Thread 510265934

Literally all of the planned fabs are being cancelled.

>>510265934 (OP)
why is incel faltering?

just a fell for it again award
>we gonna bring back manufacturing!
>actually never mind
KWAB

>>510266506
They stand with Israel and got cursed.

>>510265934 (OP)
The future wars will be fought with sticks and stones.

Humans dont need fancy micro electronics.

>>510265934 (OP)
Israel says "no"
Intel and NVIDIA are "American" companies but are clearly actually Israeli. It's easy to look into. This is why war with chinah is such a priority to drag America into right now. Israel wants to control chip production (because control freak spastic jews) and want Americans killed over it. Chips being made in America wouldn't allow them to get White men killed in a pointless war and that upsets them. Actual chip production in America also upsets jews because then they -might- have to play nice at some point in the future to keep getting them. They won't take that chance.

>>510268025
MAGA hates chip making shrug. Plus Biden gaslighting like always.

>>510265934 (OP)
dysgenics

>>510266506
Their chips are 100% backdoored from the start.
Hence people stopped buying.

>>510265934 (OP)
Oregon is a commie shithole. It is California 2.0

>>510265934 (OP)
You can manufacture toasters and tshirts instead, great job by Donald, this is a win!

>>510265934 (OP)
Not enough canadians

>>510266506
Incel Inside

>>510265934 (OP)
Because we can just buy them from East Asian companies who don't hire loads of shitjeets to ruin them worse than Boeing.

>>510265934 (OP)
Because the jews wont make as much money off it..
You need to die fighting China for them.

>>510266506
Not enough Indians.

>>510268652
This. The entire empire is collapsing because the USA cant stop spying on people and doing evil shit.

>>510265934 (OP)
We can't do shit because our demographics have collapsed. No young white workers capable of doing complex technical work. The importation of poos is the desperate attempt to find a solution to this but it is of course doomed to failure.

>>510268652
>>510266506

They just fucked up so badly on one of their chip generations that they lost all trust. Also got left behind in the AI war.

Who cares about Intel? Or Samsung?

The only chipmaker we need is still churning them out.

>>510265934 (OP)
LMAO Intelaviv keeps loosing.

>>510265934 (OP)
One of my buddies works at the location right outside of Portland and he was safe from the layoffs. He said they were just cutting dead weight they could afford to get rid of.

Intel will learn. This is the end result when your entire fabrication plant is filled with people who say "SAR, PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND REVERT BACK ON TO ME IN THE EVENT OF ANY QUERIES."

>>510265934 (OP)
>0 schizo posts about some undupable alien technology
disappointing thread desu

>>510265934 (OP)

Intel is like the biggest kike DEI corporation in the U.S. Their failures we predicted over 5 years ago because of this.

>>510265934 (OP)
This is all akaik: 18A, intel's next node that is better in some ways (performance) worse in some ways (density) than tsmc's coming 2nm is in good shape and will be used in Pather Lake - to be announced in Q4.

Intel needs external customers for its semiconductor processes. Building fabs and figuring out the 1000+ steps a wafer goes though to be turned into chips is a hugely expensive task that needs to be amortized over higher volume.

But the way intel designs chips is different than everybody else. For external users to use their fabs Intel needs to develop PDKs (Process Development Kits) that integrate with industry standard CAD tools. Those PDKs from intel are not nearly as good as TSMC's - so even if the transistors are great - external customers can't build with them easily.

Intel's new CEO comes from Cadence a CAD tool vendor, where he was a CEO for some time. He may also be a better salesman for intel's process than Pat - the last CEO.

Intel is teaming with UMC, a smaller Taiwanese foundry to design PDK's for external customers that use its older equipment (iirc intel 12 and intel 16) which will hopefully help them learn how to be a foundry for other customers.

Intel has some external interest for its 18a, but not enough. It has to demonstrate with its next generation of chip that it has caught up with TSMC in technology (or surpassed it), AND for its next process (14A) it needs to have PDKs ready to be used by others.

The good news is that intel has seemingly caught up with TSMC in process technology. The accelerated path from Intel 7, intel 4/3, intel 20A/18A worked. It just has to work out economically.

Then the other side of intel is Intel Products, and it is a bit of a mess too - sapphire rapids taking ~12 steppings to get "all" the bugs out (for example). Intel has serious management issues too. All of this is being worked on.

