Thread 510396051

The red line is the borders of the 4 oblasts Russia says it needs to conquer. What can they realistically conquer this year?
I think if they really pushed for it, they could take the rest of Donetsk, and maybe some of Zaporizhzhia; but I can't really see them ever taking the rest of Kherson and I doubt they get to Zaporizhzhia city.

>>510396051 (OP)
looks like Russia is winning.

February 2029 at their current pace.

>>510396329
They control less of Ukraine now than they did 3 years ago.

>>510396329
>Luhansk
basically 100% conquered
>Dontesk
while probably more than 50% is conquered, they're still unable to take Pokrovsk and haven't even started taking to two big cities of Kramatorsk and Sloviansk. Even if they took Pokrovsk it would take a massive accelerated offensive to take the two cities this year.
>Zaporizhzhia
They still need to move towards the oblast's city, and honestly I dont know if they've ever even tried this entire time. No idea how that'd go.
>Kherson
They haven't even tried to cross the river since they retreated, I doubt they ever will. It's a physical border that will probably be the dividing line when this ends.

>>510396460
>control less
Cope.

>>510396728
It's true sweaty

>>510396600
They probably will end up absorbing the rest into one o Ukraine district.

>>510396460
Objectively wrong. They might have been present in a wider variety of locations 3 years ago, but the skeleton crew they had was in control of very little of it. It's like saying 5 dudes camping in a 20sq mile area control it. Yeah nah.

>>510397985
>They might have been present in a wider variety of locations 3 years ago, but the skeleton crew they had was in control of very little of it.
This is a really weird cope that makes Russia look incompetent. You realize that right?
>We never really controlled that territory anyway. That's why we had to retreat in complete disarray!

they will take porkroast and kamatorsk this year for sure.

luhansk is conquered, dontesk is cracking like an egg and will be mostly conqueted, kherson is frozen at the dnieper, zaporzhiza i have no idea, its wide open but they dont push at all there hardly.

i predict the war will end with everything east of the dnieper conquered, plus odessa oblast and the one to the east of it. they will also take kiev. it will take till 2030 though

the big variables at this point are ukraines internal stability, if zelenksy can keep the meat grinder going this will take years, if piggers rebel this could be over by next year with ukraines collapse

overall there is no good outcome for ukraine and no bad outcome for russia - just sliding scale of good bad for each side

>>510396600
Why did someone even draw the oblasts to have this massive physical barrier running through it?

>>510397602
>It's true sweaty
may I see those "controled" land?

>>510398766
Well it's not controlled by Russian anymore, except for the thin strip in Kharkov oblast that they evacuated and then had to re-invade lmao. Zero progress there in nearly 2 years.

>>510398857
in 2022 ukraine was fighting a russian expeditionary force

in 2025 ukraine in fighting several Russian army groups

the result is ukraine is getting smaller every day and russia is getting bigger

>>510396420
That's not bad desu.

Anyone know what the average attrition rate is per month for Ukrainian soldiers.

Can Ukraine keep fighting for 3.5 more years without running out of soldiers to defend with?

>>510399309
You don't know what the term "expeditionary force" even means. But why did it do so much better than the several Russian army groups fighting now? And why did Putin half ass the initial invasion and fuck everything up so badly?

>>510396051 (OP)
Why would Russia care about arbitrary borders drawn up by Ukraine? Just set up new oblasts where they advanced to and call it a day

>>510399390
>That's not bad desu.
Lmao! Russian will finally control all of Russia by 2029. Not bad desu!

>>510397985
What kind of retard invades a country with a skeleton crew?

>>510396051 (OP)
they will not expand over the Dnipro
the main goal of the war was a land bridge to Crimea. i think they will only do an offensive in Donezk and then fortify their positions

>>510399525

Well over the past few years the consensus has gone from Ukraine will defeat Russia and retake what hey lost to it's a stalemate to Russia gets what they want by 2029.

Looks like you guys are losing this Proxy war.

Better luck next time I guess.

