Thread 510421044

>i should be able to play online games without an internet connection
are gamers too retarded to deserve political rights?

>>510421044 (OP)
Are you making the point that billion dollar corporations should be able to tell you what to do with something you bought and paid for

>>510421044 (OP)
>Single player games should require an online connection and if you dont support Israel they should be allowed to cut off access to something you paid for
Only greedy kikes and their stupid golems are against "stop killing games"

>>510421044 (OP)
Nobody is making the point that online games should not require connection.
They're saying you should be able to make private servers if a studio is dropping their official ones you fucking troglodyte transvest

4Turd?

>>510421044 (OP)
I think this movement is so pointless. Is there any game worth "saving" with this law that isn't dogshit to begin with?

>>510421044 (OP)
I'm so sick of indians on this board I just gotta say op you should fuck off honestly

>>510421226
Typical brazilnigger opinion
>I'm poor so everybody should get stepped on just like me

>>510421044 (OP)
Nigga just add a StartLocalServer.exe to the last update ever for your game how hard is it

>>510421276
I have 800 games on Steam, stay seething bitch.

>>510421044 (OP)
>here purchase some 1s and 0s to run on your computer
>no not like that

>>510421044 (OP)
>what is p2p, LAN and custom servers
I don't know but you're certainly more retarded than them.

>>510421226
It's not about whether the game is worth saving, it's about whether publishers should have the right to disable games that you paid money for. Millions of people paid $60 for Ubisoft's The Crew and they can no longer play it because Ubisoft decided to switch off the servers one day.

>>510421226
No, all the games worth saving have already been saved.

>>510421044 (OP)
>are gamers too retarded to deserve political rights?
Yes, they are degenerate cucks that coom to having their money stolen. Why do you think gacha games exist at all in any capacity? Because there is at least one fucking faggot out there that keeps giving these kleptophiles money and exposure. Good things are possible, but people usually do not deserve any of them.
/thread

>>510421044 (OP)
Ross Scott is based as fuck and you should kys

>>510421044 (OP)
> i paid 60$ for Game and now i can't play it because the company shut down all the dedicated leaderboard servers to force people to buy Game 2

>Game (and Game 2) are 95% singleplayer

>>510421044 (OP)
Hey retard just because you got chased off of /v/ doesn't mean you're gonna find any welcome here

>>510421389
>>510421138
>>510421141
>>510421199
well, how do you plan on playing an online game without an internet connection?
spill the beans as you will

>>510421044 (OP)
I'm sure you'll keep talking smack if that dude said it to your face while wearing an HEV suit and holding a crowbar.

>>510421044 (OP)
why are new zealand niggers so fucking stupid? Did you fuck the maoris too much?

>>510421317
Now imagine steam eliminates 3/4ths of them because hosting them requires space and server maintenance and then when you tell them more than half of those games were single player games that didn't need updates they call you an antisemite and tell you people won't be able to make games anymore because you want the option to be able to still play crash bandicoot(a completely single player game that could fit on a cd 20 years ago)

>EA Waffen released source codes
EA Waffen > Indieslop???

>>510421481
LAN party.

>>510421465
i never bought The Crew

>>510421481
Why not read the petition you unbelievable brainlet. Ross is proposing that the law is changed so that publishers of live service games are legally obligated to leave the game in a playable state offline. Any live service game would have to budget for providing some means of continuing play offline once servers are taken down. The only reason publishers don't do this currently is they don't have to and it costs money. Changing the law would require them to do so, and be forced to budget for it upfront. The fact that people can pay $60-$80 and only be able to play a game while the publisher feels like keeping the server up is obscene and borderline theft.

>>510421481
I dunno something crazy like running it off a local server or some kind of offline functionality, these are concepts that existed not even a decade ago.

>>510421044 (OP)
if purchasing isn't ownership, piracy isn't theft

>>510421536
if 3/4 of the games were gone, then he would still have 200 games to play

>>510421560
what do you mean you can just use a lan cable to connect two computers with eachother ? NO INTERNET ATTACHED ???

>>510421481
>Purposefully misrepresenting the argument
Why should I need an Internet connection to play a single player game. So your authoritarian government can ban me for political comments I made somewhere else?

>>510421593
Zoomers weren't alive when games used to come bundled with the .exe to run a dedicated server, so they think it's impossible

>>510421560
>>510421652
WTF I CANT EVEN...
this is like playing playstation with your buddy but everyone has their OWN MONITOR ? NO SPLITSCREEN ????
YoUHaVeGoTtoBeKiDdInGmE

>>510421572
right but they designed their games to specifically require an internet connection, so there in lies the problem that the games will not be playable when you can no longer connect to the game.

>>510421652
This.
we could even pass cables across the ocean floor to have huge LAN parties to fill an entire fortnite lobby.

>>510421727
They literally just need to patch the game before abandoning it to include the server exe. It's not that complicated.

What bothers me isn't the lack of dedicated servers or source code or whatever. It's companies going out of their way to fuck over existing games to force people to buy sequels.

The Crew is a great example of this. It used to have a mode to play offline. They removed that with a patch, then shut down the servers. Now you can't play it AT ALL (unless you're a pirate).


Ubisoft did something sorta-similar with TrackMania 2. They downgraded the graphics on it to get people to buy Trackmania 2020. Not nearly as bad... but still, wtf.

>>510421481
So you're just an retarded indian, got it thanks

>>510421727
You're actually fucking retarded if you think the game devs don't have a way to run their online game locally for testing. They just scrub it when the game goes gold.

>>510421630
You should kill yourself

>>510421774
COD is the worst for this. They intentionally sabotage the old games to discourage people from playing them, so the old, often far superior games aren't competing with the latest $60 slop

>>510421774
>>510421664
>>510421833
Do you suggest we retvrn to playing in video arcades so that we may bully trannys there with physical violence?
I'm not against the idea, but I doubt the same government that protects trannys would be for it.

>>510421944
Retvrn to open world pvp irl!?

>>510421809
So you want to play games in an Unreal Engine testing map with dev textures and target dummies?
I'm not sure what that is helping.

it's called a 'private server' you double nigger

>>510421317
Kek what a fucking loser

>>510422062
You mean those places filled with tranny jannies who ban me for saying nigger?

>>510422062
The point is private servers currently have to be reverse engineered which is extremely labor intensive. Ross is lobbying to force publishers to supply private servers on live service games, so people can continue playing the game they paid for, even when the publisher loses interest in running servers for it.

>>510422033
Did you get away from your handler?

>>510422140
So instead of selling their game for like a million dollars to a professional studio, they should give up on it for some random tranny to run a private server for free?
Interesting idea, I'm sure it will help save games.

