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It's not drones. The stalemate set in before they became a mass phenomenon. They only exacerbated it; they didn't create it in the first place. So what did?

>>510152331 (OP)
Its the ratio cope sneed yelp reviews and you all being retarded faggots

>>510152430
Yelp reviews seem insufficient to produce such an effect in a conflict of this magnitue.

>>510152331 (OP)
It's frugality. Russia could blitzkrieg the Ukrainians but they are only allocating the minimal amount of resources needed to achieve enough dominance that Ukraine gradually loses the war of attrition.

Weak risk-averse invading force against a strong risk-seeking defender.

>>510152331 (OP)
Russians view Ukrainians as Russians. Only reason really.

>>510152598
This, russians are risk-averse, and ukranians take a billion risks.
So the russians are stuck slowly wittling down a endless supply of ukranians which will cause the war to go on for probably a century at this rate.

TO THE LAST WHITE UKRAINIAN MALE NEEDS A SLOW MEAT GRINDER.

>>510152679
I don't think Ukraine has the manpower to sustain it for a century desu
at some point the army just breaks, right? Or the Russian army does

>>510152546
I'm sure the Russian soldiers on the front line really appreciate the frugality. Very jewish desu.
>>510152667
How does ethnological shit like that produce a stalemate?

>>510152331 (OP)
Russia wants control and obviously don't want more sacrificies, average Ukies understood this and are willing to take the L.

>>510152735
Why?

>>510152785
I would count on western nations getting bored before either side stops sacrificing men. Honestly I think both sides are just waiting for that before they actually commit to things.

>>510152546
This basically

>>510152842
does nothing, nothing ever
happens

>>510152546
>It's frugality
zigger frugality. billions must die.

>>510152546
that would be a valid excuse if they didnt lose hundreds of thousands of men and control over syria
at this point its getting genuinely sad

>>510152836
a quick victory means more WHITE UKRAINIAN MALES LIVE.

ukrainian males are too nationalistic for .eu, and they won't allow multiculturalism. so they're being killed in a mass sacrifice.

>>510152331 (OP)
Both Russia and Ukraine (backed by NATO) are trying to play a war of attrition, to wear each other down.

First, this isn't world war one. What you have is your average Motor Rifle Brigade sending about a company near the frontline, say five clicks from the actual 'grey zone', from which they move, using whichever vehicle they can get their hands on (if they can), and move from there. The distance is so that they can try be away from the range of long-range fire assets (even mortars) and right now, mainly drones (also because general marksmanship is on ukraine's side.
From there, they move, they assault something within the gray zone or zones they haven't been before. Most likely? They'll die. Doesn't matter, you can send a few other groups until only five guys remain in the company.
Then, after the Ukrainian platoon manning it is dead or has retreated, the surviving guys can say the took the place, and they get rotated, or die waiting. In any case, the ukrainians aren't going to push to there, so you are going to use that place as a start point to move elsewhere. And you continue like that, field by field.

This is the reason why Russia has so many casualties yet advances.

Why Ukraine doesn't advance? Mobility issue, but referring to aerial coverage, mostly. They cannot move enough assets quickly enough to prevent QRFs in the form of helicopters or ATGM teams to let them demine a section of the front if they wish to assault anywhere, so the places they do attack it's only after deleting the supplies of the Russians. Which of course, makes the Russians spread their ammo across the front to prevent this (most evidently in 2022 v 2024 rate of ammodump hits), and spread units, making them easier to pick and kill, but harder to actually dislodge from a general area. Add that to the fact that any large enough deployment will cause Russia to use its inventory of aerial ordnance to hit your buildup (as you need to saturate a place in order to destroy it thanks to the innacuracy of Russian equipment, and having a general area for them to hit eases their killchain a LOT)

>>510153057
Why though? This is what I asked.
>>510153092
No one tries to play a war of attrition. It's always what wars devolve into due to failure on the offensive side.

>>510152974
so why did you stay in Iraq for 20 more years after this?

>>510152790
Russia has no intention of nuking their own to pieces. Taht's literally the only reaosn whjy Kiev is not ground zero yet.

>>510153227
No the US explicitly said in their policy papers that the goal of the war is to make Russia expend resources. What they didn't expect is for Russia to try to do the same thing to them.

>>510153331
I asked about what it became a stalemate. Now you're talking about nukes. What does that have to do with the stalemate?

>>510153227
>Why though? This is what I asked.
as i said, they're too nationalistic. putin is playing along with it because he considers them nazis. europe wants them to join the .eu, but ukraine never would have taken in globohomo. america is cool with it all because they don't mind russia losing assets in the process.

this is why you have europe pushing for ukraine to commit suicide, zelensky refusing to give up areas of ukraine that don't even want to be part of ukraine, and no end in sight.

>>510153349
But Russia is the side on the offensive.

>>510153410
What does Putin need a protracted war to do that, and why do I have to keep asking the same question over and over? Just answer it.

>>510153331
They also can't.
Vidrel
>>510153321
Because defeating an army's one thing, conquering a nation (without genociding them) is another, same reason both the USSR and gringos lost Afghanistan too
>>510153410
Hey, Russia isn't playing with Ukraine, there's no more Naval Infantry Brigades nor Guards Tank Armies in Russia's Army now, all dead in Ukraine. They're just struggling.

>>510153181
I think you are over-estimating russian losses. yeah they surely lose some dudes, but they blanket their targets in artillery, fabs, drones, iskanders, etc.

ukraine simply does not have this capability AT ALL. they have some vehicles (less every day). their artillery has been depleted in so many ways. they have two things - lots of meat, and lots of drones. THATS FUCKING IT

you can't win a war with meat and drones.

watch the line, it's moving consistently west. ukraine is losing officers faster than they can ever replace them. they will never be on the offense (except localized) ever again.

>>510152974
The iraqui army fled almost imediatly, there was barely any confrontation

>>510153471
putin wants them gone too, and attrition war with forced conscription is the only way to get rid of ukrainian white males (nazis to putin). that's it.

both sides want the same thing. you'll see ukraine being split between europe and russia when it's over, and when that happens, that's your proof of my claims.

>>510153438
Doesn't matter, both sides are trying to make the other expend resources until they are exhausted.

>>510153604
>attrition war with forced conscription is the only way to get rid of ukrainian white males
Why? You realize he could just quickly take over the country and kill whomever he wants right?

>>510153628
Why would Russia do that instead of just seize what it wants rapidly and stop losing so many of its own people and resources?

>>510153509
Iskanders have horrible CEP, FABs have terrible killchains (and CEP too), artillery too, thanks to the Soviet doctrine that has to pre-approve all fire missions. Drones are the only ones that properly answer. And they do not 'blanket' them, they fire at grids in general. This was appropiate in the 60s when their communications didn't allow for anything else, right now it's just incompetence, a weaponized one.
I don't get your point about artillery either, fire missions have been stable for Ukraine, they have diminished for Russia (iirc something about three shells per fired Ukie one), and their vehicles are mostly used as QRFs for Russian exploits. I haven't even heard of an AFV/AFV engagement since a night engagement between Leo 2s hitting T-62s in Zaporizhia.
Also, no, Russia lost four officers on the 155th just this month (ironically enough it proves that they can restructure the unit everytime it gets mission-killed), compared to Ukraine's, well, zero. Also, neither do they have lots of meat, you should see the order of battle for the two, Russia has mobilized even the Far East Military District for this. If you wanted I could show you their storage bases (where T-62Ms were) being used to send vehicles to the front.
I think you're emotionally invested on this. The only thing you said that's right is that the lines are advancing west, but the pace's terrible.

