>>510446525 (OP)
box sus

>>510446525 (OP)
What did he mean by this?

>>510446860
That he has 0 economic literacy

>>510446912
Go back to africa nigger

>>510446525 (OP)
When will they fine companies who hirw illegals?

>>510446525 (OP)
>>510446912
I finally realized that the biggest problem in the developed world today is that everyone is economically illiterate. Even the economists.
The trick is you gotta ignore money to figure what the fuck is going on:

Three fags with a tractor maintain 1500 hectares BY THEMSELVES, then send most of that shit abroad instead of distributing it to people close by. Is that right?
The average wagie has to work 8 hours per day for DECADES to afford a house that can be built in 3 weeks by a team, or 6-9 months if he builds it himself. Does that sound right to you?
An average home in greece of portugal is above the average range of its average inhabitant, and FAR above the average range of the people who built it in the first place. Does that make sense?
We need to bring economics back to retard level, or they'll keep putting ridiculous scam over everyone's heads by making up bullshit on top. And double and tripled retards will screech at you that it's correct because the jewish banks who commissioned their economy books said so.

Sorry retards, you're wrong. Math fags were wrong with string theory and math fags are wrong about economics. If it's too complicated for the average human to understand intuitively, it's a SCAM, simple as. 10000 scammers will soon own everything in the world and you will all be slaves? Wake the fuck up

>>510446860
since the wages will go up, he will be able to buy said groceries

>>510446525 (OP)
Pretty good one desu.

>higher wages
>ever

>>510446860
Conservatives rape kids.

>>510447352
it's retarded to think wages and grocery prices are directly connected like during the gold standard. It's idiotic even. Your grocery prices have much more to do with the value of the farmable land in the eyes of international investors and energy prices than your wages. The labor market operates entirely separately from the asset market. This is why housing can go up 2x in 6 years, and wages go down 2%, while purchasing power goes down 25%.
Your groceries meanwhile are adjusted by 15 middlemen for every carrot you eat. The people owning the currency own everything at the end of the day.

>>510447570
Tell them, bot sister. Conservatives rape kids, while troons and gays don't! They'll believe that

>>510447418
I can't tell if he's joking or serious though.
It's so stupid that I think the joke is on the guy in the red hat.

>>510447675
why do you defend pedophiles?

>>510447329

>>510446525 (OP)
with fewer people demand goes down which should cause prices to go down

>>510446525 (OP)
Super gay.

>>510446525 (OP)
nice!

>>510446525 (OP)
Why are his cartoons always obtuse in their messages? They can be read so many different ways, he never makes a clear statement.

>>510446525 (OP)
with all the automation coming, nobody will be employed, and we have to ensure we have enough resources for everyone, that means we have to kick out the fast breeders and illegals.
>who's going to pick our fruit?
nobody.

noooooo my underpaid illegal slave labor! reeeeeeeeeeee no no no nononon

>>510446912
>flag
>literally has negro genes

>>510446525 (OP)
>Higher wages
For pajeets maybe, Americans will continue to get shafted

>>510447070
Never because there are several layers of loopholes they can jump through to shield themselves from the consequences of hiring them.

>farm goes to some temp hiring agency and says "I need X number of workers to pick my tomatoes, here's some money, get it done"
>temp agency hires a bunch of undocumented workers and takes them out to the fields
>farm gets busted, workers get rounded up
>"omg officer I had no idea they were undocumented, they don't even work for me, they work for this temp agency"
>go after the temp agency
>it doesn't even actually exists and was just a phone number and email tied to a throwaway LLC under fake names
>this is america, punishing people requires courts, requires due process
>short of the farm owners straight up admitting culpability, its basically impossible for prosecutors/regulators to prove intent/guilt so long as they feign ignorance

>>510447675

Yeah because it's true, conservatives are pedophiles and degenerates

majority of sex scandals in US have been by republicans

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States

>>510448115
Got them there lad
They're bringing the rapists back from El-Salvador as we speak and tearing down the border wall

>>510448419
>Yeah because it's true, conservatives are pedophiles and degenerates

>>510448115
a fish may love a bird very much but where would they make a home together?

>>510447352
Why would his wages go up though?

>>510449141
lol learn to edit you fucking tourist

>>510447352
WHAT IF AI TOOK HIS JERB

>>510449302
they don't have to go up, because cost of living goes down when you kick out degenerates

>>510446525 (OP)

>>510446525 (OP)
I am silly.

>>510446525 (OP)

>>510447812
Why can't you stop think pedophilia constantly?

>>510446525 (OP)
So red cap has the same job as illegals?

>>510447909
Hello leftist! try to use fewer words and use actual humor.

>>510447977
Same reason a politician makes vague statements. People hear what they want and you get more voters/viewers that way.

>>510447329
those house figures do sound about right though? Because most of the cost of a home is the land, land is in low supply and will continue to be unless you are okay with turning national parks into suburbia

>>510446525 (OP)
You an tell trump is back in office because groceries are getting cheaper in canada AGAIN.
The sizes have shrunk but at least the prices are going down.

>>510449568
I don't understand, can you post a webm?

>>510449367
You're retarded but I guess that's the American education system doing it's job.

>>510446525 (OP)
It's wild watching the left argue for slave labor.

>>510449521
No, Redcap isn't a drug dealer.

>>510447625
The american boomer is known to be literally poised to take advantage of any more money in the system.
American cities are designed to milk workers via a closed system of distance, gas, and food. Boomers are well aware of the limits a paycheck can be taken to and enjoy seeing what happens when they double, then triple the amount of work for the same paycheck.
There are enough predatory elements in US society to guarantee an increase and ensure you will NEVER see the price go down once they hike it and things continue to sell.
It is entirely plausible in cities at least that people will try and sponge up as much of a wage increase as they possibly can.

Elmo is better

>>510446912
media literacy > any other type of literacy

>>510449393
>>510449447
kek

>>510450258
Elmo truly was the monster at the end all along

>>510449842
i would eat you but i don't like the taste of shit

>>510446860
>Wages go up
>prices go up
>not much has changed
It makes logical sense until you remember corpos are greedy jewish money worshippers

>>510446525 (OP)
>new pebble hurl
new boulder chuck? wow, interesting

>>510448419
Dems - 33 (18% gay)
Reps - 45 (13% gay)

Just in case anyone was wondering. (Starting in 1900, because of the weird party landscape before that.)

>>510446912
>acckktually there's nothing wrong with the system that allows a dozen jewish billionaires to own half the world, this is the best economic system to have ever existed, and if you disagree you're just economically illiterate.

>>510447329
This guy is right, 50 years ago, most white countries didn't have mass migration, GDP was much lower, as was productivity, technological development, digitalization, etc. yet still even low level jobs were paid well to the point that any retard who barely graduated highschool could afford a family with a stay at home wife and two kids, a house, and a car as long as he worked a full time job and didn't drink or gamble away all his money.
Now, 5 decades later, with cheap immigrant labour, all the tech development, the digitalization, the improvements to productivity, the rise in GDP all the shit that (((economists))) say is good for the economy... and the average american has it fucking worse?! WTF?
Like, the entire reason most countries gave corporations the easy tax loophole where they can reinvest their money into R&D before being counted as profits they have to pay taxes on was the promise that through more R&D, and the increase in productivity and efficiency, that in the end everything will get better for everyone and everyone will be richer, "the 'pie' growing"
Thats just not the fucking case.
Truckdrivers, non-supervisory worker-grunts in Wholesale trade, or mining, or construction should/would be getting between $60-$90 per hour if wages kept up with inflation over the last 5 decades.
Why the fuck was this possible 5 decades ago, but today it it isn't and most of those low level grunts are now living paycheck to paycheck in some rentoid shoebox.