>>510422140
>Ross is lobbying to force publishers to supply private servers on live service games
* once they shut down the official servers.
They don't have to supply them while the official servers are still active.

Dedicated Servers!?
LOST TECHNOLOGY JUST LIKE THE SATURN V BLUEPRINTS NOW QUIET DOWN GOY

>>510422231
>Hold game IP for decade+
>Release for free out of nowhere
EA Waffen wins again??

>if I use the word tranny surely /pol/ will be on my side!!
Fuck off retard.

>>510422425
dilate

>>510422231
Or they could... yaknow... keep running the dedicated servers.
It's not like hosting a 10 year old game with only 1% of it's playerbase is going to be expensive on modern sytems. Chuck that shit in a docker container lmao. Run it off of a raspi in some intern's closet.

>>510422480
You have ZERO counter-arguments you drooling insipid fuck.

>>510421761
I know this might be a WILD concept to a zoomer, but Steam isn't the only entity that's capable of running servers for others to connect to.
What people are asking for is the ability to run their own private servers after the official game shuts down. That's all.
You know that anybody can buy a VPS and host a game server for like $10/month? It's not hard for people who know shit about technology.

>>510422540
thats not an argument, u are just mad cos trans

>>510421138
Read your terms of service. You do not get to dictate them. Just don’t buy it if you don’t agree, you manchild.

>>510421044 (OP)
Look at them, shitscared of going out.

>>510421044 (OP)
I have no idea what this is about but I based my politics off aesthetics and this guy is very ugly so whatever he is for, I am against.

>>510422566
I once ran the school's Minecraft server, which eventually shutdown. Should I be sued?

>>510422566
I know this is a wild concept to you, but you don’t own your games. Don’t like owning licenses instead of products? Then don’t buy it. I don’t spend $8k on a Taylor Swift concert because I don’t agree with the product either

>>510422492
In theory, hypothetically, they could do those things. But they might not do it. Whose is to say what is right and what is wrong?

Guys... guys listen, LISTEN, why not we just all stop gaming, and prepare to go to war, like real hot war, in the next 5 years? Get fit, find a woman fuck her, make some children, and go real life FPS, Drone wars, or space wars, and leave the life server.

>>510422566
>I know this might be a WILD concept to a zoomer,
It shouldn't be wild to zoomzooms. Everyone who's ever touched minecraft knows about that stuff.
Maybe to gen alpha?

>>510422713
>Should I be sued?
If you were selling access to it as a one-time purchase, yes.

>>510421044 (OP)
You should have some form of plan when you decide to end online support for your game beyond the consumers being fucked over. You can release the server binary so people can host the servers locally or let people setup their own community server to continue playing.

For games that include single player, you could flip a switch to enable local play for "online only" games. You can also design your game in such a way going forward that this becomes a non-issue.

There are plenty of emulators of decades old nes/snes games etc. The only thing that allows games to drop off the face of the Earth never to be played again by any means is effective legislation that stops this paradigm.

>>510422582
>sell a product
>actually it's a service tricked you lol no refunds
Most game ToS's aren't even fully enforceable under the letter of the law, they just bank on people never actually reading them.

>>510422239
Yeah that's completely fine. If the official servers are still running, there's no reason to make a private server available. All anyone cares about is that it remains playable. The publisher shouldn't be burdened with running servers indefinitely. Let the community take care of it after the game stops being profitable and they want to shut it down

>>510422582
Or how about we change the laws to fuck billion dollar companies
Why should I give a fuck about them you rage baiting faggot?

>You don’t own it because the law says!!!
Ok I’ll have the law changed
Also kys

>>510422738
Another boring troll post
>I-if I just do nothing eventually things will get better and not worse!!!
Again you’re a faggot
These companies deserve no protection but you’ll do it for 1/100th of the dopamine you used to get from trolling 16 years ago
Pathetic existence

>>510421044 (OP)
>e-celeb B finds way to cause a ruckus with e-celeb A over some issue that most of the crowd (gamers) are too fucking retarded to even understand so he can increase his sub/viewer count and gain more cash
Get goatsed!
SAGE

>>510422795
So the developers who still struggle to give us road maps for their upcoming updates, should start projecting 20 years into the future and plan for outcomes?
Intriguing to say the least! Please elaborate.

>>510422950
>should start projecting 20 years into the future and plan for outcomes?

Here's the plan:
"Game finished? Upload dediserver.exe"
What's so hard about that?

>>510422950
This is a dumb fucking thread man. Games were still including dedicated server binaries as recently as a decade ago. It's very easy for developers to start doing this again. They don't want to because it might impact the sales for the next game, if people are able to continue happily playing the old game. There is no technical restriction preventing server binaries from being included.

>>510422950
If they're running a live service model they should have an end of life/sunset plan, yes.

>>510422931
>he thinks Ross cares about making money
Your flag tells me enough.

>>510423052
Developers making more money means they'll make more games.

>>510421560
>This BTFO op
based

>>510423253
> In 2024, the revenue from the worldwide gaming market was estimated at almost 455 billion U.S. dollars

They already make container ship loads of money every year, they don't need more money, they need to allow people to continue to play games they paid for and the EU parliament is likely to force them to do so soon.

>>510422950
If a developer studio knows a law exists then they will make the necessary considerations during the design phase of the game to account for this later necessity. It is only current games that they will need to scramble for to come up with a plan where they don't have one currently.

For online games it is almost a universal solution to simply release the server binary and database model to allow users to host the game locally for their existing client to connect to. Better solutions that don't require as much setup from the customer are possible though if things were planned for up front.

>>510423427
>It is only current games that they will need to scramble for to come up with a plan where they don't have one currently.
They'll just not make the law retrospective. Any existing game would be excluded. Any newly released game starting from 2028 or some date in the future would need to adhere to it. Nobody is inconvenienced then.

>>510421044 (OP)
you dont own something if you constantly have to ask the supplier if you're allowed to use it

>>510421138
Name 10 games that have been "killed". I'll wait.

>>510423427
>It is only current games that they will need to scramble for to come up with a plan where they don't have one currently.
They don't even need to scramble even. Just keep hosting the official servers for the dwindling playerbase until they figure it out. Server hosting costs for a 10 year old game with only 1% of it's original playerbase are going to be extremely cheap. Run that shit off a dell optiplex in some closet and have an intern be tasked with running apt-get update && apt-get upgrade every few weeks.

>>510422950
What's it like simping for people who are, according to you, bad at their jobs?

>>510421044 (OP)
Turn off your VPN schlomo

>>510423513
Maybe for past games that are already dead, but for existing games that are still making money through online play or being sold there is no reason not to make developers add a feature to their board to plan a bare-bones solution out.