>>510152785
The war ends when russia returns Edward Snowden to us.
Simple as

>>510153812
The west is motivated to exaggerate the "idiot zigger meat waves" meme for a variety of reasons, but perhaps most significantly because it's necessary to obfuscate how their plan is to basically sacrifice Ukraine's population of fighting age men in a hopeless war as a geopolitical chess move to bleed Russia. They don't actually think Ukraine is going to or can win, but they can't just say that, so they need to string them along for as long as possible by memespouting about Ukraine's 500:1 KDR and Russia's incompetent mongoloid looney tunes army to keep them fighting as long as possible

>>510153509
people over-estimate both ukranian and russian losses.
its a modern war, they are both losing jack shit in terms of casualties a majority of the time.

>>510154348
Nothing of what you said disproves in any way shape or form what I said. Nor does it have any effect upon it. The "Meatwaves" do exist, and it's how platoon-level tactics are performed within Russian doctrine, 'steel lines' when they are mounted within vehicles.
Whatever you think about the formal conditions upon the west's reaction to the war is inconsequential to the material reality in the ground.

>>510152331 (OP)
The smart anti-armor land mines

>>510154348
It's going on 4 years and Russia doesn't fully control any of the 4 oblasts they annexed back in September of 2022. This is just a fact.

>>510152546
still with that cope 3 years in ?

>>510152546
memes aside unironically this, there is no mobilization

>>510154821
It will end eventually and then we will all finally be rid of having to argue with people we're convinced are delusional shills

>>510152598
>>510152679
>literal untrained human waves sent in by Russia
>risk averse
You are ironically right though, since Russia can continue sacrificing men with little risk. They'll just get more immigrants

>>510155422
>It will end eventually
So will the universe.

>>510154399
It just doesn't make sense to me that the side that has superiority in artillery, aerial bombs, guided missile helicopters, long range attack drones, fiber optic drones, cruise missiles and tactical missiles is trading equal blows with a country currently kidnapping people off the streets.
Where are all those kills coming from? Handheld rifles?

>>510152796
>Russia wants control and obviously don't want more sacrificies,

This is a limited war for Russians. They aren’t mobilising millions, mostly cause you’d have serious economic and societal effects. They fight the war in the background.

And drones matter a lot. Drones allow cheap and omnipresent surveillance of the battlefield. This makes concentration of force difficult, and without that the only viable tactic is slow small scale assaults Russians practice.

>>510153057
Pretty sure it was Russia that invaded Ukraine and not the EU.

>>510153604
putin is also forcefully islamifying russia, the ideal religion for a dictatorship, and probably the only way to have soldiers willing to die to drones in a modern war

>>510152331 (OP)
Armor has been totally obsolete in any major peer level war since 1973 and the Battle of Chinese Farm in the Sinai during the Yom Kippur War.

>>510153379
Yeah, why would that be?

>>510153410
>dumb take

>>510153688
Russia doesn't want to do anything but make NATO countries expend more resources. The same thing NATO is trying to do to Russia.

>>510152331 (OP)
russia ran out of tanks and is running out of meat as well.

>>510156393
>Russia doesn't want to do anything but make NATO countries expend more resources.
That's great bro. Here I thought they wanted to win the war, not make NATO expend resources while they expend Russians. What a deal for them.

>>510153657
Turning your dogs into minced meat is funnier than poisoning them.

>>510156541
Well that's worth however many dead Russians it takes right? For the lulz?

>>510152546
people don't want to admit this, but it's the truth. imagine if rusniggers just human waved ukraine from the start, I'm talking full conscription of every man over 18 blitzkrieg. but I guess we will have to settle for retarded westerners thinking "ukraine is winning" when in reality ukraine is literally pulling young men off the street gestapo style to fight because they're so short on manpwer, meanwhile most russian 20 year old men are at home gaming right now. kek
>>510152785
it's a simple matter of numbers. ukraine can't sustain this for another year, let alone a century. if not for foreign fighters AND weapons, it would have been over umpteenth weeks ago. ukraine is being slow burned financially, morally, and manpower wise. a literal war of attrition. it would be like saying china couldn't beat taiwan over the span of years.

>>510156616
>imagine if rusniggers just human waved ukraine from the start
Yeah why do they do the kung fu movie strategy where they attack the hero one at a time instead of rush him? Seems so fucking retarded yeah?

>>510155870
Indeed, if Russias eyebrow has been raised and the gloves are coming off, then why are most of the Russian kills in this war elderly ladies waiting for the bus in Odessa?

>>510153057
ukraine is very multicultural. they only LARP as Nazis to spite russia. their entire image exists around being "not-russian" just like plenty of other former soviet states. anything contrarian to russia is popular, even if they don't believe the actual principles of said things. all the guys with sonnenrad tattoos are kosher as fuck.

>>510156488
Yes.

>>510156611
Russians are honored to die in war so yes, making you watch your dogs getting minced alive is worth it.

>>510156804
>Russians are honored to die in war
I'm sure the holhols enjoy honoring them in that way.

>>510156804
Most of them don't want to actually die when they realise how disposable a Russian life is.

>>510156877
60k surrendered. Many of them are fighting and dying with honor on the Russian side instead of being minced dog meat.
You seem to be quite knowledgeable about this war. Do tell, do you know how many killbox grinders are actively grinding your dogs as we speak?

>>510152331 (OP)
>stalemate
It's not stalemate, Ukraine is losing, in this type of military actions territory not important, more important break society of your enemy, ukrainian society almost broken already, it's matter of time when they just surrender.

>>510156960
If they don't want to die they will fight harder.

>>510153438
If Russia is on the offensive, what was Ukraine doing from 2014-2022 against the Donbas Republics?

>>510152331 (OP)
>What caused the stalemate?
Because the actual purpose of this war is to depopulate Ukraine so that jews can take it over.

>>510157059
ok
>>510157106
>It's not stalemate
>in this type of military actions territory not important
Lmao. At least you're posting on 4chan instead of working in the tank factory or whatever. You do the boys at the front proud coping for them on the Western internet.

>>510152546
They also don't want NATO to get directly involved.
And they never will if the narrative is "stalemate".

>>510157197
No idea.

>>510152331 (OP)
Blackrock still needs some more time so they can properly rape and pillage what's left of Ukraine.

>>510152546
This seems to be the strategy. And others like China are in Russian territories collecting intel. It's a disaster for NATO.

>>510157255
>Lmao
Well you see, i can read ukrainian channels and i know what people think and feel, you, from where you get your info to have fun under my opinion?! I don't know. Ukrainian army have terrifying amounts of deserters btw, and this amount only go up, just check how people welcome russian strikes on draft centers, ukrainians tired from all this very badly.

>>510157346
Same Blackrock that pulled out of the reconstruction fund?
I only wonder if Ukrainians managed to find fools to buy those factories and mining ops in Donbass they put up for sale.

>>510152331 (OP)
mud

>>510157423
Okay so just take Pokrovosk and Kramatorsk and end it already then.

