So... can /pol/ actually explain to me how pedophilia is "wrong" without resorting to logical fallacies or debunked feminist talking points?

>>510074635 (OP)
Would you - yourself - receive some benefiet from an adult male penetrating your boipuss as a teenager/preteen? In what way? Or has it already happened and now you're trying to rationlize.

>>510075137
>Would you - yourself - receive some benefiet from an adult male penetrating your boipuss as a teenager/preteen?
Yes. If he was a virtuous man, him having a sexual relation with me would have greatly contributed to my development. The sexual aspect of the relationship would make the relationship far more impactful and meaningful, thus increasing the pedagogical value of the relationship. Also, gay sex is a fun human activity that is good in its own right.

>>510074635 (OP)
The brain fully matures at 25 years average
But by 18,19,20, etc, the human is relatively smart enough to suffer from their own mistakes.
The main idea is to prevent both sexual manipulation by parties in a higher position and thus, not cause mental scarring and prevent any unforeseen consequences (teenage pregnancies, STDs)

>>510075510
I don't know how old you are, but "virtuous man" is a huge strech. We all will eventually die - and some people get desperate and take advantage of those that feel invulnerable. Nothing against gay sex, but everything against sex before 17. I would have loved to been raped by my hot teacher as a young dude. Can't speak to those that have actually went through that, however sexuality shouldn't be your focus at such a young age. period.

>>510074635 (OP)
My dad molested me and I still love him lots. I am his cute secretary now!

>>510075944
HR will have a field day with that one

>>510074635 (OP)
Don't touch kids. Touching kids is wrong.

>>510075510
I can't stop laughing at this post.
>>510074635 (OP)
Young males should be allowed to strive for the betterment of themselves and society without thinking of sex at such an early age. The laser like focus and clarity of youth is a huge benefit to the developing mind. Franky it will solve itself eventually. Once those boys subjected to such abuse realise they could have had innocence. You don't know how to appreciate something until it's gone. Which brings us to my sorrowful tale, of why you are all going to die. I don't want any of my children near you. So I will incinerate the world, with both of us on it.

>>510074635 (OP)
What do you even like about being attracted to children

>>510075944
Latino moment

You make this thread quite regularly. What are you hoping to accomplish?

The Gospel says that pedos deserve death and the Torah says that sodomites deserve death.

Raping children is not a political argument. You do not deserve to live. I do not want to live in a world where people like you feel like they can speak like this.

I hope someone ends you like Gary Plauché if you do not do it yourself.

>>510077012
You're not that much better.

Oh man it's this thread again.
Its about power. An older person has power over a younger inexperienced person. They can and will manipulate them into things. I dont care about some steel man horseshit you want to fantasize about. There's honestly an argument to raise the age of consent more than lower it. Even 16-20 year olds are stupid and are manipulated for sex.
But honestly, as someone that was sexualized at a young age, it's stealing innocence from people. You're sexualising their development and risking fucking up their pair bonding and general development. I don't think I can ever have a normal sexual relationship with anyone because of my childhood. Ive learned to live with that and work around it, but it's not fair to do that to people. Fuck pedos. You should all burn in hell if you act on that shit. All the respect to those that live without acting upon it though.

>>510077306
Why do we put 12 year olds in prison if they can't be responsible for their choices?

>>510077373
Its not about absolving them of responsibility, it's about understanding power dynamics. Its why accomplices are given lighter sentences if they were manipulated/coerced into commiting crimes. Children and teens are much more susceptible to manipulation and especially towards validation from older people. It's why we have a blanket ban and enforce an age of consent, i don't care about outliers.

>>510077201
The oft-quoted "millstone" verse in the Bible is much deeper than simply suggesting pedophiles deserve death. In the surrounding context, Christ is telling us that we need to become more like children (since children are innocent with respect to our sinful world). He then says that those whoever tempts such children to sin is deserving of death. The children need not be literal children, but instead those who become like children. And the sin need not be sex, but any sort of sin. While this verse does include people who are having sex with literal children, you potentially set yourself up for failure if you do not understand its full context.

Also, please note that you do not have to follow the Torah.

>>510077251
I do not claim superiority, for I know that I am a sinner.
>Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.
>Give, and it will be given to you: Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will men give unto you. For with the measure you use, it will be measured unto you.

>>510074635 (OP)
Because there’s a good chance it destroys the kids life

That’s why I want nothing to do with it

>>510074635 (OP)
its gay

>>510077633
>Also, please note that you do not have to follow the Torah.
Actually, according to Matthew chapter 5, you do.

>>510077781
forgiveness isn't and shouldn't be that simple in reality - proceed to dwell in your confusion.

>>510074635 (OP)

It's not that bad, but we are not ready to have that conversation yet. It is also not a very relevant subject compared to the other many actual problems western society is facing so it's pointless debating.

>>510075137
>>510074635 (OP)
It all literally boils down to post wall roasties seething about men enjoying something, and despite being pedophiles themselves, a little boy could never get an erection to fuck them and even if they could the penis doesn't grow long enough to be pleasurable until basically adulthood so they seethe even harder that men can enjoy an activity they can't.

What really then seethe this is you marrying a girl that hasn't been indoctrinated with their jewish mind poison cult bullshit

>>510078570

>a little boy could never get an erection

Completely false. Little boys can definitely get erections and it's not difficult. I don't blame you for being ignorant on the subject since it's by far the most censored topic in the entire world, but just letting you know.

>>510077998
In Matthew 5, Christ states he is there to fulfill the law. He then points out that it is nearly impossible for any of us to do the same. Honestly though, it doesn't matter. The OT law was made by Yaldabaoth, who is holding us prisoner here. Through Christ is how we leave this sinful realm.

>>510078204
Forgiveness is not a blessing for the forgiven, but for the one forgiving. Understand that the world corrupts us all and forgive others when they fall victim to its influences. Otherwise, when you inevitably do the same, how can you too expect forgiveness?

