Thread 509922279

She lived from c. 350-370 AD - 415 AD in Alexandria (current Egypt, but Roman Empire at that time).
She lectured on Plato and Aristotle, commented on works by Diophantus and Apollonius, and contributed to astronomy, making her one of history's first notable female mathematicians.
Modern speculative estimates based on her accomplishments place her IQ around 170-190.

DEATH:
She died in March 415. a mob of Christians under the leadership of a lector named Peter raided Hypatia's carriage as she was travelling home, dragged her into a building known as the Kaisarion, stripped Hypatia naked and murdered her using ostraka.
They cut out her eyeballs, tore her body into pieces and dragged her limbs through the town to a place called Cinarion, where they set them on fire

Hypatia teaching at Alexandria

Her death

>>509922279 (OP)
>import jewish religion
>act like a diabolical nigger
Many such cases.

>>509922279 (OP)
yes, you just read about it from varg. we know

>>509922279 (OP)
Fun fact, she was killed by a mob of Christians after supporting the prefect who tortured Christians to death in retaliation for them forcibly expelling the jews from Alexandria.

This story was a massive redpill towards me leaving Christianity. Abrahamic savages

>>509922994
>thing that happened 1700 years ago that went completely counter to the explicit teachings of Christian doctrine (Romans 13 [orestes would've been the governing authority] and Matthew 5:44 [we're to emphasize mercy]) was what made me leave Christianity
you're weird

>>509923280
It's more that you people still act like this

>>509923430
>Christians are forming mobs, coming together to violently overthrow and humiliate the enemies of Christendom
what color is the sky in your world?

>>509923569
Modern right-wing Christianity is infamously anti-intellectual and misogynistic. You can’t tell me groypers wouldn’t form a lynch mob to kill a female scientist.

>>509922279 (OP)
>feminist retard with an iq of 100 got what she deserved

>>509923750
Hellenistic pagans loved wisdom and knowledge so much that they literally had cults worshipping numbers. Abrahamic dumbfucks raped and lynched this poor women for teaching people math because math isn't in their sandnigger kike books.

>>509923750
>claim
Sauce?

>>509922491
she was an old ass bitch when she died, this img is wrong by potraying her young.

>>509922279 (OP)
FAFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU4Hw-xbBNo

>>509923750
>Modern right-wing Christianity is infamously anti-intellectual and misogynistic.
i disagree.
i myself in particular read dry philosophical tomes all day and love women more than modern left-wing atheists do, as they can't even define what a woman is.

>>509922926
>Fun fact, she was killed by a mob of Christians after supporting the prefect who tortured Christians to death in retaliation for them forcibly expelling the jews from Alexandria.
(((Hypatia)))

>>509924367
She was a greek pagan

>>509924443
>(((greek pagan)))
You mean a Caananite/Phoenician?
How many children did she make to pass through the fire to molech?

>>509922279 (OP)
Each roastie whore that hangs is one less race traitor. Each kike that hangs is one less pederast.

>YAAASSS QUEEN @girlboss lectured those old men on mysoggyknee
Yes, believe kike history books trying to make Christians look bad and support a hedonistic whore of Rome while you're at it.

>>509922279 (OP)
Based christians. She should have studied philosophy instead. Then she would have real worth.

>>509924648
>everyone who doesn't worship yahweh is a secret jew

I hate you people so much

>>509924443
She sided with the governor as he was condemning The new archbishop of Alexandria. The reason for the condemnation? Jews led a massacre against Christians and the archbishop drove the Jews out of the region in response.

So Hypatia was using her power and influence to protect the kikes after they had just murdered a group of Christians.

>>509922279 (OP)
sounds like a horrible way to die, she probably deserved it
I do not agree with nobility and slavery

>>509923750
>Misogynistic

Way to out yourself faggot

Hindus jerk of to her

>>509924443
>She was a greek pagan
this is accurate but misleading.
she was a neoplatonist philosopher, not a priestess or religious leader.
neoplatonists engage with theology abstractly (the "One" or divine intellect) rather than the traditional greek polytheistic practice.
her teachings focused on math astronomy and platonic philosophy rather than ritual or worship of greek gods.
she had many Christian students who rose to prominence in the church, and was admired by them for her perceived chastity and virtue.

>>509922279 (OP)
This is Hyapathia of Indians

>>509924867

In 415 christianity consisted of converted jews, who worked as clergy, and the congregation consisted of the worst possible goyim street scum. It was a jewish religion troughout and unlike the jews the christians were actively recruiting new goyim members for their organized crime gang masquerading as a religion.

>>509925050
Thank you

>>509925131
>Indians
Indiana
...
I swear to God I'm gonna blow up this god-damned phone with five tons of TNT Jesus fucking Christ

>>509924058
Objectively correct.

>>509924098
Creationism, flat earth conspiracy. As for violent misogyny in groypers, they gleefully celebrated the deaths of those girls run over by the nigger in Wisconsin. Now groypers are celebrating the drowning deaths of the girls in the summer camp. Groypers are calling little girls BBC whores.

>>509924233
By “read philosophical tomes,” you mean lazily scan over your PDF collection of Hegel, Nietzsche, Kant, etc. You are a fat sperg from the American south who likes crusader helmets and gay porn.

As for loving women, you love their sexual abuse at the hands of men in your deranged sexual fantasies. Big difference. Those who love women are afraid of harming them. Your entire ideology is centered around the abuse and enslavement of women. You literally have no protective paternalistic drive, because you are a mutant.

>>509925179
This, even at the time the christian community of Alexandria had a reputation for being a bunch of violent overly zealous thugs. The ones who attacked Hypatia were basically a gang

>>509924910
Misogyny is such an accepted and promoted facet of right wing Christianity that they call you a faggot for not primarily being attracted to men and their asses and for not hating women.

>>509925314
Jesus gang RISE UP into heaven. Word.

>>509925179
You have zero idea what you're talking about here.
Constantine's reign started over a century before this.

>>509925271
>ur anti-intellectual
>proceeds to throw shit like a monkey
Thank you for confirming academia is littered with retards who can only lash out when confronted with opposing ideas.

>>509925545
Your entire post is just an ad hominem.

>>509925375
>Misogyny is such an accepted and promoted facet of right wing Christianity
Women aren't people, retard.

>>509925542
He's somewhat right about Alexandria though. They were the most extereme Christians in the whole empire. If there was anywhere this would happen it was there.

>>509922279 (OP)
>a mob of Christians
>>509922491
>picrel
So she was murdered in an elaborate and needlessly cruel way by a bunch of niggers and semites.

>>509925744
And neither are “soientists,” correct?

So Christianity is anti-intellectual and misogynistic, like i said.

I fucking hate christkikes so much

What a nasty bunch of pyschotic narcissist jew wannabes

>>509925633
So was yours, retard. Mighty intellect you have there.

>>509923280
I'll be honest with you, all those priests molesting little boys made me leave Christianity. The thought that this homosexual abuse happened made me abandon the only institution that is against homosexuality. Also I'm dying with Covid and my only regret in life is that I didn't take the vaxx.
>>509923750
Just like my Law & Order SVU episodes!

>>509925895
Insults =/= ad hominems, retard. You would know that if you spent less time playing video games and more time actually reading those PDFs. Hop on another proxy.

>>509925905
It’s fantastical only because it isn’t yet supported by our government.

People who have violent fantasies about raping and murdering women are obviously dangerous.

>>509925271
>By “read philosophical tomes,” you mean lazily scan over your PDF collection
guilty
>of Hegel, Nietzsche, Kant, etc.
i'm more of a kierkegaard, plantinga, kuyper guy.
>You are a fat sperg
my BMI is 19
>from the American south
yes
>who likes crusader helmets
who doesn't?
>and gay porn.
for me, it's heterosexual gentle femdom erotic textual roleplay via a local LLM
>As for loving women, you love their sexual abuse at the hands of men in your deranged sexual fantasies. Big difference.
hilariously backwards
>Your entire ideology is centered around the abuse and enslavement of women.
that's bullshit, see Ephesians 5:25, 28-29, Colossians 3:19, 1 Peter 3:7, Proverbs 5:18-19, 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

>>509922279 (OP)
Yeah I'd definitely put it in her poopchute, right there on that balcony.

