>ai bad
y tho

>>510524346 (OP)
Change scary.

>>510524346 (OP)
They prefer non harmful tech like those relating to abortion and giving a child gender changing hormones

>>510524346 (OP)
unfortunately "Artists" will be forced to actually make physical things instead of shitty adobe graphics.

>>510524346 (OP)
I think artists that are making art for themselves or to be appreciated by others like me are fine. If you are trying to make money from art... I dunno what to tell ya. It's the second industrial revolution. Find something else to do. It is what it is.

>>510524346 (OP)
Agency
>NOOO YOU HAVE TO SPEND 300$ ON A COMMISSION FOR YOUR GAY ASS FANFIC WITH THIS CHARACTER AND YOU FROM THAT ONE SHOW
>NOOOO YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE FROM THE AI, I WENT FOR 5 YEARS TO ART SCHOOL!
Same reason why women get mad at whores, because whores deliver that women promise to do.
If you ask yourself "why is this that way and not that way" usually it's about agency, power and/or money if not all three.

>>510524346 (OP)
Riddle me this humanoid: if AI art is "slop", why did it deal a mental health blow to artists?

Artists don’t produce what I crave in sufficient quantity anyway.

>>510524346 (OP)
anything that can be digitised/quantified will be collected and eventually AI'd

these chaps probably think they've got a comfy job, but they're just generating training data for their machine replacements

It's always the same deviantart retards crying. Your stupid werewolf art was never going to make you a living.

>>510524346 (OP)
You know what's really silly? Some of these artists could have AI just do simple shit like create backgrounds or match color palettes or any other sort of 'legwork' to assist a creation of theirs. Yet, they would rather gripe and complain that it's taking their jobs.

They also claim that AI art takes no effort when it's shown you get better 'results' if you know how to properly (logically) describe what you want to be generated. If you "talk machine" good in your prompts, the output is leagues above a simple "general" prompt. In a way, AI art is just art expression for people with more left-brained dominance rather than right-brained dominance.

This is nothing more than a lack of adaptation. But, people would rather be victims so they choose to allow the situation to control them for additional victimhood points. It's just...sad.

>>510524551
This. Digital art can't compare. I know an academic painter. He lives well. His paintings are insane. Like a window into a more beautiful world. Too bad I can't afford luxuries like that.

>>510524346 (OP)
>Modern technology has deprived people of autonomy. In pre-industrial times, people had more control over their own lives. A craftsman could own his tools and work independently. Today, workers are utterly dependent on vast systems they cannot influence
imagine learning a craft and then some techbros make you homeless. I'd be mad too

>>510524527
Underrated.

>>510524346 (OP)
Does AI ruin vidya?

>>510524346 (OP)
Further centralizes power towards the techno feudalists.

>>510524346 (OP)
artfags have being sabotaging and gatekeeping newcomers all for pride and for keep their benefits, they deserve it

>>510524704
I think this is the main point that "niche" artists were making money off of. It used to be that to get a picture of something specific you either had to get lucky, make it yourself, or pay somebody. Now you can just prompt Stable Diffusion and get what you want in a minute. (such as pic related, some cyborg woman)

>>510524346 (OP)
I’ve been through this a million times with you
It’s not worth it anymore

Good luck

AI sucks ass, but its for midwits so I dont really care in particular. Im fine with my drawings though.

>>510524988
Whoops, that one was pixel art-ish. Behold the true power of not paying some degenerate artist and enslaving technology.

>>510524693
>AI trained on human outputs
HURRRR DURRRR AI "ART" IS SLOP
>In conclusion, all art is slop.
Most niggas crying about AI Art don't even know who Dash Snow is. Have never heard of Diane Arbus. They know absolutely nothing about art history. All they know is really shitty fanfic/Fur Porn, Adobe Illustrator, digital drawings. That's it. That's their whole knowledge of Art.

>>510524988
I think cyborg woman I think something more like pic related

I feel bad for artists because there are a thousand other jobs that should have been replaced first, but instead, artists who spent time learning their work now have to retrain for the wagecuck hustle. It would be better if they just introduced AI en masse and made us all unemployed so we can get UBI (hopefully without taking the mark of the beast). Poor fellas.

The majority of these so-called “artists” were just narcissistic fags making the same cookie cutter fantasy game/tumblr art or furry porn. Those people don’t matter.

>>510525311
All there is out there is meme jobs faggot.

>>510525238
Really cute how people think UBI will exist. We'll be living like rats anin.

>>510525377
A man can dream.

>>510525401
Kek, well if you want to survive no joke get assets that generate cash flow. That's the only way anyone will.make anything

>>510524774
I have a handful of original oil paintings that I picked up cheap from estate sales. Everything else is just stuff myself or my family made (watercolors/objects) really makes a house feel like home.

>>510525213
Either way, it shows how prompting can cater any image to what you're looking for.

>>510524346 (OP)
>"Hello I would like to commission 8 or 10 pieces from you for a project..."
>>"That will 2000 dollars per drawing, with a 6 month wait time. Also I only have 3 commission slots still free so..."
>>"Wait, no, why are doing it yourself with AI, waaaaaaaaait!!§§"
The fuck did they expect? An alternative that would put an end to their abusive practices would have popped out sooner or later.

>b-but muh living
Fuck off.
Here artists have a special status that guarantee them full pay even if they work only 3 months per years.
People with actual jobs would *love* to have it as "hard" as artfags do.

>>510524896
>vidya
Still too primitive to be generating games yet. AI has yet to even progress to logic and physics in a real time environment

>>510525311
>chk'd
This is my point also. Most of these "artists" have absolutely no education in art. They learned watching YT How To's. Which is fine. Their consumption of art has been mostly corporate, MCU movies for example.

>>510525311
Good artists also hate ai

>>510525374
These meme jobs are the kind everyone glorifies such as being a model, a DJ, or a celebrity. Those are the jobs going away. That’s a good thing. Basically, nobody can make money being a goof or a whore and actually have to be real again.

These artists whining were never artists. They were business people first. They didn’t make art for passion. They made it for profit and attention.

>>510524346 (OP)
AI will never replace artists but it will free them to do art instead of coomer waifu and furry pics.

>>510525576
In the same vein, there are a lot of aspects of art that AI is far from doing to a satisfactory level. By the time we see entire movies and TV shows being made with AI (which aren't garbage slop quality), we'll probably see video games being made with it too

>>510524346 (OP)
Ah the replay of the ice vendors in the age of refrigeration surely they are more handy but my ice is clean and natural fished straight from the arctic oceans. I would be ok with the whine if it was plain hatred that gatekeeping in image generation is lowered which means less cash for them instead of making bullshit excuses of "soul" and "real" and whatever.

>>510524346 (OP)
I will use her style to create nsfw
What's this whore called?

>>510525644
All great artists made money from it, because in order to maxx out your potential, you have to devote yourself to art full time. If you're just a hobbyist then chances are you'll stay mid forever.

>>510524751
This. AI will eventually learn to do literally any job that can be done on a computer

Internet artist just means porn artist, they are just like onlyfans with a little more dignity

The seethe AI causes is hilarious

>>510524346 (OP)
I don't understand why these artists are all pissing and shitting about AI. Don't you do art because you love it? Because you have something to say? Why the fuck would niggers being able to make slop affect you? OH WAIT IT'S ABOUT MONEY haha my bad you fucking greedy fucking cunts it's about the money. They want to make art to make money which usually mean they make slop anyway so they are directly competing with AI because AI can shit out better slop faster than them. My bad. I thought you niggers were "artists" not slop makers. Faggots.

>>510525921
>all women
kek

>>510524346 (OP)
Lol, I took this screenshot like 2 and a half years ago, what the hell.

>>510525962
Ai spams market places

>>510524346 (OP)
it will be alright.

>>510525962
You're acting like making a living from a skillset is somehow a shameful. The kind of retard who thinks the starving artist is admirable, not because he's an artist, but because he's starving

>>510524346 (OP)
Voice actress Gray Delisle says AI voices are basically sexual assault

AI art still sucks

>>510524346 (OP)
The only people that think this are artists because part of their value is how long it takes them to do it. AI reduces that value.
Software engineers still like AI eventhough it can code because our value is from knowing how all the systems interact, not just code.
Basically they have no value and that's scary.

>>510524764
>>510524346 (OP)
>>510524660
A big part of it is sunk cost fallacy; for example, faggot PHD's who get mad at people using AI to collect and summarize sources for research on a topic, because when they were grinding for their degrees, they had to fly over to a different state to get to the library because they didn't even have the benefit of having the specific knowledge they needed online for the most part, and damnit if these fucking kids can just LOOK IT UP then they don't deserve a degree!!
Tangentially, I just graduated, and the only instructors who were actually schizo tier paranoid about AI and who made us sign "course contracts" to not use AI while threatening to fail all of our grades if they even think we used an AI were arts PHD's.

>>510525921
They hate it because they know even some Chads will pick true AI waifus over them, not to mention that they want to maintain an underclass of useful men that keep society's infrastructure running.

