This country began as a papal experiment to undermine Spanish superiority. It then became a Jesuit playground to weaken our colonial ambitions and the wealth that came with it.

>>510179277 (OP)
>What is your country's secret history?
Not sure but in revolves around sodomy.

>>510179277 (OP)
Someone posted this yesterday and I thought it was interesting that there is such a large difference in haplogroup r1b between Portugal and Spain.

>>510179450
We are African BVLLS

>>510179277 (OP)
Why don't you just speak Spanish like normal Iberians? Did the Jesuits invent your language as part of their experiment?

>>510179450
Stupid fucking american moron. Haplogroups mean nothing. Portuguese and Spanish are virtually genetically identical. Stupid fat fucking moron spouting opinions about shit he knows nothing about.

>>510179277 (OP)
The last Portuguese Jewish relative in my family left the Azores in the 1700s

>>510180101
Brazilian goof moron idiot.

There is an organization of the 13 most powerful Jewish families in Europe; families who were not royalty but rather facilitated the royal houses of Europe to maintain and expand their control. With the discovery of the New World this group saw a golden opportunity. Tired of their useful pariah status in Europe but cognizant of the troubles usurping European power would entailed, the 13 families came upon the idea of starting over in the New World. They saw the New World as a place where they could remake the world in their own image. They wanted it to operate with them in absolute control of the wealth it generated and the behind-the-scenes influence and prestige that God-level wealth commanded.

The 13 families saw the New World as the means to have the power of European royalty, a chance to rewrite their script from the beginning without interference from their royal clients, the politics of governments, or the idiosyncrasies of a society that was beyond their control. To actualize this goal, the 13 families offered to give up their possession, status, and influence in Europe for a free hand of all "unclaimed territories" in the New World. Unfortunately, England also saw the benefit of accessing the gold and glory that came from owning its own piece of the New World. Consequently, it refused to accept the Jew's proposal by greenlighting the establishment of a colony on Roanoke Island. The 13 families decided to impress upon the British Crown and other European royalty that the New World belonged to them. They underscored this point with the wholesale slaughter of the Roanoke colony, leaving only the word "Croatoan" carved into a wooden post in the settlement. To this day, the meaning of the word remains a mystery to most of the world. But to the powers that be in Europe - its message is crystal clear: "The America belongs to us."

tl;dr: America, from the start, was founded as a criminal empire to be ruled over in secret by the jews.

>>510179611
As-salamu alaykum

>>510180286
Are you mad, Matamoros?

>>510180455
>"Croatoan"
Yeah, sorry about that. We're the jews.

>>510179741
Portugal predates Spain

>>510180455
>13 most powerful Jewish families
Okay but what are their names?

I don't even have to answer that this shithole where I live is a social experiment in racial miscegenation.

Where to begin

>>510179450
there probably isn't
you would find a gradient all over the peninsula
you could go from village to village from portugal to spain and find people looking and behaving (and almost talking, were it not for arbitrary borders) pretty much the same

>>510179277 (OP)
Endless disagreement and every man for himself

>>510181265
It would have worked if the government had not stopped bringing white settlers in the 19th and 20th centuries and had made everyone forget about non white ancestry. Of course, you’d still have some black people, but they would be a minority. Brazil could be like Argentina if it weren’t for the dumb brown nationalists who took over the government in the past century

>>510179741
The Jesuits only came into play AFTER the colonial period kicked off, they were created just 40 years after the discovery of Brazil, during a time in which us and Spain were reaping excellent dividends. The other european states started kvetching at the sight of a rich Iberia and created the Jesuits, whose mission was to divert limited iberian resources towards unfeasible exploits, under the noble guise of the expanison of the catholic faith. This lead to overextension and a lack of consolidation of colonial properties, leaving many of them open to pillaging by foreign powers, like the Dutch, French and English, and many of their natural wealth untouched. The journeys to China and Japan were always going to end in disaster, and only served to accomplish the death of valuable sailors.
The other downside of this Jesuit dependence, was that the riches that made their way to the homeland, would be diverted towards religious causes, such as donations to the clergy, churches, monasteries and "holy" parades, because the jesuits had a monopoly in education, with which they could manipulate the people, including the monarchs, into doing their bidding. All the advisors to the king, at some point, were jesuit or jesuit-affiliated, and made sure the homebound gold wouldn't get put to good use, such as aiding Spain in its european conquests, and building infrastructure and industry.
Portugal was always a Vatican project, it was only recognized as an independent state by a papal bull, and it was so to undermine Spain, the european country most feared by everyone.

>>510179407
>Not sure but in revolves around sodomy.
Rare self-aware jew. You go in the oven last

>>510179407
To eventually become enslaved by ZOG and do the bidding of Fuhrer Bibi and to promote sodomy via globohomo.

>>510179983
>Portuguese and Spanish are virtually genetically identical
Not only that, the Portuguese cultural identity, as separate from Spain, was especially retconned so that we would have cultural continuity with the "lusitanians", a people who lived somwhere in western Iberia who wouldn't submit to Rome (convenient parallel for Portugal and Spain). This association was especially developed in the 19th century by nationless intellectuals to further cement the "Portuguese" identity.
Spain never managed to take Portugal because it was always being pressured from all sides, and this was by design. They never fully committed to reverting our independence, because they could never afford to, because if that happened, then a unified Spain (as in, Peninsula Hispania) would steamroll all of Europe. The (((English))) naturally saw our existence as a most useful circumstance. The Vatican, being an ally of central european monarchs, leveraged the spiritual weight it held with us. Christianity doomed Iberia, if you think it's good as is, know it could've been much better.
Portugal is an anomaly. It should not have existed. It was always an excuse to deny the Hispanic Man its divine destiny.

>>510179277 (OP)
Explain this human sacrifice demon worship tunnel.

>>510179277 (OP)
Saint Patrick was a Welsh slave, and the snakes were Satanists.

>>510180455
There are aspects of America that are not Jewish, but anyone will spiritual discernment knows this. America as a system is inherently Jewish. Why do you think everyone outside of America calls it great Satan?

>>510182870
Lmao,it all goes back to a specific papal bull.

>>510179277 (OP)
India as a nation was always controlled by a really strong kingdom from Gangetic belt since Mauryan time.

>>510179983
>no axis labels
>no graph label
>ME label, who is "ME"?
C+ anon. See me after class

>>510181122
Spain is just Greater Castile, and the latter is older than Portugal as a kingdom. The kingdom that used to be called Castile adopted the name Spain in reference to the Roman designation of the peninsula as a whole, for purely political reasons (consolidation of territory). The Portuguese are Spanish as well, under this lens. Portugal, contrary to what some might think, wasn't born out of a desire of a people for independence, nor was it continuously inhabited by an ancestral race notably separate from any other in the region. It was purely a matter of political opportunism by aristocrats backed by bloodlusted monarchs elsewhere.
Portugal did achieve incredible feats by itself, but the people were always Spanish, genetically the same, whatever genetical changes you might observe today weren't the case back then.

>>510183499
Not true, Portuguese are way more Canaanite. Not as bad as Sicilians, but you're no Catalonians either.

>>510183499
I can smell the beto in your posts
I bet you're short. either dark curly hair, tanned skin and fucked up facial features, or vaguely down syndrome-ish, pale, and blonde
you're a big fan of sporting and conveniently ignore the gipsies and blacks that play for it. at any other time, you're a raging racist. even more so if you're a dark beto. those are filled with self hate
you're a monarchist too, I bet

>>510183218
Yes it does. But the average Portuguese has been so brainwashed by the history curriculum that they will outright deny that we're culturally and genetically spanish because we discovered Brazil or something.
We were meant to be a mere instrument to subvert Spain's ambitions, from the beginning. Then the Hispanic spirit overcame, and we sailed across the world and started making germanic tyrants sweat. We went from a useful circumstance to a worrying prospect. And just like it, it's now our turn to be the subverted ones, when the Jesuits appear.
>>510183985
There it is lmao. Absolute moorish post.

>>510179277 (OP)
So what was up with Marquis Pombal. Portugal had their own version of Oliver Cromwell but no one talks about it. He also evicted the Jesuits.

>>510183910
>Catalonians
Those are a Frenchified anomaly. But we also have a lot of phoenician due to our coastal roots.

>>510179277 (OP)
>It then became a Jesuit playground to weaken our colonial ambitions and the wealth that came with it.
Go to Mass and stop spouting protestant anti Catholic vomit like an idiot.