>>510449568

>>510449724
there are 1893799567 acres of land in the contigious united states. not counting water, only actual land. if only HALF of that land is usable, thats 3 acres for every single individual american. now extrapolate that to the fact there are more families than individuals and youll realize even "land scarcity" is a fucking spook made up by speculators

>>510450782
New rock lob?!? Exciting

>>510447070
Never beccause of Texas proviso
> a provision within the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 that clarified that employing an unauthorized immigrant was not considered "harboring" or "concealing" them.
Plus most farm works are H1A migrant workers (which means they aren't here permanently and are only meant to pick crops and leave after the season is done)

>>510447329
>Three fags with a tractor maintain 1500 hectares BY THEMSELVES, then send most of that shit abroad instead of distributing it to people close by. Is that right?
The farmers own the land and their product, so they sell them to the most proffitable markets
>The average wagie has to work 8 hours per day for DECADES to afford a house that can be built in 3 weeks by a team, or 6-9 months if he builds it himself. Does that sound right to you?
The materials and the land are overpriced
>An average home in greece of portugal is above the average range of its average inhabitant, and FAR above the average range of the people who built it in the first place. Does that make sense?
The supply/demand ratio of houses is skewed by the fact that some people and some companies owns a bunch of them but don't put them on the market for sale, also a lot of old people living alone in big houses.

>>510450927
it would be interesting to total gdp and assets for a given country, then redivide it back up according to wealth distributions per decade historically. Its hard for me to imagine whether inflation is just because of a smaller pie for the plebes or whether we're just running out of cheap consumables, like oil for instance?

but they don't call it the dismal science for nothing

>wages going up
>ever
never again since women entered to the laboral market duplicating the workforce

>>510451005
You guys have no idea what too many words is.

>>510446860
Gib all money to corps so they can use it to lobby the government to take more of your money.

>>510451330
we should ask chat gpt

>>510451330
Trump invented words, he gets to decide how many words is too many words.

>>510446525 (OP)
Did he watch this and thought Burr was being serious?
https://youtube.com/shorts/dZZbLemvzvk?si=ibEvvQm7HbUh2HWE

>>510446525 (OP)
It's not the wages that're the problem

>>510449724
Do you have any idea how much land there is?

>>510452180
interesting!

>>510450782
I’m the only one here that has ever made the “Chuck Rock” connection and everyone else here is too dense to let it catch on.

>>510451276
Smaller pie on purpose. Oil is still plentiful, food more than ever before, lumber isn't going away etc. It's all deliberate and a result of policies enacted by the ruling classes.

>>510452375
When we talk about land shortage we mean urban and suburban areas, not some parcels of land 50 miles from civilization.

>>510451583
Why was there a random stone with egyptian on it

>>510452375
can I subscribe to your newsletter?

>>510446525 (OP)

>>510446912
Operation Wetback resulted in zero price increases.

If it had, it would be drilled into soft minds of every school kid in Christendom on par with Holohoax.

BTW, part of FDR's Jew Deal make work was creating a permanent all encompassing Economic Monitoring regime, hiring lots of mid-wit college grad types who didn't want to do real work, just clerk type stuff.

>>510452703
And what stops those urban areas from spreading wider other than deliberate zoning laws?

>>510446912
you’re a nigger

>>510452594
makes sense. sorry about the canadian slur, mistakes like mine wouldn't happen if you guys would just be a state like the good lord intended.

>>510446525 (OP)
Okay... but how come every time a leftist suggests rasing the minimum wage rightoids freak out and claim that prices will go up also?

Isn't this the same exact reasoning?

>>510451261
>The farmers own the land
You forgot decades of huge subsidies that enabled midsized farmers to swell up. Food is in post-scarcity territory in developed countries. But scarcity makes for higher profit so the product is redistributed abroad where is still scarce. If you keep regions poor you create demand. The African miner will mine to buy food at scarcity prices. If you take away scarcity you ironically take away the value of food and the main reason of the farmer and miner to work. Keeping things scarce is how profit is made in the first place. Cue planned obsolescence.
>The materials and land are overpriced
Yes, it's what I just explained, but it applies to all the post-industrial economies. Because you have to engineer scarcity to create growth the mechanism is not capitalistic anymore. It's reverse communism. Communism rationalized redistribution, what we got rationalizes scarcity. Neither work for various reasons.
>The supply/demand ratio of houses is skewed by the fact that some people and some companies owns a bunch of them but don't put them on the market for sale
Yes again. But ask yourself why governments welcome this situation and open sales to international clients so readily. Why everyone complains but it just keeps getting worse. Because there is no economic alternative. In places like the US housing availability has already exceeded saturation. But if you let people have cheap housing you would collapse real estate prices. They need housing to be scarce so much they're pricing out the majority of people from it. The scarcity economy is telling citizens of developed countries that they should own nothing. They're labor units earning and spending and then accruing debt they cannot repay on top. That's worth more than satisfying their needs because satisfying their needs isn't as profitable.

Understanding this explains where AI is going too. More productivity per labor unit means more profit, but then scarcity will be increased too

>>510453262

>>510446912
You're projecting. You clearly have no understanding of basic supply and demand when it comes to the labour market.

>>510453070
They are but the rate of expansion is slower than the rate of population increase.

>>510447977
It gives some protection against woke attacks. If they can’t properly read the strip; it makes it hard for them to go on a “woke” rampage.

>>510446912
they hated this anon because they spoke the truth

Let's do a little bit of math! How much were those wages paid to pick your groceries? What did he mean by going "up"?

>>510453848
Like I said. It's deliberate. If you read into the 15 minute cities deeper than a headline it's all about increasing population density. The elites specifically want as many people compressed into as tight an area as possible. Thinking we're running out of land is stupid. This is all the result of policy

>>510454104
Purchasing power remains the same with less immigrants

>>510450927
Yeah it's obvious. Profits went to the top in all of these companies and nothing ever trickles down. In fact trickle down is called "expenses" and every company out there spends half of its efforts into keeping them as low as possible. The real culprit is financialization and asset inflation. Costs increase, but wages don't. Because labor market and asset market are separate. You want expensive assets and cheap labor for Maximum profit.

So you want to make a few expensive goods to keep the price high and have lots of unemployed people around to keep wages low. When you need to raise wages you can just produce less instead. Competition mitigates that, but not if you captured the market or made a deal with your competitors. So here we are

>>510446912

yeah, i don't even support the point he's trying to make but he's a fucking retard. He's just Drudge 2.0

>>510447329
Yeah..... this reeks of mao making pig iron.

a wage cuck aint got the skills, materials nor the motivation to build a dwelling.

plus you have severely overesimate the worth of what one person can man - we havent even talked about the standard that each person has is different too.


If you pay 0.5mil to some nigger, he will pocket it 40% of it and buy a shipping contianer. The price is actually the land, retard.

>>510447329
>The trick is you gotta ignore money to figure what the fuck is going on:

yes, but they know this - that's why they go out of their way to hide actual material volume information like total barrels of oil and total wheat yield, etc...

>>510447329
>Does that sound right to you?

it does if you account for 75% of the population having zero skills and much lower skills than previous generations

>>510447329
>10000 scammers will soon own everything in the world and you will all be slaves? Wake the fuck up

this won't happen either - the current people who rule are way too decadent and feminine to be able to maintain a security force capable of suppressing the population. Their dissolution of western culture shows that they/jews have no idea what they are realyl doing. This is what happens when you exist as an outsider secondary race constantly subjugated for thousands of years and then you try to rule with the same subjugated feminine culture - it simply does not work = the entire thing devolves into a contest of victimhood and complete destruction of the concept of duty

>>510454104
>deport all illegals
>less consumption of food
>somehow the price will stay the same
okay favela nigge

favela

Dont wear scarlet what are you a toddler

>>510447329
The only redundancy is the belief that population equates to more growth when it's the opposite. Those three fags with a tractor can produce an excess of food far greater than what they need locally, but what about the people living in an area with land that isn't as arable? Do you move all of the people there closer to the farms and hazard compromising them with an unknown population? Do you genocide them so that they don't end up as bandits/pirates? Do you export the excess product to them in order to pacify them? Energy and agriculture aren't 'economic' issues in the case of the US the DoD directly controls energy and government subsidizes agriculture. Perhaps you can revert back to planned economies, but when they start asking for population control and to restrict movement then people freak out. From the perspective of the socialist elite class most of the population is comprised of useless eaters. I think most of the population should be converted into janitors and landscapers rather than doing pretend white collar work. There's no amount of academic training that makes people useful the only thing that makes science worth anything is test data, the only value a high population has is more data.

>>510446912
>noooo your economy can’t surivive without indentured servitude!

>>510446912
Puerto Rico and saying stupid shit, name a better duo

You can't. Man would it be nice to cut you faggots off, finally.

