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>>510139477 (OP)
>I post it again award

>>510139623
bump

Do Russian carriers still run off diesel?
>>510140127
RIP

>>510140166
>Do Russian carriers still run off diesel?
No, because there are no Russian carriers.

>>510139477 (OP)
*CHUG* *GHUG* *GHUG* *GHUG* *BACKFIRE*

>>510139477 (OP)
>Russia to scrap its last remaining aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov

aFTER IT ALMOST SANK ITSELF.

iN rUSSIAN nAVY, A SHIP IS FREE TO BE.

mOST CHOOSE TO BE SUBMARINES.

What's even the point in these aircraft carriers? Just deploy hypersonic missiles from subs and call it a day.

>>510142078
Wow, carriers can be killed by missiles? It's crazy that nobody has thought of this before and made an AEGIS system to counter it or something.

They should convert it to a crab boat and fish the Bering Sea, on there own side the fuckers.

who cares chinks will make a new one 6 days

Aircraft carriers are WWII technology. Americans bleating about how they're the apex of sea combat are like the European great powers bleating about how the battleship was the apex of sea combat prior to WWII. Everyone sincerely believed it and just about everyone was wrong except Japan and America; America deleted Japan's navy and now we rule the world because of it.

Nothing stays the same. The idea that 80 years later the carrier would still be the absolute best bang for your buck; especially with the modern pace of tech; is retarded. If the Russians are scrapping their carriers that means you should think twice about your own. Russian military is blooded now in a way American military hasn't been since probably Vietnam, they probably know something we don't.

>>510139623
motherfuckers actually switched spam programming from 1 mil jeets to kuznetzov scrapped in one day.

>>510139477 (OP)
russia is now officially a brown water navy

>>510139477 (OP).

Russia hates the soviet name. That's why.

>>510142827
>Russian military is blooded now in a way American military hasn't been since probably Vietnam, they probably know something we don't.
They know that swarm tactics and drone warfare is the future. No carrier task fleet is going to be able to ward off a flight of 1000-5000 drones lauching missiles and shit at it plus hypersonic missiles coming down at speeds faster than what radar can detect from.

Carriers are obsolete technology, the future is drones that daisy chain perpetually in the sky via drone refueling planes.

>>510142827
this thing makes them obsolete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval

>>510139477 (OP)
The future is to build a drone swarm capsule inside a whale, capable to host 10 people to operate the drones and drive the whale around.

>>510139477 (OP)
Russia is focusing on nuclear Icebreakers, they seem to believe the future lies in the frozen north
The Yakutia was finished last year, the hull and reactor for the Chukotka are done, the leningrad and Stalingrad are planned for after the Chukotka is done.
And a as yet unamed super nuclear Icebreaker, know only as project 10510, is already being built, it's twin reactors are finished and they already got started on the hull, it'll be the biggest icebreaker ever, beating the previous record of the russian Arktika class nuclear icebreaker by about 40 meters.

>>510140166
No, all of their smokestack ships run off of Mazut I believe.

>>510139477 (OP)
The Carrier has gone the same way as the battleship did in WW2. They're just missile bait. The Houthis have chased 2 away with temu drones and 30 year old Iranian surplus.

>>510143944
>Mazut
That thick heavy oil is so fucking nasty. If I never see it again I still won't be happy. Been buried in that shit up to my knees.

>>510144237
Why do you hate it?
Does it smell?

So why does America keep pissing cash to build these things?

>>510143071

What kind of military presence will it have once it absorbs Ukraine, is no longer in conflict yet has a war time economy in place? They're going to build up fast.

>>510140127
>kuz is dead due to aids

>>510143887
>Starting to wonder if that MI f-16 crash about 20 miles SE of his hideout--was more about taking out Jeffrey than it was dumping fent into Lake Michigan. (that drone.)
how does one read the last part
it's rosatom, the design bureau ... but the last four letters, anyone please?

>>510145156
Anything that touches it is ruined. It's sticky, smelly, and never comes out of anything without diesel. Picture molasses but made out of used motor oil out of an engine that needed a change 30k miles ago and stinks to high hell.

>>510143887
how do we read the name (last four letters) in english?
the rosatom design bureau part is easy enough, but i cant find the triangle symbol in any of the charts

>>510146991
>>510147360
flot

>>510143451
Hypersonic can't be guided effectively and drone swarms don't work in the open sea. One of the main upsides to a carrier is the ocean is absolutely massive and carriers can go ridiculously fast

>>510139477 (OP)
NOOOOO don't decommission insanely overpriced worthless ships that can be destroyed by a swarm of drones/missiles for 1/1000th of the price. Aircraft carriers are equivalent to battleships in WW2. They are absolutely worthless in modern warfare powered by AI missiles and drones. USA military is outdated and stuck in 100 year old methodology. Russia is adapting.

>>510142078
The Soviets and now Russians and Chinese claim they can defeat carriers. We never will know until WW3 happens.
>>510142827
It makes sense for Russia to scrap their carrier. It's been an expensive disaster and their real pride is their battlecruiser. They never intend to fight the US with a carrier. It's never been in their strategy. They have to fight the US navy in an asymmetric way. But really people the whole hypersonic missile thing is just shilled by people who want to see the US lose a war.

