Thread 510349202

how do I resolve alcohol dependence?

drinking more

Replace it with phenibut bro. All the benefits, none of the downsides.

Death is quite effective.

>>510349202 (OP)
Jesus Christ.

>>510349202 (OP)
Cut it down a set amount every week. Have someone you report to about progress.
Note all your triggers and do something about putting up barriers between you and drinks. Time and hassle to rethink the decision to drink

>>510349202 (OP)
If you go cold turkey you die, so even though that is a final solution the answer is to taper off with a few beers until eventually you're down to zero beers or one beer a day.

>>510349202 (OP)
Meditation helps too

>>510349202 (OP)
smoke weed

>>510349202 (OP)
Dont losten to therapists, just drink through it.

>>510349202 (OP)
Just stop.

>>510349260
Don't do what this jackass says, it's even worse

>>510349202 (OP)
Detox at a hospital or taper off slowly. I've done it both ways multiple times and I'm pretty ashamed to admit it but get help bro. When I was in the Army, they sent me from Graf to Amberg to detox. It was pretty shitty but it's a good hospital

>>510349351
Yup

>>510349202 (OP)
Anon, unfortunately it takes a lot of time, pain, and suffering. But, I did it about a decade ago and if I can, anyone can. Good luck.

>>510349351
Took me a couple of days of just one more because I just couldn't go to sleep. It was fucking awful but I'm glad I'm off the booze. Shit if fucking gay

>>510349482
Lol not how that works

>>510349202 (OP)
Ketamine

>>510349202 (OP)
idk just drowned 1/3rd of a bottle of gin i had left and had a beer. still 4 beers. left. monday 1pm. Alcohol is based. I fucking hate life. I fucked 2 bitches this weekend. One girl from London, Ontario and another one from Berlin. I live in Berlin fwiws. Every weekend is the same shit. Just emptiness. Drugs, Alcohol and meaningless sex. I am 38 and my ex gf is 26 and I fucking hate her with all my guts. What has life come to? Idk. Alcohol keeps me sane in this world.

>>510349202 (OP)
Don’t be a pussy either quit cold turkey or go all in.
>muh dependence
Shut up faggot.

>>510349202 (OP)
just stop drinking
the results will be immediate

Drinking alcohol excessively ruins:
your looks
your wallet
your physique
your reputation
your complexion
your energy
your sleep
your liver and kidneys
your brain
your digestive system
your ability to concentrate
your judgement and impulse control
your memory
your cars/property
your patience
your ability to attend social events
your relationships
your sex life

>>510349202 (OP)
It's like diabetes, love for life.

>>510349565
>how do i quit alcohol
>do this thing i've done multiple times with no success
kek

If you struggle with making it through the withdrawals and other discomforts but feel you can make it through mentally, Gabapentin. In high doses (at least for me, around 1200mg) will obliterate every hangover symptom I've ever encountered.
If you struggle with self control, Adderall for a short time might help you. I actually have PTSD and ADHD but didn't start adderall until I was 35... Quit drinking the same day. Everyone thought I was an alcoholic (I can't even remember that time frame. I was blackout drunk all but 2-3 days a week) but I've been sober 2 years now. Used to take all kinds of meds, now I just take the low dose of adderall and heart meds. Saved my life.

>>510349307
That does not work for me. I need to be sober or not. Cutting back leads to a binge.

Islam is the Truth of God and will heal your addiction. I invite you to Islam, sincerely, out of compassion for your troubles.

is this the thread

it's over. I relapsed

>>510351221
what are we drinking brudi?

>>510351221

Just because you lose one battle does not mean you lose the war. Try again tomorrow. I believe in you.

I have German ancestry and believe Islam suits the character of the German people. Here is the Shahada. When you are ready to become a Muslim, recite this.

Go to doctor. Benzodiazepines (example diazepam) can help and you might actually need them anyway if quitting while dependent enough on alcohol. There's also naltrexone which can help you not want alcohol as much. Also there is disulfuram that changes how your body processes alcohol so instead of making you feel 'good', it makes you feel violently hungover - that can help you to not drink.

Breaking the psychological need is less straightforward. Hence why you often see those who've quit daily-drinking but when they feel bad or bored they reach for the bottle, or if they drink for a "special occasion" they go too hard, or they start having "special occasions" regularly, and so on.

>>510349202 (OP)
resolve?

>>510349736
Nigga get the fuck out of berlin. Too much drugs around you. I know people that moved there and overdosed of GHB

>>510349285
this

how did OP let it get to this point? ... Jesus

>>510350063
We cant just buy shit like that here. And i doubt any doctor will prescribe it for withdrawals

Just fucking stop. It's that simple.

>>510351905
I've never understood the idea behind a drug that makes hangover inevitable if you do relapse. Similar to that stuff that you can put on your fingernails to make it taste bitter so you stop biting them. Benzo doesn't sound healthy either; why not fuck off with all these drugs to replace another drug addiction and just stop buying alcohol altogether, it's difficult to drink what isn't there.

>>510349744
Retard

>>510351943
>I know people that moved there and overdosed of GHB
yeah well I know those people too and i think i overdosed on it once as well. its fucked up. truly one of the worst drugs in the world.
>>510351943
>Nigga get the fuck out of berlin.
this isnt happening any time soon i fear

>>510349202 (OP)
stop drinking

>>510352126
>this isnt happening any time soon i fear
Why? Youre too old for this shit

Third day here. If you can help it, pour their rest of that booze down the toilet. I'm eating chippies and diet coke rn.

>>510352193
>Why? Youre too old for this shit
no such thing here. i fuck prime early 20s pussy every other week. its addicting, more so than the alcohol and drugs.

I was also heavily dependent on alcohol. I sought help and was even prescribed a drug for a while that makes you ill when you drink alcohol. Since you live in a place with good access to healthcare, I would definitely consider seeing your doctor.
People drink for a reason and that reason has to be tackled, you can't do that however when still drinking.

>>510349202 (OP)

You don't need to.