>>510157592
Why?

>>510152546

/thread

and no amount of r.eddit tranny seethe will change the facts

>>510157656
Because they're part of Russia according to the Russian constitution gypsy anon.

>>510153321
This shuts up the American

>>510152331 (OP)
It's not fpv drones which make the difference, it's regular recon drones which were present right from the beginning backed by Starlink.
It's just impossible to advance if enemy sees your every movement in real time. You have to take and repurpose every single position.

>>510155870
>equal blows
Russians have more losses in all categories, planes, armoured vehicles, think skinned vehicles, personnel. It’s not equal blows, Russians are getting hit harder

>>510152790
>I'm sure the Russian soldiers on the front line really appreciate the frugality.
It's an all volunteer force with 3 month rotations that's turning away volunteers. So yes.

>>510157723
Russians doing whatever they want on their own de-jure territory is upsetting you?
I wish I could be big enough to order Russians what to do and to set their time table so you won't seethe so much.

>>510157592
Look like you can't even read. Territory not important.

>>510157757
Slap a Z on that unidentified vehicle wreck and call it a Russian tank!

>>510157799
This is what you guys call "vranyo" yeah?
>>510157834
You're really small are you?
>>510157845
>Territory not important.
Then why is Russia demanding territory be surrendered to them in the peace negotiations?

Interesting that despite Russians claims of all volunteer army Russian courts handle more cases of desertion and AWOL than Ukrainian courts

It’s not a stalemate. Russia is winning decisively. It’s only a matter of time. All of NATO is being demilitarized by the Russian military. The AFU is the strongest defacfo NATO army and is being systematically ground down. This opens up other fronts against the Anglo-Jewish empire such as the Middle East and eventually the South China Sea. Coupled with growth of BRICS and global dedollarization beginning, it is a total geopolitical disaster for NATO and the USA

>>510157757
>Russians have more losses in all categories
That doesn't become true just because you repeat it a hundred times. It's simply illogical and doesn't pass the sniff test. Of course Russia has losses but they're nowhere near what Ukraine is claiming

>>510152331 (OP)
Russia is far too incompetent to make large combined arms maneuvers.

>>510152546
Holy shit, laugh and ridicule this level of cope. You understand the logical outcome of your train of thought means Putin thinks his entire population are expendable slaves.

>>510157885
>T-90M charging from Russian controlled territory in direction of Ukrainian frontline? Must be Ukrainian tank!!!!
Any more copes?

>>510153321
It all went according to plan, Iraq and Afghanistan were designed to launder money.

>>510158061
Take three pictures from different angles of the same wreck, slap a Z on them. Poof 3 more Russian tanks.

>>510157945
Because territory important as prize, but prize come after all is over. During military actions territory not important, important broke your enemy to the point where he give you everything you demand.

>>510158036
> That doesn't become true just because you repeat it a hundred times
Oh of course not, it’s true because all evidence point to it
> It's simply illogical and doesn't pass the sniff test.
It’s quite logical. If one side presents magnitude more physical, photographic and video evidence of enemy losses than opposite side then answer can only logically be “opposite side is losing more”

>>510158036
On low numbers, Russia had more casualties than the allies on the Normandy landings lol

>>510152331 (OP)
It is the drones.
There's nowhere to hide in the fields and drones surveil everything.
Every probing attack is just driving into killzone until you're lucky.
On top of that unsure and complicated situations, no one really has waged war like this, so there's not like a book or event you can learn from. Both sides learn all time and adjust.

>>510158175
>important broke your enemy
To break, Ivan. They're already broke and Europe bankrolls their economy.

>>510158175
You are going to war son. This no mobilization ‘attrition’ is for one purpose only. Maintain reserves for when Russia decides to invade the baltics. Or Ukraine cripples them first.

>>510158145
>they are posting duplicate!
>oh, can you prove it?
>n-no

>>510158327
I don't feel like I need to prove anything to you. You're the one who's job is to convince me of the bullshit you say, not the other way around.

>>510154399
>they are both losing jack shit
Ukraine ran out of adults to kidnap and is currently drafting 16 year olds. Russia fulfills it's protocol 2 obligations on telegram and you can look that the ages on IDs yourself. There are no Ukrainian men aged 20-30 anymore except hiding in other countries.

>>510152546
>they are only allocating the minimal amount of resources
>the losses are so great that they need to import 1 MILLION pajeets, otherwise they can't fill the hole left in the labor market
well, a russoid life is utterly worthless so you may be right, nothing of value was lost

>>510158265
In bahkmut alone I meant to say.

>>510158360
Women. They are pushing to van holes and haul their asses to the front now.

>>510158278
I think even the drone kills are overblown though. You have to realize that Ukraine tries to record damn near everything they do on video, because it's useful propaganda, both for international viewers and an attempt to reduce russian morale. it's easy to get a false idea that russians are just dying by the millions, because you assume there is 10x more than what you just see on video. but the reality is that they literally record everything. so what you see is mostly what you get. there are not hundreds of thousands of drones killing people. not debating that drones are one of the biggest causes of death, but it's overblown as fuck due to the propaganda amchine. this is a lose lose either way. you cannot fight a war of attrition against a much larger population and "win." what is winning anyways? putting up a decent fight? what's left after that. most ukrainians that even wanted to fight are already dead or will be. everyone else left or died against their wwill in zelensky's meat grinder.

>>510157980
>despite Russians claims of all volunteer army
The army isn't all volunteer. The force in Ukraine is. The total Russian army is like 20x the size of Ukraine's.

>>510153489
>this video unequivocally proves Russia lacks the capability to nuke Ukraine because one missile, which is not even Russia's most capable, apparently failed
and you say others are emotionally invested in their analyses?
>Because defeating an army's one thing, conquering a nation (without genociding them) is another
Right, as if the US was contending with angry civilians after the initial invasion. In reality, it never fully controlled Iraq and continued to fight armed groups forever, including ISIS.

>>510158352
Burden of proof is one that accusing. You said that all those documented losses are just duplicates so it should be very easy to prove that

>>510158265
The Allies were literally fighting less than 10% of the Reich's forces. Their opponents on D-day were Hitler youth, elderly, and injured. Allies used human wave tactics enforced by Jewish MPs because the goal was for whites to die.

>>510158553
Russia has mandatory 1 year military service and those conscripts absolutely have been and died in Ukraine.

Pretending it’s all volunteer is retarded.

>>510158443
>Make up lie
>Spam it endlessly on pol
>Even if it's debunked you now have put it in the general consensus that's it's true because you spammed it so much
>Use this lie as a basis to branch off of

It's like you think we're retarded

How did ukrainians get convinced to die to the last hohol? Literally nothing would change if russia won they would just get a corrupt russian administration instead of a corrupt nato administration.

>>510158553
> The total Russian army is like 20x the size of Ukraine's.
Russia has about 4-5 brigades in reserve, all other Russian army is fighting in Ukraine

>>510152974
so, they tried a bagdag run without having a massive airforce or starving the victim for a decade?

i dont believe russians are retarded enough that they thought it would work, this was the plan for some reason

>>510158522
You're throwing alot of assumptions and the current performation of both sides and the grim reality of the state of the war completely disagree with you.

>>510152331 (OP)
russian ingenious tactic!