>>509922279 (OP)
Shame, but she shouldn’t have sided with people who putting people to death for protecting themselves from jews

>>509922491
sandniggers and shitskins doing what they still do today - color me surprised, its genetic

>>509926303
Do you think youre at all representative of alt-right Christians? Just take the people on your side in this thread, for instance. Do they seem similar to you, in your estimation?

>>509922279 (OP)
Cry moar favelado, christ is king,

>>509926368
>A bunch of brownoid ethopians and nubians murder a white greek women
>people act surprised

Once again nonwhite christians make white christians look bad? niggers can't do anything right....

>>509925905
>I'll be honest with you, all those priests molesting little boys made me leave Christianity.
that makes no sense to me.
if everyone who believed the earth was round started practicing cannibalism, i wouldn't become a flat earther.
something can be true and the people and institutions who promote it can be hypocritical assholes simultaneously.
>>509925977
>Insults =/= ad hominems
insults are literally ad hominems, just not necessarily ad hominem fallacies.
the fallacious form is when you dismiss an argument or position based on the insult, for example
>you're a fag
>your position is wrong and you're a fag
these are just insults/ad homs
>your position is wrong because you're a fag
this is an ad hominem fallacy

>>509924946
Hindus jack off to anything.

>>509925747
Yes. And as I already explained, Hypatia got what came to her because she was using her power and influence to put pressure on the newly appointed bishop to stop persecuting the Jews despite the fact that the Jews had literally just perpetrated a massacre against Christians.

>>509922279 (OP)
>a mob of Christians under the leadership of a lector named Peter raided Hypatia's carriage as she was travelling home, dragged her into a building known as the Kaisarion, stripped Hypatia naked and murdered her using ostraka.
Doubtful. Probably more Jewish lies.

>>509926744
So, in resume, was it the jews?

>>509923750
Imagine getting filtered by ragebait

>>509926834
Why would you even consider any other possibility.

>>509926584
>Do you think youre at all representative of alt-right Christians?
i don't think i'm "alt right" at all, i'm just right.
the topic of our back and forth was "Modern right-wing Christianity."
neither /pol/ nor twitter groypers are representative of "Modern right-wing Christianity" either.

>>509925977
>insults and personal are the basis for ad hominem by definition
>uhhhh it’s not the same because I say so
Very intellectual.
>different posters disagree with me
>must be the same guy on a proxy
See above.

>>509925829
how many boosters are you on rn?

>>509924443
so was Emperor Julian. he still allied the kikes

>>509922994
the entire event was politically motivated, not religiously

>>509926682
Religion is weaker then genetics. But this is a fact anons here like to ignore. A braindead monkey cant become a philosopher, even if he tries and a goatfucker predisposed to violence will always rather bash in heads then listen to abstract concepts about reality.

>>509926686
It took you ten minutes of googling to craft this weak-sauce response. You are truly pathetic.

Yes, you are guilty of employing the fallacy. I am not, because my opponent’s character was the subject of our argument. He was using himself as an example of intellectualism and philo-womanity, which i challenged on the basis of my assessment of his personality. But my assessment really was of the majority of people of his persuasion, so, even if i was wrong sbout him, there is still a current of truth in my assessment.

>>509927011
Youd be surprised. Read more about Peter Thiel’s Dark Enlightenment and the Heritage Foundation’s goals.

Youve been indoctrinated into thinking your ideology is counter-culture, when it’s the ideology of most young men who spend a lot of time online these days. And why? Please read about Thiel. Not from popular faggot news articles, but from spergs like Moarpheus.

>>509927030
There is a difference. Trying to discredit someone’s argument by attacking irrelevant details of his personality is fallacious. Just calling someone a retarded fag, which is simply what you are, is not.

>>509924058
>>509925271
she was killed for political reasons, nothing to do with her teachings. Christian teachings at the time were very much aligned with Neoplatonism

>>509926584
>Do you think youre at all representative of alt-right Christians?
I'd say he is actually, although it must be mentioned that some Christians are still in their infancy and the incremental increases in virtue are not so obviously apparent yet.

>>509922279 (OP)
>>509922450
>>509922491
That's a man

>>509925798
>bunch of niggers and semites
yes that's what he said "christians"

>>509924443
And jesus was a pedophile, Mark 14:51,52

>>509922279 (OP)
Christians are the goodest goys.

>>509922491
niggers gonna nig

>>509927404
No evidence for virtue and academic inclination increasing with religiosity. In fact, there is a strong inverse correlation between intelligence and religiosity that is well noted.

>>509927371
She was killed for being a female scientist.

Just because you read a modern blogpost where a Christian pundit deflected to whatever this narrative is doesnt mean he was right. Think more critically instead of blibdly placing your trust in the writings of others OH WAIT LOL

>>509927494
>Mark 14:51,52
what about it?
>inb4 the glownigger Ammon hillman 's bogey translation than even his idol in the field disavows.

>>509927605
>that is well noted.
by who? the same academics that say a man can be a woman and woman a man and there's no difference between the races? Discarded.

>>509922491
>Her captors were brown
Many such cases. Sad!

>>509926968
I Dont know, man, also, Why did jews cause so much trouble in Alexandria? I Mean there is the story from phili of Alexandria(jews) about them being massacred in 38ce. is there any story about greek /romans/persians/ etc civilians causing trouble. I only know stories about jewish people causing trouble in other people's countries

>>509927350
>There is a difference.
No, there really isn’t. You’re dismissing an opposing view because you believe those who hold it are uneducated southerners who skim PDF, play video games and like gay porn. The fact this has to be explained to you at a 3rd grade level indicates you’re not nearly as clever as you think you are. You’re more than willing to dish out but when you’re on the receiving end it is unacceptable. This is the “intellectualism” I encountered in my several years in higher education and I’m tired of pretending you dumb fucks are actually smart. You’re rationalizing, poorly.

>>509927350
>It took you ten minutes of googling to craft this weak-sauce response. You are truly pathetic.
hot, keep insulting me please
>>509927605
>She was killed for being a female scientist.
can you point to the verse in scripture that says "slaughter the female scientists in the name of our LORD!" ?

>>509922279 (OP)
Hypatia is burning in hell.

>>509924863
Leave him be.

>>509922279 (OP)
im pretty sure i remember this movie

>>509924648
>>509927918
>christcucks are mentally ill schizos
every time

>>509927371
>she was killed for political reasons
As were almost all witch hangings and burnings in the Medieval ages. But that history was re-written and taught to us by people who hate us.

>>509928159
Is the movie any good? I’ve never seen it
>>509928159
Fuentes and his followers did far more to ruin this board than any jeet or tranoid ever could.

>>509927781
>science bad

>>509927903
Do i have to cite that highly specific thing, or are you intellectually honest enough to accept the entire history of Christianity?

>>509922279 (OP)
we all learned about her in High School
>why?
because its black magic mind control
like all the greek shit we learn
>the greeks never existed?
They existed, but the lineage and integrity of the knowledge they possessed is owned by the cult that now runs the world

stories of heroes getting murdered over and over again has made americans scared and apathetic towards their own slavery

>>509928628
>black magic mind control
Elaborate?

>>509922279 (OP)
It is scientifically possible to eliminate every Arab from Egypt in 24 hours

>>509928524
>Do i have to cite that highly specific thing, or are you intellectually honest enough to accept the entire history of Christianity?
yes, for a few reasons.
1: as i noted earlier, the actions of the mob went entirely against Christian teachings, most specifically Romans 13, which said everyone is to be subject to the governing authorities, which in this case was oretes, hypathia's boss.
stripping her naked and killing her with shards of pottery runs counter to Christian motives, therefore it's more likely it was a political thing.
2: the "conflict theory" you're alluding to has been utterly debunked by secular (even atheist) historians of science, see pic related.

>>509928890 (Me)
>conflict theory
i meant "conflict thesis"

>>509922279 (OP)
>a mob of Christians stripped Hypatia naked and murdered her

Amazing how those ancient mob of christians resemble current day muslims!

>>509927605
>She was killed for being a female scientist.
On literally what grounds do you say this?
She was aligned with the losing faction (or Christians, lol) during a power struggle that occurred as Cyril was being appointed archbishop.
As Cyril was trying to expel the Jews, she remained loyal to the faction that was hostile to Cyril and admonished Cyril for persecuting Jews immediately after a massacre perpetrated by Jews.

There is contemporary historical documentation of this from both sides of the power struggle. Yet you just default to your pseudo-intuition of "Christians bad and hade women/science" when talking about an event that you know literally nothing about.