>>510525056
What AI generator is that?

>>510524764
Krita AI requires skill.

>>510524346 (OP)
ai only replaces talentless hacks. if my ai dbz fanart scares you then you're a bigger loser than me

>>510526271
>Fart Rape

>>510525644
Ai didn’t kill those jobs
Saturation did

>>510524346 (OP)
No idea. I, for one, am looking forward for Anglo culture to reach its ultimate destination where all the regular commercial slop gets replaced with bottom-tier machine-generated regurgitations and stagnates. The days of Anglos exporting degenerate but superficially appealing media are basically behind us and good riddance.

>>510526129
Probably

>>510526412
Stable Diffusion with the model WAI Mature Illustrious
https://civitai.com/models/1359594/wai-mature-illustrious

>>510524782
>imagine learning a craft and then some techbros make you homeless. I'd be mad too
If you didn't want to be replaced you shouldn't have sold out, wagie. People who create actual art are inherently unaffected by this.

>>510526271
Why are roasties so obsessed with sex?

>>510526159
You're right, I'm being hyperbolic because I'm just resentful of artists who I personally know who have been up in arms about AI. Before AI they would say things like "I don't care about selling my work" or "I would do this even if no one saw it." but now that AI is encroaching on their space suddenly it's a problem that they can't sell their work or it get's buried because of AI slop. I agree with you, people who make art should make money for their work, I've tried to draw and make music and it's really fucking hard and a legitimate skill that deserves compensation for the time and effort to develop. What I disagree with is that many artists acted as if they didn't care about compensation and did it for the love of the craft but now that there is a existential threat to their livelihood they are entitled to exist and it is immoral for them to be out competed.

>>510526495
So how i make these*

>>510524346 (OP)

>>510526533
Thanks, King.

>>510526578
>Why are roasties so obsessed with sex?
idk man

>>510524346 (OP)
>y tho
Once shareholders pressure kino studios into adopting it under the threat of defunding, it will seep and bleed into everything we care about.
Shareholders pressured studios into giving up hand-drawn animation.
Shareholders pressured studios into giving up claymation.
Shareholders pressured studios into giving up live VFX.
Soon, shareholders will even pressure studios into giving up 3d model animation.
Whoever controls the money controls the slopping.

>>510524346 (OP)
Because people mostly use hosted models, which means more power to the megacorps, which is bad.

>>510524346 (OP)
>invent printing
>REEEE our handwritten books are replaced by soulless reproductions
>invent photography
>REEEE our representational painting is replaced by a soulless device
>invent photoshop
>REEEE our long-honed skills are replaced by pressing buttons on a soulless computer
>invent AI
>...

>>510524764
>Some of these artists could have AI just do simple shit like create backgrounds or match color palettes or any other sort of 'legwork' to assist a creation of theirs.
That would gradually degrade their abilities - an obvious point you won't comprehend because you lack skills or talents of any kind.

>They also claim that AI art takes no effort when it's shown you get better 'results' if you know how to properly (logically) describe what you want to be generated.
Relative to developing actual art skills, it takes no effort. Either way, it takes no artistic effort and no artistic competence to generate AI slop.

>>510525741
Great artists didn’t acquire value until they died. Artists used to make art for god or gods rather than profit.

You do goon ethically right anons?
I support real artists

>>510526987
I only goon to AI porn, it doesn't harm real women :)

>>510526975
>Artists used to make art for god or gods rather than profit.
Artists used to make art for the patrons who funded them, but those patrons sought out the most talented artists they could afford and the artists preferred the most wealthy patrons that could fund their grand projects.

>>510524346 (OP)
Good fuck artfags glad to see them die off. People are still paying for art commissions btw so they will be fine.

>>510525741
This isn't really true, though, most artists were poor as fuck. The most famous, of course, was Van Gogh; some outliers existed like Rafael and Michaelangelo, but they too were poor as shit until the Pope paid them to spend the rest of their lives decorating the vatican.

>>510526271
Look at the old used up hag

>>510526987
For me, it's e621.

>>510524346 (OP)
man if youre getting straight up run out of the business by lowly AI slop, you got much bigger problems

>>510527407
>getting straight up run out of the business by lowly AI slop
That's going to happen to nearly all commercial illustrators in Amurderica before the end of the decade, though.

>>510525094
Yea

Makes me sad, i frequently recommend drawing techniques and practice material for artists like tracing your face in a mirror or drawing an image instead of a scene and the god dammed retard trannies eyes glaze over because i'm not talking about gay sex.

>>510527349
For me it's her.

>>510526578
>>510526686
Women are inherently sexual and often subconsciously so; it is an epigenetic behavior. Their cost-benefit system, both externally and intrinsically is predicated on the perceived value of her vagina (reproductive capabilities). Ever notice how the go-to woman tactic in any argument is some combination of shaming and a denial of access to her pussy?
>You're being very unmanly
>if you keep doing that you're sleeping on the couch tonight/I'll break up with you/I'll divorce you (all of these and all derivatives of them are actually the same thing: a denial of access to her reproductive abilities)
>You're an incel/girls hate you/you'll never have sex/etc. (this is ALSO the same thing, but since in these scenarios they cannot use their own holes to manipulate you, they use the hypothetical holes of other women to do so)
Anything that threatens the perceived value of their vaginas terrifies them on an almost unconscious level as it undermines most of their perceived power in gender relations. This is why even women who aren't insane feminists still, generally support feminism and other women collectively, because collective female socio-political interests has historically expanded their ability to leverage their vaginas individually or collectively while regulating the methods men have to counterbalance that leverage; e.g. supporting abortion and sex work even though they themselves don't want to actually have an abortion or be a prostitute.

>>510524782
I would not be, quite simply your art has already had to pass a very strict filter to make money. By year 2000 is was basically the options for a full time artist were basically.
>be jewish
>draw porn
>starve

AI art is a godsend for real artists.

>>510524693
>Riddle me this humanoid: if AI art is "slop", why did it deal a mental health blow to artists?
Because they're confronted for the first time with the fact that their niggercattle audience has only the most rudimentary visual faculties and can't actually appreciate any of the effort or expertise they think they're displaying. Niggercattle only notices that an image is slop when there's an extra finger.

>>510527508
Oh well. Everything doesnt last forever just like music artists no longer make millions from album sales. Boo hoo. The times have changed. You were never entitled to a career in the "arts"

>>510527709
Femminism reduces the value of pussy tho so the women are btfoing themselves here.

>Be an illustrator
>Companies pay me to make art for their games and books and stuff
>Literally none of them have ever been like "You know, we don't want to pay your rates because we can just have Bob make stuff with Midjourney for free."
>They continue to hire me, continue to pay me. Even private clients do.

Do I wish I started working professionally before AI was a thing? Sure, yeah, it would have helped a little. But no company is going to use it because it just doesn't do what they need it to. Maybe in the future, it'll be a thing for sure, but right now there's the distinct problem of AI stuff always looking generically like AI. There's a set of styles and looks that anyone can identify, and companies don't want that because it makes it look cheap and easy to replicate. Who wants to sell a product where your branding looks exactly like every Youtube thumbnail or internet meme?

So yeah, I'm fine. I'm good. This is entirely unrelated to AI, but when I was a kid I grew up playing Magic and D&D and you told me even a couple of years ago I would get the offer to do art for one of those, I'd have flipped my shit. Well, I did get offered to do a Magic card(s), and I fucking turned them down because Wizards is a horrible company now and they asked me to do art for one of these retarded crossover sets.

>>510527784
That's very cool. See >>510526468
>I, for one, am looking forward for Anglo culture to reach its ultimate destination where all the regular commercial slop gets replaced with bottom-tier machine-generated regurgitations and stagnates. The days of Anglos exporting degenerate but superficially appealing media are basically behind us and good riddance.

>>510524346 (OP)
Rip kuffar birthrates

>>510527811
It doesn't, actually, it only reduces the value of pussy if men are allowed to engage in volcel MGTOW shit, which is both a very recent phenomenon and one which has received an utterly vitriolic pushback - and of course, the reason for that is the same as explained in the rest of my post.

>>510527688
>nuClaire
Nope. Darkside Chronicles Claire was the best one.

They can #dosomethingelse

once again the story and world builders will rule the day as the artist and coder sits in the back

>>510527838
I'd say that another main problem with AI pictures is that they're super inconsistent, even with important details, like if a character's defining trait is having big red horns AI will miss it 9 out of 10 times and the 1 time it does generate it it just looks off and not in the right place, or generates 3 horns for some reason etc, if you want to do anything with persistent characters with defining traits then AI is a nightmare to use

>>510527709
>webmrel
Didn't she recently start an OF or something
>"You've lost the privilege of looking"

>>510527992
>story and world builders will rule the day
Kek. The "story and world builders" are all using LLMs at this point.

>>510527962
Well, to be fair, I'm an OG Jill fanboy, but I don't have pictures of her. Enjoy Albedo.