>>510399462
>But why did it do so much better than the several Russian army groups fighting now? And why did Putin half ass the initial invasion and fuck everything up so badly?


russia underestimated the nato militarization of ukraine, the drone threat and the corruption within its own army. it advanced quickly but overextended itself and was vulnerable. in the initial invasion it was about 200000 russians vs 600000 ukranians

faced with this bad scenario russia fell back to favorable positions and began to increase its combat power via militarization and mobilization. today there are 700000 russians against about 500000 ukranians. the russians are much more heavily armed and the ukranians much more torn up and depleted russia also fixed a good deal of corruption within the MoD.

as i said, in 2022 ukraine was fighting about 200000 strong expeditionary force, now they are fighting in 2025 a force about three times larger than that (and growing)

this is why ukraine is slowly withering, time is not on their side

>>510396329
Only because they changed the victory condition after failing all the previous missions. Now they'll just pretend "w-we just wanted those 4 all along!"

>>510396051 (OP)
Yeah they are not getting Kherson ever

>>510398353
>they will take porkroast and kamatorsk this year for sure
Delusional. At their current pace, they are set to take those cities in the year 2032.

>>510399615
Someone who thought Ukraine would instantly surrender and agree to the peace terms instead of destroying their country

>>510399987
Russia won't exist by 2029. It will be:
1. Failed state in constant civil war.
2. Balkanized.
3. Glassed.
4. Any combination of the above.

High IQ Russians already left, so whatever path, nothing of value is lost.

>>510398144
>This is a really weird cope that makes Russia look incompetent. You realize that right?

They're trying to actually permanently control the territory they slowly do take though. Its not like the US in Afghanistan where you can map paint the whole country as 'controlled' but then it all collapses in 3 days because you never really controlled any of it, its illusory

>>510399390
The way Ukraine have been fighting this war for the last few years has been to trade land for Russian casualties. The gambit is that the Russian military will collapse before all of Ukraine is lost. Seeing how Russia have over a million casualties now and do not seem to be slowing down might indicate that the Ukrainian strategy won't work. Ukraine doesn't really have many other options though.

Might work out for them

>>510396051 (OP)
they will absolutely go for dnepropetrovsk and kharkov area, doesn't make sense to leave that

>>510400334
Completely delusional

>>510399513
There's actually a legitimate answer to this lol. To Russia, the 4 oblasts voted to join the Russian Federation, so in Russian law ALL of the oblast becomes part of Russia. So on a technicality they're fighting to control the borders of the Russian Federation.

>>510398857
--ACK

>>510400543
they probably thought Ireland would be reunited too so lmao at them

>>510400280
bruh porkroast is already like 60% encircled if ukies have a bad rotation it may fall by august

>>510400608
>2 years for this

>>510400673
>it may fall by august

>>510400115
>Only because they changed the victory condition after failing all the previous missions.
The first objetive was the liberation of Donetks and Luhanks. Ukro/Nato chimp out and now Ukraine is losing Kherson, Zapo, Kharkiv, Sumy and Dnipro. lol

>>510396051 (OP)
Its the most heavily fortified area since they've been fighting there since 2014

No chance

>>510400715
>2 years for this
10 years for this....

>>510400505
I figured those incursions are temporary to secure areas on the russian side of them, then will be given back as part of a final deal. essentially what Ukraine thought they'd do with Kursk.

>>510400831
Still more impressive than Russia's failures in Ukraine

>>510396051 (OP)
I doubt they will go beyond the Dnepr.

>>510400460

If anything the Russian military seems to be getting bigger and stronger.

That's what the eu has been saying if you believe them, that's why they say we have to re-arm Europe. Because Russia will be ready to invade us in a few years.

The million dead Russians is a Ukrainian number right?

>>510400608
Ukraine always does managed retreats though. Russia haven't been able to create cauldrons since the beginning of the war. Even Russian commentators agree that the Ukrainian strategy is simply to trade land for Russian casualties, hoping this will grind Russia down. Russia is hoping their manpower advantage or the destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure or withdrawal of western support will win them the war.

Pretty inconclusive at the moment.

>>510400771
Objectives:
>demilitarization
Yeah, Russia got demilitarized alright - objective failed
>denazification
Ukrainian nationalism at all time high, failed to take Kiev - objective failed
>Stop NATO expansion
Objective obviously failed.

