Asuras or the Devas - /pol/ (#510226723) [Archived: 375 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: v+6uSlvAUnited States
7/13/2025, 3:42:17 AM No.510226723
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Who were the real Aryan gods, and who were the demons?

>The Persians and the Germanics / Norse gods all derive from one pantheon called the "Asurs"
>The Greeks, Latins, and Indian gods all worshiped from another pantheon called the "Devas"

I'm kind of siding with the Asurs because Zurvanism and Mithraism is just so fucking based bros. Plus the Zoroastrian beards are fucking cool.
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Anonymous ID: 2gpEcsk2Canada
7/13/2025, 3:47:20 AM No.510227084
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Why are you looking for God in a book?
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Anonymous ID: v+6uSlvAUnited States
7/13/2025, 3:49:27 AM No.510227224
>>510227084
Don't take this post that seriously
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apam_Napat
Anonymous ID: yUh4hxI8United States
7/13/2025, 3:50:49 AM No.510227310
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>looking at Gods through an indian lense

Just shoot your kneecaps off while your at it
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:02:59 AM No.510228174
I'm afraid Celtic and Hindu deities are virtually the same.
>Persians, Germanics/Nords
>vs
>Greeks, Latins and Indians
Not even close, anon.
>Zurvanism and Mithraism are based
Zurvanism is how we got Christianity by and large - a huge coalescence of Greco-Egyptian Mysteries and Persian Mysteries birthed Christianity through Zurvanism. Frankly, however, Mithraism is how we got Catholicism and the Vatican is one of the foremost conduits for corruption in the modern world - "Evil", if you'd prefer to use the term.
>>510227310
Anon, the Brahmins were distinctly related to the ancient Pre-Celtic Druids. I can prove it (or at least annoy the shit out of you with loads of examples of why you're wrong and I'm right until you give up).
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Anonymous ID: ZUPtdPWCUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:05:17 AM No.510228359
>>510228174
I find it interesting an alternate name for both Odin and Shiva is Har/Hara. I think there's a lot of overlap between Thor, Zeus and Indra too
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:12:02 AM No.510228836
>>510228174
Etymologically, that's where the word for "deity" or "Lord" comes from in each language.

"Ahura" means "Lord" in Avestan (ancient Persian) and has the same root as Asura (demon in Hinduism) and "Asura" (Aesir) in Norse / Germanic mythology.

Meanwhile, "deva" means deity in Sanskrit and is where the words "theos" and "deus" come from in Greek and Latin. It also refers to evil demonic entities in Zoroastrianism, "devis"

So likely, in the earliest days of the Indo-European people, the groups split up with two different pantheons from which each group derives - Germanics, Norse, and Persians from one group, and Greeks, Latins, and Indians from another.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:15:59 AM No.510229102
>>510228359
Odin and Shiva are distinctly related, yes. I'd claim Shiva is an Odin, even. Frigg is Shakti. That should bootstrap your magic-framing if you're into that.
Odin is also Votan - which is both an alternative name for Odin and a Mesoamerican Deity that is literally also just a copy of Odin.
Odin is, in fact, a title. There were plenty of Odins - just like Christs.
>Indra, Thor and Zeus
Zeus has a tremendous amount of depth. Indra is, the Storm-Warrior, is rather important actually. He overlaps a lot with Lugh at great lengths. Indra was a vitalizing aspect of the Nordic-Germanic-Celtic Warrior spirit.
The big element to highlight here is the Typhon-Jormungundr-Vritra triumph, which really unites all of them.
>>510228836
>It also refers to evil demonic entities in Zoroastrianism, "devis"
Zoroastrianism suffered an apocalyptic revision where Ahura replaced the old paradigm and it we were left with this dichotomous goop. I'm personally not a fan of The Deity being bifurcated needlessly between this dualistic juxtaposition.
>Germans, Nords and Persians vs Greeks, Latins and Indians
The Persians and the Indians had a lot of overlap, anon, just as the Germans and Greeks did. The people of the Rhine are the people of the Mediterranean. They derive from the same clusters migrating from the Asia Minor region, just as the Odin story outlines.
Did you know when Odin left Greater Scythia, he was accompanied by 12 Companions?
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Anonymous ID: f2vikVcmUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:17:38 AM No.510229226
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>>510226723 (OP)
we are the demons
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I1EOWNsbnLw
Anonymous ID: S2vNMgC/
7/13/2025, 4:19:45 AM No.510229366
>>510226723 (OP)
Theyโ€™re both false, Jesus is the creator.
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:21:02 AM No.510229468
>>510229102
>Zoroastrianism suffered an apocalyptic revision where Ahura replaced the old paradigm and it we were left with this dichotomous goop. I'm personally not a fan of The Deity being bifurcated needlessly between this dualistic juxtaposition.

