Thread 510085751 - /pol/ [Archived: 452 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: 6LjP0gtBJapan
7/11/2025, 1:55:32 PM No.510085751
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>magic rocks boil water
>cheap near unlimited energy
>many new designs in the pipeline (safe)
>don't use it because some retards fucked up
>don't build more because retards made it near impossible
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Anonymous ID: sNRXBp9lUnited States
7/11/2025, 1:56:30 PM No.510085799
>>510085751 (OP)
we are building 1000 new nuclear reactors as we speak, the fuck is your cunt's problem?
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Anonymous ID: L4wo9ZD6United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 1:59:26 PM No.510085929
>>510085751 (OP)
>nuclear energy is safe because the (((experts))) say it is
>never mind that corners get cut, things go wrong, safety mechanisms fail
>never mind that nuclear power plants are a huge liability during war
>never mind that we have have a minor power plant accident every year and a major accident every decade
>and all of those accidents happen at plants that were considered "safe" when they were built
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Anonymous ID: k6/n90oUNetherlands
7/11/2025, 2:00:28 PM No.510085978
>>510085751 (OP)
Everyone is building\planning for nuclear plants now. Not because it will give affordable energy to the plebs but because AI control grid data centers require it.
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Anonymous ID: SNXHxq1/
7/11/2025, 2:01:59 PM No.510086061
They don't build more because America will bomb you if you enrich uranium
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Anonymous ID: 9ra4eI3WUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:04:50 PM No.510086199
>>510085751 (OP)
Personally I can't wait for atomic batteries to become consumer grade and available. Imagine doing /diy/ or /g/ stuff and you solder in an atomic battery to your gizmo with a 50 year lifespan.

It's too good to be true so I doubt they'll allow them to be available to the public. But it would be really cool if they finally made them available.
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Anonymous ID: pLCHVzdjVietnam
7/11/2025, 2:05:51 PM No.510086253
>>510085751 (OP)
We should definitely harness nuclear power more, but obviously not in retard countries that cut corners, or locations that are prone to natural disasters.
Basically that leaves western Europe as the only logical place to do this.
Anonymous ID: whPdgbBZUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:08:39 PM No.510086396
>>510085929
Focusing on the ways nuclear can go wrong is kind of disingenuous unless you also compare it to all the ways coal mining and coal burning can go wrong, oil drilling and oil burning can go wrong, gas fracking and gas burning can go wrong, etc.

I’ll buy the safety-based anti-nuclear argument from people who think the only valid form of electricity is “a mixture of solar and barely using electricity”, but everyone else can shut the fuck up.
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Anonymous ID: qBiXK3LKAustralia
7/11/2025, 2:11:56 PM No.510086583
>Focusing on the ways nuclear can go wrong is kind of disingenuous unless you also compare it to all the ways coal mining and coal burning can go wrong
the scale of potential nuclear disasters is incomparable.
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Anonymous ID: qBiXK3LKAustralia
7/11/2025, 2:12:27 PM No.510086611
>>510086583
meant for >>510086396
Anonymous ID: FepI3U6MCzech Republic
7/11/2025, 2:13:10 PM No.510086644
>>510085751 (OP)
dont worry we are building more and we will keep the old functioning as long as it can....

few new giant reactors at our two already existing nuclear power plants, many small reactors that will be built at the places of coal plants(which will be shut down soon)

because EU tards, everything including cars and heating will have to be electric and coal plants will have to be shut down, so we will need lots of nuclear power here

nuclear is the only way
Anonymous ID: pLCHVzdjVietnam
7/11/2025, 2:14:54 PM No.510086735
>>510086396
I dunno, Chernobyl almost made the whole of Europe uninhabitable for centuries. It was pure luck that they managed to contain it.
That kind of instant apocalyptic fuckery doesn't happen with other energy sources.
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Anonymous ID: cRqkhzz3United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:14:56 PM No.510086739
>>510086396
When coal mining goes wrong it causes a handful of workers to die. When nuclear power goes wrong it kills thousands of civilians, renders the surrounding area uninhabitable for decades, and poisons the surrounding oceans.

They are not really comparable.
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Anonymous ID: FepI3U6MCzech Republic
7/11/2025, 2:16:14 PM No.510086817
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>>510085929
>>never mind that nuclear power plants are a huge liability during war

there will be no war and even if there was war, the only war in europe will be only civil war between muslims and native europeans and also daily reminder israel did this to iran reactor and nothing ever happened
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Anonymous !niqjediPCAID: nOfzwFSzUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:18:12 PM No.510086925
>>510085751 (OP)
to be honest, it's pretty easy to attack, and thus destroy large parts of the economy/biosphere....

So, for the good of humanity, Nuclear is good.

However, for ths state of deception based warfare, nuclear is bad.
Anonymous ID: whPdgbBZUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:20:06 PM No.510087031
>>510086583
True but the planet is being cooked alive with smog 24/7, that’s not a “hypothetical catastrophe” it’s a “nigger have you looked at the air in Beijing this Tuesday” catastrophe. Nuclear can cause a Chernobyl, but oil can cause a Deepwater Horizon. All of these things have fail states that are more extreme than you’re preparing to account for.

Meanwhile, if you look at actual nuclear disasters, Chernobyl is really the only actually bad one. Three Mile Island was basically nothing. Fukushima Daiichi was basically nothing. It’s not like we’re having apocalyptic meltdowns every 5 years, it happened one single time and while yes, it was certainly bad, and it’s certainly important that nuclear power be handled with care and gravity, the scale of the damage we have done and are still doing every single day with fossil fuels is insane.
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Anonymous ID: L4wo9ZD6United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:21:54 PM No.510087134
>>510086817
>the only war in europe will be only civil war between muslims and native europeans
And therein lies the crux of the issue. At some point in this century, there will be an Islamic terrorist attack involving nuclear material. Whether it's a dirty bomb, a stolen nuclear bomb, or sabotage on a nuclear power plant, I can't say for sure. But it is likely to happen, and when it does it will make 9/11 look like child's play. Imagine the devastation of terrorists wiping out an entire city.

Do these guarantees that modern nuclear power plants are safe include scenarios in which they are specifically sabotaged in a well-planned attack?
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Anonymous ID: 9XoAQZjKUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:22:52 PM No.510087191
>>510085751 (OP)
yeah cuz the fucking nuke treaties make any safe reliable and effective design fucking illegal because in theory it could be used to produce 'weapons grade' material

a few drops of isolated plutonium and the whole thing is scrapped? Fuck You.
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Anonymous ID: whPdgbBZUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:25:40 PM No.510087332
>>510087191
The flip side of that argument is that the emphasis on LWR design over other designs like MSR was due to the fact that LWRs produce weapons-grade fissile material. The US subsidized the creation of light water reactors specifically as a means to military ends, we’re like 50 years behind the curve on safer nuclear technology because it isn’t getting the financial backing of the military as it doesn’t produce weapons-grade uranium and plutonium.
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Anonymous ID: FepI3U6MCzech Republic
7/11/2025, 2:27:02 PM No.510087411
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>>510086739
nuclear power is ultra safe today, in event of anything the reactor shuts itself down

we need more nuclear power if we want to follow your retarded green scam bullshit, we cant have coal, gas started to be a giant NO NO with these green scam idiots too, hydro is already on maximum we can do here and it is not much anyway, sun is shining only in the summer, in the winter it gives almost nothing, no wind here... Nuclear is the only way, it is very safe if anything happens the reactor shuts itself down, there are so many fail safes if you study it you will be way calmer than you are now. I seen what they are doing during reactor inspections and they are studying everything up close so much, nothing can ever happen
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Anonymous ID: 9XoAQZjKUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:28:24 PM No.510087481
>>510087134
imagine the glorious aftermath as humanity unites to scour the earth of the perceived threat
generations of people raised with absurdism and videogame logic being presented with a real life 'enemy'
hoho you thought desert storm 2 was a shitshow? we'll be lucky if there's a single man woman or goat alive in all the middle east if an islamist sets off a nuke xD
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Anonymous ID: L4wo9ZD6United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:28:32 PM No.510087488
>>510087411
>nuclear power is ultra safe today, in event of anything the reactor shuts itself down
Good goy, just repeat the line you've been told. I bet you also think the vaccines are safe and effective™.
Anonymous ID: OKHGcqYnUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:28:53 PM No.510087511
>>510085751 (OP)
>don't use it because some retards fucked up
That's not why we aren't using it. We aren't using it because oil and green corporations have too much power. The fact that when Germany tried to stop relying on Russian oil their green parties were in favor of using coal power again should tell you everything you need to know. There are no environmental concerns, it's purely profit driven.
Anonymous ID: L4wo9ZD6United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:30:50 PM No.510087616
>>510087481
This is how you'd think it would go down in your head. The reality is something different. 20 years after 9/11 and 7/7, not to mention all the other recent terrorist attacks, muslims are being imported en masse into the West. Even when they commit terrorist attacks on us our rulers still don't give a fuck.
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Anonymous ID: 9XoAQZjKUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:31:41 PM No.510087661
>>510087332
it's incredibly frustrating to see reprocessing and reaction designs rejected because over dozens of cycles it produces a few grams of pure material, that is fed back into the reactor anyway so what's the issue :V
acting like these places have no security
Anonymous ID: dooTgrC/United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:33:23 PM No.510087752
>>510085929
Why are you even on this site with such retarded Reddit tier opinions?
Nuke technology is the most advanced and safe field of science and only luddite retards object to it.
Kys.
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Anonymous ID: lZDbPlupUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:34:05 PM No.510087794
>>510085751 (OP)
>cheap
LOL! LMAO!
Anonymous ID: LtswWLInUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:34:39 PM No.510087828
>>510085929
>nuclear power plants are a huge liability during war
There are several nuclear plants on the front lines of an active war, and none of them have had a release of radionuclides in over three years of conflict.
>minor power plant accident every year
Which don't result in the release of radionuclides to the environment because the safety and containment systems (of which there are hundreds) work as designed.
>and a major accident every decade
Three Mile Island resulted in no release of radionuclides to the environment.
Fukushima only happened because of the third most intense earthquake ever recorded and a once-in-a-millennium tsunami.
>plants that were considered "safe" when they were built
Chernobyl was defective by design and was never safe, thanks to Soviet engineering and centralized planning, which we in the west are thankfully spared from.
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Anonymous ID: LS8WqWBHUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:35:04 PM No.510087854
Thorium fuel cycle reactors were the future 70 years ago. They can breed their own fuel in the cycle, meaning it will go from being as low as 1% efficient like present uranium reactors, to being up to 99% efficient. Potentially extending the nuclear fuel supply lifetime from a mere 200-300 years to thousands of years. Fact, the US researcher who first conceptualized and developed practical models and methods for Thorium fuel cycle reactors in the 1950s got canned and censored by the corporate authorities of his time because he discovered the Thorium fuel cycle if done correctly could safely power the entire world for hundreds if not thousands of years at the time. Big energy and big oil did NOT like that, as expected.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:35:52 PM No.510087898
>>510086061
There is no reason to enrich over a few % for a power program. The only reason you enrich to 90% is to make a bomb. That said NK demonstrates that this is exactly what Iran needs to do.
Anonymous ID: 9XoAQZjKUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:36:01 PM No.510087909
>>510087616
i was thinking of 9/11
y'know when a large minority of people voted for and wrote letters asking for war and security