>>510179277 (OP)
my country is the last remnants of the roman empire
btfo seething faggots

>>510184111
>no one talks about it.
He's suppressed in school curriculums as "the man who rebuilt the capital after a massive earthquake", going over how he dismantled the jesuits and their religious/education/banking empire and also BTFO the aristocrat class. He is the most important man in the history of the country after maybe the 1st king, the 6th and an Infant.

>>510181981
When the Templars were liquidated their assets were moved into Portugal and converted into the Order of Christ. John I was part of this order and Henry the Navigator was his son. After the colonial period began this order married into the noble houses of Aragon and created the Order of Montesa. This Order of Montesa eventually came to include the Borgia family. Ignatius Loyola while credited with creating the Jesuits (he was an ex-Cathar from a group called the Alumbrados) didn't write up their constitution the Jesuits formally began with Francis Borgia who promptly disbarred all Jews from entering the order when the constitution was drawn up.

>>510184111
In my country, we learn that he forbade us from developing industries and factories. He also managed to suppress creole languages like Língua Geral and make people switch to speaking Portuguese. At that time, we were still Portugal. Sometimes I wish independence had never happened, it feels strange not to be Portuguese anymore, because the way our history is taught doesn’t really make sense

>>510184976
>he forbade us from developing industries and factories
>the marquis wanted Brazil to be a tradcath heaven
VGH

>>510179277 (OP)
If you don;t go to Mass I don;t give a shit what you think and you don;t speak for any of the good people of Portugal either.

>>510184166
Phoenician is what the Greeks called them. Canaanite is what they called themselves.

>>510179277 (OP)
Your country is full of NIGGERS. You are a Moor. A fucking NIGGER MUSLIM.

>>510179277 (OP)
wasnt portugal owned by templars at some point?

>>510184592
>When the Templars were liquidated their assets were moved into Portugal
Their Portuguese assets only, afaik
>Henry the Navigator was his son
One of the most based men in the history of the country. He looked around him, thought to himself "fuck this, we're a disaster waiting to happen" and proceeded to campaign for territorial expansion beyond Europe.
>Ingatius was an ex-alumbrado
Very fitting since both of those institutions are all about social engineering
>Jesuits formally began with a Borgia
The pope at it again, trying to keep the Hispanic man down. I hate italo-germanics so fucking much.

We secretly won WW2. If you know, you know.

>>510185215
I don't mind either term, phoenician sounds better to me is all. Canaanites are based though they defeated YHWH in battle.

>>510182870
>was especially retconned so that we would have cultural continuity with the "lusitanians", a people who lived somwhere in western Iberia who wouldn't submit to Rome (convenient parallel for Portugal and Spain)
They lived into spanish extremadura as well. Its fair to say that they are definitely not the primary ancestor group to most portuguese.

>>510185338
I don't get to speak with very many people who like Iberian history. Are you familiar with Ramon Llull? Do you know why he was depicted with a Phrygian cap? No one seems to have a good answer why, but this guy laid the framework for what later became Principia Mathematica with his Ars Magna.

>>510185305
No, what effectively happened was that when the Templars were dissolved, Portugal conceded them special rights to settle in the country, and donated them plenty of lands, along with a rebranding. The reason being to help defend less populated territories, and they weren't the first military-religious order to be offered to settle these places.
What I find interesting is that these supposed knights for good were basically expulsed from everywhere they helped conquer in rather violent fashion. Curious...

>>510185338
To this day I never understood that hat, isn't it supposed to be a tiny hat?

>>510185048
It would have been a good thing desu. But you really need to stop being so anti Lusitanian, it’s NOT cool. We’re ATLANTIC, not Mediterranean or Hispanic

>>510185663
>Ramon Llull
I am not familiar with him.
>Why was he depicted phrygian cap
If I had to guess, it's the usual explanation: whomever depicted him like that was ideologically charged, so they fabricated aspects of those who can no longer argue for themselves, for legitimacy reasons, albeit fraudulent.
>>510185994
No, it's supposed to be a "See that continent over there? It's mine now, retard" hat. They don't make them anymore, unfortunately.
>>510186332
I just don't appreciate how people claim this cultural descendance when there is next to nothing we know of them, because they just happened to have an appropriate known lore for our rulers' intents at a specific time. It's no less pathetic than a white person claiming to be an ancient israelite.

>>510179611
cala te caralho burro do caralho

>>510186960
Ok New Pernambuco.

>>510186332
Also the historical lusitanians were inland dwellers, they took to mountainous regions with rugged terrain and rough conditions overall, no atlantic influence there, which is based, and very much unlike any modern portuguese who can't deal with the slightest hardship (all of them).

>>510185338
nvm o que disse antes Chad de lore portuguesa.
where did you get all this data from ?

>>510184053
>There it is lmao. Absolute moorish post.
so that's a yes

>>510187123
Did you know that the tribe Tupinambá, which inhabited the pernambuco region before the portuguese arrival, was so deathly afraid of our superior technology, that they fled inland to the amazon forest and proceeded to genocide the local populations to make room for themselves? Indios sure are hypocritical peoples!

>>510179611
based afro-euro-latin BVLL

>>510187427
Lmao butthurt,classic.

>>510187223
History books (not modern obviously), although I've been getting lazier with this heat.

>>510187427
>was so deathly afraid of our superior technology
nigga was flexing gunpowder to natives in 1572

>>510185930
I thought they took refuge in Portugal since Spain and the rest of Europe heavily sided with the Church. From there they took to the sea. Then Spain followed and even had templar crosses on their sails, for some reason.

>>510182138
They're all self-aware retard they're all satanists.

>>510187573
They couldn't take the heat from Hispania.They would rather buttfuck their way across the Atlantic than face their superiors since there was no more 'inland' to flee towards.

>>510186960
What? We're basically Portuguese. If Okinawa got independence and 200 years passed, they'd still be Japanese. I think that apart from black ppl and those who are too brown, most here have 70 to 90% Portuguese DNA anyway. Also, the European diasporas are almost irrelevant since they mostly got assimilated into the Luso Brazilian culture. I'm part Protestant Baltic German and Italian myself and it's mostly irrelevant

>>510187591
>I thought they took refuge in Portugal
They did, we just rebranded them for PR reasons and conceded them lands because we were still very underpopulated in parts and invasion could be imminent. As for Spain I'm not so sure, but I believe other orders were more prominent.
The crosses on PT ship flags were those of the rebranded Templars, but it was more of a homage than anything as I see it, we weren't really roleplaying as templars, we still bear them in military branches. It has to do with the overt religious nature of the expanionist doctrine. These things shouldn't be taken at face value though, organized religion and purposes aligned with it are very deceptively cynical.

>>510183005
they never closed this oblivion gate

>>510183005
>>510187979
All I know of it is that it's used in masonic ceremonies? In any case, masons are a bunch of has-been LARPers, ESPECIALLY in old irrelevant Portugal.

>>510179277 (OP)
The Jesuits control Freemasonry:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/a5x2Q3JUHsOP/

The Roman Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon.

>>510179407
Zionism is a crusade but with extra steps.

>>510187900
I wasn't addressing Brazil in that post, just the lusitanians, as in, the roman-opposing lusitanians. I like Brazil despite obvious flaws, and still hold it as the promised land of Scripture (for its natural properties).

>>510187427
kek, so the fuck what.
any fellow pernambuco-descendant chads?

>>510188251
It is a true golem indeed.

>>510179741
>Why don't you just speak Spanish like normal Iberians?
Si, tu necesitas hablar espanol.

>>510185459

canaanites are not based, they are proto-jews. They are the reason for the destruction of Israel and Judah.

>>510179277 (OP)
Our secret history is that most of it is made up and cobbled together out of fables. Maori have a good history, for sure, but a lot of it is just hearsay essentially. Also just about every single one of them has an Irish or Scottish ancestor within the last 4 generations, people are probably more racist now than they were back then. We're descendants of poor people, and poor people we will remain at this rate. I pity my country

>>510179741
>google, how different languages are born
then why don't you speak english like normal english people?

>>510188472
Jews are a quirky offshoot of greater canaan. They slandered the peoples of canaan for their own reasons, but those ancient accounts are just that, slander. There is nothing wrong with canaanites in general.

>>510188610
Canaanites are Hamites. Abraham was from Ur.

>>510188715
Ham was the most based brother. I see no issue.