Have the Russians ever even tried to advance towards the city?

>>510400979
>The million dead Russians is a Ukrainian number right?
It's 1 million casualties which includes prisoners, missing, dead, and injured. And I think it's pretty widely agreed upon. Well by everyone except Russia lel

If they don't conquer 5 then they lied and should be considered failures.

>>510401024
War is fake and gay.

>>510399987
>the consensus has gone from Ukraine will defeat Russia
That was never the consensus dumb shitskin. And who cares what the many think anyway? What a silly coping faggot you are.

>>510400082
>why did it do so much better than the several Russian army groups fighting now? And why did Putin half ass the initial invasion and fuck everything up so badly?
This is the question I asked.

>>510401128
Also, I've asked before why Russia had never invaded this area, but it seems they finally did lol

>>510400750
>looks at deep state war map
>pokrovsk surrondings have been completely swarmed by russia in the past month
>city looks like a piece of fruit in pacmans mouth
>this is fine

i said it would fall by end of year. if ukies fuck up it could fall by august. if they dont fuck up it will fall by december. this isnt a controversial opinion. kramatorsk is stronger than porkvosk but they russians are envoloping that too and if the SW falls (it will) that kramtorsk is in the same cauldron porkvosk now is. six months is a long time and ukies are getting shredded across the entire front, no reason to believe bad breaks wont happen in the donbass

>>510400845
no, those are some of the richest areas of the ukraine, i don't have the exact numbers here, but if ukraine has ~$14 trillion of mineral wealth, russia now holds around 7 and these two areas hold another 5, so that would leave like $2 trillion to the west

>>510401217
It's what you guys were saying you silly mutt.

>>510401386
Sure thing, you redditspacing lolcow.

It depends on the price of oil, but the Russian economy is already in the crapper and Putin is under pressure to cut spending from next year.

>inb4 2 more weeks
Yeah no, they funded the war for 3 years from the national wealth fund. Those reserves are getting depleted, they can't keep the war economy going by overspending from taxes, that would freeze all investment and might even lead to cutting pensions.
Something's gonna crack if they keep going like this for another year.

So Russia's limit is definitely fiscal. The war economy already peaked and there's no free resources to tap into to keep that artificial growth going. It can only go down from now on

>>510396051 (OP)

Look at where they are now and compare it to their kettle strategy.

>>510401386
If it falls, they basically create the mother of all cauldrons lol

>>510401128
the city is on the Dniper river, Ukraine would be able to hold the other side of the river so the city would be split in two. same reason they are stuck in Kherson.

>>510399525
Why did you type desu, faggot?

>>510401568
>>510401590

Cauldron hive mind moment.

>>510401568
the problem with Kherson is the river, I just don't think they'll be able to cross it and then hold it and settle the conflict. Ukraine would clearly just focus all their resources into pushing them back. it's too imposing of a natural barrier imo.
>>510401592
sure but they could at least be on the "russian" side of that river like they are in Kherson, I don't think they've ever advanced in that direction at all.

>>510401592
Zelesnky opened the bridge just before the war began (January 2022). it would get blown up immediately probably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zaporizhzhia_Dniper_Bridge

>>510401447
I've never really thought Russia cares too much about the mineral resources they're taking. Sure it's a bonus but Russia is already huge with vast resources.

>>510401704

It'd be a shitty time for sure but I think they could use some different strategies to take it. Lots of drones as usual but also paratrooper/special forces to take specific areas and buy time for troop crossings.

Or they might just level everything and make a no mans land they can drone attack on while crossing.

>>510401753
They probably care more about denying them to Ukraine
What they want is a rump state that is unable to actually join EU / NATO. Because they'd have to accept the changed borders first

>>510401267
>>why did it do so much better than the several Russian army groups fighting now?

it didnt? ukraine is losing badly to 2025 russia while it fought off 2022 russia partially

>>And why did Putin half ass the initial invasion and fuck everything up so badly?

as i said, corruption, drones and ukraines heavy nato tech hobbled russia in 2022. even so - theu conquered a lot of ukraine and secuered mauripol and crimenea land bridge

>>510401704
Zaporizhzhia is a nice major city, they probably don't want to turn it into Bakhmut

>>510401861
>They probably care more about denying them to Ukraine
True to be honest. That's a solid point.
>>510401829
I'm sure they'll demand it in a final settlement, but act like it's some big concession of theirs when they settle without it. Having to defend a single city across the river would be crazy.