the mentality of people my age isn't like the boomers, we've never had a real enemy it's always just been random foreigns the rich cunts want to steal from
if some group stands up and unabashedly PUSHES THE FUCKING BUTTON, that might be the first time any of us actually gave a shit
if nothing else it would kick off a couple of new 'forever wars'
Anonymous ID: AAl/ubv8United States
7/11/2025, 2:37:49 PM No.510088018
>>510086817
Photoshop.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:41:03 PM No.510088182
>>510086739
>and poisons the surrounding oceans.
The Japanese tardation with respect to a little tritium (in the pacific) is one for the ages.
Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 2:41:29 PM No.510088205
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>>510085751 (OP)
>>510085799
>>510085978
>>510086199
>>510086396
The media will never signal boost this sort of development because it's good news and they want everyone miserable and hopeless.
>https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Holtec-claims-SMR-160-can-repurpose-any-coal-fired
https://archive.is/WkTi2
>https://holtecinternational.com/2023/01/10/holtecs-smr-160-nuclear-reactor-slated-to-repurpose-coal-burning-power-plants-into-clean-energy-generators/
https://archive.is/PvlI0
Anonymous ID: qufCQHxfGermany
7/11/2025, 2:43:03 PM No.510088299
>>510085751 (OP)
>magic rocks boil water and everything else that comes close to it.
>very expensive to build. Requires state-level investors for a lot of energy concentrated in one spot far away from the consumer.
>many new designs in the pipeline (safe, trust me bro, everybody can handle nuclear material)
>don't use it because fuck-ups keep happening despite the smartest people on earth working on it.
>don't build more because proper safety standards made other alternatives cheaper
Fixed it for ya
Anonymous ID: HXUYgtWGUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:43:36 PM No.510088323
>>510086735
it was never uninhabitable as animals lived there continuously since it happened
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Anonymous ID: lrvuBca7United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:43:58 PM No.510088338
>>510087752
Lmao, it's always the retard with the most Reddit-tier opinions who calls others Redditors. The only thing Reddit loves more than vaccines is nuclear power.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:44:10 PM No.510088349
>>510087134
>Do these guarantees that modern nuclear power plants are safe include scenarios in which they are specifically sabotaged in a well-planned attack?

This isn't a failure of the plant; this is a failure of the nation-state itself, something that should be of a deep concern to you Mohammad. Maybe you need to stick with just being cold in winter.
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Anonymous ID: /FZI4EDtAustralia
7/11/2025, 2:46:18 PM No.510088475
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>>510085929
Kike.
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Anonymous ID: lrvuBca7United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:46:46 PM No.510088502
>>510088349
Imagine calling me Mohammad when I'm literally spreading awareness about the dangers of Islamic terrorism. Nice reddit spacing by the way.
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Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 2:47:42 PM No.510088547
>>510086735
It wasn't Chernobyl. It was the Soviet Union, its people and its system of loyalty and fear above professionalism and safety. What you're saying is like saying guns just kill people. Well, there's a person behind each gun when it's being made to kill someone. Stop thinking in hypotheticals. A tool is a tool. What it is made to do or not do is entirely up to the people operating it.
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Anonymous ID: lZDbPlupUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:48:33 PM No.510088598
>>510087134
>Do these guarantees that modern nuclear power plants are safe include scenarios in which they are specifically sabotaged in a well-planned attack?
More or less because the level of redubdancies. If you wanted to cause a plant to melt down you'd have to disable half a dozen systems scattered across the plant and some inside the plant all before the reactor trip from one of them going out (which is often automatic) causes the power output to drop to nothing, after that you have to strike new systems before decay heat drops to negligible levels in about a week, and even then worst comes to worst get some niggas with hoses to spray the core to keep it cool.
Anonymous ID: lrvuBca7United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:48:43 PM No.510088610
>>510088475
Deaths in coal production:
>a handful of niggers and jeets in the coal mines, who even cares because they already breed like rabbits

Deaths in nuclear production:
>white civilians

They are not comparable.
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Anonymous ID: /PKrtcSSIreland
7/11/2025, 2:49:23 PM No.510088644
>>510085751 (OP)
Nuclear power is completely viable if women an goreigns are ot allowed to participate
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:49:26 PM No.510088652
>>510088547
>its system of loyalty and fear above professionalism and safety
Modern capitalism is no better. What do you think Stalin was capable of that BP or Shell execs aren’t capable of? The bottom line is bureaucrats gonna bureaucrat.
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Anonymous ID: qufCQHxfGermany
7/11/2025, 2:49:44 PM No.510088668
>>510088323
>it was never uninhabitable as animals lived there continuously
Kek. Go move there and raise a child if you so convinced it's habitable but don't complain if it comes out with extra arms and legs.
The animals who lives there show a much higher degree of mutations. Since humans live a lot longer and have much fewer offspring the effects would be devastating.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:50:40 PM No.510088735
>>510087332
I think this is quite wrong. You cannot keep fuel in the core very long if you want to make plutonium for weapons - This creates all sorts of other isotopes that contaminate the pu-239 that you want - and must keep pure.

Normal water moderated reactors have a fueling cycle that is inappropriate for this. You open the core with a giant crane and exchange fuel rods under water, bolt it all back together and run things for a year.

The reactors that are used for making weapons are easy to get fuel into and out of - like Chernobyl - or the British windscale plant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windscale_fire
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:53:28 PM No.510088889
>>510088502
And yet it is a concern to you, brought about by the actions of your 'state'. You are already a failed country, continuing the trajectory of a failed empire. Fix your shit, Dad.
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Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 2:54:22 PM No.510088942
>>510087854
Thorium reactors never took off because a radioactive molten metal salt that has to be continuously pumped, cooled, and reheated is literally the most difficult materials science challenge ever conceived. It is Hell and Hell Dante Must Die Non Stop Infinite Climax difficulty materials science.

To be sure, political pressures diverting funding away from molten salt designs toward LW/HW designs did not help matters. Today we’re finally seeing some financing in this area in the EU and progress is being made as a result. But it’s not
>they won’t even look in Galileo’s telescope!
it’s the fact that no material that modern society can manufacture at scale is able to continuously pump an obscenely corrosive radioactive 2000° metal slurry 24/7 without failing once a week.
Anonymous ID: lrvuBca7United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 2:55:43 PM No.510088994
>>510088889
Nigga, it wasn't my country that got 9/11'd. Every country's security systems can fail.
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Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 2:56:26 PM No.510089034
>>510088652
Stalin had no competition. It's not like the people of the USSR could go shopping for a new leader or a new system that won't put a bullet in the back of their head for disregarding the lies of the State.
>We're now comparing Chernobyl to corporate oil spills
In the spills, people were fired. People were charged. Fines were served. There were public boycotts, and so on. There was room for justice and retaliation. And sure, Chernobyl can be attributed to the downfall of the USSR. But that's only because of the nature of its power structure. There was never any accountability of leadership until the whole thing came crashing down in its entirety.
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Anonymous ID: /FZI4EDtAustralia
7/11/2025, 2:56:32 PM No.510089039
>>510088610
Quite literally the opposite. Innocent suburbs have their lifespans cut short if they're in the vicinity of coal power plants. Pregnant mothers have an increased chance of having kids with disabilities and disorders too.

Nuclear deaths so far in history have been retards building them in poor locations (japs) or ignoring safety protocol (hohols), both not white.
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Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 2:59:12 PM No.510089158
>>510085751 (OP)
1% of all NPPs ever built have gone kablooey
I do recognize the need but the tech is nowhere near mature, having been held back by idiotic "nonproliferation" concerns
good luck
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:00:30 PM No.510089228
>>510088994
9/11 was nothing hyped up to create a surveillance state with the laws already written. The WTC buildings were poorly made, imho. But hey, 25 years later we get to keep our shoes on at the airport.