>>510188770

>>510179277 (OP)
>the exiles of Jerusalem who are in Sepharad

>>510180455
I have an audiobook called Roanoke hundred. Was bored to listen to it but now after this post I’ll give it a listen

>>510188184
Pretty much, but they're powerless now, and I would even go as far as saying they're a net positive because they're reputed for being intellectually progressive and honest. Since the death of religion the power scales have tipped, money rules above everything else now, but who controls the money?

>>510188129
According to Albert Pike, Freemasons are a continuation of the Knights Templar.

The Jesuits control Freemasonry:
https://old.bitchute.com/video/a5x2Q3JUHsOP/

The Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

>>510188904
The whore controls the money
https://old.bitchute.com/video/s8B3caA1hcrf/

>>510184111
Our first Tyrant or Dictator by modern standards.
A mixed bag really. The kids call it enlightened despotism. He had more authority than the king.

>>510179277 (OP)
the Indian/giants war

>>510181981
What about the story that fleeing templars from Philip the fair went to Scotland Portugal and Switzerland (covert Templar states)

>>510188871
>my sons, you must set out to Africa, find yourselves beautiful black kweens and live happily ever after. found some kingdoms while you're at it lmao
>yes, father
how is that not based as fuck?

>>510189212
IDK about the other countries but in our case we were just desperate for military manpower to man forts. But I believe it could have had something to do with religious favor? In the formative centuries our monarchs were always the goodest choys (catholic goys), anything the Vatican said was law. Then we discovered some shit across the ocean and became bigshots overnight who took no crap from anyone, until the jesuits came into play.

>>510189136
>D. José "faglord" I: uhh m-maybe we sh-should give m-more money to t-the chu-
>BASED MARQUIS OF THE PIGEONAL: you're so right my king, more money for the infrastructure and less clergy privileges!
>Jesuits: *seething impotently*

>>510179450
>R1b is Western European
>R1a is Indo Slavic
Interesting. Slavs are crypto poos.

Unfortunately there aren't many spanish anons inputting in this thread, shame. I would like to have read their takes on the jesuits and the vatican. It's the same struggle after all. I will never let a squiggly line dictate whom I should hate or cherish.

The Republic of Ireland was created between 1916 and 1922 as an experiment by the City of London and the Rhodes society to move away from a centrally controlled empire based on hard power to a decentralised commonwealth based on soft power mainly finance and banking.
After independence the government rushed through a central banking act in July 1942 when there were only a handful of elected representatives in parliament reminiscent of the events around the passage of the Federal Reserve Act during Christmas in 1913.
The Irish central bank thus became a subsidiary of the Bank of England with the same shareholders and even today the gold of the Irish central bank is held by the Bank of England and used to prop up the British commercial banking sector.
Thus Ireland although technically independent was controlled behind the scenes by the City of London in such a way that allowed the majority of the population to remain completely oblivious
>I’m going to give you two pieces of advice to take through life: Firstly, never believe anything you read in the press because we control it. Secondly, never, ever believe a politician when they say they can do something because they can’t unless we say they can.” - Sir Harry Pilkington, Director of the Bank of England 1955 - 1974

>>510190046
Americans are dumb as fuck.

>>510190879
Pretty interesting. Are young people aware of the influence the City of London has held historically?

>>510185930
How Vatican controlled Portugal and still let Templars flee and have refuge there at the same time? That don’t fit

>>510190919
Checking in

>>510191992
They had to go somewhere, and they were still fighting capable men with arms and whatnot, they can't just move them out of the picture like that. Portugal had needs, the Vatican too, and so did the knights. It was a win win win. And it's not a bad move at all to arm your pet project whose main purpose was to be a pebble in Spain's shoe, especially if it seemingly doesn't look to have the means to become an out of control threat by itself (it did).

>>510179277 (OP)
>Spanish
There were different Hispanic Kingdoms that were NOT yet unified, though it is true that the Vatican recognized Portugal being split from Leon.

It is worth noting two things:
1) The Kingdom of Portugal rejoined a unified pan-Hispanic, which by that time included not only the Basques and Catalonians, but new Hispanics such as the Kingdoms of Peru, New Spain, Philippines, etc.
2) In 1640 AD, the subhuman anglos in their hatred against America and its happy people, used their anglo agent Duke of Braganza to fabricate an anglo colony which they named "Kingdom of Portugal" which NOTHING to do with the real Portugal (Spain).
>pic rel

BTW, what is your opinion on anglos calling themselves part of "WESTERN (Hispanic-Latino-Hellenic) CIVILIZATION"??

>>510189712
I think the biggest mistake you made was expelling the Jews. Why? It just doesn’t make sense. The Sephardic Jews contributed a lot to Portugal even after their expulsion and forced conversion as marranos and new Christians. Portugal could have achieved so much more in the modern era if it had retained its Jewish population but you handed them over to the Arabs, Brits, Dutch and Ottomans for nothing. Just look at how much they did for the Ottoman Empire

>>510193262
>>Spanish
>There were different Hispanic Kingdoms that were NOT yet unified, though it is true that the Vatican recognized Portugal being split from Leon.
I meant Spanish as in encompassing all of the peninsula, as the Romans called it Hispania, and before them, it was called Sepharad. Portugal and what is now Spain were meant to be one. It's not that I don't like my country as is, but it's just so obvious how its independence after all this time was not entirely our doing. Detractors from this truth are either nationalist portuguese with little personal accomplishments who need something they can be proud of, even if they had nothing to do with it, or actual de facto vatican slaves.

>>510193323
Unirionically clergy fearmongering, look it up, the great jewish massacre of lisbon in 15something was largely because of priests accusing them of the misery felt at the time. I also find it to be a tremendous loss, but it's history now.

>>510179450
This is why humanity should punish anglos for inventing "race" and "racism"... think about the BILLIONS of people that suffered discrimination, humiliation, and tortures that led to murder.

NEVER FORGET the suffering anglos imposed on BILLIONS of innocent humans during the last four centuries... because the victims of the anglos, who watched the anglos tear their bodies and their families, WILL NEVER forget.
>pic rel (another reason for a Reconquista)

>>510179741
>doesn't know about Basque, Catalonian, or Galician
:^3

>>510193262
>BTW, what is your opinion on anglos calling themselves part of "WESTERN (Hispanic-Latino-Hellenic) CIVILIZATION"??
I think the anglos are very calculist and dangerous, and it doesn't surprise me they are as shameless as that. But I admire their feats.

>>510193548
I understood, and I agree with all your points. The only point it's difficult to prove is how the Vatican attempted to undermine the politics of Hispania.

>>510193262
>2) In 1640 AD, the subhuman anglos in their hatred against America and its happy people, used their anglo agent Duke of Braganza to fabricate an anglo colony which they named "Kingdom of Portugal" which NOTHING to do with the real Portugal (Spain).
I'm glad you touch on this, because what I'm reading currently is a faith/scripture-based work justifying the 1640 independence and promising a great reward if we kept it up, written by guess who? a jesuit. Once again undermining Hispanic unity. Holy shit I hate the vatican.

>>510179277 (OP)
vatican was protojewry before they moved to the holy roman empire, then bongistan empire and finally muttland

>>510194133
All the evidence I have is the papal bull, which by itself doesn't "prove" the intent behind it, but context helps.
The other piece of evidence also doesn't prove anything conclusively, but it's so very odd how the jesuits just appeared out of thin air in time to reap the benefits of the new world and using them to achieve unprecedented cultural influence.
This thread is pure dissertation though, everyone is free to disagree, I don't mind discussion.

>>510194170
>before they moved to the holy roman empire
they never moved entirely, just separated in 2, one of them grew more rapidly though

>>510183005
Anus

>>510179277 (OP)
we enjoyed turk rule

>>510191884
Up to a few years ago nobody was interested. Thankfully knowledge of these topics has grown a lot over the last few years so we're making progress

>>510193652
I know about that pogrom. It’s hilarious how some people think it was a good idea to lose a formidable, educated demographic just because. Portugal could have been a safe haven for all Sephardic Jews at that time since many of the Spanish Jews were running to Portugal when they got expelled (I can even trace my family back to the Spanish Jewry). Shame. I’ve read the Portuguese weren’t as antisemitic as the Spanish tho, so "Marranos" could still operate in their fleets and in some business, but still. Portugal would be richer and stronger with Jewish people in it

>>510193548
Do you think that if you were one with Spain the region now known as Portugal would be something like a portuguese-speaking Canton? Maybe a portuguese version of basque/Catalunha?