>>510142827
Aircraft carriers only truly have one purpose since Korea: fear projection.
Their presence brings anxiety to all local forces. Fighter-bombers, helis, launch pads for amphibious assault and C&C for joint force operations.
A floating airfield with a hotline to the Pentagon. It strikes fear in the hearts of all who dare oppose it.

And then an RC pilot with a cigar punts a hole in the hull and accidentally the bulkheads from 300km inland using 500 drones in erratic and irregular kamikaze strike patterns every 10 minutes.
Cost of drone operation: $1m per battery
Cost of carrier when it sinks: $billions, ego, reputation, shitposts all over 4chan, utter humiliation

The way weapons are developing, and some people already know of DEW, you don't want capital ships unless there's a way to deter the less-than-physical ordnance.

>>510142827
Their carrier can in no way be compared to an American carrier. They are no where close to American capabilities. Their navy is pretty much garbage outside of their battlecruisers that have never seen combat and their large amount of submarines.

>>510148132
>the whole hypersonic missile thing
They can't hit moving targets. The biggest threat to carriers are diesel electric or autonomous submarines or torpedoes

>>510147979
They don't go fast enough to effectively evade a 500m above ground hypersonic. Drone swarms should be able to work in the open sea if they have a transmitter ship (which would be easily seen by everyone).

>>510139477 (OP)
It barely works and doesn’t really serve a purpose.

>>510147979
I thought the advantages of a carrier is that it allows you to apply a traveling forward base of operations. Allowing for the conduction of aerial operations with the advantage of being able to move and redeploy locations of attack flexible. Even if we see manned aircraft replaced with mass drones I whould think having a mobile airstrip whould become more useful then before, given the large space they provide. The steam catapult may become unnecessary which whould be pretty funny I guess.

>>510148230
I'm not sure your particular drone model would work either. The japs sent drones (piloted by men) with 2000 lb bombs. They didn't stop the fleet - and those were WWII era ships. Modern designs are certainly more hardened.

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-042.php

>>510148385
the carrier groups move at least 30 knots and nobody knows what their evasive maneuver speed is. They have so many tools to deal with missiles. They always have a cruiser and destroyers escorting them along with submarines. For the enemy to find a carrier group it's like searching for a needle in a haystack in any body of water. All the while, as soon as you attack the carrier group, the carrier knows where the attack came from and can retaliate.

>>510139477 (OP)
They didn't need it

>>510148230
With use of proper support vehicles they can greatly increase the range of operations for aircraft. Also Amarican carrier fleets have been defeated before durring war games, 2005 a Swedish sub was able to score multiple hits on a carrier and escape.

>>510148662
the biggest advantage in an aircraft carrier is bombing the enemy to hell anywhere in the world

>>510148666
You put it like warheads and penetrator compounds haven't advanced in 80 years.

>>510149061
Nigga did you just say what I just said but more concisely?

>>510139477 (OP)
scrapping that floating skunk is the only good decision they've made in decades
what the fuck happened to the real russians? they are morons, were they replaced with lizards?

>>510148711
I didn't think about maneuver speed, I just assumed it was pretty slow.
Once one of the hypersonics has a set location I would think it could hit with relative certainty. Shouldn't finding the transmissions from the carrier be the easy part?

>>510148129
This has to be one of the craziest COPE I've ever seen here. Today there is no combat fighter that exceeds 1,500 kilometers of combat operational range. And air superiority is a key element to winning modern conflicts, no matter how many drones you have, a plane can do things that a drone cannot. Being able to mobilize a squadron of fighter jets to any part of the planet is key for any country with a minimum capacity for power projection. Fighting without air superiority or at least without a minimum response capacity on a modern battlefield is crazy, as was demonstrated by the Iraqi army when it was literally devastated by the USAF less than 25 years ago, or by the Israeli air force a few weeks ago, when it attacked hundreds of targets in a country that HAS DRONES AND COULD NOT AVOID THAT ATTACK ANYWAY. If Russia cannot repair that aircraft carrier it is probably because they lost the capabilities to do so or because they do not believe it makes sense to have one, after all in a war scenario with NATO it would be literally impossible for Russia to dispute control of the sea.

>>510149217
Yes

>>510142336
>AEGIS system
i don't think it works at all, americans couldn't stop the houthis

>>510149362
Russia is probably not fixing the carrier because they are pouring their nation's resources into Ukraine.

>>510143519
>this thing makes CAG's obsolete
>the Squall's effective firing range is 10-13km
This board is packed with spastics

>>510143887
>just 2 more weeks guys
>the arctic will be ours
>here's a bunch of boats that will be ready in 2 weeks
>the biggest icebreaker ever will be ready in 2 weeks
>it's 40 meters larger than the last boat we never built.
>two weeks
>two weeks

>>510149356
>Shouldn't finding the transmissions from the carrier be the easy part?
I dunno I'm sure a navy fag could answer that one, but I think they basically go silent and have a very secretive network of communication when in combat. Also I would imagine those missiles are not guaranteed to hit even on a stationary target.