>>510352247
I mean your organs not your penis

Have conversations with yourself
Ask yourself if this is fun (i imagine it isn't by now, and if it is, maybe just temper the drinking)
Ask yoursef what it is you'd rather be doing, what do you want to accomplish

The first few times you contemplate life it's like a shortcut to depression, but the only way out is through. You cannot go back to the cave, so embrace the light despite the pain

>>510352247
I'm scared of turning 30. You can still fug early 20s?

>>510351221
>relapsed
Nigger this isn't cancer where you can be doing everything right and it just comes back by itself. You either put alcohol into your body or you do not. It's not easy but it is that simple.
Also this is a slide thread and OP isn't coming back but if any of you niggers wants to not drink try eating a half gallon of ice cream all at once. I have yet to meet the man who could put a 6 pack on top of half a gallon of ice cream.

>>510352289
nigggaaaa i am drunk i dont give a shit

>>510349202 (OP)
umm how about try solving it to begin with?

>>510352321
are you retarded or something? the older you get the available pool of whores you can fuck increases lmfao. 30s are your golden age. don't worry about it son.

>>510352305
**Also, if you know you have a few rough sober days ahead, find ways to keep busy to cruise through the hard part

>>510352327
Call the coke taxi while youre at it

>>510352321
In berlin sure beacuse everyone is high out of their minds all the time

>>510352384
no i got my plugs

>>510352305
imagine caring what you think about yourself.

>>510349202 (OP)
>>510351221

>dependence
That's Addiction.
You are addicted to alcohol.
>from your pick you also have tobacco addiction

First step is to admit that you have an addiction.
After that , go learn about addictions.

>>510352477
Is fentanyl coming through already or not at all?

>>510352550
nah still safe here but i heard stories about fent addicts. its just not an issue (yet).

>>510349202 (OP)
go cold turkey but also cut all caffeine, sugar, dope, nicotine, etc.

expect to get preachy to friends about it.

takes about 3 days of minor will power.

Forgot to mention, the benzodiazepines are to help you get off the alcohol. They stop the shaking and manage the anxiety. If you take them long enough (longer than it takes to detox off alcohol) you will need to taper (gradually reduce dose) to get off them as well. But for an alcohol detox, it is rare that you will get that level of benzo dependence.

>>510349202 (OP)
AA if this applies to you
Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Working for me, almost 2 years sober

>>510352499
>see /pol/ tard asking for help
>Do my best, sincere posting like some facefaggot on faceberg
>Get pic of tattoed vomit inducing negroid next to our main holy site
>TFW I did this to myself

>>510352698
Its very manageable i just look like a fucking meth addict thats the problem

Alcohol dependence a symptom, not the cause.

Better your life you fucking bum.

>>510352792
wow jews are racists!!!

>>510352437
Alright I'll go to Berlin, you've convinced me.
>>510352364
I'm a bit retarded but mostly sheltered. I'm just afraid but thanks.

>>510352792
i am just trying to help a fellow jew.

>>510352499
MEEKS NOOOOOOOOOO

>>510352960
>I'm just afraid but thanks.
no need too really. its the best time of your life. 20s are suffering compared to this.

>>510352058
Don't want to drink but keeps drinking -> disulfuram + ethanol -> "I'll never do that again"

Benzos aren't healthy long term, they make (almost) everyone dull after long enough consistently, dose dependent. They are invaluable for alcohol detox, stopping shaking, seizing.

>>510352842
When it becomes unmanageable and it will, come see us. We have all been in this downward progression and know where this leads.
Godspeed German Anon

>>510352882
Ethiopian Jews are exempt from my racisms
>>510352965
All is kosher in love and /pol/
>Pic rel
>Hugs you
>Picks your pockets
>Runs away

>>510353562
when did the board become a jewish hugbox..

>>510349202 (OP)
start sucking cocks instead, since you've decided to become a FAGGOT

>>510349202 (OP)
Drink until your organs start hurting

>>510350063
>dude just take meth
shalom hymie!

>>510353782
Does the liver pushing against your stomach count as hurting?

>>510350116
learn some self control, retard. you have four options:
1. take control of your self and stop being a low self control retard. taper easily at home by keeping track and reducing by 10% each day until sober
2. go to rehab and possibly get put on medication to manage withdrawal symptoms.
3. quit cold turkey and put up with shaking, sweats, and night terrors. possible DTs depending on if you've been drinking for 20 years.
4. keep drinking and accept that fact you will very likely die in your 40s or 50s.

>>510353855
if you can feel it doing that or you can push on it and feel pain yea you're on your way

>>510353698
I never had a German drinking buddy, don't ruin this for me

>>510353858
>1. take control of your self and stop being a low self control retard. taper easily at home by keeping track and reducing by 10% each day until sober
i would choose this OP

>>510354018
kek

>>510354018
i am not here to sway your thoughts, just to have fun.

>>510349202 (OP)
My boomer male doctor would just prescribe me Librium to help get off the booze, but then he retired and they gave me a literal fat bitch Karen doctor who wouldnt do shit for me

>>510354340
>Have fun

>>510349202 (OP)
Non-alcoholic beers help me, especially when on my computer. It helps the urge to drink when I’m still getting a beer taste, almost like fooling my brain.

>>510352660
Why are low end crap memes funny after seeing woke leftist try to make a meme...?

Scientists are still baffled how OP's shit can be do gay and retarded.

>>510356309
Catharsis

Because it's make from poop.

>>510354856
That post was so gay, I just died from ligma balls.

>>510349202 (OP)
Just don't stop drinking, duh

>>510349202 (OP)
Truke answer? You don't. Embrace the chase.

>>510350116
You can do 20% less. Set your booze aside ahead of time and lock the rest up. Or just buy your quota for the day every time.

Assess how much you drink, and just cut out 25%ish every week until you're down once every two or three days

>>510349202 (OP)
Keep trying, I've found cold turkey and then allow a one beer relapse, go to Mass (although frankly Catholicism has only made me more prone to alcoholism, but I'll blame the user not the system for that) and get into a state of grace and take part in the Sacraments. It's a long road, sometimes. Don't cold turkey if you are severely addicted, as this can cause problems. You will want to taper down and be careful around your triggers: what do you tend to be doing when you are drinking or before drinking, etc.