>>510401753
some of those minerals will be very valuable if for example fusion reactors take off. in that case leaving your rightful clay to europeans would be idiotic, especially since that would make them completely energy independent

>>510397985
I like Russia but this is just MIGA tier cope.

>>510400979
>>If anything the Russian military seems to be getting bigger and stronger.
How delusional are you? In what world does "we're reducing military spending because we have 21% inflation and pissed away out sovereign wealth fund to do this and have to borrow going forward" equate to getting stronger?

>>510401753
Ukraine has always been one of the key resource hubs of whatever slavic empire controls it. Russia has no substitute for most of the commercial metals mined there, they are a major prize.
>>510401317
Because being holed up on either side of the river turns it into an artillery duel. Russia relies heavily on artillery concentration to support its offensive actions, so it can't spare batteries to a pissing match over a river it doesn't have the means to cross. Not all ground is worth taking, especially as Russia's offensive means are increasingly overstretched. It needs to be cautious to pick its battles not only where it can produce success, but where that success can have a meaningful impact operationally.

>>510402002
While I don't think they'll want Kherson, I do think they'll push for Zaporizhzhia.
>>510402048
I know, I just think their territorial ambition is more important to them.

>>510401458
Who is "you guys" shitskin?
>>510401664
Hello newfaggot
>>510401893
>ukraine is losing badly to 2025 russia
Why can't Russia just take Pokrovsk then? Or Kupyansk? Or Lyman? Or Kramatorsk? Or Sumy? Nothing is fucking happening at all but stalemate.

>>510402386
>I know, I just think their territorial ambition is more important to them.
that's fair, guess we'll see relatively soon how it plays out

2021
>NATO is crumbling, defence spending not up to scratch, fractured
>Be Russia
>2nd most feared military in the world
>almost at the same level as the USA
>boast about being able to take Berlin in 3 days if you wanted
>invade your literal backwater neighbour 1/4 your size
2025
>NATO added two wealthy countries, more united than ever, defence spending massively increased
>Russian MIC in shambles, gear outed as shit compared to even 80's/90's western tech
>Russian Military is a laughing stock
>Interest rates and inflation through the roof
>begging Iran and North Korea to help you
>Elite keep falling out of windows
>you've taken less than 25% of Ukraine with no end in sight
oh i am laffin

>>510400115
Yeah, let’s trust western media narratives…
They’ve never lied repeatedly…
Fucking gay

>>510396051 (OP)
Zaporizhia will be taken by a complete encirclement. Russians will create multiple cauldrons in many large cities, like Povrosk, Lyman, and Konstantinovka, in the same time they are pushing north in Zaporogia right now, they took a large village near the city, they are only 40 kms from the city Zaporoghia right now. I think the big push is here, all the way to winter. The city of Kherson is a little more problematic and it’s the only city where I have doubt they will achieve this year. Maybe next year.
Once completely, the Russians will not stop if the hohols dont want to surrender, they will add Dnieprovosk oblast, Karkhov oblast and when they cross and take Kherson and Odessa will be annexed too. Hohols are cooked.
Slava Z

>>510401024
6-10x ukrainians are dying for every russian ffs. Where the fuck are you getting those numbers? Fucking Paasikiivi?

>>510402870
i heard it was closer to 100x holols per russian.
so far 5-10 million ukranians have died fighting for their nazi regime.

>>510396051 (OP)
Clinton would orchestrated a ceasefire by now, just like he did with the Bosnian war

>>510402870
6-10X was numbers in 2022-2023. 2024 and 2025 were bloodier for the hohols. While the Russians learnt to encircle and attack with less and less casualties.
>>510403021
100X is nuts but I believe it, especially with the 500 Shaheed drones landing in dense cities a day.
At least 10 millions fled Ukraine, then another 5-10 millions died or is handicapped or is missing in action. Hohols do not disclose the real numbers but we all know it’s super high.