>>510149356
Yes, but in the minute of flight time, the ship will already be a half a mile away from the initial point. A transmitter ship will also be easy pickings for actual aircraft, not to mention the destroyer escort

>>510139477 (OP)
aircraft carriers are a meme. if anything actually ever happens. one will get sunk and then all the others will scuttle off back to their home ports to await scrapping. there might be room for some kind of specialised launch platform in the future e.g. a submersible drone launcher, but the days of the general purpose aircraft carrier are numbered.

>>510149391
Wdym they agreed to a cease fire a year ago

>>510149727
There's no other viable platform for delivering large scale air operations abroad

>>510149620
kek

>>510149623
What you mean by transmitter ship? They have their own fleet network and they have NSA people on board to communicate with home.

>>510139477 (OP)
why even blow money on a fucking navy. seriously. the USA should just build massive assault weapons on the coast with percision missiles and tactical nuke tipped and just end the US Navy and build a larger Air Force and have Army on hand if we're ever invaded. which I doubt we would ever be.
the USA should just have air and refueling and just use B2 or Missiles to attack nations who fuck with us.
nays are a waste of money. who the fuck wants to fight in the ocean anyways? its a waste of billions.

>>510149842
I was talking about the difficulties of his idea for a swarm support ship in the open seas

>>510149848
70 percent of the planet is water, retard

>>510149808
they're becoming too vulnerable though. it's not their fault, i personally think they're cool as fuck, I also think 18th century ships of the line, are cool as fuck. the world moves on unfortunately.

Russia engaging in modern combat only exposed how much of propaganda was holding up their image.

>>510149621
From my experience dealing with networks/telecom even a silent network leaks a lot of packets in a fairly wide area if it's OTA. I'm sure the military is different.
>>510149623
Given how fast they're going I expect you're right, but it would make sense to launch one tracer missle and then 5 active load missles based on the tracer and other information.

>>510147979
Gee billy why does your mom let you have two copes?

>>510150000
CHECKED!
We still have one. Oldest commissioned warship in the world.

>>510148711
>the carrier groups move at least 30 knots
depending on sea conditions. all warships can be forced to slow the fuck down in an adverse sea state.

>>510150000
They're like the only answer to being able to project air power without having a friendly base right next door. Since modern warfare doctrine relies on air support, it will always be part and parcel as long as flight time and munitions are a limiting factor

>>510143887
inb4 uki drone visit

>>510150076
I have no idea but when it comes to communication I just assume that there's no entity more advanced that USN

>>510149728
Yeah after forcing 3 carrier groups to tuck tail and flee.

POOLS CLOSED NIGGA

>>510150167
HMS Victory is the oldest commissioned warship in the world. USS Constitution is the oldest afloat. she's a beautiful ship though, i've seen her in the flesh.

>>510142827
can someone explain anons pic? i know its a meme about the double slit experiment but i dont get why the NPC wojak is seeing the interference pattern when he observes it... is it implying NPCs can't see unmeasured photons behaving as a particle?

>>510150076
>launch one tracer missle and then 5 active load missles based on the tracer and other information.
If you're planning on using ballistic missiles to do rudimentary TMA at a moving target, you've failed far before the firing solution has been even developed

China will buy it. Mark this post

>>510150193
yes, doesn't stop them being vulnerable in 2025 though.

>>510150280
They just cycled out though that's what ships do?

>>510150333
Some other cool ships are the replicas of the Jamestown ships

>>510149727
>aircraft carriers are a meme
>>510150000
>they're becoming too vulnerable though
>>510150174
>all warships can be forced to slow the fuck down in an adverse sea state
>>510150458
>yes, doesn't stop them being vulnerable in 2025 though.
Why do you even bother posting when you have so little faith in your posts?

>>510146523
Because it's pretty fucking convenient to have these if you are playing the world police.

>>510150458
True, but for now, it still is currently active as such. Straits and narrows channels are obviously the most dangerous places for carriers to be since they can't rely on speed or distance to be an effective shield for a more active engagement

>>510139477 (OP)
I laugh @ Russia but the US has abandoned aircraft carriers for a reason. Chinks are retarded and copy everyone else so they still think having a fleet is relevant in modern warfare. Look at the Houthis. All it takes is one modern missile and your ship is toast. We don't have the technology other than US laser defense to counter a literal standard 2025 missile coming straight for your stationary ship. America doesn't invest in boats or tanks anymore, it's been full blown missile and defensive tech for the past decade.

>>510150551
Because ye olde tyme commie theory of beating American carriers with missiles is but a theory and yet to be proven

>>510143887
>global warming
>focusing on icebreakers
Fucking kek nice excuse they can't afford anything bigger

>>510139477 (OP)
We can just buy that. That looks good.

>>510150551
wut?

>>510150612
>US has abandoned aircraft carriers for a reason
Wrong, the US is concern they are not building carriers fast enough

>>510139477 (OP)
>respects
But it's a rust bucket?

>>510139477 (OP)
Based Ecologicly minded Russians.
Now we wait for the Amerinnigers to stop poluting the oceans with their radioactive carriers.

