why did it fail?

>>510363020 (OP)
they betted for a checkoslovakia invasion situation, it was worth it because if it worked it would have ended everything in a few days.

>>510363334
>checkoslovakia invasion
what i mean is they didnt planned to fight a full blown war in kiev, thats why it all collapsed with the first serious resistance

>>510363020 (OP)
the goal is to kill off the Christians in Ukraine to make it a second israel after israel itself is turned into a big sheet of glass.
You guys are so fucking stupid. You listen to their lies and tell yourself that their actions which don't match their words is because they're stupid like yourselves.
No wonder the kikes call you "goyim" or cattle. You're idiots.

>>510363428
corrupt intel kept telling Putin that russkies will be welcomed in Kiev and resistance will be minimal
because that's what Putin wanted to hear
that's how russia and generally the east works
you never tell the emperor bad news

poor logistics.
ran out of fuel.
then they ran out of food.
hoholinos were getting live Intel about vatnik movements.
hoholinos were camping in the nearby forests.
vatniks got clapped by hoholino artillery.

It didn't fail they literally breached kiev and zelensky couldn't do anything.

They didn't hold it because that would be playing into NATO hands. They WANT to turn this war into an insurgency. So the russians just drew sensible defensive lines and meat grindered the hohols. Which seems to be the right move since ukraine is losing

>>510363548
Putin was expecting an anschluss situation

>>510363984
>playing into NATO hands
gloved or ungloved?

>>510363020 (OP)
It didn't fail. It was a diversion. Worked perfectly.

>>510363020 (OP)
Supreme overconfidence because of how easily they took Crimea and Donbas.
Without a doubt they were influenced as well at the collapse of the Afghani government, in their minds if they could take Kyiv then the rest of the country would fall.

>>510363020 (OP)
Their own commanders didn't believe it was going to happen until the day of, they half assed all their prep orders because they thought it was just a prank

>>510363020 (OP)
This video is a pretty good explanation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNphI-6tkSY&t=246s

>>510364084
that means he was out of touch retard.

>>510364118
This is complete cope
They wanted the whole nation, had the Ukranian president who fled to Russia after Euromaiden lined up to set up shop in Kyiv as their next Belarus.
When they lost they simply went for more limited goals of clay grabbing.

>>510364172
Absolute clown tier leadership

>>510363509
You are the dumbest black gorilla nigger.

>>510364228
I never said he wasn't

It was all a feint o algo

>>510363509
slavics all worship jews for some reason. I think it's because they were ruled by them for 80 years

>>510364228
I'm agreeing with you you stupid pole

>>510364372
bold words coming from a memeflag

>>510363020 (OP)
There was never an actual plan to capture Kiev. It was a typical case of maskirovka. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_deception

>>510363020 (OP)
Asking outside of ugh and chug: is anything significant happening anymore, or is it more like a holding pattern until the inevitable ceasefire and treaty? Seems like I've heard very little about advances this year in either direction, much more rumors of peace. Why risk lives on either side when peace is a near possibility?

>>510363984
>umm actually the push for kiev was a stunning russian success
certifiably mentally disabled

>>510364858
They literally reached the ukrainian capital first weeks of the war lol

How is that not a show of superiority

>>510364790
The new meta is trench warfare and long-range drone strikes, with the occasional Russian meatwave here and there.

>>510363020 (OP)
Putin chickened out. He always does mind you.

>>510364953
isn't Kyiv an hours drive from the border?

>>510363020 (OP)
1) The people in charge of the initial invasion were incompetent, they were replaced by better ones after
2) some of the leadership (including Putin) must have sincerely believed in the "Ukraine doesn't exist except as the name of an administrative subdivision of Russia" slop they were feeding to vatniks, and thought they might as well try a fast sweep in case of mass pro-Russian sentiment
3) they underestimated the Ukrainian military which had been building up since the Russian annexation of Crimea
4) Afghanistan fell just six months before at the first sight of Taliban fighters
Russians pulled out very fast, allowing the most delusional to pretend it was all a ruse from the start.

>>510365161
PACO

>>510365248
>pulled out very fast
Hehe

>>510363020 (OP)
Also back then the Russian were severely outnumbered yet advanced very fast all over the map.
Today the Russian army outnumbers the Ukrainian one but can't advance more than 100 meters per day.
It doesn't make sense.