>>510158594
I say many things but I never said I believe you.
Maybe you should be better at your job.
Go on, tell me what they ran out of this time.

>>510158522
> but the reality is that they literally record everything. so what you see is mostly what you get
Can you prove that?

>>510158855
They run out of competent shills after priggy died
>wah,wah, I don’t believe you!
Oh no, Russian shill does not believe his lying eyes…I presented you with evidence, I don’t care how much you don’t believe in them

>>510158810
you draw reasonable conclusions based on assumptions. that's all you can do besides believe propaganda numbers which are biased from either side. what kind of assumption should one make when they see countless videos of young men being kidnapped and thrown into vans off of the street? does that look like a military that has plentiful disposable soldiers? lmao. that's late stage manpower.

>>510153657
>quickly take over the country and then kill
Are you a retard or 12? You can kill people in war, you can't just round up a bunch of people during peace time and kill them even if they're criminals. That's the fastest way for Russia to lose a lot of soft power and just becoming a pariah worse than North Korea for real with no trade or diplomacy with anyone.

>>510158867
more gopros and dji action cams were donated than drones...

>>510158730
>those conscripts absolutely have been and died in Ukraine.
One unit at the beginning of the war was mistakenly rotated in, then withdrew before a rotation would have been up. It is domestically illegal for draftees to be in combat without a declaration of war. Hence the SMO and sign-in bonuses. You can watch the recruitment drives of the penal battalions that Wagner used in Bakhmut. Even those were volunteers, and they rejected flight risks and rapists.

>>510152331 (OP)
This is what happens when one side is basically 2 men and the other side bombs a single spotfor 385995 years, advancing 2 milimetere and then bombing next spot for another 208484 years.

There's only one side saying it's a stalemate, and it's the side whose counter-offensive spectacularly failed in 2023 and has been getting slowly erased ever since.

>>510158773
well if your screenshot says so that the soviet communist ministry of absolute, undeniable and irrefutable proof said so, then it must be true

>>510158175
>During military actions territory not importan
Then what's the point of attacking at all? Stop meatgrinding and just sit back and drone the holhols like they do with Russians.

>>510158801
Honestly it might have served Russia better in the long term or the whole world worse.
Say Ukraine had bad morale and chose not to fight
>run over Ukraine in a few weeks.
>inflated thinking their tactics work.
>decide to pull the same in the baltics
>piss off nato and and watch them melt under air superiority while they get bombed back to Moscow
Now Russia knows their logistics and combined arms command is completely fucked so they probably won’t try the baltics without…a nuclear first strike. Really their only option due to manpower and logistics issues.

>>510158287
Sorry i bad at English.

>>510158991
>You can kill people in war, you can't just round up a bunch of people during peace time and kill them
Why not? What kind of cucked shit is this?

>>510159042
Konstantin and Dmitry Reshka Are calling you a liar from their graves.

>>510158965
You barged in the thread, presented a screenshot from who knows where. No link, no archive, no details. Only the statement "Russians have more losses in all categories, planes, armoured vehicles, think skinned vehicles, personnel. It’s not equal blows, Russians are getting hit harder".
Am I supposed to believe you? First of all, I don't trust Slavs. Second, I don't trust papists. Third, if it was true why did you seethe while saying it?
You're free to try and convince me that Russians lost 2/3 of their entire manpower effective (>1 mil) and more armor than they had in stores. Go on, I'll wait.

>>510159010
Which is irrelevant because guns result in 4% of wounded but drones result in 75%

>>510156269
>How any country's politics work since forever
>Only politicians and media in Russia tell blatant lies and try to manipulate public opinion
Westerners are truly delusional

>>510159160
>Then what's the point of attacking at all?
Well if you will not attack, enemy will not have loses, obviously. And without loses all this will go indefinitely. And then come stalemate. So i suppose they need more forward just to provoke enemy, to make enemy lose more of his troops, and increase drafting efforts creating more social pressure.

>>510159208
No need to be sorry bro. I wanted to point it out and to help you get better at English.
You're aware you're in a NAFO dilation session thread, right?

>>510158322
Hardly. Europe no needed.

>>510159376
I don't care.

>>510159380
Ok buddy, enjoy. Social Darwinism for the idiots that actually believe and trust Putin.

>>510159158
and your evidence for it being true is just some random guy saying it. Fucking kike.

>>510152546
>It's frugality. Russia could blitzkrieg the Ukrainians but they are only allocating the minimal amount of resources needed to achieve enough dominance that Ukraine gradually loses the war of attrition.

what the fuck does this cope logic even mean

so they could have gone full war mode and won the war in 2 weeks and maybe lost maybe a few hundred but instead chose to take over 3 years now and lose over 100,000 dead

So amazing how russians are willing to die for such a retarded strategy by their military generals

>>510158773
They do it because it works. You're tapping into the larger issue of information of our age. Not a single person in the world has the attention span and motivation to check every media noise he's being fed. Even if someone notices he's being lied to regarding something there are still numerous lies about other fields and topics.
There are decades upon decades of layers of bullshit regarding Russia that I've encountered on the internet, some was blasted on the media since 2022, some since the 00s, some since the 90s, some during the cold war, some during the ww2, some even before that. And now it's been piled up into a snowball of infowars that a centralized media can unleash on anyone at a moment's notice, because there are centuries of history you can pick any accusation from. Something that may be ignored or even praised today can and will be dialectically weaponized tomorrow.

>>510159281
> No link, no archive, no details
It’s not my fault you posses such low knowledge of this conflict you don’t know what warspotting and oryx are.
> Third, if it was true why did you seethe while saying it?
Kek, it’s so funny coming from a guy that instantly started to seethe and claim all images are just “photos of same tank taken from different angles”
> and more armor than they had in stores.
Interesting claim, are you saying Russia had less than 4000 tanks and 8000 bmps in storages?

>>510159475
>Social Darwinism for the idiots that actually believe and trust Putin.

I don't see any social Darwinism here, more like something opposing.

>>510159537
Thanks, they got that process from you. It’s literally how you have divided and conquered your own provincials since ussr days.

Russia is fighting all of NATO, the UNSC, the Terran Dominion, the Zerg, the Covenant, this universal union that narrow minds call "The Combine", the Avengers, 3/4th's the student body of Hogwarts, and the pre-DS2 Galactic Empire....... and is losing

>>510158773
Moreover, it's Western countries that are taking in millions of Indian migrants.
Why are Indians a matter of ridicule if Russia were to do it, but you are racist if you point it out in Canada, Britain or the US?
If there's anything I hate about modern propaganda is how schizophrenic it is.

>>510159632
I genuinely hope it really does stop with Ukraine. A large scale or nuclear war in Europe would be horrific for everyone. It’s just extremely naive to actually believe it won’t happen now.

>>510159410
Good. Enjoy the show.

>>510159760
>It’s just extremely naive to actually believe it won’t happen now.

Why it must?! What the point conquer, let say Poland?! For what purpose?!

>>510159580
>It’s not my fault you posses such low knowledge of this conflict you don’t know what warspotting and oryx are.
I'm supposed to believe your statements now?
>Kek, it’s so funny coming from a guy that instantly started to seethe and claim all images are just “photos of same tank taken from different angles”
I wouldn't have said it if I wouldn't have seen it before.
>Interesting claim, are you saying Russia had less than 4000 tanks and 8000 bmps in storages?
That's what I heard from Ukrainian side. They ran out of tanks and APCs. Are you saying your lot lies a lot?