>>510150333
What a beaut. You guys should put that thing back on the water. Does vasa count or do they have to be still actively commissioned?

>>510150784
it's just beautiful clean coal, anon

>>510150660
>American carriers
who mentioned american carriers? as soon as anyone's carrier gets sunk, that's it. it'll probably be a bong one that gets it.

>>510150724
Stop posting, idiot

>>510150791
>vasa
i'm not really into ships pre 1700. they were a bit shit back then.

>>510150847
>t. Trump

>>510150791
I went to the museum where that's being restored years ago. It was a very cool tour.

>>510150905
no.

>>510150850
First off, all carriers are not equal. The British carriers are not very advanced at all. They are glorified escort carriers. American carriers have no equal. The only country with a carrier that comes close is the French and that thing is still tiny by comparison. Also by your logic, the US should have quit fighting with carriers as soon as they lost the first one in WW2. Or even the British. Complete nonsense. If the US lost a carrier, they would build more of them and faster.

>>510142336
Stfu Langley faggot

>>510143451
Iran attempted to replicate the drone swarm+missile tactic on Israel, it turns out countries with institutional access to extensive western AA and air superiority can rolfstomp meme weapons, and now Ukraine is getting these with your kill-count being reduced to 2 digits figures at best despite throwing hundreds of drones and missiles to ukrainian territory while running out of gold, now seethe cope and dilate over the scrap of your nurglite hulk russnigger.

No shit, hypersonics have rendered them obsolete
they are only useful for trying to bully 3rd world shitholes with no friends
just spam 10 hypersonics at a carrier
100M to take out 20B

>>510150963
>a bit shit
That's an understatement when it comes to vasa. It's quite possibly the worst warship ever made with the shortest time in active service.
>>510150987
That museum looks cool. I'd like to check it out someday.

>>510148269
>capabilities
>nigger filled coffin
Kek

>>510150791
I think she's too old to be kept afloat without destroying her. The Constitution has and entire oak tree forest owned by the US Navy just to keep her in replacement timber. Britain has less than 200 operational main battle tanks. I doubt they have the money or commitment to do something like tat for the Victory and it's a damn shame. She's a magnificent ship of the line. It's going to be a sad day when the shitskins deface it and put the torch to her along with the chapels and cathedrals.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/uss-constitution-and-constitution-grove.html

>>510151249
never been defeated yet, kiwifag

>>510148711
>For the enemy to find a carrier group it's like searching for a needle in a haystack in any body of water
Lmao
are you tarded?

>>510150994
Didn't think you would. It really was for your benefit not mine
Have fun, you little clueless pillock

>>510151285
>scared off by goat herder houthis
Lol

>>510151332
Houthis got fucking wrecked. Not only by American ships but by other European allied ships. They shot down so many damn drones and missiles it's not unreal.

>>510143451
They'll just equip them with lasers.
The timeline is 25 years give or take, at that point lasers will have progressed to the point where drones, even MIRVs are functionally obsolete.
https://toughsf.blogspot.com/2025/05/the-laser-revolution-part-i-megawatt.html

Until then drones won't provide any better anti-carrier capability than missiles did already.
And hypersonic missiles are cost prohibitive if the enemy possesses layered defenses, like all carrier strike groups do.
Drone swarms are either cost-prohibitive or too limited in range.
Simply put, carriers are drone HQ platforms with much greater range and strike capability than the shitty V2 wannabes Russia and Iran are producing.

As for why Russia is getting rid of its carrier, it's simple.
Putin has reduced the defense budget. Russia doesn't need an aging smokestack aircraft carrier.
It's only there for prestige, the only useful capability are the P-700 Granit launchers - but these are ageing and outclassed.

2002 Milinium Challenge was a US War game where a simulated Iran was able to destroy a carrier group via suicide boats and cruise missles. Utilizing surprise and an overwhelming amount of projectiles to overwelm sensors. In fact the games went so poorly for the Amarican team they shut the games down and scripted an American victory. So who know we might see a carrier go down due to command arrogance and conceit.

>>510151075
>the US should have quit fighting with carriers as soon as they lost the first one in WW2.
no because that was an acceptable battle loss from equal foes. now that warfare is becoming very asymmetric again it won't be an acceptable loss. it'll be the death knell.

>>510151285
Dwag we technically lost a war to Canada. Fucking Canada

>>510151420
>hypersonic missiles are cost prohibitive
until they're not. cruise missiles were cost prohibitive once.

>>510151415
>my military told me it did well and left the area immediately cos it was winning too hard
You seem smart

>>510151613
>we technically lost a war to Canada.
no you didn't. it was a draw and you were fighting us. we were busy dealing with the short-arsed frog at the time, (((luckily))) for you.

>>510151420
Nigger please explain how a layered defence will stop a hypersonic missile

>>510151768
So where is your news coming from? The terrorist houthis network?

>>510151451
the swedes with their silent attack submarines could've sunk a large proportion of a carrier group in a wargame.