>>510195740
>Portugal would be richer and stronger with Jewish people in it
yeah, and it would be a nigger country by now probably

>>510195860
It depends on when we would have joined, and under what terms. If it had been in 1580, we'd probably be like Galiza as in today experiencing a diminishing portuguese speaking population, growing castilian speaking one, though many could still speak the former. If later, as in during Franco for example, definitely speaking portuguese pretty much as now, maybe double-rotuling everything (already happens today).
>>510193262
I must reply again to your initial clarification, for I misinterpreted it the first time around, and it's wouldn't be respectful on my behalf to leave it like that.
Yes, while it's true Castile was at a time an independent kingdom like Leon, so there wasn't this behemoth to be undermined yet, there was a holy war going on, and these independence procedures occurred in the middle of the reconquering. I find it odd that the pope would, while cognizant of these circumstances, allow the separation of administrations during what was essentially a holy war, wherein unity should make might, possibly giving way to suboptimal resource allocation, namely promoting infighting. So it strikes me as odd that despite the effort in expelling muslims, arduous as it were, the pope saw it as more advantageous to his and his ilk's goals to rectify the de jure vassalage Portugal owed Leon into a suzerainity relation to the vatican, paying sizable yearly fees while diminishing Leonese/Castilian dominion, both in already liberated and to be so territories.

>>510194139
Don't forget about the 40 conspirators, whom I've already found some anglo connections (correspondence).

>Once again undermining Hispanic unity
I think it's more complicated than that. Seeing as the Vatican was already acting as a state, with vested interests in the Latino peninsula. In this political context, the Vatican DID engage in activities against the Hispanic peninsula (such as start the black legend against the Inquisition); however, the Jesuits served the Hispanic Empire well by helping educate and integrate children in America, and debunked protestantism in all of its sects and heresies during that time.

>>510194302
>very odd how the jesuits just appeared out of thin air in time to reap the benefits of the new world
That I may explain somewhat... ALTHOUGH I don't know too much about the European side.

The Jesuits in Europe were the most educated (the order was set up as such, and their members were prepared as such). They were brought to America because of their potential, and would expand across America rapidly because of their success. Two examples that exemplifies the sort of activities and results of the Jesuits can be found in Cuzco:
1) Religious: The mass conversion of Americans by focusing on the Inca elites, this was accomplished by understanding Andean theology, and using commonalities (such as between Logos and order-making, and "light of light/true God of true God" and "sun of sun").
2) Political: The marriage between the Incas and the Borjas. Which cemented the Inca blood lines along the strongest European houses.

Bonus (economy and philosophy): The 6-hour work day, and second scholasticism.

Portugal isn't white.

>>510197560
I don't care about your anglo categorizations. the Portuguese are hispanics.

>>510197156
>I find it odd that the pope would, while cognizant of these circumstances
The history of popes in politics; religious people should focus on religious matters and stay away from politics unless they meet some strict requirements... such as having skin on the game and having made great progress in society, like Jimenez de Rada who was in the front lines during Las Navas, and is seen as the father of Hispanics for articulating Hispanic unity.

In the Battle of Covadonga, a bishop told the Hispanics in the cave to surrender to the muslims, which they disobeyed. This is seen by many Hispanics as the start of the Reconquista. On the other hand, during the Cristeros War, the pope told the Hispanics in Mexico to quit after they had begun to defeat the Anglo-Masons. They obeyed and that's why Mexico has been a shitfest.

The ONLY good anglo is a dead anglo.

>>510196791
Mashallah BROTHER salam alaikum Pakistan zindabad o algo assim
Sephardic Jews usually don't like black people, people like you

>>510197472
>however, the Jesuits served the Hispanic Empire well by helping educate and integrate children in America, and debunked protestantism in all of its sects and heresies during that time.
I agree with this, but it's unfortunately only an effect how I see it. One of the Society's key goals, cynically put, was to divert resources from hispanic countries towards works of faith, so that the extraction of resources and consolidation of territories wouldn't be as optimal as they could. Overstretching was a fact, considering the avaliable manpower, especially in the case of Portugal. Naturally, not every rank and file in the jesuits would be in on this, many would be earnest proselytizers and humanists, so good things were achieved; even regarding resource extraction, both us and the spanish managed to instrumentalize their services to pacify local populations, instead of putting them all to the sword (more manpower + fewer mutinies). But these efforts could have been achieved without the jesuits, if not as well? debatable. And this is only the beginning of the developments. There were cases of jesuits leading revolts, the most notable in Paraguay. The jesuits managed to keep a monopoly on education in Portugal, in part a good thing, on the other hand, they were the filter through which counsellors had to pass, meaning the monarchs and administrations would be compromised. They established their own banking networks, channeling extracted wealth abroad. They started out under benevolent pretenses, and ended up being a cancer, they weren't kicked out for no reason.

>>510198383
well that's sad, because NOBODY ON THE PLANET LIKES JEWS like you

>>510179277 (OP)
>This country began as a papal experiment to undermine Spanish superiority.
Portugal was de facto independent long before we got recognized as such by the pope

>>510179277 (OP)
>Viana Do Castelo
Guessing that this place is nice based on its geography

>>510190919
it's true, though. Slavs, Afghans, people of Pakistan, and people of India share DNA

>>510195740
I did not know that there was this much appreciation for Jews in Portugal.

>>510198573
it's pretty kino. also that's a weird ID

>>510179277 (OP)
>This country began as a papal experiment
Wrong. The pope took decades to acknowledge Portugal. The country was founded against everyone's will by a French noble family that couldn't make it in France. The pope funded Spain's army against Portugal numerous times since itnwas just a small County.

>>510198429
>But these efforts could have been achieved without the jesuits, if not as well?
I would say "yes and no". Yes in the sense that Jesuits were NOT the only ones mass-converting Americans into Christianity. Pacification of Americans by religious and social programs was the official policy of the Hispanic Monarchs, not mention mixing of bloodlines to strengthen that unity. HOWEVER, Jesuits were formed to be the best in (not just in theology, but in different areas of knowledge), and their accomplishments were very efficient.
>TL;DR: Jesuits were very efficient in what they did.

>Jesuits behind revolts
I'm still contextualizing all this. One of the greatest examples of that was Juan Pablo Viscardo and his writings.

>>510198573
Correct guess

>>510179277 (OP)
Portugo fenotypes, I would dick most. A few look mexican.

>>510179450
That's just a shitty study. They took the samples from southern Spain and bundled them with Portugal instead of Spain because they didn't have enough samples from Portugal. Southern Spain has much more moor blood than anywhere else in the peninsula.

>>510198513
>>510199096
The country was founded by an amoral criminal (PBUH). The pope at the time was reluctant to ratify our claim because of that, it would be apologism for being a treacherous asshole. He STILL did it because of those hefty yearly gold fees and to fuck over the pretenses of the other hispanic monarchs. The vatican changed its mind once we had proven we were of military relevance by liberating some lands south of the peninsula, so backing our official independence could be fruitful in making Leon and Castile weaker.

>>510179277 (OP)
Are you Serbian expat by chance?

Great video (in Spanish) about Hispanic globalization:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q6YRyvgJuM

>>510197560
anglophiles like you deserves to die
Go listen to some Hispanic music (PORTUGUESE):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6VbwVu2Yfw

:^3

We wouldn’t exist without British guns and german romanticism. In Greece lived a bunch of Albanians, Slavs and Aromanians would called themselves Roman which were brainwashed by the Germans so much until they suddenly became Greeks. Then came a bunch of Christian anatolians with their Armenoid phenotypes, middle eastern mentality and Turkish cuisine and created an even bigger mess that will only be fixed when this shit hole collapses.

>>510179407
Ancient MKUltra.

>>510200777
What happened to all the pvre greeks? In Portugal it is said that the last pure lusitanian (won't romanize the u's out of respect for their rebellion) still dwells somewhere in the Estrela mountain range

>>510201007
I was talking mostly about the mainland, the islanders are the purest Greeks.

>>510199236
It's weird to think that these elite brainwashers were basically wildcards that could go both ways.

>>510179277 (OP)
Christianity is an abomination. No European people have been more destroyed by christianity than the Iberians and other Meds. We need to find a new identity and break free from christcuckery or we will become a straight up African country.
Unfortunately it's very hard to find information about the Iberian pantheon or the Lusitanians. That should be our true identity.

