler. Napoleon arrived to power in a country that was in a state of civil war and under attack from Europe and rest of world's. He restored order and kicked the invaders out, eventually conquering them. Hitler arrived to power during peace time. He quietly rebuilt the war industry while no one around gave a hit or tried to intervene. Then he teamed up with Russia to invade fucking Poland After that he defeated France mainly due to French incompetence. And then, he attacked Russia for the lulz. This is the moment he really started to face great a coalition, and he lasted only 3 years in that condition. Napoleon lasted more than a decade and defeated five coalitions.

>>509885178
>>509885883
All the things that happened in the 19th and 20th centuries are a result of this.

WW2 was a result of German Insecurity born out of the conclusion of WW1, WW1 was born out of French Insecurity, French Insecurity was born out of German Growth, German Wrowth was born out of the Collapse of the French in their war against the Germans in 1871, the Franco-Prussian War was born from French instability that persisted since the collapse of the Empire of Napoleon, the Empire of Napoleon gave rise to the centralizing agent that made German Growth possible in the first place as the Holy Roman Empire and German Principalities were herded into the Confederation of the Rhine, the Empire of Napoleon was born as a result of the failure of the French Revolution to form a stable government of any description.

But Napoleon is incomparable to Hitler. Napoleon arrived to power in a country that was in a state of civil war and under attack from Europe and rest of world's. He restored order and kicked the invaders out, eventually conquering them. Hitler arrived to power during peace time. He quietly rebuilt the war industry while no one around gave a hit or tried to intervene. Then he teamed up with Russia to invade fucking Poland After that he defeated France mainly due to French incompetence. And then, he attacked Russia for the lulz. This is the moment he really started to face great a coalition, and he lasted only 3 years in that condition. Napoleon lasted more than a decade and defeated five coalitions.

>>509846212
Why did everyone dress like an absolute faggot in the 18th century?

>>509844598 (OP)
>a bunch of kikes are based
found the aperican golem

>>509879180
BTW Gobineau also shit on Americans like Hitler and Mussolini, even though the British they descend are the people with the most R1b/Yamnaya and least mixture in Europe.

>"I don't see much future for the Americans... it's a decayed, degenerated country. And they have their racial problem, and the problem of social inequalities... It goes without saying that we have no affinities with the Japanese. They’re too foreign to us, by their way of living, by their culture. But my feelings against Americanism are feelings of hatred, disappointment and deep repugnance. I feel myself more akin to any European country, no matter which. Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it’s half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together—a State where 80 percent of the revenue is drained away for the public purse—a country where everything is built on the dollar? From this point of view, I consider the even British State very much superior." - Adolf Hitler 1942

Witnessed, Brazilianon!

>>509888473
>Years prior to any alliance with Hitler, Mussolini would describe America as “the country of niggers and jews”

>(Source: “Mussolini: The Rise and Fall of Il Duce”)

>This also collaborates earlier statements publicly written by Mussolini

>“The city dies, and the Nation—without the vital lymph fluid of the young of new generations—no longer can resist, composed now of vile, old people. A younger people will press against the abandoned frontiers. That happened. That can still happen. That will happen, and not only among cities and nations, but on an order of magnitude infinitely greater: the entire White race, the Western race, can become submerged by other races of colour which multiply at a rate unknown to ours

>Blacks and yellows are thus at the gates?

>Yes, they are at the gates, and not only because of their birthrates but also because of their race consciousness and their future in the world. Meanwhile, for example, the Whites of the United States have a miserable natality rate—it would be even more miserable, if not for the injection of more fertile races, such as the Irish, the Jews and the Italians. The Negroes of the United States are ultra-fertile and already amount to an imposing total of 14 million, that is one-sixth of the population of the Stellar Republic. There is a large quarter of New York, Harlem, which is populated exclusively by blacks. A serious revolt by blacks broke out last July in this quarter; it was a difficult job for the police to suppress it, after a bloody night of conflict, when they found themselves before a compact mass of blacks.”

>-Benito Mussolini (9 September, 1928)

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>>509888532
>David Reich's laboratory found that 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was overturned by a population from North Continental Europe characterised by the Bell Beaker culture around 1200 BC who carried a large amount of Yamnaya ancestry from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, including the R1b Haplogroup. This population lacked genetic affinity to other Bell Beaker populations, such as the Iberian Bell Beakers, but appeared to be an offshoot of the Corded Ware single grave people. It is currently unknown whether these Beaker peoples went on to develop Celtic languages in the British Isles, or whether later Celtic migrations introduced Celtic languages to Britain

>The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st century

>>509844915
The American revolution was kinda cool, but it was just a authoritative rebellion that wanted power. The french revolution was based because it was a full of social revolution that challenged every aspect of life under the ancien regime

>>509845421
honestly when u read about the reality of the american revolution its all bullshit, their propaganda about "fighting tyranny" etc. in reality the americans petitioned britain to war with the french and the brits reluctantly agreed and waged the french and indian war for the full benefit of the american colonials. then came time to pay that war and the americans had a shitfit. its all bullshit. not to menion all of the "founding fathers" had dog ugly wives and were freemason faggots.
as far as french revolitoon goes: absolutely terrible faggotry responsible for france being such a shithole today. "liberte fraternite egaliterite" puke

>>509888763
>social revolution that challenged every aspect of life under the ancien regime
great. and it devolved into becoming about murdering people who owned a fucken cow, just like the russian bolshevik revolution, in the name of "progress". and then after all that a new group of elites rose up anyway. what was the fucken point

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>>509888845
I mean not every aspect was good, but the end result of the French revolution is felt in EVERY single country in the world due to the promotion of lawyers assembling Napoleonic code and the exportation of social that aid social mobility to more prominent things like the metric system. It also crumbled the power of the catholic church, disassembled monarchies. That obviously doesn't cover everything, but it was a complete revolution

>>509888473
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>>509888989
>Gobineau came from an old well-established aristocratic family. His father, Louis de Gobineau (1784–1858), was a military officer and staunch royalist. His mother, Anne-Louise Magdeleine de Gercy, was the daughter of a non-noble royal tax official. The de Gercy family lived in the French Crown colony of Saint-Domingue (modern Haiti) for a time in the 18th century. Gobineau always feared he might have black ancestors on his mother's side

>In 1871, poet Wilfrid Scawen Blunt who met Gobineau described him thus: "Gobineau is a man of about 55, with grey hair and moustache, dark rather prominent eyes [...]"

His contemporaries mocked him for having dark, protruding, bug eyes. The father of Nordicism, ladies and gentlemen.

its the violence thats based. killing your enemies thats based. people shouldnt need to aspire to be like niggers.
if you kill your enemies, you win. its nature 101. the residual christcuckery has warped you peoples brains. you are way too comfortable in your enslavement if this isnt making sense.

>>509844598 (OP)
Based on going to hell the 69th republic will be a nigger Emirate
>>509845421
So true, Real Angloid Patriots freed the niggers who burned down Norfolk

>>509849145
Louis XVII's death was fake. He died in Madawaska, New Brunswick and has descendants.
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/575967/descendants-louis-madawaska

>>509879170
You habe to go back

>>509847061
Bioleninism strikes again.

>>509888473
why are you putting that southern european trash next to what is very clearly a nordic woman tho

that dna profile would look more like picrel
kalergi mutts, aka jews-in-waiting

>>509844598 (OP)
You don't understand these terms completely. The Jews are not based nor redpilled. But the Jews make Americans rich and make the USA exceptional. To be grateful to the Jews and to support Israel is a right thing to do for a real American.

>>509889942
is that the one that sided with the jews against the templars when he was indebted to them both?
and then the catholic church had to invent a whole cover story about why it was better to side with the children of satan to oppose posterboy christians inexplicably following a tranny demon god (turned jewish elite meme for having actually worked) because they got high once, and that shouldnt even possibly exist according to their own theology

>>509890006
Elsa Jean is quadroon, her mom is mulatto.

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>>509890901
That has to be one of the nastiest pussies I’ve seen in a while

>>509850816
You can just French, anon.

>>509890901
>That nose

>>509844598 (OP)
that a picture of a mountain gnome

>>509890931
i wonder how much money jews paid her for that stunt

>>509846375
I heard he actually didn't want to do the lodge stuff because it was boring and pointless, anti-freemason party when sad the jews feel the need to ruin everything

>>509892027
Fake and gay:
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>>509847981
>bans all pronouns other than "we"
wow so heckin based

>>509844598 (OP)
if the protocols of the learned elders of zion say something is based, that thing is probably not based

>>509872451
Sorry the side with Desade is always wrong.