>>510423647
There's a whole list.

https://stopkillinggames.wiki.gg/wiki/Dead_game_list

>>510423726
And also demanding that they get more money for being bad at their jobs.
>>510423253

>>510421138
> to tell you what to do with something you bought and paid for
You bought and paid for a service.
The service ended. That's it. There's no drama.

Gamers should stop being fucking RETARDS and stop paying for games as services.
If there're tens of thousands of games that work totally fine with no internet and you choose to waste money on the few hundred that do, it's your goddamn fault. Fuck you.

This shit in the end will just be more regulation, more goverment and less freedom.

>>510423735
US and Europe relations are at an all-time low, so perhaps EU parliament will apply it to current games as well as future releases. Not like their relationship can get any worse.

>>510422582
>MUH TERMS OF SERVICE! J-JUST DONT BUY IT GOYIM!
Take a big step back and FUCK YOURSELF IN THE FACE, bootlicker.

>>510423914
They have a right to end the service and that's fine. Pretending that it is some monumental task to upload the server binary to a free hosting site or github though is retarded.

>>510423914
How about, no?
They can suck my dick
I will force them to do what I want and if you don’t like it come back to America you faggot McDonald’s worker/ English teacher and do something about it

Pussy
>B-but I don’t like that you’re forcing billion dollar companies to do things even though they force you to do things with their TOS

Oooh well
Faggot

I don’t care
Hahahah

>>510421044 (OP)
>i shouldnt have any consumer rights because a gay furry fake hacker told me so :)

>>510423914
>Gamers should stop being fucking RETARDS and stop paying for games as services.
So what happens when every game is developed as a service then smart guy? Which is basically what happens with every major release these days.

>>510423914
>This shit in the end will just be more regulation, more goverment and less freedom.
Regulation is the only thing that protects you from getting shit on by corporations you brainwashed retard

>>510423703
They could also not do that. Food for thought.

>>510424054
>to a free hosting site or github though
For extra meme points, stopkillinggames themselves could host a website for the game devs to upload their server binaries to.

>>510423914
>If there're tens of thousands of games that work totally fine with no internet and you choose to waste money on the few hundred that do, it's your goddamn fault. Fuck you.
It's not my fault that those tens of thousands of games are mostly indie platformslop and shit like that. I have no interest in that garbage.
There is literally NOTHING wrong with forcing corporations to be more consumer-friendly, unless you're a soulless, subhuman MBA.

>>510424182
>They could also not do that.
Yeah, and upload the server binary somewhere.
What exactly are you arguing? That it's too hard to upload a binary somewhere? That it's too hard to continue hosting dedicated servers for a few more months?

>>510423865
>>510423726
So you want game developers to work more for less? How are alligator auschwitz conditions going to help gaming? Think of the indie devs.

I don't support SKG purely because that Ross guy is incredibly ugly and balding. Listened to him speak and he has a grating voice and annoying personality.
Simple as.
Find a better messenger.

>>510422787
You certainly not. You lack the brain cells necessary.

Every single post of your is utter retarded grabage.

>>510424178
No anon you dont understand, if a corporation isn't allowed to do something, that's like, taking your freedoms away! Even though you personally are not a billion dollar corporation, you have to pretend that regulations on them are regulations on you! Please be a good little temporarily embarrassed millionaire and support megacorporate interests.

>>510424281
>So you want game developers to work more for less?
Are you seriously arguing that clicking "upload dediserver.exe" is "more work"?

>>510422787
>Whose is to say what is right and what is wrong?
We, the people.

>>510421044 (OP)
Why shouldn't I be able to play online games without an internet connection? They were made without an internet connection. It's perfectly possible.

>>510423914
>Gamers should stop being fucking RETARDS and stop paying for games as services.
Agreed 1000%. Every single time games are sold as service licenses, the default response should be an immediate rejection of the proposed title and refusal to engage with it or any discussion about it. If the game can be purchased, accessed at any point, played at any point, and the perpetuity of this point of sale persists beyond the Publisher's own decisions on whether or not you can access, it can be considered sufficient for a purchase. Anything short of this agreement is admittance to renting your product at full price.

>>510424144
Learn to code.

>>510424511
The adults are talking sweetheart, go shitpost somewhere else.

>>510424178
What regulations have ever helped somebody?

>>510421044 (OP)
We used to have several online games that were able to function without any assistance from the studio. Valve could shut down all of TF2's servers tomorrow and I'd still be able to play lan matches with friends or play on community ran servers. Doom never even HAD official servers and to this day you can play deathmatch whenever you like.

The concept that online games need a major studio to keep it alive is just propaganda to keep players from realizing how much modern online experiences are nickel and diming you, because who's gonna be paying for battle passes and map packs if you could just play on a community made server that has everything available to use whenever you feel like it

>>510424555
very low quality bait, 0/10 apply yourself

>>510424474
Most live service games aren't sold at all. They are free to play games and the purchase never happened. People play them not because they are retards but because they are poor, most of them living in Brazil, India, China, Russia.
The only live service games that are sold are those from big companies with big IPs where they feel like they can get away with it.
If the SKG thing passed it would put an end to buying games and they would all just switch to the free to play model. The initial sales are just a fraction of the money they make, they could easily take the loss on sales and go all f2p and get their money from selling hats. Then you have no contract and the dev has no obligation to keep the game alive, because you didn't buy the 60 dollar game, you bought a 120 dollar hat.

>>510424630
Name one regulation is all I ask.

>>510424565
The best selling game ever, Minecraft, operated in the same way. Dedicated, community run servers were (and still are, realms fucking sucks) the best way to play multiplayer.

If anything, companies should look at minecraft's success and use that as a model instead.

Even some modern day popular esports titles, like CS2, have community run dedicated servers.

>>510424555
Regulations are necessary to curb corporate greed from overstepping into what is harmful for consumers and the public at large. There are plenty of regulations that do NOT do that which are unnecessary and used to prevent fair competition. A lot of regulations can also be renamed to being simple guidelines when it comes to trades and what you can/cannot do with your own property.

>>510421138
You bought and paid for a license to play their game on their servers

>>510424555
Fire codes

>>510424742
SKG supporters probably do want to spend all their wagie bucks on more hats.
Personally I wear a ghastly gibus that I got for free. Plus I spam nigger in the chat.

>>510424799
Name one regulation that helps the people.

>>510424742
SKG doesn't actually go into any details or requirements that companies would have to follow. It is a simple requirement that companies need to do "something" beyond just pulling the plug.

Your idea would likely skirt around this legislation unless it is explicitly called out. You seem to be under the misunderstanding that this potential legislation is some kind of hardship that companies would need to avoid and would result in actively making plans to do so. Why are you under the impression developers are okay with effectively erasing their own work instead of contributing it to history/collections that people can enjoy a century from now.

