Thread 510466125

HOW???

WHY ARE THE RECEIPIENT COUNTRIES REPORTING HIGHER TRADE VOLUMES???

Who cares about (((global economic indicators))), especially as reported by hostile foreign entities?

>>510466125 (OP)
they're exporting deflation anon

>>510466266
The most radical neoliberal China hating universities did a study and found that if anything they underreport their GDP growth as the bureaucrats fear being accused of fudging the numbers.

In China those found guilty of corruption are executed while in the U.S. they just get a sweetheart plea bargain. It is an entirely different system.

>>510466266
>bloomBERG
>hostile foreign

those bloomberg jews are the biggest supporters of your jewish elite you fucking tard

>>510466429
>The most radical neoliberal China hating universities

Such as? Surely you don't mean any universities in the US.

>>510466300
damn those chinks for making everything cheaper

>>510466266
The only hostile foreign entity is kikes anon.

>>510466125 (OP)
This will change things for sure

>>510466429
>fear fudging the numbers
>so certainly they will fudge them to be lower rather than higher
are you stupid?

>>510466300
explain this

>>510466125 (OP)
because that's how tariffs "work"
all the US did was create a new market for other countries to import from them, then sell to the US as middle men taking a little cut for themselves.
if you want to economically stunt china's economy you'd have to work with all your trade partners to foster even stronger trade relations and create a united trade block against china to further isolate them from global trade.
instead trump decided to say
>fuck everyone, tarriffs on everyone, wait wtf, stop trading more with china, we need to contain them too.

>>510466125 (OP)

>believing disclosed CCP numbers
ngmi

>>510467211
I dunno, in USSR they achieved 5 year plans in 4 or even 3!

>>510466266
Last month, the US Federal Reserve released a comprehesive economic report on China and concluded that China's GDP growth of 5% is likely very real and not overstated.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/is-china-really-growing-at-5-percent-20250606.html

Also you can't fake things like trade data as they can easily be corroborated with import data from other countries. If China was faking its trade reports, the IMF, WTO, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, etc would easily debunk it.

>>510467361

yeah, they planned to eliminate people in five years, and the famines and execution squads finished the job in three. Doesn't mean we should be emulating their leadership.

>>510466125 (OP)
The only 2 things that really matter to the success of a country are manufacturing and innovation. Having a "service-based" economy is doomed to fail once other countries catch up. US atm is just a very bloated service-based economy that our jewish overlords are using to extract as much "wealth" as possible

>>510467481
Btw, a few weeks ago Louis Vuitton opened their biggest flagship store in China and it included a giant ship-shaped installation.
>On Wednesday, a huge, ship-shaped Louis Vuitton store appeared in downtown Shanghai. Built from towering stacks of the brand’s iconic trunks, the 30-meter-high structure is a one-of-a-kind landmark made exclusively for China.
>Set to open June 28, the “giant ship” marks a rare triple debut with a new global flagship store, the Extraordinary Journey exhibition and a fashion show all launching together. Spanning 1,600 square meters and three stories, the space blends fashion, culture and dining, making it Louis Vuitton’s largest flagship worldwide.
>The French brand poured over 100 million yuan ($13.95 million) into building the ship.
>Located in Jing’an’s West Nanjing Road, home to over 2,000 brands and 70% of them global, the Louis Vuitton “ship” adds to the district’s growing status as Shanghai’s fashion hub. The ship store is located next to the second largest Starbucks store in the world.

>>510466125 (OP)
Lets see some numbers OP!

>>510467567
Funny how I can tell you're actually American because you can't get the reference. It was sarcasm. The usual commie times joke was "five-year plan in three days" ("пятилeткa зa тpи дня"; and yes, three days interestingly enough) which was used derisively to describe or comment on wildly unrealistic plans. Many of the stats and numbers they boasted was bullshit or at best manipulation.

>>510467153
pretty much. thats why i supported trump. i knew he would fuck america over. i want america to die because i hate america and jews.

>>510466125 (OP)
>he thinks tariffs are meant to temporarily hurt other countries
Many such cases.

>>510466125 (OP)
Maybe, just maybe, Trump is an Idiot that hasn't realize that there's a dozen nations wanting to replace the US in the global economy.

>>510466125 (OP)
Trump is a fucking loser.

