Do you think the U.S. government has lost the mandate of heaven? If so, what sealed it and why?

Someone said, paraphrased, "when you can trust [software] pirates over corporations, the government has lost the mandate of heaven". I think that's silly, but when stripped of its context and inserted inter other contexts, across many contexts, I think it is a half-decent symbolic line in the sand.

Then there's Epstein. Both parties had the microphone. Basically, you have to either accept that we protect pedophiles for the good of the country, or that the country should be ungooded.

This is all to say nothing of attempting to replace its own population, or relocating massive swathes of tax money to another particular country, or even directly to the detriment of the taxpayers. These things, overall, tell me that there is no real context where the government itself is Lawful Good. It is either less than lawful, or less than good. Could God love a country like ours?

How do you feel about our government's top priorities? Do your peers or contemporaries disagree with you on a core level?

>>510303584 (OP)
o_o

>>510303584 (OP)
Got goosebumps reading all this

>>510303646
Sorry little Canadian, return to syrup in peace

It's always been a fake jewish country propped up by parasitism and made up financial scams

>>510303833
flag

>>510303584 (OP)
>has the USA lost the mandate of heaven

Yes.

>when did it happen

Probably in 2003, when the USA performed an unprovocked invasion of a sovereign country over a false claim that they had nuclear weapons. Then one million people died, then a lot more suffered due to the political strife that destabilized the whole region.

>Or in 1993's Waco siege

When the ATF and FBI surrounded a church and terrorized them for 90 days until they decided to set it on fire and kill the people inside in a borderline demonic sacrifice, then the USA proceeded to acquit all those responsible for the Waco massacre.

I can see both situations being the prime example of what leads a nation to lose "heaven's mandate". The classic example is the Han dynasty self-absorbed in palace conspiracies while they country starved and suffered through a pest, then brutally crushed the peasants with warlord armies when they tried to help themselves.

Those same warlords then went on to game the political sphere of China, resulting in the three kingdoms crisis.

The mandate of heaven? This is America not some ching chong place anon. It's losing the plot. Get it right chink.

This is the place for talking about it, yknow? We should step back and look at what is, and what it means.

I am not a white piller. I was full into the idea of a revitalization of American Nationalism and I was even willing to compromise on civnatism in order to re-align our brown future with something good, but it's clear that the momentum of this has been coopted and psyoped up in odd ways that I don't have the IQ to summarize with any brevity. I sense intuitively that many Americans who are usually comfortably divided are currently a lot closer in focus with one another than we have been for a long time. I think this is the effect of the internet. It's a big unwinnable battle against the natural social consolidation of information.

>>510303584 (OP)
Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.

>>510303584 (OP)
We're still in the 'rule by eunuchs' phase. Leftists feared Trump was Dong Zhou, but he's not even He Jin. Trump is actually running interference for the eunuchs. Dong Zhou has yet to come.

>>510304100
Ad hominem = automatic loss but I will pretend to entertain your stunning (and quite generously translated) hypothesis of "if the usa if not china, then it doesnt require any spiritual condition from the public, because countries which are not china dont require such in any instance", if you give me a good reason why China needs it and the UsA does not.

>>510304068
>wmd's in brownsandistan
>waco
Both are betrayals, but did the general public understand? The questions I've asked in this thread; repeat them to anyone you please in an appropriately truncated form. Do they think we have "hold the torch for mankind" or what have you, still?

>>510304559
I can't imagine that happening. They would have to experience some kind of resource crisis or we would have to be at literal "warlords controlling x and y territories" status before someone could have the combination of necessary factors to do such a thing. By the time it could be solved feasibly and SUFFICIENTLY via targeted force, it'd already only be a matter if time anyway per empire-death. Even if some psycho military guy pulled off a "storming" it would only serve as accelerant, and I think we are accelerating in a direction we will regret. I think the only real answer is time & nature, and that it will end with megariots/general loss of order unless a country with feasible authority remaining to it swoops in, and then God knows, anyway.

>>510303584 (OP)
this entire concept is only relevant when people were actually needed in society, now with ai and robotics we realize that most of you are not needed, and can easily be replaced with an indian.

we are in a state where even the poorest peasant has access to more bread and circus than a king 3000 years ago when the idea of a mandate existed and mattered. we know from history that revolutions can only happen when people are starving, if it comes to that the government can simply nationalize mcdonalds and all other fastfood chains to provide just enough food such that you don't starve, but also enough to make you fat and lethargic, heck most of america is already eating this shit on the daily.

the choice is easy for most, give your life and die fighting some pdfs who have military grade security at all times VS eating tendies video games and weed.

