Is hate speech free speech?

>>510269493 (OP)
>Is hate speech free speech?
Someone said it 20 or 200 years ago, speech that no one has a problem with doesn't need to be protected. 1A is precisely about speech people don't like, and the nannies saying "not all speech" are communist operatives.

I got permabanned from Youtube for hate speech because I uploaded Kanye West's Nigga Heil Hitler song. It's obvious jews control the world and the internet. I hate the jews because of it. Fuck the jews.

I don't care. Don't persecute people. And I'm not doing the whole sensationalized nigger shit either.

>>510269493 (OP)
'Hate speech' didn't exist in the former West until a few years ago, the concept was confined to jewish bolshevist wetdreams before that. I find it unacceptable that so many people accept hate speech as a concept -there's no such thing.

>>510269493 (OP)
Free speech is fine, but people are free to cancel you. It's free speech.

Where there's a problem is that there are two kinds of people who speak freely, poor people who nobody cares about, and the super rich who nobody can touch. We've broken the wills of everyone in-between.

Under normal circumstances, I'd say that you're just slacker, screw-ups who bluff their way through their incompetence. At /pol/, there's an obvious inconsistency between general competence and the absurdly stupid ideas that get presented.

Free speech works best when something of value is being said. Endless homosexual theories on Aryans is what it is.....homosexuals tooling for Aryans. I put up with it, but no, I don't endorse it. How does it feel to be the only site out there that isn't dinking around with political conformity?

Where to now? As I see it, you're not out to start any flash mobs, so I'd still conclude that homosexuals are still just trying to be "free" to act out their barely under-control Tourette's.

If you were just liberal wanna-be journalists, you'd be gushing about "The Gay Experience" and starting threads on the inevitable next president being a gay.

It's kind of like Highlander. The normies don't come here to be free. They are hoping to vampire up some of that majik immortality. The real journalists know this, but they're a dying breed. This is not the happening place for freedom. It's the happening place for deviant social predators and your only value is pretty much from when you leak insider information.

>>510269493 (OP)
If you want it to be free speech- you take the consequences of your actions including the liability for the damage you cause on others rights and lives.

When cops escort Nazis into the park for a rally, it’s not to protect their “ideology”and right of speech so much as to protect hateful idiots from the consequences of those hateful words they speak. Normally, protesters don’t require the police’s presence to speak. Maybe we let you take the same risks, see how you fare without protection.

If you think about it, most hate speech is all about denying others rights rather than protecting and expanding them.

>>510270024
You downloaded speech that seeks to demean and belittle others; imply a threat. That doesn’t apply only to Jews but anyone you do this too. The internet is not your private army to support and defend your hatred; quite frankly don’t give a shit what you have to say if you’re just being an asshole. Definitely don’t want to be drawn into some nigger fantasy about war and domination.

>>510269493 (OP)
It has to be, because otherwise those in power will define any speech they don't like as 'hate' speech.
>>510271949
>freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences!
Something an abusive husband would say to his wife and children. And think himself monstrously clever for it.

>>510273431
Everyone knows you're jewish. You are not here on good faith, your bad faith is all you have. Do the world a favor and kill yourself before we come to you and hang you from a tree.

>>510269493 (OP)
you can't stop me from flapping my tongue and making noises that you recognize as spoken language
it's not a crime

>>510270408
Hate speech didn’t have access to the entire world via the internet a few years back, you knob.

It existed, but was limited to handbills and spray paint. It was somewhat controlled in the sense that there was always the possibility of being caught creating or distributing hateful content plus the limitations of a budget on those things. With the internet, it’s instantaneous and practically free to forward a message through millions of followers and their followers. Even our idiot President bought into the oft repeated conspiracy that immigrants were eating our pets.

>>510272858
>If you think about it, most hate speech is all about denying others rights rather than protecting and expanding them.
Define "others". It's some others vs. other others. For example, if you grew up around others who spoke the same language, and other others invited new others to move in and taxed you to pay their rent, speech complaining about that might be about denying the new others rights to border hop and receive gibs while protecting and expanding the old others rights to self-determination and affordable housing.

>>510269493 (OP)
yes

>>510273845
NHH

>>510274026
Having more access to spread more information is an invalid argument to wether or not hate speech is free speech.

So free speech should have ended when printing presses came out because it could potentially spread le bad words faster.

This is free speech.

Someone else post more free speech.

>>510273779
Because it's abusive to tell your wife and kids to avoid starting fights? This is kind of the cornerstone of the male personality. The assumption is that you will never have your own cop and free lawyer by your side to "get" the bad guys. I'd also add that nobody thinks they are that bad guy.

I guess it's monstrously clever and not common sense to avoid getting the shit kicked out of you. If the Internet started doxing women for not giving sex on a first date, would that be damaging or a sign of respect? .....or would it just annoy a kid with bad Internet behavior who wanted to play that card some more?

Boomer here.... I didn't grow up on the Internet. I'm kind of stubborn on those aspects of accountability.

>>510273431
Its just the same thing that Jews do. Are we not all equal? Are we slaves?

>>510273970
I can punch you in the face or just get louder, though. Free speech is governed by the listeners tolerance of the message, or even how you deliver it. It’s self regulating as it should be. But free speech isn’t so free if there is a concern that your government doesn’t want to hear your message- regardless of its content. It’s a gray area though. If your message can cause danger or mayhem to others- especially for the purpose of targeting others with the intent of stripping their rights or as intimidation or knowingly spreading false information- probably belongs on the no fly list.

The original intent of free speech was that a nation’s people could freely express displeasure in our government without risk of repercussion; not spreading lies about that new family in town. You want to do that, follow it up with “this is strictly my own opinion and does not necessarily reflect the views of others”.

You want to go after immigrants? Go after the knobs whose policy allows disproportionate numbers arriving.

>>510269493 (OP)
Excuse me, I'm part west African, I can say nigger any time I want.

>>510273845
White nigger incels are the worst- go choke on a tendie, neck beard. The only necking you’ll be doing is popping pimples on that fat lump of shit growing out of your shoulders.

>>510275088
Words don't justify violence unless your a feral ape niggermind kike.

Imagine hearing a word and losing control of yourself, and then acting like it's normal.

Lies are free speech too jew, like the holohoax right? Or is it just ok for semites to lie to gentiles?

>>510275088
So the Left’s pro violence message needs to be censored, got it

>>510275505
Sorry real life isn't an internet forum.
haha bro what are you doing picking up a rock
i just said your ugly wife deserves to die slowly of cancer bro ITS JUST WORDS BRO

>>510275663
Yes those are just words and the Internet is just as fair a place as any to say, literally whatever you want.

Just because le bad words might make someone upset doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be said period. Peoples inability to control their emotions is the larger issue.

>>510269493 (OP)
I hate niggers and jews

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes. The only speech that should be policed are direct threats. That's where the line is drawn.

Hate speech isn't real. It is a made up category used to silence free speech under a false moral authority.

>>510269493 (OP)
if you can't express hate your are only able to communicate in perverted euphemism

>>510275863
>Yes. The only speech that should be policed are direct threats. That's where the line is drawn.
I don't even rate those. If you're going to assassinate someone why the fuck would you incriminate yourself by advertising it? I guess a gangbanger might because they don't even think about it.

>>510274459
I said nothing to its validity other than explain why speech in general wasn’t so wasn’t reaching the masses as it does today.

My stand on free speech is simple: if it’s deceitful and intended to target, demean or intimidate, or diminish another’s rights, safety, financial independence; or cause violent political instability or upheaval- it probably should remain on the no-no list.

Yes, you should be able to bear grievances against other citizens or governments but violence should never be offered as the only solution to said grievance.

>>510274555
Its abusive to force your wife and kids to lie every day about interactions that are intentionally designed to hurt them.

>>510275088
The first outsider to cast a stone, gets followed home.

>>510275663
That fine for you to say. But if you say you WILL cause her to die slowly and are armed and she is within the vicinity: that is a deadly threat.

Bigger is not a deadly threat. Its like calling dirt dirt instead of soil. What is soil going to get offended over being called just dirt? Will whites chump out if you call them degenerates instead of fellow humans? The only animal that can't handle words are beaners with huge fragile egos and niggers.

>>510274543
Did you receive permission or pay Hulk Hogan for the use of his image? Does he expressly with your beliefs. Spreading anti- Semitic propaganda using known celebrity status is just exploitive messaging, not free speech. Obviously your wimp chinless face isn’t going to influence the intended audience you perceive as “manly”.