>>510151613
NIgger they were not canada as you know it then. They were fucking brits

>>510139477 (OP)

Russia are a land power, not a sea power. They don't need the rest of the world because they have their own oil and gas supply. They don't need to do naval piracy, to steal from other nations.

>>510151874
they sunk two ships the other day.
>wrecked status = not at all.

>>510139477 (OP)
a win for the enviroment, given that that thing's smug cloud could be seen from orbit

I smell some heavy russoid cope in here

>>510151420
I forgot to mention that their shitty carrier needs a fucking tug boat to go with it in case the engine fails, lol.
It also almost sank with it's dock (rip PD-50) and the is still being repaired after over half a decade.
Maybe they can ask Goa shipyard for help, lol.

>>510151304
Yeah it's called EMCON and coordinated SAG maneuvers. It's nearly impossible to find modern warships well enough to make a firing solution for ordnance with limited guidance, hence why planes and submarines are so integral for the kill chain process

>>510151975
They sunk a hopeless merchant ship in which they boarded, did a gay tik tok video, and planted explosives

Sorry US carriers will need to stick around until israel need another falseflag.

>>510151962
>Russia are a land power, not a sea power
they've got pretty good arctic naval capabilities even compared to the mutts.

>>510151874
the fact your carrier group did a u turn and fled

>>510152044
i didn't notice you stopping them. when you're the world superpower it's kind of your job. it certainly was ours and we did it very well.

>>510152123
Lmao with what assets? Much of the Severomorsk and Kamchatka hulls have been benched since the war kicked off

Haven't seen a thread with this many /k/ crossboarders in a while.

>>510152038
Lol it's crewed by niggers, easiest thing on the world for chinks to put shit on it that sends a signal when they want, not that you need to with things like satellites, spy planes, subs and fucking radar

>>510151814
>>510151957
I'm reffering to the invasion of Canada at the start of the war of 1812 which was clearly a failure. But yeah saying we lost is overlooking the battle of Lake Erie where any victory aginst the Brittish fleet durring that time is an impressive feat.

>>510152260
well they're not much use when the naval portion of the war is in the black sea are they?

>>510150341
When an NPC looks at something it doesn't count as observation.

>>510152313
Lmao

>>510152315
What the hell are you talking about, that's not now emission control works unless you think this is a sci-fi movie that has quantum undetectable emitters that's strong enough to blast across the ocean yet remain hidden in the vessel

>>510142078
it's in the name
glorified plane taxis

>>510151846
CSG defenses are capable of stopping hypersonic missiles, they are just less reliable in that case.
If I remember correctly the common estimate was that you'd need at least 3 well placed hits by a 3M22 Zircon to sink a US carrier and that it would take you at least 20 missiles hitting simultaneously or in very short succession to achieve this.
The entire Russian navy had around 40 3M22 Zircon missiles last year. And they are reportedly firing them at Kiev. So I doubt they have many more now.

>>510152328
>I'm reffering to the invasion of Canada at the start of the war of 1812
jews were in the ear of madison making you do that mistake. they were trying to speedrun superpower status of their new host.

>>510152353
thanks mr wolfcastle

>>510148955
>muh war games
In war games, the Iranians sunk an entire air carrier group and Russia reached Poland in 3 days lmao

>>510149362
This is retarded. The Kuznetzov is antiquated, over budget, and riddled with problems. It's been that way since they docked it for repairs. It should've been scrapped long ago but they keep it for pride purposes and I doubt they have the resources to make another or even want to. Russia's naval doctrine is not based around aircraft carriers, and really there's no reason for it to be. Russia has a weak navy that's more about defense than projection. The US is the ONLY force to have a coherent carrier and naval doctrine based around projection. Stop treating the US as the standard, it's just dumb. Wtf would the Kuz even do? Russia fights land wars, they're a land empire. It's like the Queen Elizabeth, wtf does it even do? Sail around and then get humiliated when it has to get a tow?
>air superiority is a key element to winning modern conflicts
This is US doctrine. Pretty much no country can count on actually getting air superiority other than the US. Israel claims they got it but still ended up relying on the US to actually achieve their strategic goal. Every NATO air operation has been completely supported, funded, and planned with the US in mind, the other nations just supply the bases and a few of the sorties. Moreover, Russia is not gonna get air superiority over NATO with one carrier. Even in Syria, they just built an air base rather than operating out of the Med. The result was the same.

>>510139477 (OP)
There's little point in a Tellurocracy having an aircraft carrier.

>>510152431
Are you stupid?
Go look up how large a emergency beacon is that yachts have when sailing across oceans, and go check if it's active constantly

>>510142827
>>510143451
The American carrier fleets dominating the seas directly contradict both of you.

>dieselcore carrier

Looks sick

>>510139477 (OP)
Carriers are offensive platforms. Only american niggers need them to bully poor countries around the globe. Fucking cowards

>>510152870
So sick that it died.

>>510152830
That's the whole point of emission control retard, you're not going to have an AIS transmitter active during a River City\EMCON status.

>>510152530
Bro one hit will put it out of action and require massive efforts to keep afloat and rescue all the spics and niggers too traumatized to do anything
>he knows how many Russian hypersonics exist
Retard alert

>>510152983
>I can't read

>>510149808
Refueling in mid air.