>>510446525 (OP)
Haha leftoids hate paying a living wage

>>510449393

>>510449724
US available housing already exceeds family units. Housing prices keep growing even as sellers struggle to find buyers because most people are priced out at this point. But the prices keep going up anyway and economists complain about how terrible a housing price collapse would be. Why? Because funds and banks just use it as an investment for Monopoly money. The way this mechanism works boils down to using real assets as leverage to speculate on the market and drive up prices. If you lose the asset value you lose a lot more in leverage. And since these investors buy US debt as an appreciating store of value, turns out the bill is on you, the citizen, if they have to sell.

>>510446525 (OP)
Hate leftoids

>>510447329

The problem is currency creation (printing from nothing) by a central bank ( so we all have to use this fake money that devalues as its printed.

If wages kept pace with inflation, there would be no use for inflation

>>510446912
No, he is entirely correct. There are, realistically, 60-80 million illegal aliens in America right now. The vast majority have nothing to do with picking crops, which is overwhelmingly done by machine. The 40% of them that are women predominantly collect welfare and make anchor babies, outside the occasional position as a cleaner, maid, or fast food maker. Most of the men, at least those that aren't criminal, are engaged in low end non-farm jobs. The vast majority are in urban areas. All of them raise the cost of living for others in the region substantially. Higher housing costs. More strain on food and fuel supplies, and other goods, causing price inflation. More strain on school systems, causing tax increases, and ultimately failing schools. Few of them pay for healthcare, since they just plop their asses in the emergency room, and once treated they don't pay, and the costs are shifted to citizens who use those services.
They've done studies, and every illegal alien is a major net negative, to the cost of living, to federal and state budgets, and to the economy as a whole. If they were gone, goods would be cheaper, goods deficits would be smaller, and your average American would have a significantly better standard of living.

>>510453869
this is true, I don't read his strips, I go straight to editting

>>510446525 (OP)
>Bingo
>wages for the workers producing the food will go higher
>not necessarily other wages, why would they?
lol

>>510446860
well, usa is satan land that uses illegal jose in farming and contracting so all food and some other shit will get a lot more expensive than some maga shart imaginary rise in pay

>>510455792
lol this is the sort of quality internet that I pay my monthly AOL for

>>510449302
>clear out the illegals working for sub-legal pay
>value of labour in those sectors increases, pay rises
>now a job that requires a fraction of the training, education and expertise of your job is making more money, the relative difference in value between your career and theirs has narrowed
>this draws labour away from highly skilled fields like yours, into fields with a significantly lower barrier to entry
>now the value of labour in your sector increases, because the supply has decreased.
>this carries all the way up the chain, and carries through to the price of gaining that expertise and education as demand for it lowers
The reverse is basically what's been destroying our economy for the past few decades. Illegals flood the low-skill labour positions, displacing citizens upwards, increasing the demand for education and training, creating both shortages in education (which drive the price of tuition, training upwards) and an overabundance of qualified workers competing for a pool of jobs that can't expand as quickly as labour is being displaced. The end result is an overcrowded upper middle class becoming the new lower middle class as the price of everything rises to match this congested band of buying-power.

That our administrations inflicted this willingly on our economies is something that will be studied in a hundred years within the same breath as Dutch Disease. But in our current moment you're not allowed to notice that over-immigration, both lawful and unlawful, is the key factor driving inflation and the end result isn't a service-based economy, but an economy based on institutionalized enslavement of the undocumented to systematically deprive our own labour class of work outside of service.

>>510446912
He is highlighting liberal cognitive dissonance of asking for higher wages, while also being open borders retards who vote to bleed capital on legislated charity cases. Want higher wages? End immigration and also social programs that aren't designed specifically for end-of-life comfort, like food stamps or insurance. Government shouldn't be subsidizing the taxpayer who doesn't use or support these things, to pay for them.
>be responsible adult
>work for your money
>pay for your own insurance, 401k, etc.
>feds garnish your wages to pay for poors and other invalids who either cannot work or refuse to work
>you get fucked over because you cannot opt-out of a tax that doesn't represent you in the first place
Welfare and social security are not the same thing, social security you will inevitably use as you age but welfare you will not if you plan a little for emergencies. Welfare is theft.

>>510447329
>wrong about economics
debt
bank lends you 1000, you give back 1200 after some time
what bank produced?
it gets better when you learn they can borrow much more then they have money, so basically creating money from thin air
I thought printing money was domain of only state
from that you get inflation, kept in check with mediocre kleptocrats in charge and without serious crisises
but now we have total psychos creating crisises, slippery slope into woodchipper

>>510451583
seems leftism is ancient problem

>>510447329
Your methodology is wrong but the conclusion is correct. Economic illiteracy is rife and education on basic economics is rare. I'm beginning to think economic literacy is being intentionally restricted but I don't see any signs of that. Other than macroeconomics being a prereq for microeconomics for some god-awful reason.

>>510452829
I'm guessing it was an education tool. Why else would you have the same story in 3 different languages?

>>510447329
>The average wagie has to work 8 hours per day for DECADES to afford a house that can be built in 3 weeks by a team, or 6-9 months if he builds it himself. Does that sound right to you?

If you are a home builder, you can build it yourself in 9 months.

But how do you BECOME a home builder? You have to spend YEARS learning carpentry, plumbing, eletrical work, masonry, roofing, HVAC installation. Then you have to work long enough to save up the money for materials. More years. You're talking 15 years.

So yeah, instead of spending all that time building the skills and money to build your own house, you find a completely different skill that someone wants to pay you for, and you work hard at that (5-10 years, not DECADES) and you use the money they paid you for a down payment, borrow at a good rate, pay someone to build your house, and then keep doing WHAT YOU'RE GOOD AT instead of WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE

The entire concept of a monetary economic system is that we're converting the value of our labor and assets into a unified currency so each person doesn't need to be a jack of all trades, they can be a king of one trade, and pay other kings to do the other trades for them, providing them with a far superior life.

>>510446860
sois are mad because they work the shitty fake jobs that make great money and contribute nothing to the real world
/pol/tards are largely unemployed or work at mcdonalds so they'll be happy to get a wage increase.

>>510447070
A lot of the companies technically follow the law even though the illegals are committing fraud to seem legal.

>>510446525 (OP)
Is he really going to work as a berry picker for $15 an hour?

>>510447329
>And double and tripled retards will screech at you that it's correct because the jewish banks who commissioned their economy books said so.

Just use this image here and tell them this:

This is a British Sovereign. It's content is 0.2354toz of gold. Its legal tender value is £1, but its gold content today is around £584. That's what the banking trick currency inflation does to money, and it is the way the banking clans steal public wealth.

>>510454757
You're making that nigger sound pretty smart. Buy some tools and some windows and you can make that shipping container nice.

>>510447329
extremely based post
somebody screencap it and send it to twitter so more normies get redpilled

>>510454757
A single human in 2025 is a human with every power tool in commerce worldwide available and million of YouTube how-to's. Wanna compare it to a bronze age farmer or a feudal serf? And that's at the lowest level of skill and investment.

>The price is actually the land, retard
Let me blow your little mind:
The population has dropped here, so why did the land price increase?
Plus it's not even true. I have land with a build permit. I'm taxed yearly on having it. If I sell it, after tax and fees I'd have almost nothing left. A new house would go for many times that since it's in a town. I'll still not make any real profit unless I build a tourist attraction like a restaurant because the regulations require me to use expensive materials (it's why the price is so high)
The reality is that if the nominal value of shit goes up, and your wage does not, your labor is how getting stolen by speculators, traders and investors. Simple as. You're a labor slave because Goldstein says the land you want to buy is worth 5x, or simply drop the value of the currency you use while your wage stays the same. Wake the fuck up

>>510449393

>>510455129
Id agree with that, but the populace is so mindless they will sit in poverty until the Jews come up with a fake dictator promising to make shit better or anything else. Prices are already enslaving people today to mindless labor and most keep laboring for their mortgages and college debts forever. It will take me and you and everyone willing to live in a world that makes sense to change this

>>510446525 (OP)
lol, lmao even

>>510446525 (OP)
Cereal box in the fourth panel.

>>510446912
Where does your food come from? I'm not looking for a specific answer, just a 30,000 foot view.

>>510456228
Immigration is already a consequence of fiat and debt-based policies. They need to grow the debt away, but they need young workers for growth so they're desperate. 500k jeets in 5 years or collapse due to negative growth.