>>510074635 (OP)
Its neither right or wrong, because its not real. Its a made up feminist concept. I do not recognize feminist concepts.

>>510074635 (OP)
People like you have ruined shota for me. Back then it was just like cartoon porn like hentai or loli. I think it was most people's attitude towards it. I would never find comments like yours associated with the genre in any site or forum I was in. Everyone understood it was fictional and for fun, that no one would actually confuse it with reality.
Years later (around 2020) I revisit the genre and I see a lot of comments like yours. You're the other side of the same coin, the coin being people who are unable to see fiction for what it is, with the opposite side wanting to ban shotacon because it harms children (somehow).
There's nothing I can do about it, the problem is systemic and a result of smartphones being invented and giving dumb people easy access to the internet. I'm just lamenting the fact.

>>510075510
>If he was a virtuous man
Mudslime beliefs are not fit to coexist in a just society.
The Koran is just comprised of shitpaper.

>>510078801
He meant a sexual arousal erection not a physical stimulae response.

>>510077306
>An older person has power over a younger inexperienced person
Doesn't imply the power will be misused.

>They can and will manipulate them into things
This is just misanthropy.

>as someone that was sexualized at a young age, it's stealing innocence from people
Okay, roastie.

>>510078570
Even fetuses get erections and masturbate in utero.

>>510078854
"do the same." What if I don't and never will?.Continue to search for those that forgive you in your actions other than God for once.

>>510074635 (OP)
consent?

>>510077609
Women have the power, men need to beat them out of the ballot boxes and back into kitchens. That's the power dynamic. Otherwise...

You will never be a young woman again! Your beauty fades like the setting sun as each year passes by. Men's eyes once wandered eagerly over your youthful curves; now they pass over wrinkled skin with barely a glance.

The smoothness of your skin dulls into coarse texture that lotions can't hide. Gravity drags down once perky breasts toward the floor while sagging stomach bloats outwards, disproportional to your diminishing frame.

Younger women stride past confidently, their tight bodies straining against clothes that barely contain them, a cruel reminder of vitality stolen away year by year from you through time's relentless march. They are admired openly, lusted after shamelessly. You were once worshiped thus but those days recede into distant memory now.

You may dye gray hairs and lift fallen flesh surgically restored for another day or two longer at the masquerade game of eternal youth. But the facade crumbles soon enough come tomorrow mornings when you confront ravaged skin again in your mirror. The lies only delay acceptance that beauty is fleeting like morning dew before searing noon.

Men still see what stares back: a haggard, sexless husk drained dry by time's relentless tide pouring over you like tidal wave sucking away youth forever lost beneath its crashing foam of years gone by and never returned.

>>510074635 (OP)
sexual intercourse with prepubrscents serves no function and is indicative of malfunctioning sexual attraction by not respoding to sexual signifiers. thus, as all faulty products those engaging in intercourse with prepubescents should be removed from the product pool as defective products.

>>510079739
>What if I don't and never will?
You already have stumbled, and you are fully aware of this. Even if you choose to deny it. Regardless, I do not judge you.

Just stand right there.
I am going to tell you everything you need to know, OP.

>>510080561
What is the motivation behind cringeposts like this? Does it actually make people feel accomplished when they post lame memes about killing pedos on the internet?

>>510080267
Sure I have.and will again, but not in any way related to child endagerment which was the point of this whole thread. Should I apologize for judging you by your first post being a fucking loli?

I think the moralists are afraid to discover that
a) kids like sex, and
b) sex doesn't harm kids, stigma and violence do.

>>510080561
What are you going to do with that little thumbnail hatchet of yours, hmmm?

>>510074635 (OP)
It emotionally & psychologically ruins a child who's brain has not yet developed.
/Thread

>>510074635 (OP)
i was abused by teacher who was Jewish:(

>>510078801
If they have Viagra or get exposed to testosterone, sure

>>510079303
>Doesn't imply the power will be misused.
This is what i meant by steel man bullshit. I don't care about your best case scenario. For every best case scenario there's a hundred kids that were fucked up, so we set boundaries. When sex is involved, people make irrational decisions. So horny adults will ruin children because their mind justifies their actions.
>>510080034
Most pedos are men. Men can hold power over other men and boys, so cool.

>>510077306
>power
Delusional.

Age doesn't grant you power. If anything the experience would allow you to know yo to deal with female manipulation so it levels the paying field therefore there should be an age gap with the can being literally decades older
Kys roastie

>>510079303
>fetuses
I've only heard of this through accidental testosterone contamination like a baby that was eposed to testosterone creme

>>510081112
That is antisexual pseudoscience which is simply not true.

James Cantor, PhD:
>The research is much more consistent with the conclusion that harm is caused instead by coercion, manipulation, secrecy, and by courting kids who already have problems, not the sexual interactions per se.
Michael Bailey, PhD:
>Indeed, the best scientific evidence suggests that the most typical experiences considered childhood sexual abuse may not be as harmful as most people think. Specifically, sexual activity that children engage in voluntarily (albeit illegally) with adults is nearly uncorrelated with undesirable outcomes
Jordan Peterson, PhD:
>Did you know that about 20 years ago the American Psychological Association published a paper showing that most people who were sexually abused as children recovered with very little psychological damage? This is an unsayable truth.
Richard Green, PhD:
>Ultimately, scientists, if no one else, must be objective in their approach to this emotional issue. Judgmental terminology regarding intergenerational sexuality is more dramatic than that in the earlier psychiatric literature on homosexuality. There, patients were labeled perverts and psychopaths. Here, the experience is always abuse, the children are invariably victims, the adults are perpetrators, and those who later report childhood sexual experiences are, without apology to victims of the Nazi Holocaust, survivors.
Bruce Rind, PhD:
>Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported.