>>510403021
Closer in numbers that cuck Sven’s.
The hohols are bleeding big but nothing comes out except inverted numbers and denial. I don’t get nato fags falling back to believing western cope in 2022, guess covid mind warped the normie horde hard… But of the ones that physically went there it’s clear they’re the most npc scum we had to offer. Feel bad for the broke hohol/russians, forced or bribed into early graves for fake and gay reasons to the retarded cheers of western fruit cakes.

unironically the entirety of Donetsk will fall before this year, once the russians encircle pokrovsk it's over. Literally Ukraine's most strategically important city outside of Kiev

>>510403733
Today they begun the encirclement of Povrosk from the North, it’s kino, Donbass will be completed before Winter or in the middle of Winter. Kherson city will remain to be liberated for 2026

>>510403550
>nothing comes out except inverted numbers and denial
devils advocate here, but its the same from the russian side. russia isn't even publishing its economic numbers anymore, lets alone its military numbers.

>>510404028
>Today they begun the encirclement of Povrosk from the North
damn didn't realize how far they've gotten recently

>>510404638
Grim. /uhg/ is still spamming gore while Russia just keeps taking territory

>>510404028
Yup,
They will unironically capture Rodynske in a day or two and then Ukraine will only have one vulnerable road left to bring in supplies and be functionally cut off.
Russians did some crazy deep manoeuvre warfare and really punched very deep very quickly with their armor and light vehicles.
Maybe they will keep it up and we get Blitzkrieg kino

>>510404638
It’s ogre bro. That’s why europeans flew to Trump’s office and suck his dick publicly, begging for weapons while paying premium for them.
Europeans weapons can’t do shit in quantity or quality.

>>510404820
heh, /uhg has just been sickos this whole time, they care nothing for the conflict except for the degeneracy they can share with each other. true fagtards

>>510404883
The quality of the weapons systems are fine, we just have no capacity to build them in any large number and we won't unless we abolish the free gibs and pump it into the military, which boomers will never allow

>>510396051 (OP)
They already took it over, retard. Then they retreated to start the slow war of attrition. You dumb retards don’t even understand basic military tactics cuz all you do is play call of duty on weed

>>510404883
probably not going to be able to get there in time. and ukraine's officer core has to be in shatters after three years of this idiocy. i cant see how ukraine lauches any more counter attacks - russia has cracked the air defenses, and it's just not going to be possible to get back to that again - surely not for a measly 10bil

>>510404876
I believe sabotage units were deep inside for months preparing the way, while softening the Ukrainian positions with aviation, Gerans, and FPV’s. The hohols are truly collapsing on that side of the front. The Russians are insisting now on Povrosk and Konstantinovka, they even made a new turtle tank going literally 5 km/h, one of them took 60 FPV drones and kept going, then went on a mine field and got stopped. This alone is a massive breakthrough, I think the Russians found the ultimate FPV counter, a slow but heavily reinforced turtle tank.

>>510404244
You use third parties. Go after social media obituaries, missing people etc, then go by number munitions reported, the one thing hohols report(no casualties though except civilisns) and it’s pretty clear. Russia are factually reporting losses with lag of some months-6 months but hohol has massive gaps in their casualty numbers.
Ukraine is simply too corrupt, actual meth head ex hooligans in charge of complicated things.
I really hate how my fellow westerners are so easily fooled. Literal women in their level of perception and willpower.

>>510405204
WW1 is back lets fucking go

>>510405102
hey, flaggot, I played BF4
>>510404883
it's pretty wild that Trump stood firm on no more free shit to Ukraine, then got the Europeans to pay him for it instead.
>>510404820
they've also made slow gains towards Lyman, out of Toresk, and along the road to Sloviansk.

>>510404820
>>510404638
BASED BASED BASED
Z

>>510405036
Yes. No quantity because you got a “sample” army, along with the sample military industry. Also you dont build the capacity to produce 25 years worth of weapons in 2-3 years, it would take you at least 15 years to start a decent military industry.
>abolish free gibs
It would cause famine and create a simp out, the boomers are too afraid for that indeed.