>>510159855
Same reason ussr never felt safer. Large open terrain in russias west coupled with demographic decline outlook requires a diminished Russian manpower to hold key geographic regions like the Bessarabia gap, Baltics, and polish interior. These chokepoints can leverage russias declined manpower. The open plains cannot.

>>510152331 (OP)
Putin being secret member of NATO and losing on purpose

due to the mud you can only make serious advances when the mud dries or freezes over, otherwise everything gets stuck. and when you`re not able to make serious advances you`re building up trenches. so you got most of the year to fortify your defensive position but only a couple short windows for major offenses, which are going to bump into all those defenses that they had lots of time to build up.

>>510152331 (OP)
Javelins

>>510160011
It's summer leaffag. Mud season is closed.

>>510159951
>Same reason ussr never felt safer.
USSR have ideology, his expanding have nothing to do with safety. Entire idea was to gift others miracle of socialism and liberate them from capitalistic oppression. Modern Russia ideology free.

>>510152331 (OP)
No one wants to get shot

>>510159941
> I'm supposed to believe your statements now?
You don’t have to believe me, I just post warspotting data
>I wouldn't have said it if I wouldn't have seen it before.
Every single zigger cope answer in oryx/warspotting is “Da Ukrop tank taken from 4675 angels!!”. Truth is you “never seen it before” every zigger taught you to say that line but like they all, you have no proofs of such duplications
> That's what I heard from Ukrainian side.
You’re talking with me, I don’t need to convince you that Russia lost 10000 tanks because oryx and warspotting have around 4000

>>510154399
This conflict has proved beyond doubt that people are extremely bad at judging quantities above ~30 visually. People will post pictures of like 10 dead dudes in a pile and claim it's the end of the front. Ukraine will upload drone footage of like 2 people dying and then declare it a meatwave all-out assault. I wouldn't be surprised if either side had less than ~400k casualties.
>>510153812
>artillery too, thanks to the Soviet doctrine that has to pre-approve all fire missions
Wrong. Sounds like the usual parroting of western sources which just pull from old Soviet manuals rather than actually trying to investigate doctrinal changes. Wagner started it but Russian army also adopted it too. Artillery fire missions can be made much quicker now, I forget which level exactly, might just be the coordinator. And no, it's not uncommon for fire missions to require a ridiculous amount of chain of command, that's how it worked in Afghanistan. This is why mortars are always considered the infantry's best friend. Air support, forget about it, could take an hour. It's all quite logical and cost-effective.
> fire missions have been stable for Ukraine, they have diminished for Russia (iirc something about three shells per fired Ukie one
This has been parroted endlessly but I've yet to actually see a conclusive source. All it ever is is the stupid graph uhg shat around with when Bakhmut was falling. How would you even calculate this, based on observed strikes? Russia has used everything and the kitchen sink in the indirect role.
> The "Meatwaves" do exist
And you're retarded. Meatwave is a bogus propaganda term, equivalent to the blitzkrieg. It's utterly meaningless. Not a single "meatwave" has been captured on footage, every purported one is less than 20 dudes. Which is fucking tiny considering how large historical infantry attacks have been.

>>510160277
No, that was to suppress internal dissent.
Geographically, it was about military control of chokepoints.
Sorry you had to live under that bullshit anon.

>>510160144
yeah i know
i explained that

>>510159210
Cause you'd have to have a pretty good case against them and you'd have to do it within a legal framework based on legislation that allows capital punishment. Russia has placed a moratorium on capital punishment since 96. Not even the Crocus Hall massacre perpetrators will get the rope. Too lenient in my opinion, but acts of justice should still be carried out in accordance to the law, including prosecution laws etc. for numerous obvious reasons, some already mentioned in my previous comment.

>>510160357
>You don’t have to believe me, I just post warspotting data
You posted a screenshot of some bullshit without link or context and you demanded people here to believe you.
Further more, your lot is known for lying 24/7 so no, nobody on this board buys your bullshit. You are wasting time and resources on convincing people who will never believe you.
>You’re talking with me, I don’t need to convince you that Russia lost 10000 tanks because oryx and warspotting have around 4000
Is this what Budanov told you or is this what the Kaganites from ISW that started the war told you?

>>510152546
What goes through the ziggers mind when they post this? Do they even have a mind or is it just AI and some kind of cogs and programming?
If Russia could blitzkrieg Ukraine they would have to get a great victory and save themselves lives and money, foreign power (like having a puppet government in Syria)

The war serves as a testing site for military equipment and tactics for both sides and their ancillaries. The war will continue as long as it's profitable.

>>510160443
I should've read your entire post.

>>510160388
Tell that to broke ass Russian provincials wandering through the woods at night were their team leader has 1 nvg and everyone else has nothing and they daisy chain along only to get slaughtered by some nato merc with nvg and a hardon.

>>510160535
thankyou for saying that when most people would just double down or call me a retard rather than admit they didnt read it

>>510152331 (OP)
Because Puccia is weak
>>510152546
Not sure if bait or an actual delusional zigger

>>510160416
Yes. Entire USSR was absolutely sure what it was stronghold of freedoms for working class. My mother included, she tell me what they feel really sorry for Americans who suffer so much under capitalism. Ideology is huge thing, and USSR ideology teach about world revolution what bring relief and prosperity for all workers on planet.

>>510152331 (OP)
the idea of nationalism
they have to kill everyone that will fight for ukraine or let the country completely fall apart internally otherwise they will bitch about it non stop for 200 years

>>510160477
> your lot is known for lying 24/7
I’m not pro-Russian. For example almost everything you said was a lie, starting from seeing duplicates of same Ukrainian tank being on war spotting passed as multiple Russian tanks.
> Is this what Budanov told you or is this what the Kaganites from ISW that started the war told you?
The fuck this statement means? I’ve said that oryx and warspotting have 4000 tanks lost, why someone else needs to tell me something I can see with my eyes

>>510160606
Doubling down on my own retardation would've made me look like a fool... Besides, I hate lying and liars, I don't want to hate myself.

what fucking stalemate? russia consistently advances every day, while ukrainian counter attacks retake half a village for a day or two at massive cost

also sage in all fields for faggot thread with leading question OP

>>510160842
Bump, vatnik.

>>510160842
> russia consistently advances every day
In percentages of Ukrainian territory per month it would be how much?

>>510160792
I saw duplicates, unrecognizable wrecks and photoshopped Zs.
Same side tells me Russians lost at least 2/3 of their entire personnel, that they ran out of armor, rocketry, artillery, shovels etc.
>The fuck this statement means?
It means that your lies can't beat my autism.

>>510152546
This is the stereotypical retard who thinks that Russia has only fought Ww2 in their history and if they try really hard or something they can beat everyone

>>510160973
> I saw duplicates, unrecognizable wrecks and photoshopped Zs.
So you can provide me evidence of that on warspotting and oryx?

>>510152331 (OP)
Russia does not have a professional army any more, they lost the 150k actual soldiers they had in 2022, now it’s just a meat grinder of new recruits given 2 weeks at most of training and then sent straight into assault. All of the names of their brigades are just names they do not actually exist in reality. Just meat bearing the same titles.