>>510152983
>EMCON
you do know that chinks have got satellites right?

>>510153005
You are an idiot and a gaylord.
Go eat dirt retard.

>>510153077
Apparently you can't at all considering you don't even know what AIS is and how easily it can be spoofed and disabled. Hell, it's the main tactic of the Chinese maritime militia

>>510153198
Satellite sweeps are a rather poor way to collect active battle data since their sweeps are not exactly the same, their updates are rather sporadic, and there are usually only a few assigned to one area at a time. Requiring to rely on visual satellites on a moving target in the middle of the ocean is even more unreliable

>>510139477 (OP)
Russia should have sold it to North Korea.

>>510152237
Never interrupt your enemy when he's shooting at Greek owned, Iberian flagged ships crewed by Filipino and Russia sailors claiming to be targeting kikes in their shitty jihad of lobbing missiles and drones at any ship they think they can easily target. All this does is further the US' goal of painting them as terrorists on the World stage, why in the living fuck would the US stop this goldmine of a propaganda piece? I'm glad people like you (turd worlder) weren't around in the heyday of the British World Policing, as the bongs were bretty good in the art of propaganda, and you haven't the slightest clue on it.

Weren’t all the shitters clogged?

>>510153226
>moron can't comprehend a signalling device existing that can be switched on when required
Lmao
Bro there's like thousands of niggers and spics that will be using their phones anyway, you are delusional

>>510153491
With what signal in the middle of the ocean retard and with EMCON controls in place to detect them locally

>>510139477 (OP)
The age of the battleship ended with the carrier. The US kept them around long after everyone else, for power projection. Battleship armor was always thick enough to withstand hits from it's own sized main guns. Russia likely sees that ship as a money pit, and a giant bullseye.
Do you think Russia is capable of sinking a US carrier? Is the age of the carrier over and the Ford class a major mistake?

>>510153491
But I do concede one point, humint and sabotage is a potential factor in detection, especially in such a large community as a carrier. However that would require a rather suicidal fanaticism and such security risks are universal across all institutions and countries

You don't need to sink a carrier though, just stop it launching planes, surely it's not that difficult if you fuck up the deck enough

>>510153590
ships are sitting ducks in this day and age, one kinzhal and one carrier is gone.

>>510153797
You have to find the vessel first tho
In that case just doing some like the Cole and waiting for it to be in port would be easier

>>510153582
Holy fuck you are stupid, you know phones talk to satellites right you stupid fucking moron?

>>510153461
>stop this goldmine of a propaganda piece?
you've got another propaganda piece going on in jewland. that one is making you look like evil psychopaths.

>>510153916
Yes, and w/o a cell tower, it makes it reliant on limited satellite sweeps and poor latency since it's the middle of the fucking ocean. Even then, EMCON controls will pretty much immediately notice something actively trying to transmit off hull

>>510139477 (OP)
Russia probably doesn't need one. Drones, lasers, robotics, sonic and armed satellites are completely on the table.

>>510154157
>hey yo Jamal I detected a signal from your room
>ye I be trying to talk to some bitch
>sheiitttt lemme see
Kaboom

>>510143451
>They know that swarm tactics and drone warfare is the future.
The US has been working on this since the fucking late 50s, and you don't think the US is well aware of drone warfare and swarming tactics?

>No carrier task fleet is going to be able to ward off a flight of 1000-5000 drones lauching missiles
What's stopping the CSG from frying them with HPMs? Also, 1000-5000 drones able to carry missiles and target a CSG are going to be 1000-5000 expensive UAVs unless you want them zapped out of the sky.
>and shit at it plus hypersonic missiles coming down at speeds faster than what radar can detect from.
Not possible. The CSG all have extremely capable radar able to track an ICBM class warhead (mach 25) which enough resolution to discriminate between warhead, decoys, and rocket debris and engage or pass that data onto GMD interceptors in the US.

>Carriers are obsolete technology,
Then why is China building them at an ever-increasing rate, with them pretty much copying the US super carrier as their design to copy, as even Ping Pong with his slit eyes can see the US super carrier is still the future.
>the future is drones that daisy chain perpetually in the sky via drone refueling planes.
The US has been toying with the small UAV air refuel the other small UAV idea for decades.

>>510154324
Yes, that is the reason why EMCON enforcement is paramount on navy vessels while underway

>>510153797
My thoughts exactly. Like the eternal boomer we have wasted our wealth thinking that's how things will always be. The stuff is junk too.

>>510153797
kinzals don't have a very good accuracy though
mostly just hype and bullshit like ruzzia

>>510139477 (OP)
Can't open the website because I live in a democratic and free union.

That being said, presuming it's legit news, it was about damn time. It literally served no real purpose and was just a gigantic money sink.

>>510154307
>military robot
Everyday they reach a new threshold of Fucking around, someday they'll start to find out, and when they do it'll be funny as shit.

>>510151630
>until they're not.
What technologies do you see that are going to decrease the price of hypersonic missiles? What types of hypersonic missiles?
>cruise missiles were cost prohibitive once.
CMs are still pretty expensive if you want them to actually work for anything but missile sponges.

