Thread 510389585

>they still think the universe isnt made by design
>they still think the universe started with the "big" bang
>theyre still atheists
Explain yourself nigger

You are boring conservatives. Twydx

>>510389585 (OP)
For me the question is "do you believe in God?" and the answer is 'no.'
I don't care to change my answer, I enjoy ceremony and go to Pagan events/Christian mass sometimes.
My Race is my God.

>>510389585 (OP)
if we'd known the amount of hardship we were going to endure over the last 2000 years, we would've made that cocksucker really suffer.

Which religion worships the right God?

We experience reality through pretty limited senses, the totality od existence could be completeley incomprehensible and unknowable for a human mind.
However, I have no reason to believe that a jewish tribal god, who wasn't even otiginally the head of his own pantheon made it.

Jewish daddy in the sky creating child cancer doesn't work for me, bro.

>>510389585 (OP)
>>they still think the universe isnt made by design
I never said that
>>they still think the universe started with the "big" bang
Yes
>>theyre still atheists
Not really. I'm very open to the idea that causality was set in motion by a god
>Explain yourself nigger
If you're arguing against the best working theory for physics without offering a more evident model of physics, chances are 100% that you also believe in a religion that says niggers are the equals of whites. There's between a 70 and 90 percent chance you are nonwhite, depending on which race denial nigger religion you believe in

Reminder that the "big bang" is creatonist propaganda invented by a catholic priest.
Don't believe in it.

It is the peak of human hubris to think we fully understand the universe, much less the nature of God.
Christianity is just one interpretation of the concept of a single almighty, all good god. Monotheists existed before it in many different places.

>>510389902
I have found both saying "there is no god" or "my book says that, it is this god." it completely narcissistic.
I have given up inventing stories for things i dont know, and have just resigned to saying, "I dont know."

>>510390532
Which one is more probable?

>>510389585 (OP)
I'm not an atheist anymore, but here's the thing. I think god is fucking super evil and isn't qualified to have the power he has because he's using it to abuse us.

It was easy to rationalize the world without god because of how much of a fucked up horror clownshow it is where no one is allowed to be happy unless they're evil and like to torture kids and animals. But with god? There's literally zero chance he loves us and zero chance he's good.

>>510390654
I dont know.

I'm just here to remind you that Αλεξάμενος σέβεται Θεόν, LMAO!

>>510389902
Shaktism

>>510389585 (OP)
The Universe is alive and conscience. Your imaginary friend isn't real though.

>>510390532
Christianity tries to make a convincing argument with the resurrection.
Funnily enough, it's also the thing that distinguishes it from Judaism and Islam.
Jews claim he died by crucifixion and stayed dead, muslims claim he wasn't even crucified.
Christians claim he rose from the dead after being crucified.
Christians claim people saw him after his death.
The apostles died horrible deaths for not denying their belief in the resurrected Christ.

Now, assuming Christ did not rise, why would the apostles die for what they would have known to be a lie?
I think that's Christianity's most favorite argument for legitimacy.

>>510390923
I find it hilarious that the refutation of Christianity has always been "dead Jew on a stick".

>>510389585 (OP)
They're as close to understanding as any exoteric christian faggot honestly, i'd even say the latter are worse off.

>>510391144
You just made the claim in this very thread that Christianity's best argument is that a couple of jews died for the sake of their cult, brosefino.

>>510389585 (OP)
Okay I can believe there's some asshole creator/demiurge/God but prove it's all middle eastern schizo tales.

>>510389585 (OP)
>they still think the universe started with the "big" bang
The big bang theory was invented by a Christian monk. The vast majority of scientists who have worked in the field of astrophysics have been Christians.

>>510391094
>>510391144
Life-Death-Resurrection is an ancient theme in religions and well predates Christianity. Christianity is just the most popular current version of this story.
What it's based on is people's need to believe that people can come back from death, that death is not the end.
Buddhism is a much more rational religion than any of the Abrahamic faiths - which, really, are just faiths. You have to be a fideist to really believe these religions, as they are not well established by reason alone.

>>510391232
Who would die for what they know to be a lie?
Doesn't this instead prove that they knew it wasn't a lie and that dying for Christ is what will grant you eternal life, as Christ said according to the new testament?

The big bang is completely irrelevant to whether one is an atheist or not.

>>510391373
A hell of a lot of people have died in the name of every religion and political ideology.

>>510391354
Buddhism is just ritual suicide.
It's not about life and resurrection, the contrary actually. The goal of Buddhism is to escape life and reach the state of actual death without reincarnation.

>>510391373
>Who would die for what they know to be a lie?
>In 1997, 39 members of the cult killed themselves in a mansion in Rancho Santa Fe, California. They believed that a spaceship was hiding behind the Hale-Bopp comet, which was flying by Earth at the time. They thought their souls would hitch a ride on the spaceship if they ditched their physical "vehicles" (i.e., bodies) so they collectively committed suicide
I guess they are all now on a space journey!

>>510391094
Thats like asking why islamists use suicide vests if they wouldnt get 72 virgins.

