>Non-European Admixture in Italians based on g25
this is insane, almost every single southern european is about 25%-45% nafri with a bit of negro DNA. Even many central Italians are 1/3rd nafri/arab.

Holy fucking shit, why do people deny this so much and claim italians are one of us? We now have DNA evidence to confirm that modern Southern Italians have been genetically replaced and have mixed with invaders from Africa and Arabia..

It seems the most pure Italians live in Northern Italy, I'm scared for them, they are a minority in a land of browns, no wonder the majority of GDP of Italy is in the North. The Whites are carrying Italy on its back..

Just look at them, they don't look white.
you don't need a DNA test to know they are part nigger, I wish we got northern italians in america but we got the worse of the worse. Fucking hell man.

Ya know, I read a lot. Especially about things... about history. I find that shit fascinating.

>>510552828 (OP)
>G25
Wasn't that instrument made by some poleshit diasporoid obsessed with Italians and Greeks specifically?

>>510553117
>>510553149
based americans, must suck having to deal with italian negros
>>510553211
no it's an open source tool made by a german guy I think. It's open source so theres nothing to hide
nice deflection tho my brown friend

>>510552828 (OP)
>most pure Italians live in Northern Italy
Why does this keep coming up? Have you ever been to pianura padana anon? It's the saddest place in Italy, at least terroni have o'sole and o'mare.
>t. from the hometown of Dante

the extra European ancestry is much more if you use more recent sources(post bronze age Anatolia), but if you really wanted to break it down into those populations, you are aware that Yamnaya/WSH is ~30-40% Kotias, right?

>>510552828 (OP)
Who cares meds aren't white anyway Just look at those brown fucks. They will never be white. Brown eyes, dark hair, brown skin. Fucking niggers.

>>510553510
no probelm
>>510553855
this

>>510552828 (OP)
Some are some aren't though at this point the non white mixture has evolved into a separate phenotype rather than them being part nigger for example. Black hair and black eyes are the deciding factor in my opinion. Brown features are still white but I would consider the Spaniard phenotype to be the absolute limit when deciding whiteness. Not that it matters anyway white is jewish term

>>510552828 (OP)
Italians are perfect human beings, we have the shitskin rebellious attitude and the nordic IQ, without the shitskin tendency to fuck goats and none of the nordic faggotry and autism.

All must bow to the superior mediterranean race.

>>510552828 (OP)
>highest area is 26%
rookie numbers

>>510553117
I have them in the same tier as jews and hindus, most of my city is wop and these greasefucks will gyp the ever living hell out of everything they touch

Northern are like spanish and portuguese, souther have the greek and north african admixture. Is that really a big deal? There is pretty much zero sub saharan dna in italians, only north african which are berber/arab type caucasian people that live in mountains.

I've been to Italy. They looked pretty white to me.

At least 50% of southern Europeans aren't white by northern European and Anglo standards. I'm light brown and so are a lot of people I know.
Greeks, Albanians, Sicilians and Andalusians are almost all light brown with dark brown eyes and hair and why is that a surprise to so many people? Turkey, Lebanon, Tunisia etc. are not that far away.

It is what it is. It's also why European = white is a meme. Continents have nothing to do with race and Europe is no exception.

>>510552828 (OP)
Poles trying to join the Whites section

>>510555906

croats are generally considered white here, like northern italian tier white

>>510555906
Its considered a taint to have other hominids blood.

Especially Afro-Asiatic.

>>510554946
>Italians are perfect human beings, we have the shitskin rebellious attitude and the nordic IQ, without the shitskin tendency to fuck goats and none of the nordic faggotry and autism.
nice try terrone, you just have the shitskin rebellious attitude, shitskin IQ and shitskin tendency to steal, commit crimes and live on welfare

>>510555906
>product of arab rape
You have to go back

>>510552828 (OP)
>1/3 nafri
>not one figure on the map represents 1/3

Polish mathematics.

>>510556035

True but there are tradeoffs. Italians have their own version of the BBC stereotype, both white and black men here fear them.

>>510556687
Palermo and Crotona count 26%. Thats 1/4.
Not 1/3 to be sure.

>>510556765
Yeah. But Italy had different raciology when it was founded.

They never wanted to be considered Catholic Turks.

They kinda had no choice in the matter.

>>510552828 (OP)
You are poolish from pooland
>>510553855
You are estonian from siberia

>>510552828 (OP)
None of this is White, you're going to have to get over it.
How can whitey cope?
No idea, I wish you the best of luck with your runes and wooden huts

>>510552828 (OP)
Italians are Mediterranean.

I'm brown, I'm a med. You can suck my dick, northniggers. Thanks for the money btw.

>>510556952
>They never wanted to be considered Catholic Turks.

They're not, and even if they were southern euros are already high EEF peoples compared to nordics.

>>510552828 (OP)
I was reading about Greek genetics and was surprised to find that their steppe anscestory doubled since the bronze age, mostly due to Slavic influx.

Hard to tell a pole apart from a med. I don't know what OP is smoking.

>>510557194
Mediterranean is not a race.
This stupid Giuseppe Sergi idea has to die.

Not even the Italians share a commonality in genotypes/phenotypes.

Let alone the entire Mediterranean.

North African in antiquity was basically just eef. They changed after the Islamic slave trade.

>>510552828 (OP)
It's about to get worse

>>510552828 (OP)
My mom is Italian, she's extremely pale but has African style hair and green eyes

>>510557231
And Turks are mostly Armenoid EEF.
Anatolian farmer J2.
Which is the majority in South Italy and Greece.

Granted Turks might be more Natufian.

>>510553534
'O sole e 'o mar.
This is a common mistake that even terroni make.
The apostrophe here is marking a lost letter.
It used to be lo sole e lo mare, the L was lost. Lo sole mio became 'o solë mij.

Same thing in Genoa - ma se ghe pensu, veddu o mar.
Same thing in Venice, though they use a stroked L after a 1980s reform: ła gondoła.