>>509928890
Christian-like beliefs exist on a spectrum between rationality and irrationality, and are closer to the end of irrationality. My evidence for this is the entire history of Christianity right up until the modern day, where we have people in this very thread dismissing science because “hurrdurr trannees jo00oOos”

Im phonephagging, so i cant read your Christian Snopes article. Summary? Dark ages werent real because monks hoarded ancient Greek knowledge and hid it from the proles?

>>509928758
>stories of heroes getting murdered over and over again has made americans scared and apathetic towards their own slavery


The one liner with these "heroes" is
>see what happens when you do the right thing and stand up to the current people in power?

you get tortured to death and the crowd will cheer

>>509928524
>science
Replication crisis status?

>>509922491
they all look fucking brown lmao

>>509929091
The consensus among historians is that she was killed by Christian zealots for being a female scientist.

What you are espousing is an alternative hypothesis. Your mistake is in choosing to believe it because it aligns with your biases.

>>509929327
early christianity was almost entirely a racially oriental phenomenon among kalergian urbanites, going by genetics they would be cypriot-lebanese like

>>509929354
>Your mistake is in choosing to believe it because it aligns with your biases.
You cannot possibly be this un-self aware and whine about anti-intellectualism.

>>509922491
Christianity and niggers goes together like fried chicken and watermelon

>>509929240
>Christian-like beliefs exist on a spectrum between rationality and irrationality
i wholeheartedly disagree.
all of my views are rationalized, including talking snakes and donkeys.
i find the atheist worldview more irrational, given that it begins nothing creating everything for no reason.
> i cant read your Christian Snopes article
it's a blogpost by an atheist historian who holds a Master of Arts in Medieval Literature from the University of Tasmania and is a member of the Australian Atheist Foundation and the Australian Skeptics.
it's an interesting read and can be found here:
https://strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/

>>509929517
>actually all the historians are wrong
>you see this arcane event was unfolding at the same time, and THIS was the true cause
That reads more like a post trying to establish who the real Zodiac killer was. You can grasp at straws all day. What did contemporary sources note about the mob who killed hypatia?
>christian
>misogynistic
>anti-intellectual
>accused her of witchcraft

Why does this poster say people were executed for witchcraft in more recent years?
>it’s le politics
Cant be that Christians are irrational and believe in magic and heresy, can it? Ohhh certainly not!! Just ignore the posters in this thread who are exactly like that lmfao

>>509929354
>The consensus among historians is that she was killed by Christian zealots for being a female scientist.
I'd honestly be surprised if you can even find ONE historian who thinks this, even on the fringe.

I did some legwork for you and opened the Wikipedia article:
>A violent power struggle over the diocese broke out between Cyril and his rival Timothy. Cyril won and immediately began to punish the opposing faction; he closed the churches of the Novatianists, who had supported Timothy, and confiscated their property.[73] Hypatia's school seems to have immediately taken a strong distrust toward the new bishop,[68][70] as evidenced by the fact that, in all his vast correspondences, Synesius only ever wrote one letter to Cyril, in which he treats the younger bishop as inexperienced and misguided.[70]
>following an exchange of hostilities and a Jewish-led massacre, Cyril closed all the synagogues in Alexandria, confiscated all the property belonging to the Jews, and expelled a number of Jews from the city;
>the Roman prefect of Alexandria, who was also a close friend of Hypatia[21] and a recent convert to Christianity,[21][79][80] was outraged by Cyril's actions and sent a scathing report to the emperor.[21][73][81] The conflict escalated and a riot broke out in which the parabalani, a group of Christian clerics under Cyril's authority, nearly killed Orestes.[73]
>Despite Hypatia's popularity, Cyril and his allies attempted to discredit her and undermine her reputation.[90][91] Socrates Scholasticus mentions rumors accusing Hypatia of preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril.[88][91]

>>509922279 (OP)
She looks like she just finished reading her DEATH part.

>>509922279 (OP)
That history YouTuber did a video on her. Well, on the movie about her.
Nick Hodges.
Great channel.
He critiques the historical accuracy of movies.

>>509929824
Just at a cursory glance, this article makes a number of historical blunders. I am typing on a retard phone, so i will focus only on one:
The church may have sponsored scientists, but it did more to repress science. The church declared heliocentrism heresy, for instance. There is no way of rationalising that.

>>509930295
>He critiques the historical accuracy of movies.
Oof. Only acceptable if he's doing that on documentaries.

>>509930318
Pol christlarpers don’t understand just how batshit insane the Alexandrian church was in its early years. These people made someone like Steven Anderson look like a moderate. They were basically Christian ISIS

>>509927464
The point being that the former generally lack the capacity to understand the teachings, and the latter the integrity to adhere to them instead of twisting and manipulating them to serve their needs. Obviously there are exceptions too.

>>509929967
Also from that article
> Traces of other rumors that spread among the Christian populace of Alexandria may be found in the writings of the seventh-century Egyptian Coptic bishop John of Nikiû,[40][91] who alleges in his Chronicle that Hypatia had engaged in satanic practices
Conveniently ignored because it does not align with your biases.

>>509930568
>These people made someone like Steven Anderson look like a moderate. They were basically Christian ISIS
Based.

>>509930782
Go back Fuentes fag

>>509930819
>kike
>accusing other of being brown

>>509930734
Skipped over because it's not relevant.
I addressed that rumors were spread to discredit her. Her being a satan worshiper according to some of the rumors literally aligns with my point. But you're too retarded to understand why.

>>509930933
The Salem Bitch Trials did nothing wrong.

if hypathia was murdered for being a womyn scientist, why wasn't aedesia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedesia

>>509930318
>The church declared heliocentrism heresy, for instance.
that is a gross misrepresentation of the galileo affair, which is one of the most funniest things in history.

basically, galileo and the pope were buddies. scientists at the time were split between the copernican model and the old-school ptolemaic view, where Earth was the center of everything. (both of these models are wrong by the way)

it wasn’t some clear-cut “science vs. religion” showdown, plenty of churchmen were intrigued by heliocentrism, and plenty of scientists still clung to geocentrism. galileo was asked to represent the geocentric model in his book by the pope, and galileo did so by having the pope play a character in it named "simplicio" (which basically means retard) in a strawman narrative in the book.
then galileo (an old old man at this point) was sentenced to live in a lavish tuscan villa as punishment for his betrayal.

>>509930919
I didn’t say you’re brown I said you’re a Fuentes fag and you need to go back. I denounce the talmud

>>509930568
They burned down the library of Alexandria because it had tranknee books that was making the kids worship Satan

>>509930933
Why did her opposition spread rumors of Satanism if they werent anti-intellectual zealots who opposed neoplatonists for the well-recognized reason the latter did not condemn science as heresy?

>>509930426
>don't call out propaganda goy

>>509929908
>consensus means infallible truth that cannot be questioned
No.
>contemporary sources
The sources at the time outline the greater struggle between Hypatia and the Bishop of Alexandria which has been brought up in this thread multiple times. They do not apply the modern labels you do. That comes from later historiographic analysis during the enlightenment which over-romanticize her, undeniably. This is your bias shining though again while accusing others of the same thing you’re guilty of. It is quite telling.

>>509930426
Why?
It's a good channel and I enjoy the videos.
Take the gladiator sequel for example, he absolutely tore it up over for how utterly stupid and historically inaccurate it was.
I dont think he will ever do
>The greatest story never told
If that is what you're getting at.
I don't think he has done the recent Napoleon garbage yet.
He doesn't just pan movies either, he certainly praises those that remain historically accurate. You'll learn a lot.

>>509931032
>I denounce the talmud
Karaite kike, detected.

>>509931029
He was tried for heresy, not rudeness. Read more than a single article. There was an injunction against heliocentrism by the church.

>>509931099
Because Satan isnt a rumor, queerbait, he's real. Youre the anti intellectual, gayfag.

>>509931191
Why do you know so much about Jews unless you SECRETLY ARE ONE!

>>509931177
Its hilarious because the backdrop of the greater struggle youre artlessly referring to was “Christianity vs science.”

>>509931099
>Why did her opposition spread rumors of Satanism if they werent anti-intellectual zealots who opposed neoplatonists for the well-recognized reason the latter did not condemn science as heresy?
Because she was aligned with the Christian faction that opposed the current Archbishop of Alexandria.
Because he was undermining the authority of the leadership that was expelling murderous kikes from the city.
Why did so many Christians like her before the rumors spread?