And yes, in-spite of all that, 9/11 was a failure of the state itself - that should be a warning to you. When you have it reported to the FBI that you have islamists that want to learn to pilot aircraft and don't care about landing - and the FBI does nothing, that is a failure of the state itself. That isn't a mere failure. That is structural rot.
Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 3:00:54 PM No.510089249
>>510088652
>>510089034
Let me rephrase that
>Stalin *and the other leaders of the USSR
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:01:11 PM No.510089262
>>510089034
>It's not like the people of the USSR could go shopping for a new leader or a new system that won't put a bullet in the back of their head for disregarding the lies of the State.
That really doesn’t sound different from the modern ZOG either, anon.

I’m not saying this to excuse the USSR, I’m saying this to make the point that if you think we are exempt from the USSR’s problems because we have Freedom and Democracy and Capitalism and all that other bullshit, you’re a retard. The power bureaucracy is indistinguishable, it’s career bureaucrats doing what career bureaucrats do, here as well as there. Telling the lies that need telling, fudging the numbers that need fudging, all in service of their own careers and petty fiefdoms to protect their own pensions with no regard for the greater consequences, insulated from accountability by a tangled web of mutual gladhanding, cronyism and excuse-making.
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:02:41 PM No.510089330
>>510088547
>It wasn't Windscale. It was the UK, its people and its system of traditionalism and elitism above pragmatism and safety. What you're saying is like saying guns just kill people. Well, there's a person behind each gun when it's being made to kill someone. Stop thinking in hypotheticals. A tool is a tool. What it is made to do or not do is entirely up to the people operating it.

>It wasn't Three Mile Island. It was the US, its people and its system of cowboyism and profit-chasing above science and safety. What you're saying is like saying guns just kill people. Well, there's a person behind each gun when it's being made to kill someone. Stop thinking in hypotheticals. A tool is a tool. What it is made to do or not do is entirely up to the people operating it.

>It wasn't Japan...

rinse and repeat as needed
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Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 3:05:42 PM No.510089498
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>>510089330
Fukushima was natural disaster, not human error.
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Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:06:25 PM No.510089537
>>510089330
Nothing bad happened at Three Mile Island. Nobody died, nobody was injured, nobody got sick, and no nuclear materials were released into the environment. Expensive equipment was destroyed/damaged/lost, that’s the only thing that went wrong.
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Anonymous ID: nsYyaajJUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:07:12 PM No.510089580
>>510086199
Enjoy all those neutrons
Anonymous ID: fqtw2QCeUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:08:45 PM No.510089654
The problem with nuclear energy is not the science behind it, it's the human error to disastrous outcome ratio

If someone fucks up at a normal power station the worst case scenario is the area goes without power for a little while.

If someone fucks up at a nuclear power plant the results are, well, disastrous.

Combine human error with the penny pinchers trying to undermine safety measures by saving as much money as they can and paying off safety inspectors and it's just not a good system
Anonymous ID: wxWAMt9xThailand
7/11/2025, 3:09:23 PM No.510089691
>>510085751 (OP)
How much more cost effective is it compared to coal? Let's say no construction cost, just purely operational cost.
Replies: >>510089909
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:09:44 PM No.510089708
>>510087854
You can run thorium in normal water moderated reactors - you don't need molten salt thing. You can also use uranium in a molten salt reactor. Its more of a reactor design, than a fuel design.

The reason thorium isn't used is because it does not actually solve any real problem. There is plenty of uranium out there, and the Japs have figured out how to pull it out of seawater (iirc the chinese recently improved the process), and if uranium did ever get scarce, you can reprocess.

Meanwhile throrium is more plentiful, but it too can be used to make weapons as thorium isn't fissile, it is fertile and is transmutated to U233 for use as a fuel. (much like plutonium is made by transmutating uranium).

Sure, the reason that we use the uranium fuel cycle is do to historical weapons program interests, but thorium solves no real problems. Meanwhile we need energy today.
Anonymous ID: b9OK2mn7United States
7/11/2025, 3:11:03 PM No.510089781
>>510085751 (OP)
Nuclear Power Plants are run on electricity.
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:11:24 PM No.510089798
>>510089498
they put the main switchboards in a fucking basement lol
they LOWERED THE GRADE OF THE TERRAIN TO ECONOMIZE ON SECONDARY COOLANT PUMPS
they fucking RAN THE REACTORS OUT OF SPEC TEMPS TO TRY SOME ANNEALING-IN-PLACE bullshit to deal with stress fractures
they SOMEHOW MANAGED TO NOT HAVE BACKUP BATTERY BANKS ONSITE TO RUN THE INSTRUMENTATION WITH
they RAN THE THINGS FOR YEARS LIKE THAT, SOMEHOW, MAGICALLY, PASSING EVERY SAFETY INSPECTION
Replies: >>510090143
Anonymous ID: nsYyaajJUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:13:31 PM No.510089909
>>510089691
It is the pre operational costs, even before construction, that are critical to a nuclear power plant's operational costs and that is a good thing because it's a non hazard risk cost mitigating harmful operational costs
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:15:41 PM No.510090034
>>510089537
>just a little core meltdown bro
>just seconds away from a hydrogen explosion bro
>just a little tritium bro, you don't mind if I have your kids breathe some radioiodine, drink some tritiated water bro, do you bro? bro, cmon
>safe and effective, bro
>bro don't talk about SL1 bro don't do me like that
>pls bro
Replies: >>510090606 >>510094974
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:15:55 PM No.510090043
>>510089498
Fukushima was human error in the planning stages, it had been repeatedly pointed out that tsunamis of the size that hit Fukushima were a real threat and cost/PR concerns kept those fears from being addressed. In engineering, there’s a concept called the “100-year-storm”, which is the weather events that have a 1% likelihood of occurring. Something as critical as a nuclear power plant’s safety features should realistically be built to withstand a 1000-year storm at least. The disaster that hit Fukushima was bad but it was well within the margins of predicted storm volumes. There are reports going back to the 90s confirming as much.
Replies: >>510090143
Anonymous ID: HXUYgtWGUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:15:55 PM No.510090045
>>510088668
there's absolutely no proof of mutations outside of journalist claims and being uninhabitable means it can't be inhabited, which animals have done so continuously just fine, you can see videos of the lush green plantlife and the living normally animals who look and act 100% fine
Replies: >>510090271
Anonymous ID: dn94BC0wCanada
7/11/2025, 3:17:46 PM No.510090143
>>510089798
>>510090043
I'll look more in to it later lads. Time for me to go to work. Good thread.
Anonymous ID: Sj9xr//VUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 3:18:13 PM No.510090173
>>510085751 (OP)
>Someone figures out a solution
>But you profit from endless environmentalism grants
>Solution is never implemented
>Instead you make endless ineffective or outright useless eco-crap, profit and everyone has to pay extra to import power from the country nearby who isn't retarded and went nuclear
Be like Germany and blow up all those fuddy duddy nuclear plants then ignore how France gets its power
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:19:53 PM No.510090271
>>510090045
Mutations are a stupid hollywood meme anyway. Radiation shatters your DNA, but shattering your DNA doesn't look like "growing a third eye" it looks like "coughing yourself to death with 6 kinds of cancer"
Replies: >>510090606
Anonymous ID: BVR9EZQOUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:23:15 PM No.510090472
1750018123473626m
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>>510087411
>nuclear power is ultra safe today, in event of anything the reactor shuts itself down
The byproduct of depleted uranium/plutonium takes 100,000 years in a storage facility to become safe again. The government can't even pave roads and you think they're capable of storing an extremely dangerous substance in a vault for 20 times as long as all of recorded human history

Underground storage vaults in Idaho didn't even last 20 years before they started leaking uranium into underground water aquifers

Nuclear power is retarded because humanity is retarded
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:23:33 PM No.510090484
Indian Point leaked strontium and tritium into groundwater for 30 fucking years
somehow magically nobody died from this, please do not look at raw mortality stats for surrounding counties, especially not child mortality
Anonymous ID: B0ahz005Poland
7/11/2025, 3:24:54 PM No.510090556
1752094636426316
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>>510087481
>humanity unites to scour the earth of the perceived threat
>>510087134
>At some point in this century, there will be an Islamic terrorist attack involving nuclear material.
post foreskins to show that you are totaly not zhids
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:25:43 PM No.510090606
>>510090034
The tmi core suffered severe damage and the plant only queefed a basically immeasurably small amount of radioactive gasses.

>>510090271
>Radiation shatters your DNA
well, except we live in an environment that has background radiation and cosmic rays, and our cells have dna repair mechanisms. Basically we are adapted to small exposures - because that is the world we evolved in.
Replies: >>510090834 >>510091456
Anonymous ID: 4r98huswUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:26:05 PM No.510090622
>>510085929
Flag checks out, paki
Anonymous ID: qBiXK3LKAustralia
7/11/2025, 3:27:07 PM No.510090668
>>510087031
sure but there are more options for replacing coal than nuclear, and most of them are better options.
Anonymous ID: x+aFbpRzUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:28:33 PM No.510090759
>>510085929
Nuclear is safer than coal. With nuclear, people only get cancer and die if something goes wrong. With coal, that's just an accepted consequence of normal operation. We have plenty of nuclear plants in the US and they're doing fine.
Anonymous ID: 4r98huswUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:29:11 PM No.510090804
>>510089039
>retards building them in poor locations (japs)

Fukushima operated for 50 years before it was destroyed. It was fine.
Replies: >>510091058 >>510091253
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:29:45 PM No.510090834
>>510090606
I'm talking about the large doses that kill you. The point is that exposure to high levels of radiation, the kinds that fuck up your DNA to a degree that your cellular repair mechanisms can't compensate, doesn't look like "extra legs", it looks like "you have a couple brain tumors and your lungs aren't working right". Because what DNA death does is causes cells to not reproduce and behave according to the body's planned mechanisms, so cellular function degrades and the body just sort of falls apart like a machine with broken parts.