>>510160792
>I’m not pro-Russian.
Obviously you are not. It's just nobody on /pol/ buys our bullshit mental gymnastics. You should seek inclusion and recognition on Reddit and similar social media.

>>510160973
Please provide (1) proofs

russia advancing fast = winning
russia advancing slow = winning because attrition
russia losing territory = winning because ukies losing too many men

They literally have a cope scenario for everything. If they completely retreated back to russia tomorrow they would claim they won because Ukraine is ruined and NATO will have to rebuilt it or something

>>510161060
The evidence was posted here. You can check the archives. Again, I don't believe what you say and I don't feel like I need to prove anything to you.
If you're good at job you will convince me.

>>510161112
> nobody on /pol/ buys our bullshit mental gymnastics.
What mental gymnastics? I post oryx, warspotting and Mediazona. All of those have straight answer = Russia has more losses in all categories, while every prorussian here engages in mental gymnastics how it’s not true because they feel Ukraine should suffer more

>>510157483
If BlackRock has bailed then surely the end is close, right? Fink's both a smart and evil Jew, and like all such creatures doesn't believe in throwing good money after bad. If BlackRock is out of Ukraine that must mean the Ukies don't have much time left.

>>510161115
It's evidence I saw on /pol/. It helped me decide that the Ukrainian side lies, a lot.
For me it's enough evidence for disbelief. You're free to believe whatever you want as am I.
If presented with convincing evidence, I will change my mind.

>>510161253
>because they feel Ukraine should suffer more
shouldn't have laughed or clapped at that one bridge getting destroyed. always leave the clapping to americans.
now they get what they fucking deserve

>>510161264
I don't think Blackrock pulled out of their investments yet. Just out of the reconstruction fund.
Maybe the smart-evil jew thought it's better to let others to pay for reconstruction. Mertz said that Russia should pay $500 billion to reconstruct Ukraine so I guess the EU is trying to back off too.

>>510152546
this same tired old cope for 3 years get new material retard this is a bungler war from start to now

>>510161441
It's the same thing: don't throw good money after bad. If you think the Ukies are going to lose no sense in ponying up any more money. Don't forget all these guys are privy to data even we on /pol/ can't get.

>>510157980
ukraine has had over 100k desertions within the first few months of the year. the crisis is so bad they can't afford to prosecute them all. you are a faggot

>>510154348
>The west is motivated to exaggerate the "idiot zigger meat waves"
by Russia's own reporting there have been 1.1 million casualties from meat waves.

>>510161527
When they pull out of their investments to cut their losses I'll believe the end is nigh. Until then, I think Ukraine still has some spunk in it and the war will continue.
If things go without any major changes and Russians keep their goal of getting to the Nipru river then it will last for about 5 years, however I doubt the arms supplies can continue to flow.
Trump admin certainly found some spare stuff to send them and to keep them fighting. I don't mean the 10 Patriot missiles, I'm starting to think that's a meme anyway.

>>510161748
Or until Ukraine faces serious manpower issues. If they can't man the front, the Russians could roll all the way to Kiev with an expeditionary force.

>>510159580
>he still thinks oryx is a valid source

you are a turk rape baby

>>510161818
They won't face manpower issues. They're switching to womanpower as we speak.
Besides, they are impoverishing Europeans (mostly us E. Euros) while increasing the army almost three fold.
I already met a young lad who joined the army. He barely got his uniform and went on the range and he's thinking about going to Ukraine because he has a wife and newborn to feed.
There's no sugar-coating it, Europeans will die in Ukraine as Zelensky demands while draft dodging hohols will live on our backs and refuse to work because work is below their status.

>>510160954
entente didn't have to take berlin on WWI for the germs to capitulate. this isn't starcraft where you have to destroy the enemy base you retard

>>510162161
Not finishing the job assured WW2 though.

faggot turk rape baby runs away. i am victorious. croats gargle nigger cum

>>510162363
jewish postwar punitive treaties ensured ww2. perhaps in a better world european nations might've worked together for their mutual benefit instead of succumbing to american liberal niggerfaggotism but here we are

>>510161985
Apparently Russia is now actively attacking Ukraine's mobilization department. They hit their offices in Odessa today. What if Russia can cut off Ukraine's ability to find conscripts?

>>510152546
1 million dead russoids btw lol

>>510152331 (OP)
Russia has to be ready for total war with nato. They wont overcommit.

>>510152331 (OP)
Surveillence drones monitoring the frontline 24/7 making mobile warfare impossible as any kind of force concentration will be met by artillery and kamikaze drones.

>>510162392
I can argue with you if you want.
>>510162461
It was predicted before the peace was signed.
"This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" - Ferdinand Foch.
Nobody says to be an unjust winner, but finish the damn job so your son won't have to do it again in a decade or two.

>>510162651
>They wont overcommit.
Lmao only nukes keep them safe from NATO invasion.

>>510162548
>What if Russia can cut off Ukraine's ability to find conscripts?
How? They can always relocate the recruitment centers in bunkers. I would've gone for training centers but Russians probed for reactions to the news and decided to do it again to gain good boys points with Ukrainians who hate the body snatchers more than they'll ever hate Russians.

>>510161090
>2 weeks
>trust me bro

>>510162583
vatnik propaganda. their losses are in the billions
>>510162661
let's save it. we aren't enemies

>>510161060
>>510161115
Here's your destroyed Russian T72B3. Number 78.
Yeah, don't exactly know what this is visually verifying either.

There's also T72B3 Obr. 2014, number 147 visually confirmed!
In case you're wondering, the Obr. 2014 modification is an engine and sight, which of course you can't fucking see in the picture.

No, I can't post links directly due to 4chan's spam filter. I tried for 5 minutes, oryx is shit and 4chan is shittier.

>>510162934
I am able to hold a false point of view for the sake of argument. You can call me devil's advocate.

>>510163020
i've neither the time nor the energy, and yours would be better spent also

>>510152331 (OP)
Russian retards thought they would just march into the capital facing little to no resistance from Ukrainians

>>510163070
Rest well Aussie Cossack. We'll meet again.

>>510162961
>T72B3 Obr. 2014,
*2016. but actually applies to both destroyed 2014s, which cannot be visually confirmed, verified, fact checked, polled, or whatever fotm meme word you prefer.

>>510155645
>picrel
As a Westerner, I am seriously disappointed at how people keep being appalled at the frequency and spread of Muslim migration.
Take it as is: these people fuck like rabbits, their women are recluse (those in the vid do not do any work; are men's slaves of no other value than reproduction. Real femoids. Occasionally Karens). And, most importantly, your society and governments do *nothing* to prevent their migration. A final advantage is they have no respect for human life, sometimes even within their fabled "clans": this means they don't care if they breed endless streaks of retards or if their uncle dies an alcoholic aged 52.
The real Zergs or Tyranids are the Muslims.
Seeing videos of people "worrying" about that is ludicrous. The invasion is already happening. Govs are complicitous

>>510152546
They tried that on day one of the three day SMO and got utterly BTFO.

>>510152974
>>510153545
The US put no fly zones in the north and south of Iraq and bombed the shit out of everything in those two zones for a full year before putting boots on the ground. They softened up the future invasion points and then paid off the Iraqi generals not to fight.

war is war but that webm is disingenuous.