>>510552828 (OP)
If these are non-European, then why are Eastern Hunter Gatherers from Siberia European? Israel's closer to Europe. This is all Slavic cope to not feel like outsiders to the achievements of the Ancient Mediterranean, which they are. It doesn't concern us much, as you will all die like animals in some future intra-slavic war while your women ride dick in the south.

>>510555906
>European = white is a meme.
Yeah you can clearly see different genetic groups like
>West-Med (Iberians, N. Italians, S. French)
>East-Med (Greeks, S. Italians, Balkans)
>North-Central (English, Swedish, German, some Slavs?)
White only REALLY refers to the last one because it's American-centric

Idk but you can come suck my dick and you tell me if the juice tastes of white or nigger, faggot. You cumskins talk like there’s any pride left in being white, you are silent cattle being exterminated by immigration and you voted for it. So watch closely the mediterranean master race, that’s your future pagan cumskins

The reason the pro-white movement will never go anywhere and will always lose is because there are idiots out there who take these talking points seriously.
You turn your biggest allies into your biggest enemies.

>>510557572
many such cases, you are part nigger, its gonna take 2 more generations to fix your bloodline

>>510557711
Portuguese has the same articles as these Italian vernaculars.

o-
a-

Latin had no articles. So its kinda haphazard how Latin vernaculars formed articles.

>>510557819
Its mostly because southern countries in our peninsulas [Iberian, Balkanic, Italic] have been rammed with Afro-Asiatic movements since antiquity.

Unfortunately we are bastardized.
Not like Slavs are not worthless soviet monkeys.

>>510557819

>>510557988
if you need a bunch of jewish tests to prove you are european, then you aren't european. You are just like nafris and levantines, you'll never be like us. It's why moortugese get attacked in places lik eastern germany and poland for being mistaken as muslim invaders

>>510557988
The actual reason that this movement will go nowhere is because it's stupid as people unite more over effectively ideas. It has been proven extensively historically, even in fucking Nazi Germany, and yet the online dysgenics insist on their little categorical exercises as if anything defended on them. It's the talk of losers that no one dares take seriously for fear of sounding like them.

>>510558098
I don't know about Italy. Greece is mixed with Balkanoids and Hellenized Anatolians. Even if it was pure it would want nothing to do with Poles, that's for sure.

>>510552828 (OP)
No and that’s what made them great. White people have accomplished nothing of note without the influence of non-white culture and religion. Tough pill to swallow

>>510557819
Trvke

>>510557593
Can I ask you a series of simple questions?

When did the asiatic Turks migrate into turkey?

What racial makeup were the indigenous people of Anatolia?

When did Italy experience migration from the eastern Mediterranean?

When did the Arab conquest occur?

Who were the indigenous people of North Africa?

When did North African migration occur in Italy? (UN backed boats excluded)

>>510558371
Greece was never truly completely Hellenic.

The original Hellenes that entered Greece in 1600BC amounted to no more than 75.000 men.

In the Bronze Age, Greece was barely 10% Hellenic.

Ever since then its Hellenized Anatolian and Balkanic farmers.

>>510558098
Portuguese does! But the Portuguese are honest. When they stopped saying the L they stopped writing the L.
In Italy, the lost L is viewed as an aberration of standard Italian so they try to keep it in line with the main language.

It's not really haphazard - it comes from ille/illo/illa. Basically meaning "that one."
Some old records even have them writing it out.

Egyptian did the same thing. As the case system collapsed the demonstrative took on use as an article.

>>510556007
A lot of us are swarthy, especially Dalmatians.

>>510552828 (OP)
You clearly can't read, so I guess you aren't for sure.

>>510558555
That's true as well

>>510553661
>40%
Wrong, only these Caucasus_yamnaya can reach "40%", the average is less than 30%, and even this CHG source was mediated by women, so yeah kind useless. Some samples had even less, the CHG became diluted due to increase of EEF ancestry

>>510558580

That's true, but swarthy doesn't automatically mean non white. There are even swarthy anglo saxons. Benjamin Franklin said swedes are too dark and swarthy. Its silly.

>>510557874
Definitely and it's painfully obvious that Europe is racially diverse just like Africa and Asia, just to a lesser extent. All Europeans are different subraces of Caucasian.
Chinks, Japs, Flips, Vietnamese etc. are different subraces of mongoloid/asian.

>>510558555
>original hellenes
DP you mean logkas? Dated 2000 BC

>>510558523
>When did the asiatic Turks migrate into turkey?
1071AD Manzikert

>What racial makeup were the indigenous people of Anatolia?

J2 Iranian Farmers, plus Caucasian G and Semitic J1.

>When did Italy experience migration from the eastern Mediterranean?

Ever since agriculture dawned.
Phoenicians, Greeks and Jews since the Iron Age.

>Who were the indigenous people of North Africa?

When did North African migration occur in Italy? (UN backed boats excluded

Iberomaurusians.
Nasamones, Numidians and proto-Berber people.
E haplogroup.
Similar to Ancient Egyptians.

Hannibal Barca was the biggest influx of North Africa into Italy.

>>510558570
Portuguese [Galician] never had the Lo or La.

>>510558971
I mean original Hellenes.

You know. The pastoralists that descended into Greece in the middle of the Bronze Age.

Proto-Hellenes.

>>510559000
It definitely comes from an earlier lo.
Sardinians and some Catalan speakers derive their articles from ipsum/a: sa oghe, su mare, sos munteneddos.

>>510559515
It doesnt. But lets pretend Latin had articles so you can have fun.

>>510558360
I don't need a jewish test at all, I am white. I wish I wasn't so I could just join the browns and attack you since I hate the pro-white movement. Most Portuguese people (actual ethnic Portuguese not the cherry picked examples of Portugal-born nafris guys like you pick) are considered white everywhere outside of your retarded loser groups. The funny part is we are objectively the whitest Europeans since we invented the term to begin with. Think about that.
>>510558371
The leaders lack any kind of creative thinking. I am in pro-white spaces often even though I stopped being pro-white a while ago and the ideas these guys have are just pure cringe. I see them as traitors, one of the few things that can still make me angry.