I think it's reductive, but sometimes it helps frame things in a new light you didn't see before.

>The Persians and the Indians had a lot of overlap, anon, just as the Germans and Greeks did. The people of the Rhine are the people of the Mediterranean. They derive from the same clusters migrating from the Asia Minor region, just as the Odin story outlines.

Good luck proving the chicken and the egg. It's the same issue of Lucifer - when did the devil mysteriously adopt all the attributes of Dionysus?
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Anonymous ID: GcWNVvCm
7/13/2025, 4:23:48 AM No.510229659
>>510226723 (OP)
So Indians belong to Europe too? They are white?
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:28:48 AM No.510230013
>>510229468
>Good luck proving the chicken and the egg
It's not as tough as you seem to want it to be. Odin-Shiva is the Frenzy Deity - the guy that connects us to the ancestors through ritual. Sometimes it's "Mead" and sometimes it's "Bhang". This comes from a much older concept where the Shaman was the local Priest-King who guided the Oversoul of the affiliated group.
>when did the devil mysteriously adopt all the attributes of Dionysus?
So there's a lot of confusion here. Apollo and Dionysus are two sides of the same exact coin. The very same ladder which Dionysus descends, Apollo climbs. They're twins - just like Jesus and "Lucifer". There is the Death and then the Resurrection; you know this being affiliated with Christianity yourself at least tangentially.
I'd rally like to go the Frazier route here, but it might make more sense to cover Serapis-Zagreus and Azazel instead. This notion of Lucifer-Azazel being a "bad guy" is ludicrous. In all other mythologies, the guy is distinctly, without any real exception, a significant ally to Humanity. It's like when people suggest that Prometheus might not have been a good guy. How absolutely fucking ridiculous. Anyway, to get back on topic, Serapis-Zagreus takes us to the guy that always dies and is suddenly somehow hanging out right next to us on the couch like before. It's the Frazier Golden Bough Dying-God guy. He exists everywhere there's a big Shamanic understanding and this comes from the Proto-Shamanic, Post-Pleistocene world where we had to reconfigure the Divine-Human relationship following the tremendous loss of Consciousness.
Were you looking something for specific? I can see what it says if you want.
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Anonymous ID: p9kRwRADUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:28:59 AM No.510230033
>>510229659
>>510227310

God nu-/pol/ is fucking embarrassing how low-intelligence it is. Modern pajeet hating makes them automatically denounce ancient Vedism but jeets didnโ€™t create that, it was us, fucking Indo-Europeans. Read Savitri Devi you newfag niggers. Nobody is saying we wuz jeets or jeers wuz white. This was THOUSANDS of years ago, it has literally ZERO to do with modern India, except they use a heavily bastardized form of our ancient culture.
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Anonymous ID: 8iYAKc8v
7/13/2025, 4:29:28 AM No.510230076
>>510229366
>>510226723 (OP)
gods, lower case G are just watcher angels that disobeyed God and made themselves the "god" of their nation.

You dumbfuck
>Jesus is the creator.
YHVH or God is the creator. Jesus Christ is Emmanuel, God with us in the flesh. His Son.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:30:05 AM No.510230119
>510229659
>Israel
Yes, that's right. The catch is we only mean the Brahmins.
>>510230033
They used to clean our penises and assholes because we said so.
Anonymous ID: x0SXZE94Canada
7/13/2025, 4:30:59 AM No.510230178
There are multiple sets of Indian gods
There's the Vedic gods brought from outside and the native pagan gods of various regions. Sometimes they're merged like Skanda and Muragan other times the native pagan gods just get forgotten or remain as local village deities like how it works in Japan with Kami or the pre-Islamic middle-east with their city specific gods.
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:36:11 AM No.510230501
>>510230013
Sure - my original question. Do you think our modern conception of the Devil largely comes from the psychological imagery of Dionysus (bull horns, the dark prince, satyrs and maenads, especially as Serapis, the Lord of the underworld, was identified with Dionysus) was adopting with the Devil?