>>510276198
>If it's deceptive
Arrest all Jews now
>Intimidate
Arrest half of all rappers now
>Diminish another's rights or safety
Arrest all trans activists and sports players now


This is what you wanted correct? To enable the majority to enact vengeance on those that caused and intended harm to the majority? Justice is vengeance? I understand the left so much better now...

>>510274555
That’s common knowledge dude. You don’t start fights. There’s something wrong with you if you do (low self esteem, always feel the need to prove yourself). There’s nothing wrong with being able to resolve a conflict whether it’s mediation or a final punch in the nose. Real men are capable of governing themselves rather giving into emotion.

>>510275863
Not even a direct threat is speech that should be regulated.

It's a victimless act without action.

>>510275917
Hate speech is a bludgeon used by kikes against Whites.

Kikes can say whatever they want about Whites but never the other way around, that's called hate speech.

>>510269493 (OP)
>hate speech
There is no such thing. There is just "speech"
Just like there is no such thing as racism, antisemitism, etc
It's a flex. A power move. An overt manipulation tactic to get you to acquiesce to someone else
There is only speech of varying popularity
Why else would you think they invented bullshit terms like 'stochastic terrorism"?
That translates to: "speech that is completely legal, but I do not like it so I will invent a term that sounds bad to demonize it and so intimidate you into silence".
Just like "disinformation" translates to "True things that make me look bad and/or undermine my position"
The bolshevik fuckheads equate speech with violence so when you disagree with their opinion, they can then justify physically attacking you

>>510269493 (OP)
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

>>510276198
>if it’s deceitful and intended to target, demean or intimidate, or diminish another’s rights, safety, financial independence; or cause violent political instability or upheaval- it probably should remain on the no-no list.

Wrong, any words without action are simply that. Words. Not one person has the right to restrict anyone else's voice. It's a completely backwards notion of freedom that someone can't say le bad words because they "might" be harmful.

>>510274682
I’m not going to deny Jews seem to have some protected status as of late. It’s natural to take side of an issue like war especially if it’s for all the right reasons. It’s sad when your government forbids you to do so. To be fair, the Jewish people have been through a lot to get to this point, but they aren’t out to make any friends on how they are handling the Palestinians.

Not sure why we can take sides in the Russian Ukraine war but run the risk of censure suggesting that Israel may be a bit heavy handed with its neighbors.

>>510276198
>My stand on free speech is simple: if it’s deceitful and intended to target, demean or intimidate, or diminish another’s rights, safety, financial independence; or cause violent political instability or upheaval- it probably should remain on the no-no list.
Thanks, ChatGPT. Now let's hear Grok 4.

>>510277348
And, right on cue, some bolshevik fuckhead equates saying words with violence.
If I called this steppe nigger a steppe nigger, and he attacked me physically with a brick, in his mind he would be completely justified
If I defended myself from the unhinged steppe nigger with a brick - who was so brittle mere words were enough to motivate him to attack me - and shot him through the liver so he bled out slow, in his mind it would be MY fault

>>510276614
You are wrong in all fields. I can repost whatever I want regardless of who's in it or what the message is. That's free speech. Sorry.

Sage

>>510277536
>equates saying words with violence.
Quote the part where I equated words with violence. Notice how you literally can't. Looks like you're not dumping your own preprogrammed payload quite on cue.

>>510269493 (OP)
>Is hate speech free speech?
Yes. There is no "hate speech" exception to the first amendment.

>>510269493 (OP)
Freedom to speak your word doesn't mean freedom from other people retaliating to those words.

It is fully in somebody's rights to get you locked up for someone saying something that puts their own life in danger.

>>510277614
Notice how you absolutely inferred it with that pussified weak shit "freedom from consequences" as if ambiguity and plausible deniability is your ally...
We both know what you mean.
You're just too much of a craven little fuckstain to say it and I'm not.
>No, I didn't make those mouth noises!
Yeah.
You did.
It won't save you.

>>510277764
>If you make mouth noises I disagree with then I have the right to attack you physically
Reap what you sow, bolshevik fuckhead

>>510277764
>Freedom to speak your word doesn't mean freedom from other people retaliating to those words.
Correct.

>It is fully in somebody's rights to get you locked up for someone saying something that puts their own life in danger.
Incorrect. Rights don't exist and neither does authority. There are exists neither an authority to protect you from the consequences of your speech nor to punish you for it. Both sides of the freeze peach issues are just slaves appealing to their masters for arbitration. You are equals.

>>510277898
I didn't say words you disagree with, I said words that endanger.

If you choose to use your freedom for hate crimes, that's on you. Enjoy jail, since crimes do that

>>510269493 (OP)
Hate speech don't exist
TND

>>510275505
It’s not just hearing that word once though, it’s looking around wondering who’s thinking it and the connotations it expresses. You get beaten down enough , some words take on meaning. Being white and not subject to this, maybe feeling a little cocky about being higher on the food chain, we tend to brush most insults off. Words still can trigger whites into action though. Fag, trannie, loser, and most recently pedo, have resulted in negative consequences though it’s usually on more personal level resulting in violence, harassment, or suicide.

>>510277764
Words cant bring your life in danger only violence can you stupid nigger kike, not that i expect a subhuman to be able to control emotions

>>510277798
>We both know what you mean.
What I mean is that in a free society, it's totally ok for people to beat you to death for saying certain things. Now try to respond to this without dumping another load from the database out of context.

>>510278009
You couch your meaning and intent behind inference and innuendo
So feline. So much bolshevism. So much passive aggressive faggotry.
I speak my mind plainly and pay the people I speak to the complement of being blunt.
You hide like the little coward faggot you are

>>510275627
And that message is what, again? You’re projecting, as usual.

>>510278061
Words cause danger you retard
You think the crusades were for fun? No, it's because the magic book and the self proclaimed kings in control of said magic book said it's important.

Niggers

>>510278097
>it's totally ok for people to beat you to death for saying certain things.
And it is totally ok for people like me to shoot people in the face who try to beat me to death for saying words
You are advocating for some kind of Hobbesian bellum omnium contra omnes
Anarcho tyranny

>>510269493 (OP)
No such thing as hate speech. Total bullshit concept so the kikes can police your speech. They want to make antisemitism illegal.

>>510278271
>And it is totally ok for people like me to shoot people in the face who try to beat me to death for saying words
Yes. So it's settled. What you demand isn't a "freedom" of speech, but a privilege of speech. The laws of logic dictate that the "authorities" that hand down privileges are also free to rescind or limit them according to their whims.

fuck off kikes that shit won't fly here go be a kike in Pissrael if you don't like it

>>510275821
In the end, it comes down to personal values, morals, and just how much of a dick you feel like being. People with low self esteem are always out targeting others looking for that street cred and climb another wrung on that social ladder. There ain’t no misery like shared misery.

>>510278430
So you are admitting to advocate for anarcho tyranny.
No rules at all for you and "the authorities" stamp down on anyone "not you" that you don't like.
We've seen this in Venezuela and other places. Lower classes weaponized against the middle class - free to attack who they want with impunity, so long as the elites are left alone in order to crush the middle class and solidify control.
Which brings us back to shooting you in the face

>>510278643
I'm not advocating for anything. I'm presenting the facts of the matter. I thought we agreed you're gonna stop pulling off talking points from the corporate database out of context.

Yes Hate speech is free speech

>>510269493 (OP)
>free speech: real (Chad)
>hate speech: fake (troon)

>>510275863
You could put a person directly in the line of fire with a non threatening lie though. Your innocent message could very well be a call for others to act. Wouldn’t just be easier to just not lie or spread cherry picked propaganda about others? Avoid the questionable legalities or just fuck it up for everyone else who somehow manage to inhabit public spaces without being a hateful twatwaffle?

>>510278744
>I'm not advocating for anarcho tyranny
>while advocating for anarcho tyranny
Gaslighting? Really?
You're not very good at this, steppe nigger

>>510278805
Looks like we've reached the end of your dialogue tree. You have no preprogrammed template for this situation so all you can do is continue to hallucinate my "advocating" for something, where all I did was to point out the objective truth of the matter while making no prescriptions.

Just go ahead and have your impotent debate with other human cattle about where your desired privileges as if your masters give a fuck.

>>510278797
>Wouldn’t just be easier to just not lie or spread cherry picked propaganda about others?
If it's so easy why don't you and the rest of your longnose tribe try it some time?