>>510559796
>The funny part is we are objectively the whitest Europeans

Nigga we are western balkaners.
Catholic turks.

Cringetrip these niggers give me.

>>510559598
Huh? Latin didn't have articles. I never said it did.
Rather, as the case system collapsed they begun to use demonstratives as an article.

We see this as early as the 300s. Ille as an article shows up in the Vulgate.

Loquerisne linguam latinam?

>>510554946
I've have to agree. Italians are gorgeous people.

>>510560062
Sufficiens per intelligere verbae tuae.

>>510559925
Who invented the white racial identity?
It was a Portuguese sailor landing in subsaharan Africa and seeing a nigger for the first time.
The ancient Greeks weren't going around calling each other whites and non whites.

>>510552828 (OP)
Son giunchi che piegano le spade vendute: gia l'acquila d'austria le penne ha perdute. Il sangue d'Italia e il sangue Polacco bevé col cosacco ma il cuor le bruciò.

Marsz, marsz, Dąbrowski,
Z ziemi włoskiej do Polski.
Za twoim przewodem
Złączym się z narodem.

>>510560280
You want quid not per. Per always takes the accusative.

>>510560435
>The ancient Greeks weren't going around calling each other whites and non whites.

Read Aristotle.

Even the ancient Egyptians had a concept for pale skinned people [tanemuh].

>>510557115
Bro what are you doing don't throw das kinder

>>510559796
t alberto barbosa

>>510560589
Quid is wrong there.

>>510554946
Italians are the absolute peak subhumans. You have enough white admixture to be able to pretend to have civilization, but then you guys go peak niggerdom and use your barely functional government to be as hostile to your own citizens as possible

>>510560763
Quid is wrong because of the wrong way you structured your sentence.
Per is twice as wrong. You're using it in a romance way.

>>510560987
My Latin was better.

>>510552828 (OP)
I'm from the northeast, while I love to have more reason to be racist against my so called countrymen seeing a slav try to talk shit about race is quite dumb, you are a literal slave race

>>510560648
Who cares? My great grandparents never saw a black person their whole life. The whole concept of "white" didn't exist before we started interacting with negros (we introduced this holy word as well) as a way to distinguish the white European man from the negro. We are by definition the whitest Europeans.
>>510560760
So funny. There is the meme about the 56% white amerimutt but did you know that Brazil is 47% white? You're less than 10% whiter than Brazil, how come?
>>510560882
Cool, so those peak subhumans built one of the greatest empires in human history and your whole country is an attempt to copy their brilliance. What's so great about you again? Is it Kanye West?

>>510552828 (OP)
Individual genetic markers mean nothing. You can have one marker saying 25% admixture, and then another one saying 0%. This is why race is considered pseudo-scientific. DNA tests are also not matched against a holy pure european standard, but against other people in the test database, which is different from company to company or institution to institution.

>>510553117
If whiteness was based purely on appearance then these people wouldn't pass the test by your standards anymore than South Italians would. They look much closer to being Turkish then they do Scandinavian.

>>510561594
>The whole concept of "white" didn't exist before we started interacting with negros

Start reading Roman authors like Juvenal and Cicero.

Cicero literally turned to a group of Syrians and Jews and told them they had the skin colour of slaves.

>>510561594
amerikanos are black subhumans, this here is proof I'm white, 90% german. My italian cousins are on the photo too and they are a bit swarthy, don't mind them.

>>510561904

Northern italians being white is a meme, they are not that much different than southern. What people are confusing are the tyrols that live up in the alps, that are technically italian on paper. They tend to be blodne hair blue eyes. Northern italians are very close to spaniards and portuguese people, both in genetics and culture. Even the way they speak italian sounds spanish.

>>510561594
well im full portuguese and im a pale ginger with blue eyes

>>510562204
The italian spoken in veneto is not the italian spoken in Lombardia or Piemonte, even napoletano sounds nothing like spanish. This statement is idiotic.

>>510562500
Those are different Italic vernaculars.
Not Italian [Tuscan vernacular].

>>510552828 (OP)
What exactly are the numbers? Average non-European DNA per person? Percent of non-Europeans in the area? Total percent of non-European DNA in the area? Is it for modern times or years ago?

>>510562778
Define European DNA.

That EEF is there long before the Indo-European wanderung.
Before the Italo-Celtic invasion, Italy was completely Sardinian-like in genetics.

This is Jewish propaganda guys. I suggest everyone to just ignore this. There's been a psyop by that french guy to put us against the Spaniards and now this. It's so obviously glowie propaganda is not even funny.

>>510552828 (OP)
By the way, your map doesn't even verify your nonsensical claims. Iberomaurusian admixture basically doesn't exist outside of Sicily and even then it's extremely small. The MENA component among Italians is almost entirely West Asian

>>510558555
They were probably 17% in the bronze age. Now they are actually like 30% steppe because so many slavs moved in.

>>510563160
And Iberomaurusian is in Italy since the Paleolithic.

Way way before the Italics came.

>>510563232
Not really because Balkanic Slavs are hardly genetic Slavs.

You people overexagerate everything.

>>510552828 (OP)
Poland is the beggar of Europe. You have nothing to say.

>>510561097
okay.

>>510562500
>, even napoletano
I don't know why you're using even here. Neapolitan, Central Italian, Tuscan, and Sicilian are all Italo-Dalmatian languages. They're more related to each other than other languages.
If one doesn't seem Spanish than none of them do.

Do you think just because they had Spanish kings they'd be Hispanicized?

>>510563297
It's not a Pole.
Someone makes this thread every day with a different flag (i.e. vpn).
He was Korean yesterday.

>>510563364
Oh, well. I guess mods are too busy being faggots.

>>510562257
I have a ginger cousin but it's not very common to see here

>>510563294
I said steppe derived, not nordic looking. Most of the steppe herders weren't actually blonde or gingers, those traits were just a lot more common than on the eef population already there.