>>510154389
>puts his trust in niggers
Lmao

>>510149848
It's for my entertainment

>>510153875
Anonymous posters on a Mongolian throat singing message board can track our ships using internet maps. You can assume our enemies should have no trouble finding the vessel.

>>510147360
>>510146991
The triangle is a lower case L
It's Flot meaning Fleet

>>510153335
It also requires you to still somehow have satellites after the Space Force rapes them

>>510151846
By shooting it down, you utter fucking retard. How else do you think? The AEGIS system is literally designed to take out hypersonic missiles with their own hypersonic interceptors. A layered defense is having your carrier surrounded by AEGIS equipped ships linked in to a just about every US high-powered radar around the coupled with the massive space based early warning system with SM-3s for exoatmospheric intercepts, SM-6 for medium range intercepts, SM-2 and ESSM for closer last effort ranges. The space based early warning IR sats can spot a BM as soon as the booster lights off for launch and track that missile through the air well before it's any danger to the CSG, that data is feed to the CSG in real time, allowing their radar to be searching for that missile as soon as it leaves the ground practically.

F
cowardly to sabotage her, to sap her twice. not an honorable death.
The British should have challenged her to a 1v1 in the med, the Americans should have fought her in the red sea. fucking cowards.
Australia has two helicopter carriers, we should have tried to barrel bomb it or boarded her.

We who claim to command the seas, are we afraid of deck-to-deck fighting with the Russian territorial navy? Are we afraid to fight bow-to-bow? Where fell the west's honour

>>510154740
Nigga I am pretty sure I can find a stealth fighter in the sky too, while has its position lights for civ traffic on

>>510153797
Kinzhal couldn't hit the broadside of a barn, let alone a moving CSG. Even if it was as capable as Russia wishes it was, it wouldn't be able to get past the SM-6, SM-2, ESSM, or the decoys, jamming, and burning the CSG is going to be throwing at it. Kinzhal is a glorified ATACMS, and easy work for the AEGIS system.

>>510142078
hypersonicn missiles that destroy carriers don't exist
that is a real hypersonic, one that can change trajectory like a mecha anime shot
it doesn't matter, everyone has given up contest to the US except china
carriers can deal out an enormous amount of munitions

>>510154740
You can't do any TMA without active posits, especially with limited satellite sweeps over the open ocean and sweeps being hours and sometimes daily. At best you will have to rely on public ais data while piloting near ports and maybe humint if you're lucky. Finding a sag is also much easier than finding an individual ship in the formation

>>510142078
A strategic option

This is the European sailor who terrified Asia, who terrorized south America, who crushed the med, navigated the horn, who stormed Beijing, who discovered Australia, who crossed the pacific, the terror which shook the world.
Do we live up to their legacies? does the sea still belong to the White man?

American marines allowed themselves to be captured by Iran, Australian marines refused to surrender and abused the fuck out of the Iranians over radio. Americans crashed their sub into a Chinese sand dune, Australians sailors evaded two US dragnets and abused the American navy over open coms for being useless cunts. We gunboated China and didn't give a single fuck, America got rammed by a Chinese cargo ship and cried about it. Australia still lives up to the legacy of white naval power.

Next week during talisman saber we're going to sink a Chinese spy ship and let the Chinese capture our treasonous prime minister. If he wants to visit China fuck him, he can stay there

>>510155787
Based ausie

>>510142827
A carrier is a tool in a toolbox. It‘s certainly not outdated because of hypersonics and drones.

>>510154740
>Anonymous posters on a Mongolian throat singing message board can track our ships using internet maps.
I don't think the Navy would be sending friendly signals out during an actual war, or at least spoof the data to where it makes you seem somewhere you're not. Russia did this before, and it's not too difficult.
>You can assume our enemies should have no trouble finding the vessel.
Finding it is difficult, and hitting it is even harder.

>>510139477 (OP)
all aircraft carriers are obsolete anyway, everyone's going to get autonomous drone carriers now

>>510155932
Nevermind that 90% of the time carrier are a geopolitical move instead of a military one right now. Aka you want the whole world to know where it (or the bait-boat running its signal 1nm in front of it) is

>>510155278
Lmao nigger do you know how fast hypersonics travel?

>>510155700
I guess spyplanes, subs and rader don't exist in your world

Why does it feel like a bunch of fags ITT are just coping about carriers and how "obsolete" they are?
This is the same shit I hear about how air forces or armor are useless now that drones are the new hot meme

>>510139477 (OP)
No Navy nor Air Force left. The absolute state of the Russian paper tiger army.

>>510149362
There are, however a large variety of missiles aircraft carriers are pretty much defenseless against.
Kinzhal, Zircon, Kalibr, Oniks, etc, and ALL of them saw extensive combat use over the last couple of years.

>>510139477 (OP)
Based!
Carriers are for pussy carriers that can't into real wars.
In a real war those carriers would be sank.