>>510279228
I'm not here to debate you, steppe nigger
I'm here to mock you and hurl abuse
>You're not accepting MY TRUTH!
That's right
I'm not
And this has been said by every fucking cult member, ever, when people don't buy their bullshit
Seethe harder

>>510276286
Well.. there's truth to that, but I don't think /pol/ is about that kind of abuse. Ever heard of Munchausen's disorder? It's kind of typical of mothers who hurt their kids to they can take them to the doctor and then talk to the doctor.

Some people just like a captive audience. When pathological liars play people to get their fix, they need to be dealt with. We have a lot of people "playing" others on /pol/, but I think they're mostly getting a giggle with their racial slurs.

When you hear me talk about homosexuals, I typically say that it's a mental disorder and I avoid using slurs. If it starts drifting towards pedophilia, I may observe it as "faggot" behavior. I prefer to sound intolerant on subjects where my personal judgement cannot be swayed, nor am I likely to be around to constantly refute someone's spin on my comments. Other than that, I don't like people assuming that I'm a wife beater when I'm in my sixties and never married. Probably just another Munchausen's mother who wants to cry "rape". There's a lot of rape over the Internet, you know.

If you want to PROTECT your free speech, I'd suggest that you demand legislation that forbids collecting information by which to profile people without any legal business relationship that might require that information. You can't go around saying people are a bad risk because they are men and all men are wife beaters.

This is really the alpha and omega of MAGA. Forget about what Trump says, people are tired of dealing with phony witch hunts. If I am a military officer, I'll likely teach my kids to call me "sir"...but I wouldn't. That's just me. I don't expect my job choice to be my family's choice as well. If they grow up on military bases though, they should know something about those subtle relationships and I don't need a faggot social worker pretending to know about my kids more than I do...if you know what I mean.

>>510276847
That’s usually how laws work, actually. If a majority agrees on a rule a few individuals choose to disregard then yes, arrest and prosecution for violating an established rule is the repercussion for disobeying the rule and not vengeance.

Creating laws that directly affect others who conflict with your sense of morality is vengeance. More so if a population is split over whether the law is justifiable outside of one’s personal beliefs.

It’s a sad indictment upon a right of free speech that extent of a given right is constantly tested by a vast minority yet we all pay a price for their desire for attention through the use of “shock value” messaging and speech.

>>510279615
I don't know what your psychotic tantrum is all about. I'm just pointing out that your demands have nothing to do with "freedom", but are rather an appeal to a violent force to protect you against natural consequences by threatening others.

>>510269493 (OP)
>speech
how did the jews trick us into branding "speech"

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes.

>>510279876
I particularly like how you redefined "speech" into "threatening others", thinking nobody would notice.
I noticed.
Again, you're not very good at this

>>510280022
>I particularly like how you redefined "speech" into "threatening others"
Quote where I did this. You are literally mentally ill and hallucinating over and over again.

>>510278115
>>510277798
>>510277536
This guys cool. He gets it.

>>510279876
You're descended from poos.

>>510269792
America has been policing speech since Day 1...if not officially, then through vigilante violence against those who speak disapproved viewpoints. It's time you dumb mutts stopped bragging about your nonexistent freedumb utopia.

>>510274026
is "fuck white people hate" hate speech? or are you going to pull the "pOc CaN't Be RaCisT" card?

>>510277485
I don’t use Artificial Idiocracy programs, just common sense.

any speech not involving threats or explicit violence should be allowed desu everyone too soft in the modern era

too many people never been in a real fight or smacked in the face or bullied in school or all 3 xd who cares abt words

>>510280056
>more gaslighting
God I fucking hate you breadtubing shitbag tankie fucks...
Your entire argument is predicated on the false idea it is okay - somehow - to physically attack someone for speaking their mind.
It is the ONLY way you can justify the violence committed by fuckhead bolsheviks
And I am not accepting that framing - nobody should
And so you lie and gaslight and engage in plausible deniability and innuendo.
Back to shooting you in the face
Just get rid of you motherfuckers and be done with it

>>510272858
>When cops escort Nazis into the park for a rally, it’s not to protect their “ideology”and right of speech so much as to protect hateful idiots from the consequences of those hateful words they speak. Normally, protesters don’t require the police’s presence to speak. Maybe we let you take the same risks, see how you fare without protection.
If a BLM rally got their shit knocked in your fag ass would be begging for the police. You only hold this view when it's people you dislike.

>>510280264
>Your entire argument is predicated on the false idea it is okay - somehow - to physically attack someone for speaking their mind.
I'm not "arguing" anything. I'm pointing out the fact that in free societies, there were no laws about what you could or couldn't say, but likewise there was no central body with a monopoly of violence to force your delusional "right" to continually vomit whatever degenerate string of words comes to your mind and have everyone else tolerate it.

>>510277542
The internet is final bastion of free speech. Like accessing porn, people have fucked that up. Who’s to say your insistent desire to fuck with others won’t one day bring about the same results.

There’s a fine line between freedom and the abuse there of. Learn the difference between “I can” and “but should I?”.

>>510269493 (OP)
yes, but it often comes at a price

>>510269493 (OP)
“Hate speech” isn’t real.

>>510269493 (OP)
In the US there is no such thing as hate speech.

>>510271949
>deranged faggot
Kill yourself,
there is no "free speech" anywhere,
not even here.
Most of the people are bots and glowniggers,
and they record your information and harass you
for posting anything here.
You believe in "free speech,"
because your faggot ass doesn't have a thought
not put in your mind
by the Electric Kike.

>>510280447
>No no, I'm saying it USED to be that way
I really... really fucking hate you people
I can post up all the fucking Stalin-era ideological warfare memes and frontload them now instead of you going down the list one by one and save us all a lot of time.

>>510280610
There is no such thing as hate speech AT ALL.
Saying it only happens in the US is buying into the idea of Magic Dirt.

>>510280632
>Your entire argument is predicated on the false idea it is okay - somehow - to physically attack someone for speaking their mind.
I'm not "arguing" anything. I'm pointing out the fact that in free societies, there were no laws about what you could or couldn't say, but likewise there was no central body with a monopoly of violence to force your delusional "right" to continually vomit whatever degenerate string of words comes to your mind and have everyone else tolerate it.

Now, I understand that your entire breed of Hobbesian island inbreds hates genuine freedom with a passion. So maybe you should stop this Orwellian practice of framing your meta-level authoritarianism as "freedom" and just embrace the need to Anglo's deep need to the boot.

>>510280923
>well um actually that thing you call a freedom is like hecking oppressing me whitey.

go back to Israel where you belong lol

>>510281134
You sound mentally ill but the point still stands. "Freedom" doesn't appeal to armed gangs headed by Jewish pedophiles to enforce it on everyone.

On any major platform,
the word "Mizrahi" literally gets you shadowbanned.
You're literally not allowed
anywhere on the English-speaking internet
to tell people
the majority of Kikes in Israel
are literal sand-niggers wearing kippahs.
Even here,
if you bring it up in a thread,
the bots just stop replying
and your post will be slide right off the board in no time.

>>510281240
who do you think headed the soviet union during the revolution? Armed gangs lead by jews.

>>510280923
>Engages in pushing for Hobbesian bellum omnium contra omnes - war of all against all anarcho tyranny
>gets called out for it
- LATER -
>Now, I understand that your entire breed of Hobbesian island inbreds hates genuine freedom wi...
Eat the corn out of my shit

>>510280612
Why don't you use your free speech to tell others about how people use bots and FBI agents to harass you? I just gave you a psy-op to work, for free! Who is funding the surveillance state?

If I were reading between the lines, I'd hear you saying "It's the JOOOOOOS!". Are you so dense as to make this "Lions, and tigers, and bears! Oh, My!" response? Forget about the mystery bots. Put the facts on the table or you ARE the FBI idiot who thinks I'm going to tell you all about my criminal doings just because you befriended me with a slur against Jews. ...or should I be pitying you for having all that free speech and not a damn thing to say that anyone cares about?

>>510279873
go back

>>510281439
You and other degenerate child-grooming troons have a symbiotic relationship with authoritarianism. You need the state to protect your "right" to spread your ideas while enjoying armed protection from the natural reaction against it.