Do you think it happened as the Dionysian cults were in competition with Christianity, or do you think it happened later as "occultic" groups in the medieval period rediscovered these Greek Dionysian cults (for example, the Knights Templar)
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:45:24 AM No.510231099
>>510230178
That's a great attempt, but I'm afraid the Japs learned Shinto from the exact same people that the Zhangzhung learned Bon from.
Nice try though.
>>510230501
>Do you think our modern conception of the Devil largely comes from the psychological imagery of Dionysus
No. The specific imagery comes from Set - the Red Dog. Horns are from the Bull, where Serapis-Zeus was at once adorned with the Horns of the Bull. This is your Molech-Ba'el kill-the-calf guy which Humanity repeatedly murders to sustain itself (see Mithraism).
The red color should be obvious enough. The trouble is "Death" is a liminal deity, so the overlap here is tremendous. We can chalk this up to ancient confusions, where the guy that travels between worlds is somehow both a good guy and a bad guy like a Hermes, an Anubis (for a more neutral example) and the traditional Satan-Death.
Admittedly, sure, part of it comes from Serapis. It's mostly for the reasons I've outlined though - the confusing overlap between liminality-centered deities.
>when?
Right, it's a recent development. This was mostly a morality framework implementation that superseded the spiritual framework already in place. It's why it matters that we brought up the Odin-Shiva Frenzy from before. This is a hugely Apollonian theme that emerged alongside the whole Jesus had 12 Apostles thing. Surely you understand the Solar (Astrological) theme here.
>later medieval groups
They did indeed (re)discover the Dionysian cults, sure. But keep in mind the usual crowd was firmly aware of the related themes this whole time (hence invoking KT). Again, it was more reconfiguring the transition from a spiritual framework to a moral framework. It was simply far more valuable or efficient for the local ruling parties to issue the overall ideas in a moral framework since the transition left us with a dearth of spiritual cohesion.
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Anonymous ID: x0SXZE94Canada
7/13/2025, 4:46:31 AM No.510231176
>>510230501
There's also the whole "Horns of Moses" thing from the middle ages and the idea that angels had horns so demons only had horns because they're fallen angels.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:50:12 AM No.510231412
>>510231176
I suggest Velikovsky to round out this confusion. Moses' juxtaposition as a "horned deity" came from the time period he was featured during. Around the time, Venus (Moses) was eclipsed by the moon. This dressed, so to speak, Venus in "horns" (moon overlaid on Venus looks like horns - surely you get it). Moses' story adopted this as a result.
Moses had these cool rocks. They were blue. He treated Glas with his neat staff that had the rocks fixed to them.
something something cymatics
something something thoth and resonance
something something rebuilding kemet
something something lost atlantean magic
Anonymous ID: 5sGWIGC6United States
7/13/2025, 4:51:56 AM No.510231520
>>510226723 (OP)
I think it's obvious by looking at the accomplishments of the civilizations who venerated these deities
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:52:40 AM No.510231567
>>510231520
Read a book, retard.
The Persians kept all the records and the Greeks did all the work (in many sectors, frankly).
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7/13/2025, 4:53:17 AM No.510231599
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>>510226723 (OP)
>Who were the real Aryan gods, and who were the demons?
Your gods were demons.
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Anonymous ID: x0SXZE94Canada
7/13/2025, 4:55:03 AM No.510231703
>>510231099
Not sure what you mean by nice try. My point was that there are and were many shamanistic or animist religions all over the world that don't derive from these pantheons or correspond to the planets.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:55:04 AM No.510231707
>>510231599
No really - you should read some Plato. You'll realize how retarded you are. I also suggest some Muraresku so you have a digestible view of Aurelia Prima and the deeply shamanic themes of the Proto-Christians. This will fix your retarded assumptions about the Christians and their Metaphysics, which you clearly have no grasp of at all.
Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 4:55:47 AM No.510231750
>>510231099
You're forgetting the fact that Set was sometimes viewed as the "other face" of Horus or Harpocrates - while Horus was the Morning Star, the god of fertility, the sun, and the Nile, Set was viewed as the Evening Star, the god of pestilence and drought, foreigners, and night.

