I think it's time to have this discussion.

Its a one or the other thing. Anyone who doesnt understand that is confused.

Unironically, both are better than globohomo liberal "democracy".

OP and his dad v.s. Trump and his son

TO DEATH

ONLY WEARING BOX TRUNKS

NO WEAPONS

EVERY PLAY IS FAIR PLAY

Trump gets a knife if he survives 3 hours and OP explodes violently if he is not killed in the first 30 minutes
All fighters knows this information

>>510196196 (OP)
People only hate fascism and national socialism because of jewish propaganda.

>>510196196 (OP)
They're both basically the same thing

>>510196196 (OP)
No fascist ever called me a goy

>>510197566
Because superiority vs inferiority is inherently Jewish

>>510196196 (OP)
This hate speech towards fascism is very dangerous, I hope we only allow conversations about how based it is

>>510196196 (OP)
How is democracy working out for us? Honestly?

>>510198661

Seems to be doing just fine for me, nigger. I don't have to worry about some marxist gestapo coming to my house and arresting me for free speech. I don't have to contribute anything to society if I don't want to. And I am free to practice Judaism without fear of persecution.

>>510196196 (OP)
I'd rather just wait until I'm so rich that laws don't apply to me.

>>510196196 (OP)
It's ok to hate democracy and Western Liberalism.

>>510196196 (OP)
So where is the discussion?

>>510198882
It's not, and you know it. Everyone knows it. We can't just 'pretend' it's working when it is so obviously not working. Our candidates are pre-selected with blackmail. Nobody wants foreign wars and yet we will always get them. Nobody wants to support foreign governments with trillions in US tax dollars, and yet it will always happen. Both sides are irredeemably corrupt and there is simply no way to vote to fix it. The republic is dead and everyone is just waiting for a Caesar to appear. Don't worry - religious freedom isn't going anywhere. Our multiracial society isn't going anywhere. American values ARE NOT going anywhere. None of that has to die with democracy - not in a country this big.

>>510199253
I've only just arrived and I intend to defend fascism.

>>510196196 (OP)
I would rather live under Czechoslovak communism we had or Böhmen und Mahren protectorat installed by germans than this mod3rn kikery democracy which did more damage than both of previous regimes combined. 1989 democracy was unironically worst thing Czechs experienced since battle of White hill in 1621.

>>510199670
I get the feeling that what OP means by "discussion" is he says he hates something, gives zero reasoning or alternatives and fucks off.

>>510199793
That's every single thread. It's all slide threads and 1pbtid; it's our job as effortposters to coopt the threads and make them meaningful to the lurkers.

>>510198661
Democracy worked so well in Germany it led directly to National Socialism

>>510199940
Sure but if OP doesn't actually do his part and actually take his side in it then it's kind of pointless.

>>510199997
The beginning of any democratic republic is a beautiful thing to behold. They all start with the best of intentions...but by the end it's always the same story; corrupted officials empowering oligarchs and powerful madmen. The fall of a republic followed by the rise of an empire is a natural progression...and ultimately healthy.

So OP, if you are even still here, you want a discussion? Then stop being a faggot and stand for something. We *will* kick the shit out of you intellectually, but it is for your own good.

>>510196196 (OP)
Fascism is inherently better tho

>>510199253
>>510199793
>>510200045
>>510200374
This poster is a transwoman

>>510200045
Why? He's a shill and this is a slide thread. He never intended for an actual discussion to take place. You and I keeping the thread alive with actual discourse is the last thing any of these people wants and is therefore a good thing.

>>510200658
Well then what do you want to discuss?

>>510196196 (OP)
It's time to hate the Hegelian dialectic instead, we wouldn't be in this adversarial state between them to begin with, they'd be thrown in the dumpster for reinforcing political polarization and confusion instead of resolving it.

>>510201084
>reinforcing political polarization and confusion instead of resolving it
How would one resolve it?

>>510200603
You are nigger Harry.

>>510200736
The future, I suppose. I don't think democracy is working out for us. I don't think it's working out across the pond either. Fascism and Monarchy always run the risk of malevolent leaders, but at this point a 50/50 shot at greatness is far better odds than we currently have by voting. I don't think I'm the only person thinking about all of this right now, either.

>>510198661
Good thing we’re not a Democracy. And it can only exist in a moral and virtuous state anyway. Of which National Socialists and liberal democrats are neither. Which is why all our problems stem from the degeneracy and failed policies of the left.

>>510201371
The problem over here is less democracy and more that it doesn't matter what you vote for, once they get in they don't do what they promise to. Is that not just a dictatorship with extra steps? Would just letting such people do what they want without our input really be an improvement?

(will be gone for a little bit but will read any replies when I get back)

>>510201371
Fascism and monarchy’s have never resulted in anything but sudden catastrophic collapse. Democracy on the other hand has. Many times over.