>>510280399
It really would depend whether the BLM rally was infused with messages of hate and violence, or just a call for social order. Black people in groups really make you nervous, don’t they? Sadly any protest or rally is going to be infiltrated with assholes exploiting the confusion. It really comes down to these groups calling these players out. Saw a televised BLM March. It was rather interesting to see the groups that had infiltrated the March. 1. Most of the people “breaking shit” were both white and from out of town. 2. Much of the fear of violence was initiated from e-mail messaging with threats to burn neighborhoods down being traced back to Eastern Europe. 3. We had an active local community in public spaces like Ring spreading lies and misinformation about planned BLM rallies which triggered a lot of hatred and hindered efforts to build community centers in black neighborhoods. Why the fuck should I care what the black community wants to build on the other side of town in their own neighborhoods? Apparently, I’m supposed to give a fuck according to these racist idiots.

>>510281696
This anon >>510281439 is right.
You're a fucking jew.

>>510281596
Sorry, I don't buy into your generate Hobbesian delusion about how everyone needs to deepthroat the state's boot for freedom to the possible. Hobbes and other Anglo "thinkers" were and are inbred subhumans. Your entire race and all of its derivatives should be culled.

>>510281832
Reminder that there is no difference between the Anglo and the kike. Your time is coming. :^)

>>510281961
>no U
Reminder that brigading here doesn't fucking work, Shmule

>>510269493 (OP)
As there is no real definition for hate – of course.

>>510277680
>Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
Lickspittles pretend they don't know what the word 'abridge' means.

>>510282019
Gonna be funny to watch you screeching about your """rights""" and """freedoms""" while your entire family is getting assraped and hacked apart by superior races.

>>510282019
He's right. The christian zionist anglo and the israeli jew have the same objectives.

>>510282178
>kike power fantasy
Go jerk off to James Gunn's Superman (by James Gunn) made by James Gunn
It's just Superkike golem from Planet Jew.

>>510282321
Go lube up and bend down for niggers, spics and the other, higher forms of life who will inherit North America from the Anglo disease. That's the only future you have a "right" for.

>>510282278
Latviabro, I genuinely like you guys.
I am wearing a ring made in Latvia right now.
But nobody has bothered to ask me if I have a drop of Anglo blood in me at all, or if I am a Christian or not.
One of those faggot things from /pol/ = all burgers are 56% mutts, unless you can condemn them for being an Eternal Anglo...

>>510274026
I yearn for the day we can purge this land of traitors like you.

>>510282610
Uh oh... Why aren't you respecting his freedumb of speech?

>>510281696
It wouldn't be so authoritarian if the majority liked that "right". Homosexuality always seems to find its way to this debate, but isn't Obamacare an unfunded mandate to force the public to fund costly medicines to allow people to practice anal sex? Is it political profiteering or an unfunded mandate. I don't see this at a good thing either way.

This is free speech. You may not want to THINK that Obamacare is a way to keep the rich from having to pay their traditional tax burden, but if you let yourself get tied up in "freedom", then you got played.

How would it play out if you were the kind of douche-bag who convinced emotionally depressed kids to commit suicide? Are you going to say "Well, they were just going to get groomed anyway"?

Arguing for free speech should always be interpreted in one of two ways. You're either looking at the big picture, regardless of minority political considerations, or you're on a fact finding mission and you aren't going to punish people for being whistle blowers.

That's not so hard, is it?

>>510282952
I just kinda glanced at your post, saw multiple instances of "Obamacare" and my eyes glazed over. It really doesn't look like Americans have a capacity for principled higher-order thought. Your thinking always boils down to some political circus events and rhetorical cliches about muh freedumbs or some such.

>>510283206
I guess Moldovans don't have a capacity for reading comprehension. Principles don't mean much if you can't defend them with anything other than sound bites. I'm not about to defend anyone's right to shit sound bites without hearing the other side.

>>510282321
Didn’t Trump just portray himself as Superman in a Whitehouse press release in yet another high point for his administration. Please take your right to vote more seriously than petty vengeance next time you vote.

Absolute freedom is a concept on a sliding scale dependent on society’s values. It’s the ability to not only do what and say what you want but the intelligence and temperament to govern one’s actions and accept the consequences for them. Your freedom is defined by your adherence to societal norms. Your freedom becomes limited when you insist on wandering outside of those societal boundaries.

As a kid, I pretty much had the freedom to do whatever I wanted. Ride my bike to town, spend the day out in the woods. As I got older, my mom traveled leaving me a lot of space. Our relationship was always based on trust that I wouldn’t do stupid shit when I wasn’t being watched. My friends were amazed at the shit I could get away with. Two years in HS with no parent to supervise on the weekends- never hosted a party, smoked dope at the house, or do anything stupid like drunk driving or bring girls around. Never gave mom a reason to curtail my freedom. All bout the trust in the individual to do what’s right. Written law and consequence for those who have trouble with the concept.

>>510283735
My reading comprehension is decent enough. It's just that I looked at your reddit spacing and some of the phrases you used and figured your post isn't worth reading. I even told you as much.

>Principles don't mean much if you can't defend them with anything other than sound bites
Sure. By the way, your "rights" and "freedoms" don't mean much either when their implementation and their very conception depends entirely on the same centralized, authoritarian governing bodies they're supposed to protect you against. kek

>>510282952
You don’t get AIDS exclusively from anal sex. Whoulda thunk many of the homosexual community long before Obama were actually bisexual and spreads the potential of AIDS to literally any partner. So yeah, Obamacare- also the closest thing we have toward universal healthcare coverage— is also covering even the most innocent of AIDS victims.

>>510284534
>You don’t get AIDS exclusively from anal sex.
Then what did you get AIDS from?

>>510284258
Reddit spacing.... All you're telling me is that you're a cell phone user who has no practice writing long comments. Everything I said was in proper context. You just acted out the rhetoric like a puppet.

Reddit users, which I am not, don't matter here. Obamacare is a perfect example of a link that seems a non-sequitur but really isn't, if the participants are gambling on political lockstep to push a lie.

You seem to think that the rich shouldn't be paying taxes.... probably think that the government should be paying you to create jobs, which you probably wouldn't create, at least not in the US or Moldova.

I'm right, aren't I? Free speech.... "Don't abuse it by spreading FUD" is always a good idea.

>>510284726
>Obamacare
>You seem to think that the rich shouldn't be paying taxes
>probably think that the government should be paying you to create jobs
Kek. See >>510283206
>It really doesn't look like Americans have a capacity for principled higher-order thought. Your thinking always boils down to some political circus events and rhetorical cliches about muh freedumbs or some such.

>>510284582
Your mother.

(I don’t have AIDS you silly twit)

>>510269493 (OP)
Hate speech is the VERY ESSENCE of free speech

>>510284878
How did my mother manage to fuck you in the ass ?

>>510284534
Yes, and you don't get Monkey Pox that way either... seems that the only exceptions were little kids though.

I'm feeling a "faggot" comment coming on, but it's a bit of a distraction. AIDS was identified as a threat long before Obamacare. Obamacare came off with the logic of "If you don't pay for their drugs, they'll just infect the widdle chillin" That's almost government sponsored terrorism to me.

..free speech!

>>510284996
>Hate speech is the VERY ESSENCE of free speech
Then why not just cut to the chase and reinstall the freedom to beat the shit out of degenerates?

>>510269493 (OP)
this
>>510270408
The term 'hate speech' didn't even exist when I was young
Its a jewish construct invented for censoring and deleting what its not in favor of (((them)))
Its also a paradox, it doesnt make sense used in the same sentence. Its one or the other

>>510269493 (OP)
You wouldn't need fucking "free speech" if it only applied to the kind of speech that made everyone feel good ...
...now would you, you twat?

>>510285030
She gives a mean hummer with a little ass play.

Regardless, you can get AIDS from heterosexual relationships. You don’t even need to perform analysis.

>>510285312
>you can get AIDS from heterosexual relationships
But how do you know? You've never had one.

>>510282481
I am just talking about the collective unconscious conspiracy that runs the world. America doesn't even need to be anglo or christian for it still to be running.

>>510284844
Does it ever bother you to reply to a reply with a cut and paste with no clear comments explaining them?

Free speech isn't just against "the Man". Free speech is against local yokels who try to raise the rabble to do their bullying for them. This should not need to be said. It's quite simply the supposition that members of a democracy cannot vote responsibly without information. No, it's not about the alpha monkey being able to use the N word whenever they can't break some thing that they desperately need to break.