Also you're wrong about immigration driving inflation. Inflation drives immigration. Inflation is artificially created by adding more debt to the economy, then printing more dollars to compensate. You need immigration to grow because growth makes your dollars worth more, and you can actually pay off the interest on debt. Because more workers = lower wages = higher profits = easier investments = more GDP

It's also why Trump is mugging the world like imperial china mugged its vassals.
>Offer tribute or perish
Dumb boomer just played into the kike hand. More money, more jets, more debts, more dollars, more growth, more inflation and higher asset prices is the recipe. But the average worker will be poorer. Republicans think more jobs = higher wages, then import the jeets to keep wages low. Tells you everything you need to know

>>510446525 (OP)
Shopping cart, orange box, fourth panel.

>>510446912
>Create worker shortage
>jobs became heavily avaliable
>wages go up do to competition for the labour of those jobs
>Less food is bought due to less people
>Food prices go down
This is basic economics.

>>510459018
Birth rates are dropping globally. Big number on graph get bigger is going away, but people who depend on it are trying to keep it going. Debt based fiat today is the biggest Ponzi scheme in all of human history, and it's going to destroy our civilizations.

>>510446860
Left is always on about higher wages except for white people

>>510457974
>Shoplifting is only for browns, paying Jewcorp for everything is WHITE.

If you stopped and thought for a moment you'd realize that the grocery and retail Jews are NOT your friends. The Jews take a slice out of EVERY purchase you make, EVERY SINGLE ONE. Jews own your entire retail chain and the entire production chain behind it, every major corporation in existence is ultimately Jew-owned. If there is a sales tax on the item you buy, guess what, the Jews get a cut of that too. And the Jews use that money to invest in getting rid of YOU.

Stealing and the black market are literally the one ways to conduct Judenfrei commerce.

>>510447329
This
Modern economy is fake and gay

>>510447570
kek based

>>510455957

Don't forget they work for cash then send the money back to mexico and pay no taxes. Then they get social services for free and become massive, massive drains on the economy.

>>510457178
You're just rationalizing bullshit. It doesn't take decades to learn to build a home. I built a shed in 7 days I could live in. But I can't, because laws. Anyone can do it with power tools and YouTube. Use green wood and straw bales and plaster even.

You're not allowed to. You have to use materials which have absurd costs and are tightly regulated. Zoning, hoas etc. Try making your own concrete. You can't. Gravel for my driveway is 3000$ for 100sqm. I am surrounded by rocks on my property. China started selling cheap rock crushers. They got banned.

A medieval serf built his own house using coppice. And he couldn't read. They had provisions to cut wood for free every 10 years for personal use. We don't have that.
Exactly because in 2025 the real cost of shelter and food is below scarcity levels.

1 farmer today has 47 times the productivity of a feudal serf. Building is orders of magnitude easier. Hell even compared to 1950, where housing was multiple times cheaper vs a wage.

Stop finding rationalizations for scams. Everyone should intuitively know that technology is being used to direct profits to a few people instead of making everyone live richer lives. If I want to live like a feudal peasant today I am literally not allowed to. Even an innawoods cabin is illegal. And if I want to work for shelter, food and internet? Somehow I'm paying a 25 year mortgage working 9 hours per day? Get real, it's a scam. Talk to any builder. 20-40 years building houses. Still rents unless he closed on one in 1985

>>510457178
I missed
>5-10 years, not DECADES
You do realize people take on 20-30 year mortgages for housing right? 335k house at 65k yearly salary is the average range for people in the US. My friend is looking for stem jobs in California. In 5 years he'd be making 79k from entry level. Even at 6 figures you won't make it in 5 years unless you have a wife also making 6 figures or family support

>>510458820
Same place yours come. Wym? Except mine is at least 10% more expensive due to the cabotage laws

>>510460966
Wrong. Anybody who basically says "the grocery store" when asked this question is a full blown fucking retard.

>>510447329
I think you're asking the right questions. Every thing from law to finance today is supposedly more complicated than it was in the past. Now we could accept this if we were getting better results, but we aren't. Worse, you get clear examples of waste like picrel which are explained away with law and theory. Personally, I think the devil is in the language. If we get these guys to explain things without technical jargon and answer questions with resorting to "it's complicated" I think we'd realize how broken this system is.

>>510460167
This is what I've tried to get across to people lately. Everything that needs to be done is within our power and the only reason at all that a thing as simple as building shelter or producing food becomes some insurmountable task is because there is (someone) somewhere who coerced the government into preventing us from doing these things without letting (that person) rob us in the process of more resources than the thing itself that you want to do is worth. It is literally as simple as that.

>>510455892
yeah, it's all about central banking and fiat driving the mechanism. However that mechanism exists because so many willing participants heavily invest in it. Even if you take out the Fed mechanism you'll be stuck with the economic issues that led to communism and world wars. As broken the debt system is, you can't just remove it. You also need a governance system that is not fucking corrupt first and foremost. Hell, i bet the debt mechanism would work well if somehow you had incorruptible elites or some sort of fervent nationalism. The problem that any system large enough immediately becomes corrupt at the top.
I think for all the issues, the Libertarians have one correct core notion. If you want to prevent corrupt you ultimately need to prevent all centralization, monopolies of any kind, lobbying, double citizenships etc. It needs to be a puritanical political system with the smallest possible centralized power. It truly has to operate like a federation, even if it leads to periods conflicts within in. Nothing like that has ever really been tried, which is why no one is going to bet on it.

Eventually people will have to chose between line goes up or having a technological civilization. So many bubbles and financial crisis got patched up and have been deferred decades down the road....

Also eventually one will have to come to the conclusion that only citizens liable for conscription are allowed to buy land. Nobody and nothing else.

>>510458179
Explain, without sounding mad, how the removal of workers won't increase wages.

>>510461215
I know it's not the "grocery store" tard. You asked "where it comes from" not where I buy it.

>>510446525 (OP)
stonechud is a fucking nazi

>>510461610
>Also eventually one will have to come to the conclusion that only citizens liable for conscription are allowed to buy land. Nobody and nothing else.

Interesting take, but the oligarchs of the world will not like that and use their massive pool of resources to stop it, through legislation or assassinations.

My wages didn't go up. Did yours?

>>510446525 (OP)
Suddenly MAGA wants unskilled laborers to be paid more
(No unions allowed though, those are communist)

>>510461736
Yet you answered the question I didn't ask, proving you're a full blown fucking retard. Why should I trust that (you) aren't the one with ZERO economic literacy?

Republicans blocked epstein files.

>>510462083
Because apparently you're a schizophrenic retard that needs ownership of the state so even a nigger's opinion is above yours. I answered the same place you get yours which depends of the produce, which is usually Florida, California, Idaho, Kansas etc. So do you have any point in all of this or you're just babbling nonsense?

>>510447329
Ding motherfucking ding. At actually economies come from the state as they are the ones who impose the social rules of what and was accepted behavior. It's just the current one is a toothless retard on purpose and can even slither around internationally it has so much economic weight now. It has to be nuked or a small cabal of jews will eventually consolidate everything in the west through social programming and changes the rules of the economic game, aka the state, to put it all in their hands.

>>510462060
I'm a leftist and I get sick of people arguing over this.


The argument is over. Pic related. Pic attached.

Republicans are pro replacement.

>>510446525 (OP)
>deportingpeople will result in higher wages will make our groceries more expensive
This is not the argument that leftists make, moshe.
Please look in to anti mass-deportation arguments yourself instead of getting your opinions fed to you by kiketoss like a good goyim

>>510462285
Then answer the original question: Where does your food come from? 30,000 foot view. You can't, so you're lashing out projecting your full blown retardation on me. You're a typical cityfag.

>>510446912
found the KIKE posing as an ESL retard memeflag faggot kek

>>510462060
>If we don't have brown people that work illegally for a pittance to bring down wages and also garnish our wages so your boss AND 'coworkers' can fuck your ass then we won't survive

>>510447329
>send most of that shit abroad instead of distributing it to people close by. Is that right?
The US uses food as a tool of diplomacy since most countries can't feed themselves and can be destabilized by simply imposing an embargo. Simple enough?

>>510446525 (OP)
I wonder how much legal immigration employment has been enabled by gig work apps like Uber, DoorDash or Instacart? How many "legal" immigrants are just working for app full time. Has this ever been quantified?

>>510462336
>If we don't literally pay to support and encourage illegals to flood this place then our country will not survive

>>510446525 (OP)
wup, looks like we need to find a doctor to reattach our penises, ehhh fellow liberals?