>>509929612
Are half of the people in Ireland niggers?
I'm pretty sure they're much whiter than you, mutt.

>>509931361
>Why do you know so much about Jews unless you SECRETLY ARE ONE!
I read Mein Kampf. There is more truth in that book than there was in the entire Library at Alexandria. Seethe, homoid.
>Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Matthew 10:16

>>509931421
Christians were hesitant to like her, because she was a woman who was allowed to speak and was pagan. The new Archbishop clearly opposed her even before she opposed him, on the basis of her being a female scientist.

The previous archbishop tolerated her because he thought he could use her to convert pagans to Christianity. After he died, she rightfully recognized she was in deep trouble and started to try to pull levers against the nee archbishop.

But to pretend these politics had nothing to do with religious zealotry is hilarious. She was hunted down and tortured to death by a mob of Christian zealots in a pagan temple.

>>509931670
Exactly what a deep cover kike would say. I have you

>>509931822
She was generally popular. Most people both Christian’s and pagans liked her.

>>509931421
And i know women spoke a lot in the early church, but Christianity had not yet become what Christianity is. It took time for our European spirit to be subverted.

>>509931902
You can like someone and still distrust her.

>>509931383
>Hypatia aligns herself with a sect of Christians opposed to the bishop of Alexandria
>is killed because of her opposition to said bishop
>uhhh its Christians v science
Yes, you are biased. No, you are not intelligent for parroting nonsense.

>>509931293
absolutely, technically it was heresy (again, heliocentrism is wrong, the sun is not the center of our universe, scientists were split between 2 false models at the time.)
the 1616 injunction was vague, it basically just said "don't ASSERT copernicanism as fact" and galileo DID obey it, until his buddy the pope gave him the green light to DISCUSS heliocentrism neutrally in "dialogue concerning the two chief world systems."

the problem wasn't science, it was galileo trolling the pope by putting his arguments in the mouth of the retard character, while the pro-copernicus character shat on him.
the trial was less "burn the heretic" and more "you ungrateful bastard, we gave you wine and pensions and you made the pope look like a clown"
the "heresy" charge was the bureaucratic crowbar to shut him up.

and let's not pretend the church was monolithic here, jesuit astronomers were using heliocentrism for calendars by the 1700s, the whole affair was a soap opera with math.
the "punishment" was house arrest in a duke's villa where he kept publishing.

>>509932001
No analysis on your part of why she did that? Was it because of the new archbishop’s politics against Hypatia?

“The woman started it” is your default doctrine, believed uncritically and enforced with loutish militantism

>>509932055
Lmao thisbis just too much. The keybosrd pisses mebiff, butbthisbis just funny. I will respond to the first sentence only
>both were heresy
No, the heresy was the assertion that earth is not the center of the universe, not that the sun is. Galileo also got in trouble for his recognition that our sun is one of many in the cosmos.

Going to be leaving this thread now. Mitht come bsck on my computrr later if thread is still up

>>509931421
youre an interesting fellow

>>509931822
>hristians were hesitant to like her, because she was a woman who was allowed to speak and was pagan. The new Archbishop clearly opposed her even before she opposed him, on the basis of her being a female scientist.
You keep saying this, but you have nothing to back it up. Literally nothing.

>But to pretend these politics had nothing to do with religious zealotry is hilarious. She was hunted down and tortured to death by a mob of Christian zealots in a pagan temple.
On this I absolutely agree. The motivating factor behind this entire power struggle she got herself caught up in was religious zealotry.
But when you say shit like this:
>>509929354
>The consensus among historians is that she was killed by Christian zealots for being a female scientist.
You are just mouthing off Reddit fedora-tipper levels of historically illiterate butthurt. You have no idea what you're talking about and are so far up your own ass that you think "Christians bad and hate science so historians must agree with my retarded interpretation because it's obviously correct."

>>509922279 (OP)
According to wignats she was not White anyways (Egypt is not Germanic) so what's the problem?

>>509932499
Kek neither are Greeks and Italians according them. TFW white civilzation was started by nonwhite people

>>509922491
>niggers are jews did this
Sounds like the death of civilization.

>>509932305
"heresy" was a moving target, the 1616 decree condemned holding as absolute truth that the sun was the immovable center of the universe (which again, is wrong, the sun orbits the milky way and modern cosmology has no "center")
galileo's real sin was insisting heliocentrism was physically true (not just math tricks) after being told to present it hypothetically.
the catholic church's position was stupid (hi, i'm protestant), but not because they hated science, they just (wrongly) thought aristotle's physics was unshakable.

"one of many suns" wasn't the issue, bruno got torched for that, sure, but galileo's trial was 100% about dunking on the pope and violating the 1616 memo. the church knew about stars being distant suns (medieval monks debated it) they just didn't care until galileo made it a theological pissing contest.
the real irony is the jesuits teaching copernican math in vatican approved schools by 1650, the church's "war on science" mostly amounted to "stop calling our favorite philosophers braindead in print"

>>509932124
>No analysis on your part of why she did that?
>he says after bleating out it was just because of muh science without his own analysis
It is difficult to take you seriously.
>Was it because of the new archbishop’s politics against Hypatia?
It was literally over the expulsion of jews from Alexandria by the Bishop over them slaughtering Christians. She was asked to interview by the Roman governor, a Christian convert because of this issue. This is from the contemporary sources. But for her intervention she would not have been murdered. There is zero basis for your claim of “Christianity v. science.”
>“The woman started it” is your default doctrine,
No it isn’t.
>believed uncritically and enforced with loutish militantism
>he says after crying all historians
You are painfully dumb.

>>509932366
>Literally nothing.
Christian doctrine.

>>509922814
I first read about her on some now defunct obscure blog in the late 2000s before I had ever really actually read anything about Varg (I only knew him for his music and criminal record in the 90s back then).
>>509922994
The book "Demolish Them" was my first inkling. Then I found "Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums".

>>509927464
>>509922491
>>509922279 (OP)
>>509922789
>>509922994
>>509923750
>>509924058
what the fuck do you not get about the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".
anyone who kills another is not a christian. true christians keep the commandments.

just another anti christian thread by jeets, kikes and faggots.

Typical uncivilized christcucks doing desert nigger things.

>>509922279 (OP)
Based. Modern Christians should start killing feminists again. They had the right idea

>>509925905
>I'll be honest with you,
First kek. My day begins...

>>509923750
yeah, they totally would!
so it's a good thing there's no female scientists in america
otherwise they'd definitely do that thing you said they'd do!
you're a lunatic

>>509933537
Oh cool. New retard.
Let's say it was part of Christian doctrine in the 5th century that "woman scientist = bad."
There's a mountain of contemporary historical records explaining why she was killed. "She was a woman scientist" did not make it on that list of reasons.

When the Church did kill scientists for espousing perceived heresy, they proudly proclaimed that as the reason. But not in this case. Why do you think that is?

>>509933883
Modern christians and feminists have the same interests. 18 age of consent happened when christians and feminists worked together towards the same goal.
Notice how being either a christian or a feminist is a requirement when seething about porn.

>>509923750
Women who go against the patriarchy should be beaten to death. That's decidedly pro-intellectual

>>509927292
You sound like the kind of shill who would also claim the Catholic Church totally did not persecute Gallileo for his scientific views or anything and the Catholic Church funded all the scientific breakthroughs of the Renaissance and early Modernity (they did not).
>>509927261
A pragmatic pact. He still affronted them when he was going to pay for the third temple being built. Jews hated that because a) pagan gentiles (pagan and goy meant the same thing originally and still actually does because protip christians and muslims are not actually gentiles) should not get to decide when it is to be rebuilt and b) it should not be funded by the same imperial throne of a goy empire that had already destroyed the previous temple.
>>509927371
Christian teachings at the time and now are a distortion of Neoplatonism. Nothing else. The Jewish Kabballah is also a corruption of Neoplatonism by Maimonides.