>>509874364
>On May 14, 1607, a Masonic group calling themselves “Virginia Company” landed a group of colonists in Jamestown, Virginia, where the first Masonic secret society was set up. The fact that the London's Masonic Hall already had their hands in the creation of the United States by 1607 proves without any doubt, from the very onset, America was created to be a Masonic nation that would be forever linked with the Masonic elements within England. The lofty ideals of this element of the Anglo-conspiracy created by English Freemasons surprisingly came about in part by the literary works of Sir Francis Bacon author of The New Atlantis in 1627. Bacon is said to have "exerted a considerable and beneficial influence on the forming of America," the understanding being that the Freemasons were going to build for themselves, a New Atlantis, a powerful utopian society which would be a Masonic light and leader of the world

>Almost immediately after the novel was published, Christoph Nicolai began claiming that a grand, Anglo-American, cross-Atlantic conspiracy was underway between American Freemasons and prominent English Freemasonry and Rosicrucians in London to conceal secret political efforts to restore the exiled Scottish House of Stuart, as well as rebuild the Temple of Solomon in America (since there was no 'Kingdom of Israel' at that time), whereby ever since, the persistent rumors of a grand Masonic conspiracy of London and American societies have never wavered from that time to this. One thing is certain, after the formation of the new Druidic Grand Lodge built in London in the year 1717, the ranks of Freemasonry surged as increasingly more Freemasons were enamored of the Atlantis conspiracy, even if it meant treason and war with the armies of the then British King

>>509844598 (OP)
>freemasons
>first thing they do is accept kikes as french citizens
>second thing they do is accept niggers as french citizens
get lost, kike

>>509896625
>Stuart Masonic Influence in France

>Through Ambassador Waldegrave and other sources, Whitehall was aware that Charles Radcliffe, the titular Earl of Derwentwater (pictured above), a committed Jacobite, was engaged in securing support for the Stuart cause at the French Court. Derwentwater had fought for James Stuart in the 1715 Jacobite Rising. Captured, he had been tried, found guilty, and sentenced to death, but nonetheless escaped Newgate prison while awaiting execution

>The time and place of Derwentwater’s initiation into freemasonry is uncertain but he co-founded a Masonic lodge in Paris in around 1725 whose membership was drawn mainly from the exiled Jacobite community. He was later installed as Grand Master in France

>Historians take opposing views of Jacobite Freemasonry. Some argue that it functioned as a fraternal association for exiled Jacobite aristocrats and those having similar social status; others hold that it was a well-spring of Stuart conspiracies. It was both, and its members’ political views ranged across a spectrum from the overtly revolutionary to the more moderate. But despite many paying lip-service to the Stuart cause, only a minority were ever active insurgents and for many, if not most, loyalty to James Stuart ebbed and flowed

>Outwardly, French Freemasonry had a similar structure to that in England. One of its principal functions was to provide a forum for gentlemanly association and membership of the ‘right’ lodge validated one’s status in Society

>>509844915
The number of reactionaries who think the American Revolution was not the same as the French Revolution astounds me.

>>509872456
> The Ancien Regime was based and redpilled, and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
It wasn’t tough. Not since Louis XIV anyways. He neutered the nobility and replaced them with bureaucrats, who then replaced the monarchy with a republic

>>509873904
Imbecile

>>509896884
>Despite opposition from within the Catholic Church and government circles, freemasonry achieved traction within the French aristocracy and among the wealthy to the extent that in September 1737 the Daily Advertiser could report from its correspondent in Paris that

>"The Order of Freemasons lately established here meets with great success; everyone is desirous of being admitted a member, and numbers are daily taken in at the expence [sic] of ten Louis d’Ors each… There are nineteen lodges already constituted’. Indeed, according to the press, so successful was freemasonry that ‘the ladies are about to establish a counter order in imitation."

>Where French freemasonry differed from its Anglo-Saxon counterpart was in its embrace of a more complex, theatrical, and quasi-spiritual chivalric ritual. This found adherents among the aristocracy and Court circles elsewhere in Europe, including the German states, Austria and Sweden, where it would later be transformed by Charles XIII into the Swedish Rite

>The launch point for chivalric freemasonry is frequently identified, rightly or wrongly, with the oration given at Derwentwater’s Paris lodge in December 1736 by Andrew Michael Ramsay: ‘Chevalier Ramsay’. Ramsay inflated the Craft’s lineage, tracing it back to Abraham, the Jewish patriarchs and ancient Egypt. He placed freemasonry within a medieval context, dating the origin of modern freemasonry to the Crusades when ‘many princes, lords and citizens associated themselves and vowed to restore the Temple of the Christians in the Holy Land, to employ themselves in bringing back their architecture to its first institution’

>>509874214
Based

>>509870194
Byzantine empire were total degens and it’s a miracle they lasted as long as they did. They had eunuchs in government

>>509885178
There was a faction to the left of the mountain that robspierre crushed before he was killed

>>509897018
>Not since Louis XIV anyways. He neutered the nobility and replaced them with bureaucrats

The process began with Francis I, but when Louis XIV took office, his first piece of advice was: "Watch your ass, there are a bunch of nobles all over France seeking power and grandeur". When Louis XV took office, most of this sword-wielding nobility was co-opted into the court society's theater, with all their military talent and lust for power reduced to gossip, banquets (yes, they became fatties), theater, concerts, adultery, mischief, and everything else like this shit:

>>509877248
>>509877330
>>509877396
>>509877447

It's a very cunning process, but one that irreparably damaged French society.

>>509890006
Found the kikes

>>509897163
t. Pseudo-Procopius

>>509897807
It’s not disputed

>>509897991
Historians bit a bait from some random rich guy angry at Justinian, hue.

The "Secret History" is a pseudepigrapha attributed to Procopius of Caesarea that was actually written by a rich man in the empire who was angry that Justinian was putting up in his asses with pro-people reforms. He was probably one of the rich people trying to stir up the green faction in the chariot race against Justinian.

Note that all of Procopius of Caesarea's other records are praising and extolling Justinian's deeds, only this forged "Secret History" is different. The proof of the falsity of these writings is that not even the Catholic Church dared use them against the Byzantine Empire at the height of political and religious division. It had been stored in the Vatican for centuries and no one gave a fuck.

>>509898244
Also, it was a rich guy adherent of the heresy of Arianism with all certainty. The supposed date of the forger's writing matches the period when Justinian hunted down Arianists.

The butthurt of Pseudo-Procopius of Caesarea was such that the author said that Justinian was without his head while his body walked through the palace, he said that the empress was given birth by a demon who fucked with her mother. Pseudo-Procopius even went so far as to defame Belisarius saying he was a hated tyrant without virtue, all records to the contrary. He was one of the greatest generals in history.

>>509897083
>Ramsay argued that the knight crusaders had ‘agreed upon several ancient signs and symbolic words drawn from the well of religion in order to recognize themselves amongst the heathen and Saracens’, and that ‘these signs and words were only communicated to those who promised solemnly, even sometimes at the foot of the altar, never to reveal them’. The Masonic promise was a ‘bond to unite Christians of all nationalities in one confraternity’ and the essence of Ramsay’s chivalric and muscular freemasonry was ‘after the example set by the Israelites when they erected the second Temple who, whilst they handled the trowel and mortar with one hand, in the other held the sword and buckler’

>Alongside praise for freemasonry’s chivalric and mediaeval origins, Ramsay contended that it epitomised all that was virtuous and Enlightened: a sense of humanity, good taste, fine wit, agreeable manners, and a true appreciation of the fine arts, science and religion. He advanced a holistic concept that appealed to Europe’s elites and validated their self-worth. Ramsay also posited that ‘the interests of the Brotherhood are those of mankind as a whole’ and that ‘the subjects of all kingdoms shall learn to cherish one another without renouncing their own country’. In common with Desaguliers, he saw freemasonry as a movement that could unite individuals ‘of all nations’ and actively proselytised it as such

>Ramsay’s oration was influential but one cannot ignore Europe’s long-standing infatuation with chivalric orders, something that dated back to the Crusades. Among many examples are the Knights Hospitallers (formed in 1099), the Order of Saint Lazarus (1100), the Knights Templars (1118), and the Teutonic Knights (1190). Ramsay’s approach pushed at an open door

>>509898524
>French Freemasonry emulated London’s Masonic lodges and had many shared norms. But Jacobitism was influential and the more elaborate ritual and greater religiosity slowly moved the two organisations apart. And there was another difference: the context in which the Lodges met. Britain’s constitutional structure allowed debate and balanced parliamentary and royal authority. In France, the crown lay at the centre of political power and its influence was nearly absolute

>Freemasonry in England was not a constitutional threat, rather the opposite. But in France it was perceived by the Catholic Church as a subversive if not heretical movement. It was an organisation whose leaders were openly elected, advanced deism as a central credo, and promoted the natural liberties, including justice. And freemasonry advocated a rational, analytical, fact-based approach to education, arguably the ultimate threat to an autocracy

>Ramsay’s oration and the imprimatur of France’s aristocratic and mercantile elites led to an influx of new members. And with Derwentwater as Grand Master in France, Britain was concerned that his lobbying on the Stuarts’ behalf might prove to be successful. After all, in England freemasonry had been reorganised to support the Hanoverians and the Duke of Richmond and Jean Theophilus Desaguliers had only two years earlier established lodges at Paris and Aubigny to promote a Hanoverian and Whiggist political agenda

>English Masonic Influence in France

>Although French Freemasonry is commonly associated with Jacobitism, many French freemasons were Anglophiles who favoured the ‘natural liberties’ and Enlightenment philosophical concepts associated with constitutional government, English culture, and Newton’s rationalist science

>>509898703
>The Duke of Richmond established English Lodges in Paris and at his country estate at Aubigny which were used to positive diplomatic effect. And other lodges in Paris also adopted English mores including Saint-Thomas du Louis d’Argent, Bussy-Aumont, and Villeroy-Coustos

>Established in around 1727 with an English charter granted in 1732, Louis d’Argent’s members were a combination of French aristocrats and reformist intellectuals, including Judge Davy de la Fautrière, Count Chauvelin, Jacques Pernetti and Jean Gresset, interested in Enlightenment ideas and Newtonian science. Lodge Bussy-Aumont, established some years later in 1736, was a similar aggregation of Enlightenment intellectuals and aristocrats, many of whom were affiliated with the military. The Master of the Lodge was an English painter, Louis Collins, with a membership that included the Duc d’Aumont (Louis XV’s First Gentleman of the Bedchamber), Abbé Le Camus (of the King’s Guards), and the Marquis de Calviere, who later founded lodges in Avignon and Languedoc. The lodges worked English Masonic ritual (albeit in French), and provided a forum for scientific and other lectures similar to those given in English lodges

>The initiation ceremony practiced in French Lodges was the subject of an exposure in the January 1738 edition of The Gentleman’s Magazine:

>The Gentleman’s Magazine, Vol. 8 (1738) p. 54

>The Gentleman’s Magazine, Vol. 8 (1738) p. 55.