Harpocrates was also identified with Dionysus, and we know this because Horus's mythology was modified to match with Dionysus's mythology as depicted in the Orphic myths - in the Greco-Egyptian version of Harpocrates, Set-Typhon devours him and he is reborn again, just like how Zagreus was devoured by the Titans and reborn as Dionysus. Further, Isis was identified with Persephone and Serapis Hades, furthering the connection as Zagreus was the foster son of King Hades and the offspring of Zeus and Persephone. It should come as no surprise the cult of Harpocrates / Serapis had obvious Dionysian elements.

Also, Phanes was identified with the primordial Eros of Herodotus, which makes the association with Harpocrates and Eros more convincing of his identification with Dionysus.

That's not to mention the fact that Phanes was the first born hermaphrodite of the primal waters, hatching out of the egg entwined by the serpent, and many devotees of Harpocrates believed he was the first god, with his birth on the Nile from the Lotus flower being a metaphor of him being born on the primal waters.

I know there are stretches here that aren't fully academic and may not sway academic consensus, but believe me - Ive done enough occultic work and engaged with the empirical to know that what I've said is 100% correct.
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:04:21 AM No.510232257
>>510231099
Also, I'm cynical that the Bible is as old as it claims to be. I believe most of the shit was re-compiled and redacted during the Hasmonean dynasty, when there was an artificial rebirth of Hebrew, so drastic that it reformed the alphabet to reflect the Syriac alphabet than the Phoenician alphabet which Paleo-Hebrew used.