>>510562937
There isn't any such thing. Sardinians are basically the "purest" ethnic group in Europe but many wouldn't consider them to be "white" because they deem them too swarthy. The idea of a European or white race is just a coping mechanism by Americans and other new worlders to justify their own rootlessness and loss of ethnic identity. That's their problem to deal with.

>>510552828 (OP)
>holy shit, are Italians even white? Italians get in here
lets see
uk= paki shithole
france= nigerian shithole
germany=syrian shithole
poland=next ukraine

unironically the whitest country on earth

Yep amerimutt. This looks precisely like nigger art no doubt.

>>510552828 (OP)
they have the kinda women you can rebuild Rome with

>>510552828 (OP)
theres a wide variety of Italians. they're connected to the heart of Europe while also extending out into the Mediterranean.

this thread is fucking retarded and shouldn't be up.

>>510553117
the FUCK are you talking about? "Just look at them" which ones? the ones who aren't as white? fucking moron.

and leave it to a pollack to raise this question. your people have proven that it means nothing to be white. theres definitely nothing special about it because you're all a bunch of midwits with the occasional gifted one that does something noteworthy.

>>510563463
>The idea of a European or white race is just a coping mechanism by Americans

It was real in the XIXth and XXth century for the Anglosphere to catalogue itself.

Outside of that. Well it has very little meaning.
More of a fetish than an identity.

No doubt nom white statue. Clear as day

>>510563439
>Most of the steppe herders weren't actually blonde or gingers

If you read the Illiad you would be amazed.

>>510553855
/Thread

>>510563428
i always wonder where my ancestors originate from

>>510563463
Then why does all of Europe share one of two paternal lines in like 90% if the population? Are all of British pakis this dumb?

>>510563505
>BEHOLD! A white man!
Eccolo il bianco!

>>510563668
From India of course

>>510557874
The concept of “race” and “white” was invented in the 17th century by anglos to undermine Spain, Portugal and the catholic church, and usurp the term “western civilization” to be about themselves.

>>510563643
I'm on book 13 right now. It is interesting how the heros and gods all look like northerners.

Yep that settles it. Nigger art right there. Care to share some of your contemporary art? When Italy built modern civilization most countries were still shitting in the woods. Italy already functioning sewers and hundreds of kilometers of aqueducts still standing to this day. Clearly north African genes lmao.

>>510563463
>Sardinians are basically the "purest" ethnic group in Europe but many wouldn't consider them to be "white" because they deem them too swarthy.
Great music, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8lzHk6TFwY

>>510563779
The Illiad is like a Nordic Viking saga.

Its crazy it happened in 1270BC.

>>510563686
I tan darker than him. 132 IQ and white. Now fuck off with your Jewish psyop

>>510552828 (OP)
if italians aren't white, that means both of my grandmothers were either not Italian, or not white despite being yellow blonde and pale blue eyed.

>>510563996
lmao
So do I.

>>510563935
I said those exact words to my wife last night. "I feel like I'm reading a norse saga".

Still even if the geneticists are wrong and those traits were steppe derived, it would have been mainly the warrior elite.

>>510564075
>mainly the warrior elite.

The Bronze Age warriors that terrorized the Aegean.
Not the peasant-farmers of course.

And yet again another north African awful building in Italy. How can we cope with our inferior genes? Care to share some of your art and buildings of the same time period?

>>510564248
Seen bigger domes in mosques.

>>510564248
Disgusting! Who would want to live there!?
Pic rel, it's near where I live. This is real beauty.

>>510564410
Mush simpler in construction and centuries older than our buildings.

>>510564483
I like Bruneleschi too anon.

>>510564151
Indeed.

There is some weird stuff though. Athena the Grey eyed for instance. She sure appears to be pelasgian to me (eef). Or they found gods in linear tablets named things like di-wos, which would be strange for non ondo Europeans.

>>510554946
Northern Italians are top tier yes
Sicilians are essentially carthaginian semite/maghreb vermin who need exterminated. They're basically kikes but more directly aggressive

Another typical Italian nigger statue. Care to share some statues coming from north African of even remotely comparable quality? Or even the US or the UK got that matter. Of the same time period of course. Statues sculpted by italians during the Roman empire don't count for obvious reasons.

>>510553117
Lots of Italians moved from North East Italy, especially Friuli area, around the 1920's. They mostly ended up in Canada, USA, Brazil, and a smaller amount in Australia. They were working in mining, farming, and railroads.They spoke the Friulan dialect of Italian.
That area of Italy had been part of the Austrian empire, and was called the Kingdom of Lombardy-Veneto for 50 years, until it was made part of Italy in 1866.
People from the area can look like any other Italian, but they are generally lighter skin and lighter eye colour, but not necessarily.
There's no real purity to Italians anywhere. There's a mix with all other Europeans, and then some Arab mix the further South you go.

>sgraffito is too expensive to do nowadays
Sad!

>>510565063

>>510564887
The epithet is glaukopis.
Its blue eyed not grey eyed.

>>510564909

The difference isn't that much anon. Look at meloni she is half sicilian

>>510563670
Mestizos share the exact same paternal line as Spaniards. They're not even remotely close to being closely related.

>>510553855
take it easy

>>510552828 (OP)
they want to niggerfy south-tyrol we got to save them before the terrone get them

>>510565156
Grey eyed is light blue. Or at least it's closest sibling.

>>510552828 (OP)
>'it*lians'
>a thing
pick one. That map just shows that Siculo-neapolitans are a different nation from the Lombards (imagine my shock). Will poltards ever learn ? No, evil+clownworld always win

>>510565198
Some pakis have r1, but that doesn't make you British.

>>510565165
>Look at meloni she is half sicilian
The treasonous whore midget who betrayed her nationalist principles as soon as she acquired power?
I rest my case.
Sicilians are a low trust merchant/slaver/bandit/mafia culture - just like the kikes

>>510563839
I come from Sardinia. The nuraghes come centuries before the castles which is astounding since concrete didn't exist. Sardinia is home to the highest density of prehistorical ruins in the world. Just close to where I live there's a couple of ones and an undug town which has a name not gonna name it cause doxx. We tread on history.