>With the election of officers and by-laws enacted on majority vote, a radical concept in Europe, the Lodges set a modest challenge to the monarch-centred institutions that characterised Louis XV’s France

>>509898892
>From a British standpoint, such Lodges provided a route along which Britain’s Protestant politicians could bring open-minded French Catholics and others into their social and cultural milieu, creating a bridge across the religious divide and presenting progressive, reformist Catholics with a mechanism to understand the Enlightenment values and the social mores of Whig Britain. Importantly, the three Craft degrees underlined the Whiggish principles of natural liberty, justice and religious toleration

>But English Masonic lodges in France could also serve another purpose. With Jacobite freemasonry gaining traction, London sought to add to its intelligence gathering capability in Paris and within barely a month of Chevalier Ramsay’s Oration, John Coustos, a London Freemason, formed a French-speaking English lodge and initiated the Duc de Villeroy, one of Louis XV’s most senior courtiers

>Coustos (pictured), a jeweller, had moved to France a year or so earlier. He was a member of the Lodge at the Rainbow Coffee House in London and subsequently a founder of the Lodge at Prince Eugene’s Head. The Duc de Villeroy’s initiation gave Coustos’s Lodge status which was reflected in it being renamed ‘Villeroy-Coustos’, with Villeroy installed as Master on 17 February 1737 and Coustos his deputy

>Jacques Levine offers an interesting perspective on eighteenth-century French Freemasonry in his paper in AQC 104 (1991), as does an earlier paper on European Freemasonry by Tunbridge and Batham: AQC 83 (1970)

>>509844598 (OP)
>naturalizing jewish population
start of the ending

>>509899056
>The Context

>The key to understanding eighteenth-century English Freemasonry (and modern Freemasonry) is an appreciation of the context in which it developed. The context explains why and how over less than a decade English Freemasonry was remoulded, becoming a predominantly pro-Hanoverian organisation promoting Enlightenment values

>Freemasonry’s leadership was influenced by several factors, among them the Jacobite threat to the Hanoverian succession; persecution by France of its Protestant Huguenot minority, and a sea-change in intellectual thought

>It has been argued that the fear of Protestant persecution should a Catholic monarch be crowned in England was misplaced and that the Pretender, James Stuart, would have favoured religious tolerance and ruled in accord with his father, James II’s Declaration of Indulgence. But while this is a possibility, it is more reasonable to believe that James would have found it difficult to disregard the influence of his main supporters, the kingdoms of France and Spain, each of which continued to persecute their non-Catholic subjects. Britain’s Whig establishment and émigré Huguenot community feared with some justification that a Stuart restoration would lead to religious persecution and the wholesale demolition of their political, social and financial capital

>The 1723 Constitutions were written against this backdrop. British politics had shifted following the English Civil War and the ‘Glorious Revolution’ of 1688. James II had been removed and replaced with William and Mary, who placed parliamentary rule at the heart of government and embraced the idea of a constitutional monarchy. Nonetheless, the death of Queen Anne, the last of the Stuart monarchs, who had succeeded William and Mary, and the accession of George I, created constitutional instability and a large minority in Britain claimed that the throne should have gone to James, Anne’s half-brother and closest relative

>>509844598 (OP)
Who really made it? Denis Diderot with his enciclopedie or Roberspier with ghilotine?

>>509899056
I think i know you. You was that guy who talked to dugin online and mentioned by singing polyushka polye

>>509899282
That was in the Napoleonic Era, you retarded kraut.

>Krauts claim to Hate Jews/Communism
>Yet the Protestant Reformation that fractured Christendom by turning the fight from Christian vs. Muslim/Jew into Catholic vs. Protestants, who allied themselves with the Muslims/Jews, happened in the Holy Roman Empire, where the Jesuits (Northern Italy was part of the HRE) and Rosicrucians, that emerged from Zizzendorf and the Baal Shem Tov merging proto-Protestantism with the Hasidic mysticism of the Kabbalah in Bohemia, to spy/psyop each other with radical movements like the Puritans were for the Anglicans, and fled Europe to Asia after the Thirty Years War in search of Shamballa/Agartha, manipulating Swedenborg and Blavatsky to create Theosophy, which gave rise to Ariosophy/Armanism, which gave rise to Nazism, manipulated like the communists by the same Black Lodge of Tibet
>Yet German Unification was financed by Jewish banker Gerson with Bleichröder, an associate of the Rothschilds, who were Court Jews of the German Nobility of Hesse and the Hannovers alongside the Oppenheimers/Wolfs, cousins of Karl Marx, who financed the Menshevik/Liberal Russian Revolution that enabled the Bolshevik/Communist Revolution
>Yet it was Germans who installed them in Russia (Lenin was sent to Russia in a train by Kaiser Wilhelm II, Israel Lazarevich Gelfand AKA Alexandre Parvus and the Prussians, who also created the Paris Commune and Dreyfus Affair)
>Yet Nazi Party emerged as a political arm of the Thule Society, founded by Rudolf von Sebottendorff, member of the Sabbatean-Frankist Memphis-Misraim through the Jewish Termudi family in Greece/Türkiye, who created Marxism/Communism through the Grand Loge des Philadelphes
>Yet it was Germans who cooperated with the Soviet Union from as early as 1920
>Yet it was Germans who signed that evil treaty in Locarno with the Soviet Union

>>509847981
You’re not an intellectual are you?

>>509900653
>Yet it was Germans who cooperated with the Soviets by establishing numerous military training facilities in the Soviet Union
>Yet it was the Germans that broke the international isolation Soviets were in by diplomatically recognizing them (Mussolini's Italians were first in the whole world by the fucking way)
>Yet it was Germans who literally allied with the Soviet Union to jointly to invade and divide Poland/Eastern Europe that has singlehandedly shielded the entire continent from a Bolshevik (German installed, remember) invasion 19 year prior, in the same way as Churchill and FDR, who the Nazis accused of what they themselves did before with Stalin
>Yet it was Germans who carved up Europe between the Soviets and themselves where they gave Stalin the most anti-communist nations in the world, agreed to the landgrab in Romania, a supposed German ally and agreed to the Soviet invasion of Finland
>Yet it was Germans who tried to get Soviets into the Axis by promising them India
>Yet it was Germans who held multiple Gestapo-NKVD conferences
>Yet it was Germans who invited Molotov to Berlin in 1940 to further carve up the world

Hjalmar Schacht started the Industriellenausgabe (industrial petition) which brought Hitler to power. Hjalmar Schacht writes in his autobiography that he was a freemason, and he visited freemasons in Turkey who told him most if not all of the leaders of the Young Turks were Freemasons (if they weren't Dönmeh) and they were responsible for toppling the Ottoman Empire which allowed the British Mandate of Palestine to comply with the Balfour Declaration (which was made 9 days before the end of WW1 just as the State of Israel was created 3 years after WW2).

In books describing Freemasonry it is written that Freemasons are Noahides, followers of noah, a jewish man who built an alter for YHWH. So not only did Schacht overthrow and regime changed the German regime, he also met with other fellow regime changers co-conspirators in secret.

>>509897604

Versailles was a gilded cage for the Fronde.

>>509900653
stfu you fucking kike
>January 1790: Sephardic Jews (mainly in southern France) were granted citizenship.
>September 27, 1791: The National Assembly voted to grant full citizenship to all Jews in France, including Ashkenazi communities in Alsace and Lorraine

>>509847231
I am not reading it. I once read the source of your text and you entirely changed the meaning to opposite. The one of Russell on scientific society

>>509900554
Jewish occultist Cagliostro started it, see further up the thread, 509861321 >>509865151 >>509865626
>“the queen’s death must be dated from the Diamond Necklace trial” (Napoleon, 1814)

>>509847981
It was not. Although it's pretty funny that he was the commie skipped consolidating power and went straight to throwing the people who had supported him in to the mass graves.

>>509899507
>This was not possible without constitutional change: as a Catholic, James was barred from the throne by the Act of Settlement which restricted Britain’s monarchs to James I’s Protestant heirs alone

>In the early decades of the eighteenth century, Britain was beginning to embrace revolutionary ideas in agriculture, mining, manufacturing and finance, and treading a path towards the foothills of an industrial revolution. With the benefit of relatively peaceful relations with Europe, international trade and economic growth accelerated and over the following half-century London would be cemented in place at the centre of an international trading empire. Protecting prosperity became a central political objective for successive British governments and was linked inextricably to safeguarding constitutional government and the Enlightenment beliefs that sustained it

>Freemasonry was part of this project from the early 1720s. Rather than remain a low-key forum for fraternal sociability, the Grand Lodge of England emerged at the leading edge of eighteenth-century society with Freemasonry a vector for the Enlightenment in several of its different guises

>The Jacobites in France

>The threat posed to Hanoverian Britain by the exiled James Stuart – ‘the king over the water’, ‘the Pretender’ – was considerable. Stuart (pictured), the son of the exiled James II and his second wife, Mary of Modena, was Queen Anne’s closest relative, her half-brother, but as a Catholic he was excluded from the throne by the 1701 Act of Settlement which restricted the succession to the Protestant heirs of James I of England (James VI of Scotland). The coronation of George I, Prince George of Hanover, Anne’s closest Protestant relative and James Stuart’s second cousin, led to riots in England and an uprising in Scotland with Stuart’s supporters seeking to overthrow the new Hanoverian line

>>509844991
Correct. They were both horrific psy-ops perpetrated by freemasons that destroyed European civilization forever.

>>509844598 (OP)
>>509844915
all of these were jewish revolutions

>>509900740
the neonazis here are as retarded as christkikes who refuse to acknowledge that jesus was a jew. They have literally zero knowledge about thing they believe in and no brain capacity to think for themselves, understand facts and logically conclude things from real info they are given.

>>509900941
I'm talking about the Exit of the Jews from the Ghetto, you retard. They had no De Facto rights (if you ignore cases like: >>509864778 something I'm going to post inb4) until this event because of the chaos that the French Revolution generated.