>>510349202 (OP)
Get addicted to weed and coffee and just watch those extra lbs slide off.

>>510349736
Don't go into one of those churches bro, God might be real and me might love you and want you to be the fullness of your potential and life :)

>>510357860
>Don't go into one of those churches bro,
OKKKKKKKK. I thought about it but now i won't.

>>510349202 (OP)
I replaced my alcohol dependence with this non alcoholic brew from Belgium called Delirium Tremens. Now whenever I used to reach for a beer, I just have a Delirium Tremens. I have like 20 a day, its great.

>>510357770
Truth.
They can't drink just one beer on a Friday night.

I want to taste like I am drinking a beer.

>>510357903
Hey man, as long as you are cool, jaded and devoid of hope and meaning just have fun I guess haha.

>>510349657
Yes, it is. If you are serious about stopping, it is that simple. If you drink enough to have that serious of problem, there's a reason. Deal with it or at least stop using booze to do so.
>t. Bottle a day for almost 25 years, haven't had a drop in over 2

>>510358036
Try not to be out started by a goat fucking sand nigger.
Alcohol does harm the fetus it's called still born fetal alcohol syndrome.

Harm. What?

>>510358120
>Bottle a day for almost 25 years
Holy fuck hows theiver looking?

>>510358305
The liver*

>>510358305
No idea. I rarely go to doctors. I may be developing another kidney stone, but it could just be sore abs too. I've lost a lot of weight since I quit dribking and in the past year got actually serious about getting in shape. Could be my liver I guess as I shifted to a pretty high fat and protein diet and it is the right side.

>>510354856
is that okay with you and your frens.

>>510358305
I started at like 12 and always stayed pretty well fed despite morbid obesity until around when I quit drinking. My organs and bloodwork were honestly always pretty good for my weight and lifestyle. Getting in shape just before 40 likely has saved my life even though I smoke a lot of tobacco and weed still.

>>510358294
Think of Greta. Don't be like her.

>>510349202 (OP)
Bitter black tea. In my experience, it helped me a lot. Just try not to add sugar into it.

>>510349202 (OP)
Become elite pedo jew

>>510349981
Actually I'm a firefighter and paramedic, quite easy to fall into with our schedules. I have been sober a while now, only happened once in the fire department and they told me no more. That's what's kept me sober and I'm ok with sticking with it. Before, when I was in the military the drinking culture was far more accepted

>>510349351
pretty much this in my experience

>>510358592
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire

basically if I can make it two nights without drinking, then it's not a problem. problem is once I start I can't stop until I pass out and then I wake up with a terrible hangover that I can only lessen the pain of by drinking again. I learned that my limit is now a 6 pack of beer.

>>510358120
I'm talking about just going cold turkey, I misunderstood you. Yes, once you're safely sober and sticking with it is what you should strive for

>>510349202 (OP)
>how do I stop being a liquid's bitch
I dunno, how 'bout bein' a plant's bitch

>>510358874
You have to be seriously physically addicted for cold turkey to actually have death potential. Weaning is dangerous as you have to still stop eventually. If you really are bad enough you think there's physical risk, you should check into a facility to be monitored for 72 hours while you dry out. That's the actual physical risk window.

>>510349202 (OP)
>how do I resolve alcohol dependence?
eat a low fat diet. eat fibrous starchy foods and non fat dairy.
Learn how to bake yeasty bread and consume it regularly.
All this will fill up your stomach and leave no room for alcohol.
A high fat diet and alcoholism go hand in hand.

>>510359028
I quit cold turkey after a binge that could have potentially cost me yet another job. I felt still drunk and hungover for days, but I also went to like two aa meetings a day for a couple weeks and stuck to them daily for a month, went infrequently for a couple more, and then didn't anymore because it was mostly people there for court other than a couple old timers with actual wisdom. After about a year and a half I started going to the karoke bar again because I like to sing. Go every weekend and have zero temptation to drink

>>510359048
What impresses the most is AIM Breath Control of your firearm.
You really are the top stuff.

>>510359094
I ate mostly carbs when I drank. Protein fills you up and is good for you

>>510349202 (OP)
>how do I resolve alcohol dependence?
Drink sugar instead.

Start doing drugs instead lol

>>510349202 (OP)
you dont. the government says alcohol is good and highly promoted. drink up til you die. should be fine as long as you don't smoke a cigarette

>>510359425
If weed doesn't fuck up your life and booze is there's nothing wrong with smoking weed if it keeps you drom drinking. That's not the own or troll you think it is.

>>510349202 (OP)
pregabalin, next question

>>510359296
I highly doubt that.
Most people eat food like pizza, burgers, fries, hoagies, etc while drinking.
High fat calorie dense food leaves plenty of room for alcohol. And alcohol lowers inhibition which leads to the over consumption of high calorie high fat foods because they are addictive.
I have never heard of alcohol drinkers binging on plain baked potatoes, plain pasta in tomato sauce, beans, or plain bread.

>>510349202 (OP)
don't buy it

>>510349202 (OP)
Get a big round beer belly and post a picture of yourself rubbing it and moaning.
Then we'll go from there

>>510359799
Ketotard lardass

>>510349202 (OP)
Simple. Stop drinking. Problem solved. Next. No, I
'm not joking, you stupid cunt. Stop drinking. That's all. That's the way. There is no other.

>>510352499
I bet jews didn't even build that shit.

>>510359756
Pizza is high fat, but a lot more carbs than anything else, same for pretty much any fried bar food. I ate shitloads of fries, pasta, burritos filled with beans, etc. I think you're confusing what fats and carbs are. Alcohol itself is pure carbs. If you eat a lot of actual fat, you won't have the ability to eat more without feeling sick. People who actually drink heavy rarely eat when they're drunk anyway. They eat when hungover.

>>510359492
Nothing makes me crave a ice cold beer more than a cottonmouth

>>510360027
Still not free range food.

