Thread 509911095

how come christianity is the only religion that believes in the concept of eternal torment? will there be 'christians' in hell?

>>509911095 (OP)
Should there not be a punishment for being a piece of shit.

It is copium for the weak, who are unable to defeat their enemies in this life.

>>509911095 (OP)
>only religion that believes in the concept of eternal torment
You need to educate yourself pajeet

>>509911095 (OP)
to make them afraid of fighting back

Buddhists get pretty graphic about the infinity of hell realms awaiting the lustful and degenerate. But its all about karma, you are only experiencing the cause and effect of your own karma. This is the real meaning of Repent/Metanoia - change your consciousness to change your karma to avoid the karmic consequences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_of_fire

>>509911095 (OP)
That shit was invented by zoroastrians. It wad adopted later by christians to create to ultimate mutt religion.

That is false, Islam clarifies for us exactly what Hell is like. Not only is it eternal torment, it is specifically a Fire in which your flesh is burned off and then regenerated again and again forever.

>>509911095 (OP)
Muslims believe in hell

>>509911245
No

>>509911492
>sex with my lover le bad
Whatever nigger

>>509911741
Yes except in Islam every muslim will eventually have paid off for his sins (no matter how big of a sin, no muslim goes to hell for all of eternity) and ascend to heaven.
So yes, so sorry christcucks but it seems in the end only christians will stay in hell.

>>509911095 (OP)
I talked to a priest once who said the biggest secret of the Christian faith is that Jesus will eventually go to hell and save even the damned.

I don't know where he got this idea but according to him, after rapture Jesus plans on rapturing the damned and lost. I'm an atheist so I think it's all bullshit but I thought you might find it interesting

>>509911095 (OP)
Well it's of their own doing. Hell is a state of mind that has its foundation on regret, the only way to clear it is to seek forgiveness. Problem is christians externalize this, they externalize hell and they externalize the source of forgiveness, in other words they give up control. Jesus framed "the kingdom", judgement and salvation as inward experiences.

I'm not even gonna get into metaphysics as this is a purely psychological/spiritual topic. But let's say, if when one dies they stay "eternally" in the general state of mind they had before dying, this could translate into "eternity in hell" if that person never found forgiveness. Which, according to Jesus, finding forgiveness is forgiving yourself.

>>509911741

Heaven is a Garden beneath which rivers flow, it is full of peaceful homes and is reserved for believers. Muslims believe that Christians and Jews are believers. People of the Book, not kafir.

>>509911095 (OP)
> Will there be christians in hell?

Yes. Jesus was very clear on the narrow gate. Matthew 7:13-14

>>509912400
>go to hell because Christian God YHWH damned you to hell for being bad goy
>after half billion eternities of boiling in shit you get raptured to Heaven
>saved by grace of Allah (since you are people of the book, but also you ate lotta pork and never prayed)
Yeah that would be funny innit

>>509911492
>>509911790
I'm pretty sure there's plenty of fucking in both Buddhist and Hindu heavenly realms

>>509911095 (OP)
No. You don't even know that even hell is thrown into the lake of fire. The question begs: Why fire? I will not answer because it's obvious, but let's hint that torment is a byproduct, not the main purpose

>>509911910
Shalom rabbi.

>>509912558
This. They're not Christians. Just say they are.

>>509913521
Assalamu alaykum, brother

>>509912400
>Muslims believe that Christians and Jews are believers. People of the Book, not kafir.
People of the Book are not believers because one reject Jesus and kill their prophets and another reject both Jesus and Muhammad. If earlier People of Scripture has actual faith believing God and obey His Law and messengers/prophets, then they would be believers at the time. Quran also mentions that the only religion God accepts is Islam(submission to God) and He has perfected the religion.
So yes, Christians and Jews are disbelievers if they reject Muhammad. Let alone one is very disobedient nation who only listens to their Rabbis and Talmuds while the other thinks they have no laws since Jesus died for their sins and free them of the old laws according to Paul the Schizo Liar thus they are now free to eat pork, drink alcohol and worship graven images and idols/crosses plastered all over their churches.