>>510139477 (OP)
why? it need just little paint

>>510139477 (OP)
It can be sunk by a single drone. There is no point in any weapon of warfare other than drones now. Perhaps drone carrier ships, trucks, or planes. Other than that it's a pointless waste of money.

>>510158009
>>510158395
>>510158422
Praise the Omnissiah!!!

>>510158395
> rusted shitbox
that is some seriously dilapidated shit.

>>510139477 (OP)
>w-we didn't need it anyways!!!

>>510140166
>Do Russian carriers still run off diesel?

As far as I know, there's never been a carrier that's been run on Diesel. Even your carriers run on boiling water.

>>510153590
Yemen might be capable of sinking a carrier. Subs are the answer.
The problem for America is force projection, and they need carriers for that.

>>510157939
Yeah it's army is pretty good. Navy was always a bit shit, (besides subs, they are good)
Air force is capable but limited.
I don't want to fight those bastards

>>510139477 (OP)
They should've just sent them to China for repairs instead.

>>510158739
What boils the water tho?

>>510139477 (OP)
Why scrap it? If maintenance is a problem, why not just let it rust in a harbor just in case it's needed before it goes bad?

>>510159375
>just in case it's needed
Needed for what? It's just a rusting pile of metal in it's current state.

>>510148385
>they have a transmitter ship
'Transmitter subs or buoys are not so easy to see.

WAR WITH FAGGRUZZIA IS IMMINENT! GEAR UP EUROPE YOU NEED TO PROTECT UKRAINE

>>510143451
the drones wont do shit, a carrier needs to be torpedoed.

>>510148230
I think aquatic drones - thousands of them - would be better at destroying carriers than aerial drones.

>>510149848
USA needs a Navy because we're an island. It's army that is optional. 95% of active duty army should be turned to national guard. Leave training units, transfer NBCR to other branches.

Similar argument for air force: turn 90% of it to air national guard or navy, leave missile command, training units.

Return marines to naval infantry roots, put under the navy. Return to Mommy's wings.

As for hypersonics: lidar.

>>510158997
>>510160538
I'll never get over how stupid the cope slope makes those boats look, if you don't have a cat you don't have a real carrier.

>>510146523
Force projection by complete aerial superiority

>>510139477 (OP)
omg I'm smooooking

>>510139477 (OP)
>Press F to pay respects.

Why? Is was a POS on the day it was built, and then the Soviets neglected it. Real countries have carriers without ramps.

>>510150465
>They just cycled out though that's what ships do?
keep coping mate, once china provides 10 times the industrial output of high tech weapons, the US will cave, and so will the dollar

>>510161719
lol is that the HOMO capturing police?

>>510161719
That poor, poor twink.

>>510139477 (OP)
Why isn't Russia an economic powerhouse by now? Haven't they been doing the whole communism / socialism thing for a while?

Goodbye, sweet prince ;_;

>>510161991
>Haven't they been doing

Fucking noticer.

>>510161991
They sit on 99999 T$ of natural resources, I've been told, they haven't made good use of it, because they need to murder a bit more of White folx and steal their land. No other way around it.

>>510139477 (OP)
Funniest ship to sail the seas. F on russia being a serious military power.

>>510139477 (OP)
They have several MASSIVE supercarriers in construction in secret, underground docks. Of course the NAFO is coping, seething, and balding about this, but its true

>>510139477 (OP)
If Russia had a comically large cartoon villain super duper nuclear sub with world ending nuke torpedos, then they would also have a comically large super duper carrier being built that even Adolf Hitler would be proud of

my god people so fucking stupid nowadays, wait till the satellite images reveal it was being built in secret for 10 years

>>510160538

why does it look like absolute rusted dirty dogshit inside, it was only launched in 1985?

Russians base their tech designs off 40k orks or something.

>>510149552
>spastics
you don't know how this thing works, right
imbecile

>>510161873
Oh I see, we're supposed to be acting retarded. Okay, sure anon, I believe that

>>510161991
>Haven't they been doing the whole communism / socialism thing
>communism / socialism
so you don't understand what was it there and who did it to them, right?
and something telling me that you know for sure why

>>510139477 (OP)
>Russia's only carrier
I am still amazed that Russia is considered a superpower.
If Iran gets nukes, will they be a superpower too?
Is Israel a superpower because it has nukes? lmao

>>510142827
>. The idea that 80 years later the carrier would still be the absolute best bang for your buck; especially with the modern pace of tech; is retarded.
You say they but look at ukraine and russia going back to trench warfare like an abusive ex.

>>510139477 (OP)
>USS George H. W. Bush
already a rusty junk.
>USS Gerald R. Ford
Useless. They give up to reshape it. Let's do it without flying planes !
>USS John F. Kennedy
Reshaping it because...it flows. Maybe for 2027 if they rediscover the tech.

>>510139477 (OP)
The real kuznetsov is incoming

>>510141837
Transsubmarine rights are ship rights

>>510150333
Do they load the cannons with all the government-confiscated spoons?

>>510142336
>faeggis system
>counter hypersonic missiles
Hahahahah

>>510139477 (OP)
They don't need it, since they are not really in the power projection game the way the U.S. is (and in which China very soon will be in a big way as their navy grows).