>>510265934 (OP)
>Trump greenlights infinity jeets
>layoff 6,400 Americans
Really makes me go hmmmm.

>>510270286
>Also got left behind in the AI war.

yeah. They might not even develop something to compete with NVIDIA on training. But intel's GPUs aren't a joke. They have been a red-headed stepchild to intel, but the tech is great (I use them for GPU compute). Their software is reasonably solid, but too difficult to deploy as it is changing quickly. Their tech is based around 'dpc++' or data parallel c++, on top of which they build their oneapi. You as a programmer can write code in mostly normal c++, and that code can be compiled and run on a mix of cpu/gpu/fpga. Basically 99%+ of the code is the same and can even be compiled by gcc to run normally on any cpu. You just need a few small modifications to let dpc++ do its thing.

To me this seems to be a total management failure. They have the technology, they just can't pull their head far enough out of their asses to bother to make products around it and sell it.

Their new workstation targeted GPU's B50 and B60 are creeping into the market now. I'll probably buy a dual B60 to test.

Intel seems to think it can compete in 'edge' AI, which is AI products and software that you and I or companies would run out on their premises, not massive datacenter deployments that NVIDIA is targeting and killing it with.

>>510265934 (OP)
Musk already told you. You are either too lazy or too stupid to do anything.

>>510265934 (OP)
What about the (((Haifa))) workers?
You know what, I can guess.

Am I the only person who doesn't need a faster chip?
I built a computer in 2009 and still use it. It's an i7 920. I was forced to upgrade my GPU in 2013 or so when my card crapped out.
But other than a handful of overheating issues that would probably be solved by reseating my heatsink, it's been perfect for 16 years. SIXTEEN.
It's not like I'm broke either. I just haven't needed more. Gaming is gay since 2008.

>>510271747
>Musk already told you. You are either too lazy or too stupid to do anything.

>kikes buy intel
>it becomes a shadow of its former self and get BTFO by fucking AMD
Never let kikes administer things.

>>510270308
different kind of processors my man

>>510266506
AMD is eating their lunch and is more trustworthy even for privacy, security, and quality even when all of what I just said is bullshit.

>>510272231
But hey, you can hire 3-4 Jeets with fake degrees that can't do jack shit for the price of one "actually competent" engineers like with Boeing which worked wonderfully!

(Also to be fair, AMD is technically run by Jensen Huang's cousin Lisa Su now which... actually greatly improved them.)

Those US factories were never meant to succeed. When China takes Taiwan, they want to control nearly all silicon production. Putting chip makers in random states was not meant to make silicon valley 2.0. It was meant to look like somebody was doing something while not actually challenging China's plans.
Ask a US politician to call Taiwan an independent country. Very few will. Most of our politicians have been purchased and are financially compensated for the "one China" policy they follow. End goal? Controlling silicon controls the society that uses computers.

>>510265934 (OP)
>The CHIPS and Science Act is a U.S. federal statute enacted by the 117th United States Congress and signed into law by President Joe Biden on August 9, 2022. The act authorizes roughly $280 billion in new funding to boost domestic research and manufacturing of semiconductors in the United States, for which it appropriates $52.7 billion. The act includes $39 billion in subsidies for chip manufacturing on U.S. soil along with 25% investment tax credits for costs of manufacturing equipment, and $13 billion for semiconductor research and workforce training, with the dual aim of strengthening American supply chain resilience and countering China
Thanks for the money lol
t. intel

>>510272106
You just haven't 'gotten'/understood/or seen the changes that have occurred yet. GP-GPU (general purpose gpu) compute unleashed a staggering level of computation that can be used by 'embarrassingly parallel' algorithms. This LLM/AI stuff/bubble was one application that just 'clicked' with the tech. But this compute works with everything - you just have to code for it - and the algorithms have to be the right model.

Gaming itself was the initial use of GPUs - but the same performance delta from early 90's 3d accelerators to say a modern 5090 is there waiting to be exploited by basically everything It isn't magic. It doesn't make NP hard problems possible, but many orders of magnitude of more compute make some things significantly more practical.

in america you are forced to hire browns women and old union boomers because if you worked in one factory you worked in them all

>>510272106
my friends buy new games and new hardware and complain about all of it instead of just playing old shit we all like anyway. its not like we have the time to be good, its just a phone call with old friends anyway. but they must consoom and it sucks

>>510265934 (OP)
kek whitu piggu too lazy and fatfinger

>>510266506
Because they got dunked on by Ryzen and rather than fast track their cutting edge stuff slated to be released years in the future to better compete, they just kept releasing the same miniscule single digit performance uplift products every year or two business as usual and repeatedly getting dunked on every time... Such that their CPUs now perform the same (in a lot of professional work) or worse (in gaming) while using far more power.