>>510198922
https://youtu.be/_FnbPtm5QYw?si=YOBofZIoa6RbtrPU

>>510199549
Literally every study shows Portugal/Western Iberia has the highest admixture

>>510201261
>the Lusitanians. That should be our true identity
The only connection we have to them is that they once lived in some of our land. They are a romantic retcon. We are actually a mixture of many peoples, lusitanians included. In any case, if we have to chose one, I'd go with the Ofíusa, a snake-worshipping people who inhabited the Tagus-rivermouth region. Even since antiquity, northerners were already just the background characters.

>>510188338
tupis are nearly extinct, fault of the kariwa you are replying to.

>>510201087
could you post a pic of one? could be a celeb or anyone who's not even greek that just looks it

>>510201261
>the crusader state who only exists because of christianity calls it a curse

>>510202120
The only Greek everyone should think of when they imagine a Greek, and Greece's greatest contribution to humanity since Plato.

>>510202271
>it's better to be an independent shithole instead of ruling a planetary empire centered in your ancestral peninsular homeland

>>510181122
You are retarded

>>510202451
I didn't make that choice, the bragança did

>>510179277 (OP)
>This country began as a papal experiment to undermine Spanish superiority.
Interesting. Tell more, I have absolutely no idea of the history of Portugal

>>510202852
>>510202852
He's an anglo.

>>510179277 (OP)
Based pork and beans
Our oldest ally
And you got doublets too
Portugal is Blessed

>>510202996
>early middle of the reconquista
>there are three main kingdoms in north Iberian, Galicia, Leon and Castile
>portugal was a county in Galicia, liberated from Almoravid
>son of the count of Portugal (french dynasty) decides he doesn't want to be a vassal and revolts against Leon, signs treaty and breaks it, courts the pope for his recognition of independence instead
>gets it after some papal successions admittedly as a reward for reconquering lands south
>spanish monarchs are stopped from taking the territory back due to respect for the pope and extreme piety
nevermind that during the time it took for the Pope to bestow it (nearly 40 years), we were a de facto independent country, because Spain would have taken it back as soon as the moors were dealt with, and they would've had the right of it since it was born out of treason. It's just that the pope stepped in once he had an excuse, he wouldn't have risked commending treachery so openly, but as soon as the circumstances allowed it, he stabbed the other, more powerful and legitimate hispanic kingdoms in the back (and not for nothing, a yearly hefty sum of gold was due to the vatican for this honor, and de facto vassalage to the Vatican).

>>510201718
>Ofiusa
Never heard of that. Sounds interesting but there's always so little that we know, it's frustrating. What about the ancient gods like Trebaruna or Endovelico? I am 100% Lusitanian.

German nationalism is fake outside of soccer. We pretend it is real but everybody first identifies with the city and region where we life in as was the case for centuries prior.

We were the only country after WW2 that didn't condemn German collaborators and we even gave them money and high government positions that eventually established fascist dictatorship again (with American help)

>>510204236
>Endovelico
I only knew that one and Bandua. But I'm not sure about what they stood for, much less the second, Endo I belive was a patron of healing/medicine?

>>510204212
>liberated from Almoravid
Sorry, from Al Andalus

>>510204384
that's really weird to hear, i was always impressed how bismarck managed to unite such diverse germany and always quoted it as an example it could be easily done

>>510201718
Why don't you just mix Christianity with the Iberian pantheon to crate something like Mandaeism? I don't think worshiping snakes would be such a great idea but okay

>>510204212
>Spain would have taken it back as soon as the moors were dealt with, and they would've had the right of it since it was born out of treason
Not only that, there wouldn't be a mobilizing force outside of aristocratic lust for power, there was no unified national identity, it doesn't come in 40 years, and there was nothing resembling that there prior. It was a opportunistic coup for power. There was no legitimacy of any kind.

>>510204441
yeah, that was america, they really didn't want communism in greece or itally

>>510204673
>I don't think worshiping snakes would be such a great idea but okay
Why not? It'd be great for your tourism industry, lots of portuguese taking yearly trips to pic related (in your country's waters) like muslims do to Mecca kek

>>510183499

> The kingdom that used to be called Castile adopted the name Spain in reference to the Roman designation of the peninsula as a whole, for purely political reasons (consolidation of territory). The Portuguese are Spanish as well, under this lens.

Yeah this is the exact same thing Trump means when he says that Canada belongs to America.

Spain = Hispania = Roman name for Iberia. It’s a geographic location that by definition includes Portugal. The Spanish government is a government that claims to represent unified rule over that geographic location.

Same thing with us. America is the geographical location. Canada is part of that geographic location. The United States of America is a government claiming manifest authority over all states in America. Canada is by definition an intrinsic part of US territory.

>>510204600
the prussians were hated here in the city because they were protestants and cracked down
napoleon was liked more when he invaded, for unification the prussians financed the completion of our catholic cathedral

>>510179277 (OP)
Idiotice.

>>510204673
> I don't think worshiping snakes would be such a great idea but okay
we have been doing that for fucking centuries now. Never heard of Bouina or Boitatá?

>>510204889
>won't include mexico
too selective to be able to be definitional I'm afraid.

>>510179277 (OP)
My country started as a slave trading post where slavs were sold to jews

>>510204889
Castilians naming themselves after the entire region was an arrogant move, and you naming yourself after the entire continent is somehow even more so.

hitler sounds like an angry rural hick and nazi comes from a rural provincial sounding name ignatz, when you use nazi you use an insult similar to hick, reckneck or white trash

>>510179277 (OP)
There used to be 4 Scandinavian nations, and parts of Norway belonged to Gothia. The endless wars between Denmark-Norway and Sweden was about who was the rightful king of Gothia, and after a few centuries Gohia was written out of the history so Scandinavia could have peace again.
The Swedish coats of arms still have Gothia, but it's history is gone.

>>510205091
Jews were not even there yet

>>510205091
>>510205330
jews aren't even real, I've never seen one, therefore not real

>>510205096
the first king that was given the title of "imperator of all hispania" was from leon iirc, castille was just a small county from the kingdom of leon
and we dont name ourselfs anything, we are

>>510204474
Don't know. We need to reawaken the ancient gods
>>510204673
Fuck christcuckery it made us weak
>>510204870
Our sacred animal is the wolf or the lynx or perhaps some water animal like migrant-murdering orcas
We need a whole new story to inspire us, this applies to all Europeans in general as well

>>510199272
Lovely country
I have a good intuition for these things
>>510199078
Idyllic location. My ID is a weird one.

>leonese monarch: one people, the Hispanic people
>some brat with delusions of grandeur: uhh actually I broke this treaty and unilaterally claim independence, so fuck your world domination scheme
frenchoids everyone

>>510205091
I don't buy that.
Slavs are just people that ended up speaking old Church Slavonian.
The Shitolic church probably faked your history though, so you would hate your orthodox and protestant brothers.

>>510205679
Weird my ID changed. Never seen that before.

>>510205503
Fernando I
Imperator totius Hispaniae
Imperador de todas as Hespanhas

>>510205682
He was Burgundian, not Frank.

>>510179277 (OP)
We were soulful and pagan for longer than most of europe. Then germyids came and fucked everything up.

>>510205810
proto-french then. you know what, I added the "oid" so I'm still right

>>510179277 (OP)
I see a Chad face in this image

>>510205919
Yes, and a thousand years later its the nexus of subhumanity.

20 years from now when the boomers are finally dead and gone.

We have hominids from the 5 corners of the planet in a microstate the size of two sardine cans.

>>510206000
Take some anti-psychotics

>>510204870
Really? I didn't know that
>>510204949
We don't worship snakes as gods tho. That's just a military symbol in your pic, and boitatá is just Amerindian folklore

>>510179277 (OP)
We are the only ROMAN BVLLS left

>>510205503
> was given the title of "imperator of all hispania"

>>510206208
Clean my toilet, dalit.

>>510206257
>tf
>tp

>>510206167
the indios did not create giant depictions of it to parade around while the people cheer at its image.

The nordics/germanics have their norse religion to fall back to and so do the italians/greeks with their own pantheons.
Meanwhile we don't have shit, all ancient Iberian beliefs were wiped out, our connection to Atlantis erased from history.
Is that a good or a bad thing? We are free from the past and once again we must lead the way into the unknown just like our sailors did but this time into a completely new spiritual land noone else is brave enough to sail to.
One genius among us is fated to save our people.