>>510462413
Yep schizobabbling. Sorry faggot I have better things to do than to breakdown the interstate supply chain to some retard online. If you have a point make it, if not take your meds.

>>510462422
I know this is just bait because you want to see my intact foreskin but It's not gonna work

>>510462448
Lots of openings in construction and vegetable picking out there, I hear. No need to sit on /pol/ all day.

>>510453070
They die in the center. Whatever that economic model is, it is self-extinguishing. City after city does 'economic renewal' of their urban cores, to little or no success.

>>510462703
>He can't give an answer, so he turns into a faggot.
100% of your opinions dismissed. You need to eat to live but you don't understand where your food comes from. Cityfag.

>>510461855
Thailand already does it, but for citizens. Hungary has some lite version of that, I am certain other countries might have some lite version of it.


It has nothing to do with the elites but with national conscience.you need more people to be aware of the fact that ownership does not exist without securing and enforcing said ownership and as such, anyone who can not be directly tapped into contributing to it directly should not be able to buy land on said area, since that is either immoral, treasonous or scamming thievery.

But as long as people want to be able to ''play'' and ''invest'' in the real estate market and want to attract institutional or foreign capital that can not happen. Real estate needs to become closed national markets only for citizens, specifically citizens liable of conscription or who have served in the military. And any juridical entity, say LLC or corp that is not 100% owned by those people should be disqualified from land purchases.

Not expropriating anyone, just not allowing anyone but those that have or are obligated to defend the land should be able to buy. Everyone else can rent. Or own shit above the first floor. Don't care about those, since it is not land.

Again, it is less of an issue of ellites and more of an issue of the population not having the conscious awareness of it and the ability to articulate it into said demand.

>>510447329
>to afford a house that can be built in 3 weeks by a team, or 6-9 months if he builds it himself.
AHHHHH HAHAHAHA

>>510446525 (OP)
I'm surprised there isn't any kind of propaganda push to get white people to work on farms so we aren't dependent on foreign labor.

>>510457785
Look buddy, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but your wrong in terms of giving everybody tools and they can solve their own problems. I am that guy. I have more tools than anybody that has ever been on 4chan, and I know how to use them. #1 that is a rare skillset, some people have zero fine motor control. #2 it takes intelligence to imagine and build anything, and quite a bit of persistence to push though any given project (all of this is rare). #3 you still need an outer economy to do things like steelmaking and other industry that is outside the scale of what an individual can muster.

But your right about the entire thing being a bit fucked - and that may be your major point. I'm just saying your solution (as I understand it) is wrong.

>>510462716
I'm at work right now you faggot, lmfao. Those jobs are already being filled by Americans and your faggot lie about how the shitskins you have a fetish for are the only ones willing to work, you lazy fucking niggers literally made up a narrative where you aren't lazy parasites stealing American jobs and doing them poorly.

>>510446525 (OP)

Based Toss.

>>510447070
When they put the politicians who collude with organized crime in prison. This isn't rocket science. Liberal territory is Mafia territory. Republicans don't do dick if it doesn't give them filthy lucre.

>>510463205
That's pointless.

>>510460167
>I built a shed in 7 days I could live in
Shelter is not a home
You're not "living" there if you don't cook, eat, sleep, and store everything to do those things.
Also, if you want to go be self sustaining and live off grid in your own home built by you, you can

It's just fucking slow.
You're shitting on everyone for not living a lifestyle that you couldn't live if you tried, and then act like the government is the reason you'd fail

>>510460849
I specifically mentioned a mortgage, so yes

I'm not talking out my ass here. I've bought multiple houses.
I made a 50k profit on my first house and I'm set to make 100k on this one.
And by the time i sell it, I'll have enough cash from the sale to hire a builder for my next house and pay for it all in cash, leaving me mortgage free more than a decade before retirement

>>510454947

A good part of this is a direct result of 'education' (which is largely spending years memorizing useless trivia instead of actually putting your hands to work and learning functional skills).
The feminist infantilization of teenagers and helicopter parenting on kids also plays a huge role in keeping the youth useless and entitled for longer than previous generations, and some never grow out of it anymore.

>>510462830
>Thailand already does it, but for citizens
We used to do it (Anglo Saxon law was serving in the army for two years or your land is confiscated), but the City of London, a merchant port that's not part of the United Kingdom, influences control over the entire country through the monarchy. The Magna Carter, old English for Great Charter is mainly in place to protect the City of London. It's one of the last clauses left still legally binding to this day, and charters are legal entities that are applied to corporations, the realm of the dead and cargo. The City of London is one of the most powerful entities on the planet, and probably the most powerful in all of finance. This is why it will be near impossible to end it, because its control has been expertly crafted. The City of London would have to be nuked off the face of the Earth for it to end.

>>510446525 (OP)
doesn't change the fact that consumers are paying the tariffs. right wingers are retarded because they refuse to understand transaction fees, upcharging and price gouging are just a different form of taxing the working class

>>510463205
because some white people such as myself would literally die in the heat

>>510464584
Regarding the Magna Carta, here are all the clauses.

>>510456505
fractional reserve banking has existed for centuries, but alone isn't enough to create the current social cataclysm.
So it's just a drop in the ocean vs QE, derivatives and selling national debt in a fiat current world. That exists only since 1960s and specifically 1971. It's an entirely new system that created the current nightmare in just 50-60 years

>>510456811
> methodology is wrong
as i said, if you start trying to explain economics you get even economists getting confused and get into arguments. You can spend a whole evening calling out their contradictions and see them get angry that you don't get the larger picture. Just like String Theory it becomes a framework that hides the real flaws in plain sight. If something isn't easy to communicate and explain to the average person, it shouldn't be the established mechanism for an entire fucking society. So i'm fixing that by using something that can be understood. Medieval serf could have house and wife and children and food. Medieval serf + fucking all of industrialization should have all that and a better house, less work and more security in proportions to his increased productivity. Society CAN provide that, therefore we have to demand it does. If it doesn't and billionaires exist, then obviously society isn't serving the citizens and needs to be destroyed. It should be easy logic like this or no one will do shit. If people don't have an explanation, they make up one based on their fears and insecurities. People seriously think billionaires are a natural byproduct of a functioning economic system. It takes the dumbest lefties to claim the opposite, but ironically they're right. Elon Musk got rich from Paypal, and anyone could have come up with Paypal's concept. So he was simply at the right place at the right time. Same for electric cars. And now he seemingly does whatever he wants with society as a whole. Then think of shit like onlyFans, Netflix, Steam. It's a system flaw, not a feature.

>>510446525 (OP)
Man, this country sure is cooked. Pink hair's politics drive prices of everything up and Red that's politics keep wages stagnated.

>>510465186

>>510465473
>Red that
*Red hat

>>510457510
they'll just say that gold used to be currency, and now it's a commodity... you have to demonstrate that a magnum ice cream in italy, from 2004 to 2024:
>Cost: +222.58%
>Size: -18.60%
>Average Wage in this timeframe: +60.25%
I calcualted this myself and confirmed with multiple AIs, so this data cannot be refuted and any retard gets it.
+200% for fucking ice cream that is 20% smaller and only 60% wage increase.
Make it "fun" and ask them how much poorer that makes them, if it applies to all products (it's actually even worse for housing)

>>510462506
well yeah and it's obviously not right when people in the US complain of price increases on food.
It's like just this month Japan is having a crisis about RICE of all things.
Why did that happen? You might have guessed it. Rice was so cheap they started growing the kind for fuel and animal feed to export. One bad harvest and now every seller is hoarding over profits because food-grade rice isn't grown as much anymore and they can't just adapt the infrastructure. Almost as if growing food for people in the industrial age is not what agriculture is focused on anymore, forgetting that eating is crucial activity for human beings, as opposed to hookers and blow. Economics or not, there is a problem with the entire foundation of a society that can't even grow its one historical staple when technology makes it trivial to do at scale and pretends it's normal.

>>510465424
>. It takes the dumbest lefties to claim the opposite, but ironically they're right.

I think you are wrong. Elon Musk and other billionaires got rich because they started small companies and held some significant % of the stock of those companies. The outer world now values that stock very highly because of the success of those companies. This billionaire class doesn't have wealth in terms of $, they hold productive assets that the outer world values highly.