Doesnt matter. It ALL relies on stories, folklore and human written books.

>>510389585 (OP)
If you are an abrahamic monotheist, please kill yourself immediately.

>>510389585 (OP)
>Implying the answer isn't more nuanced than it being designed or not.

>>510391517
I hate to break it to you buddy, but that's the goal of literally every right-hand path religion.

>>510389585 (OP)
The universe was made by design and did start with the big bang. The fuck you think "LET THERE BE LIGHT" was? Gods design of the universe is simply too grand for you to completely appreciate. As a matter of fact, it's too grand for any human to fully appreciate as we lack the knowledge base to do so. But from what little we do know, this universe is beautiful and perfect according to it's design. The fact that we exist is a miracle in and of itself, and proof God loves us. By learning we can come to know God. This is his gift to us and why we are made in his image. Our ability to learn and create.

>>510391491
>>510391608
A lot of people have been brainwashed by others to die for religion and ideology.
How many leaders of a cult have died for their belief?
That's the difference.
Christ got martyred for his belief and was resurrected.
His disciples who, according to the bible, denied him then at his trial in the temple were martyred later because they refused to deny him again (because they supposedly saw him resurrected).
>>510391642
Last thing I read, your prophet didn't suicide bomb anything. Instead, he convinced others that he could hear the voice of god or something and convince them to give their women to him.
Again, it's not the leader who died for the faith first. It's always some poor guy who gets deceived.
>>510391878
Christianity promises eternal life in the kingdom of heaven and the resurrection of Christians.

>>510389585 (OP)
What fucking design, the overwhelming majority on this planet looks obviously randomly generated.

If our entire universe is in a black hole and God was just someone from outside it talking to us what does that mean?

>>510389585 (OP)
>Explain yourself nigger
I just lack belief in God or gods

>>510392016
You are just arguing for the degree of schizophrenia and that's if and only if we accept that Yeshua really did get resurrected. It's a flimsy argument at best man. Even if I were to 100% concede that the apostles really did believe that they saw him rise again, you argument boils down to "more faith = more chance of being real" but this has no logical legs to stand on.

>>510392016
eh, its unclear if he existed at all. Apparently this city in the middle of the desert was the center of civilization, somehow... Yeah, right. Nobody gave a shit about that part of the world, ever.

>>510389585 (OP)
Based fringe researcher Farquad.

>>510391389
Exactly this

>>510392379
Looks like BDO character creator

Frog in a well.

>>510389585 (OP)
something can't be created from nothing (Big bang), so this shit was fake and gay, but God is also kinda fake and gay (kids with cancer, psychopaths rulling the World and making everyone life a living Hell) and He just sit around doing nothing ?
>dude, original sin lmao
yeah, the sins of the father , so your grandkids 10000 years in the future need to suffer and get cancer, because they need to learn a leason right ?

>>510392016
>How many leaders of a cult have died for their belief?
Jim Jones
Marshall Applewhite
David Koresh
Joseph Smith
Adolf Hitler
>Christianity promises eternal life in the kingdom of heaven and the resurrection of Christians.
At best, you're just gonna be sitting there praising this deity for eons. At worst, you're going to be absorbed into it. Either way, not the type of afterlife that I want.

>>510392336
Well, the apostles and the other people who saw the resurrected Christ either all had a mass hallucination or the event took place.
Whatever option you feel more comfortable with.
>>510392345
>its unclear if he existed at all
Funny how there's no evidence for Muhammed who came way later, yet there's lots of extra-biblical accounts of Jesus, so we can be certain he existed rather confidently.

>>510392925
Or they made it the fuck up because they were religious zealots like jews have been again and again way before christianity was a thought. By the way, could you denounce the Talmud and the Torah really quick for me?

>>510392925
>Well, the apostles and the other people who saw the resurrected Christ either all had a mass hallucination or the event took place.
>Whatever option you feel more comfortable with.
Or the event didn't happen and these people don't exist

>>510392925
The person existed I am sure, but that doesnt solve anything. There have been so many people who have claimed to speak for a god or gods.

>>510392925
Christians claim to not be materialists but then are flabbergasted when a single mystical event takes place.

>>510393188
I can denounce the Talmud and the synagogue of Satan, yes.
Reminder that the pharisees who conspired to have Christ killed are the same people who later became the rabbinic Jews everyone hates.
Christianity is opposed to them, keep that in mind.
The Torah is still part of the old testament though.
And doesn't even say anything bad, if you actually read it, so I don't know why you'd want anyone to denounce it.
The funny thing about the Old Testament is, that it depicts the Jews constantly disobeying God and paints them in a bad light.

>>510393214
>Or the event didn't happen and these people don't exist
Roman historians recorded their existence, they did exist. We know Jesus lived and died from non-biblical sources.

>>510389902
There's either one God or no God. If there's one God why are people's interpretation of him so different? If there's no God why does every culture around the world worship some God?

>>510393899
>Roman historians recorded their existence
No they didn't. Nor did any of them record any of these supposed events like the dead rising all over the city.