>>509911095 (OP)
Energy cant be created or destroyed it
can only change shape.
We cant make atoms, or freewill.
Hell is designed to illustrate that.
It's a lesson that we cant make what we
need at that fundamental level, like
sunlight, water, earth, etc but God did
create from that level.
It's something we need to mind because
you have to humble yourself once you
understand.

It is stated in the Bible that God will
forgive even the farthest flung souls

>>509911910
Won't other non-Muslims stay in hell? Hindus, atheists, Jews, Buddhists?

>>509911095 (OP)
Control via fear; humans are niggercattle.

>>509911095 (OP)
Read "genealogy of morals" by Nietzche if you actually want to explore that question, OP. Guarantee you'll get far more insight from just the first half of that than any replies you'll get from anons.

The idea lies in the shift from idea of "good versus bad" towards "good versus evil". And to really get to the heart of it, in slave morality versus master morality.

Great question to ask btw, genuinely.

>>509911245
Case in point

>>509915188
Do you think they actually killed him? He was definitely an influential figure and was getting knowledge and ideas out that they wouldn't like. But I don't know of anything he said that I can imagine would actually get him killed. But his death is undeniably suspicious

>>509915440
>But I don't know of anything he said that I can imagine would actually get him killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIi9rrIDq7E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsoRnLy6xwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAm5KTWvUTk

https://youtu.be/TMHCw3RqulY?list=RDTMHCw3RqulY

It's probably just pure coincidence an old glownigger manual specified one of the best methods for taking someone out and making it look accidental is having them fall from a height of 75 feet.

>>509911095 (OP)
Most Christians will go to hell, the gate is extremely narrow.

>>509911095 (OP)
>why come Christianity something blatantly untrue?
This is the core of Atheist discourse

>>509915993
Donatism is an is an old Heresy amd most of them converted to Islam.

>>509911095 (OP)
Simply put because all other religions avoid the problem of evil out of cowardice or malice

>>509916177
Has nothing to do with donatism, it’s simply a fact how hard it is to go to heaven.

>>509911095 (OP) The concept of hellfire was not created by Christians. It was created by wrongdoers claiming to be Christians.

Any sucker can claim to be Christian, but by their actions you can tell who is who.

>>509915711
Damn anon these are great. I didn't even see these before only his more surface level stuff. They definitely killed him RIP. What a legend. Thanks for showing me that

>>509911095 (OP)
Lmao, you can't really think it's the only one do you?

>>509911095 (OP)

You are certified Pajeet.

Zoroastrians also believe in eternal torment for evildoers.

>>509911095 (OP)
Jews believe in tormenting all other religions on earth

It’s not. Most religions believe in eternal torment as the default.

>>509911095 (OP)
>only christianity
If that's your thing then I guess someone should make a new one where only you and specifically you get tortured forever huh?

and if being tortured forever isn't your thing then what I just said but the opposite, I wonder if you know what ''your thing'' is to begin with or if you have feelings or self awareness beyond patterns established to manipulate and work towards various forms of control?

if you knew could you even answer honestly? probably not right?

what a bizarre set of circumstances

>>509911354
Absolutely this.
>reeeee well my children may be born as slaves to these kikes but they all end up in the magical fire pit after they die (and nobody can verify it) in this book I wrote just now!!!
The stories reek of simple human cope.
Amazing it still persists.

I AM HERE TO REBUKE OP

Christianity is NOT the only religion that believes in eternal punishment.

Chinese Buddhism gives you FOUR chances to redeem yourself before it's eternal punishment

Japanese Buddhism gives you SEVEN chance to redeem yourself before it's eternal torment.

See pic related

I believe even if you're suffering eternally you can earn karma for reincarnation but i'm not sure about that.