>>510280075
And it's time for dishonest losers like you who don't understand what is done by citizens is one thing and what the government does is another

are vigilantes goverment agents to you?

Is your brain full of pryons and turning into sponge slowly?

>>510269493 (OP)
Hate speech should be treated like cussing. It's your right to cuss but other people's right to tune you out or dismiss you as low IQ or trashy because of it.

>>510285693
>Free speech isn't against "the Man"
>Free speech is against local yokels
That's what I've been pointing out. Thanks for conceding my point. It's nothing more than the "freedom" for the state to disseminate degenerate ideas without retaliation.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes, scholomo, now stop poison gentiles now.

>>510285071
I never actually heard the implied threat that AIDS carriers were threatening to infect others if they couldn’t get healthcare. It was always a given that without assistance for costly treatment death was inevitable. Any reference to pedos is more of a GOP concept/ conspiracy. Not to say there weren’t a few carriers angered by the fact some random had passed on the AIDS virus to them but honestly don’t remember your version of holding the country hostage versus getting the healthcare needed.

Let’s face it, we were all engaged in the risky behavior that resulted in AIDS back in the 80’s and 90’s: sex.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes. Because if you restrict who you can complain about you no longer have free speech.

>>510280075
>people beat up nerds and weirdos that talk shit
>this is exactly the same as the government telling you what you can and cannot say and throwing you in prison for the rest of your life if you do otherwise
Just because you got swirlied in high school for being a nerd doesn't mean constitutionally protected rights cease to exist.

>>510278051
God damn, first day on /pol/???
Sticks and stones you monkey banana nigger.
We teach this in kindergarten.

>>510286054
>people beat up nerds and weirdos that talk shit
This is the default situation without the state and its """free speech""".

>the government telling you what you can and cannot say and throwing you in prison for the rest of your life if you do otherwise
This is the default situation with the state and """free speech""".

>>510273431
Found the racist hateful jewish supremacist. Jews, and others, are allowed to endlessly spew hatred against white people and they are never punished for it. Not by any institution and certainly not by any govenment.

You have a double standard because you're a racist piece of shit.

>>510277191
Stop using their language, they are parasites want leech more of their hosts.

>>510285866
The resultant consequences of you exercising that freedom to disseminate hateful rhetoric and propaganda is, in fact, is the catalyst initiating those limitations upon freedom.

You can pretty much express yourself anyway you prefer to on 4chins right up until the moment you get banned thusly limiting your ability to freely express yourself

Hate speech is just speech that actually creates movement in the opposite direction of that which the ruling class would want.

>>510285883
It's never been any secret that AIDS was linked to anal sex and that other means of transmission were possible but far more unlikely. Most people who are the exception probably aren't. They just didn't want the label of "homosexual".

Let me be clear. The healthcare needed is ABSTINENCE! The fatal nature of the disease is such that no responsible doctor would ever ethically recommend any kind of anal sex in a community known for infection.

You're making excuses for anal sex. You always WILL make excuses for anal sex. It doesn't matter who else is denied treatment for other diseases. You need your anal sex.

People see this a mile away. Free speech. ..and we know what drives those who try to stop it.

>>510280090
In what way, being schizophrenic over internet?

>>510282479
Swear, are you a pajeet?

>>510286743
>amurderican education

>>510286107
I understand you have a lot to teach children, amirite?

It’s really not a matter of sticks and stones so much as choosing the specific stone for the greatest effect. I’m not black so I wouldn’t pretend to understand the whole black experience with the word. But in terms of lethality, certain stones tend to be more effective.

>>510286267
They think choosen mean higher divinity of godhood.

>>510280612
trvthnvke

>>510286368
>The resultant consequences of you exercising that freedom to disseminate hateful rhetoric and propaganda is, in fact, is the catalyst initiating those limitations upon freedom.
The "freedom to disseminate hateful rhetoric" has been around for 200,000 years, golem. The catalyst for limitations upon freedom was the invention of agriculture.

>>510276198
And who will be the arbiter of these rules? Because your "stance" is most certainly not going to be agreed on by anyone.

>>510286934
>subhumans can't control themselves when their fee fees get hurt
Got it.

>>510285866
That's all dependent on what you call retaliation.

Cops hate it when you take pictures of them making an arrest, but it's not against the law. It's just not convenient if it showed up in court, contradicting their accounting.

You aren't providing any kind of accounting. I kind of think that you have experience with damaging evidence. Normally, I'd write that off as bad habits from childhood sibling rivalries, but parents normally aren't very good at "rights" for their children.

As with parents, teaching your kids the "why" matters. You're not doing that at all. You're dicking around with schoolyard cliquishness. There's nothing to concede because you're not making an argument.

>>510287179
>That's all dependent on what you call retaliation.
Lynching degenerates is what I call retaliation.

>>510287237
Soo..that's your definition of "free speech"?

>>510286514
You have AIDS or you don’t. There is no type of sex more likely to prevent AIDS other than abstinence. Safe sex practices and knowledge of your partner’s relationships is a close second. Anal sex is associated with the gay world so a go to. You can pass on HIV sharing a needle, or any type of contact involving body fluids such as kissing or oral.

>>510287430
There is no such thing as "free speech".

>>510269493 (OP)
Sure in that the government can't arrest ya for it, doesn't mean ya won't get your teeth kicked in by niggers though

>>510286559
Personal preference. AI cheapens intellectual capacity and curiosity. Call me an ol’ timer but I believe any intellectual achievement should be the result of personal effort. AI is the ultimate form of intellectual socialism.

>>510288034
>AI cheapens intellectual capacity and curiosity.
Then why don't you at least type out your pilpul manually instead of using ChatGPT?

>>510287474
OK... now... you're a Republican who just had their "Defense of Marriage" law tossed by SCOTUS... You have a married gay couple who you know won't live without AIDS drugs that they could not afford on their own... They demand the right to adopt children.

From where I stand, you just got a .45 calibre cock stuffed into your gop. This isn't your binary "you got it or you don't".

Why is Congress still hiding? If we have free speech, why isn't anyone asking them?

>>510287671
I'm going to pass on this existential theme, OK?

>>510287127
Normally I would expect the people we elect would normally reflect our desires to some extent. A left leaning population may expect an extension on basic human rights whereas a right leaning government may emphasize Christian ideology over non- secular beliefs. The real concern is when a government goes rogue or easily manipulated by populist ideology rather than the needs of its people.

>>510288495
I don't care, nigger. My point stands unchallenged: the limits of privileged speech (what mindless golems like you erroneously call "free speech") are for your authorities to dictate. It is whatever they say it is and this is embedded in the very concept.

>>510269493 (OP)
who decides what is hateful?

>>510288927
>who decides what is hateful?
The same people who decide what your """rights""" are charged with enforcing them.

>>510269493 (OP)
No. Hatred and freedom are mutually exclusive.

>>510288385
Clear your headspace a bit. AIDS doesn’t play favorites anymore so shouldn’t be a factor unless you are sexually active in general. Your real issue is the belief that sexual preference is a choice, that it can be taught or that gay parents would spend a life time indoctrinating junior into believing they are gay. Little known fact: all gays are a product of a heterosexual relationship. They didn’t start their kids out in life hoping they’d one day go against society’s concept of normal.

Rephrase the question if you want an unbiased answer.

>>510289123
>Hatred and freedom are mutually exclusive.
Kek. The final stage of Anglo thought.

>>510288280

I’m not sure whether it’s a compliment to be accused of using chat AI or an insult toward the neutrality of my responses.

>>510273431
What was the threat, little jew?

>>510289405
Neither. It's an observation about the generic mindlessness of your rhetoric.

>>510275088
>I have so little impulse control that I react to words I don’t like with violence
So much for high verbal IQ
>go after the people importing the immigrants
We do, you call that hate speech based on antisemitism

>>510288854
Our “authority” is a product of democracy. In theory, our authority reflects our desire and also understands the consequences of going against it. If America truly wants unfettered free speech, would there be no limitations then. The truth we all have our breaking point. Our “authority” are the ones that draw the line in the sand.

>>510289775
>Our “authority” is a product of democracy.
You mean your authority is a product of "democracy". Not reading the rest of your bot post.

>>510289492
You don’t mind if I call you a dumb cunt. Seems fitting. Named after your mother and all.