Then sprinkle on some hardware defects like their last gen CPUs frying at stock voltages, it just hasn't been good.

And they have spent tens of billions of dollars on their new 'High NA' EUV fabs, but its been years and they still haven't released anything made with them, even their own products.

>>510273860
Adding in all those backdoors for Israel did them in.

>>510273860
>'High NA' EUV fabs
You aren't wrong, but there is a catch. Intel has (I think) 2 of these machines for research. But apparently the problem with EUV is the resist. That is the chemical put over the wafer that hardens upon exposure that you can then use to protect the things that you don't want to remove in etching.

So high-NA can make tighter patterns of 'light', but the etching limits due to resist make it not that much better. There is apparently massive work ongoing to fix this problem. TSMC may skip high NA for its next generation (after 2nm), and use (more) multipatterning with normal EUV. Intel may not use high-NA EUV in its 14A either. Its all up in the air depending on research.

>>510272812
>a modern 5090 is there waiting to be exploited by basically everything
Could someone explain to a tard like me what this means.
>doesn't make NP hard problems possible, but many orders of magnitude of more compute make some things significantly more practical.
Like what things?

>>510273860
It really doesnt matter which company is more successful than others.
This is all about Taiwan and having the most capable AI vessels and not stopping the flow of new chips. The DUV and EUV machines alone are a whole complicated process of their own fabs and moving parts around where technologists and technicians can actually put them together.
The way that CCP has flexed is that they can take Taiwan whenever they want and they've even set pranks on Divided States of America utilities like AT&T to cause outages (check is00n leaks)

The old systems have collapsed and are barely hanging on.
>It *is* dire for the nation

>>510265934 (OP)
Employment in manufacturing is tied to production.
It is cost effective to run full production of a product, warehouse, and shut down, than it is to run at 50 percent build rate.

This is one reason manufacturing went overseas to begin with.

It is tireing having to worry about layoff and job loss over an entire lifetime.
T. Old fag former wagie

>>510265934 (OP)
Be intel
>go dei
>loose profits, fall behind competitors
>fire dei hires - unless ceo /hr are indian then they will keep indians on the payroll and lose more of the company
>leftists wonder why?
Too funny

>>510265934 (OP)
Intel is an awful company and deserves to die. nVidia as well.

>>510274524
>Like what things?
If you are not a programmer, it might be hard to explain, but lets say you are pounding out some some code to analyze or compute something. You get the code working and start to give it a bigger dataset; but then you realize it might take 1000 days to execute on one cpu with the full dataset. But by coding a little differently, and using modern hardware, that might take 1 day.

For processing real-time data it might make the difference between processing a single sample in 1 sec vs 1 Hr. Basically this much delta in performance can make doing things possible that were impossible, or impractical, before.

I can't be more specific.

>>510274524
It means graphics cards nowadays are basically motherboards with processing units optimized for visual user interfaces. The CPU as a separate unit connected to separate units of RAM connected to a motherboards with a GPU attached to it is an obsolete design from an era when user interfaces were just gray text on a black background All these connections nowadays waste energy and computational power. A modern graphics card is a much better design for modern needs and demands.

>>510274816
nerdvidia deserves to die and rot simply because its owner wears a stupid leather jacket. He was able to be even faggier than jewlon muskrat.

>>510274985
I don't want to be mean; but no. CPUs and GPUs take two entirely different approaches to doing calculations. You need both. CPUs can run a single stream of instructions at an incredible rate. A single GPU can run say 16000 streams of instructions at the same time, but much slower per stream. The net throughput of instructions of the GPU is very high - but not all problems can be expressed in a way that can utilize 16000*N threads.

Graphics can use that many threads. Matrix operations (used in AI) can use that many threads - but even there the gpus just feed even more specialized compute units on their dies for even more performance on that particular task.

>>510265934 (OP)
Because Whiteman have sausage fingers and burger brains.