>>509911095 (OP)
AREN'T YOU FORGETTING ABOUT STH???????? ISLAM!!!!!! HELLO????!!!!!

>>509911741
Lmao
These religions are retarded

>>509911095 (OP)
because it is a slave religion that is made for a people under occupation.

A promise of eternal life if they only work as a slave for the Jews for their entire life for nothing. If they don't work for the jews for their entire life, they are told they will go to hell, a place where all the bad people are who didn't do what the jews said and such things.

>>509911095 (OP)
Spirits, demons, and so called gods are known for their wickedness, only they could come up with something so foul as hell, or even killing off a person in the second death. It's cruel, and shows a lack of deterministic thinking as to the causes of sin.

The truth is they are a bit backwards (not all of them are bad though, some of them are good), they don't know as much as they think they do, they arn't as wise nor kind as they think they are, and really they are just slightly worse than us. Spirits, gods, demons, etc...There is a good God creator of the universe, but that's far out of their reach, and this grand conciousness far outstrips them in terms of wisdom. There has to be, the end result of deterministic thinking is that all sins are forgiven, except for causing people to suffer the 2nd death, that's unforgiveable because you cannot make amends for it. So all of them are cursed in a way.

The end result of deterministic thinking is this...to know all is to forgive all. (they won't get what this means, but if you get it, you have an enlightened soul/spirit) Bhudda, socrates, etc, all thought this.

>>509913521
Jesus was a rabbi idiot

>>509916785
Here are some more relevant, his catalog was massive - he definitely flew too close to the sun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_574Rxxez2c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOUDoRmK_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KivCRqfFcqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCaqA0ngRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Edi_hydymNQ

I don't care what you believe. It's all right there. It's all been told to you. The point is it's anti-proof. And you all want proof; therefore, kill yourselves and you lost.

>>509911245
>piece of shit.
all liars end up in Hell

so when that battered wife lies to save her life from an abusive husband God thinks she deserves an eternity of torment for that

>>509917453
You don't even know what a Rabbi is or does. Rabbi as a title in the second temple era simply meant teacher. Rabbis later on claimed to be a special class of tribe that had orally inherited the unwritten law of God from Moses, the Talmud, and they replaced priests as the central authority of judaism, displacing the torah and the scriptures from their primacy in the process. Jesus was not a Rabbi. Jesus was a priest.

>>509911095 (OP)
The concept of eternal torment is absent in an honest look at Scripture.
"The wages of sin is death."
"For this is the second death."

The lake of fire is where sinners go to get burned up. Not be tormented for eternity. The fate of sinners is eternal non-existence.

Look at it this way. If the wages of sin is death, and Jesus died for our sins on the cross by dying.
If the wages of sin is eternal torment in hell, then if Jesus were to pay for our sins, why is he not in hell still being tortured for all eternity?
Really rustles the jimmies when you think about how absurd the later Christian believers messed with the true faith.

>>509917777
checked

>>509917450
If there is a superior benevolent god out there and does nothing to help this torture universe

Isn't he just as complicit

>>509911095 (OP)
Hey dude, if you don't believe what I believe and give me money you'll burn in hell forever.

> even the babies that never had a chance?

yes, especially the babies lmao


These forms of christianity are the worst - satanic even.

>>509917453
>“Is it I, Lord?” - The Apostles
>“Is it I, Rabbi?” - Judas before betraying Jesus

>“Good Rabbi” - The rich young man
>“Why do you call me good? Only God is good” - Jesus answers

Says a lot, I would not call Jesus just a teacher it’s offensive.

>>509918026
I don't think hes all powerful, either that or the actions of humans are such small scale to it, that he sees us like ants. I think the drama of ants is small scale and beneath me, but that doesn't mean im evil, i think when humanity evolves to make a scene, he'll notice and be there, but the pain we endure we can, because tough times never last, and because we were built that way.

The whole eternal torment thing i think is just lies, we suffer in this life, learning, as a collective and also individually, but over lifetimes it gradually gets easier.