>>510205652
you have to understand to the closest thing to a strong pagan religion in portugal is probably african, and you are being desperate enough to seek out gods you don't even know the name of. What's the point then? this is just larping, you might as well just worship Odin.

>>510206226
Kinda hard when Afonso II recognized him as Imperator.

He had the Portuguese assenting to his larp after Navas de Tolosa.

>>510206380
Os Aztecas tinham Quetzalcoatl.
Os Incas tinham Amaru.

Os macacosileiros tinham isto?

>>510189267
get out of europe shitskin

>>510206489
>One genius among us is fated to save our people.
He is among us already. O MEU IMPERADOR!

>>510206592
>seek out gods you don't even know the name of

É só ler Gilberto de Lascariz.

>>510206602
>Quetzalcoatl
tbf it was also a snake albeit with some kitschy shit like wings

>>510206795
Its the Plumed Serpent. The general totem of the Amerindians.

The Incas called it Amaru.

>>510206865
>The Incas called it Amaru.
The Incas literally worshiped my neighbor Sr. Amaro. Small world.

>>510207085
The head of the pantheon was Inti, the Sun God.
Amaru was secondary.

>>510182870
I agree with this and think we are still in time to create Iberogallo and solidify the best geographical location on Earth (center of the relevant globe, extremely defensible borders, biggest sea perimeter and best climate conditions).
This should have been done when Spain was busy with French faggots by sending them forces and a reworked flag.

>>510179277 (OP)
I thought Portugal was just the trailer park section of Spain, known for the poor and degenerate peoples that inhabit it.

>>510206602
É uma sucuri gigante, reza a lenda que dorme debaixo de Belém do Pará.

>>510207647
If you think we're bad, you should look into Galiza, the region immediately above us. Everyone is either an uber hick, or an actual mobster, no in between.

>>510207647
>trailer park section of Spain

Thats Andalusia.

>>510207754
Não havia uma deusa-sucuri que transformou um índio num sucuri macho e lhe deu a ciência de como viver na floresta?

Lembro-me de ler um conto índio assim.
Os tupis ainda não tinham teologia desenvolvida e ainda rodopiavam em torno do animismo xamânico.

>>510185355
>le jew hitler meme

>>510185663
The cap was to represent him as a mystic. He is well known in the Catalan area, his books and his life are still studied in high school. One of his best known books among the students is probably “the book of the beasts”.

viva iberia

>>510207922
>deusa-sucuri que transformou um índio num sucuri macho
Essa é a lenda de Yube, bem parecida. Mbóiuna é uma lenda tupi-amazonica, a manifestação do rio amazonas, não é uma deusa mas um monstro marinho que controla rios.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiuna

>>510179277 (OP)
In this thread... lies by a retarded cuckold on a Saturday night. We were better off with my Risk Threads...

>This country began as a papal experiment to undermine Spanish superiority.

Fucking retard. This country began, well the State actually, as an affront to the Papacy. And as our first King was recognised by Spain (actually the Kingdom of León) as an independent ruler but not yet as full blown King, he recognised his cousin, the King of Leon, as Emperor above him.

>It then became a Jesuit playground to weaken our colonial ambitions and the wealth that came with it.

The Jesuits were extremely important in helping us conquer and keep our colonies.
They had some rebellious spirit only in the XVIII century. Fuck off, child.

>>510208791
Iberia etymologically descends from the river Ebro and thus only the eastern portion of the peninsula, please refer to it as Hispania or Sepharad from now on, please.

>>510207647
Portugal is europe's favela.

>>510206208
etrvscan bulls. we bulled you down

>>510208869
>or Sepharad

Kike shut up.

Tell me I'm not the only one who sees it.

>>510208869
hispania derives from non-european sources. i rather iberia.

also, "hispania" has been polluted due to its label over much of the new world

>>510208873
that's naples

>>510209084
>hispania derives from non-european sources
So does Europe.

>>510209084
>hispania derives from non-european sources

Hispania from Greek source, Hisperia, named after the star Hisper.

The most western star used to navigate west.

What drugs are you smoking?

>>510209223
The name "Hesperia" primarily derives from the Greek word hesperos (ἑσπερος), meaning "western" or "of the evening," which was then adopted into Latin as Hesperia. Historically, it served as a poetic name for the "land of the west," used by ancient Greeks to refer to Italy and by Romans to describe Spain or regions beyond.
Key aspects of Hesperia's etymology and usage:
Origin:
It stems from the Proto-Indo-European root *wes-pero-, related to "evening" or "night".
Meaning:
"Western land" is its literal translation, reflecting its association with the setting sun and the westernmost parts of the ancient world.
Applications:
Beyond its geographical references, "Hesperia" is also found in mythology as one of the Hesperides, nymphs associated with evening and sunset. In astronomy, celestial bodies and even a geological region on Mars bear the name.

>can you niggers google

>>510208869
its the name that the greeks gave us, obviously their vision of iberia wasnt complete at the time, but is the same thing as hispania

>>510209084
the word Europe is derived from a Phoenician princess who was raped by Zeus in the form of a bull and you care about this?

>>510181981
1) The Jesuits were created by based Basque Saint Ignacio de Loyola, in what was then the Kingdom of Castille, that is, Spain.

2) The Jesuits were created with the express goal of fighting for Christ, converting people overseas - mostly in our Iberian colonies - and especially to fight Prottie cucks and their retarded heresies.

3) The Jesuits added unbelievebale wealth to our Iberian Kingdoms / Empires. Fuck you, child.

4) There was no overextension of our Iberian possessions. For crying out loud Spain conquered all of Spanish America in the early XVI century and kept it until Napoleon invaded it;
Portugal took over the Indian Ocean as its own lake until the Dutch fucked us over because the Spaniards had sort of conquered us and were in for ever wars in Europe, caring little for our Empire.

5) The ventures into the Far East were extremely profitable. A monopoly like the Portuguese had regarding trade with China and then Japan was among the most lucrative endeavours of our Empire, probably only competing with our influence over India, except in the Far East, there were no moslems to make us bleed all the time.

6) Riches being diverted to religious causes is what Civilised societies do. Our Churches were always a testament - the most important testament - to our wealth. And I'm not referring just in Portugal, but throughout all of Africa, Brazil, India and East Asia.
To Spain it's even more clearly so with their Churches in the Americas. You are a barbarian.

7) Back then, Euro countries were only really independent when recognised by the Vatican. Fuck off you ignorant piece of shit.

>>510209423
Dumbfucks.

The word Ibar means river in Basque.
Iber river, Ebro river.

Iberia is an endonym.

>>510208942
Retard. At least learn what the word "etymology" means before typing your confused emotions about words.

>>510209520
You niggers are aware that the East wind in Greek was called Euros.

Literally springing from Eos (morning).

Hence the myth of Europe coming from the East like the morning.

Europe is completely Greek in etymology.

>>510184592

The Order of Christ (Templars) always remained Portuguese. The Catalan variant was always exceedingly inefficient.
The Order of Christ was pretty much in charge of our Overseas Empire and it kept on existing until 1834.
It was extinguished by kikes in the wake of the aftermath of the Napoleonic clusterfuck.

No jews were allowed, obviously.
And all jews were supposed to be hunted, although that was mostly a job for the Inquisition, which in Portugal died with the Order of Christ, at the same time, for the same reason (kikes).

>>510209204
Fuck greeks for naming us after a s*mitic phoenician princess traumatised by a BVLL

>>510209520
the name hispania has also been corrupted by the mess that spain and portugal left in the new world

>>510206592
Fuck off retard it's quite the pathetic existence to be constantly seething about us... Get over it.
You should do the same thing and reawaken your gods instead of this perpetual angst towards us.
Every non-lusitanian pure blood must be deported.

>>510209763
The name Europe is not Semitic.

>>510209084
you anglos are less than shit... such many cases

>>510189212
It's true, Portugal and Switzerland mostly.
Scotland was always a big nothing. I only heard about that Roselyn or whatever Church in which they hid the supposed Graal.
Nothing about Scotland is believable.

Portugal and Switzerland, on the other hand... but they were very different projects. Portugal was for world domination with or within Spain, while Switzerland was just a secure base in a sort of difficult to conquer and strategic mountain location.
For a few centuries, Swiss mercenaries were considered the best fighters in Europe. Thanks to the Templars.
That's why even today they guard the Pope, because they were considered the best and the most loyal and uncurrptible of all Christendom.