The fact that tesla or amazon or spacex exists doesn't make people poorer (maybe their behaviour as corporate entities does - but that is another - regulatory problem). The value of Tesla and amazon was created out of thin air - people say, "hey I want that, and this is what I value it as". That value can also disappear like a fart in the wind ex. Tesla's market cap shifting with Elon's political participation.

Basically this isn't the kind of wealth that is stripped from other people - it isn't zero-net-sum wealth.

>>510447688
For years the left has been saying that raising the minimum wage wouldn't cause prices to go up.
Now they're saying that not paying slave wages to illegals will cause prices to go up.

>>510463362
based.
The whole "uhh americans are lazy" narrative is idiotic and not worth paying attention to. Americans just know what their predecessors could afford, and they see they're being impoverished, so they protest and try to look elsewhere, or demand better conditions.
What Elon calls "entitlement" is really the entitlement of the political class, who is even richer than before.
You know who's lazy? The politicians and billionaires and government welfare queens. Lazy fucking politicians who cannot do their fucking job of keeping society functioning and 1st world nations being good places to live in and start families.

>>510467189
Elon Musk is a technocrat who thinks everyone below the managerial class should be slum-dwelling slaves. He praises people who sleep in tents at work. The idea of you having a family while working for him is a joke. You don't get families. You get the brain chip and work until someone else can show up and do it even cheaper than you will.
He's no different than the communist or the socialist in that regard. It's all about control.

>>510465473
that's such a good observation. High asset prices and low labor costs is the foundation of every rich merchant to ever exist. The two parties can exist because they feed into that dynamic somehow.
I realized the real reason Fascism was so powerful as an idea is, as well as communism religion etc, is that they put ethics before efficiency. It's useless to have a huge GDP nation if its people find life miserable. Everyone would much rather live in a poor nation if they get to live comfortable lives, versus a rich nation where doing anything is either unaffordable or morally reprehensible.

>>510467189
>You know who's lazy? The politicians and billionaires and government welfare queens. Lazy fucking politicians who cannot do their fucking job of keeping society functioning and 1st world nations being good places to live in and start families.

I buy this; and the political response in the US as been to send the bad orange man to fuck with their shit. Is he the right man? Has the political movement been co-opted? Was it ever truly organic? Time will tell.

Western democracies are supposed to be responsive to the needs of the people they represent. They or at least the political classes have clearly abjectly failed when you see western civilizations choose reproductive immolation and dissolution via waves of immigrants.

NEW OOPS

>>510447909
The hooded look is back!

>>510447329
you are forgetting materials cost, and space cost and are also a big retard, but you are correct about greediness and muh loicense problem

>>510467408
>Elon Musk is a technocrat who thinks everyone below the managerial class should be slum-dwelling slaves.

I've done the grind. I wouldn't work for Elon. He should not get the cheap waves of immigrant labor, any more than other previous industrialists did. The billionaire class should be forced to better integrate into civilizations and make us be what they need, and vice versa. But this is a regulatory problem; and we have idiots for a political class.

>>510467547
It's plain to see that there isn't a single politician who even takes the word "ethics" seriously despite always talking like Jesus
The whole elite class in the US is 100% mercenary and therefore corrupt. Virtue signaling just enables to camouflage having no virtue at all
Hell even the Pope talks like a holy man, but sits on his stupid ass while multiple wars murder christians. He should have gotten his lazy ass to Ukraine already, using his body to prevent at least some bombing while demanding a solution to the conflict. He's the freaking pope for what

>>510467677
material costs are even worse. Regulation prevents me from using local materials for building. I MUST buy cement sacks and must hire a concrete truck to come and pour foundation. I can't use green wood, straw bales and plaster to have a house in months that i can easily maintain if i please. That's because material costs follow asset prices and are driven up by the investors buying the houses in the first place. So if the housing market is overpriced, the materials are just as bad. Again, you cannot make your own concrete to code. It's a specific mix that you have to purchase. (At least here)

>>510467811
Agreed. America has the best economy because American workers have the highest economic output per capita. Or had. Now our economy is utter bullshit and fake.
Consider how before everything went to pot, the US was leading on technology. We invented MOSFET. We pioneered it, and pushed it further than anyone else. We were smart enough to do that. Hell, our "hillbilly farm boys" were our first astronauts and aviation geniuses. Americans are not stupid, and they're not lazy. Anybody saying otherwise is an enemy.

>>510455722
This is the same kind of aging harpy CA karen that lives in New England and make up the backbone of the Democrats, notice she's finally threatened enough when she can't buy slave wage work because she has no family.

You rarely see them risking it like this to post at all. These are the people who kept Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein in office their whole lives.

>>510446606
FPBP

>>510450695
It's the European way, our wages are high (for lower incomes) and our groceries are also expensive.

>>510446912
>what is supply and demand

>>510468635
afaik you also have a huge and self-perpetuating regulatory state.

>>510453262
bingo.

>>510455722
Errrr... Yes? You do mow your own lawn, do your own dishes, etc.

Holy shit. I was not aware that the American upper middle class litteraly had it better than feudal kings in every single fucking aspect. They even have/ had litteral contracted servants that can be threatened almost as or more effective than most feudal kings would conceive... If they also needed the power tripping...

>>510468635
Really? Because I keep seeing pictures of your food prices being cheap. Also you guys get real food, not preservative-filled garbage.
... though your standards for bug and rat feces parts per million are kinda alarming...

>>510453262
>>510453482
>>510469027
Not exactly the same reasoning. At least in principle. In principle only citizens or legally accepted migrants workers should be working. Theoretically. Practically, well, over here at least a third of the native physical workforce works in the black or grey market. Grey meaning they get min wage and the rest is under the table because fuck paying 47.5% cumulated taxes, and that is before taking into account VAT that you have to pay on everything if you are a regular person and not a business.
>>510469057
Your food is shit because you have x10 more sweetener as a base to start with. That covers for a lot of disgusting shit being added in undetected by simple taste.

>>510449324
>thinks an ability to edit is a prerequisite to bring a long time regular channer
Clearly you don't know how things work around here in this underwater Mongolian basket weaving thread, newfag.
Perhaps you're a 2016 election tourist?

>>510447329
How can one man own literally hundred of billions of dollars? 1% of humanity owns 99% of wealth. In 10 years there will be the first trillionare (probably Musk). What is that wealth tied to? Most people own nothing and some people own infinite imaginary money, which just translates to infinite political power over society. How is anything resembling democracy possible when handful of men have thousand times more wealth and power than the most powerful kings in history?

It's all jewish. Jews destroyed society with bullshit abstraction that are just word games. Look up "replication crisis", economics studies are as replicable as gender studies, which is to say not at all. Huge part of facsist movement in the 20th century was trying to reject the jewish economic system based on debt and speculation, which has divorced capitalism from tangible wealth and productivity. There's a reason usury was seen as a sin and jews hated for it.

>>510461682
You are free to give one example of any policy change that led to higher wages in the last 30 years
without sounding mad

>>510454757
>a wage cuck aint got the skills, materials nor the motivation to build a dwelling.
why
is it because it's a very specific kind of dwelling with very specific regulations in a very specific market in a very specific culture

is it because the houses that are built now are total fucking pieces of shit that aren't even actually built to code anyway? is it because they NEED air conditioning? is it because it's illegal to not have them hooked up to the city's power and water? is it because a strong wind will fuck them up to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars? for what amounts to fucking paper mache walls and popsicle-tier timber?

is that fucking why?

10,000 years ago dudes who couldn't read or write were building their own houses and doing just fine

>>510451005
Niggerkikefaggot

you know houses used to be built in such a way that air conditioning wasn't even necessary. insulation and manipulation of air convection was so good that they just weren't needed. i've stayed in houses like this in hot climates. they were built only a few hundred years ago.

why the FUCK am i paying half a million dollars to some nepo baby faggot and his army of spic laborers to build me a fucking popsicle stick house out of mud and chinese pot metal?

fuck you, fuck your houses, fuck this country, fuck the 21st century, everything is fucking wrong on purpose so a new class of gay-ass tasteless bitchfaggot fags dressed like actual niggers in gucci fast fashion turd clothes can make a buck, and if you don't think so, you're a fucking retard

we were literally better under fucking feudalism

>>510446860
A good white country is one where everyone is a pajeet working for minimum wage.

>>510448419
the problem isn't perversion, the problem is the open celebration and of politicization of perversion.

niggers won't understand.