>>509911658
illiterate peasant saw that on tiktok lmao

>>509911658
I read Zoroastrian texts. You can exegete and think it’s similar to Christianity. But actual Zoroastrianism is a death cult about rotting human bodies and disease.

>>509911245
Morality has nothing to do with Christian afterlife beliefs. If you join their cult you go to heaven, if you don't you're tortured forever regardless of how good a person you were.

>>509911095 (OP)
research NDEs if you want a better look at what hell is, or take it from me, I did just that, qrd, after death, your soul creates an temporary and imaginary reality that feels real, based on your convictions, beliefs, ideas etc. Some people have experienced "hell", their own version of it, it usually ends when that person screams for help, usually to jesus. Some people take this as proof of jesus, however, if you are sharp like me (120+ IQ), you'll understand the implication here, that the jesus they meet is really another imaginary construct based on the NDEr beliefs.
This is all to say, yes, there is a hell, if you believe in it, no, it is not eternal. There is much to say on what comes after death but that's another topic.

>>509911095 (OP)
>how come christianity is the only religion that believes in the concept of eternal torment?
Because Christianity is the only religion that isn't a scam that sugarcoats the truth.

>>509911095 (OP)
There will be people who said they were Christian alright. There'll be people who by their mouth professed Jesus Christ as Lord and went to church but their actions betray the truth about them.

>>509919910
You're telling me there's a crime like murder or rape that isn't worth eternal damnation?

>>509920831
>There will be people who said they were Christian alright. There'll be people who by their mouth professed Jesus Christ as Lord and went to church but their actions betray the truth about them.
will the antichrist or the person who is the antithesis of the Christ be there?

>>509911095 (OP)
buddhists believe in hell too
all pagan religions have the concept of an underworld
even native americans have a concept of evil spirits and satan

Absolutely. 100%.

>>509920025
>it usually ends when that person screams for help, usually to jesus
Very interesting. I get sleep paralysis very frequently which when I was younger was usually accompanied by horrific hallucinations. I had identical experience with this. That is screaming for help from Jesus or angels would cause the hallucinations to end immediately, I'd be at peace and usually would escape the terror right afterwards. Strangely enough, the hallucinations were terrifying nightmares every single time with only one exception in my entire life. One time it was just like going through a tunnel of light, I heard beautiful, tranquil music, a sound like gentle running water, and saw these beautiful spheres of light rushing past me. They had these really far out sounding voices I can't describe well but sounded sorta like underwater or something, It was one of the most peaceful things I ever experienced felt like what going to heaven must be like.

I've done DMT a few times which I found extremely similar to dreams. Lucid dreams in particular.

I really wonder the connection between afterlife, dreaming, and NDEs. There's clearly a lot in common.

>>509919910
John 5:28-30

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me

>>509921252
>eternal
Eternity is a long time, even for the most abhorrent sins. Consider even finite values such as 10^10^10^10^10^10. Incomprehensibly large but still finite. I can't think of any sin or crime that should warrant eternal suffering and anguish. At least not intuitively. I can I guess see metaphysical arguments, such as a divine being which is eternal therefore your crimes against it are also eternal. Or some BS like that.

>>509920025
>that the jesus they meet is really another imaginary construct based on the NDEr beliefs
then explain NDE of atheists and follower of other religions being saved from hell by Jesus Christ too.

>>509911245
Basado

>>509921631
God must be feared. He really hates evil.

>>509921252
According to Christianity as it was taught to me, it isn't just rape and murder but any sin at all, even stealing a candy bar from the store as a kid.