>>510363020 (OP)
can't genocide hrukrainians if you win after 3 days

>>510363984
>They didn't hold it because that would be playing into NATO hands
So why did they try to take it in the first place?

>>510365461
they had a fuckton of equipment, their soviet stockpiles were full to the brim, all thats gone now, its just motorbikes and lada's

The point was to force them to agree to a deal. They did in Istanbul before Boris Johnson and the neocons fucked it up.

>>510364953
>if you disregard everything that happened later it was actually a huge success
the war didn't end the first week, they were routed entirely back behind the border and lost many elite veteran units in the process.
the objective was the capture of kiev so that the government could be replaced with one aligned with russia, and they failed.

>>510363020 (OP)

>>510365240
yes and they got destroyed on the way it became their own highway of death
i dont understand why the shills are making up this bullshit now as if "rushia took kiev" when its not that long ago everybody still remembers how it went, we were following it real time, and its easy to check

i think maybe they are counting on zoomers who have social media addled brains that cant remember what happened even 2 weeks ago
because otherwise such blatant ridiculous lies dont make any sense

>>510363984
>They didn't hold it because that would be playing into NATO hands
thousands of russoids died for this feint
VDV got genocided for it
masterful gambit, sir

Lots of zigger cope ITT

>>510365717
They thought ukranians were rational actors

But zelensky is a jew who doesn't care if he gets every last ukranian killed

>>510365914
>capture of kiev
Again this would only turn this war into a insurgency. USA wanted to turn this into Vietnam/Afghanistan

Instead they got meat grindered at the borders much to NATO seething

>>510366109
>ukranian reporting

yeah yeah and the ghost of kiev destroyed the russian air force

>>510365914
>capture of kiev
Russia didn't come into the war with even a million men across the entire front and it was going to take a city of 2 million. Are you retarded or is this the latest NAFO cope to invent battle then invent defeats?

>>510366176
>my country is full of leeches who are sending money back, hate my country and are screwing the locals over for jobs
You are proud of this?

>>510363020 (OP)
They relied on their enemies reaction instead of their own forces. They thought Zelensky would just surrender or run away and counted on that.

>>510364372
and for much longer poland was literally called the "refuge of jews" during middle ages when everyone else was expelling them poland was welcoming them with open arms
there indeed has always been weird relationship between slavs and jews, and then anglos and jews
meanwhile everyone else like spanish italians greeks etc saw them as the allies of muslims and the enemies of europe who they really are
even if most of slavic DNA in the "ashkenazi" jews are actually from the massive ottoman slave trade where the shitskin muttoman empire took million plus slaves from the modern day ukraine, and raping women slaves is what created the "ashkenazi" half-white half-arab halfbreed rapebaby
somehow slavs still think jews as not their sworn enemy

during russian empire though the attitude switched, the tsars mostly ranged from didnt like jews to absolutely hated jews
and they werent allowed outside the pale of settlement where they were tolerated, ie the area of modern day ukraine, moldova, lithuania and half of poland

i think its simply that after the jews managed to dupe the russians to kill their last tsar, the propaganda since then including wwii and its propaganda, is so strong that anglos slavs both still think they fought on the right side of history
that nazis were bad and jews are dindunuffin goodboys
wwii is very much present still in russian culture they call it 'the great patriotic war' and it pretty much surpasses all their other military history in what is taught to them
there are memorials everywhere for it and they present it as if nazis were after slavs, and not after just jews

>>510363984
that's some extreme mental gymnastics you got there

Russia has never won a war
Ukraine has never lost a war

>>510366405
>my country is full of leeches who are sending money back, hate my country and are screwing the locals over for jobs
and we pay for it all
yeah EU handing free money to migrants from our pockets we are not fucking proud of it you complete retard

>>510366651
>you complete retard
and this is meant for >>510366176

>>510363020 (OP)
Russians vastly underestimated the strength of resistance

>>510363020 (OP)
Can’t explain quantum physics to a roach. Just wave the white flag for bbc

>>510363020 (OP)
Russia completely withdrew. Acting like they got btfo is ridiculous.

>>510366912
they withdrew because they were getting btfo anon...

>>510363020 (OP)
Russians think they can replicate humans and always fail miserably.

>>510366983
They withdrew because Boris Johnson told the Ukrainians not to make their deal and to keep fighting until the last hohol.