>>510466125 (OP)
Tariffs help protect domestic industries. But jewmerica has no domestic industries. Not real ones. Expecting tariffs to bring back domestic manufacturing to this corrupt shithole is full blown retardation

>>510467705
>yabba dabba dindu nuffin

flip flopping on tariffs is the stupidest thing someone can do, it makes retailers panic and bulk buy before the tariffs hit, then sell stuff wholesale because they have having stock, then the tariffs go down and they return to importing, the only thing you accomplished was boosting imports every time you started threatening tariffs

>>510468007
this
crashing dollar with no survivor
also funny how flip still suck american cock while getting tariff

>>510467858
hey, go back to the frontline piggie

>>510466125 (OP)
>Bloomberg
Lol

>>510466125 (OP)
They are working chinas “gdp” only grew by massive increases in subsidies

Aka the government just spending money and pretending it’s real growth

>>510469007
nigger half your "gdp" is the government giving money to lockheed

>>510467858
The difference is that China is highly integrated into the global economy compared to the Soviet Union so you can get data from multinational companies.

For instance, 40% of BMW's sales comes from China and it's 37% for Mercedes Benz.VW had 50% of its sales from China at one point. Buick has something like 80% of all it's sales going to China and that's only with 2.5% of the market share there. For Tesla, it's 35%. While KFC has 4300 locations in the US, China has 10k+ locations.

Starbucks has 6500 stores in China and they're going to expand to 9000 by the next 3 years, that's a new store in China every 9 hours so they can sell their overpriced coffee. McDonalds is opening 900 more new stores in China this year alone and targeting 10,000 stores by 2028. Hilton Hotels is expanding by the hundreds, etc. there's a Disneyland in Shanghai and a Universal Studios in Beijing. There are 1533 Nike Stores and 3155 Pizza Huts. There are Walmarts in China with Pizza Hu

35% of Apple's net sales are from China. The biggest market for the gaming company Steam is China with an annual revenue of $10 billion, that's followed by the US market with $3.2 billion, etc. The movie Avengers: Endgame made $630 million from China (that's more than it made in Europe and India combined). The company Take Two (that produces games like GTA) recently revealed that half of its sales comes from China.

>>510469198
There are Walmarts in China with Pizza Huts attatched to it*

>>510469198
Lego has 1000 Lego Stores worldwide but 500 Lego Stores are in China. Lego has a lot of American investors, Menlo Ventures is one of them.

>>510466125 (OP)
China and America are well on the way to fully decoupling. Visit Taiwan while you can. It won't be a country for much longer.

>>510466694
damn that's a lot of black ink
wonder if they got charged extra for that ad

>>510466125 (OP)
They are working. They've already made America $100 billion richer, and most of the tariffs haven't even kicked in yet.

>>510466125 (OP)
China is slowly starving from it, though. It's working well, and China better bow down the negotiations table or continue to suffer hunger as their tofu dregs crumble and bury them.

>>510466429
What does a gringo from a poor nation know about economics? You're a commie and you obsess over your rich neighbor because you can't do anything better.

>>510469704
I trust Fox about as much as Ching Ching Ping Pong News

>>510466125 (OP)
>WHY ARE THE RECEIPIENT COUNTRIES REPORTING HIGHER TRADE VOLUMES
Because they're measured in USD and there's still no fucking manufacturing here.

>>510471030
No I can believe it. Everything more expensive. Everything still made in China. Jewish rentseeking off the charts.

>>510469198
Nothing personnel, wumao.

>>510468538
Based Citlali enjoyer

>>510469704
But the $100 billion is from american businesses paying tax to the government and then passing the cost onto the consumer

>>510466125 (OP)
trusting chang to provide the actual numbers is something only a gorilla ape french retard would do

>>510466125 (OP)
China declared themselves Numbah Wan again? What a shocker.

HORREEESHEEIT!

Imagine you make 1 tiny mistake on your work that day now you have to go back and correct 30+ copies!!!

>>510471558
rebut these posts >>510467481
>>510469198

werent those tariffs delayed 3 times so they havent even been in effect at all yet

>>510466771
Fudging them down is safer.
Saying the are higher than they actually are was a major reason for the collapse of the USSR. If you lie by saying more wheat is produced than actually is and more bread is made from that than actually was then you will have bread queues, shortages and maybe even supply chain collapse. Hence people doing that will be executed.

>>510466125 (OP)
They are working. China is paying the deficit.

>>510471682
They had 10%+ growth one year.
LOOOOL

>>510466125 (OP)
If you tariff every country at once, each country has to find new trading partners. Which conveniently are in high supply because you decided to do it to everyone.

>>510471553
GDP went up. GDP per capita went up. It's the tide, and all the little ships get lifted with it.
America is richer and China is poorer. It's win-win.

>>510466125 (OP)
where is Peter Zeihnan when you need him???