I quit cold turkey because I was getting alcoholic neuropathy. Which is bullshit because I don't even drink enough to get a single withdrawal symptom. Everybody is always worried about their liver but neuropathy is way more common.

>>510360035
I certainly miss the taste of a decent beer, but I'm not going to risk it either. I don't really get cottonmouth anymore because I have such a high tolerance

>>510360141
White wine it's what you drink because your wife is a bitch?

replace with kratom, at least you will be functional

>>510352321
I'm 34 and have chicks all the way from Jr. High to boomer-age giving me fuck-me eyes. 30's - 40's (if you've maintained yourself) are a dude's prime my brother.

>>510360141
I did have a lot of nerve tingling that went away after quitting. Heavy sweating too

>>510360124
Why is western anime so god-embarassingly ugly and repulsive? Why are westoids too stupid to properly draw a simple human person? Are their brains too small?

What was the budget again?

>>510359492
That's what I'm saying. If OP would switch to some "light" drugs instead, like shrooms or weed, his addiction might disappear or just get a new, healthier one. I've heard some stories.

>>510360314
It's an adult swim show pre Rick and morty. It's meant to be as cheap as possible. They're intentionally hillbilly squids so they could shit on southern whites. It was actually funny until they fired the main voice actor. It rode the line of insulting actual white trash while avoiding insulting the south too much in general although that changed.

>>510360464
Wow, a memeflaggot kike deploying the latest smuggies in the wild!

>>510357951
So I'm curious, bro, do you think that will eventually think you'll want to say well maybe I can have a real one now and then and then falling back in. Though the name should be with reminder lol

>>510360027
Food in the stomach is a slurry of everything you've eaten and if there is a lot of fat in it, the body treats all of it like fat. This means blood sugar won't spike and satiety will be delayed, which means you'll be able to gorge on food until you feel sick.

>>510360578
Nigger, I've gone from a 48 to 30 bmi in 24 months, I have the lived experience to know what works.

>>510360314
>Why is western anime so god-embarassingly ugly?

Now make it woke.
We can afford Morgan Freeman the best we can do is Morgan Freeman.
Hello you back wood crackers.

Anon...I

>>510360464
Shrooms and weed turn men into /pol/-tier schizo retards. Once they realize it and stop with that shit, they go back to alcohol. Back to square one, with one or two mental disabilities more.

>>510360640
>make it woke.
>We cant afford Morgan Freeman the best we can do is Morgan Tracy.

>>510360635
wow you are fat.
I'm a lot thinner than you are.
I will stick to my own beliefs, tyvm.

>>510360517
>Wow, a memeflaggot kike deploying the latest smuggies in the wild!

>>510359232
Good shit man, glad to hear. I'm still trying to figure out what works for me to stay sober, I don't do well with meetings and as fucked up as this may sound, I can't stand all the whining that goes on sometimes. I know, I know, it just bothers the shit out of me. So yeah, I'm thinking about finding a veterans group, but there's also a ton of Stolen Valor in those groups and whiney POGs who never saw combat and shit

>>510360781
Exactly, you've never even been there so you have no idea what actually works and should shut up spouting off like you know what will help someone lose weight or quit drinking

>>510349202 (OP)
>how do I resolve alcohol dependence?
alcohol is ultimately your body's escapism from other things, you can very easily quit it if you find a new dependence that flushes you with chemicals. This doesn't have to be a substance that you consume, but it can be an activity - like riding motorbikes, or shooting guns competitively, or anything else that a guy would normally associate with "a feeling as intense as sex, or even better"

so find a new hobby that's intense, and alcohol by itself will begin to turn into a fading memory

>>510360798
I also couldn't stand the whining and people trying to use it as therapy. The focus is to stop drinking. Dealing with why is for outside of aa. If you potentially have ptsd, that may be the cause of your issues to begin with. I do, but it isn't from a stressful job like you might, I had a very shitty childhood that would have made most off themselves way before now.

>>510360793
Yeah, It was clearly appropriating black culture.

>>510360035
Choice beer for alcoholics, well the 6% version. Cheap as shit.

If you choose to go the tapering-off method, make your car keys inaccessible as much as possible when you're drinking.
Ask a roommate or neighbor you trust to hold onto them for the night before you even start drinking.
And get a bike if you don't already have one.
The brain can do strange things when it doesn't get the alcohol it craves, like deciding to drive drunk for that one extra beer, but the hassle of having to deal with the aftermath of a DUI conviction is enough stress to make you want to drink.

>>510349202 (OP)
you have to resolve whatever it is that is making you want to self-medicate. Be honest with yourself and actually sit with that discomfort and process it instead of soothing with alcohol in the moment.

>>510361361
>pilsner
I liked porters and stouts. Guinness is shit though, at least what they import here. I usually just drank beam until I had a kidney stone and switched to beer

>>510349351
pretty much this.
you will die in tormenting pain if you stop when dependent.
slowly reduce the dosage each day or seek treatment but that costs quite a bit.

>>510360849
Staying slim is not easy. I can't eat any tasty fatty food. You name it, I can't eat it.

>>510361610
And I'm telling you when you're morbidly obese it's because you consume way too many carbs. Fat, particularly from animal sources coupled with protein and exercise will have you too full to overeat.

>>510361369
>And get a bike if you don't already have one

>>510361598
topkek

Nigger stole my bike..

>>510349202 (OP)
you have to have a strong motivation. for me it was realizing that the people i thought were my friends were all douchebags and alcohol made me have brainfog which made me tolerate them which then resulted in being unhappy every day. imagine hanging out with your "friends" only to be angry and depressed every time you come home because they are pieces of shit. so i just quit drinking and haven't regretted it. as a man you have to be able to drop bad habits and people at the blink of an eye if they are poison to you

>>510349736
> I am 38 and my ex gf is 26 and I fucking hate her with all my guts.
why are you even talking about your ex?
she's gone. done. why are you even thinking about your ex?
like wtf?
learn to cut ties FOREVER.