Point I was making applied to pretty much any speech in general with the intent to intimidate or demean another in the eyes of society.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes. "Hate speech" has for decades been uncomfortable truthful speech that communists or other leftist redditor types don't like. If you've ever interacted with them you know that they're some of the most hateful people in existence. By their own logic they laws should apply to them the most, but it doesn't, because it's not meant to stop actual hate or harmful ideas.

>>510290087
I must be that intimidating that you have to keep claiming that I’m a bot. How big of an inhaler collection do you really have?

>>510288854
Your point has been challenged, repeatedly! Free speech is another "Innocent until proven guilty" application of how to judge motives. Free speech means that we are free to lie, just as the state is free to lie, except while under oath.

The common sense "feel" to free speech is that social engineering can't apply to speech. You don't get to torture people until they agree with your politics.

For my part, my politics doesn't include humiliating minorities with ethnic slurs. I don't need to prove my merit by testing social engineering laws. I don't think you gain anything by alienating people who are more likely to be an ally than rich aristocrats.

You really aren't making a point. To most poor people, I'm a rich aristocrat. To most aristocrats, I'm just another middle class bum. I've recently inherited a fair amount of money and could play rich for the plebes by waving it around, or I could play rich for the rich by not spending it and blaming the poor for their troubles. It's not that difficult to play people, but you do find yourself asked to do things that you might not want to do.

My angle is to protect free speech, but not to glorify Communist leaning ambitions. If you're going to take the shiny things from rich people, you will need to publicly execute them and let everyone know what their crimes were. If you're playing Communist, that will likely come back to haunt you while you pursue your ambitions.

I'm on the slow boat. I'm going to use my free speech to tell you that you aren't going to get free shit for being a baby maker. I'm going to tell minorities that they aren't going to get a good job if they carry on like they're in a street gang....and I'm going to tell homosexuals that I'm just not interested in their habits. I don't give them details, not because they have broken my rules, but because they WANT to break them. Being civil only leads to conflicts.

>>510290330
Has Reddit been around for decades? Feels like it when you’re barely old enough to log onto adult sites. You know you voted for a child molester, and you have the audacity to call others out being communist? Priorities man.

>>510290671
At some point, you should have the integrity not to lie, or be willing to bear the consequences if called out or face punitive infringement upon your right if doing so. Lying just to harm or fuck another person over is just wrong. Your “oath” should be your honor. People who lie to get things done are garbage.

>>510290391
You're the brownest kike in the bar mitzvah and nepotism only goes so far. They'll give you your 10 agorot per post but they won't trust you to write one yourself.

>>510290671
>Your point has been challenged
Not really. Your "freedumbs" inherently rely on authoritarianism not only for their implementation but for the legal and intellectual framework under which they were conceived. Not reading the rest of your post.

>>510291137
Should we beat the 5 year olds who insist 2+3=4?
If you don't like what is being said you are free to use your voice to contest it.
You are not free to reatrict others.

>>510290691
Reddit took a turn to the worse about a decade or so ago and now it's a caricature. Was trying to describe a pattern and the type of person who pushes for hate speech laws against those they disagree with.

>>510269493 (OP)

I was thinking about these topics because of this board and 'free speech'. When we juxtapose 'free speech' with the rest of the internet and what they have censored it basically boils down to 'you can't say nigger, faggot, and kike.'

But if the rest of the internet were to extend this freedom, we would have the most free speech LEGALLY POSSIBLE by the first amendment of the constitution of america.

If you think about it, we will NEVER have FULL free speech to say ANYTHING you want..

You will NEVER be able to say, "I'm going to kill timmy timmystein at 123 timmy lane at 3:00PM". Let's take the most extremist reasonable example, like, you want to say this, but you're not going to harm anyone. No one will let you do this. They will view this as a threat and send people to your house.

Is it 'free speech' to say this? From a logical argumentative viewpoint, it is. However, let's say, you say this, but don't do it, or hurt anyone or you're "trolling". People will take it upon themselves to call people to deal with you.

Let's say it's true and you take it to court. You argue that you are not free to "speak" the thought of wanting to harm someone. Does it matter that you are 100% correct and it is a logical fallacy? There is no juror that is going to be like "Well gosh man, you're right, you've made a 100% logical proof. I guess that means we means we have to allow people the freedom and ability to start threatening to kill other people."

Actually, can someone elaborate on this? I'm curious because of the topics because of what we've been dealing with online speech, free speech, gab, 4chan, creating a site like this, etc.

>>510291188
You’re babbling at this point. Sad to think there are individuals like yourself out there incapable of accepting that most of us don’t rely on technology to fight their arguments. You’re not any different than those incels that cry “trannie” every time they get backed in a corner.

>>510289218
AIDS does play favorites and always did. Exchange of body fluids. Promiscuous sex habits. ...and nobody asks the kids if they're sexually attractive.

Where's the bias here? Am I being unfair by not telling kids if I find them attractive? No, you went full circle is all. AIDS is a gay disease just as Monkey Pox is a gay disease.

This is typical liberal... look the other way and sooner or later, maybe the illegal will trick some idiot into making their baby. The bias is already way across the line, and Obamacare was the end result of lobbyists and irresponsible politicians who were out to maximize the gay marriage decision for political gain.

The only think you kids are missing is adult experiences from before 9/11. You have been trained to not be accountable for anything.

>>510291759
>most of us don’t rely on technology to fight their arguments.
You're not relying on it to "fight your argument", you're just relying on it to spam for 10 agorot per post because your uncle secured you a position in the local ADL office.

>>510291471
>freedoms rely on authoritarianism

That isn't a point worth refuting. If I use the word "polysyllabic", does that mean that I have a big dick that flops around like a five syllable word?

I'm just an "ironic" kind of guy, but fun to be around!

>>510291473
So you’re admitting that hate speech is the equivalent of a five year old’s confronting the reality.

The answer is that we first request how that five year came to that conclusion (usually shitty parents not getting involved with their child’s education early in life), and then educating them on how to find the proper solution to a problem.

Unfortunately, we end up placating the parents and child’s ego and making an issue for next year’s class. Kinda like hate speech. We tend toward not calling it out for what it is and make it other people’s problem.

>>510269493 (OP)
Only if it is directed at those whom I don't like.

>>510291137
Normally, I agree, but we have a "free speech" quandary in the current politics of women's rights. Women have a long tradition of being one-way recipients of chivalrous good will. To them, lying is just feminine wiles. I find that I regularly have to protect my rights when family men are just trying to get some action later.

Forgetting the trolls of /pol/, most forms of prejudice involve marriage entitlements at the source.

>>510291608
It’s a differing opinion. 4chan has been the caricature of losers, pinheads, racists, incels, and fringies since its inception.

>>510292451
The reality of mathematical reasoning

>>510292451
>we first request how that five year came to that conclusion
What relevance would that have to describing truth to them?
There is no ego involved in contesting falsehoods without logical fallacy.

>>510292675
We want to believe when it comes to a relationship with women. The goal is to reproduce and well do what it takes to achieve it be it the wiles of a woman to stripping them of as many rights that their survival imperative is trumped by our urge to wet our dicks. Women understand this and choose carefully who they engage with.

>>510291672
>If you think about it, we will NEVER have FULL free speech to say ANYTHING you want..
>You will NEVER be able to say, "I'm going to kill timmy timmystein at 123 timmy lane at 3:00PM".
The irony is that freeze peach princesses don't actually care about that because they don't believe in their own rhetoric, either. They feel "free speech" isn't really about THAT, but most of them can't nail down what their intuitions are really about.

You can still infer it from the kind of "violations" they get assblasted over and it mostly revolves around tards feeling entitled to have their "ideas" accommodated. Granted, killing Timmy Timmystein is an idea, but they mean ideas in a more lofty sense, like it's bad if Timmy Timmystein is an actual person but it's ok if Timmy Timmystein is an abstract stand-in for every kike on the planet. So the bottom line is that of course I, as an individual, can't just go out and lynch Timmy, but """society""" as a whole has a """right""" to entertain killing them off systematically as a matter of state policy. :^)

>>510292229
Concession accepted.

>>510291473
Unlike social rules, employers are going to take exception to 5 year old air traffic controllers who don't have good math skills. I won't take sides, but it does concern me when people post a lot about airport accidents that seem to trace back to minority hires who were all quota and no math on their own part. This is where you have to take the good with the bad. The quota hire is NOT worth the hundred or more lives lost through incompetence. It's not proof but pointing it out isn't evil.