>>510421044 (OP)
Why not? We are just demanding the server code, because that's a large part of the game.

Like you sell us a game, we deserve to actually have the game, the whole game.

Like the game, all of it.

We don't want there to be such a thing as games which are entirely online.

If it's a game, it should be free, and you should give me a waifu right now.

>>510422582
Actually we do get to dictate to them, in the form of consumer regulations, which is what's being done. Better call up Rajesh and the team and tell them they're working overtime for the next 8 months to port your always online globohomo slop to a stand alone with p2p networking which I am promptly going to mod all niggers and non-sex slave women out of.

>>510425135
Tranny wrangling laws.

>>510425258
People should do something. I am very smart.

>>510424178
Regulations protect a few actors. While suffering a bit, the cost is very cheap compared to the gain of no competition. Cause that is what you will get, the biggest greedy companies will be the only one allowed to please some ignorants demands, and they will be happy because the cute furry indie developer team you love won't be able to supply such imposition, leaving their shitty products as the only ones in the market. But hey at least you will get online bro

>>510425370
Those are laws not regulations.

>>510424872
I don't think SKGgers know what they want. They just support it to virtue signal and because it sounds like the right thing to do.
I can't think of any game that anyone actually wants to ''save'' that devs are pulling the plug on.
The closest thing I can think of is World of Warcraft and how annoying it is that Blizzard tries to shut down private servers, but I don't think they'll continue trying to shut down servers after they close their own. What would be the point?
Every game that gets killed when devs pull the plug was not worth saving. Having devs be legally obligated to keep the game in a playable state would just incentivize people to keep buying these shit games.

>>510425424
Semantics.

>>510425421
99% of indie devs don't even do online only GaaS releases. The only reason Mr. Mana Gem is so against SKG is because he's like the only fucking indie dev who wants to do that for some reason.

>>510421044 (OP)
there`s more nuance to it then that

they are saying "let others run the servers if the game devs dont want to pay for it"

and "when its a single player game anyways there is no need for this"

NUANCE
NUANCE
WHY DOES NOBODY HAVE
ANY
FUCKING
NUANCE

>>510425135
Dupont was one of the companies responsible for creating non-stick coatings whose manufacturing process created forever chemicals that have infected all of humanity and even the untouched areas of nature through rainfall. You have some parts per billion of these fluoride compounds in your body right now and they include in medical blood tests to determine potential health complications.

Preventing companies from dumping harmful chemicals that can find there way to contaminating the water sources you use is a pretty important one.

>>510425565
to make it clear what i mean there are single player games that "need" to connect online to work and they get shut down

>>510425430
>Having devs be legally obligated to keep the game in a playable state would just incentivize people to keep buying these shit games.
How would that incentivize people buying new games? The whole point is I want to play X game whenever I want which is antithetical to the existing live service models when new games come out. Big devs and publishers don't want to compete against themselves at all because that would limit their own potential sales from player base fracturing. I really don't know what you mean when you make this statement.

>>510425421
You're acting like providing server binaries is some outrageously complex undertaking. Developers regularly did this in the 1990s and 2000s. You are unbelievably ignorant.

>>510423795
>oh no my gacha slop and microtransactions
name a good game that has been killed

>>510425496
He is a mentally ill retard with delusions of grandeur. He is against piracy and is upset that there would be a single player in the world who gets to play his game for free. He wants his game to be 100% piracy free and if SKG succeeds in any way he may be legally required to change his game. But he is a really bad coder so making these games playable without his really shitty homemade DRM is so much work it would take him years of coding to change it.
His hate for SKG is as simple as it being easier for him to try and shut down SKG than it would be for him to patch his game.

>>510421044 (OP)
i agree, if you want to play "offline games" just play board games

>>510425565
Jews and political extremists hate nuance

>>510425657
Are people more or less likely to buy a game like Concord knowing that the devs won't pull the plug and the game will be playable even if it flops?
Would people be more likely to buy Concord if they could right now fire up a private server and play with their friends?

>>510421044 (OP)
>LEAVE THE MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR GAME COMPANIES ALONE

>>510421044 (OP)
The crew's online features are just DRM, leaderboards, and advertisements, so hell yes. Get rid of that shit. Until they patched it out you could literally disconnect your internet after logging in, and play the game just fine.

op shitposting
but good job on bringing up the topic

>>510425832
>Are people more or less likely to buy a game like Concord knowing that the devs won't pull the plug and the game will be playable even if it flops?
I think it would affect sales somewhat positively yeah, since you don't have to gamble on whether a game would get shutdown suddenly.

>Would people be more likely to buy Concord if they could right now fire up a private server and play with their friends?
No because if there was a pserver for Concord the got shutdown. The reason games like WoW had pserver competition for so long before Classic was because people were highly motivated to get the server architecture running for a state of the game that they enjoyed. In fact most MMO pservers are for MMOs that are fucking dead and have zero capacity to be played officially. If Concord was still being supported the chances of a pserver being active concurrently would be very minimal.

>>510421044 (OP)
>STOP BULLYING THE JEWS THEYS GUD BOIS WHO JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE SOMETHING NICE FOR A FAIR PRICE

>>510421572
but this is just retarded and is going to completely kill off experimental game design. you dont go to an arcade and say well i spent 20 on pinball last time why dont i get to play free now? or to a resturaunt and demand the same meal you paid for last time but now free. it takes effort on peoples behalf to keep servers online and functional i dont understand why this is different from every other service in the economy

>>510425832
I liked BRINK even though it was almost universally panned. There are server binaries you can run for it. Too bad i don't know anyone who wants to play it.

>>510426124
>shoving online service shit into everything and hiring ranjeet who only knows how to piece together existing third party software functionality is experimental game design
abortive game design m8

>>510421809
>They just scrub it when the game goes gold.
Unless they're Bandai Namco Online with Gundam Evolution. Those retards baked dedicated server code into the CLIENT. The game shutdown after 1 year of service and had a private server 3 months later.
>>510422033
Most retarded kiwi

>>510426124
SKG isn't asking them to keep servers online in perpetuity, it's asking for devs to account for an eventual end of service plan and make accommodations to allow the product to remain playable. Despite the hand wringing of AAA publishers games are still products being sold with no explicit declaration of an end of life plan. You are never informed when a game may be shutdown as it is wholly to their discretion, which is an unfair consumer practice for a product. A restaurant provides a service and the contract ends once the bill is produced and paid, there is no expectation of continued service beyond this point.

>>510426124
>it takes effort on peoples behalf to keep servers online and functional
Who is asking for ongoing support? Just make the binary available and the community will do the rest. TF2 already does this

>>510426124
>go to arcade
>buy an old cabinet from the owner
>take it home, set it up, play it for a month
>it stops working
>ask owner why
>he says because he now wants to sell you a different cabinet.