"Mutation" only happens if there's DNA damage during very specific embryological developments and even then the offspring has to somehow survive and not just be a ball of unbreathing stillborn meat in spite of those errors.

But "frog with extra legs" is a more glamorous and attention-grabbing concept than "alarmingly higher incidence of leukemia"
Replies: >>510090980 >>510091569 >>510093907
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:32:13 PM No.510090980
>>510090834
I agree to what you write here. A lot of people see 'radiation' and loose their minds. That is why I wrote what I wrote.
Anonymous ID: x+aFbpRzUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:33:53 PM No.510091058
>>510090804
And if they hadn't built it like retards not even the tsunami would have gotten it.
Anonymous ID: eFdanugG
7/11/2025, 3:37:05 PM No.510091245
>>510085751 (OP)
>cheap near unlimited energy
only with breeder reactors, and it won't be so cheap under those conditions
uranium will become dramatically more expensive as easy deposits are exhausted, until we resort to extracting it from seawater, perhaps in about a century
around that point, the fuel expense will be large enough to make breeders economically viable, perhaps even as a source of fuel for the remaining water reactors
but the world will also be running out of Whites and Asians, and breeders are far more complex and dangerous
good luck, niggerjeets
Replies: >>510092804 >>510097612
Anonymous ID: vtLhColcUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:37:11 PM No.510091253
>>510090804
If you were an engineer and you said
>I think we can build the $15 billion structure to last for 50 years before catastrophic failure completely annihilates it
You'd be laughed out of the first round of bids.

Good engineers retrofit structures when there's signs that 100 years of usage have caused degradation that leads to a 1% chance of catastrophic failure in the next 25 years. They don't go "hey it made it 50 years before the nuclear meltdown, we did okay". You're holding the fucking nuclear power plant to laxer standards than most bridges, skyscrapers and dams.
Replies: >>510091380
Anonymous ID: I+M+DZGPGermany
7/11/2025, 3:37:36 PM No.510091274
>>510085751 (OP)
>cheap
Never. They cost is always hidden in taxes for the decommissioning of these plants.
Anonymous ID: Sf1FS4sV
7/11/2025, 3:39:29 PM No.510091380
>>510091253

or you just go full-chink and roll the dice.

pussy. that's why you mutt faggots get nothing done.
Anonymous ID: 2F4ihKOfCanada
7/11/2025, 3:39:46 PM No.510091393
>>510085751 (OP)
Literally the best source of power. Its amazing the same leftists looking to decarbonize hate a carbon free source of power, but thats the left isnt it, hypocrisy manifest.
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:40:51 PM No.510091456
>>510090606
>basically immeasurably
it can be measured in raw infant mortality and cancer rates
go lick a radium-painted clockface, fucker
Replies: >>510092508
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 3:42:24 PM No.510091569
>>510090834
amphibs can get extra legs from basically anything
mammalian DNA is a bit sturdier, repair mechanisms a bit less forgiving
Anonymous ID: dsyNmmCAUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:44:08 PM No.510091680
Nuclear power in no way benefits the common man, and the poisoning that inevitably results will effect countless peasants, yet here peasants shill for it anyways. I really hope they're just bots
Replies: >>510092341 >>510095669
Anonymous ID: bmAUSVkF
7/11/2025, 3:44:26 PM No.510091703
Uranium_prices.webp
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Anonymous ID: bmAUSVkF
7/11/2025, 3:53:55 PM No.510092341
Log_scale-1994926781
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>>510091680
>benefits the common man
Replies: >>510107566
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 3:56:51 PM No.510092508
>>510091456
tmi had zero effect on health except in the fantasies of the anti-nuke lobby.
Replies: >>510096180
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:00:55 PM No.510092804
>>510091245
There is no way that we won't have fusion plants within the next 100 years. The us govt has achieved break-even in their intertial confinement experiment (NIF), ITER is expected to just work, you have the more advanced tokamak design with commonwealth fusion systems.

Fission is a stop-gap solution to bridge between the tail end of carbon and fusion itself. 100 years tops.
Replies: >>510094141 >>510095799
Anonymous ID: O1nD1hxUCanada
7/11/2025, 4:02:45 PM No.510092907
>>510085929
Hmm, seems if we killed of you jews then the world would be a much better place.
Anonymous ID: wwbcV1QACanada
7/11/2025, 4:08:25 PM No.510093254
>>510087828
Haha oh my sweet summer child...
Anonymous ID: RRshh1FuAustralia
7/11/2025, 4:11:25 PM No.510093418
>>510086199
Thats not how nuclear power works you retard. A reactor makes steam, that's literally its sole function
Replies: >>510093553
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:12:31 PM No.510093481
eighth-ignition
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bump.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:13:43 PM No.510093553
>>510093418
This is what he is talking about.

https://www.livescience.com/technology/engineering/betavolt-bv100-radioactive-battery-can-last-50-years-coming-in-2025
Replies: >>510094630
Anonymous ID: teBzh90qUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:15:07 PM No.510093658
midwest_nuclear_power
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>>510085751 (OP)
not my problem
Anonymous ID: wwbcV1QACanada
7/11/2025, 4:19:33 PM No.510093907
>>510090834
One time I had almost a sievert a few inches from my balls
Anonymous ID: qgaC38FyUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:23:29 PM No.510094141
>>510092804
there's a reason the government just made a huge deal with a mining company for digging up materials to make the magnets used in those fusion plants. it's the way now.
Anonymous ID: 3ROpW+2JCanada
7/11/2025, 4:23:30 PM No.510094147
>>510085751 (OP)
The core problem with nuclear power is that the infrastructure is pretty much the single most expensive non-military installation any nation-state can build. There's obviously a lot of lobbying against it by competing energy sources but that propaganda is allowed to fester because at its heart nuclear just really fucking expensive.
It's expensive to build the parts
It's expensive to build the places that build the parts
It's expensive to acquire the machine tools necessary to build the places that build the parts
It's expensive to train the personnel to operate the machines that build the parts
It's expensive to train the personnel that evaluate the safety and compliance of the parts as they're built
It's expensive to train the personnel who design the parts to be built
It's expensive to train the personnel that assemble the parts into the completed infrastructure
It's expensive to train the personnel that operate, evaluate and maintain the completed infrastructure

And because you don't need that many nuclear plants, and don't need to replace them more than once in a generation, all of this development and training is lost between projects and needs to be re-developed every single time. It's the kind of project that completely vacuums up a country's development budget and short-term mandates are loath to make generational investments like that which make their balance sheet look bad so their successors can reap the benefit.

There's also the issue of fuel. France, for example, invested heavily in nuclear power but lacks domestic uranium to mine, so their self-sufficiency is entirely reliant on importing expensive fuel as cheaply as possible, dragging them into political quagmires in Africa to secure mines that aren't already monopolized. Most of the world's uranium is mined in like 3 different countries, everyone else is at their mercy for supply and pricing.
Replies: >>510094272 >>510094401 >>510094997 >>510096970
Anonymous ID: teBzh90qUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:25:26 PM No.510094272
>>510094147
you're right we should just send the money to ukraine and give it to niggers instead.
Anonymous ID: DHKc88G9Canada
7/11/2025, 4:27:16 PM No.510094401
>>510094147
>t. doesn't understand how private corporations or international trade works
Replies: >>510094736
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:30:57 PM No.510094630
>>510093553
Wow, it's both retardedly expensive and inefficient. The amount of heat generated by radioactive decay and with it the energy created or dissipated is extremely small. The reason nuclear power generates so much power is because it's using fission which completely splits the atom releasing orders of magnitude more energy than simple electron/beta decay.
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:32:51 PM No.510094736
>>510094401
In America Constellation, the company that owns more nuke plants than anyone else constantly threatens to shut down plants unless they get more free gibs from the government. Also companies have no reason to invest in nuclear, it's a massive investment with far less payoff for a company than building a coal, oil, natural gas, or hydro plant.
Anonymous ID: JDU47QlgGreece
7/11/2025, 4:35:05 PM No.510094874
>>510085929
Coal plants kill way more people per unit of electricity than nuclear plants.
Sage ID: eDGMGONsUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:36:39 PM No.510094974
>>510090034
>>just seconds away from a hydrogen explosion bro
You are retarded.
Replies: >>510096533
Anonymous ID: ndUaz4vsUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:37:06 PM No.510094997
>>510094147
>Nuclear energy is a generational investment requiring low time preference, large commitments of intelligent human capital, and the political will to keep Africans in line
So basically inaccessible for every country that isn't China, with some possible rule-proving exceptions at small scale in hyper-competent bubbles of Northern Europe.
Anonymous ID: UIBfmxhV
7/11/2025, 4:40:52 PM No.510095257
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I'm all for nuclear in principle, it's the best source of power we have available.

