Tariffs work.

>>510134816 (OP)
>retard thinks paying more is a win

Congrats Trump you managed to raise taxes and the GOP applauded

>>510134887
You don't pay this tax if you buy American.

Taxes raise revenue we know that

Off to Pissrael and Uksuck

>>510134816 (OP)
So the government collected more money from you and you enjoy this?
Yet another example of a dumbfuck who, like trump, doesn't understand tariffs.

>>510134816 (OP)
What happened to TACO?

>>510135048
Anything of decently complexity that is made in America still uses parts and supply lines from overseas.

>>510135048
Do you genuinely think that we don't need trade with other countries??

>>510134878
We don't actually depend on the rest of the world for anything we *need*. It's all business arrangements and conveniences we *want*.

The things that are being hit by tarriffs are basically the candy bars and arbitrage trades of the economy. The US has enough land and material to go isolationist right now. Of course, you'd have to start choosing from the 30 year backlog of functioning electronics if you wanted something cheap.

>>510135279
All we need is food clothes and a job. That can all be done here.

>>510135222
Dead simple parts that are made in glorified sheds staffed by retards. I see a path to citizenship for paco here.

>>510134816 (OP)
How does this affect me personally?

>>510135400
You'll never understand people if you think that's all they need.

Of course they Do Work.

>>510134816 (OP)
Who do you think is paying for them?

>>510136392
Importers and retards who pay their increased prices to offset them.

>>510136973
Like I have a choice. Not like I can get phone parts from yee old artisanal mom & pop shop down the road

>>510134816 (OP)
It’s just a tax so it’s basically a win for Israel. We pay more in taxes and Israel’s financial security is secured.

>>510135048
Nothing is made in America. That was the excuse for this tax in the first place. Trump argued it force manufacturing to move back to the U.S. and instead we just pay double on consumer products.

>510137230
>baiting this hard
terrible.

>>510134878
k memeflag.
Funny how the tariffs that were supposed to bankrupt us all in a week or two lasted up to 6 months and everyone else is pissy and whining while the rest of us still eat good and live good.
Must be a skill issue on your end if you aren't seeing bennies.
Maybe skintone.

>>510135048
kek yes you do by paying more to buy American

>>510134816 (OP)
Work for whom?

>>510134816 (OP)
>Charges extra taxes on everything we buy in the US
>Puts it in the Treasury
>Where did this extra money come from?
How fucking stupid are MAGA tardlets?

>>510134816 (OP)
>treasury has a surplus
>37 trillion dollars in debt
lol

>>510134878
Inflation hasn't budged since Trump instituted tariffs, and didn't in his first term, you fucking retard.

>>510135279
Everything Americans buy and use could be made in America. It could be done. There are some raw natural resources we don't have much of, like some rare earths supposedly.
The reason all this stuff we buy isn't made in America, is because it's cheaper to buy it from other countries. That's not a good thing, it means America loses those industries which have offshored. They aren't coming back until it gets bad enough here that workers are so desperate that they will do those jobs for much cheaper than overseas. That's going to be very bad for us. It's already happening. It will get much worse.

>>510134816 (OP)
Send it to Israel because they are gods chosen people.

>>510134816 (OP)
>fake the math
>UNEXPECTED SURPLUS

>>510139956
>durr, how come tariff make treasury go up?! cnn said it make number go down :(
Countries exporting goods here are the ones having to pay tariffs, even if companies importing that shit have to sell them for more to maintain profit margins, nigger. If tariffs were universally bad, then countries wouldn't be tariffing the shit out of US goods to force a trade deficit that benefits them. Eat a dick, economic brainlet.

>>510135048
...unless the American alternatives raise their prices to match because you won't have any other option.
Of course I say "you" but YOU are not even American.

>>510139956
>Charges extra taxes on everything we buy in the US
Import prices and export prices have gone down though not up. Food and energy prices have gone down and the rise in car prices never manifested either. The Media conned you into being anti labor to own the conservatives

>>510142654
>economic brainlet.
ironic

>>510134816 (OP)
Raising taxes does increase revenue into the government.

>>510137230
>and instead we just pay double on consumer products.
we aren't though...