If you're reading this at work, please be aware that this is your yearly subschizo retard savant review. Autism will be judging your performance, now.

>>510303584 (OP)
God's fingers aren't digging into your country's pie. A sizable part of the Bible, which you seem to have avoided, is dedicated to God NOT interfering in mortal manners even when it might be a good idea.
Mandates of heaven are manmade and typically used to push dumb ideas with impunity.

>>510306257
Manmade, or no, I look down on you for attempting to squabble over the distinction

>>510306135
>ai/automation/workers dont matter
We are not there yet. Take this one to the people importing workers.

Watch this thread, and feel free to bump, anons. I don't normally post, I am doing this as a service out of love for you. It has all been boiled down into a situation so pure. All who work against us through words and argument are helpless to the truth between us. We are very powerful right now and they are very weak. You should read my OP and speak, not just in the thread but in real life. All we need to do is talk.

>>510303584 (OP)
Since the american government will never change because it is fundamentally compromised, the only solution that comes to mind is civil war.

Given the pitiful state of affairs you americans find yourself in, I wouldn't be surprised by an epidemic of Mangione-style targeted assassinations.

>>510306850
it's very close, amazons already deploying at their warehouses.

to keep it in perspective, humanoid robots can replace most idiot tier jobs in the next 5 years. at a cost of 50k per robot working 24/7 + compute + servicing, that is equivalent of paying an indian 2$/hour

https://x.com/Rewkang/status/1940831760377602196#m

>>510306989
I think that you are closer to the mark than some others. I think a decent into general disorder is the way it's going to go, to the point where my mind wanders to "what could they even do to stop it//how long?". Trump attempting to kill the Epstein crimes, to me, makes it seem like they are now prioritizing prevention from my exact point of view and that the scope is getting short term, as in, "we actually have to do this (kill Epstein & narrative) to prevent serious general disorder Right Now"

>>510303584 (OP)
>mandate of heaven?
retard alert

>>510303584 (OP)
multiracialism and sodomy sealed it. Both are unnatural

>>510306989
I don't think a civil war will happen, though. I doubt our ability to properly split and rally among meaningful dividing terms. The states could try without the sauce, but with a 50+% defect probably, probably terrible. I think it would dissolve into a "shitload of fuck"

>>510303584 (OP)
>mandate of heaven
Fuck off with that chink mumbo jumbo

>>510307843
If you care to construct an argument out of that, I will entertain you, because I have already done it once within this thread. Sometimes 4chan needs someone like me to express a little patience and play with you guys. In the end, this is all a crucible for narrative reality, and in this we have more power than we understand!

>>510308013
Do it, disassemble possible meanings of the phrase and describe why the questions I have asked are Chinese. I am here with you.

>>510303584 (OP)
>Do you think the U.S. government has lost the mandate of heaven? If so, what sealed it and why?

Yes, obviously. They abandoned it themselves when they willingly rejected the goal of maintaining their body populace as being composed solely of those that are of God.

The 1965 immigration act marks one undeniable nail in that coffin, for example.

>>510308183
>Do you think the U.S. government has lost the mandate of heaven?
>Could God love a country like ours?
what are you actually asking? if there's a literal man in a robe on a cloud, judging your actions? And that he has declared you are not worthy?
retard alert

>>510303584 (OP)
>If so, what sealed it and why?
It started with the invasion of Ukraine. The NPC golems were programmed to call Putin a war criminal any time two people died as collateral damage to a missile attack on electrical infrastructure. The underdog Ukraine was painted as objective good because it was fighting back against tyrannical colonialist oppressor Russia by any means necessary.

Then October 7th happened. The golems started googling the factors in and around the conflict and found out Israel is a tyrannical colonialist oppressor that massacres innocent people every day. Naturally this triggered the previous programming ala Ukraine. But it didn't stop there: Dispensationalist golems with a different set of programming also existed on the opposite side of the political column that support Israel vehemently and will simply disregard any comparisons to Russia because Israel can do no wrong.

You can gaslight some of the people some of the time, but you can't gaslight all of the people all of the time. Gaslight too much for too long and the whole room catches on fire. The Epstein thing is just incidental. The runaway meltdown already started.

>>510308280
I do think that turning its back on its own populace is a core marker and that this act is an important landmark of that process. LBJ insisted through the press that the consequences of this law would not affect many people's lives. You have to wonder if the old man thought he was right, given that the office of President seems to be retroactively demonstrated to be a true figurehead / election trophy situation.