But remember the state the world is in.
Companies are hiring retarded jeets left and right, the mentally ill are put in positions of great responsibility, and competent people are driven away.
Todays society is incapable of responsibly running nuclear power.
It's a bunch of retards playing pretend civilization with what has been left behind by previous generations.
Anonymous ID: 6a2gURU2United States
7/11/2025, 4:42:46 PM No.510095370
>>510085751 (OP)
If society collapses and a gigantic solar flare hits the planet what happens then? its the reason why im against it.
Replies: >>510095750
Anonymous ID: BHY57tAgUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:45:07 PM No.510095528
Hardly anyone died from Chernobyl and Fukushima is nothing because dumping all nuclear waste into the ocean is much better than coal power plants.
Anonymous ID: cf7msXOLSweden
7/11/2025, 4:47:31 PM No.510095669
>>510091680
>Nuclear power in no way benefits the common man
It provides cheap energy to the working man, it also out-competes your filthy oil and inefficient (((renewables))), shlomo
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 4:48:04 PM No.510095710
>>510085799
>we are building 1000 new nuclear reactors as we speak
There are 2 nuclear reactors being built
There are 3 nuclear reactors being deactivated
2-3=(-1)

You are currently building negative 1 nuclear reactors. You can't even staff Vogtle with new engineers. You have to pull people out of retirement. America has just about lost the knowledge of how to build nuclear energy. There is only one company that can do it.

>muh SMRs
small modular reactors can not fulfill the same energy requirements as a full size reactor. They even have to pay for all the same regulations.
Replies: >>510096464
Anonymous ID: tUXZPdAfUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:48:45 PM No.510095750
>>510095370
In that scenario, the meltdowns are the least of your concerns.
Anonymous ID: DCaXBsWiUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:49:05 PM No.510095776
10d0dda2f7d45f6f0f878e00c9fcaab9
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>>510085751 (OP)
Anonymous ID: eFdanugG
7/11/2025, 4:49:29 PM No.510095799
>>510092804
exceedingly optimistic
even if surplus can be achieved reliably, it does not scale without radical technological innovation to reduce the complexity and cost of the designs
10 MW of free energy is nothing when the generating facility costs 100 billion US shekels, especially when your grid infrastructure begins to increasingly resemble present-day South Africa
we're several decades into the experiment of prioritizing women, nepo jews, and illiterate niggers in universities and employment over high-IQ schizoids, and with gen x coming up on retirement, intellectual talent is about to dry up faster than a pussy at a smash tournament
Replies: >>510096781
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 4:49:57 PM No.510095832
>>510085978
how is that going?
Replies: >>510108057
Anonymous ID: ezLw5LhhGermany
7/11/2025, 4:51:01 PM No.510095898
>>510085751 (OP)
It's not rocks you massive faggot. Go on with your neverending search for tentacle sucubus loli irl action.
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 4:54:39 PM No.510096180
>>510092508
if you're going to go into science denialism there's no point in talking anymore
TMI had a measurable impact on health and wellbeing of those down-plume
Replies: >>510096935
Anonymous ID: k9ntbbkGUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 4:55:27 PM No.510096235
>>510085929
NOOOOOOOOOOOO it's REALLY safe now, it wasn't safe before because, duh, accidents. But we really figured out everything that could go wrong this time. You, YOU SPECIFICALLY is what's holding it back.
Anonymous ID: 11zqlcLzBrazil
7/11/2025, 4:58:44 PM No.510096453
>>510085751 (OP)
fake environmentalists activist ruined nuclear decades ago, whenever you see a green peace activist, specially the ((old guard)), just punch them directly in the face. They deserve it.
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 4:58:49 PM No.510096464
>>510095710
There's also the issue that SMRs have higher manpower requirements per mw.
Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 4:59:43 PM No.510096533
>>510094974
a hydrogen deflagration damaged TMI-2
https://www.osti.gov/biblio/5330864
it could just as well have been a detonation, given more time or a higher rate of H2 generation
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:01:31 PM No.510096658
>>510085751 (OP)
I think the initial step forward to this in the US is to make the shareholders individually responsible. And also the building company must prefund an account to return the site to its natural condition if it stops generating.
Replies: >>510096763
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:03:41 PM No.510096763
>>510096658
>The way to make nuclear more successful in America is to increase costs for building nuclear
Instead of having three reactors built over 40 years we'd have zero reactors ever built again.
Replies: >>510097244
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:03:51 PM No.510096781
>>510095799
>to reduce the complexity and cost of the designs

That's exactly what commonwealth fusion systems is about. By changing the superconducting materials the field strength goes way up and the reactor can be made much smaller.

compare the scale of this:
https://cfs.energy/devens-campus/overview

to the scale of iter (the animation of the front page is great).
https://www.iter.org/
Replies: >>510097051
Anonymous ID: +Jr36psWUnited Kingdom
7/11/2025, 5:05:40 PM No.510096908
>>510085751 (OP)
try not having the US set off underwater nukes that stir up earthquakes and tidal waves - it tends to make power stations more dependable
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:06:08 PM No.510096935
>>510096180

It was nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island_accident_health_effects
Replies: >>510097479
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:06:38 PM No.510096970
>>510094147
>It's expensive to acquire the machine tools necessary to build the places that build the parts
That's essentially because the US can not build a nuclear site to the actual standards that are theoretically developed by its designers. I don't know, those standards might be what is actually needed to make a safe plant or they might be the result of the lobbying of the competing energy industry.

Essentially, I will never want something with so much potential catastrophe built in the US, since the US form of government has legalized bribery baked into its foundational docs.

And the proof is already here, just look at previous coal generating sites.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:07:46 PM No.510097051
>>510096781
>(the animation of the front page is great).
*animation -> sorry that is probably a drone flythough.
Anonymous ID: LgbBlBk+United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 5:08:20 PM No.510097096
>>510085751 (OP)
The future is plasma.
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:08:49 PM No.510097244
>>510096763
Well like I said, a foundationally corrupt form of government and nuclear probably do not go together. If it's in the US, it's in a capitalist system, so it's potential failures need dealt with in a capitalist way.
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Anonymous ID: ae4XF7+gRomania
7/11/2025, 5:11:37 PM No.510097479
>>510096935
it was something and the nuclear lobby is still spending money to discredit researchers and bury research
but the raw mortality data isn't going anywhere
Anonymous ID: LgbBlBk+United Kingdom
7/11/2025, 5:13:43 PM No.510097612
>>510091245
We are going to get plasma reactors with over unity running on water in the next 10 years.
There is a reason why they now say water isn't a human right.
Anonymous ID: hrnOD1evUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:15:37 PM No.510097742
>>510085929
>>never mind that nuclear power plants are a huge liability during war
If they are such why does Israel blow them up then? see >>510086817
If they are so dangerous and could spread radioactivity and melt down? Also Japan literally let Fukishima melt down and almost nothing happened outside of spewing radiation
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:18:17 PM No.510097908
>>510097244
Is subsidizing an industry for the good of the nation a form of corruption? Corporate pragmatism and a lack of subsidies is the reason American steel and shipbuilding industries collapsed into irrelevance, there's zero reason for a company to build ships in America when they can be built in Asia for cheaper with the same or higher quality. Likewise there's no reason for a company to invest in nuclear when other forms of generation are cheaper to build and result in less public backlash. As for holding shareholders accountable, they are.

All US nuclear plants are insured by a trust of several large insurance companies, I forget the amount the insurance covers, but I believe it's something like 100 million or 500 million in damages. In the event that that is surpassed the nuclear industry collectively has to foot the entire remaining costs even if the plant that suffered damages wasn't their's. For reference whatever insurance covers even TMI didn't surpass the insurance requirements.
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Anonymous ID: Y8XPcVIYUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:18:36 PM No.510097931
>>510085751 (OP)
Yeah, it's pretty fucked that green commies and design problems with a couple of reactors based on 70 year old technology killed the whole industry. But now that kikes want to run AI server farms, suddenly its in vogue.
But, yeah, thorium salt reactors can basically run indefinitely with refueling and pretty much burn down long-lived fission isotopes if they just remain in suspension. They are also fail-safe, something breaks, it shuts down.
With some refinement, you'd have almost unlimited energy. And it'd cost a fraction of what's been wasted on niggers the last half century.
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Anonymous ID: jKY+puIqUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:28:56 PM No.510098527
>>510097931
>It just shuts down
Obviously not every time you fucking mouth breathing ape. Humans can't even keep the shit they need to not explode from not exploding. Corners will always be cut, training will always not be enough, Weather will always happen, and running a 2,200 degree pool of lava circulating a radioactive sphere in every backyard in America is going to end badly.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 5:30:56 PM No.510098646
prodigal consumption
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>>510085751 (OP)
Adam Smith was not creating a new ideology. He was making an observation about history. What was new about this era in history is industrialization and the adoption of hydrocarbon energy resources. Even though you input energy to obtain the hydrocarbons, the value of its potential does not match your input. This is what Adam Smith call "prodigal consumption". What he means is that basically you are just an energy consoomer. Oil is not capital because you didn't make it. You just found it in the ground and it comes out of your oil faucet. The demand to extract that energy requires you to immerse yourself in the stupid end products of industrial society that denies you life and requires you to exhaust yourself in futile efforts. Everything that you desire can be quantified by the ability to construct right angles in nature with energy you never had to make, and thus anything that threatens this is swiftly annihilated and conformed to its consumption habits. Yeah I mean the point here is that you didn't make that energy. You just found it. You are more like monkeys in a feeding frenzy who found a pile of bananas, and this is the best description of a leftists. You see, when you have to actually make your energy you can't live like a bimbo faggot. The faggotry is too expensive for energy producers.

The reason why you can't do cool things like nuclear energy is because nuclear energy is more like an energy machine or energy actuator. It is fixed capital. It does not compare at all to the hydrocarbons that are just there in the ground that you harvest from your oil faucet. But even if you had a box full of infinite energy you would still have to use that to make hydrocarbons. So as it turns out, you already have free energy. It doesn't get any better than hydrocarbons. It is this very fact that you did not have to make these hydrocarbons, that they just exist there for you and its free to obtain, is why you have all the problem that you have.
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Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:34:28 PM No.510098856
>>510097908
Lobbying resulted in our healthcare system to essentially become a legalized drug dealer, ie the opioid crisis.
No, our political system cannot handle something that is so dangerous.