>>509921501
what you describe sounds similar to OBE, as described by people who've done it. I recommend you research remote viewing and obe if you want to know more, darius j wright is my personal pick on this topic
>>509921722
>then explain NDE of atheists and follower of other religions being saved from hell by Jesus Christ too
I cannot. My current theory is that conscious beliefs and unconscious beliefs are both taken into account. The people who experienced being saved by jesus, despite being affiliated to other religions, still knew of jesus, and perhaps, deep in their subconscious, they thought strongly of the possibility of jesus being real due to knowing how big in size and numbers christianity is, this belief kept in their subconscious would have come to light during the NDE, this way my theory holds.

>>509922544
>still knew of jesus, and perhaps, deep in their subconscious, they thought strongly of the possibility of jesus being real due to knowing how big in size and numbers christianity is
maybe because Jesus is God and not some leader of a religion? he is the only one self existent God and without him there is nothing.

>>509918893
Ok faggot, but why is this guy>>509917035 also saying the same thing.

What if it's really just a way to convince people to be good, reproduce and stay in line without having a totalitarian govt? Is it really that bad, and why do you care? What's your motive?

>>509920574
>Christianity is the only religion that isn't a scam
kek ya make sure to give that 10% tithe god needs more cash

>>509911095 (OP)
Once i had a very similar dream to this image.

>>509911741
>Not only is it eternal torment, it is specifically a Fire in which your flesh is burned off and then regenerated again and again forever.
Yes, and thats why, like the rest of abrahamic reigions, its retarded. Concretely the retarded ramblings of a deranged con man. Bro, why did Al Zut ride the Prophet of Allah all night? The Prophet of Allah said Al Zut have huge members that never tire, and then he had to lay down in the morning, complaining of having a hurt asshole to his follower. Sum prophet fo Allah, huh?

>>509911095 (OP)
According to the Bible, we ARE in hell.

>>509917756
Lol what? Just blatantly untrue

>>509911095 (OP)
>how come christianity is the only religion that believes in the concept of eternal torment?
it's not, in pisslam, there is no way to not go to hell but to kill infidels, why do you think they are so angry.

>>509911095 (OP)
it's a religion based on guilt, so the "guilty" need somewhere painful to go to. it's all made up and fake, but hey, it keeps people in line, which is the intention.

>>509911095 (OP)
Spare the rod, spoil the child.

>>509924610
read Revelation

Revelation 21:8
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

>all liars

>>509917756
>so when that battered wife lies to save her life from an abusive husband God thinks she deserves an eternity of torment for that
What a based religion that would be.

>>509911095 (OP)
so you're telling me, there's this one place full of murderers, whores and pedophiles, who in their last moments managed to say "sorry god, I didn't mean it"; and then there's this other place, full of people who didn't even know this god existed, and men who, even as threatened with eternal torture refused to bend the knee? Yeah, I think I know which of these places I'd prefer to go to.

>>509923919
>what if these judaic tales are really a good thing!

:l

>>509924694
Every single thing you said is incorrect.

The question to consider is not whether or not there are Christians in hell.
The question is,
>How do I make sure I am not in hell.

>>509911095 (OP)
The goal of this world is to produce a certain type of soul, and the soul that doesn't meet the standart God wish, goes to the trash (hell). Simple as that. This world is nothing more than a factory.

One must also know, hell is not that bad for the majority of people who will end up there, it is extremly bad in the eyes of God, but in the eyes of current humans, it is not that bad if you knew the truth, but once you are there for a couple of hundred or thousand of years, you will start to understand why God said it was a very terrible place

>>509911095 (OP)
The lake of fire in christianity is straight up ripped out of the ancient egyptian religion. Both books never call it a "place of eternal torment" either. christianity and egyptians both called it "second death" you cease to exist. It's all just fear control dogshit anyway.

>>509924694
the entire point is that Jesus Christ died for and took your place so there is no guilt or shame.
chrstianity is not a guilt based religion since the guilt has been done away with in Christ Jesus.

>>509911095 (OP)
That stuff was added later after it got co-opted by the state and transformed into a tool for managing imperial subjects.

>>509911095 (OP)
Only criminals fear Judgement.

>>509924418
lol no, all authority in haven AND earth has been given to Jesus Christ.