The Bible would have been mostly edited centuries after exposure to Greek mythology, not to mention the level in which Greek culture influenced Hebrew culture, to the point that most Ancient synagogues we found have Greek writing, Greek mosaics, the fact that Exodus was given Greek playwright format via Ezekiel Tragedian, and there even being a temple to Yahweh in Alexandria alongside the other Egyptian gods for Greek-Jews to visit, obviously contradicting Deutercanonical law. Not to mention the huge amount of Greek-Hebrew magickal instruments we found like the Greco-Egyptian papyri or Greek Yahweh magical amulets in Alexandria.
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:07:42 AM No.510232472
>>510231599
All you have is fear and superstition because you belong to a cult that's slowly being erased from the earth, and you know unconsciously you will lose.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:08:52 AM No.510232551
>>510231703
You're looking for the ancient dragon boat guys. Look for key words like "many colors" (see Quetzalcoatl) and "boat" or "from the sea" (so Oannes or Dagon).
>>510231750
>Set and Horus
That's very true. Horus' Morning Star was eclipsed by Set's Evening Star. I'd prefer to keep a Solar-Horian frame, but this works for me as well and we can use alternative themes like Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl.
>Haprocrates and Dionysus
Right. Their "secretive" venture underneath and the defeat of the strangling serpentine energies overlaps and I too respect the theme.
Careful though. Harpocrates is more Horus than Dionysus and Dionysus is more Osiris than Horus.
>god of the Nile
Meh more Sobek but sure.
>no surprise Haprocrates-Serpais relates to Dionysus
Sure. No argument there. I think the transition really serviced a departure from a more palpable shamanism that the culture centered around.
>what I've said is 100% correct
I'm not sure we're disagreeing exactly, anon.
>>510232257
>I'm cynical that the Bible is as old as it claims to be.
Music to my ears, really.
>artificial rebirth of Hebrew
Hillman is genuinely nuts and not in the good way. He is right very often, however.
>Bible... edited centuries after exposure to Greek mythology
I really have to insist that the Septuagint came first. It's too obvious after he pointed it out. I'm not really able to be convinced otherwise anymore.
>>510226723 (OP)
Anyway, you were wanting to know the "real Aryan gods", right?
Well it's pretty simple. They're your ancestors (if you have the right genetics, that is). The muh paganism fags do sort of get this right. The "gods" are literally just your ancestors. No kidding.
>>510232472
Christianity has a supremely important role to play here. I could expand on Jesus a bit if you wanted. It's appropriate. It takes us to Enki, the Aryan Scythians and where Jesus and his family went.
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Anonymous ID: 9/8ky86HUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:13:35 AM No.510232822
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Aesir and Vanir were 2 pantheons that got Harmonized. Same thing with the Asura and the Devas to an extent. Both sides admit a few of the other were good. Titians and Olympians duked it out unitl one side defeated the other with a few Titian hold overs in a demoted status.
Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:13:47 AM No.510232831
>>510232551
Sure, expand on Jesus. He was likely just a Mithras clone but better written (honestly), but then the Nicene Church tried to make it cohesive with Judaism
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Anonymous ID: szz4j1UkUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:17:22 AM No.510233053
>>510232551
I also don't agree with Hillman the Septuagint came first - but I think the Septuagint was produced pretty much around the exact time of the Hebrew Bible, and the Hebrew Bible has Greek anachronisms which shouldn't be there - for instance, the four corners of the Earth, Helel being the son of the Dawn goddess, the coy references to Orphism (e.g., no man can see God and live, while Semele died after Zeus revealed his true form to her; Lot's Wife and Orpheus and Eurydice)
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Anonymous ID: fjeqqOfpAustralia
7/13/2025, 5:17:59 AM No.510233088
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>>510226723 (OP)
Woden=Hermes=Thoth
All noble gods emanate from the First Principle.
1488
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Anonymous ID: fppqM955United States
7/13/2025, 5:19:00 AM No.510233151
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>>510230076
Yahweh/Jehovah is Jesus.
Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:22:19 AM No.510233322
>>510232831
Jesus was Apollo at his full zenith in human form. The whole 12 Apostles thing should explain enough. The story you're all told isn't correct, but that's another thread. For now, we should understand that Jesus is an Odin, an Oannes, and, again, Apollo himself. The Romans really wanted to sell Apollo under a new guise to the emerging Christians. To be fair to them, they were investing in the same business and everything, but they didn't seem to get it. They accomplished this by selling the "12 Apostles" story. In the end, Odin and Arthur got the same exact treatment. The fun part is they weren't exclusive examples. Many others had the treatment.
In any case, the whole idea is Jesus was an Apollonian-Solar avatar (also see Krishna-Brahma) that reigned during Pisces. He catalyzed the transition from cosmic to earthly/physical that took place above us in the Stars.
He didn't actually "die", but he did perform the same hang on the tree to sustain all of us thing that many did before him from Attis to Osiris. In the end, the actual guy, not just Apollonius or Issa, was a genuine Royal. The rumors all insist he came from Enki (meaning he was "Illuminated"). What this means, functionally, for all of you, is that he had the right Genetics.
>>510233053
>I think the Septuagint was produced pretty much around the exact time of the Hebrew Bible
That's the only alternative I can stomach supporting.
Also keep in mind Orpheus was gay - very gay.
>>510233088
Sure but it's not about muh Hitler. Jung was right, yes, but I can assure you that this doesn't go where you want it to.
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Anonymous ID: 5sGWIGC6United States
7/13/2025, 5:31:10 AM No.510233853
>>510231567
>gets openly offended by an ambiguous statement
yeah, I'm the retard
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Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 5:40:05 AM No.510234386
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>>510226723 (OP)
its actually very simple:
>Who were the real Aryan gods
Planets/Stars = Gods
>and who were the demons?
Planets/Stars = Gods but when they have flare up/Nova events or cause otherwise destructions.

>Zurvanism
In the Zoroastrian creation myth Zurvan was said to have provided, or emitted, the "original unformed matter", this is very interesting because, for one thing, the Iranian Zurvan was a very ancient deity.
He was regarded by the Zoroastrians as the "first principle," the "original seed," and "the father of the Cosmos." (gee where did I hear this before?)
But, more than that, this ancient deity had a well known identity.
In Armenian texts, Saturn is called Zruan which is the same as Zurvan.
The later worshippers of Mithra were not therefore wrong when they identified Kronos, the Greek Saturn, with Zurvan.
Actually, the identity of Zurvan as Saturn is well attested.