>Jewish emancipation was the process in various nations in Europe of eliminating Jewish disabilities, to which European Jews were then subject, and the recognition of Jews as entitled to equality and citizenship rights. It included efforts within the community to integrate into their societies as citizens. It occurred gradually between the late 18th century and the early 20th century

>Jewish emancipation followed after the Age of Enlightenment and the concurrent Haskalah, or Jewish Enlightenment. Various nations repealed or superseded previous discriminatory laws applied specifically against Jews where they resided. Before the emancipation, most Jews were isolated in residential areas from the rest of the society; emancipation was a major goal of European Jews of that time, who worked within their communities to achieve integration in the majority societies and broader education. Many became active politically and culturally within wider European civil society as Jews gained full citizenship. They immigrated to countries offering better social and economic opportunities, such as the United Kingdom and the Americas. Some European Jews turned to socialism, Zionism or both

>Napoleon freed the Jews in areas he conquered in Europe outside France (see Napoleon and the Jews). Jewish emancipation, implemented under Napoleonic rule in French occupied and annexed states, suffered a setback in many member states of the German Confederation following the decisions of the Congress of Vienna

>>509901372
>and something I'm going to post inb4
Fix'd.

You may wonder why Charlemagne, the Germanic Father of Europe and founder of the HRE, gave concessions to the Jewish people, essentially granting them a monopoly on usury. Allow me to explain why. Thierry IV, mentioned in these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_IV

https://www.geni.com/people/Thierry-I-count-of-Autun/6000000002071341413
https://gw.geneanet.org/cousinjeanne?lang=es&n=david&oc=0&p=makhir+ben+habibai

Was also known as Makhir of Narbonne, a Jewish exilarch and Prince of Septimania. If you didn't know, exilarchs could only be from the Davidic Bloodline, meaning they were descendants of David in exile leading Jewish communities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhir_of_Narbonne

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Jewish_Princedom_in_Feudal_France

Makhir was married to Auda of France, Charlemagne's aunt:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auda_of_France

Their son, William of Gellone, became a Catholic saint, he was Charlemagne cousin. Their descendants, including Guillem and Heribert of Gellones, continued to intermarry with the Carolingian dynasty. This ensured that Carolingian rulers inherited the Davidic lineage. Also descended from Thierry IV/Makhir of Narbonne, Godfroi de Bouillon, Duke of Lorraine and conqueror of Jerusalem during the crusades. This is the ground zero of the Kabbalists, Templars and Renaissance Occultists/Rosicrucians/Freemasons.

https://gw.geneanet.org/guillemaud1?lang=en&p=heribert&n=de+gellone

Considering that virtually every European ruler, and much of Europe in general, are descendants of the Carolingians, it's quite clear that European royals carry the blood of David.

>>509844598 (OP)
Honestly the revolution was kinda gay.
It birthed Liberalism, Socialism and Nationalism, all of these are mistakes from hell that never should've happened.
Liberalism hollowed out our society, Socialism extracts our resources and Nationalism is forced centralization and turns the people into attack dogs.

We should've remained decentralized in village societies ruled from the distance by a monarch.

>>509845421
This is why I think it's based and French isn't. Plebs are coomers and/or gangsters generally.

>>509901075
>Louis XIV had allowed James II and his son to remain in France but from 1716 the exiled Stuart Court was based in Papal territory first at Avignon and then finally at Rome. France nonetheless remained a centre of support and home to many Jacobites

>Historians take opposing views of the Jacobites and Jacobite freemasonry. Some argue that it functioned as a fraternal association of exiled Jacobites and a private space for men of a similar social status. Others hold that France and Paris in particular was a well-spring of Stuart conspiracies. Both are probably correct, with Jacobite political views spanning a range from revolutionary to more moderate. And despite many paying lip service to the Stuart cause, only a minority were active insurgents and loyalty to the Stuart cause ebbed and flowed

>In Paris, Jacobite Freemasonry under the exiled Lord Derwentwater gained traction and began to accrue support in court and government circles. Britain’s ambassador to France, Earl Waldegrave, a member of the Duke of Richmond’s Horn Tavern Lodge, warned London that the Jacobites were lobbying Louis XV and his ministers to favour the Stuart cause and that freemasonry had become integral to the process. Regardless, Cardinal Fleury, Louis XV’s chief minister, believed the Jacobites lacked sufficient backing to guarantee a Stuart Restoration and offered only limited support. Indeed, French assistance was modest until Fleury’s death in 1743 when more hawkish officials took his place and helped facilitate the 1745 Rising

>>509856332
>Irish Freemasonry in 18th Century France

>There is great need for further and more accurate research on 18th Century Freemasonry. Nowhere is this need more apparent than for 18th Century France. That is not to say that good research is lacking. It is simply that so much material exists which has not yet been studied

>>509901988
>Those who have taken a cursory look at the archives returned to France from Russia recently have noted that only a small percentage of the material has been examined. With that in mind, the influence of Scotland and Ireland in the development of Freemasonry and especially the higher degrees in 18th Century France is a topic which deserves greater respect than it has been given in Anglophone circles

>Freemasonry was unquestionably brought to France by Scottish and Irish Jacobites who were garrisoned there. Whether or not they were the first to do so, is still being debated by some. That they had a great impact on the development of the Higher Degrees in 18th Century France should not be. When the impact and presence of the Irish and Scots in Pre-Revolutionary France is taken into consideration, their involvement in the development of Freemasonry should not be hard to reconcile

>The Irish Brigade was a brigade in the French army composed of Irish exiles, led by Robert Reid. It was formed in May 1690 when five Jacobite regiments were sent from Ireland to France in return for a larger force of French infantry who were sent to fight in the Williamite war in Ireland. The Irish Brigade served as part of the French Army until 1792

>Under the terms of the Treaty of Limerick in 1691, which ended the war between King James II and VIIand King William III in Ireland, a separate force of 12,000 Jacobites had arrived in France in an event known as Flight of the Wild Geese. These were kept separate from the Irish Brigade and were formed into King James's own army in exile, albeit in the pay of France. Lord Dorrington's regiment, later Rooth or Roth, following the Treaty of Ryswick in 1698, was formed from the former 1st and 2nd battalions James II's Royal Irish Foot Guards (formerly on the Irish establishment) of Britain

>>509902143
>The Irish Brigade became one of the elite units of the French Army. While increasingly diluted by French and foreign recruits from elsewhere in Europe, its Irish-born officers and men often aspired to return to aid Ireland and regain their ancestral lands, as some did during the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745

>Irish regiments participated in most of the major land battles fought by the French between 1690 and 1789, particularly Steenkirk (1692), Neerwinden (1693),Marsaglia (1693), Blenheim (1704), Almansa (1707), Malplaquet (1709), Fontenoy (1745), Battle of Lauffeld (1747); and Rossbach (1757)

>They also remained strongly attached to the Jacobite cause, taking part in the rising of 1715 and the rising of 1745. For the latter, a composite battalion of infantry ("Irish Picquets") comprising detachments from each of the regiments of the Irish Brigade, plus one squadron of cavalry, was sent to Scotland. This force saw action at the second Battle of Falkirk (where they cemented the victory by driving off the Hanoverians causing the clans to waver) and Culloden, alongside the regiment of Royal Scots (Royal Ecossais) which had been raised the year before in French service. As serving soldiers of the French King the Irish Picquets were permitted to formally surrender after Culloden with a promise of honourable treatment, and were not subjected to the reprisals suffered by the Highland clansmen. Many other exiled Jacobites in the French army were captured en route to Scotland in late 1745 and early 1746, including significantly, Charles Radcliffe, 5th Earl of Derwentwater, a captain in Dillon's regiment who was executed in London in 1746

>Freemasonry in Ireland is the second oldest system in the world and the first evidence for its formally institutionalized existence comes from the Dublin Weekly Journal of June 26th 1725

>>509902311
>The paper describes an event which took place two days previously on June 24th - a meeting to install the new Grand Master, the 1st Earl of Rosse. Unfortunately the exact date of the foundation of the Grand Lodge is not known, but the installation of a new Grand Master would suggest it was already in existence for some time

>There is considerable evidence that there were Masonic Lodges meeting in Ireland prior to the eighteenth century, for example the manuscript known as "the Trinity Tripos" dating to the 1680s, and the Baal's Bridge Square, discovered in Limerick in the mid nineteenth century, which dates to the early sixteenth century

>The following article sheds some light on the presence and involvement of Irish Masons in the Irish Brigades in France prior to the French Revolution. The slightly out of date, and biased character of the author's opinions do not detract from a fairly concise documentation of some basic data on the Irish role in the development of Freemasonry in France. It was written by Richard Hayes for The Old Limerick Journal, French Edition in 1932 and more recently reproduced on the official website of the City of Limerick, in Ireland

>The Irish Brigade and Freemasonry

>Certain facts disclose Irish influences of various kinds that contributed to the establishment of masonry in France in the eighteenth century – some authorities even maintain that it was introduced there by Irish Jacobites. The cult was apparently non-existent in France until 1721. In that year, an English Catholic nobleman, Lord Derwentwater, and an Irishman, O’Hegarty, a prominent shipowner established at Dunkirk the first civil lodge in that country. Four years later, they established a similar one at Paris, while, in 1732, ‘one Martin Kelly’ founded the first lodge at Bordeaux. The lodges were largely composed of Jacobite exiles and their main object was the restoration of the Stuarts to the English throne

>emancipation of the jews in france
>based and redpilled

>>509844598 (OP)
>French revolution
Which part of it?
Necker & Calonne?
>Third Estate, Tennis Court Oath, and National Assembly, Declaration of the Rights of Man?
>Storming the Bastille, March on Versailles?
>Robespierre and the Jacobins?
>The Terror? Killing the King and Family?
>Committee on public safety, Cult of the supreme being
>Napoleon, "Spreading Democracy" meme, Invention of the modern military draft.
>Restoration of the Monarchy

Honestly which part are you talking about? The revolution has contradictory aims at any given moment.

It was jewish. Replaced by a system run by Jews.