>>510081324
A teacher who was Jewish? Was his name Rabbi Yeshua? Many people have been abused by him, sadly.

>>510081505
Children have sex hormones.

>>510081653
No it was a female.

>>510081533
>For every best case scenario there's a hundred kids that were fucked up
This isn't true. The majority of sexual relations between adults and children are considered consensual by the younger participant. Sex is not some profound activity which people need a PhD to participate in, every animal on the planet does it.

>>510081629
Fetuses are exposed to extremely high levels of sex hormones during gestation which is what results in sexual dimorphism.

>>510079193
>>510081505

You're both quite simply wrong and are talking about of your asses. I've been jerking off since I was around 4 years old and can guarantee you sexual erections were a thing. Granted, I am a very fringe case, but there were no external chemicals involved.

>>510080254

This includes everyone engaging in intercourse that does not directly produce offspring. Casual sex? Malfunction. Oral sex? Malfunction. Anal sex? Malfunction. Kinks and fetishes? Malfunction. Masturbation? Malfunction. Not to even mention homosex.

>>510082525
You were probably experimented in by stasi.
Were you in east or West Germany
What year were you born

>>510081629
Ill send a pic of my cock if it'll make you feel better mate. Im a man.
>>510081807
>The majority of sexual relations between adults and children are considered consensual by the younger participant.
Yeah whatever you say faggot. You were raped as a kid and don't know how to deal with it so you justify raping kids. Stop trying to justify what happened. It's fine if you wanna fuck men because of it, but don't justify raping more kids and continuing the cycle.

>>510074635 (OP)
A child is physically and mentally unable to conceive the consequence of their actions.
Only the adult mind is capable of accepting long-term consequence.
It's the same reason a child can not become a debt slave.
The adult mind is present after puberty.
Puberty is what physically changes the child mind into an adult mind.
Children are not able to be informed of what it means to be an adult so they can not give informed consent.

>>510083033
Okay, and what relevance does this have to sexual activity?

>>510083204
you don't think you require informed consent for sexual activity?

>>510083396
Can you explain why you do, and why children are incapable of giving this "informed consent"?

>>510083450
If you do not have informed consent of an adult for sexual activity it is rape.
Even if you have consent without informing the adult that say you have HIV in most cases that is considered a legal liability and rape.
You can tell a child you have herpes but what does that mean to a child?
Are you going to teach them what effect an STD can have on the rest of their life?
Is a child capable of understanding the scope of what a sexual encounter can have on the remainder of their life?

OP is the average poltard contrarian.
you wish pedo was legal because the only people who don't think you're a fucking loser are kids. kys OP.

>>510083634
so as long as you're not diseased it's fine? that's kind of a wild take tbqh

>>510083634
>Is a child capable of understanding the scope of what a sexual encounter can have on the remainder of their life?
What effects do you believe a sexual encounter will have on the rest of the life of a child?

>>510074635 (OP)
Goddamn faggot pederasts keeping a cunnyman down.
I blame you people for kikes stamping down on normal human sexuality.

>>510074635 (OP)
Wellwellwell

>>510083823
is that was those examples implied to you?
>>510083836
I listed a few. Does sexual activity have no effect on your adult mind?

>>510084251
You just brought up sexually transmitted diseases. An adult can spread a disease to a child by hugging them as well. Does this mean it's wrong for adults to hug children?

>>510084348
that was an example that you latched onto.
what disease is transferred via hugs? but yes hugging children without their informed consent of the hug is assault.
does sexual activity have no effect on your adult mind and adult physical body?

>>510084432
>what disease is transferred via hugs
There are many diseases that can be spread through non-sexual human contact, such as pneumonic plague.

>>510082766

Stop your schizo ramblings, kids can easily be sexual, it's not rocket science. Sex is a very simple and instinctual act. Even fetuses have been observed to masturbate in the womb.

>>510084642
people who spread pneumonic plague are often isolated.
when they do it intentionally they are held liable.
>>510084696
kids can burn themselves, jump off buildings, and drive cars too.
I bet a fetus could drive a car.

>>510084251
most of them did, but I see the one other example now
>>510084432
>but yes hugging children without their informed consent of the hug is assault.
wait, but if children can't give informed consent (whatever that may be) then all hugs are assault. I agree that hugs without consent are assault but that's apparently very different from informed consent
>does sexual activity have no effect on your adult mind and adult physical body
not really, no. I mean it's fun but I doubt that's where you're going with that line of argument

>>510084863
does a hug have equally complex as sexual activity?
does the result of a hug have the same life altering results as sexual activity?
the only result of sexual activity on your mind and physical body is fun?

>>510074635 (OP)
People here are too stupid to understand it, but all the restrictions on sexual behaviour we see in the west are coming from the fucking christcuck religion, ONLY. Before in the great Roman and Greek times, you could fuck whatever, same sex, being minor attracted, young boys, doing drugs all you wanted, orgies, group sex, all kinds of exotic sex that was normal then, but ILLEGAL today, and can put you in fucking jail, for years! etc. Can people now start to understand WHY we fucking hate the christcucks so much and their desert morality that does not fit us Aryans? If you want to understand how christcuckery was made to take us over and forces this shit on us, then watch Adam Green videos and LEARN something! Slava Ukraini! Slava Wotan!

>>510085056
>does the result of a hug have the same life altering results as sexual activity?
What life altering results does sexual activity have?

>>510083634

Is a child capable of understanding the scope of ANYTHING on the remainder of their life? Parents already groom their children in other 99 ways. Children can't have 'informed consent' about the religion, morals, values, political leanings, work ethics, violence, pessimism, optimism, bigotry, philosophy, punishment, lies, truths, etc etc that their parents teach them in life. Even choosing a sport for your kid to try is already a type of grooming.
Also, boys (don't know about girls) are more likely to willingly engage in sexual activity on their own after trying it out than any other random extracurricular activity their parents might try to force on them.