>>510308487
I understand that these are Western notions which may not be so popular in the east, where your family is from. I invite you to shed literal God from the equation and look at it as a general status among men.

>>510308599
>the consequences
were nothing short of catastrophic

>>510303584 (OP)
>le mandate of heaven
This isn't China. Here in the West, kings receive their diadems from the hand of the chosen people.

>>510303584 (OP)
>country built by masons
>anabaptists and other heterodox spread their ilk
>corporations like bell and union pacific kill the frontier
>everything bestowed is consumed like sacrificial offerings
>freedom granted by a piece of paper withers away so the masonic seeds planted get fat
>even the values from our golden age is built upon materialism
God never loved our satanic country

>>510308537
I think the CONSOLIDATION of a public judgement was occurring around that time, the same one we are in now, actually. That is to say, I think you are way too recent, and that by extension, Epstein is too recent, and that these things have served to "further the inevitable", rather than causing it. I think the last choice to have any chance of stopping the riot-end future, may have been one which would have prevented 9/11

>>510309179
>Here in the West, kings receive their diadems from the hand of the chosen people.
[laughs in latin]

>>510303584 (OP)
>mandate of heaven
internally? no, mutts like what they are getting
internationally, as world hegemon? yes, China is effortlessly more appealing in near all areas

>>510303584 (OP)
we lost the mandate in ww1 and 2 when we betrayed our Germanic ancestry to become shabbos golem

>>510309331
>>510309179

>>510306989
rare, I'm afraid we exhausted all other options years ago

>>510309305
>That is to say, I think you are way too recent
Potentially, but I'm directing my answer to the question of "what sealed it and why?" Inevitability implies that all of us are powerless and simply along for the ride, and I've never been a fan of determinism. Each major event is a like a "gate" of causality, a point of no return, especially if we just start spiraling out of control.

To put it a different way, which event is the moment we lost the mandate? February 24, 2022? October 7th 2023? Not exactly neither, and not exactly both. "Losing the mandate" is an on-going progression. The phrase itself is heavily tied to the Yellow Turban Rebellion, but the Han crushed them only to fall to other factors. I'm not sure if there was any single factor that caused the spiral. It is a process.

>>510303584 (OP)
When it gave 30 billion to irssrl instead of doing the non glamorous projects like building new regional water reservoirs for our population size, closing the boarder to illegal immigration (we can talk about legal immigration, as long as illegal is gone).
When they give more money to a forgion goverment than they do Hawaii fire victims, it’s over

>>510309559
You were already shabbos goyim Germany was breaking free of it and you aided with the wrong side.

>>510303584 (OP)
yeah no shit. the bible outlaws interest on debt and our country is basically the financial empire of the world. our country is basically Sodom and Gomorrah but with greed and money and debt slavery.
I just hope people wake up soon and stop hating each other and start hating the people that caused all this

Why is it that everybody seems so self-conscious that it's China which holds the mandate? I asked in the OP if you knew anyone who disagreed with your core or overall judgement of the U.S., so I would also ask if you know anyone who is praying for a chinese takover solution. I would bet, fucking nobody. Maybe you could find them on 4chan, but in your real life? Fat chance. That said, those people, as well as ourselves, could be wrong, in general, about what is Good and what is God, but I doubt it. I think we are the barometer and that the mandate is missing altogether. That is just my opinion. Probably the least sturdy personal opinion I have expressed in the thread. Chinese propaganda could change my mind.

>>510310027
The U.S is represented by about 10 metropolitan cities and the rest of the country is full of useless eaters who can be replaced. China is the same except they are not bound by the moral cuckoldry of the west, which gives them much higher efficiency therefore granting them the mandate. in a sense china can fix most of the problems in the U.S materially through brute force.

>>510309741
I really enjoyed your reply and appreciate your perspective. I think you're right and that the moment of the "seal" is shared, as it was a process involving many events. Doesn't diminish the question, I think, insofar as it exists for the sake of reflection. And in the end, I bet, for all it's worth, that if we were God, as God is, we could name the exact moment within the gradient down to someone's morning coffee.

>>510303584 (OP)
You can think of it as the "mandate of heaven" but it's really just the snake eating it's own tail.
When you treat the rest of the planet like shit, eventually the government treats it's own people like shit, and then it loses all cohesion and falls (from without or within).
That's what your are seeing now. Otherwise known as "peak kike".

If you persist in clinging to this idea of losing God's grace, then you should read the Book of Habakkuk.
There is nothing new under the sun.