>>510456228

alternatively:

>clear out the illegals working for sub-legal pay
>value of labour in those sectors increases, pay rises
>to recoup from paying workers more, the employers increase the prices
>higher skilled field workers lament the price of goods increasing and demand higher pay, and obtain it
>university degree and even higher skilled fields workers lament having studied for years for a meagre comparatively salary and demand higher pay, and obtain it.
>but foreign products outside of this mechanism keep being cheap, hunting sales of native products
>state issue tariffs and does protectionist so foreign products do not undercut native products
>protectionsim is literally the state making arbitrary rules of trading to favor their people
>the state ideally does so because the politician wants power and can only get voted in power by promising to safeguard workplace
>both the foreign market and the state still would like to make money into the other market as well
>they negotiate a compromise
>foreign markets adopt the same rules of the stronger market, so they don't undercut natives anymore
>more fairness and equality achieved, biggest market achieved.

and this is how it could go in theory.
of course there are losers in this scenario as well, such as the immigrants and jungle countries that only have a market because they export things produced by basically enslaved workers. but that is their problems.

>>510447329
>>510450927
Noted

>>510446912
Imagine being lectured to about economic literacy by a Puerto Rican. You live on top of mounds of trash. You're basically wild animals.

>>510470779
Elon does not have hundreds of billions of dollars. He holds stocks of his own companies that others value at that. Elon has to take out loans using his stock as collateral to get spending cash. He could also sell stock, but thinks that it will continue to appreciate in perceived value.

>>510464584
>The Magna Carter, old English for Great Charter
You uncivilized island retards all need to be lined up on a wall and shot.

>>510447909
>words words words
The left STILL can't meme huh

version without slur

>>510473881
Oh I'm sorry for calling it old English instead of Latin.

>>510447329

This is the only guy who actually gets it, 99% of all financial news is a scam or made up bullshit

>>510449743
never forget that entire committees were created to study and mitigate the "post the prices" /pol/ threads

>>510474580
Alright, I accept your apology and take back the getting shot part.

>>510455722
way too good
must be bait

>>510446912
Kek

Many replies. Very good bait.

>>510446912
Careful.
https://youtu.be/fMa-_fd0E0Q

>>510446912
>We need illegals here!
>Who violate OSHA and get paid peanuts and scraps under the table by the exploitive bosses
>BUT WE NEED THEM HERE TO PICK MY COTT-I mean, PRODUCE!
and you faggots wonder why no one cared when that storm hit you lame fucks?

>>510471877

No it isn't, and that meme flag isn't hiding the fact that you're a shitskin because I know exactly how you people think.

One of the key aspects of white / European culture is openess and transparency, whites value honor, honesty, straightforward and open intent, truth etc. Those are key values in European culture to the point they're almost mythical - much like being humble, hardworking and honorable are in Japan

Semites and shitskins thrive in lies and deceit. You think it makes you "smart", "cunning" and "superior". You rejoice in corruption and lies. Your shitty tribal religion openly promotes it for political ends and even openly promotes lies and hypocricy. A muslim man who listen to music while lying he doesn't is seen as more virtuous than the one who does and publicly admits his "sin". You don't have a problem with faggotry as much as you have a problem with the lack of censorship in regards to faggotry. You can be a massive degenerate shitting on minors in your Dubai villa as long as you pretend to be a pure, sinless conservative and religious man in public. If someone gets as exposed for the vile thing he does the problem is he got exposed, not that he did vile things.

European cultures (like the Dutch, Scandinavians etc.) which haven't been polluted by shitskins are sincere to almost autistic, comical degree. It's how white people are and again, especially pure, blond whites.

>>510447625
Yeah, supply and demand is a total lie. There is only one group of people with the power to make credible demands, and it's the suppliers. Illusion of choice, a weak magic trick.

>>510475159
well put

>>510446525 (OP)
No raises, no deportations, no cheap groceries, only usury and slavery for you.
But you can have ebin amogus memes :^)

>>510446525 (OP)
You're really looking to make $15 an hour picking fruit? Life must be tough. If the only way you can make around minimum wage is by kicking people out of the country who have no skills and can't even speak English, you've massively fucked up in life.

>>510462573
You didn't even Read it huh.....

>>510447329
>then send most of that shit abroad instead of distributing it to people close by. Is that right?
yes but thats just supply and demand
you sell to local markets until the price dips low enough that shipping it across the world becomes just as profitable

it's usually more efficient to scale a single operation upwards than it is to diversify. it's the same principle for why self-sufficient homesteading is a meme. instead of growing everything you need, you should just grow a shit ton of one thing, do it VERY well, then sell your excess to buy the other things you need.

>>510447329
I was gonna write upon diatribe playing devils advocate for mathematicians but no fuck that. That's what the homos rely on and they get the 300k starting meme.
>>510455129
>this won't happen either
It already happened, cattle. The call it the ""bilderberg group", but I call it the "build a burger group" because they basically build up mullato slaves round the world using american wealth and miscegenation which turns them to burgers.

>>510474897
Nah California is actually like that. They totally brainwashed themselves into believing they're not stealing from the till.

>>510446525 (OP)
2025 Democrats: "But who will pick the crops?"
1865 Democrats: "But who will pick the crops?"

>>510455722
oh no, too bad you don't have a man to mow your lawn

>>510449724
The jews pushed kicking your kids out at 18 for a reason.

>>510477485
Are you from 1960?

>>510447329
>>510450927
>>510457510
Smashing thread. Overqualified and poorer is their motto

>>510477485
>You're really looking to make $15 an hour picking fruit?
If benefits are included in that package, maybe

>no skills and can't even speak English
Implying I wouldn't praise the man who kicked this freeloader out of my country.

>>510480300
Do you guys think the reason slavery was bad was because it gave brown people jobs?

>>510446912
Bow to the Master of Cuckonomy

>>510450927
>pic
Economists are one of the biggest group of scumbags on earth. They're always wrong without exception, and they have no vision for what a country with a good economy should look like; i.e. homogenous and safe nations with nuclear families being the enforced norm.
Instead, the economistfag is so hell bent on importing cheap labour and tack and any and all costs that they can't see society falling apart around them.
Maybe we had economists who got it right a century ago. But fuck off have any passed the 1960s ever been correct. Fuck all the Austrian economists; they're all wrong and it shows.

>>510457716
Commies always say stupid shit like this about affordable housing and shipping containers because they don't understand any actual thing about the working class or construction.

The working class knows about:
>insulation
>dew points
>mold
>window installation
>heat conduction and convection
>conduit for electrial, plumbing, pvc vs pex, pex types, voltage and amp calcs, etc etc
>foundations that won't slide away in a little weather
And hosts of other issues that commies who live on the backs of the labor of others think they are qualified to speak on. I am not even qualified to speak on everything that goes into real construction, but I know at least that much of why specialized construction exists and why a shipping container is a bad deal to attempt to live within in any real way.


Then commies in CA spout this nonsense while they buy overpriced bay area housing with their spreadsheet job money anyway and vote for tools like Gavin because he looks like their 1950s anglo saxon protestant hollywood that they think they deserve to live in for having empathy. Then they feel guilty and pretend like they give a fuck about even bigger tools like Maxine Waters have to say.

Leftism is a scourge, an opiate of the stupid passing itself off as intellect and empathy when they really have neither for anyone, are completely self centered, vapid and full of unwarranted hubris, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>510447329
>calling people economically illiterate while endorsing the labor theory of value.

>>510449568
Undoing circumcision is a letting talking point?

>>510447977
Because he's a dipshit trying to appeal to an audience. He doesn't know what he believes really so he has to let his audience connect the dots because he doesn't know how. Neither do they however so they enjoy it for a vague sense of being on the right team. People who think about it like you are left to wonder what's going on.

>>510447329
>tractor
yes but it costs a lot in time, knowledge and materials to manufacture a tractor from scratch and lets say you can run that diesel engine on filtered sneed oil that you can make yourself
it also costs a lot to make sure your crop doesn't get eaten by pests
then think about the infrastructure needed for the fertilizer you need unless you want to produce way less than what a modern farmer produces

anyway what i'm saying is that you pay for the things you take for granted, even though you'd probably be better off homesteading and you'd be producing your own food, but it would mean more working for you (you, your family and your animals have to be the tractor) and then you have to defend yourself against invaders anyway, the same ones that are invading now

>>510482138
slavery was bad because it disparaged schlomo from charging more interest and insurance on future credit card holders.