I see all the coal ash sites not being addressed. EPA, state EPA, local gov has not required the company to remedy the site, no fucking nuclear.
I don't care what insurance is setup in this corrupt system.
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Anonymous ID: n9+yBKBj
7/11/2025, 5:35:36 PM No.510098913
>>510086199
it will happen brother, Cars will run on these "batteries". I'm not sure if it will be a battery or other kind of device but sure as hell it will be atomic
Anonymous ID: Y8XPcVIYUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:35:41 PM No.510098924
>>510098527
Nigger. This country burns 100quads of energy every fucking year and you can count the people that die from that effort on one hand.
Outside of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nuclear energy has probably killed around a hundred people in the last century.
You're a fucking retard and dickheads like you are why we are where we are with energy policy today.
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Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:39:44 PM No.510099184
>>510098856
>Lobbying resulted in our healthcare system to essentially become a legalized drug dealer, ie the opioid crisis.
That wasn't a matter of subsidies

>I see all the coal ash sites not being addressed. EPA, state EPA, local gov has not required the company to remedy the site,
What's that have to do with nuclear? Have any decomissionings gone wrong? We have like five ongoing decomissionings.
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Anonymous ID: Sf1FS4sV
7/11/2025, 5:41:01 PM No.510099280
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>>510098924
>Nigger. This country burns...

coal.

ftfy, you nigger loving faggot.
Anonymous ID: Sf1FS4sV
7/11/2025, 5:42:18 PM No.510099374
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Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:42:34 PM No.510099400
>>510099184
No nuclear, you nuclear energy AI bot. Not until I see my governments act in my interest and not in the interest of businesses.
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Anonymous ID: Sf1FS4sV
7/11/2025, 5:43:15 PM No.510099450
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coal or nuclear? when it coms to mutts, you already know...

sheeeeeeeeeit!
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:45:21 PM No.510099591
>>510099400
>Act in my interest
>By continuing economic dependence on hostile countries and continuing the economic decline of our country
Not that I care, I'll have a job in nuclear until I retire.
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Anonymous ID: XVVnlp8/
7/11/2025, 5:45:50 PM No.510099624
NUKE NUKE NUKE
NUKE NUKE NUKE
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>>510085751 (OP)
Very soon…
Anonymous ID: jKY+puIqUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:46:02 PM No.510099637
>>510098924
What about deaths contributing to? What about permanently contaminated locations like in St Louis, Central Washington, Pennsylvania, Nevada, who all have statistically higher cases of cancers from being located there? But we haven't had a big oopsie in a second, so surely it's safe to multiply this effort by 1000%, and I'm sure everyone involved is the smartestest in the world about this and would never make any mistakes or sacrifice any expense due to cost. Thank God we figured it out!
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Anonymous ID: nYbicYexUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:46:13 PM No.510099655
Okay but, isnt the steam from the boiled water radioactive? Isn't the water used on the magic rock become radioactive? I honestly have no idea how this shit works.
Replies: >>510099721 >>510100217 >>510100240
Anonymous ID: jKY+puIqUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:47:02 PM No.510099721
>>510099655
Yes but they say it isn't
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:47:46 PM No.510099776
https://www.iter.org/videos?id=31954

iter is probably a bad example, because the overhead in creating a global effort added so much cost, and managerial burden it will likely be obsolete before it is turned on. (The US alone may have something working before then).

But still, nihilism might be fun in a shitposting thread, but we can build pretty incredible stuff.
Anonymous ID: HdGoN4amUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:48:48 PM No.510099853
For most of my life I thought it was some ultra-complicated thing. Then I found out it just gets really hot, and makes steam to turn a crank.
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Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:49:35 PM No.510099915
>>510099591
Sorry bud, it's not mine nor your fault we were born into a system that can't support any infrastructure beyond fossil fuels. Our form of gov is from the 1700s, europes is from 1900s, of course there will be a difference.
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Anonymous ID: n9+yBKBj
7/11/2025, 5:49:44 PM No.510099925
>>510099853
Same...
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:51:18 PM No.510100045
>>510099637
lol, then if you get it operating, you'll have affirmative action putting the most competent people at the chair.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:53:33 PM No.510100217
>>510099655
not really. In modern designs the water that circulates though the core (and therefore has neutrons zipping through it making it slightly radioactive) is separate from the water that runs though the steam turbines. There is a heat exchanger between the two water loops.

in reactor designs called BWR (boiling water reactor) the water around the (clad) fuel elements boils and goes to the steam turbine.

http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2018/ph241/owusu2/
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Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:53:56 PM No.510100240
>>510099655
>Okay but, isnt the steam from the boiled water radioactive?
Potentially. The US uses two types of reactor, pressurized water reactor (PWR) and boiling water reactor (BWR). A PWR pressurizes the water going through the core to keep it liquid, it then uses heat exchangers called steam generators to transfer the heat from the superheated water to cold water creating steam. That steam is clean. A BWR does use the same water from the core which is boiled to spin the turbines.

>Isn't the water used on the magic rock become radioactive?
Yes but it's a closed loop and water from the contaminated systems remains in the contaminated systems or in on site tanks. The water is re-cooled via fresh water from a nearby lake or river which is kept entirely separate from the contaminated system. The water vapour coming from a cooling tower is just lake water and cooling towers only exist so you don't have to dump a ton of 120 degree water into a lake a cause an algae bloom.
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:54:59 PM No.510100305
>>510099915
Europe is even more fucked when it comes to nuclear. Really only China is bothering with nuclear due to massive government subsidies.
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Anonymous ID: 7qyCaowRUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:55:36 PM No.510100347
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The cold war mindbroke the boomers so fucking hard they passed it down to their kids. So now we've had 3 generations of Americans convinced radiation is arcane death magic and that every nuclear power plant is one stiff breeze away from turning into a mushroom cloud. Even now when we're finally starting to move past that there are still so many people who lose their minds any time nuclear power is mentioned as an alternative to FF.
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Anonymous ID: nYbicYexUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:56:08 PM No.510100388
>>510100217
Oh that makes sense, a heat exchanger. Duh. Thanks.
Anonymous ID: eDGMGONsUnited States
7/11/2025, 5:56:40 PM No.510100436
>>510100347
Blame the Simpsons.
Anonymous ID: USyqpMu8United States
7/11/2025, 5:59:38 PM No.510100655
>>510085751 (OP)
nuketards are really stupid and scammy
trader bros will not run a nuclear plant well
tech bros will not either
retards that use the web to sound smart will definitely not run it well either
it's too risky
nuclear will not grow much
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 5:59:49 PM No.510100668
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If you want nuclear energy this is what you have to do:
a) You have to capture your natural resources. Why? Because you don't have then. Yeah that's right, you don't own your natural resources. Faggots are consuming them for their pleasure and arresting you for saying nigger on the internet. So the purpose of obtaining your natural resources is not to use them all as quickly as possible. That is what is already happening. The purpose is to control them. Under these circumstances you don't need to ask for a loan or a law or a politician. They need to ask you and the answer is no for a foggot
b) You then take that energy and resources and build capital. Why? Because you don't have any. Yeah thats right consooming oil is not actual value or wealth. So the objective is to use the oil to build resources that do not require oil. Because when those oil reserves dip below an EROEI no longer capable of maintaining complex human life, all infrastructure dependent on oil will be worth nothing, and all you will have left is fixed capital which is nothing. The faggots consooming your oil now will just blame you anyway when they can't consoom faggotry. What they really mean is the world they created is entirely evil and naming you a bad guy is actually the whole point of it.

Something like this but better
>https://www.academia.edu/5517657/The_Putin_Thesis_and_Russian_Energy_Policy#loswp-work-container
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Anonymous ID: USyqpMu8United States
7/11/2025, 6:00:34 PM No.510100718
>>510100347
see? Another nuketard
it is a waste of time and money
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:01:44 PM No.510100795
>>510100305
There is absolutely no way we are outperforming w europe in nuclear safety.
Or do you mean europe is more skeptical of nuclear than we are? I bet that's the case. I wouldn't call it fucked, I'd call it good.
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Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:04:33 PM No.510100986
>>510100347
I think we've just had three generations of our government fucking us over to benefit businesses. So, they are skeptical our political system can support nuclear.

You will not delete the memory of utility and industry pollution with AI bots shilling nuclear.
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Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:05:55 PM No.510101090
>>510100795
>There is absolutely no way we are outperforming w europe in nuclear safety.
We absolutely are. Their nuclear plants are fucking cesspits compared to American plants.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:09:51 PM No.510101368
>>510100668
This is a little too cynical. You can follow the technological arc of this. The British figured out how to make steel, but they needed charcoal. So they cut down all the forests on the British isles to make it to make steel. When they ran out of trees, they said, "well fuck", and started using coal. But those coal mines, as they went deeper hit the water table and that was that. So they invented the steam engine to run pumps to be able to mine below the water table. Somebody else figured out that you could take those same steam engines and run factories instead of running factories from waterwheels. This let you move factories away from rivers.

So now you had a great material (steel) and you had the ability to run your factories on a cheap fuel (coal). This is the industrial revolution - say 1870's. Liquid hydrocarbons (oil) came later.

All of science and industry is built on this foundation, and people found it unambiguously good - so we have continued that trajectory to the point that those energy resources are becoming scarcer and harder to access.