>>509902397
>At that period, it was, however, in the French army that the chief strength of masonry lay, and this continued right up to the Revolution, in the causation of which it is now seen more and more clearly, as has been stated elsewhere, that Masonic influences played a large part. The number of lodges in the various regiments increased from the year 1750 to the outbreak of the Revolution in 1789, and various dates during that interval mark the years of their constitution

>In the official list of French lodges, that of Walsh’s Irish Regiment (La Loge Parfaite Egalité) always took premier place. In 1772, the Grand Lodge of France definitely recognized it as the senior Field Loge of the French army and, in addition, admitted its claim to date its constitution from the year 1688. This was confirmed by the Grand Orient in 1777. (The regiment, which was originally that of Roth, did not leave Ireland until 1691). In the middle of the eighteenth century we find the military lodge of this regiment composed of MacCarthys, Butlers, Nagles, O’Callaghans, Husseys, Keatings, FitzPatricks and other representatives of old Irish Catholic families

>At the same period there was a lodge in Dillon’s Regiment functioning at St Germain-en-Laye which was made up of Lallys, Lynches, Burkes, O’Neills, Dillons, MacDonnells, Fitzgerals…And at this time, too, Jacobite influences in various French Masonic clubs were shown by the names given to new degrees – ‘Irish Master’,‘Perfect Irish Master,’ ‘Puissant Irish Master,’ &c.

>>509902666
>In his interesting work, La Franc-maçonnerie en France des origins à 1815, the Catholic writer, Gustave Bord, states:

>"For more than a hundred years historians and economists are asking why a country so fundamentally monarchical and Catholic as France could have suddenly changed its ideals and faith. France was sick at the end of the eighteenth century and that sickness was due largely to masonry and particularly to the Masonic spirit. It is there we must look for the real causes and logical explanation of the Revolution… In 1689, the Irish regiments embarked for France with their military rolls and their Masonic rolls – the former were executive agents, the latter the directive power. It was through the Jacobites, who followed James the Second into France, that masonry was introduced into the French army."

>"And Louis Madelin… perhaps the most dispassionate historian of the Revolution, in his analysis of political and social conditions in France immediately before that event, writes in La Revolution Fraçaise (1911) that the army, which was the cradle in France of freemasonry, introduced by the Irish regiments from England, continued to be its favourite haunt."

>"For some time before the outbreak of the Revolution, the Masonic cluibs, under the sinister influence of German Illuminism, were undoubtedly active centers of intrigue against the Monarchy and the Church. The majority of the French nobles had been members, but on seeing the trend of opinion in their circles they began to leave the clubs during the years immediately previous to 1789."

>"In the first year of the Revolution there was a well known Masonic club in Paris, the Club de la Propagande, whose object was not only to consolidate the Revolution in France but to spread its principles to other countries"

>>509902812
>The leading figures of the time were among its members – Robespierre, Lafayette, Condorcet, Danton, Abbé Gregoire and others. The names of its Irish members are given in the records as ‘Boyle, Okard and O’Konnor.”

>(Reprinted from Ireland and Irishmen in the French Revolution, London, 1932)

Many Latin American countries had military men of Irish ancestrality as founding fathers. Daniel Florence O'Leary in Venezuela, Juan Mackenna and Bernardo O'Higgins in Chile, Peter Campbell in Uruguay, John Thomond O'Brien and William Brown in Argentina, Francisco Burdett O'Connor in Bolivia, James Rooke in Colombia. France had a president and Spain a PM descended from Irish military families (Patrice MacMahon and Leopoldo O'Donnell). The point in what I'm saying is all of Ireland's military energy was devoted either to fighting for foreign Catholic armies abroad, rebelling at home (without access to actual military resources), fighting as footsoldiers for the British or US armies. The Irish in fact have an extremely eminent history of service in foreign armies. Peter Lacy was one of the most famous Russian generals before Suvorov. The Irish Brigade in French service played a crucial role in winning the battle of Fontenoy.

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>>509860753
>The Magi

>The history of the Persians is practically undocumented prior to their conquest of Babylon under Cyrus the Great. The Persians are regarded as an Indo-European people who, by the sixth century BC, had settled in Parsa, Greek Persis or modern Fars, the mountainous region east of the Persian Gulf’s northern coastline, or much of what is today known as Iran. Cyrus’ career began in 560 BC, when, as heir to the ruling Persian Achaemenid dynasty, the official name for the Persian royal family, he inherited the title of king. In 547 BC, he defeated Croessus, the king of Lydia, who had ruled all of Asia Minor west of the Halys River, and brought the Greek cities of Ionia on the coast into his realm. He briefly turned his attention to the east before aiming towards the principal power in his path, Babylon, which he took in 539 BC, without casualties, inaugurating the Neo-Babylonian empire

>>509904376
>The Persians were followers of the religion of Zoroastrianism, founded by Zarathustra, or Zoroaster to the Greeks, which also emerged in the sixth century BC, and which exercised a formative influence on many of the philosophical and religious systems of antiquity, including Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The exact date of Zoroaster’s mission though is unknown. He was thought by the Greeks to have lived several thousands of years before the fall of Troy, but according to Zoroastrian accounts he flourished “ years before Alexander.” Alexander conquered Persia in 330 BC. Therefore, Zoroaster’s birthdate would have been 628 BC, if, as according to tradition, he was forty years old when he converted the king Vishtaspa, in 588 BC. It was then that he had received a vision from Ahura Mazda, the Wise Lord, who appointed him to preach the truth, but he was apparently opposed at first by the religious authorities in the area in which he preached. However, after the conversion of Hystaspes, Darius’ father, he remained at the king’s court, and other officials were converted

>Zoroastrianism is believed to have been originally monotheistic, but to have later been modified by its priests, the Magi. Thus, while most religions posit the existence of an evil principle inferior to the good God, Zoroastrianism became the origin of a type of dualism wherein evil is elevated to the rank of a god, equal but opposite to the good, both existing eternally at war with each other. One is Ahura Mazda, the God, lord of goodness and of light. The other is Ahriman, the Destructive or Tormenting Spirit, lord of evil and darkness. According to Diogenes Laertius, Greek scholar of the third century AD, “Aristotle in the first book of his work On Philosophy says that the Magi are more ancient even than the Egyptians, and that according to them there are two first principles, a good spirit and an evil spirit, one called Zeus and Ahura Mazda, the other Hades and Ahriman.”

>>509904415
>The principle sources on Zoroaster’s teachings consist of the Avesta, the Zoroastrian scripture, which contains the Yasna, Visparad, Videvdat, and the Yashts, and a collection of later religious documents, such as the Bundahishn, Denkard, Zadspram, and many more. While the Avesta may retain a few of the features of the original teachings of Zoroaster, it is believed to have derived its authority from “faithfully preserved” older traditions. However, these sources were mostly compiled after the eighth century AD, and as Nigosian comments, “how much of its contents date from the earliest period, and how much of it was rewritten to make the past agree with the realities and beliefs of the time in which it was composed is, of course, open to question.” Therefore, a number of non-Zoroastrian ancient sources are important to an understanding of the early Zoroastrianism, mainly from Greek and Roman writers

>However, those ideas attributed to the Magi by the ancient Greeks and Romans, are not reflected in the Zoroastrian texts. This has puzzled scholars and led them to believe that the Greeks invented the ideas they attributed to the Magi. However, a perusal of their accounts shows that the ideas attributed to them were consistent. The problem was solved by Franz Cumont and Joseph Bidez, in Les Mages Hellenises, of “The Hellenized Magi”, but the work remains untranslated. Also useful is the world of RC Zaehner, Zurvan, A Zoroastrian Dilemma. Essentially, these scholars have discovered that those with whom the Greeks had become acquainted with were not orthodox Zoroastrians, but heretics, who had altered Zoroaster’s original teachings, and among whom we find the first indication of what would later comprise the teachings of the Kabbalah: a ritual of death and rebirth, a divine trinity associated with the Sun, Moon and Venus, dualism, pantheism, numerology, astrology, and the belief in reincarnation

>>509904444
>As Yamauchi describes, “the relationship of the Magi to Zoroaster and his teachings is a complex and controversial issue.” Ever since the early days of the Achaemenid empire, there had existed an antagonism with the proponents of true Zoroastrianism and the Magi. Essentially, when the Persians conquered Babylon, the Magi had come into contact with the Chaldeans, whose beliefs and teachings they introduced into their version of Zoroastrians. Therefore, as long as the Persian empire lasted, there was always a distinction between the Persian Magi, the official priestly caste, and the Babylonian Magi, who were often considered to be outright impostors. From the time of Xerxes however, they began to receive increasing favour at court, until the title of Magi eventually lost its heretical connotations. As the French Assyriologist Lenormant noted, “to their influence are to be ascribed nearly all the changes which, towards the end of the Achaemenid dynasty, corrupted deeply the Zoroastrian faith, so that it passed into idolatry.”

>From the fourth century BC on, the Magi were increasingly associated with the Chaldeans as sorcerers and astrologers. The Greek and Latin words for magic, mageia and magia was originally derived in reference to the supposed arts the Magi. As a reflection of this reputation, a Hippocratic treatise from the late fifth century BC, declares that the Magi are the sort of persons who “profess to know how to bring down the moon, to eclipse the sun, to make storm and sunshine, rain and drought, the sea impassable and the earth barren.” Through the association of Zoroastrianism with the Magi, Zoroaster became renowned as a great sage, and numerous pseudepigraphical books on religion, magic and astrology were ascribed to him. The Greeks saw in Zoroaster’s name the word “star,” and it was explained by Hermodorus, a pupil of Plato, as meaning “star worshipper.”

>>509904503
>By the first century AD, in his Natural History, Pliny made Zoroaster the founder of magic:

>"Undoubtedly magic began in Persia with Zoroaster, as authorities are agreed. But there is insufficient agreement about whether he was the only man by that name, or whether there was another and later Zoroaster. What is particularly surprising is that the tradition and craft should have endured for so long; no original writings survive, nor are they preserved by any well-known or continuous line of subsequent authorities. For few people know anything by reputation of those who survive only in name and lack any memorials, as, for example, Apusorus and Zaratas of Media, Marmarus and Arabantiphocus of Babylon, or Tarmoendas of Assyria."