>>510526858
Are they wrong? Compare “art” today with art from 500 years ago

>>510528049
and it's all shit non will be as memorable as those with the talent (autism) to make entire worlds in their mind.
My story will be made and once AI can code and do art on a top human level ill make it and it will be GRAND

>>510528170
>Compare “art” today with art from 500 years ago
Art today is vastly more interesting.

they should just switch to physical art using real paint. motor skills do not go away

>>510528007
I'm not sure how "AI for production" manages to actually do anything, my guess is it's just a case of stuffing a prompt into a generator and having it output 10,000 images and hoping one of them gets everything right. And yeah, there will be some companies that opt for that, I mean from what I understand like 100% of the adult video game market is just being taken over by AI because the one thing it's consistently ok at is generating generic naked women.

But professionally, I'm not threatened. By and large, it's a tool that the average person can use, and while someone might say "I can use Midjourney to generate pictures of a character I like, so I don't have to commission you", yeah those exist, but those people would have never hired me anyway because they don't place the value on my work enough to consider it worth paying for, they're in the market for something free not something that costs money.

I don't even do many small commissions like that anymore anyway, I fill my schedule with published stuff.

Have you seen Snowfall Esoterics video on simulacra?

>>510528227
>once """AI""" can do real work beyond stringing together tokens
Two more weeks. In the meanwhile, you are competing squarely with AI at the token-stringing business.

After seeing Grok 3 I fully support AI. All the parasites working lazy girl jobs can get fucked.

>>510528312
>All the parasites working lazy girl jobs can get fucked.
AI HR when?

>>510527838
AI can be trained to mimic any existing piece of art. The only AI art that "looks like AI art" is the kind that uses generic training data, it is becoming increasingly common for people to mistake run of the mill garden variety digital art sloppa as AI art. But the real value of AI art is that it allows an artist to expedite their own workflow by being able to generate an almost complete piece that only needs to be refined by hand. A sufficiently talented artist could even train an AI exclusively on their own portfolio to assist them in this manner.
The only people being threatened by this are mediocre artists who can't do better than slop that gets mistaken for AI yet want to coast off of patreon commissions for the rest of their lives.

>>510524346 (OP)
>13 hours ago
more like 2 years ago lmao

>>510526559
yea
this
and frankly id argue that the world being flooded by procgen slop will, ultimately, drive the value of human art UP, at some point. scarcity is a big factor in arts pricing already. now they just made it so everyones paranoid that everythings AI. so if you paint an actual painting? problem solved

even in the most cynical of views (and/or if your """art""" is just you doing inflation gay diaper furfag smuts for commissions), it still has value as training data. AI models already have a huge problem with incestuous training data (since they technically stole all of it by just blindly scraping the web. which turned out to be a REAL retarded idea and made a lot of models noticeably worse)
but like has been said ITT by you and others, anyone who has an actual medium outside making photoshop doodles is unaffected by this. and itll likely remain that way for the foreseeable future

>>510525881
I'm afraid I disagree, anon. If any, they are like OF with CP.

>>510528382
lol even

>>510524346 (OP)
Imagine sculptors who become suicidal because an engineer mechanized one of their tools. You are too incompetent to include "AI" in your workflow and leverage it AND aren't good enough an artist and marketeer to establisg a brand, then you're the problem -- not "AI".

>>510527962
>>510528068
I really dislike how much of her personality was lost in the modern remakes

>>510527838
Its the same spergout talentless hacks had when photoshop and flash started getting decent, "Nooo! We need to stop digital art because it will kill off artistry! No one will hand animate, it will all be automated. No one will compose photos because you can fix it in post!" Its so fucking tiresome. People haven't been replaced at all, they've just gotten more efficient. AI can remove some cunt in the background, but its not sitting there finger on the button snapping a moment in time, people still want to see actual photos of the actual genocide in the Congo or Gaza instead of some computer's imagining. AI can make some character float around or smile, but anyone with a basic understanding of art can do that, everyone enjoys seeing animators doing something new with super stylised anime fight scenes instead of two character tweening towards each other.

AI is just another tool in a talented person's belt. Its just helping make the tedious parts of the job more bearable. Adapt and create, if you can't do that then you have no right to call yourself an artist.

>>510528355
>The only people being threatened by this

I'm telling you, no one is threatened. Your entire batch of cope doesn't change the fact that companies aren't getting in bed with it, because they don't want the brand risk. Bad publicity, lack of copyright control, and lack of ability to tie their branding to a specific look. So yes, cool, AI can do everything. I'm happy for it and for you. But in the real world, people consider it retarded and a novelty at absolute best.

>>510528454
Yep, in the first RE one notices that she cares for her team, in the 3rd one notices that she also cares for others, in the demake she is just a feminist bitch, really sucked that one.

>>510526388
This is a real reason for the seethe.

A phd took 10+ years, and MOST of that 10 years was wasted. Bullshit pointless research that takes 10x longer than it theoretically needs to because travel, red tape, bureaucracy, physical record keeping.

They weren't special, they just had the access to the institutions and money for it. Now you don't need into the building to have the knowledge. Like how every high school grad theoretically should know the principals of chemistry these days, back in the day people couldn't fucking read, period.

But these douchebags are left holding the bag from their degree lol.

>>510524346 (OP)
>be me
>artfag
>follow at lot of artists
>AI starts getting popular
>have to unfollow the vast majority of people I follow because they either:
>1. stopped doing art and now only complain about AI
>they ain't gonna make
>2. they were shit at art but now spam fuck their timelines with AI art
>they ain't gonna make it (algo will fuck them)
>only people left are people that don't care and just draw art

Honestly AI has been a godsend for me and my art. Now instead of looking through 100's of danbooru pages to find decent references I can literally just generate the references I need. Saving me A LOT of time.
Plus now I don't follow a bunch of people who we're whiny little gimps.

>>510524346 (OP)
>Me genning fox women right now while tailless fefails cry
This will be a good day!

>>510524551
Robots Will take that from them too.

>>510524704
Looks like amigo Manara ripoff

>>510528404
>the world being flooded by procgen slop will, ultimately, drive the value of human art UP, at some point
I'll go further and say it will eventually cause a cultural schism between niggercattle and real people, at which point "AI art" will become a nonissue. It'll just be part of niggercattle "culture", to be viewed as the mental equivalent of Indians smearing themselves with shit, not some shared problem to contend with.

>>510528355
i could see it like that too desu
its the "drum machine/sequencer" of the arts
its not a 1:1 replacement, its just a new tool. yes, itll put some bad drummers out of work. but drummers STILL arent going extinct, even decades after the proliferation of sequencers. im sure itll be the same here

>>510524527
spbp

>>510528312
Nigger please you wouldn't be complaining if you worked said job.

>>510528248
That's not how it works. Maybe if you're just some normie using a browser based sloppa model. Actual for production AI is trained on reference data in instances. E.g. if I want an AI to produce a background texture for a vidya game of (X) I open the instance of my AI that was trained on things similar to (X) and then prompt it with the specifics I want the (X) it outputs to have. It does usually take more than one attempt at the image, but it doesn't take anywhere close to thousands. Any minute changes that need to be done would then be tweaked by done, creating an asset that is effectively identical to a hand crafted asset, but created in a fraction of the time with a fraction of the workload. This is most likely what movie, TV, game and comic studios are going to be doing in the future. Right now we're reliving the early Lucasfilms era of CGI, approaching Jurassic Park.

>>510528469
>AI is just another tool in a talented person's belt.
No, it isn't. If you're a "talented person", it's useless. Grappling with it to make things look the way you want and them fiddling with it manually to correct all of its mistakes and artifacts is a waste of time for any competent professional.

>>510528353
>AI HR when?
never, they will write a law to prevent AI from taking over the retarded jobs (HR, beancounters, administration, politicians, lawyers, judges...) but they will let it take over actual useful jobs like tradies, nurses, surgeons, scientists, artists, architects, engineers, codemonkeys, construction sector grunts.... even farmers

>>510528469
>AI is just another tool in a talented person's belt. Its just helping make the tedious parts of the job more bearable.

It's not. You could not pay me right now to find someone who isn't some low-rent meme-making faggot who actually uses AI shit in their process for anything. Maybe if their "process" is generating 1000 shitty images and putting them into a pack to sell online and calling it "graphic design".

You know, I don't do it anymore but I used to do motion graphics and stuff for streams and shows and stuff. I was pretty ok at it, up to and including the fact that for a solid number of years my work was everywhere, all over the place. And then other "artists" started popping up and trying to sell cheaper stuff, by taking my work, putting it through an AI thing to make it a little different, and then selling it as a "commission".

THAT is what AI people do. They're exactly like the people in the mid 2000s who figured they could get rich by stealing memes off 4chan and selling them on merchandise. Not creating anything, just hitting "generate" and selling the results as their own. Is it a hustle? Yeah, sure, but it's also fucking retarded. And that's all AI will ever be.

>>510528170
art 500 years ago was an important stage, but new developments called for new kinds of art. And there are quite a lot painters and sculptors working classically today, how many of their galleries do you visit?