>>509934284
Christianity was the original feminsim. Ancient Christians were proto leftists

>>509934193
>"She was a woman scientist" did not make it on that list of reasons.
>And in those days there appeared in Alexandria a female philosopher, a pagan named Hypatia, and she was devoted at all times to magic, astrolabes and instruments of music, and she beguiled many people through her Satanic wiles. And the governor of the city honoured her exceedingly; for she had beguiled him through her magic. And he ceased attending church as had been his custom... And he not only did this, but he drew many believers to her, and he himself received the unbelievers at his house.
First one.
you don't say "a male philosopher"

>>509934284
I notice you are a well poisoner. Lowering age of consent or being pro porn is not a pagan position per se. Its just a piece of shit position held by pieces of shit like you who back it up with flimsy anectodes.

>>509934474
You can look at christianity as an attempt to submit the right wing ethnocentric jews of the roman empire.

>>509927605
>She was killed for being a female scientist.
>Just because you read a modern blogpost where [an apologist] deflected to whatever this narrative is doesnt mean he was right
ironic
why don't you look past the surface into the political and microeconomic consequences of witch trials and get back to me?
highly recommend boyer & nissenbaum

>>509934618
I didn't mention what my position on those issues is.

>>509934660
Christianity was a urbanite religion.
The word "Pagan" was a slur targeting the 90% of Romans who didn't live in cities. It literally means "rural". As in "rural and suburban retards". Early christians were bugmen

>>509934536
>you don't say "a male philosopher"
For the same reason you don't say "a white Klansmen."
If you say "philosopher" people will assume it's male.

Not to mention, this wasn't a list of reasons for killing her. It was well-poisoning to prime contemporaries so her eventual killing would seem more justified.

>>509934712
You implied as much.
>>509934660
That would be a very stupid way to look at it then.
What Christianity actually was and became post-Paul was an idiosyncratic mess and tool for Jews to partially judaize goyim through. This tool has been used as both a golem and controlled opposition back and forth just as Islam also has been.

>>509934618
>>509934660
>>509934896

>Lowering age of consent

Ironically, both the pagan & christian position is that the age of majority is puberty, which is the natural age. Higher nominal majority ages weren't enforced well historically. Teenagers would easily assume liability for military,marriage, etc. contracts by lying about age.

But Judaism led to Christianity which led to Liberalism which led to Feminism. Christians think about collectives rather than tribes in the name of 'saving everyone', hence liberalism.

>>509922279 (OP)
looks like a tranny

>>509935081
>It was well-poisoning to prime contemporaries so her eventual killing would seem more justified.
so, the reason her killers killed her, not their boss' reason, but their personal reason and justification to all christians of alexandria.
why did the jews riot?

There were a shit ton of crypto Jews who converted to Christianity in Alexandria at the time. I think a saint from a neighboring city who went there after her murder even said some of them were part of the mob who killed her.

>>509935092
>What Christianity actually was and became post-Paul was an idiosyncratic mess and tool for Jews to partially judaize goyim through
I agree with that, but it is plausible that paul was a roman spy. Many jews did convert to christianity and became better citizens as a result.

>>509935115
>both the pagan & christian position is that the age of majority is puberty, which is the natural age. Higher nominal majority ages weren't enforced well historically. Teenagers would easily assume liability for military,marriage, etc. contracts by lying about age.
Lies.

>>509935434
>I agree with that, but it is plausible that paul was a roman spy. Many jews did convert to christianity and became better citizens as a result.
Then you actually do not agree with me if this is your dumb take on it.
Why are you like this?

>>509922279 (OP)
>Hypatia
>born ~400 ad
>lectured Plato and Aristotle

>>509935627
I have heard multiple theories on it. I have also heard from smart people that jesus did exist and didn't exist. How the fuck am i supposed to know? It's all speculation.

>>509924367
Thats not the reason they killed her. This is CI schizo cope.

>>509922491
Based

>>509935716
on

>>509935867
How does it feel to have no a/c during the summer europoor? Can you feel your IQ dropping like your grandparents dying?

>>509935716
>They tore her body into pieces and dragged her limbs through the town to a place called Cinarion, where they set them on fire.[95][101][100] According to Watts, this was in line with the traditional manner in which Alexandrians carried the bodies of the "vilest criminals" outside the city limits to cremate them as a way of symbolically purifying the city.
a bishop made it ok for christians to do this via his propaganda.

>>509922926
SHE'S A WITCH! AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH WITCHES?! BURN THEM!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g

>>509935545

It's true, look at the historical precedent. Judaism sets adulthood at 13+. There was no formal majority age in Egypt/Babylon, you were an adult liable for contracts at 13-15 based on physical characteristics alone. Up until the modern era, despite the nominal majority age being higher in the West (21), the 21 age wasn't enforced well, many teenagers lied about their age to get married/join the world wars, etc.

Regarding the Hajnal Line Phenomenon, that's only pertinent to parts of western europe during the middle ages, in roman times, 16 was the average marriage age even in Western Europe.

>>509935990
Did you really just quote jewpedia to insult the one religion whose true goal is to fight jew psyops while ignoring how wrong OP the faggot is?
No wonder europoors make fun of usa flags.

>>509935867
Its wild Americans get to claim they invented the internet and computers when this is what so many of them they use it for.
Just to make clear though: Not all Americans. Some of them are alright. But bear in mind that some 80% of male Americans are circumcised.

>>509922926
browns squabble
whites suffer

>>509936165
do you have an argument or are you just mad?
please tell us how you think op is wrong.

>>509935990
The more you read about Cyril the more you'll come to understand what a piece of shit he was. Very evil man.

>>509936224
>Americans get to claim they invented the internet and computers
If we didn't then who did? By the way can EU stop sueing us to get a slice of the tech pie every 3-5 years?

>>509925542
>You have zero idea what you're talking about here.
>Constantine's reign started over a century before this.


The christian religion and the church was founded as a front for jewish organized crime to go under the radar of the roman authorities. The reason christians (starting with rabbi yeoshua) recruited the dregs of society (a technique that would be called bio-leninism in a latter age) was to gain power trough raw brute force trough controlling the mob. This power was then used to extort the more wealthy in a classic protection scheme, pay up and you wont have any problems. The money gained was reinvested in recruiting more dregs and forming more congregations. Money thus gave power and power gave money and the romans did not understand that they were dealing with organized crime and not a religion because they had never seen something like this before.

>>509936293
>do you have an argument or are you just mad?
huh? Can you read english or do I need a hebrew translator?
>>509936293
>please tell us how you think op is wrong.
>>509935716
>>Hypatia
>>born ~400 ad
>>lectured Plato and Aristotle
Do you even use this site?

>>509936125
You are all over the place on definitions now. So its uselsess to debate you on it.
>>509936165
Did you really just suggest the true goal of the oldest Jewish psyop in the world (Christianity) itself is to fight Jewish psyops?

>>509922279 (OP)
You forgot to mention they then invented the story of St. Catherine which is a reskin only with christian and pagan sides swapped.

>>509922926
>prefect who tortured Christians to death
Based

>>509935256
>the reason her killers killed her, not their boss' reason, but their personal reason and justification to all christians of alexandria.
No. Their reason was what I already told you. She aligned with the losing faction.

>why did the jews riot?
They were forcibly baptized by the empire.
>Agapius, a late chronicler, reports violence in Alexandria on the part of the Jews occurring in 411. Some Jews who had been forcibly baptized took a statue of Christ and crucified it, mocking the Christians and crying out, "That is your Messiah!" A riot naturally ensued in which many Jews and Christians lost their lives

>>509924648
>You mean a Caananite/Phoenician?
No. That's what you worship as a "god", Rabbi Yeshua ben Yosef.

>>509936435
do you think op means that she spoke to Plato and Aristotle instead of studied and lectured about their philosophies?
you have to be 18+ to post here.

>>509936323
You "invented" everything you lay claim to on the back of tech you looted from post-war Europe. And the only thing before that you could credible stake a claim on is aviation. But not really though because the Wirghts had contemporaries in the old world too.

>>509923280
Honestly I find the writings of Saint Augustine more offensive than the death of any scholar.
>Gaiz it's good that the Visigoths raped Roman virgins since now they won't be proud of their chastity

>>509936473
>So its uselsess to debate you on it.

Age of Majority automatically encompasses Consent, so you don't need to argue Consent when you argue Majority. Majority Age itself is arbitrary.

>>509936473
>jews kill jesus and create the talmud and organize
>Christianity is not built to fight jews
Just cause you are used to sheep and psyops here and every other social media doesn't mean that it's true intentions. There is a reason they are called Christian Zionists, not just Christians. The Christian Zionists are better off being messianic jews.