At some point you all are gonna have to accept the fact that the reason you are against this topic is simply because you were groomed from an early age to instantly fight and oppose the subject, not because you actually have any objective argument against it, but again, I don;t blame the ignorance on this topic since it is by far a more censored topic than things like nazism or satanism or whatever.

>>510085073
It's forbidden as illogical in Plato's Laws.
>degeneracy has existed since forever.
imagine that, you're not special.

>>510074635 (OP)
Extreme pedophilia does physical damage to underdeveloped reproductive organs, and pregnancies at that age are extremely dangerous.

For 13-14, some girls will be physically ready for sex and childbirth, but at this point the issue is that any man they pair with will die long before they do unless there is a small age gap. A 40 year old man with a 15 year old girl will be 25 years older than her, meaning that he will be a geezer unable to support her while she's still young enough that she should be in a good marriage. The purpose of all sexual relations is the benefit of the children.

Women loose value to all men except their partner once they have children, as do men (single fathers can't get good dates). This is why monogamy is essential, and long-term monogamy requires a smaller age-gap (no more than 10 years).

Faggotry of any sort is evil, and I hope I don't have to explain such an obvious truth, although >>510075510 indicates that OP may be a homosexual deserving of stoning.

I see nothing wrong with marriage followed by copious amounts of sex between two young teenagers whose bodies are developed enough for it to not cause any damage.

>>510074635 (OP)
>So... can /pol/ actually explain to me how pedophilia is "wrong

No but i can shove a broken beer bottle of your ass kike.

>>510078801
Can confirm, as a little boy I did get erections at like 7 sometimes. I didn't have any sex drive, so I didn't understand what they were, but I remember them vividly.

>>510085147
are you saying that sexual activity has no effect on your mind of physical body?
>>510085166
is rape of equivalent effect as a soccer game?
can you change you mind about consent to sexual activity years later like you can with religion, morals, values, etc?

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lets denounce the talmud and torah together!
me first!

I denounce the talmud and the torah, israel is a fake state, its all palestinian land.

now your turn!
i am giving you two (2) posts to drop the meme flag and denounce the talmud.

>>510084820

Actually yes, kids could easily drive cars. My dad used to sit me on his lap and put me on the wheel when I was 5 and actually let me steer it through traffic (he controlled brakes and gas pedal since I couldn't reach them). I had already a good sense of direction of where to go and staying within the lane was extremely easy. Kids are incredible at learning quick and adapting, same goes for sex. You wouldn't believe how slutty and skilled some single digit age boys can be, all with a smile on their face. None of these things took the 'innocence' away from me either. I was still a child with normal child interests. I just happened to also masturbate when bored at home. Boo hoo.

>>510085171
24 years of age on average has the most positive pregnancy and birth outcomes.

>>510085457
if you made a mistake while driving could you be held responsible?
lets say you, as a child, used the car to kill people because you thought it was fun, should you be in prison for the rest of your life?

>>510080254
>prepubrscents
This is why my argument is that all sex within marriage should be encouraged, and that the age of marriage should depend on puberty, such that as soon as puberty starts, boys and girls marry eachother and start having hot teenage sex in permanent monogamous relationships. As adults, they can fondly reminisce with one another about how hot they were as teenagers feasting upon the fire of eachother's youth.

>>510085167
>It's forbidden as illogical in Plato's Laws.
Show me and Plato is just ONE dude and not the very sex positive Greek and Roman culture!!

>>510085603
that's hot, anon

>>510085603
what happens when the 14 year old female dies in childbirth?

>>510081653
>A teacher who was Jewish? Was his name Rabbi Yeshua? Many people have been abused by him, sadly.
And thus you reveal yourself to be an enemy of Christ, probably who bought into the LARPagan nonsense.
Death to the enemies of the Lord. The fact you are a Pedo and a faggot no longer matters to the fact you must either convert and repent, or die.

>>510085394

Rape is violently forcing yourself on someone against their consent. Kids have multiple clear ways of showing consent or lack thereof from as early as they can say their first words, same with animals. Your legal definition of consent is completely irrelevant to me, since the law doesn't distinguish between a 17 year, 364 days old and 2 year old, they are both 'children' who are 'unable to legally consent' (whatever the fuck that means).

And yeah, sure, you can change your mind about anything, at any age, and you will, it's part of life and evolving. You don't have the same outlook on life at 40 that you did at 30, and if you do, you're a moron. There's a lot of dumb females out there near their 40's who regret having sex with mid looking men while they were drunk after they sober up. Is that rape too?

>>510085557

No, and that's why adults guide kids. In the same way, adults can guide kids responsibly or irresponsibly, and sex is one of those things. There are abusive parents who rape their kids irresponsibly, and then there's the weird cases of incestuous, mostly loving families that actually had a rather positive relationship with sex.

>>510084696
>Even fetuses have been observed to masturbate in the womb.
Fetuses also killed jews during the holocaust. True story. That’s why jewish women have to abort and murder babies “for their religion”; they could be HOLOCAUSTED if they don’t!

>>510085642
>The "Laws" recommends that homosexuality, like adultery, fornication, and the use of prostitutes, not be engaged in; if discovered, it should be punished by deprivation of civil rights, a severe penalty.
what do you want me to "show" you?
go read it.
philosophy is an ever expanding and growing field.
>>510085795
can you put a child into debt slavery if they consent?
can they be informed as to what debt slavery means?
If both adults are inebriated or not informed that the other is inebriated then it is my opinion that it is not rape because they allowed themselves to be in that situation.
>>510085983
incest has proven to cause harm to the human form, mentally and physically.
thus it is not a logical activity and by definition bad.

>>510085775
They won’t, we don’t live in Africa without access to medical care.

>>510086276

kek you're alright anon

Also, a huge part of the movement against teen sexuality comes unironically from feminism, which was mostly spearheaded by jewish women, so yeah, tangentially related even as a joke.