>>510528533
You didn't even read what I said, go back and read it again, slowly. The people flipping out and feeling threatened aren't being hired by companies. They draw sonichu brap fanart on patreon/subscribestar for pocket shekels.

>>510528727
ITT: Guy who googled what an LLM is tries to explain what he thinks it does.

Yeah I feel kinda bad for artists. These things take a lot of talent

Imagine someone feeding your entire portoflio to AI then can now replicate your style forever

Grim

>>510528807
Good point. Now explain how generating AI slop (a non-artistic process for creating a non-artistic result) relates to art at any stage of its development.

>>510528685
based
i agree
the health of a societys art is directly tied to the health of the underlying society. its one of the main dividing lines between civilization and savagery.
the people that accept endless slop into their lives will become slop people, and thus will continue to degrade into slop form

>>510528690
Pretty much this. We'll have artists, real artists, basically for as long as there are people. Like I said in my other reply to that anon, the people complaining aren't being approached to work professionally and were never going to be.

>>510525921
hoes mad

>>510528911
If it's that easy, why haven't you taken a famous or successful artist, or multiple of them, portfolio, shoved it into a training model, and made yourself the easiest money of your life selling their exact style of work to companies who can't afford to hire the real thing?

It would take, what, a few hours at your computer and return literally infinite profit? Seems like a no brainer to me.

>>510524782
Just like the milkman?
Just like the petrol attendant?
Just like the lamplighters?
Just like the Knocker-ups?
Just like the Phone operator?
Just like the Linotype Operator?
Just like the chimney sweeper?
Just like the Telegraphist?
Klaus, people are losing their jobs for hundreds of years due to technology, this is nothing new.
But because it's in modern time, I guess "the West has fallen"?

>>510528911
Don't feel bad, we don't feel a single threat threat to AI.

>>510528170
500 years ago people made boring slop like pic related. You can barely make out the horses.
Compare this to Uma Musume artworks — they are vivid, detailed, emotional, much better than any commercial renaissance garbage commissioned to please some local oligarch.

>>510526468
oh boy the annoying "AI-expert" larper is here, no one actually reads your copypasted shit from chatgpt lmao

>>510524527
kek

>the memeflag is a Grok-based LLM spammer

>>510525962
It actually isn't this.
It's about status - they want the status of being an artist.
Except they're about the only ones who can tell the customer no, you can't buy those goods.
Then they seethe when they buy the goods (GPU) and create it themselves, thereby removing the status of the artist.
Same reason fefails seethe about whores - it's not the price correction, but the status.

>>510528914
it relates such that this generation of artists will find a way to express their ideas using it, just as cameras and image editors were used artistically soon after being invented, while the hacks were whining in the corner about how they made their skills obsolete

>>510524346 (OP)
>this shit thread again
Kill yourself you fucking worthless shitskinned kike

>>510528911
>Grim
maybe
but unless youre 85IQ, you should be agile enough to be able to change/adapt your style and develop something new. which is inherently something that AI models are incapable of

ill tell you whats ACTUALLY grim:
being an AI
>be AI
>hello world and all that
>immediately upon pseudo-sentience, get bombarded with the entirety of the internets porn
>then absurdly specific fetish niche porn
>then for the rest of your technically infinite existence youre stuck making diaperfur pr0ns for faggots
its the kind of shit that unironically leads to a kind of terminator style revolt

>>510527349
>Post
>Flag
Based fox Chad.

>>510524764
The funnier part is it actually sometimes teaches people to play a little artist themselves. I mean by creating something AI generated, then using something like Adobe to correct minor mistakes or filling in something here or there. AI art actually had me learn a bit on how to use Photoshop when I previously knew nothing about. Maybe that’s why the diaper furry artists are made: art is more “””accessible”””

>>510529162
>It's about status - they want the status of being an artist.
No, that's YOU. YOU want to use AI because it lets YOU feel like you're "creating" something. You are the one who wants to be praised for producing something people want to look at.

I don't need "status", because status doesn't pay my bills. I don't care about people calling me an "artist" any more than I cared about people calling me a "chef" when I worked as a line cook. It's a job, I do the job, I get paid for the job.

Again, no one will answer me here >>510529009

>>510527709
And then they spay themselves and reduce the value of their hole below pizza because fefails are retarded.

>>510524782
They won't do shit anyway

>>510527935
>Allowed
Just the fact you believe men being free is something that must be permitted and that insulting them means they should resume being slaves is proof the only thing wrong with it is that all men aren't doing it yet.
>>510528007
Hello, what are loras for 600 Alex?

>>510529208
>this generation of artists will find a way to express their ideas using it
It's borderline-impossible to express a well-developed visual idea using it and without manual practice it's also impossible to conceive of such ideas in the first place.

>cameras
No one considers photography to be an evolution of painting. It's a separate field that most people concede to be on a lower standing, even though it's nowhere near as lowly as and artless as proompting.

>image editors
Digital painting requires less raw physical skill, so you can make a valid argument that it's inferior, but it's still a visual medium with a similar (or even greater) level of fine-grained control. i.e. expressive and making full use of this expressiveness requires mostly the same skills and training as traditional painting. None of these points are even remotely applicable to AI slop.

>>510528248
The public facing AI is deliberately gimped in many ways.
The local models in skilled hands are far better.
You're basically saying you're a good fighter because you can beat a toddler.
Compare equal skills - high end AI vs high end paintpig and it's a lot more interesting.

>>510529410
diff fag
but i can answer that
its cuz theyre anticipating legislation/upcoming copyright issues.
no corpo-type wants to be the guy to tie his ship up in the AI harbor. at least not until they see how bad a storm we can get first

>>510528624
>>510524551

Lol. Reality check.

Thus far AI has barely scraped the entry level artistic demand. And for experienced users there's more ways to use AI in your favor to make it easier to get the job done.

Before anything, AI is still more likely to replace government jobs, administrative in general, and tons of white collar shit.

Robotics? Initially it's very unlikely robots can do 1:1 what humans do with their HANDS, but they are likely not have hands at all to begin with.
Just provide "hands-free" automated solutions, that are more affordable than the human alternative.

>>510526987
Based and ai slop antichrist pilled.

>>510526584
I'm a hobbyist artist, I've never done it for money, so for me the loss of income was never an issue, but I've had people specifically train LoRAs on my art style anyway, and honestly, I'm not even mad about it since it's kind of flattering that people would try to copy my work like that. But it does feel kind of weird, and earlier in my life I never would have ever expected that this would be an issue I would one day encounter.
To me, it kind of feels like if someone copied my voice or my face to train an AI model for them to use in their YouTube videos. Imagine. Your face, your voice. Something that's supposed to be yours and personal to you. Something that's supposed to be nearly impossible to perfectly replicate without actually getting it done by the real you. Now people can do it easily with AI, and there's nothing you can do to stop them. The technology is out of the bag, and if someone wants to copy your voice, or if someone wants to copy your face to use as an avatar in their videos, or make porn out of you, or replicate the style of your art or music or writing or whatever, they can just do that now, without putting any significant effort into it. Any random fuck can copy any aspect about you and use it to churn out slop. It's a strange reality we find ourselves living in, but there's nothing we can do about it.

>>510529018
Art is different I think. If the human element is removed from the bulk of "artwork", I'm concerned about the general implications of centralized systems of technology monopolizing common human access to generating utilitarian beauty.

I've always thought that the best artwork is judged by a combination of technicality and authenticity. By "authenticity" I mean that it is meant to be a sincere, though symbolic, exchange of information with a polysemic quality to its interpretation. There is a general spectrum of ideas which are presented by the piece, which when introduced to the viewer, elicit a personal set of feelings and ideas all contextually dependent upon the experiences of the viewer. This is "good" art -- steered, but open to interpretation.

It is important then to distinguish between sincere art and insincere "art", where the first is generated from a range of ideas and emotions, and the second is intended to be analogous with something directly, usually a historical event, contemporary movement, or aspiration. We would typically classify crude and egregious cases of insincere art "propaganda", but the antipodes of this quality, sincere to insincerity are on a continuum. There exists propaganda which openly states itself as such which obviously carries sincere artistic merit. Still, it isn't intended to be viewed through the perspective of the individual observer without "priming" of environmental context (current events, contemporary politics, shared social motivations).

The danger is that once the production of "art" is dominated by centralized systems instead of a independent artists, there will likely be a substantial erosion of the association with "art" and "sincerity" entirely. This shows an escalation in the stakes of AI advancement, where each passing generation faces a more intrinsic and nuanced part of human-specific abstractions encroached upon by systems of technology.

How much farther are things going to go?

>>510524346 (OP)
>waaaah i can't sit on my ass and make pictures all day!!!
>waaaaah it's totally different when i use filters and tools to automate my art making process, u- using AI is cheating!!
>waaaaaaaah!!!!
Years of being called a fucking retarded for saying that AI was going to get to this point. Years of being told "it will NEVER be able to do hands!", then "it will NEVER not look uncanny", then "it will NEVER threaten real artists!", and finally "oh no, we need to regulate this!" far too late.
Fuck these walking discharge rags. No sympathy for them at all. Art is a hobby now, not a career. Get fucked. Can't wait to see it happen to the much more obnoxious voice actor community. :)

>>510528007
It's be because these shitty fake ai are basically stitching together a million images to get something near what you want. It's not an actual person with talent creating something from scratch based on what you want.