>>510209916
im an italo american bvll

>>510209966
PVRE ETRVSCAN BVLL

>>510209916
yet you're in my country. go back to mexico brown boy

>>510209002
Lol

>>510209817
>S*mitic religion s*mitic name
Fuck this shit
Parents were both chriscucks and they named me Samuel which is a corruption of Shmuel....fucking Shmuel

>>510182870
>Christianity doomed Iberia
Agreed. You should have stayed muslim, and Siciliy as well. Everything went down after reconquista and crusades

>>510209544
Agree with everything, though one clarification:

The Hispanic Empire did NOT had colonies... Hispanics can leverage this historical fact to impose that ANY colony that Portugal MIGHT have had, SHOULD be blamed on the anglos (the invaders against America).

id love to know more. i know how jews went about conquering pretty much every european country, some multiple times, but dont know shit about portugal. and then one day, for no reason at all, they just became a superpower? clearly it was just a base with which to push jew worship. jesuits, like you said.

>>510197156
You are a faggot.
D. Afonso Henriques became King and then was recognised by the Pope exactly because he conquered much more than the Spaniards were interested in conquering.

Otherwise we wouldn't have been independent.
D. Afonso Henriques became King also because there was a rift in the then Kingdom of Galiza administered by his mother after the death of his father.
His mother (the rightful Queen) teamed with the aristocracy of Galiza (the highest in the Kingdom) and they were for exerting their influence over an ever larging all emcopassing Empire/Kingdom of León - which if we look at the History was pretty much in the hands of the Nobility of Galiza and whose Kings descended also from the Nobility of Galiza - but D. Afonso Henriques, her son, rebelled against her precisely because the local Nobility of Portucale (Northern Portugal) wanted to expand to the South, which they saw as easy to conquer and a source of great wealth for them.

We only became independent and recognised as such by the Holly See exactly because we were so much better in conquering land and kicking moslem ass than anyone else in this Peninsula.

>>510210222
>>510209966
>I'm Latino
>I'm in my country
Which is it?

I'm in MY ANCESTRAL HOMELAND (always was since 1493 AD).

>>510210349
Christian fatalism and Catholic parochialism fucked us in the end.

It gave us a raison d´etre vis-a-vis Islam.
But after a couple of centuries it dragged us into the dark ages.

>>510208853
>This country began, well the State actually, as an affront to the Papacy. And as our first King was recognised by Spain (actually the Kingdom of León) as an independent ruler but not yet as full blown King, he recognised his cousin, the King of Leon, as Emperor above him.
The pope wasn't going to condone treason, which is what the burgundian dog did. The leonese monarch didn't recognize his claims of independence either, and couldn't afford such a war at a time of ongoing reconquering. The terms were likely of a mere mandate for temprary administration, suzerainity or such. In any case, they are debated as there was no formal treaty. We must observe the facts:
>no extant documents from Zamora remain, nor replicas
>there was a papal envoy present, so the pope was up to date on the events and discussions
>after this meeting took place, the burgundian dog kept writing to the pope asking for recognition of the state
>the pope during this time never addressed him by the title of "King" or anything such
>tonal shift in 1179 with the papal bull, that explicitly states gratitude for the reconquering efforts and confirms Portugal's independence
We must infer a conclusion like so: the pope obviously wouldn't dare to advocate for a kingdom that was founded upon treason to be independent, at least not for a while. So it waited until an adequate opportunity came up, and that was the triumph over the moors on behalf of the portuguese-affiliated forces. Thus the Hispanic kingdoms would be further divided, with the leonese monarch being unable to reclaim what's his out of fear of excommungation.

>>510201357
The gradient for North African admixture is more in the West and less in the East, sure. Perhaps with a detectable Southwest / Northeast gradient.

But that is not necessarily moslem derived. In fact it cannot be as Galiza in the far North and Algarve in the far South have pretty much the same.

If you look at a topographic / agricultural map of the peninsula it's easy to see that any pre historical population that came to the Peninsula from North Africa and moved West prospered, while those that moved East - if they could even do so at all - died.

>>510210598
>the pope obviously wouldn't dare to advocate for a kingdom that was founded upon treason

You have the example of the Pope sanctioning William the Bastard´s conquest of the throne of England.

The Papacy is and was a whore.
You have to pay to play.

Look at the House of Hauteville in Southern Italy.
Literally had to beat the Pope to be recognized. Even after smashing the Emirate of Sicily.

>>510210475
>it's da joos bro trust me
Kys

>>510210566
>it dragged us into the dark ages
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

ANGLOS dragged humanity into the dark ages. How many BILLIONS of innocent humans save suffered and continue to suffer because humanity allows the anglo to live?

>>510210502
>We only became independent and recognised as such by the Holly See exactly because we were so much better in conquering land and kicking moslem ass than anyone else in this Peninsula.
That's the kosher/good portugoy reason. If you open your eyes you'll see it's just an excuse to avoid precisely what the galician nobility wanted, and everyone else in the world feared.

>>510210558
oh you're on of those faggots...

>>510210836
>ANGLOS dragged humanity into the dark ages.

Yes, the men that gave us the industrial age, modern science and medicine.

Not the Catholic doctors that gave us negro-worshiping and kiddiefucking.

>>510210598
I don't know why you would claim D. Afonso Henriques comitted treason against the Emperor of All the Peninsula Alfonso VII, King of León.

I'd agree it was "treason" against his own mother who was the Queen or administrator of the Kingdom of Galiza.
Except it was not treason because he defeated her in open battle.
S. Mamede battle, right? In Guimarães? I am not sure...

>>510209804
you are being a seething nigger over being told not to worship stone rings and animals, your desperation to have an ancient pagan homeland to relate to is astounding, this is probably not even about worship, you just want an identity based around it because you think its cool. You don't give a fuck about your supposed ancestral religion that you barely even know about and should stop pretending to. And lusitanian purebloods is even more of a retarded concept, you would have to deport 90% of your population because they mixed with celts and who knows what else. You will never be a nordic pagan, shit yourself.

>>510210222
lol?

>>510210916
you outed yourself as an anglo bastard, sorry you didn't grew up with a father

>>510211001
>90% of your population because they mixed with celts

Lusitanians were Para-Celts or Celt-adjacent.

Modern Portuguese really dont descend from the Lusitanians.
Thats a romanticist myth.

>>510181166
but it is the jews
its not even a question

>>510179277 (OP)

Interesting

>>510210796
>>510211104

>>510181166
>>510211104
>>510211150
see.. its not even like, a little bit of a mystery. its a certainty. its undeniable historical fact. why would anyone ever think its not jews? they have eyes, right?

>>510211081
what does anglo even mean? british ancestry or just white person with first language as english?

>>510210968
>medicine
Hispanics: from Andean pharmacology to the first world wide vaccination expedition.

>Modern Science
Hispanics: from the Theory of Gravity to the Theory of Evolution.

>Industrial Revolution
Hispanics: from using Los Caminos Reales throughout South America as factories on wheels, to even giving birth to the theory of computers.

>>510211306
Anglo-Saxon Protestant

>>510210765
Yes, the pope is a whore, in any case he would be very poorly represented among the other hispanic kingdoms if he sanctioned the burgundian dog right after his dirty deeds. Let's not forget the burgundian dog tried to pay his way into the Pope's good graces in 1143 in a letter, and he STILL didn't recognize the so desired independence, that's how bad it would have looked, a huge stain on the pope's reputation among leonese et al. Then an excuse came up, and while we don't know if there was money involved in actuality, though there probably was, and the rest is history.

>>510211306
Obviously first (English, not British)

>>510210598
D. Afonso Henriques was proclaimed King in 1129 after he led a moslem beating expedition into the deep South of Portugal and won against 5 moslem rulers / leaders.
That's when the nobility of Northern Portugal declared him King. This is the open rebellion against his mother and the Kingdom / elites of Galiza.
The "capital" of Galiza fell into our hands (Braga, although Santiago de Compostela already had great importance).

The next year was the battle against his mother. It's funny though how it's not clear who invaded whom.
If we already had Braga and supposedly our first King's base was in Guimarães, than it was the army of Galiza that descended upon him (invaded).
They were rooted. Most of the Kingdom of Galiza (or at least the most powerful and populous part) became Portuguese as well as any fucking chance for that Kingdom to expand South. Essencially, D. Afonso Henriques cucked the nobles of Galiza from expanding Southwards, thus ending much of their ability to increase their lands and powers and thus becoming the master of "West Iberia".