>>510565165
she is a quarter Lombard and thanks to the Mendel laws she got that strangely familiar nordic look. That means that the average Lombards NPCs can look at her and think 'we are still in charge somehow' which is not the case in the slightest.

>>510565505
Salude.

>>510553855
Estonia went from 5% of Italy's GDP per capita to 75% of it in three decades. How long before the light-eyed masterrace overtakes Italy?

>>510557115
all of this is white, stfu

>>510565315
The Ancient Greeks had a hard time defining blue.
Either called it grey or purple.

Glaukos came to mean blue later during classical times.

>>510552828 (OP)
The holy roman empire being destroyed by mass immigration will do that...

>>510564977
>There's no real purity to Italians anywhere.
there are no 'it*lians' anywhere retard, look at a freaking genetic map if it's not clear to you
>There's a mix with all other Europeans
Genetic nations in 'it*ly' are represented as islands on maps so they are original ethnic groups. The exception are the Siculo-neapolitans who overlap heavily with Jews and Greeks.

>>510553855
If you're white and we're not then whites are the inferior race.

You've been on par with niggers for all of human history. 0 contribution, all your "culture" comes from us. You're a worthless people(both estonians and russians)

>>510552828 (OP)
The answer is that they are not white

>>510565950
Interesting.

I still think she's derived from that Minoan snake goddess with light blue eyes.

>>510565782
We've been richer than ur shithole for 10000+ yrs.
Would take you 10000yrs above us to match

>>510566129
>all your "culture" comes from us

Your culture is christoverminity. Plus mandolino.

>>510566218
Thats Potnia Theron. Demeter, Lamia and Hydra are her Hellenic transfusions.

>>510555987
We know how much of kikes the poles really are. When are they going to admit to faking those casualties all those years ago.

>>510565165
>The difference isn't that much
it's true in your mind Calogero, but only there

>>510565782
My sweet summer child, those gibs you took have a big swarthy price, and I'm not talking mere s*cilian levels of swarthy.

>>510566140
That's a negress with Italian passport. Also 60% of Romanians have gypsy heritage, so you are literally the pajeets of Europe.

>>510566244
You speak a latin lang cause my ancestors conquered urs and destroyed any trace of your irrelevant native culture

>>510553117
The worse of the worst*

>>510566443
>That's a negress with Italian passport.
Do you think you even have to explain that? Il ladro di rame sta trollando

>>510565950
"Wine-dark sea" is a beautiful and poetic way to describe blue.
It's not that they had a hard time, more that they just didn't have the word yet. How a culture develops words for colors is something that has been deeply studied in anthropology and linguistics.
Hunter/Gatherers usually just use dark/light before developing actual terms.

>>510565505
I've been to Olbia once but it was only for six hours so I doesn't count. Plus, the part where the boat lets you out is a fucking shithole.
I should really go deep into
I bet it's interesting there. Maybe get some maggot cheese if I can find it. Unironically.
I don't like cities, I much prefer Campagna, Culonia.

Logudorese is my favorite Romance language.
The assonance really is wonderful.

>>510566543
Your Umbrian ancestors werent conquered by the Romans.
You came together with kisses and hugs.

Every Italian wants to larp as muh Roman.

Nobody wants to larp as muh samnite or muh etruscan.

SAD

>>510566307
Yeah greek myth is weird, there are multiple copies of the same underlying gods and goddesses or divestitures if their functions. Yet the areas traditionally ascribed to the pelasgians had female goddess for patrons and that includes Attica. It's also weird she has an epithet Pallas (I'm aware of the classic Greek story explaining it). Nothing like her is present in the north, also. The only one I can even think of with a war role was the Moragan

>>510566443
Literally the bottom half of your country is arab tier brown. And it's clear what the consequences are, anything south of Rome is Africa tier in standard of living, economic output and crime rate.

>>510566633
How do you know about sardinian language since there's literally zero online about it except maybe a few songs? Logudorese has kind of a Spanish sound, while nugorese is much harsher and it's the closest to Latin out of all languages.

>>510564248
>we
there is no 'we', Calogero.
Unless you are a Tuscan that building does not belong to you in any way.
It was built in an 'it*ly'-free and Siculo-neapolitan-free Florence 500+ years ago.
Everything built in Florence by your damned 'it*ly' post 1930 is at best a glorified version of Baghdad.
'it*ly' is a decivilization project.

>>510565165
Half Sard bandit actually, we probably bleached and shortened her mystery meat bloodline.
>>510566633
Don't fuck around with the cheese, if your host is looking a little too retarded and his accent a little too flamboyant politely decline, seen some southern baboons slice open a whole wheel outdoors and add curd to make it rot faster.
Maggots will keep aged cheese edible but fresh dairy won't be safe to eat.

>>510566806
Cause italic cultures were similar and had similar dna, there was already an italic identity in roman times

>>510566928
You have indian DNA you know that right? Gypsies are indian. You are the shit hole of Europe. About 70% of Romanian houses don't have sewage except in cities.

This is how bad you have it. What kind of shit hole doesn't have sewage in 2025? In Italy even the most remote villages have that. What a joke.

You speak the inbred language of superior Latin and Russian. Your Frankenstein language to us sounds like retard Russian. That's how bad it is

>>510567233
Evola would laugh at you.
Even the Romans and Sabines had different Pantheons.

Lets not even talk about the time that the Etruscan haruspex were ostracized from Rome.

You italioti can only larp as what you think grants you prestige.

>the entirety of cuba and most of several south/central american countries are whiter than southern italy
grim

>>510567403
the blue component there is generic caucasian, Italy would be 99%+

>>510552828 (OP)
Reminder that the mafia came from southern Italy. Crypto kikes and god knows what else.

whites are fucking disgusting. Do everybody a favor and die of the cancer that you already have.

>>510567341
He's right though. It's probably why Rome fell. Too many retard Arabs LARPing as Roman.

>>510567544
>Too many retard Arabs LARPing as Roman.