>>510471030
Melenia Trump watches Fox News and Trump bases his policy on how that news makes her feel.

>>510466125 (OP)
tariffs have 3 goals
enable insider trading
increase taxes on muttoids
push foreigners to isolate China
2 of 3 ain't bad

>>510466125 (OP)
Isn't there a government surplus?
Sounds like it's working to me.

>>510466429
Oh you sweet trusting little thing

>>510466125 (OP)
What are they even supposed to do? It's just an additional tax on consumers.

>>510466125 (OP)
>don't sell us your computer chips or pay more money
>WAIT NOOOOOO DONT SELL THOSE CHIPS TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE MY STOCK MARKET IS INFLATING AHHHHHH!!!!!

>>510471374
Give me the skinny, what's the story behind picrel?

>>510472639
an LLM told the boomers it was a good idea for more tax harvesting because they've never bought a computer part in their life>>510472716

>>510466125 (OP)
Tariffs are working, USA just posted a record budget surplus which hasn't happened in a long while now. Tariffs aren't meant to hurt other countries except tangentially, they are designed to help USA (which is why China uses tariffs to help themselves)

>>510467153
This is why Im not worried about any of it. China has had tariffs for ever and they have been huge in my industry. China is destroying itself.

>>510471935
but the post was in reply to people saying the data was fake when trade data can easily be cross references with other countrie's imports. also china's GDP growth is acknowledge as real by the US Federal Reserve after they looked into the data. if you wanna switch goal post... china's 10% growth rates years ago may have meant hundreds of billions in growth. Now a “low” 5% growth rate on a ~20tn economy means a trillion dollars in expansion and represents like 1/3rd of global growth and more than the US, EU and Japan combined. It’s actually nuts. South Korea is the only country to have reached the 13k+ gdp per capita milestone and then sustained average GDP growth above 5% for another decade. if you look further into it, China is the same GDP per capita nominal as South Korea circa 2003 and it's growing faster than South Korea was at the time. In PPP per capita terms, China is currently south Korea circa 2005 but is growing as fast as South Korea was in the 90s.

>>510466125 (OP)
While their literally sitting there making christmas products for westerners.

>>510466266
>tf
>tp
you are the hostile foreign entity, my dude

I don't care which country you are.
If you start petty economic wars for no reason when everyone can win, you deserve to lose along with people who support you.
I don't support spiritual incel chuds.

>>510467733
Watching China become capitalist is fascinating. How long do you think it takes before they realize the spectacle doesn’t actually make their lives better

>>510466125 (OP)
The domestic production line was just a lie to get people to accept higher prices on the average person, so the goverment could pay for tax cuts on the rich. Also inflation says hello.
>inbf, muh surplus
Spending is going to go up a ton and wipe it out. The military is getting a nearly 200 billion boost to spending.

>>510472761
Xinnie and his daughter IIRC.

>>510466125 (OP)
lmao
chinese will lose to the indian diaspora
chinese men are too weak and sissy to compete against bharat bulls
this isnt chinese succes but chinese cope in fear of india

>>510471030
Read Times of India
Indians are the only source of truth.

>>510469198
These number are nothing to the coming Indian age.

>>510473557
nigga i've seen every one of u pajeets getting absolutely destroyed by chinks in the ufc. you're the weakest race in the world

>>510473655
Everyone on /pol/ should be reading Times of India for clickbait content to repost here.

>>510466125 (OP)
>WHY AREN'T THE TARIFFS WORKING???

They are. The US government reported a surplus for the first time in 20 years last month. The national debt actually went down for the first time in 20 years.

>>510473234
They love and live for capitalism, the spectacle is what they revel in. They will genuinely become the greatest capitalist power in history.
America is truly retarded for giving China this gift, we had subdued their economic supremacy with all other European and Asian powers combined, and the Japanese and Russians dealt them a crushing blow with the war and communism, all for you retards to hand it back to them on a silver platter because of your cock measuring contests with Moscow.

>>510466125 (OP)
China figures they can eat the cost now and once Trump is out of office in a few years things will go back to the way they were before Trump. Im sure multinational business leaders have assured them of this.

>>510475073
>out of office
Did Biden remove all of the Trump tariff's from his first term?

>>510467733
Do they allow hand fans and Bluetooth speakers on board?

>>510466125 (OP)
This is just India importing goods from China and then selling it to the US as Indian goods

>>510468848
go back to sucking our cock lmao

>"le Chinese numbers... LE FAKE!!!"
>*proof where US government entities tallied up "imports from China" from every country in the world does indeed matches up with China's export totals*
>if anything, China is actually UNDERSTATING their exports so the US would tariff them less

Why is /pol/ so hilariously retarded?

chink numbers ARE fake, we can tell because of satellite imagery and the amount of light not increasing with the supposed activity, unlike in transparent systems

>>510473266
Are the bug runes talking about some sort of scandal?