>>510201581
>a moral and virtuous state
Is that what we have? I have personally done things on behalf of this 'moral and virtuous state' that you couldn't possibly imagine. We drop bombs on children and declare it to be acceptable collateral damage. We sacrifice children to pedophiles for blackmail leverage - and then we use that leverage to start more wars to bomb more children...but as long as you can afford netflix and doordash, that's all just fine. People like you don't get to decide history - because if you do, we end up exactly where we are now.

>>510202060
Monarchy has been the default state of government since we were bashing rocks together. You can dislike it but it's outlasted literally anything else, including Democracy.

>>510201183
By scrutinizing all their assumptions and eliminating the contradictions and false beliefs before even considering them, using a more Socratic dialectic pretty much, it would be a much slower process where "i demand an answer now!!!" won't always be possible because it's a more iterative process, but it will be immune to such extreme adversarialism, propaganda, manipulation and the idiocy we see in politics.

The problem is, the populace needs to be properly educated and have a more humble approach to everything, it needs to be somehow un-brainwashed form the current paradigm, and progress will be slower which will surely upset some actors.

>GOYS
>YOU SHOULD HATE THE TWO THINGS THAT ARE A THREAT TO JEWISH CENTRAL BANKING
>DONT DO THOSE THINGS GOY

>>510196196 (OP)
Both are larpers' ideology, meh

>>510196196 (OP)

They're the same thing, dumbass.

>>510201795
It is that, and you are exactly right. This democracy we have is in name only and we have in effect ended up with a billionaire-run oligarchy with puppets for politicians. We don't even know who our dictators really are and yet they decide every course of action and leave their puppets to take the blame for how immoral it all is. If every system of government evolves into this state anyway, then why not just cut the bullshit and let the people choose their own dictator? The will of nations has been buried somewhere and we need to find it.

>>510202213
>it needs to be somehow un-brainwashed form the current paradigm
It all starts in school. That's where you form what shall come next, for better or worse.

>>510202617
Ultimately the problem is globalism I believe. Our leaders do not have their country's interests at heart, they are serving an international order where the plebs and their silly ideas of home are far below them. Numbers on a spreadsheet at best. That again goes back to education. We are taught that nations are a dirty word.

>no source, argument, or context

fify

This is /pol/ op. You don't need the second part.

Fascism happened because some communists realized communism doesn't work, but kept thinking like communists. They're almost the same thing.

>>510198882
>i dont have to worry about being arrested for free speech
They are literally doing that right now lol youre actually retarded, this shit is happening LIVE

>>510196652
Yikes, you might be a retard.

>>510199997
>it led directly to National Socialism
No it didn't moron. Hitler never won an election.

>>510196196 (OP)
Kys kike

>>510204404
No, you stupid shithead. Fascism is just a Monarchy without the crutch of mysticism/divinity. Communism is inherently jewish, therefore pure EVIL.

>>510196638
nah i hate all forms of authority, groups and faith
you're both on my shit list

>>510196196 (OP)
Should say its ok to hate Muslims and Jews at the same time. A lot of posters need to learn this lesson. They're both evil.

>>510204697
>ontology
programmable retard

>>510204560
NSDAP won the most votes in the Nov. 1932 election with an 80% turnout. Good enough for me

>>510204697
>Fascism is just a Monarchy without the crutch of mysticism/divinity.
You're painfully ignorant

>>510196196 (OP)
>communism amd fascism bad
Do you have any other ways of unifying a nation?

>>510204697
Fag. Fascism can be jewish. MAGA is a form of jewish fascism.

I feel like fascism is mostly born when the government fucking sucks arse, then the fascists somehow clean that mess up and immediately start beef with anyone around them which leads to their own destruction. Communism is mostly born by subverting exsisting governments by promising them a better future, then comes the revolution and ultimately the wrong people eventually get power and everyone fucking starves. I wonder if both could succeed in maybe 50 years when AI rules either of them.

>>510204935
Oh am I? Thanks for proving your point, you fuckin idiot. I truly value your opinion

>>510205006
Nothing about Trump is fascist. He's literally following Bukele's playbook. Good job outing yourself as an NPC liberal retard

>>510196196 (OP)
add liberalism to that and I will agree.

>>510205368
>liberal
I am giving you groyper talking point

>>510196196 (OP)
Embrace socialism

>>510196196 (OP)
Communism is good. If you hate it you have never studied it.

>>510206611
It's good, but it's difficult to achieve or maintain. The less egalitarian society is going to be stronger and will destroy your communism (most likely scenario).

>>510196196 (OP)
Communism is female nature corrupted by political power. Fascism is the same with men.

>>510196196 (OP)
Fascism is good though
And no, it's not a catch-all term for authoritarian
It actually means something

>>510196638
that's not true. i'm not trying to larp as a gay boyscout with you, lil bro.