>>509922279 (OP)
>Modern speculative estimates based on her accomplishments place her IQ around 170-190.
TOPKEK. She was literally a fucking high school teacher

>>509922279 (OP)
Why are you reading my mind and monitoring what I'm reading about. I was thinking about her and the so-called christcuck lector named "Peter" that killed her.

>>509936660
>do you think op means that she spoke to Plato and Aristotle instead of studied and lectured about their philosophies?
>She lectured on Plato and Aristotle, commented on works by Diophantus and Apollonius, and contributed to astronomy, making her one of history's first notable female mathematicians.
Do you understand what lecturing means?
I really do need a hebrew translator to speak with you I guess.

>>509923750
Misogyny is the objectively correct moral position

>>509936579
ok but he used the fact that she was a woman scientist to sway the mob. made it easier for the christians to cleans the city like she was a demon.

>>509936359
This. Also the Sicarii (the first terrorist organization ever and a reminder that Jews invented terrorism too) and early Christians were easy to conflate.

>>509936830
so you think op implied she spoke to Plato and Aristotle.
kek

>>509936888
Let's have some fun with this:
Who was Pulcheria?

>>509936723
>>509936723
>>509936723
>Age of Majority automatically encompasses Consent, so you don't need to argue Consent when you argue Majority. Majority Age itself is arbitrary.
t. shit you just made up
>>509936738
Christian Zionism is a golem. Your mental illness (Christian Idenity or whatever nonsense you describe yourself as) is controlled opposition. I hate you both. Go away,

>>509936898
>two swedish larpagans jerk each other off to worship a woman the most
What a garbage thread

>>509937008
It's possible depending on the chronology you're on.

>>509936867
Rabbis agree with you on that.

>>509937104
>american christkook can not dispute anything and just goes on a seething tirade again
Day that ends in y.

>>509936576
>In retaliation for expelling the jews

>>509936695
>Gaiz it's good that the Visigoths raped Roman virgins since now they won't be proud of their chastity
that's a gross distortion of what he was saying in City of God.
he was more offering consolation and pointing out why the girls shouldn't kill themselves (like roman values glorified) for being raped rather than saying it was a good thing that it happened. chastity is a virtue of will rather than being merely of the body, the victims bore no guilt or impurity on the sanctity of their souls.

>>509936738
christianity was a psyop from day 1 lmao, and you fell for it

>brown id

see, even 4chan knows your take is shit.

>>509937081
When's the last time you did a blood sacrifice to thor or odin mr viking boy?

>>509937304
>flag has big yellow Christian symbol on it
>hates Christians
embarrassing

>>509937057
a royal of the roman empire in constantinople.

>>509937380
He outright says they gained humility

>>509937081

No, look at the historical record. There was no formal age of majority in Egypt/Babylon, you were given contractual rights & considered an adult at 13-15 depending upon the stage of puberty.

>>509937580
and?
again, he's offering consolation.
"yeah, you were raped and that's fucking terrible, but look on the bright side [yada yada yada] don't kill yourselves"

>>509937334
>Nooo you have to pick sides in our Jew war
Nah they were both tolerated as long as they didn't cause trouble. Shit like that fully vindicates the slaughter of the Christians. Even the Jews under Roman rule were mostly passive after the Judean wars shattered them as a unified people while Christians went around smashing statues and lynching people for not being Christian.

>>509937528
Its either that or posting under a memeflag. I condemn the Swedish state.
>>509937462
Oh nononononono the idiot anon believes Hollywood and Netflix is real life and history and what pagans do/did.

>>509937559
Yes, and the primary counselor of her younger brother, Theodosius II, who was like 7 years old or some shit. She was a mid-teenager at the time.

By the time of Hypatia's death, the empire was under the de facto leadership of a woman and everyone was well aware of this fact.

>>509937787
Honorius was such a fucking retard. Stilicho did nothing wrong

>>509937602
>Egypt/Babylon
Aaaaaaaaaand thats all you got and you are not even sincere about those two anyway.

>>509937787
the representative of the empire fled alexandria after her death.

>>509937707
>It's okay that you were raped and you shouldn't be ashamed
vs
>You were raped but now you're more virtuous because you were raped

Not to mention disgracing historical and mythological heroes of Rome is right out of modern Jewish tactics "well actually Lucretzia was immoral for killing herself and deserves to be in hell" "well actually Thomas Jefferson was an evil pedophile rapist because he had sex with a 17 year old slave."

>>509937772
>anon believes Hollywood and Netflix is real life and history and what pagans do/did.
So what tree do you worship and praise?

>>509937528
if i throw a rock into a crowd of christians, i am either hitting a boomer or a shitskin

which are you?

>>509922279 (OP)
>female "intellectual"
>killed by Christians
Based, we need to get back to these important traditions.

>>509937991
Relevance?

>>509938026
>So what tree do you worship and praise?
Thats none of your business. You probably want to chop it down knowing your kind.

>>509925905
Almost all priests are homosexuals. Why act so surprised? How many breeders would give up juicy tits for the rest if their lifes to worship the image of a naked man alongside other men and loads of young boys, who are subservient to them?
Although in the previous centuries, pederasty/homosexuality was still an esoteric practice, nothing you'd have the whole world know about.

>>509938121
I say we need even older traditions, like executing Christians

>>509938132
do representatives of empires flee empire-controlled areas?
do you think Cyril respected the leader of the empire?

>>509937179
The gangs all here.

>>509938251
I have more grand oak trees in my 1 acre of land than your local shitty commie block park. You are probably some nigger swedish immigrant anyways.

>>509937996
you're misrepresenting augustine's argument and conflating it with modern rhetoric. his point wasn't that rape made the victims more virtuous, but that their virtue, rooted in the will and not their violated bodies remained intact despite the trauma.
the "humility" he mentions isn't a benefit of rape, but a rejection of the roman cultural shame that drove victims to suicide.
he was undermining the idea that rape destroyed their moral worth, which was a radical defense of the victims, not an endorsement of the violence.

as for your comparison to modern critiques, augustine wasn't "disgracing" roman heroes to score ideological points, he was challenging a specific cultural value (suicide as honorable) from a theological perspective. equating his 5th century consolation with modern discourse is a stretch. if you want to critique contemporary moral revisionism, fine, but don't project it onto augustine.

>>509938474
You are really bad at making assumptions of people you talk to anonymously on the internet. Really bad at it.
I can deduce that the following:
>I have more grand oak trees in my 1 acre of land
was a tryhard lie on your part though.

>>509938661
The try hard part is on you for me to go out and take a picture so I can doxx myself to retards here. Stay black nigger.

>>509938567
>Words don't mean what they mean

>>509938284
Cyril was explicitly an ally of Pulcheria. Yes.
See: First Counsel of Ephesus

>>509937955

The Roman Age of Majority was 25, but there were caveats, minors that lied about age were held liable & people typically married at around 16 & became emancipated at that point. 14 year old orphans also became emancipated. That's when the Bulla was removed.

>>509938747
clown

>>509938738
I was not asking you to do that. And I will not ask you to do that. Stop playing the victim and stop trying to put into my mouth I neither said let alone even implied, you neurotic, histrionic shitbag.

>>509938753
but he expelled their representative and killed their unaffiliated ally?

>>509938933
>your lying about where you live
How else am I to prove to you I do?
Why is cognition so barren amongst you niggers?

>>509924867
Source?

>>509938747
Welcome to christian pilpul 101. This is what they always do.
Has anyone mentioned yet itt that the "barbarian" visigoths and vandals who sacked Rome were christians themselves? Because they were.
>>509938802
Again you are all over the place reaching and making yourself look like a complete clown.

>>509939020
I am not even demanding to know where you live.
You are the one who asked me a personal question question. When I refused to give out the information you demanded of me you started playing the victim and projected that I was somehow trying to dox you.
No, clown. Just stop speaking to me now.

>>509939383
I wont nigger faggot. Go back to Africa.

>>509939240
so you agree with his retarded take on augustine's statement?
he seems to have given up, i'd like to hear your rebuttal to what i'd said >>509938567 here if you have courage to not just handwave it.