Stanford university already proved this.
https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2019/11/genetic-history-rome

>>510566941
Well, one, I'm a wop. An Eyetalian from NYC.
Two, I just like languages.

Also, I think it's Logudorese that is described as the closest to Latin but only in very basic comparisons. That's mostly from lexical similarities.
Sardinian preserves a lot of Latin Latin forms, but it really isn't all that similar to Latin. It's certainly the closest; but Vulgar Latin and Classical differ to such a large degree that none is particularly similar to Classical.

Limba Sarda Comuna is most similar to Nuorese, or so I've been told. I don't know enough to say anything conclusively.

>except maybe a few songs
Yeah, like i Tazenda. Shame to see what happened to Andrea Parodi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgflKuQVwg

>>510567225
I promise I will only trust cheese supplied by the most carinissima nonna.

>>510552828 (OP)
>the most pure 'it*lians' live in Northern 'it*ly'
1) it's called Lombardy. Genetic/historic nations are not cardinal points
2) genetic nations in 'it*ly' were always separated; there has never been such a thing as the 'it*lians'. Lombardy has been a Celtic-germanic nation since the beginning of time in historical terms

>>510566129
You are not the same people that lived in that land 2000 years ago, nigger.
Also kek all these brownoids seething ITT. Niggers.

I'm ashamed of being italian. I hate these people, i hate their customs, i hate their culture. I need europe to pivot towards federalism and erase the italian identity. Only then will i feel free, only then will i feel complete, only then will i rid myself of the existential dread of being a part of the european nigger tribe.

And to all italians that take pride in their nationality, please kill yourselves. Or get cancer. Whatever works.

>inb4 shit skinned italian

I'm whiter than you are.

>>510567634
We didn't even need a new study on it-instead Plutarch warned about it, Varus described it, and many others observed it.

>>510567341
I've been to the south of Italy and it's like a post apocalyptic mad max favela once you go 1km inland from the tourist coast towns.
You can cope with these meme talking points, but the reality in your country is dire. Funnily enough the only way you can salvage whiteness in your country is if you manage to convince us again to re-colonise you like we did early 2000s, otherwise have fun being South Africa in a decade.

>>510567821
Juvenal described it best.

>>510566941
Oh, and even Fabrizio De Andre' said Sardinian was the most beautiful of the Italian languages.

>>510567923
Post it please, I don't remember his

>>510567958
Non est Romano cuiquam locus hic.

Would be the biggest and most revealing.

>>510567341

As a fellow 4chan Italian User™, please off yourself. You are, along with spaniards and greeks, a disgrace on the european continent. A literal stain.
You know it to be true.

>he will never know the joy and relaxation of eating a fresh pizza and taking a 2 hour siesta on the boat
SAD!

>>510567233
>an italic identity in roman times
Calogeros are programmed to regurgitate these surreal propaganda points since kindergarten. Too bad for them that genetic science has come wiping out these fantasies.
Embrace your real Siculo-neapolitan heritage and stop hiding behind that smelly aborted mexican flag Calogero, deal ?

>>510567691
I believe the sound is what's mostly conservative.any words as well. Other than that, Italian is most conservative. Still the phonetics is much closer. And that would be nugoresu. Where I live they speak logudoresu

Limba sarda comuna Is artificial. It's a way to try and save the language(s) and to write it consistently (which is good) but it doesn't really exist.

Music I like the traditional one. Try this ancient throat singing: https://youtu.be/z-m3V1cwnPY?si=n7GMXZQp3VinhdFe

>>510552828 (OP)
>>510553117
>>510553149
>>510553855
>>510554799
>>510555373
Since your flags have accomplished nothing you have to look at other people's skin color

>>510567958
Quae nunc divitibus gens acceptissima nostris
et quos praecipue fugiam, properabo fateri,
nec pudor obstabit. non possum ferre, Quirites, 60
Graecam urbem. quamvis quota portio faecis Achaei?
iam pridem Syrus in Tiberim defluxit Orontes
et linguam et mores et cum tibicine chordas
obliquas nec non gentilia tympana secum
vexit et ad circum iussas prostare puellas. 65
ite, quibus grata est picta lupa barbara mitra.

>>510568183
>he will never know the joy of being fat and ugly, and being inconsequential to the the rest of the world

>>510567341
What's the matter, goppari?
Did you Romanian bride leave you because you didn't whip her enough? Heheh.
>>510567691
>nonna
Jaja here, or tzias for random old bints.

>>510568313
Graeculus esuriens: in caelum iusseris, ibit.
in summa non Maurus erat neque Sarmata nec Thrax
qui sumpsit pinnas, mediis sed natus Athenis. 80
horum ego non fugiam conchylia? me prior ille
signabit fultusque toro meliore recumbet,
advectus Romam quo pruna et cottana vento?

>>510567819
>I'm ashamed of being 'it*lian'
How can you be ashamed of a thing that does not exist ?

Is that why people can't stop thinking and talking about us all the time.

>Gosh Italians are so awful. Now let's discuss 2000 years of italic history
t. slav/cumskin/mutt

>>510568183
Ah, the white part of Italy.

>>510568142
> Fellow Italian
> Meme flag

Shalom

>>510568425
Post hand.

>>510568425
200 years of italian history, meaning failed attempts at colonization, failed attempts at warfare, failed attempts at being a respectful and respected member of the world order

Everything else before that was the greeks, the french and the german

A reminder that the founding fathers passed the naturalisation act of 1790 and never had any issues considering all Europeans white, including Spanish, Maltese, etc.

>>510568425
>us
there is no 'us'. there is only that damned aborted mexican flag and the dysgenic dystopic state it represents. Both things should be flushed down the sewer of history where they belong.

>>510552828 (OP)
There's no Europe without Italian culture

>>510568658
>founding fathers
>act of 1970
???

>>510567835
Saar we don't need more copper Saar. Thank you do not redeem. You are literally the third world country of Europe. Your entire economy stands of gibs from Italy, France and Germany. And still you don't have sewers. How sad. You manage to be even more corrupt than us. It's like you didn't get anything roman from us and just absorbed all the slavic-gypsy culture

>>510555906
>>510558580
You live somewhere sunny, of course you have tans.