>>510466125 (OP)
the US is broke and they'll just lessen trade with us, avoiding the tariffs altogether

>>510479451
>pretends that Li Keqiang never existed
>calls others retarded
you sure are special

The USD is crashing.
China prices everything in USD.
So US tariffs mean lower China prices for the rest of the world.
Meaning that the rest of the world goes on a China spending spree

>>510480632
Yes, he's playing you for a fool. He lied about lying China's GDP figures, and you fell for it like the retard you are.

Any country can check China's export figures with every country's import figures.

But sure, keep believing China's collapsing.

>m-me so poor, m-me GDP falling...

Jesus died for our sins you guys

>>510466429
>In China those found guilty of corruption are executed
That's just some corrupt factions purging other corrupt factions. China is like Arabia in that regard.

>>510466266
A study by US Federal Reserve staff

>Our findings suggest that recent GDP growth figures, which have been in line with the stated target, appear to align closely with broader Chinese economic indicators and do not appear to be overstated.
>We find that the recent near-target growth has been driven by a strong supply-side performance, supported by sustained global demand for Chinese goods and industrial policies promoting self-reliance.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/is-china-really-growing-at-5-percent-20250606.html

>>510466808
Basically, they sell cheap stuff

>>510466125 (OP)
Trade with the US is like 3% of china's GDP, maybe 4% including goods routed through other countries. This is true for many other countries. The media just likes to sensationalize everything

>>510480632
I assume you're talking about the leaked US State Department memo claiming Li Keqiang told US ambassador Clark Randt in 2007:

>Li Keqiang [...] described the challenges he faces as a provincial leader to the Ambassador
over dinner on March 12.

>GDP figures are "man-made" and therefore unreliable, Li said. When evaluating Liaoning's economy, he focuses on three figures: 1) electricity consumption, which was up 10 percent in Liaoning last year; 2) volume of rail cargo, which is fairly accurate because fees are charged for each unit of weight; and 3) amount of loans disbursed, which also tends to be accurate given the interest fees charged. By looking at these three figures, Li said he can measure with relative accuracy the speed of economic growth. All other figures, especially GDP statistics, are "for reference only," he said smiling.

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07BEIJING1760_a.html

Note that Li was specifically talking about the GDP numbers of Liaoning province, not the central government numbers.

It's also worth noting that Li Keqiang's alternative index doesn't work in the long term because of changes of the sectoral composition of the economy over time. It wasn't a problem for Li because he only was party secretary of Liaoning for 4 years, so his alternative index would've worked well enough for him.

>>510466125 (OP)
The Art of Retard

>>510479997
If you look at light levels, North Korea's economy is extremely backward. If you look at space launches, North Korea's economy is quite advanced. This demonstrates the idiocy of using a single proxy variable to estimate the economy when there are myriads of variables at play.

China's economy is quite peculiar, so you can't compare with economies that work differently. For example, they rely heavily on rail transportation and factories often have adjacent worker dormitories, making street lighting less important. North Korea is even more extreme in this regard, because they have so little oil and so much coal.

>>510474871
The US government often has monthly surpluses. The US had monthly surpluses in 2005, 2006, 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. This is because of calendar effects and payment scheduling.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MTSDS133FMS

US tariff revenue in 2025 was $27B, up $20B compared to June 2024. This is tiny and was not the reason for the surplus. Rather, it was that in June outlays were $499B whereas in May outlays were $687B. This is likely because of payment scheduling

https://fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/mts/mts0625.pdf
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/static-data/published-reports/mts/MonthlyTreasuryStatement_202505.pdf

>>510474871
The US government often has monthly surpluses. For example, the US had surpluses in June 2005, 2006, 2008, 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. This is because of calendar effects and payment scheduling, not because the government has balanced the budget.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MTSDS133FMS

US tariff revenue in 2025 was $27B, up $20B compared to June 2024. This is tiny and was not the reason for the surplus. Rather, it was that in June outlays were $499B whereas in May outlays were $687B. This is probably because of payment scheduling

https://fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/mts/mts0625.pdf
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/static-data/published-reports/mts/MonthlyTreasuryStatement_202505.pdf

>>510469704
US sales taxes bring in about $450B per year. I guess that means sales taxes make America about $450B richer per year

>>510488020
>in 2025
*in June 2025