>>510349202 (OP)
Just stop

>>510360972
Certain vet groups like I said are just as bad. Trying to find one run by guys I know are legit

>>510349800
>guy quit drinking and discovered that camera has a zoom setting that can make him look less hideous
many such cases

>>510361464
Lol that's just a leftover shit beer bottle I found from when I moved back. We just grabbed whatever off the shelf from Nettos or dl or PX

>>510349202 (OP)
LISTEN CAREFULLY GERMBRO.

THIS TECHNIQUE WORKED FOR ME. I DITCHED A PEPSI MAX HABIT (4 CANS A DAY FOR 7 YEARS) AFTER JUST ONE GO. PAY ATTENTION AND TRY IT OUT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MB0OfYnhco

Pizza Auto-Hypnosis Technique for Managing Habits

1. Choose a Habit: Pick a behavior to increase (e.g., exercising) or decrease (e.g., smoking).

2. Rate the Habit: Assign a value from -10 (dislike, want to start) to +10 (enjoy, want to stop).

3. List Attributes: Note specific qualities of the habit at its current rating (e.g., pizza at +8: sun-dried tomatoes, warm heat, melty cheese).
4. Visualize Adjustment: Imagine slight changes to make it less appealing (bad habit) or more appealing (good habit), shifting toward +8 or -8. Feel it for 30 seconds.

5. Gradual Shift: Adjust attributes step-by-step (e.g., +8 to +6) to reach +10 or -10, pausing briefly each time.

6. Reach the Extreme: Picture the habit as fully desirable (+10) or undesirable (-10), e.g., rotten pizza or exciting gym.

7. Anchor the Feeling: Spend 1–2 minutes feeling the intense emotion (revulsion or joy) tied to the habit’s real appearance.

8. Complete the Process: Done! Repeat if needed.

Steps:
-10
-7
-3
3
7
10

It sounds retarded and sensational, but it worked.

>>510361361
anything less than Heineken will either give you gas, a headache, or hell knows what

>>510349260
Lol. This is Krocodil level shit

>>510349202 (OP)
No one gives liver transplants to alcoholics. Half-sister died this way.

>>510361963
AA is the same. I was lucky and grew up around friends who had parents that were counselors at one of the biggest rehab places in the country. Groups I actually went to with sincerity instead of just being a teenager they were guiding without judgement are very different. The aa group I went to collected a tranny that went just to make people acknowledge their tranny status.

>>510349202 (OP)
Search for serious professional help if you have the means.

It is a literal drug, a chemical that abuses and extorts the otherwise wonderful and sophisticated mechanisms in your brain. We are not meant to drink this stuff, so don't feel bad that you find it hard. Society and greed have failed you, not you. Seek medical help; it is a medical problem. We are taught to deal with this, and it's a whole science. So seek the professionals and have some trust in them.

Also, you miss every chance you don't take. Be proud of yourself for even trying.

You have our support, most likely racist and islamophobic anon! <3

>>510349202 (OP)
Get some bitch to pay for your booze.

>>510362355
sorry to hear that mate, but all long term heavy drinkers need to know this. also, be honest with them if you're in the hospital for it, they know already why you're there.

>>510361694
mm nope. You will destroy your gallbladder eating like that. Not fun.

Refrain from ethanol consumption.
Everything else is cope with extra steps

>>510349202 (OP)
Kill yourself for being a weak loser

>>510361963
Also, try some generalized ptsd groups if that is your issue and not just vet groups. You'd be surprised the thought processes and emotions you have in common with someone who was sexually abused as a child over someone pretending they were in combat. I always got along well with combat vets for some reason regardless of generation.

>>510349260
Where do I get phenibut? I have to buy it from drug dealers?

>>510362729
You have to still drink water and eat some carbs. I'm not suggesting full keto or Atkins, I'm saying eat beef and potates with some cheese instead of processed fast food more often.

>>510351221
This goes for you too!

Search for serious professional help if you have the means.

It is a literal drug, a chemical that abuses and extorts the otherwise wonderful and sophisticated mechanisms in your brain. We are not meant to drink this stuff, so don't feel bad that you find it hard. Society and greed have failed you, not you. Seek medical help; it is a medical problem. We are taught to deal with this, and it's a whole science. So seek the professionals and have some trust in them.

IT. IS. AN. ADDICTION
It's not a matter of discipline or will power, thats the first thing you are tought regarding addicrion in medical school. There will be ups and downs.

Surround yourself by some good people. Go to a mosque if you have to. It helps to get other perspectives and ideologies that have been developing for CENTURIES.

Also, you miss every chance you don't take. Be proud of yourself for even trying.

You have our support, most likely racist and islamophobic anon! <3

>>510352075
Agreed

>>510349202 (OP)
I'm camping with extended family for a week. Been nursing a yuge bottle of Proper 12 the whole time. Day or night.

>>510349202 (OP)
>how do I resolve alcohol dependence?
do a couple of weeks in an inpatient facility to get over the withdrawals.
they'll monitor you and give you meds.
going cold turkey can cause seizures.
then when you get out, go to recovery meetings for a year or two to meet sober people and work on putting your life back together.

>>510349202 (OP)
kick a poo indian, works wonders

>>510349260
Stop mentioning this shit everywhere we're gonna have retards taking it and dying and it'll be ruined for everyone.

>>510349736
>drug binging at 38

Sounds rough.

>>510349202 (OP)
Stop buying it
Quitting is as simple as not having it within arms reach

How well does Naltrexone work for alcohol addiction?

>>510363908
I actually kept a bottle in the cupboard for months after quitting. Knowing it was there but out of sight actually helped me.

>>510349202 (OP)
Just do t drink, it's easy.

Just quit.
I did fifteen years ago. It’s fucking easy. You just stop.
If you can’t control your own impulses when you are stone cold sober you are literally a nigger.

I used to be terribly addicted to alcohol. I wound up in the hospital above a .40 at least 3 times that I remember. I would start drinking at 11AM, pass out around 3PM and do it all over again until I passed out again around 10PM. I drank at least a 1/5 to a half gallon a day for 10ish years and was only sober when I was in rehab.