>>510425720
If he is worried about piracy he can continue to do exactly as he is already doing. Just when it comes time to pull the plug on his authentication server all he will have to do is release a patch so his old games no longer require that check. This can be as simple a development task as commenting out 1 line of code or switching a boolean from true to false.

>>510426114
So you don't disagree. The point is simple. If people have a protection in place that makes sure shitty live service games keep being playable, they don't have to think about it.
If people get burned by games like Concord then they will be more cautious about their spending. Of course it won't apply to every single consumer, maybe it's 5%, maybe it's 1%, maybe 0.5%. I don't want people to just keep buying terrible live service games because daddy government will take care of the issues and make sure their money doesn't get stolen.
I'd rather see Blizzard steal that money and then their stock drop by 50% and them suffer massive layoffs and Blizzard get tainted forever with the black mark.

>>510421044 (OP)
>zoomzoom can't into LAN parties

but if they give you the binary how will they stop you from enjoying something you've bought and paid for because of some retarded American licensing agreement they made with a bunch of two-bit Hollywood childfuckers???????

>>510421044 (OP)
this is gamergate 2.0. you better give us everything we want or in 10 years this will lead to you know who getting elected.

>>510426334
You clearly don't know who this PirateSoftware retard is. It will legit take years for him code the game into a playable state.
This guy is YanDev tier. Maybe worse because YanDev could make a playable game.
>This can be as simple a development task as commenting out 1 line of code or switching a boolean from true to false
He has all sorts of spaghetti code tied to achievements. Everything he has coded would break completely and make the game unplayable. There is no single value he can just change from true to false and end up with a playable game.

>>510426355
>I don't want people to just keep buying terrible live service games because daddy government will take care of the issues and make sure their money doesn't get stolen.
The problem is, 99.9% of vidya buyers are absolutely retarded. Very few of them think "is this actually a good game" or "will this still be playable in 3 years"? Most of them see game in youtube or twitch and then press buy.
It's why Gacha games are so popular. Do you think the average Gacha player actually thinks "will i really enjoy playing this? Do i really need to spend all that money every week just to unlock shitty skins?". No, they don't.

>>510424851
I don't ever remember seeing the word "license" in the box of any game i ever bought. Minus that goofy nintendo sticker.

pro consumer laws anger the bootstrap american

>>510421044 (OP)
OP? you're picrel

>>510426509
He will never release anything playable. He was a QA tester at Blizzard, he has no programming background, any qualification in programming or the requisite brainpower to do anything beyond sharing his stupid opinions on Twitch.

>>510426509
He could release the auth server in 10 years then.
Don't even need to make any changes to the code. Just tell the retards who still want to play the game to throw 127.0.0.1 myshittygameauth.piratefaggot.com in their hosts file.

>>510421572
It's jewish

>>510426355
I get what you mean but at the same time I really don't want these huge conglomerates and corporations to get away with fleecing retards. Eventually that trickles down into just fucking up everything for everybody. I'd rather protect the retards so I don't get fucked too, but it would be nice if people did practice better buying habits.

>>510425720
Completely wrong. He's against it because it's the first position that occurred to him to take, and he will not change his mind on it. That's all there is to it with people that behave that way.

>>510426509
This is still a very simple case though. Just release the server binary of whatever his game talks to. People can run whatever bullshit he is hosting himself and point the DNS to their local machine.

In the future though he might be more thoughtful due to this legislation and make it a simple boolean instead of being retarded when designing single player games.

>>510426308
>it's asking for devs to account for an eventual end of service plan
so you want to enshrine planned obsolescence into law?

>>510421044 (OP)
>i should be able to play online games without an internet connection
Source.

>>510426745
Did you learn to talk to people from your abusive single mother or something? Goddamn man.

>>510421317
600 of which are humble bundle dogshit titles and F2P noname titles. I got over 1100 Titles in my library but ill be honest with more than half of ot being shit you get handed in bundles or for free. Some games also come with multiple versions

>>510421044 (OP)
piratebros show us how its done

>>510426745
No, it's planned permanence since I would still be able to play the product for as long as I wish. Like every game made before 2014. As it stands right now the current practice is unplanned obsolescence, since shutdown notices are often arbitrary and last minute.

>>510426833
it's time to go back
>>510426924
you'll play offline by yourself because the publisher isn't going to risk running a failing game if it loses players before it's forecasted end date. they're always going to end it early, release the shittiest offline version they can because they don't want free versions of the game competing with their product, and then push out the new version with all the features they deliberately left out of the first game

>>510426686
It's a stupid tax. The problem is that stupid people aren't taxed enough and they are bred on purpose through aid, welfare and immigration.
Stupid people have too many protections and every time the government steps in to protect them, they are just kicking the can down the road. All while the average IQ is going down every year and there will be even more retards in the future.
Ideally these people would get the stupid tax and they would run out of money, they couldn't afford food and rent, which would lead to them having less children or going homeless or they would stop giving money to EA. But they have welfare.

Protecting people from predatory video game companies just makes these retards someone else's problem. All the money they save not giving to Blizzard will then be spent to import cheap chink shit from Temu or they'll get a Hulu and Netflix subscription. They can afford it because the government won't just let them die in peace. It's fighting evolution and not letting the population adapt to a new predator.

>>510427113
>it's time to go back
I dont care how much she talks about me, I'm not spending another night with your bitch mother, okay?

>>510426124
The equivalent would be ordering a meal and halfway through they take your utensils and drink away.

>>510425613
Poisoning people is illegal, not a regulation.

>>510427113
So you're saying a developer would intentionally invest into and develop a game poorly to trick players with a shitty offline/private server version of that game then just make the real game next time? That sounds like a really amazing way to completely tank the company after the first game. This is some real Down Syndrome Machiavellian shit.

>>510421044 (OP)
mana gem

>>510426332
You know what they say. Play Jewish games win Jewish prizes.

>>510421044 (OP)
You fucking dumb nigger go back to the jungle and kill yourself

>>510421044 (OP)
Why would you ever be against this? It forces the following:
>games that require servers will have the server software released
>games that require logins will have that section patched out unless its easy enough to patch in new accounts (database structure release)
>in game stores patched to give items for in game currency or free
>a source code release in the event a company can no longer patch a game to work on modern systems
This is all it does. It is barely any skin off the neck of the company other than to jew people into buying the next instalments.

>online game without an internet connection
>what are local servers
>what is localhost
You're a tech illiterate nigger.

>>510427406
Sounds like a great scam. Generate AI cinematic trailers for your "game" to rake in preorder sales. Host your game on an amazon micro server and turn it off on day 2 since the customers agreed to undefined duration service contracts. Company name gone to shit? Just make a new one.