>>510404638
yeah its really weird to me ukies being like "pokrovosk will never fall in 2025" and im like bro its basically already gone

>>510396051 (OP)
Attritional war is a very sudden collapse, think Germany at the end of WW1 after 4 years of barely moving (or even them pushing forward most years).

>>510399525
>my side is losing too slowly for my liking!!!!!
most retarded cope on 4chan

>>510405381
we are unironically going Syria mode with a sectarian conflict/civil war in the next 5 years, so not like it even matters famalam.
wonder if the Russians are going to airdrop guns to feed the conflict

>>510405346
Euros sucked Trump’s D with smile while complimenting him publicly which they hate to do, that’s a humiliation and Trump enjoyed every second of it kek.
They had no other choice, they had to accept and pay for all of it. I think they are now sending the rest of their own equipment meanwhile the new stuff comes in and replace.
>Lyman and Sloviansk
The Russians usually take those quickly I hope they re-succeed in taking them swiftly.

>>510405589
Yeah, it's pathetic how Russia can't advance like they did in 2022. What changed?

>>510405693
Drones, US would face the same thing if they ever decided to invade Iran

>>510405233
>factually reporting
yeah k, paid shill spotted lol

>>510405589
see
>>510402566
the fall from relevance is the funny part.

>>510396051 (OP)
Russia couldn't conquer a preschool. Anyone thinking they will be taking all that land is living a serious delusion.

>>510406236
They're not taking Kherson, but they could legitimately take the rest of it. Probably not by the end of the year but likely in another year.

>>510396051 (OP)
When do you idiots think Ukraine will run out of Ukrainians, out of curiousity?

>>510396460
Ukraine controls 20% less of Ukraine than they did 11 years ago :)

>>510406300
>They're not taking Kherson

they are taking kherson, and zaphorizha city and kiev and odessa too. you want to know how? theyre gonna fucking kill every ukranian and then just walk across the dnieper. thats not a meme thats the literal russian strategy just kill every fighting age ukranian thats too poor to flee the country and too stupid or cowardly to shoot the press gangs. you might say they cant do that but they can - they are - its happening. they have the muscle and the machine and the money to do it the only variable is time

>>510406326
6 million if they draft volksstrum

>>510405598
No need for civil war, you only need to disband the EU and revert back to your sovereign state, the rest would fix itself. A soft coup through patriots inside the government and military would be needed. Full on civil war could be averted if the “white hats” inside the government and military do the soft coup, or else civil war. In case of civil war you would need to start the fight then China and Russia would drop some guns for you. Kek.

>>510399615
Shock and awe. Its worked a lot of other times in history.
The reason it didn't work this time is because Putin trusted a Jew.
The truth is Putin obviously would have been willing to take all of Ukraine, but he really only wanted to keep crimea and take the Russian parts and create a land bridge to crimes, maybe to Odessa too if things worked out really well.
So when zelenskynwas willing to sit down and make a deal hours into the invasion he halted his troops, you can go back and look at the 8 hour halt of the tank column the media claimed was supply shortages or something, zelenskynsigned the deal in Constantinople (or Istanbul if you're a roach) and then boris Johnson visited him at the behest of Biden and convinced him to go back on the deal, they attacked the withdrawing Russian troops and the rest is history.
It's actually kinda crazy to me how few people know this.
It was revealed about a year later and it totally matches up to the timeline of events that you can look back on.
What Russia supporters were saying at the time about it being a feint or whatever is irrelevant

>>510405553
The hohol bleeding is giving its fruits. Next year hohols will beg for the same deal the Russians offered last month.
Russians would demand more oblasts and unconditional surrender maybe at that the time the hohols would accept.

>>510400334
When this doesn't happen you will never have to account for this, you'll be in another thread saying something equally stupid
>Captcha: 0TPY0
I think the captcha senses that you are paid by OTPOR!

>>510407065
>It's actually kinda crazy to me how few people know this.
The Russians were disclosing all the details, so we knew this since 2022, of course we got called Putin’s bots when we did explain the Russian information.
>Putin trusted the jew
Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and told Zelensky they would drop all aid and support if he signed he also most likely proposed some bribes to the jew and lots of cocaine if he continued the war.
At that time Russia’s military objective was to quickly disable the AFU, and blitzkrieg Kiev to force a rendition. When the Russians found out that it did not work they flipped to full on war economy and a war of attrition, slowly bleeding the hohols and Nato from their weapons and specialists. Which caused millions of useless deaths on the Ukrainian side, but that blood is on Zelensky and Boris Johnson’s hands.