Mushrooms became decriminalized where I lived and I thought myself how to grow them. I took 1.5 to 3G's for a week straight. I have not touched booze since. I'm not a hippy or a faggot. This shit is the only thing that ever worked for me for longer than a few months. If you are hopeless, please give this a try.

Hol' up
This might have repercussions yo
Unforeseen consequences and shit

If a German stops drinking, Is he still a German?

>>510364420
>Shroomanon is healing

>>510364440
>if a German stops driving is he still German?
No

Is this the thread?

>just poured another vodka coke over ice
>gonna whap on the balcony grill and yell at women down at street level walking by that they have a nice fucking ass
WHAT A LIFE

>>510362355
They do but you have to proof you havent touched it in 6 months and then its often too late

>>510364440

If you stop shitposting, will you die?

>>510349800
if the mother was drinking during pregnancy, i'm pretty sure the damage is irreversible regardless of how much you drink or not. stop coping

>>510364420
Tell me more please. I can only get some chocolate shroom shit and im not 100% sure it isnt synthetic

>>510349202 (OP)
>go to take a drink from the fridge
>now that you have fulfilled your desire, put the drink back into the fridge
it's like magic.

>>510352266
>that reason has to be tackled
ago ahead and bitch to a shrink about your problems, all your problems will vanish in an instant

Master the Alchemical Arts

>>510352247
>i fuck prime early 20s pussy every other week
>still addicted to alcohol.
i don't get it, you must be autistic

>>510363977
This is what I did too , for as long as I had the urge , finally threw it away 25 years ago.

>>510349736
You need to start killing Jews , it’s in our DNA

>>510350389
Religion helps , put your load on God

>>510349736
You're clearly insane.

But Jesus Christ is God and he can save you, from your life of nihilistic and meaningless degeneracy.

Call upon him and then take it one moment at a time.

>>510365383
Ik suggereer niet dat het zo simpel is kk aap.

>>510366887
english pls?

>>510349202 (OP)
Switch to weed, problem solved.

>>510367424
What if weed makes me uneasy and paranoid?

stop drinking

>>510351739
>massenger
okay

>>510349202 (OP)
Quit drinking

>>510365108
>ExistentialCrisis.exe

>>510352032
Benzodiazepines for withdrawal (max two weeks, it's highly addictive). Vitamin injections, magnesium. That's how withdrawal is treated in detox, usually. Its possible to get delirium tremens after a few days of abstinence though. If you get first symptoms go to doctor immediately. It can be treated on earlier stages. Later stages higher risk of death.
Good luck.

>>510368428
use super tiny doses, edibles make it easier

Weed

>>510368428
that's normal in a world shit up with smartphones and immigrants
weed faggots are delusional, how the heck can you smoke in the last decade is beyond me (although having been a seasoned weed smoker I can't say I don't understand... it's inertia... weed inertia is worse than alcohol inertia IMHO but both are better than cigarette inertia)

>>510369207
Im a beer drinker i wont die if i just stop. Neither get the shakes but i would describe it as extreme boredom

I drank neat liquor every night for years. If you fall into 50ft hole don't expect to jump 50ft out.

Let me tell you a story anon.

The North Wind and the Sun had a quarrel about which of them was the stronger. While they were disputing with much heat and bluster, a Traveler passed along the road wrapped in a cloak.

"Let us agree," said the Sun, "that he is the stronger who can strip that Traveler of his cloak."

"Very well," growled the North Wind, and at once sent a cold, howling blast against the Traveler.

With the first gust of wind the ends of the cloak whipped about the Traveler's body. But he immediately wrapped it closely around him, and the harder the Wind blew, the tighter he held it to him. The North Wind tore angrily at the cloak, but all his efforts were in vain.

Then the Sun began to shine. At first his beams were gentle, and in the pleasant warmth after the bitter cold of the North Wind, the Traveler unfastened his cloak and let it hang loosely from his shoulders. The Sun's rays grew warmer and warmer. The man took off his cap and mopped his brow. At last he became so heated that he pulled off his cloak, and, to escape the blazing sunshine, threw himself down in the welcome shade of a tree by the roadside.

Be the sun, not the wind. If you haven't already, switch out some of your liquor for beer or wine and taper. Don't pour it all down the drain, don't swear it off forever, all that drama is feminine thinking which is what alcohol promotes. Do it in an even keeled, surehanded way and you'll take care of it.

tl;dr you have to stop, but being hard on yourself won't work and is probably why you started anyway

Come to Norway, pay me 500 euro and I will lock you in my basement and feed you oatmeal and water for a week and for 500 euro more I will follow you around and kick the shit out of you if you as much as mention alcohol or use mouthwash for another week.

>>510349202 (OP)
Find a reason to exist.
Harder than it sounds.

Alternatively go to prison for about 3 months, know plenty of junkies who got straight there.

>>510349202 (OP)
By not being a faggot. Imagine getting addicted to alcohol instead of moderate consumption. I bet you are half brown.

>>510371845
Based and keked

>>510372048
Get interested in something that you can be known for. If it's art, you better have an insane blue collar work ethic towards it. Drink when you have success.

>>510349202 (OP)
Complete stop by any means necessary.

Be willing to lose your job, your family, your dignity, your money, whtever it takes. It most likely will not cost you all those, but you need to have the mindset of being willing to lose it all, else you wont stop. Its similar to weight loss through fasting. You have to cut yourself off any food and temptation, starve yourself from it a bit, get weak, feel like shit, then eventually youll start feeling better, eventually youll start feeling able to try being normal, evetually you will rebuild your life while sober and maintaining it sober will be easier and easier.

>>510372499
>anon if you drink you can't support people who steal your income in form of taxes rub their cock in your face... also you won't munch your disgusting wive's shriveled stinking cunt with the appropriate motivation!
I agree with you and the methods you recommended Orthodoxanon, but please just dial it down a notch.

>>510349202 (OP)
You stop drinking. It's not that hard.

>>510372499
> youll start feeling able to try being normal
Wow there burger. Look at the flag. You don't want German normal. You have to be more specific.