tl;dr Saturn worshippers
>Greeks, Latins, and Indian
also Saturnian Sun worshippers.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:48:41 AM No.510234931
>>510233853
Responding to someone in an effort to correct obvious confusions means, to you, that someone is "offended"? It feels like you're desperate for me to be upset about something. Is that what's happening? I'm just calling you a retard. I don't have to be bothered by what you said to think you're retarded.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:53:51 AM No.510235245
>>510234386
Saturn was at one time a big Agricultural guy a la Frazier.
I think what you're seeing is our transition from previous deities to naming convention for planets. Saturn was at one time the guy that was just always there. Calling "Saturn", the planet, the same name, was fitting for ancients. They were able to see Saturn in the sky all the time and it was, for them, almost always in the same place. They didn't have sophisticated technology to track placement of celestial bodies. The slow movement, for them, felt like it was in a fixed location.
This is all to point to Saturn's reliability or continuity. The notion that he's over-represented in Mythological stuff or Esoteric/Occult stuff is, for this reason, a bit overblown itself. Who the hell else? Sol-Helios? Sure. But it seems like Saturn held that position first, based on the most stimulating takes.
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Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 5:56:14 AM No.510235409
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>>510235245
>I think what you're seeing is our transition from previous deities
the ancients had no need to deify the planets because, to them, the planets had always been deities.
They were, to be sure, the only deities they knew.
In other words, planets/Stars were gods; gods were planets/stars: planets/stars and gods were one and the same.