>>510135375
>We don't actually depend on the rest of the world for anything we *need*.
we absolutely do

>>510142654
>Countries exporting goods here are the ones having to pay tariffs
I hope you are trolling nigger
>If tariffs were universally bad, then countries wouldn't be tariffing the shit out of US goods to force a trade deficit that benefits them.
They do it to encourage people to buy local instead of other countries. The problem with us, you fucking retard, is that we don't make anything so any tariff, we just have to eat.
>Eat a dick, economic brainlet.
Jeets have dicks?

>>510142968
tariffs*
taxes are on the citizens mexican bro.

>>510142654
>Countries exporting goods here are the ones having to pay tariffs
no

>>510141886
Trying to artificially structure your economy to have an equal share of every industry on earth is not a good idea. Being really good at a few things generates more wealth than being mediocre-shit at everything.

>>510143085
they are though. They aren't raising their prices are they and they paid the fucking tariff

>>510143056

I think the homos here are being retarded on purpose. The tariffs are to encourage all Americans to purchase American made things to support Americans. I can't think of anything I buy not made in the USA besides geek bars

>>510143202
They literally, unironically, unequivocally, do NOT pay the tariff. If you import a good from Ching Chong Commie Manufacturing Inc. you are paying the tariff. YOU. The person who imported it. And as far as raising the prices goes, yes, they have raised prices on the things that were tariffed. That's just a no-brainer.

You don't understand anything that you're talking about.

>>510143276
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/used-car-prices-may-hold-stable-amid-chaos/

>>510143306
You're literally using a computer retard. Did you drink coffee today? Do you take prescription medicine? Do you live in a wood house?

>>510143306
As if this shit is going to make me buy Amerimutt products

>>510134816 (OP)
People filling warehouses to avoid taxes, isn't working.

>>510143364
>they have raised prices on the things that were tariffed.
such as?

>>510143048
We don't have to import all of our food if we stop exporting it at a massive loss, incentivizing companies to move back here with tariffs is a long term plan that will strengthen our domestic markets more than continuing to wither by becoming more dependent on hostile nations for cheap consumer goods, and you basically admit tariffs are good for local economies in your own dumbfuck argument, you neovagina-having tranny.

>>510134816 (OP)
100% of the automotive assembly factory jobs in the US exist SOLELY because of tariffs. You are damned right they work. There is a cost, but you cannot say they are universally good or bad. That is the kind of black and white theoretical thinking that only exists in academia.

>>510135210
Dont worry Trump is still a chicken. I think he needs a televised cognitive test.

>>510143413
>used car prices

>>510143449
My nigger I refuse to sit here and start naming random fucking products when you didn't even understand who actually paid the tariff. You're a bot or an NPC, either way you're not worth it.

>>510135400
Food
Imported from Mexico.
Clothing made in sweatshops, better get out of the basement wageslave.
Job supported bu businesses and an economy dependent on global trade.
I find you reductionism pitiable.

>>510135048

The only "taxes" I pay are the tariffs on foreign goods because I refuse to buy american, not that any of the things I actually want to buy are made in america in the first place. We dont make synthesizers. We dont make the good guitars. We dont make the good games or figures/models I buy and build. We dont make any of the software that im going to actually be purchasing instead of pirating for the first time ever. Im willing to pay more for the things I like now because fuck this country.

>>510135665
Higher prices fewer goods. Get ready to work more and have less.

>>510143514
blanket, non-targeted tariffs of goods is the dumbest fucking idea on the planet and economic suicide.

>>510134816 (OP)
They do, but it can't actually account for the entire surplus. April is ALWAYS a surplus (der tax day). May is always a hardcore loss because of returns.. June is when it eases off to the normal distro which should be a net negative of 80b. To swing that more than 100b says something else is afoot.

>>510143528
>Bill Clinton under a Republican majority for the first time since 1930 cuts welfare, opens up our market to foreign investment via NAFTA which fucked us later anyway, and the budget deficit disappears
>praised for all eternity despite being an actual Epstein Island visitor and giant Neo Liberal who started "The third American revolution" to "make America not a European country"
>Trump does the same thing but with tariffs instead and some restrictions to immigration
>Same thing happens
>retards complain
Are you actual right wingers? Or are you new from twitter?

>>510143448
receipts, retard.

>>510143575
>New car prices have risen very little, remaining almost flat in May. Used car prices actually dropped in May.