>>510163253
I am not he

>>510152331 (OP)
>what caused the stalemate
The goal of this war is dead slavs. A stalemate where they keep sending their men into a meat grinder is exactly what the khazars want for their new land

>>510163150
due to the crimea precedent

>>510152546
Ahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhaaa xDDD

>>510152331 (OP)
there is no stalemate, you're just misinformed. russians conquer about 20 km^2 of territory every single day now. they have operational successes on pokrovsk direction, three cities there are close to have thier entire logistics under fire control. slow advance is caused by drone saturation, because no vehicle can survive for long in the 40 km grey zone around contact line and only soldiers on foot can hide from drones effectively enough to advance at all. note that all the changes to how assault is conducted (motorbikes, etc) are to minimize casualties from drone strikes.

>>510162961
> Yeah, don't exactly know what this is visually verifying either.
Are you to blind to see a tank behind them?

>>510152679
Good, that means most civil wars never existed

>>510152331 (OP)
If you know anything about wars and war science you would immediately suspect that something is not right and you will be 100% correct.
I can’t say much but this.

What similarities you see in Iran-Israel conflict and Russia-Ukraine war and why they are so similar?

>>510163957
Tell me how you identified that tank as a T-72B3.

>>510152505
You're wrong. See, I was in 'nam when the review bombs hit. In the pitch black night I could see nothing, but what I heard haunts me to this day. Grown men producing noises not of this world. By chance, my phone had run out of battery, making me the sole survivor.

>>510162961
You see this panoramic sight only present on T-72B3 versions? You tried so hard to disprove single tank of 4000 and you shit your pants

>>510152331 (OP)
There's no stalemate.
Russia has been winning since the beginning. All they are doing is keeping their logistic lines as short as possible and remaining in contact with the Ukrainians.
Meanwhile they have emptied the entirety of NATO of Ukrainian men, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft weapons, aircraft, shells etc.
They have also given NATO zero excuse to set up an expeditionary force because "Muh Russians are coming".

>>510162813
> How?
Smuggle pistols into Ukraine.

>>510152546
That seems like the calculus Kremlin has made. They are content with letting the war grind Ukraine down, in the belief that they can outlast this rate of atrition while Ukraine cannot

>>510164740
Nigger the panoramic would be LEFT of the wind sensor. You can't see it in the oryx pic. See the thing between the cupola and the wind sensor on this pic? That's the panoramic sight. Unless you think the wind sensor is the panoramic sight, in which case you're stupider than I thought.

>>510163624
so what youre saying is the NATO plan worked and the Russian plan did not
strange cope

Drones, plentiful atgms, aaa dominance and satellite surveillance made mass armored pushes impossible.

>>510165172
So its a T-72BA or T-72B3 Obr. 2016, neither of which are fielded by the Ukrainians. Those are the only two options using that wind sensor and the two-pin tracks. How does this disprove 4000 Russian tanks were destroyed again?

>>510165172
Gunners sight. Specific to T-72B3
Now, now, which other T-72 variants have it since you’re convinced it anything but T-72B3

>>510152331 (OP)
What people dont want to admit is that all of the sides (aside from those that arent directly involved in this) lost.
>Ukraine lost ground and most of its working population
Clearly they thought that West has their backs but oy-wey, money speaking! So didnt pull out during their first victories.
>EU lost a huuuuge chunk of its industrial power (which moved to US) and any credibility they had as a seperate power. They are a joke now.
Wanted too much (as per usual now) and decided to fuel conflict which they cannot win.
>US which also lost most of its credibility and losing grasp on global politics because inner parties try to fuck up each other over Ukraine.
>Russia essentially lost global influence and is at war which they dont want to win, they want to re-enter Western world again, so why win to lose money?
Wanted an operation like in Crimea? Had a repeated WW1.

Only people "winning" from this are people who built corruptional business around this whole mess. They are from Ukraine, Russia and EU.

I now think this war will be endless because of greedy retards from all the sides.

>>510152331 (OP)
it is not we are moving on all fronts.
they were preparing trenches there for 8 years.

it was the same for ww1

>>510168490
>That's why we wont attack all the unprotected frontlines (like in Sumy, your soldiers even made photos of dragon teeth that were piled there for 2 years)
Are you retarded? Who the fuck would cheere for this war of retards?

>>510168382
you a delusional kike that will get what he deserves.
and nobody will pity you because everyone will know that you deserved all of it.

>>510168599
oh look at you now.
you were writing the very different shit 3 years ago.

nafo trany ignores what is written to him and trying to put words in my mouth again.
so typical it is not even funny

>>510168624
>You are delusional
>Doesnt even says where
>Just muh-uh I dont like your opinion
Retard confirmed.

>>510168693
I have not even read it.
just a few parts here and there to conclude that you are a delusional cunt.
many such cases with your flag.

>>510168692
>Called everyone a retard
>Nafo tranny
You arent really bright, arent you?
>>510168720
And still wont even point where? Trigger happy because of a flag?
If you are supporting the war so much, why wont go to the frontlines?

>>510152667
everybody does

>>510168775
why the fuck bother?
you will not read it anyways
>and will invent a reality you are comfortable with

>>510166986
war is war but that webm is disingenuous.

>>510152667
because they are Russians im enjoying their civil war

>>510153321
Counter-insurgency and mission creep. They could have easily left, but they had grander plans after toppling the government.

>>510167999
>>510168073
First off, Ukraine does field B3s. Second, Sosna-U is on every Russian tank, from T62 to T80 to T90 so it's not a defining feature. Finally, every T-series tank has thermal or optic placement there because it's where the gunner is, including PT 91 and T64, which are still plausible because you can't even see enough of the device to identify it. Could just as well be older thermal imagers because it's a fucking box.

>>510154513
Getting in to the details with the brainwashed is like applying medicine to the dead.

>>510169044
>Ukraine does field B3
Lie.
>Sosna-U is on every Russian tank
Lie, T72: B2/B3 only. T-80 and T-90 irrelevant because it's a T-72 chassis. Not seen on T-62.
>Finally, every T-series tank has thermal or optic placement there
Irrelevant. We're talking about Sosna-U sight specifically.
How does this disprove 4000 Russian tanks were destroyed again?

The russia army will fold up like in syria at some point.

>>510168382
you know what?
I just forced myself to read it.

you are alright - I was wrong.
you do not see what will become of ukraine, of the west and how the world will reshape itself and why it is important for Russia to be on the edge of it..

but it is ok.

>>510169426
You're just retarded. And wrong. How shocking.
>Lie
Ukraine has fielded captured B3s since 2022.
>T72: B2/B3 only.
Where are you getting this?
>T-80 and T-90 irrelevant because
That's just so fucking retarded I can't even imagine how you could say that shit in this context. They're different fucking tanks, Oryx marks them as such and everyone with a brain will to. Orynx vIsUalLy CoNfiRmEd it as a T72B3 but your only feature which is halfway obscured is on four different Russian MBTs.

Pic related, you're a dumb shit. T62M with Sosna.

>>510170163
That is a 1PN96MT-02 sight. You're boring me with your constant lies. How does this disprove 4000 Russian tanks were destroyed again?