>>510366327
>Again this would only turn this war into a insurgency.
no, retard, because if the government collapses and is replaced by a pro russian regime the war is over

>>510366405
>Russia didn't come into the war with even a million men across the entire front and it was going to take a city of 2 million.
yes, they indeed sent ill prepared men to die because they are retarded, just like you.
why else would you drive huge armored columns all the way to kiev, land paratroopers near the city leaving them to die, if you don't intend to capture it.

>>510366912
Why are you pushing this bullshit we all saw what happened they got destroyed on the roads and their attack completely halted after the roads were bogged down with tank carcasses

We all saw that shit happen why the fuck do you push this bullshit? What does it even matter so why push it?

>>510367883
Damn Boris Johnson and his anglo magics

>>510366912
they retreated underground, in a way

>>510367976
Nah he is right depending on willingness or resistance if you just replace the govt you could be in for an insurgency
But to pretend replacing the govt wasnt the russian goal is fucking retarded because it absolutely was, they just failed

>why else would you drive huge armored columns all the way to kiev, land paratroopers near the city leaving them to die, if you don't intend to capture it.
yeah this they absolutely intended to capture it
its crazy how people start to push some retarded narrative now from a thing that literally just happened
i get someone trying to push bullshit from like iraq invasion its easier to think that people dont remember that as well
but cmon the invasion was just 3 years ago ppl do still remember what happened, except zoomers
pretty stupid to push bullshit when everyone still freshly remembers what happend

>>510363020 (OP)
>why did it fail?
Istambul negotiations had the condition that russians retreat fromt he north to start peace talks

>>510368355
>Nah he is right depending on willingness or resistance if you just replace the govt you could be in for an insurgency
but anon that is always going to happen if you occupy another nation, even right now you see politicians in the LDR get routinely killed or airfields in russia blowing up.
however if you're the one in charge of the country making the laws your claims in front of the world are more legitimate because you're the one in control.
having an isolated insurgency is better than having to grind through the countryside 100m at a time and losing 1mln men in the process, not counting all the infrastructure that has been destroyed in russia.

>>510363020 (OP)
Putin probably didn't want a Grozny situation to occur where the local populace basically has to be eradicated for any Russian control to occur.

>>510368511
Cool story bro

>>510363020 (OP)
They invaded Kyiv with tactics from the 1990s but forgot it was the 2020s and watched as drones destroyed their supply lines while they were deep in enemy territory. They also didn’t account for Ukrainians not actually wanting to be ruled by Russia and fighting back. The Battle of Hostomel Airport sealed their fate for this portion of the war.

>>510363020 (OP)
Basic anti-tank weapons we are able to stop their columns. After this happen russian forces were stuck and surrounded deep in enemy territory. The reason this happened was lack of professionalism in russian officer staff and its leadership. This is not how you conduct mobile warfare whether there be anti-tanks weapons or not.

>>510363020 (OP)
reasons ukraine did not fall in 3 days:
zelensky did not flee, nor was killed in decapitation strike
>"The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride," rally around the flag gave +10 morale to ukranian defense, prevented disruptiion of ukraine govt
defense of hostomel
>had invasion force of 18 il-76 packed with paratroopers been able to land kyiv would be indefensible. forced 40 mile fail convoy instead.
ukraine soldiers fought back
>early captured russians were convinced they would not meet resistance. if either russia invaders were more aggressive or ukrainians were less so it would be over
international support
>early intelligence, and supply of bayraktar, manpads, anti-tank (st. javelin, nlaw, stingers). lost some pantsirs, prevented air supremacy + 40 mile long convoy could not advance and was picked off by bayraktar and ambushes

>>510368898
you said
>if the government collapses and is replaced by a pro russian regime the war is over
which is not true, and now you are moving goalposts that its better to collapse the government than its not, which was not the claim at all

are you perhaps of cypriot jewry? have you ever tested your blood if you are knowingly not?

>>510369269
>with tactics from the 1990s
Not even that, there wasn't really a big shock and awe air campaign a la Desert Storm, or complete air superiority. It was more like a mad rush to the city on the main roads.

>>510363020 (OP)
It was tactical retreat.

>>510363020 (OP)
They needed more bigger and redder arrows

>>510370136
whatever opposition the insurgents could put together would never compare to what we're seeing today with cities razed to the ground and protracted fighting, so yes to me the war is over.

>are you perhaps of cypriot jewry?
no, have you been diagnosed with autism or are you just a pedantic cunt?