>>510143430
Luxury item. Luxury item. No Im in great shape for my age. Yes my home is wood? Pier and beam foundation infact. That's really the best u have? Omg my coffee? Muh tranny gaming PC? My discord phone? And muh hrt scripts? U're the homo I was talking about

>>510143463
>We don't have to import all of our food
We don't you dumb bitch. We import about 15% of the overall food supply, which is mostly fresh fruits, vegetables, and seafood. We raise most of ours in CA and FL, but they can only grow so much.
>incentivizing companies to move back here with tariffs is a long term plan that will strengthen our domestic markets
How do you suppose you are going to convince people here to work for $2 an hour? Because that is the price to beat.
>you basically admit tariffs are good for local economies in your own dumbfuck argument, you neovagina-having tranny.
No, you illiterate nigger, I said that is why countries do it. It never really works it just causes counter tariffs. Please take your meds

Good lord it’s clear none of you have a legit career in a field in which you’d see the tariff impact first hand

Automotive procurement manager here.
I personally have resourced over $20M of aluminum spend to the US to avoid paying tariffs. GM, Stellantis, Ford Are avoiding them like the plague. Car prices have NOT went up. Period.

>>510143777
>To swing that more than 100b says something else is afoot.
We took in 350 billion dollars in 6 months via tariff revenue when between January 2024 and July 2024 we only took in 50 billion. Maybe that has something to do with it. Federal spending in Q1 2025 was 5.1% lower than Q1 2024 spending too. Maybe you people should keep up

>>510143828
>cars produced 6 months ago have not risen in price

>>510143110
Generates wealth for who? What is the point if it kills your country? Every businessman and investor selling out their own country for profit deserves to be killed, simple as.
Real wealth is living in a happy safe country. Living in a slum is not wealth, but that's where we're headed.

>>510134816 (OP)
Excellent, we only need about 1,380 more months like that to pay off our national debt!

>>510143449
If you buy a product from a company, even if you assume they are somehow eating a 35% markup, where the FUCK does that money ultimately come from? You fucking retard. What are they going to cut to make it up? Do you really think all these companies are enjoying a 50% margin that they can absorb a 35% tariff?

>>510143917
I just posted the link to Kelly Blue book article. I forget what the Trumptards were posting but another Japanese manufacturer is actually reducing their prices heavily right now despite tariffs.

tariffs might be the only area where trump delivered 100% what he said he would.

>>510143917
>Car prices have NOT went up. Period.
Why would they Tyrone? The ones gouging are the local car dealerships. And even they can't go up much more because people can't afford them. They are offering

>>510144003
You don’t understand the automotive industry at all. You think just because a car that is sitting out there right now was built pre tariff that it wouldn’t be effected? The goldstiens in sales IF trying to recover extra cost, immediately apply the increase to all sellable cars. The consumer doesn’t know better. NEXT

>>510134816 (OP)
It’s the same pattern every time but the so-called educated can’t ever see it

>>510144130
Have you ever heard of MSRP you wage cuck?

>>510134887
please share where you get your
American-grown bananas?

>>510143902
I have the same experience. Most republicans I know (friends, coworkers, neighbours) have all told me they regret voting for Trump. He promised lower egg prices, and instead got us into a trade war with our allies, women's and LGBTQ+ rights abolished, a billionaire has seized control of private citizen's data and federal funds, our military is about to invade Gaza (so much for no new wars lel), he's appointed literal traitors to his cabinet, armed ICE agents are raiding schools and children's hospitals, and EGG PRICES HAVENT GONE DOWN.
I know it's hard to admit you're wrong, but Trump is literally one of the biggest mistakes in American history.

>>510134816 (OP)
*sigh*
I miss the days when conservatives understood the concept of Comparative Advantage.
No, you don't pay taxes on American goods. But there are solid advantages to not producing *everything* at home. We trade precisely because it would be more expensive to produce those goods at home than to just trade for them. And more expensive goods inevitably eat into our purchasing power as consumers, meaning we just wind up with less than we otherwise would have.

https://www.cato.org/publications/comparative-advantage

Trade is not a zero-sum game.

>>510144167
Trump wants to negotiate a new trade deal to replace the one negotiated by Trump. Apparently he made a shit deal the last time but I guess this one will be better?