All this means is we are going to move to something else. You know that is going to happen because the average person is not going to say "I want to live in privation instead". The only other 'something' we have rn is nuclear. So that is what we are going to do - and that is as preordained as the stars in the sky and human nature itself.
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Anonymous ID: 3iw58aO1
7/11/2025, 6:10:46 PM No.510101420
dismantle civilization because it's a system of oppression
>>510085751 (OP)
but it doesn't stop white people from being able to say the n-word in their heads
if it can't do that then it nreds to be destroyed
>nothing can do that nigger
THEN EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED OOK OOK REEEEEEEEEDEE
Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:11:02 PM No.510101439
>>510101090
Bullshit. The lifespan of working class whites in the US started increasing less than euro working class whites 60 years ago, and recently working class US whites lifespan actually went down while euros kept going up.

It would take a lot of work to make the claim they don't beat our safety record. But, you have a financial interest in nuclear, so what you say everyone is skeptical of.
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Anonymous ID: gC49z9FQUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:16:57 PM No.510101855
>>510101368
The adoption of coal/steam factories was absolute hell nightmare on earth. That's because they had a political system that didn't actually act in their interest. Euro is more modern, but US everyone needs to watch out.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:19:20 PM No.510102045
>>510101855
he says as he posts on the internet, dressed in synthetic clothing, with a body made strong by medical tech, probably educated for 20+ years instead of being a child laborer.

All paid for by the technological tools that he now curses over a latte.
Anonymous ID: wouNW3utCanada
7/11/2025, 6:19:40 PM No.510102067
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>>510085751 (OP)
>>510085929
Nuclear is extremely irritating as a concept for me. On paper, I want to be pro-nuclear for all the benefits and the overall safety with proper respect for how utterly wrong nuclear can go. In practice I have to be anti-nuclear because I can't trust the state to have the good sense to not engage in it's usual diversity hiring and general bullshit on an area where incompetence can have apocalyptic results. Imagine living near a nuclear plant perpetually dreading the day quantlederious washington or plopjeet turns your home into a radioactive exclusion zone because he thought the plant just sounded like that when the alarm buzzer was going off
Anonymous ID: 7qyCaowRUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:28:12 PM No.510102627
>>510100986
If thats your only argument then we should just burn society to the ground and go live in caves since thats really the only way to escape the downsides every form of energy production has. They all poison the world, they all alter the landscape, and they all fuck over some people, somewhere, in some way.
Anonymous ID: IHdZtmpHUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:32:09 PM No.510102867
>>510101439
>Thinking accidents from workplace deaths have an appreciable effect on average lifespan. You could triple the number of workplace deaths in Europe and remove all workplace deaths in America and the stats would be little different.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 6:36:06 PM No.510103117
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>>510101368
>All this means is we are going to move to something else.
That what I am describing, but first you have to understand what is preventing that from occurring. Oversupply of energy is a pathological state for all biological systems. I have just described all of your problems in one sentence. Here is the full article: https://x.com/ErectusRex/status/1908911569804943827
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:52:41 PM No.510104321
>>510103117
>Oversupply of energy is a pathological state for all biological systems.

bullshit. The entire history of our species has been about energy; getting enough energy to run our own brain. Farming itself was a technical innovation for that that resulted in the need to build other technologies that resulted in civilization itself. If you point to diabetes that is because evolution can't keep up; but that itself is nothing new as learning is a mechanism to outrace evolutionary adaptation.

That article smacks of ideological defeatism. We can outrace the end of carbon sources - we have the tech. Most of the coherent arguments against it here against are speaking to the limits of other social tech to support it - but we have faced that before - ex farming.

This is nothing new. Go die in a cave if you want.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 6:56:10 PM No.510104557
>>510104321
I'll repost that article. Hilarious.

https://x.com/ErectusRex/status/1908911569804943827
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:02:20 PM No.510104981
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>>510101368
>All this means is we are going to move to something else.
As it turns out a free market will never invest in capital if it can consoom for free. In state of oversupply and prodigal consumption It will not occur without control. this is what you do not have
>>510101368
here is the article: https://x.com/ErectusRex/status/1908911569804943827
Here is the Grok: https://x.com/i/grok/share/lVadhjxW3HEd99Bb01kFKzIfY

What you fail to explain is why why you fail. You say, "oh it will just happen". So where is it? Where is your capital?
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:04:13 PM No.510105088
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>>510101368
>All this means is we are going to move to something else.
As it turns out a free market will never invest in capital if it can consoom for free. In state of oversupply and prodigal consumption It will not occur without control. this is what you do not have
>>510104321
here is the article: https://x.com/ErectusRex/status/1908911569804943827
Here is the Grok: https://x.com/i/grok/share/lVadhjxW3HEd99Bb01kFKzIfY

What you fail to explain is why why you fail. You say, "oh it will just happen". So where is it? Where is your capital?
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Anonymous ID: BvGxT2D9United States
7/11/2025, 7:04:28 PM No.510105109
>>510085751 (OP)
>magic rocks boil water
>use steam to turn wheel
>yay electricity
its funny that nuclear power is bitch fucking basic rudimentary and we should be fucking ashamed of how we are harnessing that power
Anonymous ID: weqm+wZRUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:06:06 PM No.510105209
>>510085929
You are unbelievably ignorant
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:20:24 PM No.510106184
>>510105088
This isn't an on/off switch. You can see the price action in markets. Oil scarcity drives up prices that makes other forms of energy more attractive and drives technical innovation (fracking) that makes it less expensive.

I also disagree with the assessment on investment. Investment in the way that article thinks of it isn't quite right. Squirreling away money or gold, etc means very little. You need to invest in things that make things that people want, or will want in the future. I also disagree with the assessment that carbon based resources are 'free'. It takes substantial capital and engineering to find and snake a steerable drill bit some miles horizontally into a reservoir - which we can and do do. It is that level of capital intensiveness that a nuclear or fusion plant is competing against, not plucking an apple from a tree. And it has always been this way - from those 1800's coal mines certainly.

And it isn't like this stuff is that complex - The first controlled reactor was built in 1942. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:29:43 PM No.510106884
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>>510106184
>I also disagree with the assessment that carbon based resources are 'free'. It takes substantial capital and engineering to find and snake a steerable drill bit some miles horizontally into a reservoir - which we can and do do.
nigger look: >>510098646
>This isn't an on/off switch.
nigger look: Grok: https://x.com/i/grok/share/lVadhjxW3HEd99Bb01kFKzIfY

you didn't make the oil. that is not capital if it matures at a value of zero where is the capital? point to it and tell me. you don't have any. Because it is so much easier for a faggot to consoom energy that is free until its all gone and that is where you are at now.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:36:54 PM No.510107408
>>510106184
Scott Bessent described the two completing economic theories as followed:
a) cogs in a machine
b) a livingin organism
Guess which one you are
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:39:26 PM No.510107566
>>510106884
BUT THAT OIL ISN'T FREE. The capital taken to extract it into a form that is utilitarian comes from the outer market. In that sense it is no different from solar or nuclear. There is no problem. Ok the EROI may be dropping to oil.
>>510092341
Look at this bitch, please. There are no limits here. Want more? reprocess. Want more? thorium. Want more? fusion. We have got 1000 years in the bag technologically speaking - whatever we are at the end of that may not even be biological.

I skimmed your llm based handjob (and felt dirty). I already touched on some of the 'points'. Don't outsource your thinking to a 'machine' you dirty pleb.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:40:59 PM No.510107671
>>510107408
As humans, we are absolutely both. The civilizations we create are technological extensions allowing us to collaborate and scale. That isn't disturbing, nor should it be.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:41:04 PM No.510107679
>>510106184
grok:
Human Governance: Oil as an Open-Loop SubsidyRex argues that governance has leaned on oil abundance to avoid feedback-driven corrections, like printing money or building institutions without resource backing. This is a governance system operating as an open-loop controller—no negative feedback to adjust policy when resources dwindle. In control terms, this is a lack of integral control: errors (e.g., debt, inefficiency) accumulate without correction because oil’s energy surplus masks the need. The post’s point about politicians treating errors as expenses rather than corrections aligns with a system ignoring sensor data—until the energy runs out.

Recent data backs this up. The March 2025 OPEC decision to cut production by 1.5 million barrels daily (per Reuters, March 15, 2025) signals a tightening energy market, forcing governments to confront diminishing returns on oil investment. Rex’s prediction of demand exceeding production in a few years (circa 2027-2028) is plausible given current drilling trends—U.S. shale output peaked in 2024, and new wells yield 30% less per dollar than in 2015 (EIA, 2025 report). This is a control system losing gain, where input energy no longer sustains output stability.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:44:02 PM No.510107889
>>510106184
Grok:
Core Framework: Control Theory Applied to Energy OversupplyControl theory is the backbone of understanding how systems—biological or societal—maintain stability through feedback loops. In biological systems, homeostasis relies on negative feedback (e.g., insulin regulating blood glucose) and integral control (accumulating errors over time to adjust set points). Rex’s post posits that an oversupply of cheap energy, particularly hydrocarbons, disrupts these mechanisms, creating an open-loop system where feedback is muted. Let’s break this down.

Biological Systems: Energy Oversupply as a Control FailureThe post highlights metabolic dysregulation (e.g., obesity) as a consequence of energy oversupply. From a control perspective, this is a classic case of an oversaturated input overwhelming regulatory capacity. Normally, biological systems operate with a proportional-integral-derivative (PID) control structure:
-Proportional: Immediate response to energy imbalance (e.g., hunger signals).
-Integral: Long-term correction (e.g., fat storage adjusted by metabolic rate).
-Derivative: Anticipatory adjustment (e.g., thermogenesis to burn excess).