>>509922279 (OP)
Here’s something debunking this atheist fairy tail https://historyforatheists.com/2024/04/hypatia-myths-and-history/

>>509922279 (OP)
Egypt during that time was a fucking warzone between Christians and Jews constantly killing each other
Its no surprise dumb bitches like this died in the crossfire

Now of course its a warzone between Muslims and Jews

>>509939240
The Goths held a Christian procession through Rome after they got done sacking it. History is strange man.

>>509938753
why would Cyril expel a representative of the female-led rome if not over theology?
by way of a female execution of a female philosopher no less.

>>509939501
>here is an article
>article is 3 sentences and say you should actually watch this podcast
you can do better man

>>509939014
>>509939604
The envoy was sent to try to simmer down the violence. They did try to put Cyril on a little time-out, ceding power to his rival, and failed. After a few years Cyril had consolidated his power over the region and made peace with the empire.

If Cyril had issues with Pulcheria being a woman do you think they would be on the same side in one of the most important counsels in the history of the Church?

>>509939460
No I think you are the christian clown doing the pilpul.
My rebuttal is that you are just doing pilpul. Its all you ever do. Endless rationalizations until your mouth fall off.

>>509939240
>you are all over the place reaching

No, I'm just talking about how the Age of Majority was traditionally set by society. There wasn't a single be-all/end-all age.

>>509939620
here's a textual summary of why the nu-atheist narrative of the hypathia story is retarded by the same atheist who's podcast is being referenced:
https://armariummagnus.blogspot.com/2009/05/agora-and-hypatia-hollywood-strikes.html
>>509939749
pussy.
coward.

>>509939749
So when is your next pilgrimage to the sacred tree?

>>509922279 (OP)
May she one day be avenged by those who love God but despise His followers and institutions!

>>509939727
yes, because she happened to be royal and have the same theology as him.

>>509939574
>Akshually Jews and Christians were fighting each other in Roman Egypt
New CI cope narrative just dropped.
>>509939584
And they specifically targeted pagan monuments and left both christian and jewish ones alone.

>>509939896
TFW everyone ITT missed the irony of christians giving Hypatia the Jesus on the cross treatment. Congrats anon you're smarter then most people on this shithole board.

>>509939972
Better question:
if the Empire was run by a man do you think Cyril would happily concede power to his rival on orders of an envoy?

>>509939859
>here's is some more coping pilpul

>>509940091
dying for your beliefs means you have stupid beliefs.
she had no choice.

>>509927794
>is there any story about greek /romans/persians/ etc civilians causing trouble.
Of course there are, but they're just never on the same level or so habitual as with jews.

>>509940277
not an argument.
give the keyboard to your mommy, maybe she can engage with me on an intellectual level instead of just hiding behind passive aggressive greentext snark.

>>509940219
yes, obviously.

>>509940293
>spiritually, morally, and ethically dead
I bet you are an outstanding person in society. You should definitely breed and make more of you and not kill yourself.

>>509922279 (OP)
>conveniently leaving out that the context that events leading to her death started with a Jewish-led massacre of Christians in Alexandria
It's literally the Jews fault

>>509940454
>if you die you win
Jesus blessed those crusades right?

>>509940442
The conflict between Cyril and Orestes started before Pulcheria took regency over Rome. It's utterly delusional to think he would have just been like "yea, this guy who I literally have a blood feud with can have control" just because a man told him so.

>>509940837
Have you ever stopped at wondered why there are few to none Christian Churches in the Levant while there are hundreds of synagogues and mosques? Also, why the Temple Mount houses a mosque?
Probably not cause you it's hard for you to think and do due diligence but easy to just vomit other's nonsense.

>>509940434
>give the keyboard to your mommy, maybe she can engage with me on an intellectual level instead of just hiding behind passive aggressive greentext snark.
You say I am snarky at the same time you got nothing left but this snarky "lol lmao you probably live with your mom" snark.
You have even less of an argument than I do then. When you have to pilpul in favor of ancient pilpulers like Augustine then you know you are at the bottom of the barrel.
>>509940524
>more cope and deflection about akshually jews and christians were killing each other at the time
How can they not be happy when they see millions of Goyim bow down to one Jew?

>>509940885
don't resort to lying now.
>>509941065
is it because Jesus died on the cross?

>>509941069
>Noooo how dare you blame my hooked nose brethren. I mean those poor upstanding Jewish fellows to which I have no relation
Kill yourself

>>509941069
>you got nothing left but this snarky "lol lmao you probably live with your mom" snark.
i have this post >>509938567 which you've stated you disagreed with but refused to engage with out of cowardice.
put your little sister on the keyboard.

>>509941160
>Doesn't answer questions.
Legitimate discussions is hard for you. I think you should go back to tiktok.

>>509941261
His little sister is still Africa. She is waiting for him to buy her a boat passage to EU.

>>509941267
>logical fallacy
you might want to check the sticky on this board before proclaiming it yours.

>>509941417
>can't even say the logical fallacy
I can give you a real logical fallacy retard, not like you haven't every reply post in this thread too.

bump

>>509941597
Best pol thread I've seen in a while. Not one mention of BBC so far...

>>509922491
>the christians are all mongrel races
cant say this is surprising

>>509941182
Except I am not defending or excusing the Jews here at all. Just calling your deflection about the death of Hypatia of all things being about Jews vs Christians.
>>509941261
What about it? Its a bunch of rationalizations and pilpul about Augustines misconceptions of the pagan view of honor and suicide.
And the rapists themselves were christianized visigoths that specifically targeted symbols and monuments of Paganism in Rome but left Christian and Jewish communities/symbols/monuments in the city mostly untouched.

>>509941160
>don't resort to lying now.
Okay, I may be mistaken. The feud happened the same year as Pulcheria's regency began. So it depends what month the riot occurred and I can't be fucked to verify.

In either case, it became a blood feud involving the allies of both sides killing each other. Cyril would be retarded to consolidate power at this time.

>>509941505
try being graceful in defeat, I'm sure you'll have countless future opportunities.
or maybe go tear apart some pagan girl to make yourself fell better?
no don't do that.
Christ wouldn't like that.
unless your preacher says He would?

>>509927329
>Religion is weaker then genetics. But this is a fact anons here like to ignore. A braindead monkey cant become a philosopher, even if he tries and a goatfucker predisposed to violence will always rather bash in heads then listen to abstract concepts about reality.
This is one fist sized truth.

>>509940017
That's the truth dipshit, maybe read about it instead of just reposting the same snippets of shit that support your garbage narrative
>NO YOU CAN ONLY DISCUSS THE VERY SPECIFIC TOPIC THAT SUPPORTS MY NARRATIVE!!!

>>509922814
nah, we read books nigger
you should try it. its alot like pol, but without all the nonsense ragebait and useless posts.
https://archive.org/details/the-darkening-age-the-christian-destruction-of-the-classical-world

start with this one. fix your historical timeline so all the jewish involvement has been put back into the record. atleast til the 3 jewish popes in one century. the author had to bail there, but you should be better and smarter and more capable than some christcuck whose spiritually dependent on jews. and if youre not, you cant be helped anyway.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3zfi5q0tXGqe/

>>509942033
Hypatia sided directly with the representative of Rome.
She was killed for that.
Why?
>pagan woman

>>509941993
>Its a bunch of rationalizations and pilpul about Augustines misconceptions of the pagan view of honor and suicide.
augustine wasn't trying to give an objective anthropological breakdown of roman honor culture, he was offering a theological alternative to it. the roman attitude absolutely was "if you're raped, you should kill yourself to preserve dignity." augustine said "no, your dignity isn't destroyed by violence done to you."

livy, valerius maximus, and modern scholars like langlands and evans grubbs confirm that roman society did equate rape with dishonor to the point of valorizing suicide (for example, lucretia).
augustine wasn’t ‘misrepresenting’ roman values, he was rejecting them. his theology of chastity as an internal virtue directly countered the disgusting roman belief that rape destroyed a woman’s worth. even critics like nussbaum admit this was a conscious critique, not ignorance.

>>509942241
Its not the truth though and something you christian shills have only turned into a narrative recently in order to deflect from what her death was actually about.

>>509941993
Its not a deflection, its just the situation of that period. Loads of people were dying during that time, atheists focus on this one bitch while ignoring what was going on during that time. If you actually read it its not even sure if it was specifically christians but a politically motivated act, Egypt was a warzone between the Christians and Jews during this time so shit like this was happening constantly.

But this isn't an actual thread of discussion just another anti-christian narrative so what's the use.