>>510135048
>You don't pay the gas tax if you buy electric

>>510144089
Just an FYI. Material costs make up 10-30% of the cost of a product. The total increase is much less than the cost increase of the tariff

>>510135048
We don't fucking make most things dumbass

>>510144794
We would if Trump wasn't a retard and if he actually set high tariffs and then didn't change his mind like a schizo retard.
Unfortuantely he is a retard, and it's fucking over American businesses big time because nobody wants to invest in new manufacturing because Trump keeps changing his mind every week and it's too risky.

>>510135048
This one simple trick causes shills to seethe.

>>510145127
No we wouldn't. A lot of the material to begin with is not made here and would still be tariffed

>>510145210
THEN MAKE IT HERE
If Trump is putting tariffs on raw materials that we don't have, well that's retarded. So it's in character and maybe he is doing that. But if it's anything manufactured then we can do it here.

>>510144007
You are describing an autarky, it's a complete fantasy and no country has ever prospered attempting this. Like the anon a few posts above it saying - comparative advantage - this is basic economics. If two parties only produce the things they are good at and trade instead of producing equal amounts of a variety of things themselves, more things are created in total. Wealth is not finite. Obviously in the real world we have exceptions like farming subsidies and other things considered strategically important and I'm not gonna argue if these specifically are worth it or not, I'm just going to say that attempting the same thing for literally every good and service in existence is really fucking dumb.

>>510145289
You need your head knocked for being a dumb-dumb right now.
Listen you stupid cocksucker, it doesn't matter if 0.0000001% get richer by offshoring, when it hurts the rest of us.
>um but da gee dee pee
Fuck you and die, nigger. Ever since they started doing fractional reserve (and now 0% reserve) money creation, GDP means nothing at all. So you must be talking about the wealth of the upper 0.0000001% who haven't yet gone bankrupt from this offshoring shit. They will eventually, but in the meantime everyone else is suffering badly from offshoring / importing things we COULD make here if it wasn't cheaper to do it offshore.

>>510135279
those vital needs are covered under tarriff exemptions

>>510135048
tarrifs reduce the available supply overall and lead to inflation, even if american production was sufficient to satisfy local demand.
also they lead to local products becoming less competitive on the global market compared to other nations, leading to lower export volumes.
t. WTO's strongest warrior.

>>510145753
Only if people buy on credit, which they wouldnt need to if they had better paying jobs, which they would if industry was brought back.
How are you all so completely stupid?
You aren't thinking more than 1 level deep. Stupid retard dumbfucks.

>>510134816 (OP)
trump was RIGHT
and we owe him an apology

>>510134816 (OP)
Yes. Republicans are willing to volunteer a shakedown for their daddy. That is in fact where we are.

It's like, look at the best time in American history. Probably the 60s.
How much shit did we import then? Not nearly as fucking much as now. How are things now? Fucked for most. It's a fucking struggle.
>But we have all this better technology and automation!
And it doesn't improve the lives of anyone except the business owners who invest in it.
>But the automation and machinery creates local jobs!
In industries where the workers have to compete with foreigners, which means salaries are crushed and product quality is low.

>>510145871
one truth about countries that import less is that their necessities are usually cheaper, everything else becomes more expensive, combine that with lower overall wages and you might not end up with what you wanted.
i dont know what you mean with 'Only if people buy on credit'.
t. WTO's strongest warrior.

>>510146159
>i dont know what you mean with 'Only if people buy on credit'.
Of course you don't, because you use words like "inflation" without having any idea how it happens.
When people spend money they borrowed, then it's new money that was created for the purpose of a loan. That directly creates inflation by increasing the money supply. It doesn't involve the government except the Federal Reserve which sets some rules about who is allowed to do that. Currently all depository institutions, like banks, are allowed to create infinite free money from literally nothing, when they issue loans. And that free magic money has to go away when the principal is repaid. So there are some rules to keep it from going to infinity.
When *some things* get more expensive, that does not create inflation, unless people are borrowing money to buy those things.
As long as it's only some things, then they can just not spend their money on those things. All the things people need are already made in the USA, like food and housing. So it would be things we don't strictly need that would become more expensive through tariffs, and it wouldn't necessarily cause inflation, depending on whether people decided to borrow money or not.