>>510568648
They had taken over almoat the entire South. The normans kicked them out, but kept the harems. Something like 60% of Palermo traces their male line to the normans.

>>510568658
That was 1790 and they didn't know how bad the rimmed areas of Europe are.

>>510568822
Every single country has had more European admixture than Arabic since 1790 - Italy, Spain, Malta, Greece have all gottenmore Europeanized since then.

>>510568792
Are you projecting? Southern Italy is parasiting off of the north and you're accusing him of doing or? Post hand il Bagdadi.

>>510563742
Race is an empirical fact. It doesn't matter where the concept came from or why, there is still a reality to it.

>>510568516
I do not require a so called "meme flag", which is actually the banner of the great EVROPA, to be disgusted by the likes of you.

>>510569019
>the banner of the great EVROPA

You had a NATO flag on.

>>510563742
>The concept of “race” and “white” was invented in the 17th century by anglos
Romans talked about race all the time. They explicitly used colors in reference too.

>>510553534
i'm from the po valley ancestrally. it's depressing if you're a young person like me. it has really good bones though and could be an amazing place. just needs gioventu' italiana

>>510568972
At least it's the same fucking country. Those parasites live off of the money of OTHER countries. It's the same in your degenerate mutt land.

>>510568212
>memeflaggot nigger accusing others of hiding their flag

>>510568961
I grew up in Naples I don't know who the fuck you think you're fooling. How many more pickpocketing signs does Rome need before you realize it's full of gypsies??

>>510569189
>It's the same in your degenerate mutt land.
Yes, we all accept the realities in each place.

>>510563686
Scosa? Va bene!

>>510563608
>>510552828 (OP)
>>510557115
Modern Italian are NOTHING like the people who inhabited the civilization of Rome.
Rome got BROWNED and could no longer compete with their neighbors.

Same thing will happen to America and the rest of Europe.
We will keep becoming BROWN and we won’t be able to compete with China anymore.

>>510562204
nigger it can't be both ways. i can't be pale as a ghost and not be white at the same time. either make me less pale, or at least consider me as white

>>510563828
>nigger art
>france adores it
checks out

>>510569019
>NATO
>EVROPA
lol. lmao even.

>>510569368
>we won’t be able to compete with China anymore.
We already don't. We're coasting at this point.

>>510553149
I'm from New York so I'm used to shitalians, and I've even fucked a few full-blood and half WOPs. They HATE being italian and wish they were normal.
I'd never breed a bitch with any Italian ancestry even if they're hot.

>>510553149

>>510568819
Too bad they're still a bunch of turks.
>>510568972
At least those loudmouthed mutts down south have the excuse that piedmont stole what was and wasn't bolted to the ground and they let the mafia reign free as kike footsoldiers, Balts are gib takers soon to be replaced with jeets and nuke silos, they don't have an excuse or stones to cast since their USSR is dead and buried and ours isn't.

>>510569368
>modern 'it*lians'
exist like ancient 'it*lians' exist, aka they don't exist at all.
Lombards and Tuscans do exist and they are the only contemporary ethnicities with a relevant genetic component of the Romans of the origins.

>>510569550
Those are whiter than what we're talking about.

>>510558570
this is something i never thought about. in venetian tho, we still write L, but with the line through the middle. but yeah, i know in corsican for example they just have "u" for "the" for example

>>510557988
>>510559796
It sounds like you hate the pro-(You) movement because of D&C threads. Don't let yourself be defined by the divisiveness of others, anon.

>>510569659
>Balts are gib takers soon to be replaced with jeets and nuke silos, they don't have an excuse or stones to cast since their USSR is dead and buried and ours isn't.
That is the funny part. They really fucked themselves.

>>510568183
With the amount of Bengalis, Nigerians, and Senegalese in your country... can you do that?
Can you enjoy relaxation, pizza, and a siesta?

Last time I was in Italy I was accosted with every single step I took by foreigners trying to sell me junk.

>>510568350
Is a j a /j/ or a /ʒ/?
I mean, I know the answer, the former for Campidanese and the latter for Logudorese and Nuorese. But which one is jaja?

>>510568273
The phonetics isn't really conservative. Sardinians have those wonderful retroflex Ds and Ts. Like in Caste<dd>u. Sicilians have them, too. Doesn't exist in Latin. Plus Classical Latin had nasals!
In Late Latin consonantal V and occasionally B went to /β/. Sardinian (and Spanish) still have that sound but the result was, though fortition, that a lot of the descendant languages have weird results.
Like bocca in Italian is vocca in Neapolitan but as you climb the Apennines you'll find Neapolitan speakers who say mocca.
Anyway, if you compare the languages of Italy look at where Bs and Vs compare. You'll find results that differ frazione to frazione.
M, b, p are all pronounced near to each other in the mouth - so you get later changes, too.

It's not one thing in particular. It's more of an overall, Sardinian preserves a lot of Latin Latin forms.
My Latin is decent and I know Neapolitan and I can understand Sardinians. The average Italian doesn't understand you at all.

>>510563479
>unironically the whitest country on earth
the sad part is that you're right.

>>510569368
No you idiot. There's DNA from the Roman era and it's exactly like modern day Italians. Depictions of the era confirm that. Also Italy is full of blond people. Then of course the same Jewish psyop that depicted Jesus as an inbred African despite plenty of description of him with orange beard and European features started the new psyop aiming at destroying the concept of Italian ethnicity and race. Of course our leftist media rode with it bid time. I'd suggest smart people to ignore it just like every other "study" coming from Israel

>>510569550
new york is literally 10% white and you're fighting against italians? kek. half the kids under age of 5 in new york are literal guatemalan anchor babies. stfu nigger

im an italian from new york.

>>510569774
I've spent a lot of time in both northern italy and the northeastern usa. you don't get it. the whiteness of italy and the us simply is NOT comparable.