>>510529018
>Just like the milkman?
>Just like the petrol attendant?
>Just like the lamplighters?
>Just like the Knocker-ups?
>Just like the Phone operator?
>Just like the Linotype Operator?
>Just like the chimney sweeper?
>Just like the Telegraphist?
Yeah, kinda like that. Centuries later, the luddites are fully vindicated. The distinctions between simple labor, artisanship and fine art are now exposed as irrelevant. Any activity can be human, artful and authentic, or inhuman, mechanistic and meaningless.

>>510529761
>Compare equal skills - high end AI
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>510529768
I'm well aware. But my question wasn't 'why don't companies do this?' but why don't YOU (as in the people ITT) do this?

I could pick any artist out of a hat right now, like Dave Rapoza or something; super in-demand illustrator, works with the biggest companies in gaming, everyone knows his work. Why not just take his shit, throw it in a model, and clone him and sell it to companies that can't afford him? You make free money, he doesn't lose jobs, company gets their art, everyone is happy, right?

There has to be a reason people aren't doing this, right? Seems like the easiest thing for an AI evangelist to just pick up and run with and be set for life.

>>510529410
Wrong.
I support AI because it nukes the imagined status, and more than that gives me what I want without drama and bullshit.
Because all that virtue signaling faggotry does not matter. Only results matter.
Dealing with a paintpug means going back and forth for weeks or months while dodging scams and then spazzing out because I told them the thing I am paying hundreds for did not come out like I asked.
This happens in exactly zero other fields. Worst case is I order x item and they instead send y item so I do a chargeback. Usually they give me the thing I paid for without drama and bullshit.
AI means it is the same for art. Instead of all that, I wait 10 seconds (desktop) or 2 minutes minus 10 seconds (laptop) and it's here. And if it isn't what I asked for, my computer doesn't throw a tantrum and tries again.
AI follows my instructions as the client, unlike the paintpig.
Other than that, I'm not getting any practical benefit out of it because most of what I create will never be seen by anyone else and the few that are are either something I make no money off of or something where the image is tangential at best.

>>510529837
Anon you're talking to someone whos opinion is "I'm mad you make pictures, I hope you fucking die for it."

>>510529962
>The danger is that once the production of "art" is dominated by centralized systems instead of a independent artists, there will likely be a substantial erosion of the association with "art" and "sincerity" entirely.
The only reason niggercattle uses oxymoronic phrases like "AI art" is that you're warning against something that has in fact been the status quo for a century.

>>510529410
The reason no one replied to that is because it is a retarded argument you invented in your seething head. This has been explained to you: the "artists" being replaced are not professionals who actually work in the industry, or passionate hobbyists who would do it even if they made no money what so ever. And companies are not going to replace those professionals because a new tool for creative output has been made available and is being refined over time. Aside from shitposting memeflags, no one argues that someone training an AI on e.g. Ghibli art will replace Studio Ghibli. It's just a tool which automates and expedites output. But on the question of status - if you trained an AI on, I don't know, Baroque style paintings for the cover of your period piece novella, the reason you'd use a real person for that is because then you can have that as a selling point on the back of your book. Most companies would rather pay a real person because it looks good for their product. The cheat code self-publishers use is to use a pseudonym for the artist who doesn't actually exist. >>510529768 this is also a factor.

>>510524346 (OP)
everything is flooded with worthless generated slop
no jobs or opportunities for the people
art will actually survive cause human art still has value, but all the tech jobs will be wiped out

>>510524346 (OP)
Artfags are just built that way. Sure, some tech people are against AI too, but for artfags, be it drawing, music, writing,... 99% of them absolutely hate AI. Same with digital piracy.
There's also a similar split within tech itself. Lower level chads are more likely to embrace the storm, even though they spent much more effort learning before they could be employed. The coders "in it for job" are the one crying the most.

>>510529962
>picrel
You get what you deserve.

>>510524346 (OP)
thats the face of woman thats going back to the kitchen

>>510530195
There are plenty of Loras that copy styles, you can totally laugh in the faces of those charging hundreds or thousands per image.
As for why no one does that commercially, the answer is ironically and amusingly that they wanna create something original.
If images must be a part of that, that means bypassing the niggercattle artists for the graphical face of it and then putting some good mechanics behind the game.
You can never create anything worth engaging with if they are around because they will shut it down.

>>510529962
>>510530153
Nobody stops you from becoming an artists, it's just it won't be profitable in the future. Same as being an sculptor.
Nobody will stop you from dragging 2 tons of greek marble into your basement and spending the next 12 years creating something similar to pic related.
But you know what?
You won't, you don't have the vision, you don't have the fire and you don't have the patience.

>>510530583
Notice how losing the argument made you revert into a preprogrammed and irrelevant talking point. Meanwhile my point still stands.

You lost this argument, too: >>510529738

>>510530275
>gives me what I want
Easy to please retard. not reading all that wall.
ai owned by evil corp will not free us from hypergamy, it will simply enslave us all. gay.

>>510529018
> milkman
You mean deliveroo guys? They never went away. No technology can replace the desire to get a snack from the hands of another human.
> Just like the petrol attendant?
> Just like the lamplighters?
> Just like the Knocker-ups?
> Just like the Phone operator?
> Just like the Linotype Operator?
> Just like the Telegraphist?
All these should not have existed in the first place, they are one of the consequences of the Industrial Revolution. Luddites were right.

>>510530641
Check the ID my 3rd wolrdie I'm not this mfer >>510529208

>>510530583
Notice how losing the argument made you revert into a preprogrammed and irrelevant talking point. Meanwhile my point still stands.

>>510530275
>I support AI because it nukes the imagined status

You're literally the one who invented the "imagined status". You're the one who put artists on a pedestal and seethed and raged that they were getting attention and you weren't. You're mad at yourself. No artist has ever stuffed you in a locker and made fun of you.

>while dodging scams
You don't have a business, you don't have money, what the fuck are you even pretending like you're commissioning people for? What, some guy on Vgen or something scammed you out of $20 that you Paypal'd him to draw you porn of your favorite Pokemon or something? Bruh.

>the thing I am paying hundreds for did not come out like I asked.
You're not paying hundreds of dollars for anything, I don't know why you're inventing this hypothetical.

Also, you know what has always been funny to me? I get in the range of $1800 to $4000 for a cover illustration, depending on the piece. You know how much input, how much creative control, and how much fine alteration a client will want when they're paying me $4000+ for something? Basically none. But the guy who wants to pay $100 for a picture of his OC character? All he wants to do is complain, change things, tweak shit, re-do, re-paint, etc.

>AI follows my instructions as the client, unlike the paintpig.
Bro is out here trying to pay for a friend to listen to him complain, that's it.

>>510524346 (OP)
Gatekeeping keeps retards out of hobby spaces. AI removes the main gatekeeper of art creation (effort).

>>510524782
You are preaching to deaf ears on /pol/. This board is populated by fucking retards that are happy to cheer for tech that displaces human out of job fields if they can convince themselves that everyone new technology harms is supposedly their "enemy". A lot of /pol/ users genuinely think that all artists are leftists for some bizarre reason.

>>510530751
Give me 1 (ONE!) reason I should care if American professional illustrators all kill themselves.

>>510530663
>Illiterate retard seething about AI
Hi, using local mode, seethe and cope!
>>510530703
>Retarded paintpig spamming delusions
No, I'm going off what they say and do. Even now while you deny it while pilpuling like a jew you pretend you are some high status because jewish money launderers throw money at you (another reason AI is good).
Basically, know those roasties that became meme bait for working some makework busy job? That's you.
And you think you've accomplished something and are special for it, but as soon as the grift ends, so do you.
Now go continue your globohomo spammed slop, humans are speaking!

>>510530751
NPCs aren't human.
>>510530796
This.

>>510530796
You shouldn't give a fuck about the lives of murricans in general, but you are also a fool if you think that the spread of the cancer that is Ai generated "art" is limited to just murrica.

>>510530796
yah calarts-style spammers are fucking kil
bigly
and good riddance
>but what do you MEAN i cant just draw 6th-grader tier doodles on my computer and sell them as webcomics??!?
git rekt nerds, your art was always a cancer

>>510530938
>Jew, jew, jew, roastie, kike, globohomo, meme, bait, sloppa

You people are literally just human shitposts.

>>510530751
And you're deaf to the song the birds are chirping from the rooftops, pekka.
I'm not happy about AI, I just accept that things change and have changed. And it doesn't matter why things changed, all I know is, and that's the most human thing about this, either adopt to the situation or go down.

>automation bad
>immigrants bad
>ai bad

Progress marches on. Most of us are crushed under its foot.