>>510396051 (OP)
Probably try something like this.

>>510400082
Nah it just took a stupid deal and trusted the Jews. Refer to my other comment.
The dumbest part of all of this is if they had just kept pressing with everything they had in the beginning they would have won, kiev couldn't have mounted enough of a defense in time and they could've arrested zelensky.
They took that stupid deal for the Russian speaking areas that zelenskynimmediately went back on and then because of drones making tanks obsolete and undoing what tanks did to warfare after WW1 by freeing up stalemates, now we have another stalemate.
Nowadays every war that isn't won in the first day or two is going to be a stalemate like this unless you are just willing to decimate population centers with missiles.
Which NATO is, so unless the axis of resistance is willing to do the same unfortunately they won't stand a chance.

>>510407509
I wont sleep tight till Odessa is on Russian hands. Hohols must be barred from the Black Sea. That’s the only right punishment at the height of their mistake against their blood brothers.

>>510407509
I agree 100%, although I don't think they seriously pursue Kharkiv at all

>>510407677
Checked. Kharkov will become a buffer zone. Anytime you attack the Russians they punish you by taking land. Also bargaining chips to get Odessa later, speculation.

>>510406972
The EU will never allow for such a thing to happen i fear, they aim for war with Russia to distract from domestic issues and prevent a civil war by rallying the population for a foreign war.

>>510400082
This is kinda like how everyone was talking shit on america for a year after Afghanistan when they would have faired the same.
Under the circumstances (cucking and not blitzkrieging kiev immediately and taking a deal) I honestly think America would be in the same place if it were in Russias place.
Maybe not because it would be totally okay with destroying all civilian infrastructure and killing a million civilians, but if it kept to Russias ROE.
When you can't move high dollar weaponry in because of drones it really limits you, and America's whole thing is it's high dollar weaponry, whereas Russias is it's less advanced weaponry but much more of it and more efficient and faster production.
So in this case I actually think America might do worse without leveling Ukraine to the ground.

>>510400608
Kyiv in 3 days - SOON, WILL?

>>510407899
Russian I mean Soviet equipment is so plentiful they somehow reached shell parity after fighting their broke ass neighbor for 4 years lmao

>>510396051 (OP)
>10 years later
>no Kramatorsk
Fishes are slipprery tbqh. Not everyone has the skill to hug a cod

>>510407976
May it go on until the last hohol!

>>510407601
>The dumbest part of all of this is if they had just kept pressing with everything they had in the beginning they would have won, kiev couldn't have mounted enough of a defense in time and they could've arrested zelensky

kiev was actually successfully defended by zalunsky (the general). ukrane, thanks to him, had enough arty to secure the city from a blitz

>>510400460
The reason kings historically surrendered was because fighting would destroy their country and people, whereas they might have a chance in a few generations to overthrow the rulers.
Had Ukraine just surrendered they wouldn't have their already abysmal birth rates destroyed even further and the future of their country gone.
Even if they win now, Ukraine as a nation is prettymuch over.
The women are off marrying German guys and will never return, and the young men are dying.
All that will be left is an aging population.
BlackRock will fill the country with Indians or Israel will colonize it, that's all I can see happening if NATO wins.

>>510408151
Good thing ziggers are resurrected.

>>510400082
Some Russian drone operator brigades are today the best in the world, BOB (БOБ) brigade, those guys are nuts they can do side flip and land bullseye on a tank or a moving truck at 100+km/h, they got some next level skills today and there are lots like them. Also Russia learnt how to take land with fewer and fewer casualties, they used to brute force their way frontally that changed today, they proceed to methodical encirclement with least casualties. Also, they are more like 2.1 millions Russian army unit, they used to be 800.000 before the war, this number is growing. I know last year they were at 700.000 on the Ukrainian battlefield but today it’s way more than that, we will know in time how many they are today on the battlefield, but I speculate around 900.000 and that number is growing. Also, many Russian soldiers enjoyed their service in this war, many dont see themselves coming back to a civilian life anytime soon, which means their soldiers are more motivated than ever.
The war objective was different at the start of the operation, it changed when zelensky refused to hold the terms of the Istanbul peace deal. War objectives changed to war of attrition and taking the land by force (Donbass).