The Emperor in León didn't care about it and laughed. He didn't recognised us as a Kingdom and he didn't took great military action against us right out of the bat.

Remember that the mother of Emperor Alfonso VII was D. Urraca de Leão, sister of D. Afonso Henrique's mother D. Teresa de Leão.
It was through these women that both Kings claimed their right to the throne.
And they were both fathered by Burgundian men, although the Emperor fathered by someone of much higher rank who unfortunately proved shitty in his position that's why the father of D. Afonso Henriques took his place in leading Portugal and the Reconquista in the West.
Add to that the attempted coup of the father of Alfonso VII against his grandfather. It was a family clusterfuck...

Anyway, important note:
The Emperor Alfonso VII of León saw D. Teresa de Leão, the mother of D. Afonso Henriques as less than.
(cont.)

>>510211442
Here is the thing though. If the Pope gave sanction to any upstart Catholic noble he would have a spider web of fuckery instantly.

He gave it 15 years for the Leonese to dismantle the Portuguese claim.
Then recognized it.

Most Portuguese kings hated the Papacy ever after.

>>510211104
Jews are NOT trying to kick from Hispanics from their ANCESTRAL HOMELAND (America).

>>510211571
(cont.)

Becuase she was an unironically bastard.
The Emperor considered that HIS OWN mother was the only legitimate heir and she should have had inherited all of the Western Peninsula.
Instead, his grandfather granted Galiza to his bastard of an aunt, D. Teresa, and the cousin of his father, of lower rank and who was supposed to be a vassal of his father until the Emperor grandfather of Alfonso VII came out and said
>You suck, this guy now is in charge.

Alfonso VII, the Emperor of León probably didn't want D. Teresa to suceeed in Galiza and that explains most of his friendship with his cousin who beat his own mother: D. Afonso Henriques.

>>510211424
ok so i'm an etrvscan catholic

>>510210982
>I don't know why you would claim D. Afonso Henriques comitted treason against the Emperor of All the Peninsula Alfonso VII, King of León.
He claimed a title contrary to His Emperorship. He didn't ask to be an administrator, but king, subtracting authority from the ultimate regent. Do you know what Independence entails?

>>510179983

>>510210598
>>tonal shift in 1179 with the papal bull, that explicitly states gratitude for the reconquering efforts and confirms Portugal's independence

Exactly.
Why? Because the Kingdom of Portugal had grown from the Mondego in Coimbra to the Serras of the Algarve.
While in the rest of the Peninsula it was a stalemate.

Remember always that in the 1100s (and before, really since Al Mançor's death in the late X century) the Christian Kingdoms of the North had (all) right of tribute from the Moslem kingdoms of the South.

Meaning that as long as the money kept coming, the Northern Kingdoms were not particularly interested in Reconquista... right now.
With the exception of D. Afonso Henriques, and to some extent his father, D. Henrique de Borgonha.
The Northern Kingdoms only really re-take the Reconquista duty in the very late 1100s and early 1200s AFTER the moslem dinasty from Morocco invades, I think the Almoravids. Islamic State style.

Before there was an undestanding and the money was flowing to the Northern Kingdoms so the Reconquista was on hold.
Only D. Afonso Henriques did not accept that.

And that is why the Holly See recognised him as a King: He payed more service to Christendom than the other ones.

>>510211901
>race gets debunked
>anglo seethes

>>510209423
Hispania encompasses the entire Peninsula since it doesn't refer to an earthly feature

>>510209654
>Iberia etymologically descends from the river Ebro
There is nothing wrong with this sentence apart from maybe quotes.

>>510211687
A Marrano BVLL conquered territories in the Plata region on behalf of Portugal by killing Jesuits, destroying their churches, and enslaving the indigenous people

>>510211894
>He claimed a title contrary to His Emperorship.

No.
He claimed the title of his mother after defeating her in battle.
His mother recieved that "title" from her own father, the grandfather of both D. Afonso Henriques and Alfonso VII, the Emperor of León.

So the title *was* already recognised by an Emperor of León, and one considered in high respect.

Eventually D. Afonso Henriques would be King, completely free from the Emperor of León, sure. But we have to wonder how.
And I will tell you:
Because the very Emepror of León decided that a huge Empire was not the best way.
That's why the Emperor of León, D. Alfonso VII himself, divided his Empire and made one of his sons King of León and the other King of Castille.

And the King of León, the most prestigious one given the Imperial claim / history, was married to one of the daughters of the Portuguese King, D. Afonso Henriques.

So it was not D. Afonso Henriques betraying the Emperor and snatching a part of the Empire from him. But it was the Emperor himself who voluntarily divided his Empire - as it was common at the time:
León to his older son.
Castille to his younger son.
Portugal to that crazy based cousino of his who ended the power of his whorish bastard aunt.

Also you can see in the battle of Badajoz, which was a huge city back then, thus highly relevant, when the Emperor of León teams with the moslems to fuck the expansion of Portugal and captures D. Afonso Henriques.
They treat D. Afonso Henriques as a friend (family really) and a great legendary Statesman. No harm or ill intention there. Although I think this might have been the next "Emperor" which would be son in law of D. Afonso Henriques...

Anyway, all this happens before the Pope recognises Portugal as independent.

You need to study History more. Especially family History (among the nobiility and royal houses) as it was how things moved back in those days.

>>510211089
There is more to life than what is apparent. The Lusitanian spirit courses through my veins and that is the real hidden history of my people. We trace our origins to Atlantean and Lusitanian spirituality, not to some abrahamic jewish myths. The question is not if we should do it but how to do it. This is not a debate.

>>510213504
portugal is pretty much screwed today. that indian dude really destroyed the country

>>510213564
Portugal is a mulatto republic with mudslimes now included in the mix.

And the worst is we lost in 1912.

>>510213564
Yes it's very grim. This is why it's imperative that we get in touch with our real identities so we have a reason to keep going and to survive this bleak era we find ourselves in. People think the way to get in touch with the ancient identities is to look backwards but they are wrong it's by looking forward and letting the wind touch you. We move forward into the chaos and we are guaranteed to find the same path if our heart is in the right place.

NEW THREAD THEME:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuc5mGc3L3c

>inb4 someone asks
YES, I karaoke these types of songs at older women (20+) houses :^3

>>510211571
>>510211799
>>510212135
>>510212918
It's very evident really: The Leonese king saw with his own eyes how intrafamilial interests lead to unrest, and decided it would be best to bequeath his sons kingdoms to each, that doesn't mean he thought the peninsula should be governed necessarily in division, he probably indoctrinated them in such a way that they were to be govern harmoniously, this is backed by the following union between Leon and Castile. The most likely answer is he was trying to avoid needless bloodshed, for then.
He also understood the real pretense of Teresa's son. And naturally, didn't agree with it. Why was the burgundian dog sending letters to the Vatican desperately asking for financial and spiritual vassalage in exchange for temporal independence, so that a christian monarch wouldn't dare touch him, after proclaiming himself king? Naturally, he knew his days were counted, and rightfully so, since he took to the sword to force a move that wasn't up to him to decide. But the Vatican finally gave in, once the kingdom proved fit enough to be a constraint on Leon's left flank, after its exploits south. The justification used was always just pomp, a mere excuse.

>>510213847
>And the worst is we lost in 1912.
estás a falar disto?

>>510214782
Te foder boleiro

>>510214864
8
nunca esqueç4s

>>510193262
We've started as a mix of Burgundy and Galicia
Fuck Madrid

>>510214041
Que música chata

https://youtu.be/ZTJurde0pFE?si=agjjnD4GvD3y8aRZ

>>510212634
sounds based
killing jews and destroying their slave synagogues is A-tier

>>510214604
>>510212918
And let's not confuse things, appreciation for one's personality and deeds isn't tantamount to just handing out a kingdom, if the person in question is as much a respected man as a wildcard, there's no telling what could happen next. Not even going to mention the possible source of conflict that is the whole bastard question. And what kind of assuredness does a man who turns against his own mother add, for personal, political and financial gain? The Leonese wouldn't for sure leave matters as they got to be. It's much more important to have the person within your immediate sphere of influence, regardless of reputation.

>>510215553
im looking for a portuguese song i used to listen to but i cant find it....

>>510212634
How could Portugal forget Raposo Tavares? I wonder.

>>510216310
marranos are jews

>>510217409
There's no definitive proof he was Jewish.