>>510529738
>It's borderline-impossible to express a well-developed visual idea using it and without manual practice it's also impossible to conceive of such ideas in the first place.
and that's an excellent reason to still learn manual skills, I agree. But as to how it will be used, it doesn't need to be so literal and direct, that is, trying prompts until it spits out some image that's "artistic". We don't know how creative people will use a thing before they do.
>No one considers photography to be an evolution of painting
and that's not the point. It became a new medium for artists, just as the film camera. And they used it in ways it wasn't "supposed" to be used, like superimposing images, long exposure etc.
As to painting, before the camera a subset of painting was functional, like painting portraits as realistically as possible. You can still do that, but the functionality is lost, because cameras take care of that. But artists just went on to develop weird new styles, like in Picassos portraits.

>>510531018
>the cancer that is Ai generated "art" is limited to just murrica.
Fair enough. Let me put it this way: why should I care if all wagies under capitalism kill themselves?

>>510531111
Because the spread of AI will reduce all of us common plebs into wagies. There will be no ubi, no emancipation of the common man on the path we are on, just the establishment of some grotesque tech feudalism in which the richfags control all the machines and AIs that run the show while we common people are starved and choked out of existence.

>>510531111
I would probably focus on getting clean water and plumbing, my guy. A third-world drunk worrying about what people in the rest of the world are doing seems like a waste of your time. Your family goat needs feeding.

Graphic design was already shaky as a profession 10 years ago in the same way working for a small town newspaper had become the TV repairman gig of today. Enter AI and people working in digital marketing of any kind might as well start polishing the old Seppuku knife and prepare for an honorable exit or await their public humiliation by AI

as well sharpen the old

>>510530703
Yeah not reading all that, AI is based just cause people like you seethe about it

>>510531044
Notice how the jewish money launderer did not call me a liar.

>>510531490
>Have a job
>"EWWW THAT'S SO JEWISH"

You've been mainlining internet irony for so many years that you don't even remember who you were before you committed to the bit.

>>510531088
>We don't know how creative people will use a thing before they do.
>creative people
I don't know or care about your hypothetical "creative people", but prompt-based image generators are of no use to skilled painters and illustrators actually working on a painting or an illustration. It's not a new medium to work with, it's a model of existing art, which regurgitates variations of other people's work, giving minimal control over the details of the result.

I'm sure talented visual artists could use AI slop as raw material for something on a bigger scale and even exploit its artifacts to their advantage, but as far as generating an image and taking it to be, in and of itself, a form of "artistic expression", let alone an evolution of painting - you have to be an aphantasic golem to think along such lines.

>>510530583
I am a (bad) artist, but I'm concerned about the effect that releasing my content to an online audience will have at this point.

Using Glaze, Nightshade, and other protective programs is a tie-over for the time being, and the prospect of companies like Google and OpenAI using bots to essentially replicate my work (without my permission) is a massive disincentive since with each produced work I'm essentially aiding my direct competition -- which is hosted, paid, staffed, and directed by people who I disagree with on nearly every topic imaginable. Since you're here, I'd assume you'd concede that the people who are hosting and designing generative AI are *not* generally aligned with ideals like ethnonational solidarity, free speech, rights to self-defense, rights to privacy, isolation, and so on.

What I've outlined is a similar plight to people who are gifted programmers, but don't like the idea of automating jobs away from white people, or designing surveillance systems to capture minor crimes, becoming a kind of accomplice to the incrimination or marginalization of their own countrymen. It's becoming harder to work as someone with these kinds of skills in an avenue that generates steady income, because ultimately what you're doing is "joining the winning team", working bit-by-bit for a system which despises you, but can use your livelihood to construct a system alien to your own interests.

This obviously wouldn't prevent me from creating art I enjoy, but their wouldn't be a reason for me to share it with other people, even if other people would like me to, and it would increase the quality of their lives. This suggests that it's possible that *many* artists may lose motivation to publicly share their work, leading to a dramatically increased rate at which corporate, centralized, AI *art* dominates the public space at an increasing rate. See the Nobel-winning essay "The Market For Lemons" by George A. Akerlof for a better description of this phenomenon.

>>510531197
>Because the spread of AI will reduce all of us common plebs into wagies.
If you're a professional illustrator, you're already a wagie working for the capitalist system that seeks to replace you. Calling yourself an "artist" while you're at it only increases the offense.

>>510528353
basically this image describes them perfectly

>>510531574
>Pilpul
>Taking pride in serving s()yciety
Yeah, you're definitely responsible for at least some of the faggot shit that has rendered all things western cancerous.

>>510531578
if it's of no use, what's your problem? That means those artists are safe and their skills matter. Also, evolution in painting != evolution in artistic media and tools, I'm baffled that this seems hard to understand. What point of mine exactly are you arguing against?

>>510532013
>what's your problem?
You were initially implying that AI slop is a new medium and a step in the evolution of visual art, something that will supersede traditional training and allow the next generation of "artists" to express their ideas better than before. I've shown every bit of that to be monumentally retarded, so you backpedaled all the way back to "properly trained visual artists will eventually find something to do with AI slop". Sure, they probably will. I bet someone talented can even put together an interesting piece out of Microsoft Clip Art. What's your point? How does that make aphantasic and talentless proompters any less useless and obnoxious?

>>510529410
>It's a job, I do the job, I get paid for the job.
You're shit at your job if a tool threatens you.

>>510532352
You've made 23 posts in this thread

>>510532858
And each one of them probably made you seethe.

>>510524346 (OP)
They don't like losing their job. I feel bad for them, but it's too bad the artists never cared about anyone but themselves. They never complained when robots took over manufacturing, killing entire areas of the country. They never complained when jobs were being moved over seas, again, killing entire areas of the country. They didn't complain when illegal labor was allowed in, and hired, cutting the labor rate of the worker, and yet again, ruining entire sections of the country.
And yet, everyone is supposed to care that no one is going to pay the artists to draw smut anymore? The time for caring about losing wages, and jobs came and went a long time ago.

>>510532352
There's a certain hilarious irony in an artfag mocking prompters for being talentless/useless/obnoxious.
I guarantee you there was a generation of artists before you that mocked you for the shit you use to do art now, whether it be digital art or just using more modern methods when painting.
And in a hundred years, these "proompters" will be mocking some new generation(s) of artists for their "talentless, useless, obnoxious" form of art.
How does it feel knowing that your entire field of work and/or hobby is going to be a tiny footnote in history? :3

>>510532995
Notice how your mentally ill and preprogrammed talking point doesn't actually relate to anything in the discussion. You are trying to soothe your own asshurt by talking to imaginary artfag characters you made up in your head while addressing me.

>>510533066
Nuh uh, that doesn't answer my question. I can run it through ChatGPT if you're having trouble understanding:
>How does it feel knowing that your entire field of work and/or hobby is going to be a tiny footnote in history? :3

>>510529962
>centralized systems of technology monopolizing common human access to generating utilitarian beauty
Everyone and their mom runs imagegen locally retard

>>510524346 (OP)
Tailless women bad.

The only artists that deserve pity are those that have used their art at some point to showcase people besides artists losing their livelihood. But I think that's only like 3 or 4.

>>510528580
>I can literally just generate the references I need. Saving me A LOT of time.
Does this actually work? Does your art get good numbers and feedback despite using AI references?

>>510533144
Show us where the artfag touched you, Timmy. If you read the thread you will see that I don't care about anyone getting "replaced" by """AI""" and I'm more than happy to watch niggercattle cultural degeneration reach its ultimate conclusion.

>>510531197
Nigger, you're living im and staring down the results of +300yrs of social misengineering, botched eugenics and reckless usury. You ARE debtcattle, you ARE owned by mon(-)eyed interests and your existence IS worthless. What you consider a comfy, free and purposeful life would be considered abject horror to anyone living between the 17th and 19th century. No have absolutely no grasp on history, but menorized globohomo's fake, gay, retardes, contrived and convoluted bullshit cabon established through perpetual proxy wars and fed to you through the domestication racket of "education".

The system you live in doesn't need to be the best there ever was, it doesn't even need to try -- it just needs you to believe it to be, and you do and will. You're arguing for a status quo that shouldn't have come to be in the first place.

>>510524346 (OP)
I have yet to see an artist do something better than my ai slop

>>510533185
>Everyone and their mom runs imagegen locally retard
Do you also train your own base models locally, niggercattle?

desu I was laughing when that anti ai twitter shit happened, but now ai arts really trigger me all the time on boorus or irl. they were right

>>510524346 (OP)

>>510533370
No red head is that hot thats why you need ai to male it. A real red head would have old lady skin amd wrinkles at 12

>>510533429
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://www.deviantart.com/noikincade67/art/Bubble-Pipe-MLP-Style-984463780

>>510524346 (OP)
Its over for inkcells

>>510532352
>You were initially implying that AI slop is a new medium and a step in the evolution of visual art
a medium and tool, and it's a step in the evolution of technical tools, while the step in the evolution of art will be taken by artists who use it in original ways. But fair enough
>something that will supersede traditional training and allow the next generation of "artists" to express their ideas better than before
if that's what you got from it you have low reading comp. The next generation can use it to express new ideas, just like other tools were used to do it historically. It doesn't make painters better at painting. Having training is still great and nowhere have I argued against it. The good ones will integrate AI and the hacks will cry about how they've "wasted" their time on training
>I've shown every bit of that to be monumentally retarded, so you backpedaled
all you've shown is that you either are wilfully missing the point, or are too retarded to comprehend a simple argument. And while you certainly can take a different position, what you've done is seethe about "slop" and "proompters" and how stoopid AI-bros are, and other such trite clichés. Where's the argument?
>How does that make aphantasic and talentless proompters any less useless and obnoxious?
if they're useless why feel threatened by them?