>>510170504
>1PN96MT-02 sight.
Which is also used on T-72B3s. I'm sure you can tell me how you know which one is on the alleged T-72B3 or how you distinguished that on the T-62M. I'm guessing you just googled it and are just going with whatever reddit says.
>How does this disprove 4000 Russian tanks were destroyed again
I never said it did. Why strawman?

>>510152331 (OP)
No effective armor to breakthrough so everything is a WWI shootout with a modern twist of landmines that happen to fly.

Neither country has a good airforce either.

>>510170730
because hes a coward who fled lmao

>>510152546
look at the trannies seething

>>510168382
>I now think this war will be endless because of greedy retards from all the sides.
I think so too. But mainly from the EU and Ukrainian side. Russia is too poor, not much to steal.

>>510152546
this post made a lot of nafos mad

>>510152546
Petrol jelly hitting really hard today, Abbo?

>>510152546
most likely. 99% of businesses go bust because they simply run out of money.
same can be applied to countries
money is lifeblood. reducing the burn rate is absolutely vital. simple as

>>510152331 (OP)
It's in a really out of the way area of Russia. Sending soldiers there and gear is a pain in the ass.

>>510155874
Oleg? More like Noleg. amirite?

>>510174061
Also just like you don't advance by simply throwing money at a problem in business the same way you don't advance on the battlefield by simply throwing soldiers at the opponent.
ergo tactical frugality is where it's at
Q.E.D.

>>510156616
>posts a Russian athlete that moved to the US and had children here so they had US citizenship

>>510168720
>>510168848
>I did not read your post despite calling you delusional
>why reply, you won't read it
Russnigger projection always makes me laff

>>510153812
>Iskanders have horrible CEP, FABs have terrible killchains (and CEP too),
The ones I've seen were pretty good. You sound like some Tom Clancy reader.

>>510152331 (OP)
Rus orc incompetence

>>510152331 (OP)
>What caused the stalemate?

>>510152331 (OP)
You know the whole point wad to take the eastern blasts, the regions that held referendums to leave Ukraine and be a part of Russia. You aren't falling for the MSM narrative that Russia wants to take all of Ukraine and then Euroupe are you?

>>510152331 (OP)
Poor coordination on both sides.

Armies with poor coordination, logistical coordination and poor training are at a severe disadvantage when attacking.

Remember Russia's 100km traffic jam? Remember the fact they fail to have air superiority against a force with no planes? If Russia werent fighting a small unprepared country, theyd have lost in the 1st season because they are that bad at offense.

>>510152331 (OP)
it's drones you dumbass

>>510153321
to train them to be lgtbq and flood Europe with refugees ofc.

>>510152331 (OP)
Both sides are niggers

>>510152974
>iraq
>destroyed by usa in 1990
>strangled to death for a decade
>no outside assistance
>ruled by ethnic minority
>usa and massive collision went "all in" sparing nothing because there were no threats they had to worry about taking advantage
>america still lost and 10 years later left with their enemies further entrenched then when they started.
>ukraine:
>propped up and subsidized by russia for 20 years
>armed supplied and trained for 10 years by usa and nato
>homogenous population
>constant outside assistance of cash, investment, weapons, ammo, intelligence, planning, training, equipment, vehicles,
>the worlds largest military alliances is constantly looking for weaknesses and openings to exploit to damage russia on other fronts,
>extreme eccinomic warfare being waged against russia
>ten years from now russia will not be bleeding to death from an insurgency
the difference is beating up a kid surrounded by a group of you friends and still losing
vs beating up a kid who you want to eventually be your friend while being surrounded by your enemies hoping to stab you in the back the moment you drop your guard

>>510152679
Ukraine is in a total mobilisation mode since mid 2024. Yeat their army was 600k in the beginning and 800k as of 2025 jan. They must have lost millions and have no men to replace them. It won't take ages. 2 years max.

>>510152331 (OP)
Reconnaissance and artillery spotting drones were a thing from the very first days of the war

Another factor that contributed is that Ukraine's backers having hundreds of reconnaissance satellites mean it's hard for Russia to mass troops for a large-scale offensive without Ukraine knowing about it

Basically this is simply confirming that russian military theory is retarded and there way or organizing for deep battle doesn't work.

Anyone else notice a delay between their posts and them actually appearing in threads?

>>510152546
This and using the war to purge undesirables. Everyone just magically forgot most of the initial deployment were prisoners.

>>510152785
>I don't think Ukraine has the manpower to sustain it for a century desu
A couple months ago, a Dutch officer who regularly does analysis of the Ukraine War on youtube commented that many Ukrainian units are at like 50-60% strength.

Keep in mind, Ukraine had already drafted a million men a year ago. On top of their initial army plus recruits. Ukraine's real losses have to be insane.

yes ukraine is fighting a losing battle and yes they are on borrowed time but it is taking way too long. and russians too are getting tired of this. at least they are winning but it is a costly win and can turn into a phyrric victory if they dont end this soon. a million russian dead is a huge cost.

it is the same old story.
ukranians are no different than the arabs, kurds, and armenians.
just dispoable cannon fodder for fighting other peoples wars. the optics of the west is in the fucking dumpster.
the shit that is spewed by senators by senators like Lindsay today was spewed by other senators for armenians just a century ago.
but people forgot.
the same news headlines were plastered all over the newspapers, the same shit verbatim.
>all we need to do is to supply them with weapons and they will do the fighting for us.
>to the last armenian.

it is fucking disgusting.

>>510179145
it is not the drones.
most of the casualties on this war is still due to artillery.
drones have a media factor since they have video feeds by nature but they are not responsible for most of the casualties.
artillery was called the god of war and that saying holds true even today.
most military doctrines are becoming obsolete but the good old artillery is still standing strong and will be relevant in many wars to come. tanks are already obsolete tech.

the drone deaths are just shit that is posted on pol. an artillery barrage on a patch of land can neutralize a 100 soldiers or more. even if they dont die they become deaf, blind and crippled.

If America was stalled out 100 less then 100 miles into Mexico with hundreds of thousands of dead Americans nobody would look at that as winning. Russian are unique in there love for suffering though, they are very subservient people who loving dying for no meaning for the sake of a dictator.

>>510186046
what about ukranians then?
they are dying for other people. they are dying for other peoples ambitions.
they are nothing but cannon fodder. they die while senators like Lindsay say shit like ukranians will fight to the last ukranian.
he actually said this is the best deal we got.
>russians are dying, no matter the cost, this is the best deal for us.
motherfucker said this verbatim.

the same shit was said by other senators a century ago. a century ago senators and newspapers we peddling the same shit.
but they were saying it for armenians.
it is the age old tragedy.

at least russians are dying for their country.
at the very least.
not getting sacrificed for other countries and ulterior motives.

>>510152331 (OP)
Neither front line had any weak points so there was no opportunity for breakthrough.
WWI style
You might wonder why WWII was so different. Well because WWII saw armor innovation where armor outpaced anti armor and industry at the time wasn’t able to produce armor and anti armor in sufficient number to cover the entire front.
Today they have high quality anti armor across the entire front meaning the traditional mode of break through using tanks is nullified.

>>510152546
A lot of cope replies.
But yes the Russians could have overrun Ukraine but their losses would have been catastrophic and I mean catastrophic as in the US would immediately launch an invasion of Russia. We are talking Russia overrunning Ukraine leads to Russia having literally less than 20,000 men under arms left.