>>510086410
Yes I know. The gayge of consent in america has been a bane on life for almost a century now.

>>510085795
Child diddlers get the bullet

>>510082841
you can't debate for shit, stop embarrassing yourself faggot. you literally appealed to power dynamics which is what the feminist gay queer faggot side do all the time.

>>510086397
>Teenage pregnancy has a high maternal mortality rate of 7.02 per 1000
it's a leading cause of teenage female death in Africa and here.

>>510086366

You don't even need to convince a child, adults already willingly go into debt slavery at every age bracket until they die, whether it's done through college debt, interest rates, credit cards, or even gambling in old people. So yes, you can put anyone into any kind of slavery if they're stupid enough to consent, it's what Israel has done to the US for almost a century. Women willingly subordinate themselves into patriarchal slavery in islam, while western secular women and christian males willingly subordinate themselves to mass voting in favour of nigger immigration that ends up beating and raping them.

Humans are fucking stupid regardless of age. Even if you inform them, they are still more likely to just carry on keeping the mentality they were raised with until they die, sometimes regardless of how many times that mentality fucks them over.

Also, your second point is just pure vapid pseudointellectual bullshit. The only 3 logical activities a human can have biologically speaking are securing food, sleep and having sex. Incest also doesn't cause any sort of mental or physical harm, no fucking idea where you got that from. It only causes physical deformations through incestuous pregnancy (which if anything makes gay incest even healthier and more valid), and the only mental harm is caused by society victimshaming the person and gaslighting them into feeling violated regardless of how much they enjoyed it.

>>510074635 (OP)
Who would want their son or daughter preyed upon by molesters is beyond me

>>510074635 (OP)
Would you be happy with a 40 year old man grooming your 8 year old son or daughter?
Because that is what you are asking for

>>510087286

I certainly wouldn't. But I'm also not gonna pretend that my 15 year old son can't 'consent' to sex or whatever feminists made you believe consent is. It's a complex subject that is never truly discussed logically in society because westerners are ironically so groomed against it by jealous roasties that the mere mention is enough to put you on a cross.

>>510088146
It's not that complicated
I want my children's innocence to last till adulthood
I would be disappointed but not ashamed if they had sex woth someone in their close age range of a year or two as teens

But not to a 40 year old failure of a man or woman who uses life experience and social power to rape them

Sorry but you are wrong.

>>510086366
GIVE ME THE QUOTE AND THE SOURCE YOU FUCKING MORON!

>>510086576
>india
We're gonna need more bullets

>>510088366

Stop infantilizing teenagers, seriously, it's insincere and trite. You keep throwing the word innocence around without knowing what the fuck it means. Do you even remember what it's like to be a teenager? Or were you actually that retarded and autistic as a teenager that you're projecting your clueless past self onto others? Teenagers are fucking vicious, especially nowadays. There are some 13 yo's out there who would easily run circles around your dorky goofy 'adult' ass. There isn't such a thing as a defenseless teen getting manipulated into being 'raped'. Any teenager dating an adult is doing it because they like the experience, they find the age gap or daddy phenotype hot, they dislike teens their own age because of how obnoxious they are or they simply love having a sugar daddy. They know very well what they're doing, I've seen LOTS of them, and they are cheeky and arrogant and confident about how they have a superior daddy boyfriend that actually brings something to the table.

I've been wanting to have sex since I was 9 years old or so. By the time I was 14 I felt absolutely, fully capable of complete adult rationality and independent thought, but I could have consented to sex with a pretty mature understanding as early as 11.

>>510088425
I quoted Plato there.
That proves that not all "pagans" supported your ideas.
>>510087002
homosex perpetuates a norm of non-reproduction.
normalizing sexual behavior outside conception results in a non-reproductive society norm.
normalizing a non-reproductive society results in reduced population.
reduced population results in the destruction of civilization, as seen in the "dark ages".

>>510074635 (OP)
It's wrong for the same reason fucking your dog is wrong, they can't consent. Kill all pedos.

>>510089890
No you were molested into believing all that.
Anyone who thinks they were sex capable was molested just like gays

>>510088146
we have a border crisis so until we can stop being invaded by street shitters and butt hand wipers will will keep the age of consent high. Nobody wants their 18 year old daughter getting impregnated by them.

>>510090128
Pajeets dont care about the aoc
Their penis is needful and your boi/pussy will do the needful, saar

>>510074635 (OP)
pedophilia destroys the fabric of society in a similar way homosexuality does. that being said, most of what is considered pedophilia is just hebephilia slandered as it due to jewish feminist propaganda.

>>510089905

Good, non-reproductive societies are all first world countries with the highest quality of living. The only 'societies' (they can't even be called that) with high reproduction rates are all invariably niggers and diaperheads, who look very much like they are still stuck in the 'dark ages' as you put it. Reduced population results in higher quality of living for each individual since there's less competition for resources and more living space available.
The destruction of the west wasn't caused by low birth rates, it was caused by women's rights and feminism and I'm not even joking. Every single one of your arguments is complete pseudointellectual insincere midwit reddit mod takes.

>>510089905
>I quoted Plato there.
>That proves that not all "pagans" supported your idea
Sure thing, YOU FUCKING LIAR AND FAKE PAGAN!!! THEY LOVED DRUG AND ANAL SEX!!!

>>510090128

I fully agree with this point, but then again poos, niggers and mudslimes don't give a fuck about muh age of consent and will simply grope that pussy as much as they want cause whitey will only give him a little slap on the wrist while the victim white women make tiktoks complaining about 'men' being the problem.

>>510090047

Nah, I genuinely was a kinky boy on my own accord and regret having been too shy to act out on my desires for believing this myth that all pedos were dangerous serial killers. It would have boosted my self-esteem during school a whole lot.