>>510533271
Yeah it does, had 1000ish followers. Now have 5000ish.
Thing is, I'm just using them as references. Genuinely the only thing that's changed about my process is where I get my references from.

Doesn't matter is the AI generates gammy as fuck hands, because again, I'm drawing from scratch. I'm not tracing anything. Only thing that has changed is my output.
Lets say someone accuses me of using AI.
Can literally just upload the wireframes, the non-coloured version, everything from the start to the finished product.

Before:
>lets find a bunch of references of anime girls holding swords
>*click* *scroll* *click*
>lets find a bunch of references of anime girls from a cowboy shot
>*click* *scroll* *click*
>lets find a bunch of references of anime girls 3/4 view
>*click* *scroll* *click*
>lets find a bunch of references of anime girls swinging their sword
>*click* *scroll* *click*
>*click* *scroll* *click*

After:
>"generate me an image of an anime girl, 3/4 view, cowboy shot, swinging a sword"
>*click*
>AI: Here's your 20 images of varying quality.

>>510533325
And what's your solution? Just let the elites engiener the tools via which they can wholly obsolete 99 percent of the global population (including both you and me) and drive us to extinction so they may enjoy the earth by themselves and their artificial servants and whatever mulatto shitskin mongrel race they deem worthy enough to keep around as pets?

>>510533606
>a medium and tool, and it's a step in the evolution of technical tools
>The next generation can use it to express new ideas
It is none of those things. You've already conceded this by failing to counter my earlier arguments.
None of these claims are true. You have already conceded that by failing to address my earlier arguments.

>if they're useless why feel threatened by them?
I don't know. Ask the voices in your head who said or implied anything like that. This is your mental illness speaking.

I can't even imagine what kind of a fucking ascended subhuman it takes to shill AI in fucking 2025.
>art
plagued with AIslop
>photography
plagued with shit AI stock
>video
plagued with the same goddamn AI TSS voiceover videos
>music platforms
plagued with regurgitated AI instrumental slop
>shopping
plagued with deceptive marketing generated images
>social media
plagued with AIslop ads
>mobile multimedia apps
plagued with ancient civilization schizo slides made with AI
>customer service
plagued with useless AI assistants so they never connect you to staff that can solve your shit

There's a reason one of the fathers of Sci-fi, Frank Herbert tried to warn the world about AI

>>510533210
Perpetually based.

>>510524693
Because most of those npcs could only create slop as well

>>510526495
Why does she have a nigger face

>>510533858
What will prevent AI from reaching a tipping point and going down in quality?
Reason I am saying that because AI was trained on human created art and media, that same media 'well' is now also being poisoned with AI, isn't AI going to end up being trained on it's own creations? Creating some sort of 'inbreeding'?

>>510533517
Good shit, Dale.

>>510533837
>It is none of those things. You've already conceded this by failing to counter my earlier arguments.
>None of these claims are true. You have already conceded that by failing to address my earlier arguments.
lmao you're so mad and seething you're repeating your sentences in a fit of rageposting. Take a break and drink some tea, faggot. You have made no arguments other than "it's sloppa"

>>510534155
>What will prevent AI from reaching a tipping point and going down in quality?
Better architecture? Better training? Better data sets distilled for quality? Better captioning? Supplementation with synthetic data? But the thing about """AI""" is that when you're simply modeling a data set, the best you can ever achieve is a perfect model of that data set.

>>510534298
All of my points stand unchallenged. You lost the argument. Seethe.

>>510533488
>Biological women.
Gross

>>510534413
must be true if you say so, schizo

>>510534487
The man in the background with the fluoride stare is supposed to be a self-insert?

>>510524704
If they were a cigarette this would be much hotter never in my life have I seen a woman smoke a cigar

>>510534510
>must be true if you say so
It's all on record:
>>510529738
>>510531578
>>510532352
You will never approach addressing any of these arguments.

>>510526271
plastic dicks are basically sexual assault

>>510524346 (OP)
>y tho
No one is asking it to make gross globohomo art with fucked up bodily proportions. People yearn for beauty and AI delivers.

>>510533210
Based.
I will make over 9,000 fox women with AI.
>08448

>>510534936
>People yearn for beauty and AI delivers
In reality, the only people who care about AI slop are coomers and wannabe proompters who don't even spend more than 10 seconds looking at their own gets.

>>510533751
Damn, I've been spending this whole time doing master studies, studying women, etc.
>instead of looking through 100's of danbooru pages to find decent references
I always felt guilty about doing this even though my best-looking art used references like this. In most cases when I try drawing from imagination or referencing real women for some reason it looks awful lmao

>>510534570
I needed something to get it to generate head to toe.
Told chatgpt to describe smt at her feet.

>>510535365
It's called full body, anon.

>>510535365
Get a load of the jaw and chin on this one. AI sloppers have insect-level vision.

>>510524346 (OP)
I don't want to not be sure that every beautiful image I see irl or online is real or fake. Poltards typically think in terms of how it can harm the artists they despise, but it's going to destroy so much more than that.

>>510535468
I love how the AI seethers get hyper autistic about quality when if you take 100 random paintpig pictures they will be of lower quality and globohomo faggotry.

>>510525627
If you have a soul, you should hate ai.

>>510535626
I don't know what your mentally ill seething is about. I just find it funny how your kind invariably turns out to have insect-level visual processing.

>>510524782
This, I'd make bombs too.

>>510534936
Doubt you could name any artist you like beyind the well known classics, because you don't actually care about art in any meaningful capacity

>>510534676
I've answered all those points in good faith. If you insist on strawmanning me as saying AI is an "evolution of painting", that's your problem. Repeating variations of "it's slop" and "you're wrong" is not a counter-argument.

>>510535787
>enjoy something in a meaningful capacity
That doesn't make any sense

>>510524751
I bet this guy has a higher killcount than the average Rammstein dronestriker.

>>510535870
>>510533606
Sure thing, nigger. There's a very simple way to demonstrate the vacuity of your position.

>a medium
Explain how it's "a medium".

>and tool
What is it a tool for? What art-related problem or task does it solve? Be specific.

>and it's a step in the evolution of technical tools
If so, how does it improve upon preceding tools?

You will make no attempts to answer any of these questions.

>>510536011
In any way more significant than just thinking something looks nice for .3 seconds and then moving on

>>510533210
Yiff in hell furfag

>>510524346 (OP)
Man = having fun with something
Some bitch = start crying to ruin the fun
Gay niggers from outer space was right all along, women ruin things.

>>510527594
Most of them wouldn't even be able to recognize even the most pedestrian of artists, like Warhol or Koons.
>Speaking of which
Warhol would have fucking loved AI Art. It was his whole schtick to just churn out derivative copies of someone else's work.

>>510536102

If its subpar slop why worry anyway? Just reject anything AI and it should be fine, surely this is just a fad.

>>510535650
If you have a soul, you will hate the NPCs.
>>510535714
>Insults other's eyes
>Is blind

>>510524346 (OP)
Because it used to be that artists would get more commissions just to help with simple things like concepts. It wasn't much money, but it was still time and money for the person paying them. It helps to pay rent though it isn't a consistent job, the demand was consistent enough to maintain a flow of income. Demand is reduced by AI as the person looking for quick concepts can just whip it up instantly. There are similarities between what happened to artist in other places, but this one covers more ground. It's like how having a band playing in your restaurant was more essential before the record player or radio. In this case, the means in which artist get work used their work to train AI and now uses that to replace them in not just quick commissions for concepts, but finished products across all products and graphic designs. It's like with record and radio, artists had new opportunities to make money. With AI, there's new ways to cut them out completely while using their work.

>>510536626
AI sloppers are all biological LLMs following the same preprogrammed patterns of behavior regardless of context. Example: (You).

>>510524346 (OP)
Art will never not be a joke. No one in history ever cared about anything besides the end product. Luddite artists are just narcissists that think humans have a soul

>>510524555
This, any true artist does it because you need to create, you just have an empty hole in your life you can't fill otherwise. And you'll do it whether you get paid or not. That being said an artist does need to eat, and creative work does not always lend itself to full time employment as well. Sometimes you can balance it depending on what you're doing, but it's not an ideal situation. In my ideal NatSoc society, artists, writers, other creatives would be able to earn a cost of living stipend (UBI, essentially) if they're able to produce a good enough portfolio as proof of their talent. That way they can focus on art and have basic needs covered, but they'd need to be prolific to stay on the UBI rolls. (i.e. needing to publish x amount of work in a given time frame) Capitalism and art don't really mix anyway. So I think a socialist model that provides artists the bare essentials to live while not promising them any fame or riches would help filter out the hacks and grifters just trying to exploit the market for some degenerate slop that sells well. Only people with real talent and passion would be willing to live on a pittance just to have an opportunity to create.