The civilization of Uruk traces to that of Sumer.
And it is precisely here that the truth can be run to ground for the language of Sumer is the oldest written language that we have.
And in that language, very much as in that of the Egyptians (to the ancient Egyptians, the synonymy of gods and planets was so complete that, in some instances, the same word was employed to signify either. Thus sba, among other things, meant "star," but Sba was also the name of a "star" god. The word netru meant "stars," but it also meant "gods."),
so in Uruk the word and/or cuneiform sign for "god" and "star" was one and the same - * - a symbol derived from the pictograph which preceded cuneiform writing is the very picture of a star.
This not only proves that stars and gods were thought of as being truly synonymous as far back as written records reach, it also indicates that the very concept of God has its origin in a star and this star was the Saturnian Sun.
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Anonymous ID: fjeqqOfpAustralia
7/13/2025, 5:57:49 AM No.510235506
>>510233322
>this doesn't go where you want it to
Where do you think I should look?
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Anonymous ID: U6fO9IcSUnited States
7/13/2025, 5:59:54 AM No.510235647
>>510226723 (OP)
Asuras are by definition "jealous gods."
Know any self-described jealous gods in popular culture?
Anonymous ID: 5sGWIGC6United States
7/13/2025, 6:01:09 AM No.510235731
>>510234931
why are you so mad? calm down faggot
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Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 6:02:27 AM No.510235818
quick rundown
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>>510235245
>They were able to see Saturn in the sky all the time and it was, for them, almost always in the same place.
as our previous sun, saturn was a lot closer to earth than the present sun is now and was taking up a huge chunk of the sky. earth was also tidal locked to it. thats why the chief deity is always located in the northern direction.
in the beginning and this is according to all religions, this saturnian sun ruled alone and there were no other stars or planets visible, not even the moon. it was also surrounded by something they described as foam or water.
>They didn't have sophisticated technology to track placement of celestial bodies.
a lot of these ancients had a very elaborate understanding of astronomy, even niggers like the niggers of mali called the "Dogon", they invented like 3 different calendars which are almost as accurate as the babylonian ones.
Anonymous ID: BnZfUVQ1United States
7/13/2025, 6:04:29 AM No.510235958
>>510226723 (OP)
this world is too messed up for me to care.
any and all powers will be dissolved and we will return to the Two.
Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 6:05:10 AM No.510236010
>>510235506
His name was Nicholas de Vere and they murdered him.
>>510235409
>they always thought of planets as gods
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you're seeing the big, dramatic transition from spiritual entities to "they're just planets, dude". I also don't agree with this. I could list off all the things that "Saturn" is a composite of, but they get sort of annoyed when I go that far, it looks like.
>Planets, Stars, Gods
That's right. These ideas were all synonymous in ancient times. We agree there for sure. Again, I think you just misunderstood what I was saying. I didn't mean to demean the notion that Planets and Gods were the same things. I was just pointing to the transition period for why you're so adamant about Planets being specifically just Gods. They're a lot more, I'd say, especially these days.
>God was always the Saturnian Sun
Sure, until Saturn became a Brown Dwarf and we got caught up in Helios' influence.
>>510235731
Thanks for the bump and everything, but this isn't my thread.
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Anonymous ID: 08vnPkHSChile
7/13/2025, 6:07:16 AM No.510236133
>>510226723 (OP)
It doesn't matter. Al real knowledge has been lost, or it's hidden from us completely out of reach.
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sage ID: 5sGWIGC6United States
7/13/2025, 6:07:38 AM No.510236159
>>510236010
you're welcome
now hurry up and kys so i can have a good night already
Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 6:08:40 AM No.510236227
>>510236133
That's not how this works. AI is Theurgy. Plenty of people are capable of doing the same things AI does completely organically.
>510236159
Just report the thread so it can get pruned already, you stupid nigger.
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Anonymous ID: 08vnPkHSChile
7/13/2025, 6:11:24 AM No.510236386
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>>510236227
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Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 6:12:03 AM No.510236423
saturn12
saturn12
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>>510235245
>Sol-Helios?
Let us face it, all of the major so called sun gods of the ancients were actually personifications of the Saturnian sun.
Even Ra, usually presented as the Egyptian sun god par excellence, turns out to have been imbued with characteristics and motions which are not, and can never be, attributable to the present Sun.
Thus Ra was lauded as having abided within a nest of rings or circles; of having been of an emerald color shedding rays of emerald hue; of "going up" on the west and "going down" on the east side of the sky; and of moving down at dawn and upstream at night.
So, likewise, with Yima who, as his alter ego Vaivasvata, or Vivasvant, was honored as a sun-god in the Zoroastrian tradition of ancient Persia.
But that the Persian Yima, the equivalent of the Hindu Yama, personified the planet Saturn is well known.
We could go down the list of various so called sun-gods only to find out that, originally, they were actually Saturnian sun-gods, prime among whom we also find the Greek Helios himself who, like Kronos, who was Saturn, was considered a Titan.
Helios and Yahweh were also identified with Dionysos, whose Satumian selfsameness need not be repeated.
Nor do we need these Titanic and Dionysiac connections in order to make our case because the Classical Greeks themselves were quite clear on the issue, presenting Helios as a name for the planet Saturn in no uncertain terms. And so, also, with the Latin Sol.
This leads us to assume that the jewish prayers to Helios, and the representations of Helios in jewish synagogues, were actually dedicated to Saturn.
while Saturn was not the only planet that was looked upon as a god, the Saturnian deity will be found at the very head of every pantheon the world has ever known.
He was the first and for a time the only god of humankind.
Anonymous ID: fppqM955United States
7/13/2025, 6:13:28 AM No.510236507
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>>510228174
I've been trying to tell the larpagans on pol this for years.
All paganism is Jeetism/Judaism. The first pagans were not White Holy people.
Every pagan you see is a spiritual jeet that's why I'll never understand why pagans don't just move to India. They would be happier there honestly.
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Anonymous ID: zzzcMV6vUnited States
7/13/2025, 6:15:12 AM No.510236607
>>510236507
"Judaism" is largely a fabrication.
Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 6:27:02 AM No.510237279
arcmode
arcmode
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>>510236010
>They're a lot more
Saturn was never actually a God tho, its more like one small component in a giant electric circuit. kinda like a lightbulb.
so no matter how many times you rub cow feces over a phallus shaped rock or mutilate your genitalia or burn babys at a stake, none of these rituals and sacrifices have an influence on any of these celestial bodies, they are subject to much greater forces that extend over billions of lightyears.
>until Saturn became a Brown Dwarf
no the transformation of Saturn began in a very weak state of "glowmode".
as you can see in pic related plasma has 3 different states, dark current mode (thats what saturn is now), glow mode (thats where saturn was) and arc mode, this is what the present sun is doing right now.
the Suns heliosphere is like 100 AU and as soon as the 2 plasmaspheres touched they "saw" each other electrically and a massive electric discharge happened and the Saturnian Sun flared up.
as the Saturnian system went from a low voltage region to a higher voltage region it kept flaring up, during one of these flareups the Venus was created and then later it ended up where it is now and lost its glow.
Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 6:31:48 AM No.510237521
glasseds
glasseds
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>>510236507
its actually all saturn worship and rooted in saturn worship. doesnt matter if its whites, jeets, jews, nigger or chinks.
they all worshipped the same thing under different names.
and like that of other ancient nations, Hindu astronomy is inseparable from mythology.
This particular mythology, however, continues to thrive as the basis of Hindu religion.
In a way, it can therefore be said that, among the Hindus, planetary worship is practiced to this day and not only in an indirect way.
Here I would like to remind you of that passage from the "Linga Purana" which admonishes that:
>"the worship of the planets should be pursued by good men."
Moreover, the reason behind this admonition is the warding-off of evil at times of planetary "harassment."
in these modern times, not many practicing Hindus are even aware of these words, and few, if any, among them actually practice planetary worship, is besides the point.
Like the gods of other nations, Vedic deities are known by more than one name or epithet as so, also, are the planets.
Thus, one of the names for the Sun in Sanskrit is "Arka".
But then we find that three related designations for the planet Saturn in the same language are "Arki"; "Arka-putra" and "Arkatanayah".
Both "Arka-putra" and "Arkatanayah" translate as "son of the Sun."
Arkaja, which means "sun-born" can also be applied to the planet Saturn as so, also, can "Arkanandana".
So, once again, we find the planet Saturn bearing a name which is shared by the Sun