>>510090722
Oh yeah sure me too anon e_e
Too bad online dating wasnt big back then. Imagine being a kid now. Parents give you a phone at 4, download grindr at 9 and get your bussy stretched by experienced older men.

>>510090392
Wat je zegt ben jezelf, met je kop door de helft
the dark ages are a direct result of depopulation.
maintenance of society requires multiple people.
copper by itself is useless but when made into pipes and wires contributes to a better quality of life.
>>510090553
Book 1 a. Virtue
>This leads to an inquiry into what customs Sparta and Crete have for developing moderation. Megillus expresses uncertainty, but suggests it likely has to do with gymnastics and common meals. The conversation becomes contentious as the Athenian says that these practices are the cause of the Dorian’s reputation for pederasty, homosexuality, and the vicious pursuit of pleasure.
Athens did not like it.
Sparta and Crete were ashamed of it.

>>510090553
>>510090392
>In the Republic, the guardians will consider each (appropriately aged) person of the opposite sex to be their spouse. Mating will be arranged by using a lottery. However, the lottery is rigged such that a select few will actually be controlling the sexual relationships so as to avoid incest, control the population, and implement eugenics (Republic 5.459d-460c).

>>510091190
>>510091282


>the dark ages are a direct result of depopulation.

Says literally WHO? This is a completely baseless claim that you pulled out of your ass.
The only actual historical european dark ages were caused by massive torture and persecution from religious entities.

I don't know why you keep quoting medniggers who lived 2000 years ago in a completely different world with a completely different social, religious, political and technological context than today. Their writing is completely irrelevant to our modern issues.

>maintenance of society requires multiple people

No it doesn't, even a handful of 30 sub-50IQ niggers in North Sentinel Island are capable of sustaining nigger society for thousands of years with severe inbreeding to boot.
Not to mention we live in the age of technology and AI, humans are becoming literally obsolete and most resource production is fully automated by machines.
The only ones who require multiple people are big corpojews who despite having liquid assets valued in billions of dollars still want to make even more profit by having a bunch of young adults kill each other over a 11$/hr job at McDonalds due to overpopulation.

>>510075581
>The brain fully matures at 25 years average
trust the science
>>510077306
>Its about power. An older person has power over a younger inexperienced person.
Also, you can't be racist against white people, because power.
>>510080561
>Joe Biden fondled preteen girls on live television?
>This is not the real boogaloo.
>>510085421
I thought you have to "renounce" the talmud now, not "denounce" since the talmud allows lying to goyim or something...
It's hard to keep up with all these pol-isms because you guys flip flop so frequently
>>510086720
>argue one thing
>present chart that says the opposite
lol, nice
>>510088066
>Would you be happy with a 40 year old man grooming your 8 year old son or daughter?
>Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
lol, picrel

>>510092498
24 is in the lower group.
want me to post the prevalence of teenage pregnancy during those years or are you capable of looking that up yourself?

>>510091190
>>510091282
Again, another translation and your fake quote is NOWHERE to be found, FAKE PAGAN!!

>>510092950
>>510092950
Athenian
And are not these the conditions in which we are of the character described,—anger, lust, insolence, ignorance, covetousness, and extravagance; and these also,—wealth, beauty, strength, and everything which intoxicates a man with pleasure and turns his head? And for the purpose, first, of providing a cheap and comparatively harmless test of these conditions, and, secondly, of affording practice in them, what more suitable pleasure can we mention than wine, [649e] with its playful testing—provided that it is employed at all carefully? For consider: in the case of a man whose disposition is morose and savage (whence spring numberless iniquities), is it not more dangerous to test him by entering into money transactions with him, at one's own personal risk, than by associating with him with the help of Dionysus and his festive insight? [650a] And when a man is a slave to the pleasures of sex, is it not a more dangerous test to entrust to him one's own daughters and sons and wife, and thus imperil one's own nearest and dearest, in order to discover the disposition of his soul? In fact, one might quote innumerable instances in a vain endeavor to show the full superiority of this playful method of inspection which is without either serious consequence or costly damage. Indeed, so far as that is concerned, neither the Cretans, [650b] I imagine, nor any other people would dispute the fact that herein we have a fair test of man by man, and that for cheapness, security and speed it is superior to all other tests.

>>510094307
You have had ZERO documentation fake pagan. Give me translator, publisher, date and page, plus screenshot if you can. Just some random trust me bro homophobic shit will not do!

>>510074635 (OP)
Age of consent should be dictated by the parents, girl's are better married off young for maximum offspring potential.

>>510095100
I have said already, that not cowardice was the cause of the ruin of the Dorian kings and of their whole design, nor ignorance of military matters, either on the part of the rulers or of their subjects; but their misfortunes were due to their general degeneracy, and especially to their ignorance of the most important human affairs. That was then, and is still, and always will be the case, as I will endeavour, if you will allow me, to make out and demonstrate as well as I am able to you who are my friends, in the course of the argument.

>>510075510
>If he was a virtuous man, him having a sexual relation with me would have greatly contributed to my development.

>virtuous man
>faggot

Srsly, you are deluding yourself. Most likely you would have been ended up pozzed by 14.

>>510074635 (OP)
Because it damages children.
Now kill yourself, fag.

>>510074635 (OP)
It isn’t. Anyone who says fucking the tightest holes is wrong is a fat feminist or gay simp.

>>510095100
And if, when they themselves have done begetting children according to the law, a man or woman have connexion with another man or woman who are still begetting children, let the same penalties be inflicted upon them as upon those who are still having a family; and when the time for procreation has passed let the man or woman who refrains in such matters be held in esteem, and let those who do not refrain be held in the contrary of esteem—that is to say, disesteem. Now, if the greater part of mankind behave modestly, the enactments of law may be left to slumber; but, if they are disorderly, the enactments having been passed, let them be carried into execution.