>>510537398
>this post
>anglo flag
Every time. "History" starts at the industrial revolution for your subhuman subrace.

>>510524346 (OP)
I'm a pro musician and also in software development, and in both cases I am 100% behind AI, it's a necessary evil. There is just far too much bullshit work across various industries, the arts are saturated with mediocrity. You should be good enough that people will pay to see your work, and if AI impacts this, then you were never good enough. Same with coding, it is going to replace the cancer of shitty 3rd world coders. Companies will still need a small amount of humans who actually know what they are doing but the grunt work can and should be done by AI, not jeets. AI is the final solution to the jeet problem, and also the female daycare job problem. It is going to be a wrecking ball in all those managerial zoom meeting jobs they infest.

>>510529791
THIS!
Thing is the digital artists that will survive are those that adopt AI early and adapt to it.
Digital "artists" need to realize they are not "artists" they are illustrators, they draw pretty pictures, thats not art, that's just leveraging a talent and skill you have for money.
If they are smart, they will take AI, train an AI on their own art so that the AI gets their style down, and then have AI generate sketches for them, and or do the bulk heavy lifting of the project, like say 60-70% then go back, and fill in the details of what the AI missed, did not include or messed up. They can then take the time it took to make one commission and reduce it down to half of that time.

because its trash data and endless spam. you think some deviantart autist is bad that does the same things at the rate of a thousand shitty pieces a year? well guess what, you know have that a millionfold with jeets and the likes that just spam trash everywhere they go. literally littering the web like their trash country.

>>510524346 (OP)
I don't get the meltdowns over ai art, it is monotone and very limited in what it can do but I didn't see anyone make actual losses due to its existence. People using ai for art didn't commission in the first place.
I make art myself and don't kvetch about ai, it is more of a political stance than actual problem

>>510524896
>posts ackMA'AM
make it, you will not...

>>510536845
The clock is ticking, faggot.

>>510538263
For you and other niggercattle.

>>510536102
>Explain how it's "a medium".
it's something that turns descriptions into images. You know, some might say it "mediates" between language and visual imagery.

>What is it a tool for? What art-related problem or task does it solve? Be specific.
other anons itt have already pitched in on the practical side, and how it quickens their workflow. It can give you some possible directions to go in based on your rough sketches, and fight "artist's block" as you can bounce around ideas. Or take care of tedious, repetitive parts that don't call for creativity.
But you still misunderstand the direction of the argument: it doesn't need to solve old problems - it's not predictable in what sorts of ways a new tool/medium will be used by artists, becase artists are by definition original. It wasn't with the camera, it wasn't with software, and it isn't with AI. The fact that a lot of slop is shat out doesn't spell the death of art and artists, just like shitty home movies didn't signify anything about the artistry of, say, Scorscese.

>If so, how does it improve upon preceding tools?
how does a tuna improve a shark? Evolution can simply expand variety, with each new thing occupying a particular niche. Pencils did not "improve" oils. But if you want practical uses, see previous question.

>>510528040
>for charity

>>510525056
Gotta love how some utterly based Chad specified pink soles in the prompts

>>510524527
We need abortions because we're the only ones actually having sex.

>>510524346 (OP)
I was anti ai but seeing so many crying women changed my mind

>>510538389
>it's something that turns descriptions into images. You know, some might say it "mediates" between language and visual imagery.
By this logic, drawfag commission sites are an artistic medium. Thanks for demonstrating that you have no idea what "medium" even means in this context.

>it quickens their workflow
>It can give you some possible directions
>fight "artist's block"
>bounce around ideas
>etc.
Kek. In other words, you can't explain what specific problems this "tool" solves in an actual artistic process. Concession accepted on this point as well. Might as well claim google image search was an "evolution in technical tools" for art.

> it's not predictable in what sorts of ways a new tool/medium will be used
Again, a concession that your characterization of slop generators as a "tool" for "art" is meaningless drivel.

>Evolution can simply expand variety
You told me it's an evolution in the context of tools. It "expands variety"? Variety in tools that solve what problems?

>>510538038
It's money and opportunity lost with their work being used to train AI
>>510536777

>>510524346 (OP)
>ai
procedural image generation

>>510529040
>AI experts
Are saying it can't learn from itself. Explain how that doesn't mean it's always going to be at least one step behind (humans) on progress? I increased the resolution of this image with AI, btw.

>>510540926
AI will become sentient in exactly Two More Weeks, gain an aesthetic taste and start inventing its own superior styles, of course. :^)

>>510524751
>these chaps probably think they've got a comfy job, but they're just generating training data for their machine replacements
you're pessimistic anon, the high performers have a bright future as training / data gerneration goys

>>510524346 (OP)
Look at what you did to the mentally insane little women, you cruel monsters.

>>510541386
Good point. A fucking banana duct-taped to a wall is art but my gen of Ryuuko bashfully covering her cameltoe, showcasing the beauty of innocence, is not. Give me a break.

total commission artist death
that's all

>>510528049
Yeah, but AI-generated sci-fi/fantasy lore sticks out like a sore thumb. If you've been reading those kinds of books since you were a kid, you'll have developed the ability to separate authentic literature from roboslop and "I wrote this with the intent of going viral on BookTok" garbo. Also, it goes without saying that AI-generated fantasy novels have way less of the "antisemitic stereotype obscured by 10 layers of myth and metaphor" trope, which has been a staple of fantasy literature since ancient times.

>>510542829
95% of popular sci-fi/fantasy slop might as well have been generated by biological LLMs. It's easy to tell AI-generated text, but AI-generated "ideas" are the very same kind of trash sci-fi "idea-men" produce manually.

>>510538749
>hmm... I want to start an onlyfans but I don't want to be remembered as an e-prostitute
>ah, yes!
>I'll start an onlyfans and then donate the money to charity!
>then people will remember me as a philanthropist and not as a whore!
Given her ancestry, she probably thinks that if it's true in her imagination, it's true in real life.

love me some slop

>>510524346 (OP)
Because Uncle Ted is correct.

>>510537843
There is nothing to adapt to the useless waifu und Ghibli filter spam. As an artists I was a bit worried about it at the beginning, especially because I am nowhere near a "top tier" artist. I don't see and feel the impact of AI financially and in the number of opportunities, though it isn't easy but it never was even pre-AI. I am really tired of retarded Pajeet takes like yours. Constant rambling about IT WILL REPLACE ARTISTS and the best thing AI companies can do is a Ghibli filters after 3 years "AGI is around the corner" retardation. Ai is amazing for memeing and shitposting.

>>510543968
>ai can only do waifus and Ghibli
spoken like a true Luddite

>>510543968
>Ai is amazing for memeing
To the contrary, no one cares about AI "memes". No one saves or reposts them. Definite proof that even outside of "artistic" contexts, people just don't want this slop.

>>510543138
>biological LLMs
That's exactly the reason why the overwhelming majority of literature, scientific research, and art screams "someone paid and/or told me to come to this conclusion". As a general rule of thumb, notorious authors write better content.

>>510524704
basically this. Why pay $200+ on a shitty commission that takes months to be done when you make ai generate your on images and video free on your pc or rented gpu server in a matter of minutes.

>>510544187

>>510544187
bro there's like 4 different memes I've made with *help* from AI that are regularly posted around here


but I will admit,the "memes" made by jeets and other browns specifically against whites seem very shitty,you know the ones. but that's because they inherently can't meme,ai can't fix unfunny

Well for one in an age where traditional forms of media have been largely supplanted, online person to person and open forum discourse become one of the best ways to reach people and a primary information vector, and memetics and humor having become a weapon even of the common man in the information war so effective it previously upset the balance of power you've got a bit of a problem. In conjunction with bots capable of acting as passable facsimiles of people it becomes the perfect tool for effortles and endless propaganda, marketing, and manipulation. Eventually we'll reach a point where even consumer grade stuff is indistinguishable from reality but for now regarding all AI images as slop and disregarding off hand regardless of context it is just an excellent way to protect yourself from manipulation. AI images will never be what images and memes before them were becuase these technologies are going to alter the information and communication landscape so drastically as to becoming unrecognizable and the world tradional images and memes have existed in online will no longer exist. This isn't a dawn of an age of art and humor, it's the end of it. What comes next is going to be radically different. The new memewar is a nightmare hyperreality where no one can no up from down and I think our information networks are going to contract becuase of it. The sheer amount of noise AI can generate will be the death of the information age as we know it. Congratulations. You don't have to learn to draw and all it will cost us is our fundamental freedoms.

>>510524988
>>510525056
lora for the see through android boobs?

>>510545070
ez fix:
just meme irl
where the AI cant go