With abundant oil-derived food (fertilizers, processing, transport), the system faces a glut that exceeds the derivative’s predictive capacity and saturates the integral term, leading to futile cycling (wasted energy) or oxidative stress (e.g., reactive oxygen species damaging cells). The NCBI study on metabolic cancer suppression (2020) supports this: excess energy removes energetic limitations on cell proliferation, akin to a control system losing its upper bound, accelerating oncogenesis. This mirrors Rex’s evolutionary mismatch—our ancestral systems evolved for scarcity, not the 200-mph energy deluge of modern life.
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:45:10 PM No.510107971
>>510107679
Opec plays games with the oil markets to maximize the profitability of their cartel. In no small part their price action exists to bankrupt US shale producers, because the US's cost of production sets a floor on global oil prices.

There are no dwindling energy resources - only the need to switch to different ones. Stop outsourcing your thinking.
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Anonymous ID: re9rHekgUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:46:15 PM No.510108057
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>>510095832
They’re currently building the largest nuclear power station ever in Texas to power a load of AI datacenters
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Anonymous ID: 4A1Evx4b
7/11/2025, 7:47:11 PM No.510108132
>>510085751 (OP)
>use nuclear energy just to boil fucking water
why not solar then?
Anonymous ID: xJltXxAyBrazil
7/11/2025, 7:47:23 PM No.510108147
>>510085751 (OP)
it's note because "it's not safe", it's just the US trying to delay global nuclear weapon development.

See what happened to Iran. CIA used Hollywood actors, the media and academics to create this fear of nuclear energy, which is delaying humanity's progress by hundreds of years.

The US is a cancer in this world.
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:48:06 PM No.510108198
>>510107889
>our ancestral systems evolved for scarcity, not the 200-mph energy deluge of modern life.

Evey element of the human experience is about outstripping evolutionary limits. We have done so - look at intelligence - an evolved system that adapts faster than rote behaviors. Look at the collaboration that we form forming civilizations that war with each other. What is DNA anyway? It hasn't been a limit, even to itself.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:52:30 PM No.510108516
>>510107566
>BUT THAT OIL ISN'T FREE
you didn't make it. If had to make it you couldn't afford to use it as energy.
>The capital taken to extract it
A natural resource is not capital. capital is a store of value. This is basic. What is oil refinery worth when EROEI hits 5:1?
>>510107566
>There are no limits here. Want more? reprocess. Want more? thorium. Want more? fusion.
where is it? you can't do it because you don't control your natural resources. why wtf
>Don't outsource your thinking to a 'machine' you dirty pleb.
The article is orginal. it is meant to be Groked.
>>510107671
>As humans, we are absolutely both.
wrong. they are diametrically opposed. A living system implies biological autonomy and control. The other is monke
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Anonymous ID: 25L6wCiSUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:54:13 PM No.510108634
>>510085799
I've been invested in nuclear ETFs for a couple years and lost money.

Bitcoin is the best play midterm because you can benefit off China and Russia and other countries using nuclear to add to Bitcoin's security.
Anonymous ID: 4IJ/6STrUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:55:20 PM No.510108706
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>>510085751 (OP)
Jews made up the nuclear weapons myth to scare people away from free energy. Now climate change (weather modification) is the new nukes.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 7:56:05 PM No.510108754
deliebrate deliberation
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>>510108198
being is limitation. What is the birthrate in the city nearest you?
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Anonymous ID: 4IJ/6STrUnited States
7/11/2025, 7:57:10 PM No.510108823
>>510085929
A guy proved radiation danger is overblown by eating uranium, exposing himself to lots of radiation, and never got cancer.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:00:42 PM No.510109062
>>510107971
the overwhelming tendency is to exaggerate reserve estimates. That is the difference found in the p data
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:00:56 PM No.510109081
>>510108823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDvk-8WYxYk

He was a genius, and radiation exposure was his field. Do not try at home.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:02:36 PM No.510109197
>>510108057
just 1? How many are being deactivated?
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Anonymous ID: re9rHekgUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:07:50 PM No.510109588
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>>510109197
Dozens. Just look it up. In addition to hundreds of new natural gas plants
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Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:07:59 PM No.510109596
>>510108754
>What is the birthrate in the city nearest you?
I am not saying we don't have issues. I am saying those issues are going to be overcome, and they will be overcome by those that do not quit.

>>510108516
If had to make it you couldn't afford to use it as energy.
clearly, but that is a meaningless argument. You didn't supply the energy for the food you eat either. You won't supply the energy to make the uranium (that was made in supernovas), you won't supply the energy for hydro, solar, or wind. All that matters is accessibility. We can access solar, and nuclear. nuclear seems to be the most practical short term.

>>What is oil refinery worth when EROEI hits
It will be cut up for scrap. Even the saudi's say the oil age will not end for a lack of oil though.

>>The other is monke
you are being silly. Wrong thread for this.
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:13:19 PM No.510109956
>>510109588
there are 2 nuclear power facilities being built and 3 scheduled for deactivation
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Anonymous ID: 1dkhjaQTUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:18:31 PM No.510110362
>>510085929
I have worked in a nuclear power plant (2 actually), and the safety standards, checks, and procedures are so insanely thorough and cumbersome, they actually become a liability.
Anonymous ID: re9rHekgUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:20:07 PM No.510110489
>>510109956
Why do you lie? I don’t get what you gain. Just one of the multiple projects is building four nuclear plants…
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Anonymous ID: a54XYOC0United States
7/11/2025, 8:21:11 PM No.510110572
>>510086739
Except that time, I think it was in Virginia or Pennsylvania, where hundreds are even thousands of square miles are burning underneath because they set the f****** coal mines on fire by accident.It's been burning for like fucking 50 years
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Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:21:25 PM No.510110593
>>510109596
>I am not saying we don't have issues.
yeah we all know that now that it has occurred and entrenched itself into our daily lives
>>510109596
>I am saying those issues are going to be overcome, and they will be overcome by those that do not quit.
like I said you fail to explain why you fail. I did not hesitate to provide the full explanation for you without your request
>>510109596
>clearly, but that is a meaningless argument
yes it is >>510107679
>You won't supply the energy to make the uranium (that was made in supernovas), you won't supply the energy for hydro, solar, or wind. All that matters is accessibility. We can access solar, and nuclear. nuclear seems to be the most practical short term.
these are all examples of fixed capital and do not compare at all to prodigal consumption. your reminder: >>510098646
>It will be cut up for scrap. Even the saudi's say the oil age will not end for a lack of oil though
is there not a better example of the overall problem than the Saudi economy? wasn't the most obese person to ever exist live in Saudi Arabia?
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Anonymous ID: EHTAo3QCUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:21:52 PM No.510110631
>>510110572
its Pa, very neat town, still on fire
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:32:18 PM No.510111357
>>510110593
look, you tard. There is no limit to energy availability- by any human metric. Any limits are artificial social caps we have the technology to do fission, with uranium, and or thorium, then we have the ability to do reprocessing too.

Go ask some llm to do the math for you.

your distinction against nuclear is just foolish. It takes infrastructure to exploit, just a different form than coal / oil / ng.

To break it down: you can mine uranium with a little refining put it in a reactor and get gobs of energy. Oil is no different. You 'mine' it. Process it in a refinery, and consume it. Any distinction is technological implementation. Oil is frozen solar energy captured by ancient plant life. Nuclear fission is frozen energy captured by ancient supernova. Both are under your feet.
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Anonymous ID: PRfa4t/ZUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:39:02 PM No.510111854
>>510085751 (OP)
Even better, the nuclear waste they fear monger about so much can be reused multiple times in breeder reactors and RTG batteries like they already do for space probes.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:41:01 PM No.510112002
>>510111357
>your distinction against nuclear is just foolish
no no I am only explaining why it is impossible for a faggot to do this. I then described how you can fix that:
a) take the resources because you don't have them
b) build capital because you don't have any

very simple and easy. so many people are doing it. i think it would be popular
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Anonymous ID: PRfa4t/ZUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:43:16 PM No.510112173
>>510087134
This concern already applies to a fuckton of things you dipshit. Go try to buy a ton of fertilizer. You can't. We have already seen recently what can happen even with it in storage but everyone just forgot about Beirut apparently.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 8:43:18 PM No.510112177
>>510110489
SMRs don't count as a full facility
Anonymous ID: iTxBIVgFUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:47:28 PM No.510112516
>>510112002
You have to be swinging by from leftypol. Your ideology is fundamentally zero net sum. You can make something from 'nothing'. Exploit resources and transform them into something more useful. You say this is bound to oil - as if it is magic. I say bullshit. We have built up the technological and social tools to exploit other energy resources. Civilization and (ick) capitalism have delivered for the win!

And yes, all sorts of people are doing it (well, not neets). Out there! In the 'real world'! People making and trading all kinds of things from basically dirt and scraps! In an 'economy'. Using 'technology'.
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Anonymous ID: PRfa4t/ZUnited States
7/11/2025, 8:47:45 PM No.510112549
All the retards in this thread screaming about "b-b-buh muh radiation" but REFUSE to talk about the measured radioactive particles coming from burning coal plants and shill nonstop for coal.
Anonymous ID: nU4jm808United States
7/11/2025, 9:02:50 PM No.510113643
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>>510112516
>You say this is bound to oil - as if it is magic. I say bullshit.
no I say the faggotry has bound itself to oil and you are bound to the faggotry. By force; forced faggotry
>We have built up the technological and social tools to exploit other energy resources
You can't do this because you can't control your resources. Your resources are effectively not yours and you cannot demonstrate that you control them
>You can make something from 'nothing'
perhaps, but you can't have nothing and call it something. you don't have capital. Burning oil for your dildo collection does not produce value
>capitalism
oil is not capital