>>510274979
ty

>>510266506
It's just a shitty company

>>510274979
>You get the code working and start to give it a bigger dataset; but then you realize it might take 1000 days to execute on one cpu with the full dataset. But by coding a little differently, and using modern hardware, that might take 1 day.
stfu

>>510272812
I appreciate that. Yes, performance has improved drastically. I guess I just don't need it.
Nothing I do involves heavy computation. And thus my trusty old machine just keeps plugging along.
I can do video editing, older gaming if I want to (I don't), spreadsheets, coding, watching movies, downloading, and web browsing.
Whenever I use my work laptop, I see Chrome and Firefox and modern IDEs consume gigs of ram for no apparent reason, and many other strange things that defy all the practices I grew up learning.
Applications should be optimized.
I will admit rendering video from sony vegas in 1080p is kinda slow.

>>510265934 (OP)
Because Oregon raised taxes, dipshit
No one likes paying taxes so if you are rich and the tax rate goes up to.pay for homeless nigger addicts you can move

Meanwhile Texas chip fabs broke ground already

>>510265934 (OP)
not enough high iq indians

>>510276087
So now the same pattern will repeat in Texas?

>>510276087
>Meanwhile Texas chip fabs broke ground already
All these fabs breaking ground, what do they produce before they close?
Oh, right. great talk.

>>510265934 (OP)
Because the States of Oregon and California, made Intel an offer they cant refuse, to give intel 30 year property tax breaks, in exchange for DEI quotas, and donating money to their political nonprofits e.g. feminist majority foundation, rainbow push coalition, etc.

Then the investors wanted to pull 100 billion in dividends out of the company, and that meant not buying the new EUV equipment, and firing all the old men and replacing them with DEI hires, so by the time they did need to setup EUV machines the people with the expertise to execute on the plan were gone at other companies.

>>510268111
By me!

>>510266506
because they fucked up

>>510276048
>stfu
I shit you not. You are being left behind. It's why nvidia is a $4T market cap company - they figured it out and were first movers with CUDA and their GPUs. But the technology and approach is generic, and CUDA is nothing special.

>>510265934 (OP)
> Why can’t we produce chips?
Theres no demon portal on the west, thats why.

>>510265934 (OP)
A few years ago, Intel fired white men and hired DEI and jeets because fairness. The whole ‘latest generation’ product that they were counting on to compete against AMD failed due to incompetence. Oops!

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2415697/intels-crashing-13th-14th-gen-cpu-nightmare-explained.html

https://hardwaretimes.com/intel-13th-14th-gen-cpu-failure-crashing/

>>510269954
> Because we can just buy them from East Asian companies who don't hire loads of shitjeets to ruin them worse than Boeing.
Intel hired jeets and DEI and ruined a whole generation of chips. Now they’re several years behind because they have to design a whole new product line.


https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1kcGyQk5

>>510270820
> Intel is like the biggest kike DEI corporation in the U.S. Their failures we predicted over 5 years ago because of this
Correct.

>>510265934 (OP)
we all know why. it costs too much to do this in the USA. we don't make anything at all really anymore due to this.

>>510272736
https://thehill.com/opinion/4517470-dei-killed-the-chips-act/

>>510265934 (OP)
I work at Intel, and we're only firing pajeets. We're keeping white workers.

Screencap this :^3

>>510265934 (OP)
Intel is dead. CEO said they missed the training boat. They lost. Dead company.

>>510265934 (OP)
Asians get smarter every year, whereas Whites/mutts get dumber. You're already starting to see the results.

>>510279836
> I work at Intel, and we're only firing pajeets. We're keeping white workers.
That’s the only way to fix their shit.

>>510265934 (OP)
Rule 88 of /pol/ newfag.

>>510279121
Exactly my point, they fired all their actually competent White and Asian engineers for cheap jeets with fake degrees and 76 IQs because they could get 4 for the same price.

The results, much like Boeing speak for themselves, and also the fact all the new top semiconductor/chip makers in East Asia don't do this yet are the farthest ahead in the field.

>>510265934 (OP)
because the USA is the shittiest country in the world whose success was bought by brute force and lack of competition.
now it's impacted by every sociopath in the world using it as a piggybank to buy mansions and boats and fuck little girls.