>>510427679
People form weird parasocial relationships with corporations and defend them online for free. The internet was a mistake

>>510425680
Moving Goal Posts (TM): The weapon of the shameless niggers

>>510421304
Well what if their server uses GCP Pub/Sub or something along the lines? You aren't gonna be able to run it anywhere outside of GCP.

>>510424555
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swill_milk_scandal
This is the natural state of every single corporation.
>The New York Times reported an estimate that in one year, 8,000 infants died from swill milk.
>In May 1858, Frank Leslie's Illustrated Newspaper did a landmark exposé of the distillery-dairies of Manhattan and Brooklyn that marketed so-called swill milk that came from cows fed on distillery waste and then adulterated with water, eggs, flour, and other ingredients that increased the volume and masked the adulteration.[8] Swill milk dairies were noted for their filthy conditions and overpowering stench both caused by the close confinement of hundreds (sometimes thousands) of cows in narrow stalls where, once farmers tied them, they would stay for the rest of their lives, often standing in their own manure, covered with flies and sores, and suffering from a range of virulent diseases. These cows were fed boiling distillery waste, often leaving the cows with rotting teeth and other maladies. The milk drawn from the cows was routinely adulterated with water, rotten eggs, flour, burnt sugar, and other adulterants with the finished product then marketed falsely as "pure country milk" or "Orange County Milk".
>In an editorial published at the height of the scandal, the New York Times described swill milk as "that bluish, white compound of true milk, pus and dirty water, which, on standing, deposits a yellowish, brown sediment, that is manufactured in the stables attached to large distilleries by running the refuse distillery slops through the udders of dying cows and over the unwashed hands of milkers..."[1]
They will do this to you whenever and wherever they can. They will poison you and murder you with absolutely no remorse. These people are animals who must be brought to heel at gunpoint to deliver quality products to consumers who should not have to be experts in every science and industry simultaneously in order not to be fucking poisoned to death.

>>510421044 (OP)
just stop making live service slop, that's all

>>510427775
Poisoning people is illegal. Not a regulation.

>>510424851
Shut the fuck up

>>510421044 (OP)

>are gamers retarded?
Yes, yes they are.

>>510426332
You are exactly correct anon. Anyone who deliberately ignores this fact is a filthy fucking kike slave who should be exterminated.

>>510427679
>>510427717
>make draconian laws that do away with centuries of intellectual property rights to appease my personal video game taste

>>510421044 (OP)
Stop killing games is just simple, common sense. You won't find anyone with your opinion. You are clearly some sort of shill. Didn't know there are many jews in New Zealand.

>>510428044
Releasing a compiled binary or bytecode doesn't grant anyone your source code. Unless you are running an interpreted language for your game this is a non-issue.

But if you were then they would already have the code in order to play it in the first place. Hypothetically you could have an interpreted server side code but you would first have to be retarded and then you would have to get mad at other people for it.

>>510428044
If buying a game isn't owning it then pirating it isn't stealing. Get fucked lol.

>>510421044 (OP)
all these gamers are retarded
they think this law is going to fix this and give them local servers again
but I tell you what is going to happen. Does the game company want to do this? No
they just wont sell you a game in the future - simple as. They dont sell you a game right now, they sell a license and while these gaming retards don't want to accept that because they cope with buying = its mine, in the future you will just buy an access pass to their service instead of "selling a product"
all this shit wont change a thing

>>510422582
the corporations should read the laws once they're passed. they don't get to dictate them.
just don't sell services as products in Europe, you manchild.

>>510421044 (OP)
you're retarded
or
you're maliciously misrepresenting what he said

pick one

>>510428449
Once the service is EOL they still will have to provide a way to play it. Subscription based or not doesn't make a difference here.

>>510421044 (OP)
Define 'online games'.

>>510428449
Well at least they'd be advertising their games properly in that case.

>>510428437
>pirate a live service game

It's not just about gaming. End user quality of software in general depends on SKG and subsequent movements succeeding. Lines of good code should not be treated as fruit that spoils in a week.
Have you heard how the Apollo 11 mission is not reproducible anymore, or how the DoD has to reverse engineer their own old technologies because contractors went out of business? This is easily avoidable in computers.

I support mhu gamers' rights because I want to see the collapse of the fake and gay vidya industry.

>>510421044 (OP)
>>510422582
>>510423914
>>510424851
your jewish companies will do what zionist
EU says or ELSE

>>510428574
Those aren't laws, they are regulations.

>>510428660
>Subscription based or not doesn't make a difference here.
more gaming cope
the whole argument hinges on because previously everyone pressed the "buy" button
but If the gaming companies just tell you flat out this is going away, "its an experience" you cant come with the argument I bought it I can have access forever. no other service you can just keep as long as you want.

>>510428756
thats the only thing that is coming from this

>>510428778
Oh no, how will we ever contact the gay niggers or build enough bombs for israel?

>>510428592
>what he said
I ran what he said through retard translator with over 300 retardnese languages, and it couldn't decipher a single coherent sentence. Definitely not a me issue.

>>510428858
You don't understand what it's about. It's about game EOL plans, buying or paying monthly makes no difference. They must have plans in place for when the game is EOL / discontinued. Once that happens they have to ensure the game is left in a playable state, how exactly this is achieved isn't specified, but one option is to provide downloads for the server binaries so anyone can run their own server.

>>510421481
DUDE ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED???

THATS HOW ALL GAMING WAS UNTIL FUKCING 7TH GENERATION!!!!

LOCAL MULTIPLAYER, PRIVATE SERVERS, LAN

YOU FUCKING IDIOT

It's still really funny that he thought people here would be somehow uninformed on this subject. Now all he can do is just make these embarrassing posts.

>>510429110
Muhammad, if you wanna keep playing your Aisha game then you can keep at it in your own sandbox. You aren't going to tell us civilised folk what games we are allowed to play.

>>510421044 (OP)
Yes should be able to host my games or play offline if games cost 70-80$ now I should be able to do that

>>510429103
and you dont get what I am telling you
you can dream about EOL law for games all you want - its not going to fly that just because gamers are retarded a gaming company has to provide plans for the future if they want to make an experience for 3 years. not a product to sell you.
if you go on a ride on a fair you wont have a right to go on the ride forever just because you bought a ticket

>>510422713
Did you sell access for it as a 1 time purchase without telling anyone when the expiry date of the server was?

>>510429319
>civilized
>gacha slop

FUUUUCK YOOOOOOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>510429438
Your right, I should have made a time machine so I could let the players in present day know exactly when the server will be shutdown.

>>510421044 (OP)
it's time someone fought the kikes on digital rights, I sick of their shit
>car sells for 30k
>car has all these features locked behind bs subscription
I sick tired of kikes saying i need a subscription service to use a tire change kit cause it's software locking,locking the tire change kit box.