>Though the Magi had continued the magical traditions of the Chaldeans, they were primarily recognized as specialists in theurgy, or necromancy, that is, divination by means of summoning the spirits of the dead, or as Plato defined the practice, in the Alcibiades I, “the service of the gods.” Pliny transmitted a definition of magic by a famous Magi named Osthanes: “there are several forms of it (i.e. magic); he professes to divine from water, globes, air, stars, lamps, basins and axes, and by many other methods, and besides to converse with ghosts and those in the underworld.” Therefore, when Roman satirist Lucian wishes to send one of his characters down to the realm of the dead, he resorts to the renowned experts: “as I was puzzling over these matters, it occurred to me to go to Babylon and ask one of the Magi, Zoroaster’s disciples and successors. I had heard that they could open the gates of the underworld with certain spells and rites and conduct and bring back up safely whomever they wished

>>509904532
>Though communion with evil spirits was strictly forbidden in the orthodox version of the faith, the accounts of Greek authors accord in many respects with the doctrines of those referred to in the Avesta, and other Zoroastrian literature, as a certain people hostile to the orthodox community, called “sorcerers” or “deava worshippers”, or devil-worshippers. As the Greater Bundahishn criticized, the prime object of worship the false Magi was Ahriman, for “by the religion of the sorcerers (Ahriman) so inclines men to love him and to hate Ahura Mazda that they abandon the cult of Ahura Mazda and practice that of Ahriman.” In essence, through his knowledge of evil, the sorcerer seeks to subdue to the devil to his will, and to force him into his service, or if he is less competent, to appease him with sacrifice and prayers. The earliest reference to the cult in the west of Persia, is an inscription of the emperor Xerxes in which he appears to boast of having destroyed a deava temple

>The worship of Ahriman was partly justified by a heresy created by the Magi, known as Zurvanism, whereby the simple cosmic dualism of two opposing gods was altered into a more subtle sort of dualism. It is according to Zurvanism that Ahriman becomes the lord of this world, the original conception of the devil as the “Prince of this World.” The teachings of Zurvanism however, can only be pieced together from scattered sources, and it is not known at what date precisely they emerged. Dr. I Gershevitch, however, has demonstrated that Zurvan existed as god of Time already by the end of the sixth century BC. Mary Boyce indicated that the heresy seems to have been adopted as the true orthodoxy by the late Achaemenid kings, and their successors the Sassanians

>The first account of Zurvanite doctrine is derived from the fourth century BC, from Eudemus of Rhodes, a pupil of Aristotle, though surviving only through Damascius, a philosopher of the sixth century AD

>>509904556
>A further reference is found in the so-called Hymn of the Magi, reported by Dio Chrysostom, a Greek philosopher and rhetorician of the first century AD. 50 Theopompus, a Greek historian of the fourth century BC, though not mentioning Zurvan by name, recounted a Zurvanite doctrine linked to a version of the astrological Great-Year. According to Plutarch, a Greek author of the first century AD:

>"Theopompus says that, according to the Magians, for three thousand years alternatively the one god will dominate the other and be dominated, and that for another three thousand years they will fight and make war, until one smashes up the domain of the other. In the end Hades [Ahriman] shall perish and men shall be happy; neither shall they need substance nor shall they cast a shadow, while the god who will have brought this about shall have quiet and shall rest, not for a long while indeed for a god, but for such time as would be reasonable for a man who falls asleep. Such is the mythology of the Magians."

>Zurvan Akaran, Boundless Time or Fate, was seen as the father of twin sons, Ahura Mazda and Ahriman, who battle each other for twelve thousand years, divided into four cycles of three thousand years, with each millennium governed by a sign of the Zodiac. During the first three thousand, ruled by Aries, Taurus and Gemini, Ahura Mazda created light, patterned after the celestial light. The second three, Cancer, Leo and Virgo, is the period of the creation of life in the material world: vegetation, fire, the primeval bull, and Gayomart, the primordial man. In the third period, Ahriman, who has been imprisoned in darkness, is revived by the Whore, and renews his assault on Ahura Mazda and his creation

>>509904587
>Ahriman creates all evil creatures, such as scorpions, toads, and vipers, and destructive forces, storms, drought, disease, and death, and destroys vegetation, the fire, the bull and Gayormart. Then the spiritual beings bound Ahriman and carried him off to Hell. Ahura Mazda now brings about the resurrection, and from the corpse of the Bull the sterile land is fertilized, the fire is rekindled, and from the dead Gayomart creates the ancestors of mankind. The first couple have free will and at first choose to serve Ahura Mazda, but Ahriman tempts and deceives them, introducing corruption into the world. And the war goes on, dominating man’s history until the coming of Zoroaster, whose advent begins the final period to last until the Day of Judgment, with the coming of the saviour, when a flood of molten metal shall burn the wicked, while the righteous will pass unharmed, and good and evil are finally separated from one another

>An important testimony of the religious situation in the Sassanid empire refers to three religious currents in Iran, the first of which advanced a system of three principles — the good, the just and the evil, an obvious reference to Zurvanism: the good principle being Ohrmazd; the just, Zurvan; and the evil, Ahriman. The other two currents were respectively the doctrine of the two principles — clearly dualist Zoroastrianism — and that of the seven principles, which still eludes identification. Besides the strict Zoroastrian dualism, elevated to the status of orthodoxy in the Sassanid empire, there also existed a ‘monotheistic’ version of Zoroastrianism, according to which it was a supreme God that had created Ahriman and the world was thereafter subjected to their dual treatment, the good deriving from God and the evil from Ahriman. Another Zoroastrian trend during the Sassanid era sought the origin of Ahriman ina transformation in the good principle, an ‘evil thought’ that gave rise to its evil opposite.“

>>509904611
>This threefold division is reported by Eznik of Kolb in his work Against the Sects, in Schmidt's translation, Wieder die Sekten, p. 87. The interpretation of the adherents of the three principles as Zurvanites follows Zaehner’s reading of Eznik’s report in Zurvan, pp. 28-9

>The Zoroastrian religious work Denkart (‘Acts of the Religion’) alluded to another type of threefold division among the religious trends in Iran: the first, the yatukih, recognized the creator as entirely maleficent; the second, ‘the religion of false dogma’, approached the creator as both maleficent and beneficent; and finally the third, ‘the religion of the worshippers of Mazda or Ohrmazd’, extolled the Creator as wholly beneficent. The religion of the believers and worshippers of a maleficent creator, condemned by the orthodox Zoroastrians as an ‘evil knowledge’, was described as a hidden heresy and in its rite of the ‘mystery of the sorcerers’ Ahriman, the Destroyer, was praised in ‘great secrecy. The heretical sorcerers were accused of trying to spread the religion of Ahriman in the name of Ohrmazd and thus of prompting men to abandon the worship of Ohrmazd and turn to Ahriman. Their teachings were based on a drastic reversal of Zoroastrian tenets and practices; according to Zoroastrian orthodoxy Ahriman was not conciliated by their worship but was becoming more vicious and violent. Whether the heretical ‘mystery of the sorcerers’ differed from, coalesced with or was identical to the pre-Zoroastrian daeva-worship, vestiges of which survived well into the Sassanid era, can only be conjectured, but certainly both were treated as equally dangerous by Zoroastrian orthodoxy and were suppressed

>>509844915

Same with the Mexican “revolution” literally bands of beaners mowing each other down in ghetto drive by shootings. The Mexican revolution accomplished nothing for overall humanity. Pancho villa was a criminal, a bandit, and died like one. And so were men that “won”

>>509904611
>The zealous Zoroastrian prelate Kartir, who was particularly influential in the late third century, conducted. concerted campaigns against everything he regarded as daeva-worship. In his inscription at Nagsh-i Rustam, Kartir proclaimed that ‘great blows and torment befell Ahriman and the daevas, whose heresy ‘departed and was routed from the empire’, while the abodes of the daevas were ‘made into thrones and seats of gods’. Kartir's crusade against daevaworship was accompanied by measures against the other religions in the Sassanid empire. The Zoroastrian priesthood was reformed; Kartir's inscription recorded that Zoroastrianism and the Magians were greatly exalted in the Sassanid empire

>These two forms of Zoroastrianism are attested by later Islamic writers like alBaghdadi and al-Shahrastani and their evidence is discussed in Zaehner, The Dawn and Twilight, pp. 180-1

>Madan, Dinkard, p. 154, quoted after Zaehner’s translation of the names of the sects in Zurvan, p. 13

>Quoted from the recent translation of Kartir’s inscription by D. N. Mackenzie in Jranische Denkmiiler, Reihe 2, Lief 13 (Berlin, 1989), p. 58

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>The Cult of Ahriman. That there existed Ahriman worshippers is attested by Plutarch and in a Dēnkard passage. The former (Isis and Osiris 46) says that Zoroaster taught the Persians to sacrifice to Areimanios “offerings for averting ill, and things of gloom. For, pounding in a mortar a herb called omomi, they invoke Hades and darkness; then having mingled it with the blood of a slaughtered wolf, they bear it forth into a sunless place and cast it away.” And the Dēnkard (p. 182.6) says: “The perverted, devilish, unrighteous rite of the "mystery of the sorcerers" consists in praising Ahriman, the destroyer.” Such a cult must have passed to the mysteries of Mithra, where dedications are found Deo Arimanio

>After being ejected from Ohrmazd’s spiritual world, Ahriman lay in his realm of Darkness in lethargy, his fear of Righteous Man prolonging his passivity. After three millennia, however, Ahriman was finally restored to action by the ‘Accursed Whore’ Jahi. Seen sometimes as the first woman, she was created by Ohrmazd but defected to the Destructive Spirit, by whom she was defiled and elevated as ‘the demon Whore queen of her brood’. Roused by her frenzy to demolish the dignity of the ‘Righteous Man’ and the Bull, Ahriman rallied his demons and weapons and, rising up in the form of a serpent, burst into the visible world at the time of the vernal equinox

>The beginning of Ahriman’s assault seemed to justify his sinister appellation as a ‘destroyer of the world’ — the whole of creation was assailed, ravaged and made powerless and at noon it was invaded by darkness

>>509844598 (OP)
It's based as fuck purely because it resulted in the most kino war of all time

>>509844598 (OP)
>>509844915
yes, being ruled over by an oligarchy of dual citizens is much better than being ruled by a distant relative whose ancestry goes back to the founding of the land
I'm so glad we're in the freemason and Jewish elites' hands now instead of some le rich old white man with absolute power over everything

>>509844991
>brothers murdering each other
>based
maybe the jews were right about the goyim

they didn't die for some divine or holy cause, they murdered each other to serve the satanic, masonic luciferian world order.