>>510292676
No it's not just a "differing opinion" if you're willing to weaponize the government to go after people, ruin their lives and fine/put them in prison for having opinions that you disagree with. Only an evil person tries to justify or argue for that.

>>510292925
A request of how one comes to a conclusion gets one to better understand the students intellectual capacity and understanding of the environment he occupies. It’s not a challenge of wills allowing a student to come to a conclusion but an opportunity to explore the possibly flawed methodology that led to the conclusion.

>>510293505
Yet we have Trump and his minions willing to do just that.

>>510293302
On Friday nights, I concede to do my "Irony" dance!

>>510293692
>Your point has been challenged
Not really. Your "freedumbs" inherently rely on authoritarianism not only for their implementation but for the legal and intellectual framework under which they were conceived. Not reading the rest of your post.

>>510269792
This.
/thread

The only speech that isn't protected is direct, credible, specific threats against someone's life or direct, credible, specific exhortations to get others to murder someone.
>I am literally going to murder you tomorrow, Mr. X.
>You, Mr. Z, go murder Mr. X tomorrow.

>>510269493 (OP)
Is hate speech a thought crime?

What is i hate injustice? Or black pudding?

Or dumb asses?

>>510293659
Hate speech laws or laws used to restrict free speech are almost exclusively put into place by leftists. Some cuckservatives may bow down to and let it slide after a while like in the UK, Germany or across EU but the right is for the most part much more in favor of liberty.

>>510269493 (OP)
Wasn't this a hot topic like ten years ago?

>>510293542
That's racist.

>>510293938
Yes, and it still is today.

>>510291900
Again, the refusal to admit that someone would actually take up a moment of their time to respond au gratis to correct your flawed thinking. I’m guessing your interactions with other humans are always at a price.

>>510294014
How is that racist? Maybe a projection on your part?

>>510293192

Yeah I just caught that as I was posting. Theoretically, I just said "I'm going to kill timmy timmystein at 123 timmy lane at 3:00PM" to present an example as an argument which would invalidate my point.

However, let's continue. Let's say I were to "be serious" instead "present an example". Does that change the nature of the argument? It still stands. You are not allowed "to speak" the thought implying the real motive to cause harm. Whether you intend you to cause harm or not is a non-sequitor. Hence, the logical fallacy.

A lot of laws in the court system are just an emotional circus to deal with logical inconsistencies.

>>510294451
Because the authorities said it was racist.

>>510294337
>Again, the refusal to admit that someone would actually take up a moment of their time to respond au gratis to correct your flawed thinking. I’m guessing your interactions with other
Your correction was something to the effect of "this is extremely dangerous to our democracy". lel

>>510273431
current america here folks, land of the coward, home of the slave.

>>510293542
So instead of challenging Kanye's song with factual information in a similar format you think finding out why he believes this is imperative.
What if you find all the information that brought him to that conclusion is true?

>>510293892
Probably because the right pushes some of the most racist, misogynistic, anti- social messaging out there.

The left: in an effort to curb climate destruction, we urge everyone to drive EV’s and encourage alternate energy sources.
The right: oh noes! Not enough ((white)) babies. Let’s take alway women’s choice, threaten single women, and roll back women’s rights so that they’ll have to make baby.

>>510294553
>However, let's continue. Let's say I were to "be serious" instead "present an example". Does that change the nature of the argument?
Sure. It changes the discussion from a red herring about what mouth noises some random schmuck is allowed to make to one about what lines of thoughts the collective is allowed to entertain and this changes a mundane court ruling that Chud can't threaten to kill his jewish neighbors into some political fiasco about the court ruling that "the People" aren't allowed to consider the JQ.

>>510295286
Competition is a better measure of truth than emotions.

>>510294553
Logical inconsistencies begin with prejudiced juries. There's no solution to that. If a southern belle claimed to be raped by a Black, they'd lynch him. If OJ's glove shrunk, his jury would free him and start a GoFundMe to pay for his lawyers and some new gloves.

It really doesn't matter. What everyone has already observed is that the working class and poor all pretty much would rather break the government than trust it. They grew up to translate the government and the boss man as a source of rulership by fear.

There really shouldn't be any laws against Internet bullying, but minors shouldn't be allowed there anymore than they shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car.

>>510295145
That’s a big what if, though. If Kanye wants to share his logic, more power to him. My guess is not flawed thinking so much as manipulative marketing to the dumbest possible customer base.

>>510295286
>The left: in an effort to curb climate destruction, we urge everyone to drive EV’s and encourage alternate energy sources.

>>510295819
Just like the holocaust.

>>510295286
No, the right mostly pushes status-quo messages. I guess that's why they're conservatives.

Where the right screws up is not very different than when the left screws up. They "know" when something is going to be interpreted wrong and they pretend they don't see it.

liberals: the law is the law unless I don't like it, then it's the 14th amendment!

Conservatives: Don't tax rich people who create jobs - for illegal aliens.

It's a democracy, and it can't work if we don't get our voters to vote for sensible laws. You won't ever win an insurrection and most of the people selling one are just looking to loot and pillage and commit some social engineering crimes while you're too busy to do anything about it.

>>510269493 (OP)

>>510296488
>liberty is when the state forces people to listen to your arguments about why you should be allowed to groom their children
Anglo intellectuals.

>>510296775
Like Christianity?

>>510269493 (OP)
yeah

>>510295788
Or prejudiced thinking. Probably more the root cause. Then prejudice in defense of a flawed idea.

We all hold ideologies unique to ourselves. It get problematic when our ideology has major impact on others whose ideological views differ. Big difference between accepting the existence of the LGBTQ community and the belief they should not exist though. Not my cup of tea but I’m not hateful enough to harass them simply because they differ in thought. Maybe I’d feel different if required to have gay sex in an effort to understand the experience. But I do understand the experience of being bullied. If some of you assholes actually crawled out from the basement and experienced real physical bullying, maybe you’d have more empathy for the underdog and less for those who want you to believe bullying is cool. Alpha male has sucker written all over his face.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes and it's why Canada isn't a country and needs to be annexed from this traitorous regime

>>510296775
You seemed to be obsessed with this pedo thing. Right much?

>>510297562
>kike automatically reacts to the mention of grooming
Sorry, was I being antisemitic again?

>>510270024
>black anon here

>>510297329
>prejudiced thinking
Is saying rain falls to the earth predjudice?
Maybe we should take your approach to lgbtq+.
We have, and found that most were molested as children leading to tge reasoning that it is a mental disorder with a known cause.
Should we then attempt empathy with the mentally ill?
Allowing them to further destroy not only their own existence but enact their will upon society at large?
Or my approach, take what it is at face value and describe why this ideology is harmful to self and soceity.

>>510297775
No. Just being an asshole. I’m just curious about your fascination with the pedo world. Literally never existed until Trumps ilk and all its mainstream were permitted space outside of “Bigfoot Lives” talk radio and the National Enquirer’s Alien pages. Seriously, you’re part of a new wave of alternate reality. What school do you originate? Nancy Grace’s “Tot Moms”? Geraldo freak show, maybe? Seriously though. Pedo, trannie, rapist immigrants and whatever. Serious legacy you have to protect there. You’re doing God's work.

>>510298655
>I’m just curious about your fascination with the pedo world. Literally never existed until Trump
Did Trump help you guys dig those NY tunnels, rabbi?

>>510298655
>just ignore the FBI data on missing children
Doesn't burst the bubble or the echo chamber so it doesn't matter right?
On to the next current thing.

>>510298048
It could be if you lie about the frequency of that rain. It really depends on the intent of disseminating such information. Sort of how hate speech plays out. Find an example of bad behavior and apply it to all. Better yet if it’s out of context to the actual event.

>>510297329
I could easily say something similar about Autism. It's not philosophically important as much as we don't want Rainman wandering around on highways looking for his underwear.

AIDS became a thing in the early 80s. There were minor cases since the early 1900s, but the "epidemic" was declared in 1981. It was actually called "Gay Related Immune Deficiency" at the time. What did CDC do? They hid that and renamed it AIDS.

Don't assume that people are out to get the LGBTQ community when politics can easily be blamed for hiding facts.

What matters is that this has been an "epidemic" for 40 years now. What should have happened LONG ago was for the medical community to admit that a sex addiction mental disorder causes this community to regularly be the primary source of infection for people who likely would have taken a lot more precautions if they new the history of people who were carriers.