>>510407677
It would mainly be as a way to draw Ukrainian troops from elsewhere.

>>510408268
Unironically, Ukraine’s best outcome would be to surrender to Russia unconditionally, and sever ties with the EU that way their debt would be nulle and void. BlackRock already got expelled from Ukraine since last week.
All profitable mines are already in Russia’s hands.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/blackrock-cuts-ukraine-recovery-fund-western-hopes-dim

>>510406378
Whatever you need to cope with honey :)

>>510401130
Lmao what, US leaked intelligence said total casualties 110k in 2023. High casualty battles of Bakhmut or the initial period have not been replicated as much. Even tripling that doesnt reach your retarded Queef Independent numbers.

>says that as he is coping with his prepared canned posts and saved images on his hard drive
why is uhg so bad at this? are you getting paid to perform so poorly?

>>510401217
inject this rage into my veins 4caca

>>510409037
Land is the only thing that decides the winner of the war. Everything else is cope.

>>510407065
>Shock and awe
You dont know what that word means tranny faggot shill. This far into the 2nd Iraq war NATO had killed 400,000 civillians.
Only 13,000 ukrainian civillians have been killed so far, its the opposite of shock and awe.
Retard

>>510410987
Well land is the one thing Russia doesn't have enough of. No amount of dead ziggers is too much for moar land.

>>510402566
>NATO added two wealthy countries
Oh no the mighty swiss bicycle mounted infantry!
NATO also got kicked out of 8 countries in Africa since the war started.

>>510411449
lol
Currently ukraine and the west is begging russia to start negotiating so ukraine stops losing even more land.
The absolute best case scenario for ukraine is to end the war with the current status quo, so they only lose 20% of their country.
It must be really hard for NAFOtrannies to explain that this is called winning.

>>510412009
k

>>510408524
>The war objective was different at the start of the operation, it changed when zelensky refused to hold the terms of the Istanbul peace deal. War objectives changed to war of attrition and taking the land by force (Donbass).

lets be real fellow zigger, the russians always intended to take kiev and odessa by force, they just underestimated how much force it would take

why do retarded npcs keep correlating territory or destroyed vehicles with winning? what is winning? ukraine has depleted the majority of it's fighting aged males. russia hasn't even started actual conscription. russia is clearly grinding ukraine down, it can afford to. when your country is kidnapping people in vans to send them to the frontlines, it's literally over.

>>510414130
How do you know unless Russia actually leverages that to actually do something?

>>510414389
it's just common sense. ukraine will have to be "rebuilt" by virtually all metrics after the war. population. military. economy. infrastructure. you name it. that just means guaranteed foreign ownership on all levels. russia will have to recover too, that was us/nato proxy war goals obviously, but russia at least has the manpower, economy, and infrastructure to do so in decent turn around time. ukraine is essentialy zimbabwe without complete foreign reconstruction.

>>510402414
why so mad at nothing happening? lmao

>>510414940
Yeah piggers are toast, the last one gets meat cubed in one of the border oblasts, then the russians can march on the remaining territories without much resistance, only babuskas and kvetching jews like the green gnome of Kiev will remain. The Monke has to bag all of Ukraine now, or at least landlock it, to not lose face. Ukies are in debt for centuries and many many generations, that is a fix, to US and EU jews. It gave a great boost to the weapons industry, and cleaned house of old armaments, which was one of the goals all along. Piggies can thank their piano faggot comedian for it.
Whatever happens, Ukraine is over and lost, no question, it's up to Pootin how big the score will be. As seen in WW2, russians don't value soldier's life too much, only the end result matters.

Was it worth it for them? At this point, it feels inevitable that muskikes, niggers and pajeet paki bengalis will be brought into Russia to help with their demographic issues.

>>510414940
Sounds like you don't know and are speculating.
>>510415260
Don't be angry.