>>509926744
sounds like something jews/christians made up. like nero fiddling after christians set fire to rome

>>509926682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhtTgQFBrtQ

>>509942269
>alot
completely discredited yourself

>>509922926
>forcibly expelling the jews
you know that isnt a thing right

>>509942442
if hypathia was murdered for being a pagan womyn scientist, why wasn't aedesia?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedesia

Back in this thread, but on my computer.

I skimmed some of the Christian apologist arguments. They are bad, as usual, and rely on stretching the definitions of words and twisting the opinions of historical figures to suit a particular narrative.

Too much suspension of disbelief is required to deny the anti-intellectual and misogynist current present in Christianities both historical and modern.

>>509942475
>livy, valerius maximus, and modern scholars like langlands and evans grubbs confirm that roman society did equate rape with dishonor to the point of valorizing suicide (for example, lucretia).
Putting aside the fact that you have never read any of these authors' works...

No, Lucretia was not valorized for committing suicide, nor was she condemned for being raped. Her suicide was taken as evidence of her virtue, yes, but, without committing suicide, there would still have been outrage against the excesses of the Kingdom of Rome. Her subsequent suicide only made the mistreatment she suffered more indelibly outrageous and grotesque in the minds of the public.

>>509942516
Yes and you focus on some supposed conflict between Jews and Christians to deflect from her death and you even try to now attribute her death to it.
>it its not even sure if it was specifically christians
Complete nonsense.

>>509942691
>NOOOOOO FOCUS ON THE FEW LUCKY ONES THAT SOMEHOW EVADED THE LUNATIC CHRISTIAN LYNCH MOBS

>>509922491
those "christians" are pretty dark

>>509942691
That's like asking,
>If Jews control the media, why did they allow Henry Ford to publish anti-semitic tracts in the news?
Christianity did not impose itself over night. Of course it attempted to integrate itself into pagan culture at first! So is Islam currently attempting to ingratiate itself with Europeans. What do you think this proves?
>in early christianity, not every female scientist was slaughtered by a mob of zealous retards
So what? The zealous retards eventually took over and burned all of our historical knowledge, destroyed our technology, and plunged us into a millennium of darkness.

>>509942737
1: livy's text explicitly ties her suicide to her virtue
>"Though I acquit myself of the sin, I do not absolve myself from punishment; nor in time to come shall ever unchaste woman live through the example of Lucretia." (Livy 1.58)
this implies that, in her view (and livy’s narrative framing), suicide was the only way to prevent her violation from being seen as morally ambiguous.
2: valerius maximus praises suicide as proof of virtue
in Facta et Dicta Memorabilia (6.1.1), he lists women who killed themselves after rape as exemplars of pudicitia (chastity), treating their suicides as noble acts.
>>509942954
more worthless effeminate greentext snark from the atheist swede, sad

>>509922994
kek anyone following Christ teachings wouldn't do this. They cant claim "God commanded" them or anything. They are either confused, psychopaths, both..or worse. People who wanted to make sure history recorded them as Christians . for SOME reason.

>>509942980
Most christians are dark skinned.

>>509942992
>What do you think this proves?
look at the timeline.
>The zealous retards eventually took over and burned all of our historical knowledge, destroyed our technology, and plunged us into a millennium of darkness.
thread is going to 404 soon but i adjure you to skim this
https://strangenotions.com/gods-philosophers/
your head is full of /r/atheism garbage rather than historical facts

>>509943039
>more worthless neurotic, histrionic pilpul snark from the christian clown, sad

>>509943281
>neurotic, histrionic
you have absolutely zero self-awareness.

>>509933675
based sauerkraut

>>509943166
Most "Christians" are yes.

>>509942442
The Hypatia feud was absolutely precipitated before Pulcheria's regency. What you were trying to argue is he would be okay with ceding his power to the envoy who sided with Hypatia if it was a man who sent said envoy, which is retarded.

>>509943039
The excerpt you cite lacks an antecedent. I'm not sure to whom it refers.
> suicide was the only way to prevent her violation from being seen as morally ambiguous.
It certainly wasn't the only way, but it was the most absolute, yes. There weren't surveillance cameras set up back then that could be used to establish guilt. Even now, people doubt the testimony of women who claim to be raped. Committing suicide is pretty powerful evidence she was abused. It was so powerful that people didn't even request evidence before burning down the palaces and killing the noblemen.

>in Facta et Dicta Memorabilia (6.1.1), he lists women who killed themselves after rape as exemplars of pudicitia (chastity), treating their suicides as noble acts.
See the post you're replying to.

Their suicides were proof of nobility, not the crowning achievement of one who is noble.

If I deadlift 2,000 pounds, it is proof I am strong. Deadlifting the weight is not what makes me strong. I could be capable of lifting 2,000 pounds without ever actually lifting it.

>more worthless effeminate greentext snark from the atheist swede, sad
He is correct. It isn't logically necessary that all female scientists were killed for the conclusion to be drawn that Christians at the time were savages who hated women and science. As evidence of this, see what was written by contemporaries about the mob.

>>509943242
You are spamming your garbage christian apologetic links to make the thread archive faster rather. Because you are a cluster b who always wants the last word.

ive told feminists that their actual enemy are the abrahamic religions but these fagettes dont care. they dont understand

>>509943111
That's kind of what I was getting at. The irony of christians basically crucifying a good women in the name of Jesus. Humans especially brown ones can be so fucking stupid....

>>509943369
>you have absolutely zero self-awareness.
But enough about you now.

>>509942737
>Too much suspension of disbelief is required to deny the anti-intellectual and misogynist current present in Christianities both historical and modern.
Some argue that augustine single handedly caused the dark ages - 1000 years of only negative contributions to culture and civilization.

>>509943482
He is an exemplar of what Veggie Tales does to the developing homeschooled fundie Christian child's brain.

>>509943605
I think you can blame it on the original grifter Constantine, although he was definitely just power hungry and seized the opportunity to turn the new religion into a means of control.

>>509943417
Most Christians are yes.

>>509942096
Do you kiss your mother with the same mouth suck your bf cock with? Just rub that semen in your skin while your at it

>>509943482
>christian apologetic links
it's an atheist blogger, a historian of science
>>509943606
i grew up listening to slayer and went to public school though

>>509943711
>this is what occupies the mind of these deus vult larpers

>>509943711
>implying you wouldn't
Christkeks are total prudes.

>>509943835
>it's an atheist blogger, a historian of science
Kek this is like when MIGApedes fawn over the based black guy.
>I FOUND SOMEONE FROM THEIR SIDE WHO AGREES WITH ME!! WOO!!!

>>509922279 (OP)
Cool

>>509942604
is that supposed to be an own?
where do words come from, anon?
dictionaries?
who makes them?
i do.
maybe if you quit trusting the experts for 5 seconds you would also be capable of such things.

>>509943916
most atheists agree with me, it's you nu-atheists who still push the long long dead conflict thesis

>>509943835
>it's an atheist blogger, a historian of science
Yes of course I know you play that bullshit game a lot of time.
>oh but its from this shitlib and/or leftie atheist source I would otherwise but it confirms my bias this time so
Many Secular/Atheist Liberals/Leftists share your axiology, clown. They are an expansion pack of you that just got rid of the metaphysics.

>>509942691
>it was only SOME pagans not ALL pagans
kek

>>509943419
you can't disprove a retard?
the argument was that she was killed inpart because she was a woman.
which the argument satisfies without reproach.

>>509943962
No most atheists do not agree with you. Just like a lot of us see Einstein and some of his theories for the quasi anti-scientific crypto-abrahamic nonsense it is.

>>509943711
>Do you kiss your mother with the same mouth suck your bf cock with? Just rub that semen in your skin while your at it

Are you a sickly looking neckbeard dressed in black robes? Christians wiped 99.7% of the antique culture of rome and hellas on behalf of the jews.

>>509944038
>whoa look at these 10 events within the timeframe of 2 milennia i'm gonna use to make a narrative
let's all agree to move to the same next antichristian thread, i want to continue to manhandle the same retards present here

>>509944101
jews hate women
jews want you to hate women
im just not gonna

>>509944038
To be fair to Christians, there would have been other military conflicts and genocides in these areas if not for Christianity.

Christianity can't be blamed for violence. But we can blame it for irrationality, which its adherents actively promote.

>>509944182
And you will continue to downplay and deflect I am certain.