>>510482633
> am not even qualified to speak on everything that goes into real construction,
Yeah that's what the inspector is for, you know the guy causing the current housing crisis because his invented checklist with some of the things (but not all lol) aren't "up to code" (up to schlomo and his banks reselling standards).

>but I know at least that much of why specialized construction exists and why a shipping container is a bad deal to attempt to live within in any real way.
And then they set up a tent on 101 instead like the rest of the rags and nobody gives a fuck.

>>510460167
this guy is on spot

>>510482943
No one wants shanty towns, only leftists are ok with meth neighborhoods because they don't have kids going to school next to them, they'd rather prey on kids going to school.

Just because inspectors get corrupted doesn't mean you still can't get electrocuted by improper grounding.

>>510447329
>a house that can be built in 3 weeks by a team, or 6-9 months if he builds it himself
sure go invent machinery and concrete on your own, lmfao

>>510453382
This is all true but sooner or later people will get fed up and out come the pitchforks.
Their greed is unsustainable. Fuck “their”profit.

>>510446860
illegals get deported > have to hire local people > local people demand higher wage to do the work > higher wage directly increases price of goods > market adjusts and companies can't import cheap labor to stagnate wages.

Very basic supply and demand for the job market and the reaction of wages. I believe the joke is either (or both) that the pink shirt doesn't put two and two together to realize that importing an outside workforce is what gave the means for companies to plateau wages or the pink shirt is fine with taking advantage of less well off people just so they can pay less for a good or service.

>>510474423
>version without slur
Seriously fucking kill yourself, faggot nigger niggerfaggot retard

>>510483164
>No one wants shanty towns,
Tell that to the tent towns

>only leftists are ok with meth neighborhoods because they don't have kids going to school next to them, they'd rather prey on kids going to school.

No one is okay with meth neighboorhoods
No one is okay with predators
No one is okay with more fucking taxes and not having the choice to pick your kids school district
So why the fuck are they okay with a fucking jew who makes sure the checklist for your property has all of these things?

>I will live in the middle of fucking nowhere where it's no one s business now fuck off with your gay baby laws. The problem? I can't do that! Some gay baby comes along and tells me I have to live with the faggots who voted for...you know all that or to live in a fucking tent.

>Just because inspectors get corrupted
Just because most inspectors never built anything in their fucking life you mean

>doesn't mean you still can't get electrocuted by improper grounding.
Do you have anymore "nots" in that negation noose you're tying or are you ready to just jump? Yes I promise not to wire it reverse polarity, inspector Clouseau. Just as long as you promise I can make it off grid (spoiler alert, they want your faggot ass reliant on their grid)

>>510447329
Oy vey! Antisemitism! Slide this thread NOW!!!

>>510483479
Nnope. There will be no masses rising up. Member covid? No? Guessed so.

>>510483794
> No one is okay with meth neighboorhoods
Akshually most shitskins don't care as long as they get their immediate mmoney. And then there is synagogue of satan, who just get sexual arousement when others experience misery.

>>510482671
Marx was partially right about the cause (labor value theft being possible), wrong about the perpetrator (it's the people who control the currency , not the owners of the means of production) and doubly wrong about the solution (centralized socialism)

Sorry to say your labor is an objective value. If i move 1 rock in 1 hour i still did an objective quantity of work that produced an objective result. It CAN be quantified in something beyond "time". So is it so crazy to think that the "free market" isn't really that free in real world and manipulated to make labor prices lower than they should be? Isn't that theft of "labor value" regardless whatever Marx imagined?
It applies to feudalism too. Wasn't the labor value of serfs stolen by the land owners? If you own the whole market, you can set the prices you want. And even if you do not own it, if all the landowners of an area simply agree on a convenient rate for labor, then obviously the market isn't free. So if your serfs don't know that the price of their labor is set to exploit them, wouldn't it be wrong and theft?
In that sense the "labor theory of value" is not total bullshit. And look at the example i made above. Technology has progressed, however, a single chocolate ice cream from 2004 to 2024:
>went up 222% in cost
>went down 20% in size
>average wages went up 60% only

Don't you think there is a theft of labor if you have to work much more to have 1/5 less product than you did 20 years ago? Technology has progressed. Productivity has improved. All the ingredients in your ice cream can be produced locally at local wage prices or shipped from abroad at the lowest possible price. There is still global free trade and global shipping rates are still low. So don't you think it's possible, if that increase applies to a lot of products, that your labor value is being extracted by simply setting the wrong conversion between your objective labor and the subjective value the "market" assigns to it?

>>510483659
>the pink shirt is fine with taking advantage of less well off people just so they can pay less for a good or service.
This is definitely the attitude of the lazy middle class that champions woke virtues. The slobs that I know who are massively open borders are so because they want to take advantage of somebody else doing the labour for minimum or subminimum wage.

Half the civil service should be in a gulag.

>>510446860
Prices of clothes just jumped.

>>510452552
Formerly Chuck Rock

>>510447909
Republicans loves body modifications too.

>>510484815
I remember when the price of all potato chips rose by 40% within one week. Just like that, poof, in ALL shops.
On the other hand, i'm not fat anymore.

>>510449568
You said it yourself. We lacks humors and cant memes. After all this is the year of the blackpilled leftist.

>>510446912
Labor works on the same rules of supply and demand
If there are fewer people in the country, the number of workers go down while the number of jobs mostly stays the same. Thus, wages (the cost of labor) goes up. Reducing immigration makes the labor force tighter which means companies have to pay more. It can also result in some products being a lower price since, again, demand goes down with fewer buyers. Real Estate would also drop since there are fewer people who need houses

>>510482882
Even if you factor in the tractor costs and fuel costs and fertilizer, 2 people can still prep-sow-irrigate-fertilize-harvest-cleanup multiple fields in a week that would have taken weeks to hundreds of people, with higher per-field productivity. That tractor cost is easy to offset and pays for itself. Once the know-how and industry to produce tractors exists producing tractors is a quick affair and can be scaled up with economies of scale. Same for fertilizer. The net result is that food in a country with lots of farmland is pretty much post-scarcity and has to export to maintain internal scarcity. In fact these industries are subsidized or the low local margins would ironically kill them. So they act like food *is* low margin, when instead the problem is it's too efficient to work in a for-profit system.

Homesteading is a trap. You quickly realize that keeping 3 animal types and growing 6 veggie types and a field of corn is a full time job that barely nets you anything, versus just planting 200 tomato plants and selling them for money which is far more efficient.

>>510446912
>reekans
>literacy in general

>>510483222
> sure go invent machinery and concrete on your own
the hell are you on about. I can build with local material, laws prohibit me

reminder that stone toss is a Mexican with a mutilated penis.

>>510460167
The concrete industry is completely corrupt, gravel too. Used to be mobbed up and it's still just as broken.

>>510460167
>1 farmer today has 47 times the productivity of a feudal serf
It's much, much higher than that.

>>510467040
Wages can go up, prices can go up, and we don't have to deal with illegals and brown people. This process reduces margins though, and rich people don't like that.

>>510452180
Ever wonder where all those yachts come from? There is a gigantic parasitic rich class trying to make us blame welfare niggers (no bigger welfare niggers than the rich connected to the money printer), while they destroy society with minorities to prevent unity against them. Tankies don't like saying this because its racist.

>>510486183
Homesteading works with perennial forage like fruit trees and berry bushes, vines, etc... farming is the trap. Create a surplus to feed a nigger eater class.... WOW fuck that.

>>510456155
i just use the cd's aol sends in the mail and sometimes i find in a cereal box

>>510488309
good point actually...
If you can setup a food forest it beats having to run around for peanuts

>>510467633
What got ripped
I must know
WHAT GOT RIPPED?!?!?!?

>>510446525 (OP)
Okay I giveup: Where is it?

>>510446525 (OP)
>i'm making crazy money at the corn flakes factory
trumpfags actually believe this

>>510455722
Is that the "pig nig news" guy?

>>510452375
>just live here bro

>>510455792
lmao. perfection

>>510449393
top kek

>>510446912

>>510447329

>>510455957
This exactly, think of all the resources freed up if the illegals were carrying their own weight in Mexico (population 130 million).

>>510447329
That's a really good pasta.