Governments can be overthrown. The Declaration of Independence outlines our right to abolish the government and institute a new one.

Yes, I believe the US government is rebelling against God and deserves to be overthrown and replaced.

The American people and the land itself will persist, and the nation will thrive free from tyranny.

>>510310482
>the moral cuckoldry
Show me on the doll where even one remaining moral touched you

>>510310558
>if we were God, as God is, we could name the exact moment within the gradient down to someone's morning coffee.
Indeed, and even more than that. God exists outside of time looking in, and time is not a linear progression. He can see everything that ever was, everything that could have been, everything that is, and everything that could or will be. A lot of people view time as a straight line. I kinda wonder if it's more like a funnel.

>>510303584 (OP)
>we protect pedophiles for the good of the country
No one is protecting pedophiles.
The richest, most powerful men on the planet are getting blackmailed with nuclear weapons grade dirt in order to further the MAGA agenda.
Then, whenever they are no longer useful for that purpose, they can be thrown to the wolves by releasing the dirt on them anyway.

God doesn't exist you retarded faggots

better question is
>do I have the mandate of heaven
not
>do we have the mandate of heaven
if enough of the population believes in themselves and what they're doing and why they're doing what they do, then a nation will produce good and strong leadership, the population will be competent and motivated, it will take good positions, it will keep good priorities.
that is 'the mandate of heaven'.
and 'we' don't have it.

>>510310965
for example, we use illegal immigrant labor as a mora loophole for slavery. we know we need slavery but the average american is so stupid its a taboo subject. China doesn't care and pays their idiot laborers 600$ usd per month all inclusive food/shelter which is no different than plantations before the civil war. american moral cuckoldry is why manufacturing will never be brought back with human labor, robots can however.

>>510311056
You've got me way off track, but viewed raw, I bet that time is like a ball, like a bunch of mass forming into a planet, with the limitations of possibilities within time providing the curved edges

>>510311385
There are many whom maga has churned through. Where are their blackmails? Just playing literal satan's advocate, here.

>>510311472
I touched on the inverse (or close inverse) of this question, at least, by pondering whether we are correct as a population in our judgement of what is Good/God i.e. the health of our standing for issuing or declaring the mandate.

>>510311576
I don't think that one comes down to morals, anon. We have an environment where a certain velocity of x dollars-per-person-per-(time) is necessary to prevent the general disorder which is the thing which they are trying to prevent in the first place, especially with the Epstein reveal, by which I mean that, their response to Epstein narrative shows they have reached "prevent disorder or bust" decisions regarding the mandate i.e. the justification of authority

Lots of hotword-befucked anons equating Mandate of Heaven to "chinese phrase which means china good and usa bad". I would suggest to them to read "mandate of heaven" as "moral justification for authority"

I have to go and give my attention to my friends. Anons, please think about what I asked in the OP, and look at which anons I was able to simply shoot down, and which anons seemed to disagree with me, but who ended up being in the same space as me. I am you, I love you, have a good one guys.

>>510303584 (OP)
It never had it. Cosmic justice works on longer scales than a single human life, unfortunately.

BUT IT DOES WORK.

>>510312123
a people can be brought to believing in themselves as a nation is what grants 'the mandate of heaven'.
ours did it with delusion, and so we lost it when those delusions were lost.
In terms of God Actual, its likely we never had it, but through belief, we did, because the people worked and raised themselves and the nation as though they did.
jews and masons were instrumental in forming and caretaking that delusion, because they subverted and consolidated control of America's destiny, from the people, to themselves, to a point where people are understanding, more and more, that they do not control the destiny of the nation, and have not controlled the destiny (destination) of the nation for a very longtime.
Which is why jews and masons are the most relevant topics.
As long as these not-the-people groups continue to hold onto power and control, we don't have the mandate of heaven, the people do not command their own destiny (destination).
As far as China goes, they don't have it either, but they might have a functional delusion for now. These large governmental 'country' complexes are an aberration. A nation is a people, and China, like the US, is absorbing other nations of people, and that will have consequences for them later, as it did for the US and by extension of where the US came from the European nations (peoples) that created the US.

>>510303584 (OP)
That fact that people forgotnor even for a second entertained the idea that elite politicians and industry leaders onvolved in government aren't all bound by their crimes, is a sign of delusion. We should know by now that the conspiracy theories we were told to dismiss are true, even if just in principle. Our leaders are old and compromised and have not given up power in decades.

To incriminate one fully, is to incriminate them all -- and we can't have that because then the house of cards falls apart.