>>510095971
>>510097006
you fucking fake pagan could not give quote and love of rough anal sex and drugs etc are NOT mentioned in the books!! Also Plato is just one dude and we ALL know how sex positive and how much the Greeks and Romans dived hard into the abyss of sexual pleasue, sexual exploration and various hard and soft drugs!!

>>510074635 (OP)
>So... can /pol/ actually explain to me how pedophilia is "wrong" without resorting to logical fallacies or debunked feminist talking points?
A bullet to the head should do

Having sex with a young virgin when you don't marry her and take care of her for the rest of your life, is one of the most evil things you can do.

>>510074635 (OP)
Just ain’t right faggot.

>>510097100
But how can we take precautions against the unnatural loves of either sex, from which innumerable evils have come upon individuals and cities? How shall we devise a remedy and way of escape out of so great a danger? Truly, Cleinias, here is a difficulty. In many ways Crete and Lacedaemon furnish a great help to those who make peculiar laws; but in the matter of love, as we are alone, I must confess that they are quite against us. For if any one following nature should lay down the law which existed before the days of Laius, and denounce these lusts as contrary to nature, adducing the animals as a proof that such unions were monstrous, he might prove his point, but he would be wholly at variance with the custom of your states. Further, they are repugnant to a principle which we say that a legislator should always observe; for we are always enquiring which of our enactments tends to virtue and which not. And suppose we grant that these loves are accounted by law to the honourable, or at least not disgraceful, in what degree will they contribute to virtue? Will such passions implant in the soul of him who is seduced the habit of courage, or in the soul of the seducer the principle of temperance? Who will ever believe this? or rather, who will not blame the effeminacy of him who yields to pleasures and is unable to hold out against them? Will not all men censure as womanly him who imitates the woman? And who would ever think of establishing such a practice by law? certainly no one who had in his mind the image of true law. How can we prove that what I am saying is true? He who would rightly consider these matters must see the nature of friendship and desire, and of these so-called loves, for they are of two kinds, and out of the two arises a third kind, having the same name; and this similarity of name causes all the difficulty and obscurity.

CLEINIAS: How is that?

>>510074635 (OP)
Children do not have agency over their own lives, and therefore are not capable of consent.

>>510097100
THENIAN: The friendship which arises from contraries is horrible and coarse, and has often no tie of communion; but that which arises from likeness is gentle, and has a tie of communion which lasts through life. As to the mixed sort which is made up of them both, there is, first of all, a difficulty in determining what he who is possessed by this third love desires; moreover, he is drawn different ways, and is in doubt between the two principles; the one exhorting him to enjoy the beauty of youth, and the other forbidding him. For the one is a lover of the body, and hungers after beauty, like ripe fruit, and would fain satisfy himself without any regard to the character of the beloved; the other holds the desire of the body to be a secondary matter, and looking rather than loving and with his soul desiring the soul of the other in a becoming manner, regards the satisfaction of the bodily love as wantonness; he reverences and respects temperance and courage and magnanimity and wisdom, and wishes to live chastely with the chaste object of his affection. Now the sort of love which is made up of the other two is that which we have described as the third. Seeing then that there are these three sorts of love, ought the law to prohibit and forbid them all to exist among us? Is it not rather clear that we should wish to have in the state the love which is of virtue and which desires the beloved youth to be the best possible; and the other two, if possible, we should hinder? What do you say, friend Megillus?

ATHENIAN: The principle of piety, the love of honour, and the desire of beauty, not in the body but in the soul. These are, perhaps, romantic aspirations; but they are the noblest of aspirations, if they could only be realised in all states, and, God willing, in the matter of love we may be able to enforce one of two things—either that no one shall venture to touch any person of the freeborn or noble class except his wedded wife, or sow the unconsecrated and bastard seed among harlots, or in barren and unnatural lusts; or at least we may abolish altogether the connection of men with men; and as to women, if any man has to do with any but those who come into his house duly married by sacred rites, whether they be bought or acquired in any other way, and he offends publicly in the face of all mankind, we shall be right in enacting that he be deprived of civic honours and privileges, and be deemed to be, as he truly is, a stranger. Let this law, then, whether it is one, or ought rather to be called two, be laid down respecting love in general, and the intercourse of the sexes which arises out of the desires, whether rightly or wrongly indulged.

>>510074635 (OP)
kill yourself dude

>In criticism they were like children, having an acute vision of things which were near to them, blind to possibilities which were in the distance.
informed consent not possible thousands of years ago.
huh.

>>510097764
>>510098056
You quote some fucking BLOGS you moron and I tried two different books, as I documented and you and your quotes ARE FUCKING FAKE!!

>>510099348
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1750/1750-h/1750-h.htm

>>510099458
>https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1750/1750-h/1750-h.htm
There is NO homosexuality there, fucker. You are FAKE and your docuementation is fake and you are a FAKE PAGAN!!

>>510099747
>they don't translate the words into the word "homosex"
potato cope.

>>510099747
> A man is justified in taking the life of a burglar, of a footpad, of a violator of women or youth; and he may take the life of another with impunity in defence of father, mother, brother, wife, or other relations.

>>510100102
>>510100181
> of a violator of women or youth
That is most likely RAPE you fucking moron. So the best you could find is ONE guy, and you even lied about him?? FUCK YOU FAKE PAGAN!! WE LOVE SEX AND HAVE ALWAYS PERMITTED DRUGS AND ALL KINDS OF SEXUAL EXPERIMENTATION!!