>>510421560
This. The online only shit was figured out as soon as computer games got an internet connection. You could host your own servers and if you didn't want to, you could just have a big LAN party.
I swear, most of these posters shitting on the initiative are either corpo shills or retarded zoomers who never touched an old game on PC.

>>510421044 (OP)
kek the fud against skg gets more and more retarded each passing day

>>510421044 (OP)
Why is Jason Hall making threads on fucking /pol/ about shit even /v/ wouldn't fucking tolerate?

Learn how to write a for-loop, Jason. Stop calling all your dad's friends to come cape for your retarded bullshit. You keep going and people are going to dig into your blood lineage and find out who you really are.

It would be interesting if this were simply a psychological tactic to persuade companies to accept f2p more, which jewish investors favor, by inducing them to avoid regulations on paid games using kosher logic.
From an investor's perspective, they are aggressively promoting f2p to all video game development companies, turning everything into an unstable gamble where they either monopolize the global market and make huge profits or go bankrupt.
They diversify their investments to mitigate there own risk, and they don't care about the important things that are lost in the process within the company, and the more unstable the company becomes, the more dependent it becomes on (((investors.)))

>>510429586
Everything going against skg was always retarded. The online only problem was figured out 20+ years ago. The main reason we have so much online only shit is because of greedy corporate executives and companies that would like to nickle and dime players for a few seasons before shutting it all down nixing access even to the single player portions of it.

>>510429393
I think you're misunderstanding the whole point of stop killing games. Going with your analogy, if the company providing the ride goes out of business or they no longer want to provide it, they would need an EOL plan, either sell the ride to another company that keeps it going or it would get nationalized by the government.
The whole point is to preserve the ride, how that exactly happens doesn't matter as long as the ride never ends.

>>510421044 (OP)
I remember someone made a Overwatch clone called Lawbreakers and I bought that shit for 20 bucks I think, and not even a month later, they shut down the servers
It would've been nice if they gave me my money back or something, idk, but that's my only relevant experience to this Stop Killing Games thing

>>510424555
apple warranties are 2 years yurop vs 1 in USA

>>510422789
please fukcing kill yourself

>>510429797
I get your point dont worry, but its just retarded
I am telling you you wont buy a game in the future - if you are informed at purchase what you are getting (timed access) what the whole thing hinges on (they previously didn't) - meaning access to an experience not buying/owning a product.
its just not going to happen that games are going to have this special category that once you make one thing of this it has to be nationally accessible forever even though they didnt sell the game to you, just access to ride for a limited time

>>510430233
It would be fine if they explicitly told you it was for a limited time access... but they don't.

>>510430360
yes, thats what I am saying - the only thing SKG is going to do is force the game companies to change their copywriting. which is a win yes - but for every retard that thinks he is going to get server binaries in the future I am telling you wont. because they will change their copywriting before giving stuff away

>>510430444
It's almost certainly the case that the EU law anticipates this and bans it pre-emptively. EU knows how to write laws that confine the misbehavior of tech companies. GDPR upset Zuckerberg so badly, he donated heavily to Trump just to try to stop having to adhere to it.

>>510421044 (OP)
Get fucked nigger. If you're terminating the servers required for my software to work, you should be forced to release the server software too or you should refund every single user.

Faggots like you who don't get it have been listening to a certain blizzard employee faggot who couldn't code his way out of a paper bag (see; all the code reviews of his turbo furry faggot jeet-spec code)

T. Programmer with 20 years actual experience (not QA for A Billion Dollars Corp)

>>510430510
doubt it. you define misbehaviour as "they took away my games" but the laws more likely will force you to use correct copywriting.
GDPR was also just more a we force you to tell the customers whats going on. you can still get consent from EU users to give away all their data and sell or do whatever with it - you just have to inform them actually and not in a 10000line TOS

>just consoooooom conscienciesly bro
>just buy games that:
>>don't have microtransactions
>>aren't woke
>>aren't 80$ on release
>>don't have gambling/gacha
>>don't sell power
>>don't ban people for retarded shit
>>don't have performance crippling drm
>>have promised ofline play where the game shuts down
>just skip any game that has any of those
>trust the market
>do your research
oh, and this would only work if a significant number of people did this diligently for a decade

>>510425742
bitch im not going to singlehandedly change my whole fucking hobby just to do something offline.

Besides, there's games out there that are actually emulating board games.

Also, hehe I personally find video games way more fucking fun. Board games are for fucking boomers.

>>510430684
>GDPR was also just more a we force you to tell the customers whats going on
This is not it at all. There's very specific data handling requirements. You have the right to request all your data, you have right to delete your data permanently. I was working at a huge multinational company implementing it. They were shitting themselves over the potential penalties. EU laws are not to be fucked with and big American companies know it.

>>510430233
Even with timed access it would still apply as it doesn't depend on buying or purchasing at all. Even Free to Play MMO's would have to have an EOL even though you don't need to spend any money to be able to play them. With timed access, like a WoW subscription, you know exactly when your access begins and when it ends but it will still apply to WoW. (It's only an example, let's ignore the fact that stop killing games doesn't apply retroactively, only to future games.)
>that once you make one thing of this it has to be nationally accessible
It's not a requirement. It's an option, and that analogy would be equivalent to release server binaries for everyone. Game companies would likely look for other solutions first, such as licensing the server software to other companies or selling off the IP altogether because it's a better business decision. It's not about how they provide continuation of the game, it's that they do it at all.

Think of Stop Killing Games more like preserving culture, so in the future people will still be able to experience the games that they normally wouldn't be able to without it due to technical limitations (such as not having server binaries). It's possible for people to write custom servers even today to make this possible, but the amount of work required is massive and also it comes with a ton of legal issues if you would actually run your own public servers.

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>510430760
you are right these things are also in there which are good features, but the shitting themselves part is about they didnt have real consent from the user (the copywriting)

>>510423253
They're making more money than ever but games get released slower and in worse shape.

>>510430838
>AAA live service slop
>cultured
pick one

>>510421317
>I have
No you don't. You have a temporary license which can be rebooked at any time for any reason, or even no reason. And if steam goes belly up guess what happens?

>>510430760
I was working for a medium sized company and implementing GDPR requirements and we took them seriously. We practically stopped working on every other project to get compliant as fast as possible. Laws resulting from this initiative will be no different.

>>510427916
Enforcing food standards so you don't poison people is regulation. You seem to be trying to force people to argue with you based on your own made up definitions and distinctions. How much maori admixture is causing this mental retardation?

>>510430869
The slimey old boomers, trannys and niggers won't start shitting gold just because you asked the jews to yank their chain.