>>510373022
Lol, what? I wasnt being hyperbolic, outside the fasting metaphor. If you cant just stop, you have a problem stopping. If your problem is stopping, then you have a will problem. If you have a will problem, then you need to ratchet up your willingness. You do that by prioritizing it higher and higher till you do it. For very bad off cases that often means willing to lose everything they have in order to rebuild.

>>510373299
Normal as in not an alcoholic. Not dependant on alcohol. Its literal to OPs question.

Never drink a single drop, bros.
The shit is the Devil himself in the liquid form.
Today I've remembered that back on Friday while drinking at work I groped an older collegaue. Caressed and complemented her hair too. Got my fingers under the bra straps and jiggled her tits around also (she's very gifted). She's old enough to be my mom. I kept avoiding her the entire day. But I can't keep this up any longer. Tomorrow is going to be a hard day. I'm cringing just by thinking about meeting her even though she seemingly liked that.

>>510373103
works only for some anons
that's how I quit cigarettes
just decided not to smoke anymore, coughed for 2 weeks, happy ever since... heck I even buy a pack 2-3 times a year to enjoy on special occasions in which I have to have the endurance to drink for two days straight... but no more pack-a-day

>>510373486
see >>510373657
what people can "just stop" varies from person to person

>>510349202 (OP)
Fasting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DghrZNUP5vo

>>510349285
Tried that. Went into withdrawal, had seizures, and then died. Jesus was not very effective.

>>510349202 (OP)
You could risk it on Ozempic. Not even shilling but other anons have said it worked for them.

>>510373733
No. It only seems that way for someone dealing with it. Once a person gets sober, they all say the same thing, its a choice.

>>510349202 (OP)
Naltrexone

>>510373826
>died yet posts
I think Jesus was very effective

maybe ask St. Mattheus (the guy who got chosen in the place of Judas... by drawing of lots) to pray for you

Simply stop drinking. Your problem can be solved by doing nothing

>>510349202 (OP)
Just don't drink.

>>510363911
It's amazing after you get past the first 3 days of withdrawals

>>510374026
it's a choice, just like gender, eh? /s
seriously, I don't debate that if OP didn't try to just quit, he shouldn't try
I'm only saying that you should not fall into the hammer trap ("if the only tool you have is a hammer, everything seems like a nail")

>>510349202 (OP)
Use your higher power...your brain.

>>510349736
That was literally my life. Ended up in rehab eventually. I'll spare you the story I still hate life but I'm a success at it now and I crave pwning society like you wouldn't believe. Nothing gets me harder than everyone looking at me wishing they were me. Nothing.

>>510373573
stop being a faggot, give her the dick

>>510349202 (OP)
get a less destructive addiction

>>510373828
I could believe it, Im not personally familiar with other drugs outside of dabbling, but alcohol and its dependancy is very much like fatties and food addiction. Lots of times the go hand in hand. Many times alcoholics will get sober and replce it with food. The cures for both are nearly the same. Fast. Stop. Workout. Detox your liver. Everything else is just tricks and helpers to do that. Ozempic doesnt even make you lose weight, just makes it easier to stop eating. Likewise any drugs to help with alcohol dependance wont free you from it, but may make it easier to stop long enough to rebuild healthy/sober habits.

>>510373573
put it on tiktok anon and you'll be the hero of grannyfucker zoomers worldwide anon

>>510374537
Literally this. If he has the willpower to go coldturkey it's the best solution. Obviously it's easier said than done, and drugs of anykind is a risk/reward scenario.
Personally, if alcohol is literally ruining his life than drugs might be worth the risk, but it's only a temporary solution.

>>510374353
>>510374562
She's married, has 3 kids. Ugly but the tits are huge.
I've got no game, anon. It's the booze, not me. I'm a virgin. Sober me is extremely boring.

>>510374189
What you do is a choice. Who you are born as is not. You are a man, because you were born as a man. You choose to act like a woman, that does not make you a woman. Im probably one of the most liberal on this board about trannies too. I literally dont care about them. Pretending to be a girl may be innocently what you like to do or more perversely your sexual fetish, or both, I literally dont care. I just dont like the lying to kids, and making everyone, kids and adults, play your games. Being an alcoholic may or may not be genetic or "who you are" but likewise choosing to drink is a choice. Sorry but god births no one perfect. Everyone struggles with their wants squaring with what they do. Some wants are harder to ignore then others wants, some have easier times with some things than others. Thats life.

>>510375111
Are you the "girls haven't been invented yet" fluffy tail Russian poster?

>>510375304
No idea what you're talking about so I guess I'm not.

Its not that bad faggot, 80% at least of you here drink either alone to stave off and silence the thoughts of regrets and lost time that keeps you up when you're trying to sleep or self medicate to control the anxiety you face socially from not being a normalfaggot. You will never cure your social anxiety and if alcohol remains your constant friend to deal with that, many a man has lived and died full lifetimes doing this.
The only kind of drinking that is a danger to you is habitual daily drinking when you are completely alone and NEET. Thats an easy fix tho, just make some tea or drink coffee.
Its kind of funny because the supreme autismo doesnt drink an ounce of alcohol for whatever reason, but a lot of them have also been medicated on prescribed amphetamines for whatever made up malady like ADHD. If you drink as a 4chan autist you are essentially a failed normalfag, which is to say a world exists where you can socially function and hide your powerlevel unlike TRUE 4ch autists.

The fact is, drinker anon is the only one who walks between both worlds, he is the ascended. Never use the drink to drown out the voice of God. You are ignoring him and thats why you feel so bad. Stop drinking alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzqQst-Sg

Otherwise alcohol is the bridge that facilitates your connection between the autist and normalfaggot world. Like a liquid bridge baby. Kojima probably understands.
Only the entropic drinking is a danger to you and should be avoided at all cost.
/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAm4nHFOir

When your boozing throws you back to youtube videos and the chan instead of working on that Hearts of Iron playthrough, that is when you know satan is at work.