Abstinence matters, even if you aren't a homosexual, but not every situation is planned for and never was. What does matter is when people know that they are carrying a deadly disease and expect government money to keep it in check or they'll just go out and infect people anyway.

This IS simple. AIDS treatment isn't a preventative measure. It's a gamble with no second chances. Why hasn't Congress solved this problem simply by shutting down the behavior and the risks that keep it in circulation. It should have ended in about 1985, if they weren't being puppets for rich media moguls.

>>510299171
Does context matter to facts?
Or is it an emotional thing?
Is hatespeech merely inconvienient truths?

>>510299001
No, but his people were on it like it was some major happening or would soon be.

Really, that was the worst possible conspiracy you could latch on to.

Seriously, a bunch of old school Jewish youth mined their way into a void under their synagogue. Pretty scary stuff.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes, if you disagree you are a nigger faggot chink-loving jew lover.

>>510290172
You’re not telling me what the threat behind “heil Hitler” is, just seething about someone saying it

>>510299171
>depends on the intent

>>510299485
Didn't read. Stop raping kids.

>>510299443
Context matters. A man rushes me in my home weapon in hand and I shoot him.

A Japanese kid gets shot in the back as he’s leaving for knocking on the door at the wrong address.

Yeah, context matters

>>510299485
Like you EV example.
It's purely emotional.
The real carbon footprint of EVs is twice that of combustion over its lifetime when you factor in the mining of rare earth metals.
An inconvienient truth that you become emotional over.

>>510298655
>trannydom and pedophilia did not exist before 2016
You leftoid cultists can’t actually believe that, right?

>>510299552
You know how being around a couple of guys kissing makes you uncomfortable? Or some chick flashes her tits when you’ve got family night TV with the parents? Same for Jews when hearing praises or embracing rhetoric that resulted in a lot of tragic death for them.

>>510299771
In speech any relevant facts are in context.

>>510299685
Three sentences too much for you. Maybe just tired of being the punch line to a joke? You’re a fucking retard. And the embodiment of an asshole. Not the position one wants to be if planning to procreate some day.

>>510300079
>it makes them uncomfortable
Gotcha, so simply making someone uncomfortable counts as a threat to you. There isn’t anyone else alive who would agree with you, but hey, you do you little leftist

>>510300418
Didn't read. Stop raping kids and stealing Palestinian organs.

>>510299986
They existed, they just weren’t a political talking point. There are only a few words that really get the heckles of a voter up and the Right seems to have embraced them all- actual issue or not.

>>510269493 (OP)
what do you mean by "hate speech"?

>>510300513
Lalalalala… I can’t hear you! Fucking dumb ass.

>>510293819
idiotic and wrong.
>what are libel, slander
>what is "yelling fire in a crowded theater"

MAGA trash fake-martyr syndrome about "muh free speech" is off the fucking charts.

Sorry you can't use the n-word in public without getting excoriated, I know that's probably a good third of your total vocabulary.

>>510300791
Threadly reminder that Epstein represents Israeli influence on American politics.

>>510300904
Slander is a civil crime and yelling fire in a theatre is not illegal, it is not unprotected speech.
Say nigger in public is not illegal either, it's somewhat against social norms, becoming less so.

>>510300430
I was being sarcastic but terms you would understand. I guess if you were a victim of sexual abuse, your feelings toward anyone encouraging sex with minors or rape might just scratch the surface of the Jewish experience of being bum rushed by Adolf Hitler to extent of millions of ancestors dead. Even being a denier of Holocaust, you could not deny the experience of being a victim and the discomfort incurred with the support of your abuser.

Again, not my experience but I am familiar with the effect of bullying and those who enable them.

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes, you vaccinated nigger monkey.

>>510269493 (OP)
Are Jews human?

>>510301433
>denier
refuter.
The Haavara agreement lead to the death of 20 million Europeans.
Bully is niggers beating whites for saying nigger. A civil rights and constitutional right breech, unpunished.

>>510301251
Threadly reminder that the Epstein legacy is a product of the Rights furtive imagination to toss its dogs a little red meat but is currently a thorn in the side of the right. I don’t see the left too concerned other than the possibility of a government cover up to protect Trumps administration.

>>510301832
>TDS word salad
Didn't read. Stop raping children. Stop stealing Palestinian organs. Stop losing wars to Iran and then kvetching for Trump to bomb them for you while you mald against him.

>>510301830
Maybe not be so quick to instigate one’s own demise? Seriously, you don’t call someone a nigger without the expectation of consequence.

>>510269792
>speech that no one has a problem with doesn't need to be protected
>>510270408
>the concept was confined to jewish bolshevist wetdreams before that
thank god the supreme court has unanimously endorsed the view first expressed by justice louis brandeis that there is no such thing as hate speech, that the primary beneficiary of first amendment protection is "speech we don't like," and that the only answer to "speech we don't like is more speech"
brandeis was a (((sabbatean frankist))) and if you know what that means then you know that three parentheses isn't enough
yet we owe our modern approach to hate speech (unanimous: it doesn't exist) entirely to him

>>510301964
You’re babbling. Meds time.

>>510301986
Speech is protected.
Assault is not.
White men of good character.
A mind able to compete.

>>510302070
Why did IDF helicopters shoot the dancing Israels on October 7th?

>>510300724
Anything you say that I don't like

>>510280075
>murder has always happened regardless
>so it's dumb to try to make it illegal
el oh el

>>510301986
>it's ok to kill a 5 year oldif he's white and says nigger.
Full circle.

>>510301338
>buh buh libel and slander are civil
*sigh* OK but defamation isn't protected speech

>buh buh the n-word is allowed!
Fighting words, as defined by the Court, is speech that "tend[s] to incite an immediate breach of the peace" - and is not protected. Although I'm guessing you're gonna say "no but saying the n-word doesn't mean I want to start a fight"

more examples (certainly more than your 2x "these are the only examples of unprotected speech simple as derp derp") here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

>>510302225
oh so like
"MAGA trash are fake martyrs with their 'muh free speech' bullshit" is hate speech?

>>510302487
"Free speech" means you can't go to prison for saying it. It's rules for government has has nothing to do with civil liability.
"Fighting words" describe intent to do bodily harm. "Nigger" describes your opinion of the character of a person, as used in "gamer speak", not do bolidly harm.

What do you think a holocaust museum would do if I donated a historically accurate reproduction of the Haavara agreement?

Or the names of the 20,000,000 million Europeans?

>>510303797

>>510269493 (OP)
Yes

>>510269792
>speech that no one has a problem with doesn't need to be protected
came here to make sure this was posted

>>510269493 (OP)
speech = speech
and if speech is free then it doesnt matter what word you put in front, it is and should be protected.

>>510271949
>but people are free to cancel you
then its not free
retard
"bro groceries are free, just take them, oh but the cops are also free to arrest you and send you to jail for not paying for it"

>>510281696
God it's so funny when Jews pretend to be us. "If I say jews or troons then the gentiles will believe I'm one of them *rubs hands aggressively*"
It was unfortunate that the rats were ever allowed out of the walls and basements where they hid from us.
>>510281767
>It really would depend whether the BLM rally was infused with messages of hate and violence,
Is robbing multiple stores not violent enough for you rabbi?
>were both white and from out of town
everyone knows that narrative was never gonna catch why do you still use it? 9/10 looting videos are of blacks.
>their own neighborhoods?
funny you act as if a race can own a neighborhood, but if a white were to have the same view about white neighborhoods you and your ADL jewfriends would sue him into the ground.

>>510301433
You still haven’t explained what the threat behind “heil Hitler” is, just rambled on and on about how it makes jews uncomfortable and should therefore be banned as hate speech

There is no such thing. You are just mentally ill.

>>510301832
>epstein is a product of the right
Actual fucking retard

>>510301251
Is this proof jews know what they're doing is wrong? Or is this just more trickery?

>>510273431
>Definitely don’t want to be drawn into some nigger fantasy about war and domination.
Yet you are advocating for exactly that: for Jews to take down everything. Jews consider the internet to be their private army, and you've been brainwashed that the adversary opinion is labeled as "being an asshole". With your logic, did you consider that everything in the talmud is written by religious assholes?

>>510306132
Stop raping kids, tranny.

I just took a hueg 9 squuueze 4min shit behidn my cabin in maine woods then put some pine needles over it

trees will be so thankful for nutrients

>>510307360
give up the act rabbi you will never be White.

>>510307718
Why did Heidrich call Zionists the Reich's natural allies?