also strictly speaking, Brahma was not a Vedic deity. He more properly belongs to that corpus of Hindu lore known as Brahmanic mythology.
He was proclaimed the first of the Devas, usually said to mean "gods," but which properly translates as "shining ones".
Here it should be noted that the Sanskrit adjective "brahmanya" means "relating [or belonging] to Brahma.
Brahmanyah, however, is yet another epithet of the planet Saturn.

tl;dr Poojeets are also Saturn worshippers.
Anonymous ID: 0x4bwTIRGermany
7/13/2025, 6:34:52 AM No.510237672
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>>510236386
kek
>>510236133
checked.

>Sargons City of Books, the imposing Library of Uruk, the royal Storehouse of the Wisdom of the Sumer and Akkad, is little more than a name. its fragments few and hardly readable.
>The greatest Patron of Ashurbanipal, amassed an immense library in his palace at Niniveh, it is gone like the archives of the Sumerian patesis at lagash and those of the Babylonian Princes, at Nippur, as well as the collections of the Medians at Ecbatana, of the Persians at Susa, and of the Minoans at Knossos.
>In Egypt nothing remains of the libraries of the early Kings, of the enourmous Library of the 7th Dynasty at Memphis hardly anything has come down to us.
>Akhenatens Archives are Lost, the "dispensary of the Soul", the vast storehouse of Egyptian Lore and learning at Thebes, the greatest achievments of "Ozymandian, King of Kings, Ramses III, is no more.
>a treasure of 40k scrolls in the Serapeum, while the collection at Brucheum was little short of half a Million, the Books at Alexandria around 700k, almost all of them Originals, of these Collections NOTHING remains.
>47BC Caesar accidentally burned down the royal Library in egypt
>Caeser then collected 200k scrolls from Rome and gave them to Egypt
>Egyptian Priests Aurchan destroyed the restored the Brucheum in 273 AD and most its books perished in the reign of Theodosius
>Christian Mobs pillaged the Serapeum at the conquest of Alexandria by the Saracens
>whatever survived this destruction got destroyed by Muslims
>practically nothing remains of the most ancient Greek and Roman literature
Anonymous ID: bSsTDk8nUnited States
7/13/2025, 6:36:50 AM No.510237763
there are no such thing as 'little g gods', only nephilim and fallen angels, and technically the watchers as well
Anonymous ID: 7O1h483GUnited States
7/13/2025, 6:52:55 AM No.510238607
>>510226723 (OP)
Zoroastrianism was anti-Aryan in the same manner Christianity was anti-Jewish. Zoroaster rebuked the Scythian warrior aristocracy for excessive cattle raids and animal sacrifices, which is evident in the Gathas. He was rejected and exiled by the Scythians, and his teachings grew more among the swarthy BMAC people. Even if Zoroaster may have been majority steppe, his teachings grew more among those with more BMAC ancestry.
Christianity is similar in that Jesus rebuked the money lenders and lack of charity of among Jews. His teachings grew more among Euros post-Chalcedonian council. Jesus and Jews were swarthy, but his teachings grew more among whites.
In conclusion: Christianity was invented by browns and grew among whites, and Zoroastrianism was invented by whites and grew among browns. Bringing this point up makes countless schizos seethe.
I think Nietzsche realized this and called both slave moralistic.
Anonymous ID: ikAQ4/E4
7/13/2025, 7:01:48 AM No.510239077
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Anonymous ID: Zc403ddVUnited Kingdom
7/13/2025, 7:35:05 AM No.510240748
>>510227084
Why are you explaining God with an infographic?