>>510375111
I'm in the same boat man, truthfully I'm a 32 year khv. I was busting your balls. there's a coworker who's roughly my age but has like five kids and her ex boyfriend is in jail don't feel like getting involved with that and I've never slung dick so I haven't bothered

>>510375264
>wall of text
so that was a choice too huh
just like my choice to tl;dr

>>510349470
This. Weed is a good alternative

>>510349202 (OP)
we all need vices bro. Just try to not drink every single day.

>>510375031
>>510374537
Retards, do not do this. People with actual alcoholism can and will die of delirium tremens in the opening stages of trying to go cold turkey.
Got to a hospital or a doctor and figure out a treatment plan so they can keep you hydrated and tapered off the sauce through DT, then you can cold turkey the rest of it.

>>510375513
>completely alone and NEET. Thats an easy fix tho, just make some tea or drink coffee
I found that when you get to three STRONG coffees a day is the moment you can probably grab a couple of Heinekens because it would be a safer reset than to continue on like that
1-2 resets a month, via alcohol, to 1-2 coffees a day, is acceptable IMHO

>>510349202 (OP)
drink less alcohol

>>510375581
tldr: ywnbaw (pic rel)

>>510375513
>alcohol is the bridge that facilitates your connection between the autist and normalfaggot world
Oh god that's too close for confort. I'm a normie while drunk but then the next day you have to deal with the consequences of being unnaturally extraverted. People I usually never talk to behave like we're friends, cringy messages on my phone, people mentioning stuff I don't remember telling them. Going to work the next day after you drank on the job is like walking on a mine field.

>>510349202 (OP)
drink a glass of water whenever you feel like alcohol.

>>510375825
joke's on you because I actually read swissanon's post longer than your slop

>>510375856
that's for cigarettes anon
but nice try, A for Aeffort

>>510375545
We're the same age lol.
When did it go so wrong.

>>510375737
My suggestion, was meant for post initial withdrawals or for those without those symptoms. If you detox for 1 month but dont continue with some mindset or assistance to stay "fasted" off alcohol, you will 100% start drinking again and return to the same state if not worse.

>>510349202 (OP)
Drink all of the alcohol, until there is nothing left.

>>510375737
To die of delirium you would have to abrubtly stop after drinking non stop for like 3 weeks at least. And then you would have to be locked in your house or something sopeople wouldn't call an ambulance to save your felirous arse digging the ground with your fingernails because your schoolmate Valera got sucked into the concrete and calls you for help.

There’s a lot of good info in this thread so I guess I’ll reiterate

Benzos for a couple days to get past the withdrawal preferably in a hospital setting .

Naltrexone to help with cravings it really works.


And most importantly Jesus prayer can help give you the strength to quit it helped me. I’m a year and a half sober from a twenty year drinking habit.

>>510349202 (OP)
Berberine maybe, i was drinking daily over long periods months to a couple of years. and weirdly i was always able to quite whenever i want, the only thing i suspected is berberine since i take it daily religiously for almost 10 years now. or maybe im just like that. it might just be my natural neurochemistry—some people are simply less prone to alcohol dependency. But the consistency is striking enough that I wonder if berberine might offer some neurochemical protection against addictive processes

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7194034/

>>510376098
I stayed sober for three months because I've decided so. Got blackout drunk the day the three months have passed. How am I still not fired is a mystery.

>>510376222
reminds me that when pic rel (most famous modern day moonshiner, probably the last one too) got jailed the second time, he killed himself for not being able to drink
and if anybody should be allowed to drink it's somebody dedicating his life to it
he was 62, rest in peace pops!

carry a metal teaspoon with you. Before you have a drink pour out one teapoon and throw it away. Every day that passes pour out one more teaspoon before you have a drink. Mark the days with tally marks to keep track of how many teaspoon to pour out. it looks fucking stupid but it will also get you laid if you're not a rizzcel.

>>510376445
How can someone be the last moonshiner? There are very little requirements and equipment which makes you one. Anyone can throw some sugar into a tin and let it ferment, then distill it.

>>510376578
people today lack the dedication to a single purpose
you should check out his books though, he wrote more than one
>Anyone can throw some sugar into a tin and let it ferment, then distill it.
the USA is a lot more populated than Mother Russia
read his books

>>510375513
wtf both my links got nigged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpzqQst-Sg8&list=RDlpzqQst-Sg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAm4nHFOir0&list=RDBAm4nHFOir0

they're thematically important to the post

>>510376792
thanks anon haven't seen either yet but love the thumbnail & titles

>>510376792
I want to take a shit in your house

>>510349202 (OP)
Stop drinking

>>510351905
>Benzo

quitting Heroin is easier I've heard

>>510349470
This. I started smoking a lot of weed and i dont even have the urge to drink anymore. Maybe took a week. Weed habit is 10x more manageable

>>510377167
in russia there was a thing where people quit heroin using alcohol in hospitals
quitting alcohol using benzos sounds pretty fuckin grim compared to that

>>510361598
the health of the people is definitely related to politics, it's just on the ground rather than on a screen

>>510377205
It's easier to hide drinking rather than smoking I think. Having a swig of booze takes 3 seconds. Smoking a joint takes 5 minutes

>>510376922
I actually yelled from my balcony at a woman walking on the street below "I wanna eat dat ass!" (in english like a looksmaximus impression), and I was a little surprised that she even heard me but she looked back, smirked, then kept walking just a little bit more salaciously than before.
I feel like this is what life is all about.
(P/S: Its the idea of eating ass like Al Pacino in Heat. Actually eating ass is gay.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCZcFFKS-Qk

>>510377453
smoking a joint stinks up everything like in a 150m perimeter (compared to 50m for cigarettes)
if someone wants to find you they will find you

>>510375843
what line of work are you in that you can get away with drinking on the job? if you're worried it could identify you pls ignore, just curious is all

>>510377879
I'm the head of a small department at a metal working factory. Booze makes me talkative which helps with being the boss.

>>510378015
>booze lowers iq and thus makes you "more sociable" with low iq people
many such cases
also the reason why it helps with women