>>510145444
You are not being coherent. You claim free trade benefits only a handful but make no real case for why protectionism would be any different.
>because we'd have the jobs back
But there are still jobs. Unemployment never skyrocketed.
>umm, I mean, the GOOD jobs
How are the "lost" jobs demonstrably better than the current jobs that replaced them?

>>510146694
>How are the "lost" jobs demonstrably better than the current jobs that replaced them?
I hate you ignorant third worlders so much you have no idea. Have you ever been to the USA? It used to be an industrial powerhouse. Industrial jobs were plentiful and paid very well. A man could pay for a house, car, a stay at home wife, and afford to raise his kids comfortably, with one 40 hour a week factory job.
You can't do that here now. It's completely impossible. There aren't many factories (see: the Rust Belt) now, and the ones there are have to compete with the entire rest of the world on cost, which they can't really do so they cut every corner there is to cut and of course that includes wages/salaries.
So today if you want a job in a factory, you might get one, and it's going to pay very badly, have few or no benefits, and work you like a dog and you will work more than 40 hours a week and no the overtime does not make up for it.
>just get a better job
Every job right now is competing with either imported foreign products, or imported foreign labor.
The middle class is gone and the working class is being crushed to death. The only people profiting from this situation is the top fraction, and even they will be hurt by it as the quality of any product or service they want races to the bottom, which has been and continues to accelerate.

>>510146638
the problem isnt that you are wrong, since you are correct in stating that increase in money supply leads to general increase in prices.
but that is not the only factor in inflation, as anything that increases general prices leads to inflation.
let me demonstrate it with an example:
whether you think that its right or not, many people get many of their daily calories from non-essential food items like snacks and sodas, if those non-essential items were to disappear, it would lead to general inflation for food items.
why? because the calories that usually came from snacks will have to come from the other food items, leading to increase in demand.
tariffs also lead to general reduction in productivity, comparative advantage describes the issue, where you are forced to produce things that are simply not viable or competitive due to some limitations in your country(policy, ecology, technology, etc.).
a self-sufficient society is possible especially in a country like the US, but to say that it wont only lead to good outcomes, but better outcomes than a country that is globally integrated is questionable.
t. WTO's strongest warrior.

>>510147094
You do know the US's best economic period in history was mostly because WWII had ended right? America was the only country left after everyone else effectively got bombed into rubble and it made it extremely easy for you to expand outwards. What you're asking for is essentially WWIII, winning it, destroying everyone else in the process and making trillions of litres of oil appear out of thin air. It's just not in line with reality and trying to bring that period back will never work.

>>510134816 (OP)
Of course they do. Only Lolberts think they don't.

>>510134816 (OP)
And all of that Will go to Israel lmao

>>510147203
>tariffs also lead to general reduction in productivity
No, they don't. I was just talking to a higher up in a local manufacturing company yesterday and he was saying that in his industry, product demand is going up (probably because of tariffs), but his company and others aren't investing in new manufacturing right now because of uncertainty about the tariffs, because Trump keeps changing his mind like a retard.
To repeat, it's not because of tariffs, but because of uncertainty about the amount of tariffs.
This is related to a product that Canada competes with us on, and Trump's tariffs would (if they are implemented) raise domestic demand for that product.
This industry employs a lot of people in the area. More demand for product means more jobs and more competition for workers which means higher wages.

>>510135375
The entire premise of this economic plan is that we have off-shored too many vital industries.

>>510143902
You don't need rock bottom wages to remain globally competitive. See Japan/German automotive industries.

Thay said, tariffs alone don't fix the problems.

>>510134816 (OP)
big winning, so many countries are paying their fair share now.

... dumass

>>510150441
>Thay said, tariffs alone don't fix the problems.
Yeah, gotta get rid of immigrants too. Around here, immigrants (illegal? I don't know) have destroyed the labor market.

>>510145753
Except that's not what's happening.
Trump has the lowest inflation ever. He's fixing Bidenflation.

>>510135207
this

>>510135428
retard who lives in a hovel

>>510144388
These faggots still exist somehow

>>510134816 (OP)
i love our new VAT tax.

>>510147830
>More demand for product means more jobs and more competition for workers which means higher wages.

Most factory jobs would still be minimum wage jobs.

>>510155437
That's not how it works. More jobs means they need more workers, which means they (companies) have to compete for workers, which means they have to offer more money.