>>510431204
My bad I didn't realise people use the word regulation because it means the exact same thing as any other law.

>>510430702
>>>don't sell power

bruv what?

>>510430702
>murder is illegal
>it keeps happening
how could this be

>>510430838
>Think of Stop Killing Games more like preserving culture, so in the future people will still be able to experience the games
thats nice and all - a law to preserve culture is cute but now that is different from the "I bought a game and am scammed because I cant access it anymore because I dont accept licenses"
I just dont see this changing more than correctly writing what you are getting, gaming companies will just update their copywriting

>>510428044
>intellectual property rights
Should we pay tax to Greeks every time we do math because we still use classical logic principles? We have private property laws because resources are scarce, and if someone takes another's resource, like a car, the opposing party would lose that resource. Conversely, ideas can't be stolen. If I think of the same idea you thought of, you won't lose yours. You're still free to have it and do whatever you want with it. If you have shortcomings that prevent you from making use of your ideas and cause their application to fail, why should the responsibility be shifted onto me for succeeding? I'm not responsible for your failing business model.

>>510431787
>Property and Intellectual Property aren't the same thing
who would've thought.

>>510428858
Binary code is not a service
I guess you think bios is a service too

>>510421572
>You have to pay for servers for me for the rest of time
Let it go nerd, your old games aren't coming back. Go outside

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>510429438
Lol you realize every game is just going to go to a sub model then, right? You think these companies can't come up with a work around to paying forever?

>>510431927
>no argument to make
If you support intellectual property, you support stifling innovation for the sake of patent trolls and their equivalents.

>>510421481
>company takes servers offline
>let people download the host software so they can create their own server
Costs basically nothing and lets fans keep the game alive, will also keep some modicum of new sales up since it's still a playable game then.

>>510421044 (OP)
>Guy who never even played The Crew 2 is trying to force a foreign government to regulate games.
>The only games SKG will protect are going to be Fallout Shelter and Azur Lane.
The SKGroid cultists think this superfluous activism will immortalize them. Go back to KF since /v/ already rejected (You).

>>510421044 (OP)
>pic related makes globohomo corporate fags absolutely lose their minds
This issue has been solved 30 years ago and i hope vidya CEOs rope if it actually passes. I haven't bought a multiplayer game without public servers that my friends didn't goad me into getting since 2013 or 14.
No public lobby no buy. If it only has matchmaking, no buy. Sbmm and any other flavor of it has unequivocally ruined multiplayer games more than any skinner box faggotry could ever do because you can simply take it out.

>>510432161
the entire point of Intellectual Property is to fuel innovation. read a book nigger.

>>510421226
Mobius Final Fantasy was the only actually good, made with heart and soul f2p ever made. All I wished was that they made it single player. Otherwise the rest of them are cancer.

>>510433717
yo why can't i play modern games on my 30 year old pc? fucking jews

>>510433717
The zoomies have Minecraft. The globhomo fucking lost their minds that somebody would dare make a game fun and not be an online subscription service

>>510426610
Every time you agree to a EULA. Which is every game you've ever purchased your entire life.

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Levi now
https://www.twitch.tv/yatonolevi

>>510421044 (OP)
is this a hassan fan? seems about for the level of intellect

>>510435111
asmongold fan

>>510435379
found the hassan fan

>>510428044
>make draconian laws that do away with centuries of intellectual property rights to appease my personal video game taste
Yes.

>>510421044 (OP)
I got a Nintendo 64

>>510428044
>>make draconian laws that do away with centuries of intellectual property rights
stop, you have already convinced me

>>510434300
This doesn't even make sense in regards to what I was saying you fucking retarded faggot

>>510421044 (OP)
I think the argument is being able to host their own server, rather than being at the mercy of a company to support the game for eternity that won't happen.

>>510435751
r/woosh

>>510433399
It's not going to do anything to Azur Lane and other gacha. They've been clearly sold as f2p since the beginning and you pay for digital goods. At best you're going to get a disclaimer that what you're buying is not real.

>>510421138
Corporate faggotshit troons were quick to dilate and seethe at you anon
Good job

>>510421044 (OP)
If you pay $60, $70, $80 dollars for some game then you should be able to play it forever. I don't give a fuck if it's multiplayer. Make an offline mode or allow private servers. Yes faggot that's what buying and owning property means.

>>510422582
Terms of service are worthless in the EU

I’m glad I quit games. I don’t even have a PC anymore except a laptop for work.

>>510437011
Read the fine print, goyim.
You own nothing.

>>510421044 (OP)
this is how it used to be. its not "impossible", or difficult. it was literally the default option. the ability to host your own server and play "online" only games locally is 25 year old+ code.

its like building a fucking bicycle from scratch and getting it complete and realizing you forgot to install the...pedals. you would of put in the local multiplayer feature in REALLY early to TEST IT before you had a REAL ONLINE MULTIPLAYER.

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THE BIKE WORKS IF YOU DIDNT EVER TEST ANY FUCKING PEDALS. HOW DID YOU TEST THE GAME

>>510424851
The EU is renegotiating the deal, pray they don't regulate it further

>>510439257
oh and for games where its "truly impossible" to have an offline mode (its not impossible), then....its free. you absolutely can do that, if you want. if im not owning anything, and i cant use it offline, then its not a game, its a service, and if i pay for a service and it stops/ceases, i expect compensation

>>510421044 (OP)
>>i should be able to play online games without an internet connection
You will need that to copy code for community server, you retarded bitch.

None of retarded bitches can explain why Battlefield no longer exist on the market, because newer versons suck shit from ass, older got denied any support.

Captcha: GYATR; as a refferece of OP being gay retard.

>>510421481
That's not the argument and you know it you disingenuous faggot

>>510421044 (OP)
Yea it's called a lan network retard.

>right to repair is ..... le BAD
Bait use to be believable.

>>510421044 (OP)
>44 posts by this yID
Holy obsessed. Right to repair movements really has you kikes pissed off, huh.

>>510422582
That happened with Concord and you freaks won't stop kvetching and losing your minds over it.

these monkey brains have no impulse control, thats why they need elites hold their hands. i wont even say government, because the EU isnt one

>>510421138
Let the billion dollar company ALONE

>>510422713
You unironically might be these days by Microsoft if you break their retarded ToS

>>510442920
That is the majority of humanity throughout human history. The term goyim exists for a reason.

>>510421044 (OP)
fuck off jew

Why are Ross names so powerful? They instantly make jeets and kikes seethe. This one's a jew but he's honorary nonjew

>>510421044 (OP)
>misrepresenting the argument this hard
either bate or retarded

>>510421044 (OP)
your handy dandy guide to the Stop Killing Games movement.

>>510421044 (OP)
Gamers rights are trans rights!