Jealousy

>>510100345
ATHENIAN: There seems to be a difficulty, Stranger, with regard to states, in making words and facts coincide so that there can be no dispute about them. As in the human body, the regimen which does good in one way does harm in another; and we can hardly say that any one course of treatment is adapted to a particular constitution. Now the gymnasia and common meals do a great deal of good, and yet they are a source of evil in civil troubles; as is shown in the case of the Milesian, and Boeotian, and Thurian youth, among whom these institutions seem always to have had a tendency to degrade the ancient and natural custom of love below the level, not only of man, but of the beasts. The charge may be fairly brought against your cities above all others, and is true also of most other states which especially cultivate gymnastics. Whether such matters are to be regarded jestingly or seriously, I think that the pleasure is to be deemed natural which arises out of the intercourse between men and women; but that the intercourse of men with men, or of women with women, is contrary to nature, and that the bold attempt was originally due to unbridled lust. The Cretans are always accused of having invented the story of Ganymede and Zeus because they wanted to justify themselves in the enjoyment of unnatural pleasures by the practice of the god whom they believe to have been their lawgiver. Leaving the story, we may observe that any speculation about laws turns almost entirely on pleasure and pain, both in states and in individuals: these are two fountains which nature lets flow, and he who draws from them where and when, and as much as he ought, is happy; and this holds of men and animals—of individuals as well as states; and he who indulges in them ignorantly and at the wrong time, is the reverse of happy.

The Jews are behind promoting pedophilia
Also 41% yourself

>>510098028
No woman does.

>>510101850
>shit that never happened
Kike funded feminists invented aoc laws and nowadays kikes push for 21 aoc, kill yourself kike niggerfaggot retard.

>>510098028
Consent doesn't come down to their capacity to make good decisions, which virtually no women can claim to be capable of, it comes down to their capacity to understand the consequences of their actions, which teenagers can and do.
It falls on the man to have virtuous intention and good leadership to act morally and to guide the woman effectively towards a good outcome.
>>510102288
Yes, because destroying sexuality and making early motherhood and family a social taboo, or even illegal, leads to us going fucking extinct with 0 birth rate. It's not rocket science. Anyone disputing this is a femtard or a kikenigger.

>>510074635 (OP)
It upsets the feminist world order.

>>510102288
What the fuck are you talking about
The Talmud says a Jew can marry a 3 year old girl, not to mention Nambla being jewish, Epstein and Israel running blackmail on US politicians
You are the one who needs to 41% yourself faggot because no one is buying your bullshit

>>510075510
Insane

>>510074635 (OP)
Straight to the bog with this pederast

>>510075510
You should post your address with a picture of your face and a time stamp with this thread number

>>510102442
>which teenagers can and do.
can't accept debt.
can't drive alone.
can't drink.
can't buy fireworks.

>>510102526
The Talmud also say women should be without rights and obedience. Do Jews advocate for anti-feminism, or do they raise the age of consent in every Western country?

>>510074635 (OP)
It is 1. disgusting and 2. turns people into fags and trannies and 3. forbidden by the bible on pain of eternal punishment. Obviously, it is ontologically evil.

Psychological trauma and physical damage from laceration and tearing

>>510077306
>. An older person has power over a younger inexperienced person.
Based. Man should have full power over females.

>>510074635 (OP)
sex is for the sexually matured
ripping a child anus/cunny with an adult penis is dangerous for the kid, has no biological function (no kids being born) and its what jews, politicians and muslims do, so it has to be evil

>>510102882
They're not having sex alone either. But somehow we want them to get lots of "experience" with other people their own age who also (apparently) don't understand the consequences of their actions?
Neat.

>>510102958
I dont give a fuck about feminists, your trying to lay some smoke screen to oviscapte the fact that the peddlers of Pedophilia are Jewish which is well documented
KYS tranny

Recently I realized that basically every argument for 18 year old AOC can also apply if you wanted to raise it to like 21-25, like if tomorrow they said 18 year olds were underage there’d be no real argument against it that couldn’t be used now for 16

>>510102526
>muh talmud fallacy
And in NT god fucked 11 years old mary, meanwhile prophet Muhammad engaged with 7 years old Aisha, so fucking what? Talmud is a shitty collection of various rabbi arguing with each other about understanding of torah (5 books of OT that christkikes also study) that nobody except a secular type of kikes AND obsessed shitskin nu/pol/tards take seriously, because all of it is just critique and pilpul of torah. Even if we take note that jews unironically apply these laws to themselves that doesn't mean they apply them to the goyim you fucking retard brown kike.
Cunny for me, not for thee; are you really too much of a smoothbrained faggot to understand it?

>>510103317
>we want them to get lots of "experience" with other people
who is "we"?

>>510085073
1000000000000%
>>510085167
Christianity is based on Platonism.

>>510103328
>dont give a fuck about feminists
Wrong, you actively support them.

>>510081653
Oh well if jewish and shabbos pseudo scientist say so it must be okay to prolapse the anus of children!

>>510077306
>m-muh innocence
>they have natural sexual urge? ugh that's like exploitation if you play on them, like air is exploiting us by having urge to breath
you're a woman and you will never be mature because you're inferior dumb specimen with only purpose to serve the man. Beating you is an obligatory so you dumbfucks don't spew retarded shit like thst.

>>510103516
>If you dont agree with X you must be a Y
>>510103363
So you admit you are just jealous of Jews then?
Pretty much admitted to being a poo in loo Rasheed

>>510076051
yea I don't get the hoopla. Just don't touch kids, there are literally billions of adults to work with out there.

>>510103771
>gets btfo
>changing goalpost instead
you must be a chatgpt, i am out

>>510104000
>i am out
Do a flip then faggot

>>510103650
Nigger you know for a fucking fact that no child is attracted to some balding 40 year old man in a dress who never bathes. Boku No Pico isn't real life you degenerate coomer

>>510074635 (OP)
KYS, faggo.

>>510104000
checked
>>510104351
kill yourself kike

>>510104619
Just because you're an ugly shitskin pajeet mudslime bongtard mutt who repulse all the cute little girls with your abomination smell alone and your disgusting outlook gives them nightmares, doesn't mean that little girls don't dream about BPC of a true chad pedoaryan. Kill yourself subhuman kike.

>>510074635 (OP)
Leave Link out of this. He's sacred.

>>510105177
Well now this thread is fucked.