>>509904611
>skandola talisman
those who know

>>509904751
>Ahriman’s offensive also set the planets against the constellations in a heavenly war in which the planets, described as ‘pregnant with darkness’, fought on Ahriman’s side. The so-called ‘dark Sun and Moon’, seen as responsible for the eclipses, were bound to the ‘chariot’ of the true Sun and Moon and hence were incapable of harm. In the unfolding war, the leader of the constellations, the Pole Star, confronted the planets’ commander, Saturn, as the Great Bear, Vega, Scorpio and Sirius fought respectively Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury

>Scorpio and the Great Bear, seen as the ‘Chieftain of the North’ and a highly beneficent force (free of any of the Sethian-like associations it had in Egypt), defeated their planetary adversaries but the ‘Ahrimanic’ planets also had their victories: Mars and Saturn prevailed in their contests with the Pole Star and Vega, while Mercury and Sirius proved equally matched. Feared thereafter as the planet of death, in Zoroastrian lore Saturn gained the title of ‘he whose aggression reaches far’, whereas Jupiter, having succumbed to the Great Bear, became the planet of life. In the Zoroastrian astrological scheme the death of the Righteous Man was caused by the predominance of Saturn, the death-bringer, placed in Libra, and ‘victorious’ over the life-bringer, Jupiter, weakly positioned in Capricorn

>>509872173
What more do you need to know?

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>Bon or Bön (Tibetan: བོན་, Wylie: bon, ZYPY: Pön, Lhasa dialect: [pʰø̃̀]), also known as Yungdrung Bon (Tibetan: གཡུང་དྲུང་བོན་, Wylie: gyung drung bon, ZYPY: Yungchung Pön, lit.'eternal Bon'), is the indigenous Tibetan religion which shares many similarities and influences with Tibetan Buddhism. It initially developed in the tenth and eleventh centuries but retains elements from earlier Tibetan religious traditions. Bon is a significant minority religion in Tibet, especially in the east, as well as in the surrounding Himalayan regions

>The relationship between Bon and Tibetan Buddhism has been a subject of debate. According to the modern scholar Geoffrey Samuel, while Bon is "essentially a variant of Tibetan Buddhism" with many resemblances to Nyingma, it also preserves some genuinely ancient pre-Buddhist elements. David Snellgrove likewise sees Bon as a form of Buddhism, albeit a heterodox kind. Similarly, John Powers writes that "historical evidence indicates that Bön only developed as a self-conscious religious system under the influence of Buddhism"

>Followers of Bon, known as "Bonpos" (Wylie: bon po), believe that the religion originated in a kingdom called Zhangzhung, located around Mount Kailash in the Himalayas. Bonpos hold that Bon was brought first to Zhangzhung, and then to Tibet. Bonpos identify the Buddha Shenrab Miwo (Wylie: gshen rab mi bo) as Bon's founder, although no available sources establish this figure's historicity

>Zhangzhung or Shangshung was an ancient kingdom in western and northwestern Tibet, existing from about 500 BCE to 625 CE, pre-dating Tibetan Buddhism. The Zhangzhung culture is associated with the Bon religion, which has influenced the philosophies and practices of Tibetan Buddhism. Zhangzhung people are mentioned frequently in ancient Tibetan texts as the original rulers of today's western Tibet

>>509905956
>Only in the last two decades have archaeologists been given access to do field work in the areas once ruled by the Zhangzhung

>Bonpo tradition claims that Bon was founded by a Buddha named Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche, to whom are ascribed teachings similar in scope to those ascribed to the historical Gautama Buddha. Bonpos claim that Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche lived some 18,000 years ago, and visited Tibet from the land of Tagzig Olmo Lung Ring, or Shambhala. Bonpos also suggest that during this time Lord Shenrab Miwoche's teaching permeated the entire subcontinent and was in part responsible for the development of the Vedic religion. An example of this link is said to be Mount Kailash, which is the center of Zhangzhung culture, and also the most sacred mountain to Hindus. As a result, the Bonpos claim that the supposedly much later Hindu teaching owes its origin – at least indirectly – to Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche

>Hoffmann contrasted this animistic-shamanistic folk religion with the organised priesthood of Bonpos which developed later, Shaivism, Buddhist tantras. Hoffman also argued that Gnosticism from the West influenced the systematised Bön religion

>Little is known about the pre-Buddhist religion of ancient Tibet and scholars of Bon disagree on its nature. Some think that Bon evolved from Zoroastrianism and others say Kashmiri Buddhism

>Robert Thurman describes at least one type of Bon as a "court religion" instituted "around 100 BCE" by King Pudegungyal, ninth king of the Yarlung dynasty, "perhaps derived from Iranian models", mixed with existing native traditions

>>509906271
https://www.boandbon.com/bon-and-indo-iranians/
>The question of Indo-Iranian influence on Bön has been open for a long time now. Seeking to explain some linguistic and cultural parallels, several scholars have brought forward different theories of how and when Bön could have been influenced by the Indo-Iranian culture and religion. These theories could be broadly summed up in four points:

>Bön (Yungdrung Bön) is a stream of Central Asian Buddhism adopted from India by the Iranian speaking regions in the West (such as Kushana Empire and so on) from where it reached the Tibetan Plateau prior to the introduction of Indian Buddhism per se from the South in the 8th century AD. This Central Asian Buddhism, traceable to Buddha Shakyamuni, mixed with the native culture and religion of the Tibetan Plateau producing what is now known as Yungdrung Bön. (Snellgrove, Tucci);

>Bön is a branch of Zoroastrianism or Mithraism and Tonpa Shenrab Miwo was a priest at the court of the Persian king Cyrus the Great of the Achaemenid dynasty. (Gumilev, Kuznetsov);

>Yungdrung Bön is a plagiarized form of Indian Buddhism which emerged after the 8th century AD and any Indo-Iranian – and especially Indian – influence was acquired in this process. (This is the view of many Tibetan Buddhist scholars and some Western scholars who still follow this outdated and flimsy theory);

>Yungdrung Bön is the original, authentic Central Asian Buddhism taught by the Buddha Tonpa Shenrab Miwo who was born in 16,017 BC (according to tradition) in the Central Asian region of Tagzig (modern-day Tajikistan and surrounding Central Asian states). Tonpa Shenrab Miwo brought Yungdrung Bön teachings to the Zhang Zhung Confederation (tribal union of 18 tribes) and Tibet (at that time only U and Tsang provinces) himself, and that is the source of most Indo-Iranian linguistic and cultural traces found in Tibetan Bön. (This is the traditional Bönpo view)

>>509906450
>In Bө and Bön the question of the bearing of Indo-Iranian culture and religion on Bön is brought up many times and through the study of rituals, myths, legend, religious texts and scholarly works it is clearly demonstrated that the ‘Indo-Iranian influence’ is actually for the most part proto-Indo-Iranian and goes back to prehistory, to the widespread international culture of Prehistoric Bön of Eurasia (a term coined by the author). Because the phenomenon of Prehistoric Bön of Eurasia was (and to some extent still is) an international one, we cannot speak of the ‘influence’ of one culture on another but rather we should explain this from the perspective of the pan-Eurasian Ur-religion

>In chapters VI and XV this question is approached via a comparative study of the deities of the proto-Indo-Iranian, Vedic, Zoroastrian, Bönpo, Bө Murgel and Tibetan Buddhist pantheons such as Mithra-Ahura, Mitravaruna, Ahura Mazda and Hormuzd Yazad, Nyipangse, Hormusta Tengeri, Pehar and so on

>The Gumilev-Kuznetsov theory (point 2) is critically appraised and demonstrated to be without any substance. The origins of the Gesar/Geser epic are traced to the figure of the archetypical superhero of proto-Mongol and proto-Iranian cultures and the possible location and ethnic identity of the lost kingdom of Phrom are explored

>Bө and Bön brings in new arguments which show that the ‘Central Asian Buddhism theory’ (point 1) falls short of the mark as the definite source of Indo-Iranian influence on Bön in general and, indeed, on Yungdrung Bön in particular. This is demonstrated here through thorough and critical examination of connections between Bön-Buddhism-Shamanism/Tengrism which is based on oral and written sources, cultural parallels, history and above all, on the comparative study of rituals and myths of Bön and Bө Murgel

>>509906541
>The latter sheds new light on and provides invaluable insights into the nature of these connections thereby dispelling long-held misconceptions and prejudices against the authenticity of Yungdrung Bön as the religion of a Buddha, albeit different from the Indian Buddha Shakyamuni (point 3)

>The author argues and demonstrates that the original Bönpo view of their own tradition (point 4) cannot be dismissed out of hand and is in fact the valid one. To substantiate this he presents supporting evidence from diverse fields of study such as archaeology, history, geology, anthropology, genetics and so on. This is complimented by a presentation – based on contemporary scholarly sources and direct information from leading living Bönpo scholars such as Yongdzin Lopön Tenzin Namdak Rinpoche – on Bön history, religion, culture and possible routes by which it may have spread in and out of the ancient Zhang Zhung Confederation