I'm still rocking the last good shintel cpu

>>510272736
"in the USA"
I doubt that, Nvidia is building a plant in Mexico also a factory for car computers, thx gringos

I really don't understand the problems with making chips.

The US seemingly has the materials for it. Once you build one, you just put it on a processing line in a factory and produce as many as you want, right? What's the issue?

And like what's the big difference if the chip is the size of a quarter or the size of a penny? The items are so small that it shouldn't even matter outside of some rare situations.

>>510280868
>TSX on consumer chip
they dont make em like they used to

>>510280922
>Bragging about being used as nearby slave labor instead of overseas slave labor in one of Nvidia's many subsidaries.

Lmao, ok Paco.

>>510280962
It's already been said, the issue is the same issue that killed Boeing, which is US tech companies started mass hiring cheap DEI jeet slave labor because they would work for 1/4th the wages to escape their absolute flaming dumpster fire of a country and said traitors who run said companies fired citizens even while their cheap slave labor was in "training" (ask many former Boeing engineers.)

Tech problem in the US? Jews and Jeets.

>>510278491
Nonsense AMD has a full design center in Mumbai, Intel one is in Israel

>>510281132
Still better paid than 70% of USAians

>>510265934 (OP)
Jeetlon & pedo MIGADON's America, everybody.

I need to update my Ryzen5.

>>510272106
you will. maybe not this year, but soon enough. at least until software companies start yeeting jeets

>>510272736
jfc 241 billion worth of pork?

>>510265934 (OP)
>Why can't intel produce chips
Because no one wants to buy israeli chips

>>510265934 (OP)
Robert maxwell conspired with US and Israel Intel to in the 80s to steal chip patents and install Spyware into millions of computer devices for espionage.

Where are Intel chips being manufactured again?

>>510279784
go away

>>510281523
>Still better paid than 70% of USAians
>USAians

Lol, lmao, no you're not brownoid. (unless you mean your illegals here who fled your shithole who don't count.)

>>510280922
How about you clean your shit up

Blue states are poison for businesses.
Lefties should be used as forced labor.
They should all live under the whip for what they've done to our country

>>510279293
It's not about cost, it's about manufacturing standards.

I PROMIS

>>510270259
We do have some white men capable of the technical work, but DEI policy has fucked them over in favor of Jeets, which of course nukes the company because Jeets have scam degrees and they are nepotists that only hire fellow Jeets.

We won't have white men ready from the next generation though, because they will have all seen the Jeetification shit and won't invest in CS/EE degrees. THEN the thing everyone is falsely claiming was true will come true (because they poisoned the well with DEI).

>>510268652
Normies couldn’t give a flying fuck about hardware back doors. The simple truth is that AMD chips are a better value proposition and have been for several years at this point. Intel’s monopolistic practices just couldn’t keep up.

>>510265934 (OP)
This is what happens when you send all the chip design to the jews.

>>510281906
Literally wtf is wrong with Israel? Have they just been evil their entire existence?

>>510265934 (OP)
>be intel
>no innovation for 10 years
>no sub 10 nanometer transistors
>cancel plan for opening fab in israel
>???
>lose all profit

>>510266506
they ditching 18a which they've been shilling for the past 6 years and trying to act like its fine, pivoting to 14a

embarassing

>>510266506

Apple quit using their chips, people that build their own PC's went with AMD recently. Intel still doesn't have a competitive GPU, many people tend to buy AMD + AMD for gaming (cheaper)

>>510265934 (OP)
>Oregon
Even I, from the mountainous Balkan, know that Oregon is in Seattle and even I know that Seattle is DEI concentrate. Imagine if DEI was a liquid and they filled Crater Lake with it. That's Seattle. Trannies, faggots and niggers can't make technology work and are a workplace nuisance. You'd have to be an absolute retard to hire them. Only thing worth mentioning from there is Alice in Chains.

Intel is stuck in 10++++nm, their EEs are lazy and retarded jeets and kikes
fabs behind Samsung, SMIC, TSMC
>>510268111
>>510268652
based
intel is jew controlled chips

>>510276087

the Samsung fab in Texas has been delayed a bunch of times already.
My company hired loads of people for installing our product in that fab last year and they're just being dispersed around the Intel fabs in Phoenix, Albuquerque and Portland at the minute to try and keep them busy until Samsung eventually kicks off.

>>510282447
lurk for four years before posting

>>510283186

ajd ne bulazni