>>509924779
good thing Jesus Christ has mercy on the repentant. its the unrepentant that need to worry, people that love to lie and make it their life.

>>509925092
The current form of Judaisim is bad, but are decent versions. Talmudic Jews, Zionist Jews are the worst.

Hell is just /gif
Its not even that bad

>>509925825
>not denying it
>holding fast to "beg for forgiveness and you won't suffer unimaginable pain"
no different than that faggot Vance with "BuT dId YoU sAy ThAnK yOu?!"
yea thanks a ton God for making the narrow path narrow so that the majority of humans who have ever lived across time will end up in Hell

>>509911095 (OP)
Ancient Egyptian, Greek, Japanese (spirits of those without burial), pretty much every reincarnation you cannot break, Norse if you died without weapon in your hands... It's majority of them

>>509928528
hell was made for satan and his angels. not humans.
>"beg for forgiveness and you won't suffer unimaginable pain"
I never had to beg, forgiveness was given me freely without me ever deserving it. that the entire point of the glory of God. repentance is turning from your own way back to God and receiving a new mind and heart.

>>509925494
Eternal torment exists in Christianity and is reserved for Satan, the anti-Christ, and false prophets.

Other sinners do get second death, though not even all of them. There are alsonthoose left to wander outside Kingdo of Heaven

>>509928805
>not humans.
re-read Revelation

>>509911095 (OP)
Because it's the perfect goy slave religion.

>>509911095 (OP)
Because we are the only ones that believe in that there are consequences for your actions.

>>509911095 (OP)
But it isn't? Most religions have an underworld concept that punishes wrongdoings. Even buddhism does albeit it's for millions of years before resurrection rather than eternal.

>>509911095 (OP)
>how come christianity is the only religion that believes in the concept of eternal torment? will there be 'christians' in hell?
Cause its a religion for slaves to worry more about a supposed afterlife than this life we actually live. BTW Jesus was a mushroom

>>509929686
Parable of servants and golden talents. God will reward us by adding to the world, according to our given opportunities.

>>509911245
Yes, immediately and tangibly so here in this realm. Nothing less can be considered justice.

>>509911095 (OP)
There is no eternal torment. Once you hit that lake of fire in the final days it is true death. Only certain sects(wrong) believe in eternal punishment.

>>509930363
>There is no eternal torment.

wishful thinking

you're indirectly calling Jesus a liar (parable of lazarus, the rich man and the beggar)

>>509911095 (OP)
Because je- I mean Christians demand some form of jurisprudence from their god. That entails god agrees with everything a schizophrenic desert man said. Therefore, hell is a confabulation of our androcentric sense of justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)
I would think the babylonians had it better, because they just "sorted" the dead according to their deeds, and made no sense of justice aside by thine mote in thine eye and mete of thine being.
So the dead murderers would be sorted with the murderers, and the rapist go with the rapists.

If one was to say god as a judge. then there's always
https://biblehub.com/psalms/82-1.htm
In this case, Sin, Nergal, and Yahweh/El function as the same

So in that case, people aren't essentially punished, but sorted

https://www.bible.com/bible/compare/MAT.25.32-33

>>509911095 (OP)
don't all religions have a form of hell?
didn't hindism have a ten trillion year hell cycle for it's bad poos?


anyways the actual biblical hell is separation of the spirit from God

being removed from source (god) is hell,worse than some cave on fore with red dudes

>>509930727
Those who are dead now do not exist expect in God's memory. They'll be resurrected and judged, then comes the true final death if they weren't saved. Any spirit or what not is a demon spirit.

>>509911095 (OP)
It’s not the only religion that believes in eternal torment and yes there are Christians in Hell.

>>509931084
If god has the technology to model the function of the human brain to articulate the apparent spirit of a person, then BEN does too. That means you could be ressurected by parametric modelling of human brains due to A.i. in the future and judged by the basilisk