>In Chapter XV the inter-connectedness of the ancient peoples (Hunnu, Syanbi, Tuyuhun’-Azha, Tokharians, Scythians and so on), cultures and religions of Eurasia is demonstrated through re-examining available data and fitting it together with the insights gained from the comparative study of Bön and Bө Murgel. This brings out an emerging picture of a global international pan-Eurasian cultural and religious phenomenon (labelled in the book as the Prehistoric Bön of Eurasia) and demonstrates that proto-Mongol, proto-Indo-Iranians and peoples of the Tibetan Plateau shared many gods as well as religious and cultural customs

>>509906601
>Bon and Manichaeism

>Bon has particularities that place it much more firmly on Iranian (Zoroastrian, Zurvanite, and primarily Manichaean) and Gnostic (Egyptian-Platonic) dualistic ideas. In fact, what Bon shares with Hinduism, besides the names of Hindu gods and Tantric doctrines, are the Gnostic philosophical and theological ideas that are also present in Hindu schools of Gnostic origin, such as Vedanta, or that underwent Gnostic transformations, such as Yoga

>Gnosticism in general does not present the spirit-matter dualism as pronouncedly and primordially as Manichaeanism, but such dualism is nevertheless present in non-Manichaean Gnostic texts

>The Bon cosmogonic myth clearly states that the primordial dualism occurs between the Realm of Spirit and the Realm of Matter. This dualism differs from Zoroastrian dualism, where the conflict is between the entities of Light and Darkness and Good and Evil alone. This Gnostic ontological dualistic perception, of Platonic and Egyptian origins, shows that the origin of Bon is rooted not in Zoroastrianism but rather in a specifically Manichaean Gnosticism that penetrated deeply into Tibet before Buddhism was brought there

>The Bon doctrine of the need to overcome this dualism, and that the conflict between the King of Light and the King of Darkness is the origin of our world (and all the suffering inherent in it) is nothing less than one of the classic Gnostic doctrines that permeates all Gnosticism, be it classical Barbelo-Sethian, Valentinian, etc

>The Bon deities are easily identifiable with the entities of Gnostic myths. Sherab Chamma (Mother of Wisdom) is precisely Pistis Sophia. Sherab Chamma is adorned with thirteen ornaments of every perfect peaceful deity. This corresponds to the 13 aeons of Pistis Sophia, and they are divided into Five Silk Adornments (on the upper body, around the head) and Eight Jeweled Adornments (lower)

>>509906864
>The Gnostic aeons are precisely divided, from bottom to top, into eight aeons (Ogdoad) just above our aeon (our world) and five superior aeons (Pentad, Quintet) and higher. This confirms the fact that not only did Manichaeism reach Tibet, but earlier Gnostic texts like the Pistis Sophia also reached it, if not in books, at least memorized by missionaries or refugees

>This is very likely, given that the 10th-century Muslim historian Al-Nadim wrote in his Encyclopedia that in China and the region called Khorasan, which corresponds to present-day Northeast Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan, there were many followers of the Gnostic philosopher Bardesanes, a famous Gnostic who predated Mani.

>Above, a map of Khorasan according to ancient accounts, with the current borders of the countries. According to the Bon Scriptures and the Bon scholars cited above, highlighted in red, the doctrine of Tonpa Shenrab originated precisely in the countries that comprised ancient Khorasan! These are the eastern satrapies (provinces) of the Sassanid Persian Empire, and beyond them, it includes China and the Uyghur country! What religion was present throughout this Khorasan region before the 8th century and is similar to Buddhism?

>It can't be Nestorian Christianity, as it bears no resemblance. It can't be Mithraism, because, in addition to the differences, it had already disappeared, replaced by Zoroastrianism, absorbed by Manichaeism, and transformed into Buddhist sects of Manichaean origin. It can't be Islam, because it is completely different and hadn't yet established itself in this region. It can't be Shamanism, because it is too simple and different. Finally, it can't be Zoroastrianism, not even its version called Zurvanism, because it is different

>>509907053
>What religion existed in Khorasan before the 8th century and believes in reincarnation, the pre-existence of the soul, karma, the divinity of human souls, spirit-matter dualism, the pursuit of Knowledge as the supreme value, and a God of Spiritual Light completely opposed to a false, evil spirit doomed to destruction that dominates Matter? There is none other than Gnosticism in its various forms, but especially Manichaeism. Beyond Khorasan, Manichaeism penetrated deeply into China and already in the 4th century the White Lotus Sect and Pure Land Buddhism were developing in China as Manichaean creations, while in the 8th century it became the state religion of the Uyghur Empire which bequeathed to us the fragments of the Gospel of Mani and numerous other scriptures

>Bardesanes was highly respected even by the Orthodox Church Fathers (Saint Ephrem of Syria attests to his incredible erudition and knowledge, calling him the Philosopher of the Arameans). He wrote a book on Indian culture, as well as visiting Armenia and composing a book on its history. Bardesanes demonstrated a profound knowledge of Indian religions and philosophies, meeting, teaching, and discussing with Brahmins (ancient Hindus) and Sramanas (Buddhists, Jains, etc.)

>He wrote a text detailing the customs of the Brahmins and Sramana, and his description of the Sramana (called Samaneans by the Greeks) demonstrates that it was a Buddhist community, as he accurately explains the structure and customs of a Buddhist Sangha as we still see today! Fundamental to Bardaisan's thinking was Babylonian Astrology, which he learned as a child while being educated by a priest teacher. He synthesized it by demonstrating that we must overcome the astrological tendencies imposed on us by fate (karma) and assimilating Platonic, Egyptian, and Indian doctrines on reincarnation and the pre-existence of the soul

>>509907220
>Note that the countries Al Nadim says are full of Bardaisan Gnostics are precisely the countries where the Bon texts claim the Bon doctrine originated and spread! This confirms what we said in previous posts, about the eastern satrapies of the Sassanid Empire being inhabited by different types of Gnostics, but primarily Manichaeans, and that it was in this region that Bon emerged and Esoteric Buddhism developed

>It is likely that the Babylonian astrology adapted by Bardaisan reached Tibet and syncretized with the native religions. Even the Manichaeans may have taken Bardaisan's teachings, as the Bardaisanite religions, in fact, began as a form of Valentinianism and took on its own characteristics. Eventually, they assimilated into Manichaeism

>Tonpa Shenrab prohibited animal sacrifices and replaced them with offerings of butter and barley flour. Gnostics are known for refusing to participate in any kind of suffering or slaughter, even of animals, and have always been vegetarians. Tonpa Shenrab is either the Prophet Mani himself, whose life story has been transformed into myths and legends and syncretized with some converted Central Asian shaman, or he was a Manichaean missionary, perhaps a direct disciple of the Prophet Mani, or perhaps his disciple, Mar Ammo, the Prophet's foremost disciple, who was tasked with preaching in Sogdiana and present-day Tajikistan

>I believe it is primarily based on Mar Ammo, as he became a success, highly respected, and beloved by the people of the eastern part of the Persian Empire and Central Asia, where legendary literature about him survives. Hymns written about him in honor of his death survive, in which he is called the Beneficent Father and the Father of Light. A Uyghur text calls him Mar Ammo the Teacher. Tonpa Shenrab is constantly referred to as a Teacher in Bon texts, and a rich legendary literature also exists about him!

>>509907364
>If such a missionary were Buddhist, the result would be the persecution and adulteration of native rituals (as occurred later with the introduction of Indian Buddhism), rather than the adaptive and corrective assimilation that Gnostics perform, removing everything that is violent and contrary to the Spirit and the Light without acculturating or demeaning the cultures of the people

>It is impossible to doubt the notorious Gnostic and Manichaean structure and basis of Bon, elements of which slowly passed into Tibetan Buddhism over the centuries. The Gospel of Mani itself confirms this at its very beginning

https://web.archive.org/web/20141021222854/https://dugpasandtheirrole.wordpress.com/dugpas-and-their-role-from-2010/
https://web.archive.org/web/20160221060615/http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/occult-secrets-dalai-lama
https://theosophy.wiki/en/Dugpa
http://twinpeaks.popapostle.com/html/episodes/The-Devils-Guard.htm
https://associationforiranianstudies.org/content/persian-wisdom-eyes-tibetans-indigenous-rituals-and-myths-regarding-persian-source-bon-relig
https://www.boandbon.com/bon-and-indo-iranians/
https://files.catbox.moe/bb8jci.djvu

>>509907552
https://textarchive.ru/c-2558566-pall.html

>Anon, Parapsychology started within USSR, with late Pavlov and his students trying to find out the limits of the brain capacities and the possible reach of 'condicioning' methods . That studies 'spilled' into "Brainwashing" techniques based on Buddhist mind [self] control techniques, some of them envisioned by Gleb Bokii.[about the 1920 techniques]. All that occurred some years previously to what this anon mentioned

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleb_Bokii

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Pavlov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://jacobsm.com/projfree/the_military_use_of_mind_control.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Bekhterev

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekhterev_Psychoneurological_Institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Kautsky

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality

>The experiments started in the 1930s. Carried on heavily in 40s during WWII. After WWII the USSR and US took this information and continue the experiment - in truth it was akin to the “space race”, but think ESP and psychic ability. It was intense. Lots of docs still haven’t been released yet from those times.. ANYHOW. Experiments moved on to universities in the 60s to late 80s, ALOT of info was found and it was intense again.. CIA and Pentagon shut it down early 90s because the “experiment” was no longer that, they proved it and the public was/is no longer allowed to study it

>I meant parapsychology as scientific subject detached from its links to metaphysical realm. Materialists scientists doing their materialistic 'magic'. I know that mind control techniques and parapsychology are absolutely ancient. Tummo is an example of ice-age technique that was passed through generations. This is obligatory literature. Socialist Czechoslovakian intelligence agencies are very underrated on the parapsychology and mind control issues