>>510563463
>[X] doesn't exist, because some people misunderstand [X]
Earth doesn't exist, because some people think it's flat?

>>510553534
Every area of Europe that desperately larps as Germanic is always soulless and depressing and full of cunts. Like Western Slavs.

>>510569368
>holup we wuz roman and shieeet?
The funniest part of your worldview isn't the wewuzzery but the fact that you also claim China wuz blonde and shet which implies they have been browned over the centuries too which contradicts the idea that they are a threat.
I just die laughing at nordicists at this point desu

>>510553149
Thst scene was quintin being told by some nigger who fucked his mom that all sicilians are niggers lol ( none have nigger hair nigger noses nigger lips etc its just really hot so tanned like greeks)

>>510552828 (OP)
If america got northern it would have ended up like brazil and argentina( where all the northern italians went)

>>510569812
>There's DNA from the Roman era and it's exactly like modern day Italians

Lol

>>510568792
We live better off here than you, quite honestly. Why do you think the whole romanian migration to your country stopped like 15 years ago? There has been a reverse exodus because you can live pretty much on the same level with way lower cost of living and in a way safer society as a whole here. All the gypsies left so what we have is essentially an ethnostate now.
The future prospects are clear, your country is in total decline and will be entirely brown soon. My country is steadily improving economically and is becoming a beacon of whiteness in Europe. Race is everything, my friend.

>>510552828 (OP)
> Poles
> Greatest contribution to the western world: being invaded by Hitler

Birchplease.jgp

>>510570176
>Why do you think the whole romanian migration to your country stopped like 15 years ago?

Romania joined the EU in 2007.

>>510568648
> failed attempts at colonization, failed attempts at warfare, failed attempts at being a respectful and respected member of the world order
In the year 1939 all the goals you mentioned were reached.
Everything went downhill ever since tho.

>>510570150
Its white cucks clinging to the last good empire as all theirs were kicking off on shitskins for spices and fruits then getting reverse colonised or its jews with a hate boner for italy due to axis etc.

>>510552828 (OP)
>Israel_Natufian
The eternal Sl*v can’t help but being a slave to jews. Hitler was right, and not just regarding jews.
Here’s one unbendable truth, we created and brought Western Civilization while you were playing in swamps.
>le GDP
One look at London should tell you everything you need to know about caring about the GDP, but I’ll humour you.
Why would any Southern “Italian” cooperate economically for a Nation that doesn’t even exist? We are part of Spain, and Italy isn’t a real Country.
Oh, and one thing, you realize Poles are like the Mexican of Southern Italy right, I literally juggle between Ukrainian and Polack lawmowers.

>>510552828 (OP)
the original romans don't exist anymore. they foolishly allowed themselves to go extinct with all those stupid wars of theirs. and then they, even more foolishly, allowed themselves to take in foreigners, when they had population problems the romans basically did everything they possibly could to kill their own race. pretty fucked up, really, if you think about it...

>>510570270
Rome left us Chriscuckery.
Its not the last great empire.

Its Globohomo 1.0.

>>510570281
Roman Empire Era

Might as well have Severus and Elagabalus in there.

>>510569368
there's so much DNA available by this point these posts are hilarious, while it's true modern Italians are different, Romans were basically Spanish-tier, that's it, it's pretty much settled, and Greeks were even more different; in fact, overall, the northern-most ancient Greeks like Macedonians and possibly early Dorians overall resembled central-north Italians
blondism in antiquity itself wasn't exclusive of Germanics, it's not even today, it's very possible for he maidens of Laconia to have been light haired and genetically resemble overall Italians

Just a reminder for all of you to suck my cock. Brown eyes and dark hair can be due to anatolian farmer or WHG genetics. Yamnayas are not the only source of european civilization.

>>510570176
5 years ago not 15. multiple third world countries have declining foreigner numbers in italy. phillipines, morocco, ecuador, albania, china. that just shows the absoluite state italy is in kek

The only good thing to come out of Italy were the Romans. The Venetians were just okay. Remember, the cities of Latium were not even Roman and the rest of Italy was just a territory of savage niggers who the Romans did not (in their best and purest time, under the Republic) even consider their own. Italy was always a peninsula of savage niggers ruled by a small, noble elite. Whether by the Romans, the Germans, the French, or the Spaniards.

This explains why modern Italy has failed at her every endeavor and why Italians are as a whole are a subhuman race of monkeys even today. They were really nothing good to begin with.

That said, I do think that the rabble of every country is pretty much a bunch of monkeys and the only true measure of a country's worth is the quality and competence of its ruling class. Liberals and neoliberals are comparable to the robber-barons and backwards feudalists of the dark ages. They are basically looting the territory under them at massive scale. If Europeans or anyone else for that matter wishes to advance they will have to replace their ruling class with another one.

>>510570448
R1b is probably the Achaean-Dorian inprint.

>>510552828 (OP)
Horseshit tool

>>510570519
>tp
>tf
Anon, with all possible sincerity, please shut the fuck up.

>>510569774
Phonetics is the most conservative. Sardinian still has the hard k and g sounds which is the oldest Latin pronunciation. That's for the nugoresu variant and some logudoresu ( where I live). It's the only romance language that kept that.

I kinda doubt that you can understand it since it's notoriously unintelligible even for Italians, that is if it's strict Sardinian and not italian-sardinian mix. It was used in WW2 in radio comms because nobody could speak it. Maybe in written form you can understand somethings. I even struggle with it and I'm able to speak it, though not strict Sardinian.

>>510560525
cringe, I hope that shithole gets partitioned again

>>510567544
>Rome fell
Italian achievement even AFTER Rome fell are enough to rank them in the ranks of the greatest nations of all time. Judge the tree by its fruit.

>>510570448
Its also important to note that blondism is not an overall Germanic trait.

The blondest countries in the world are the Fingolians.

>>510570176
The ethnic replacement is coming to your country as well just watch. Just look at Poland. And yet we're fighting against each other. I guess it's true were really stupid.

>>510553149
>about history
>gets history wrong, or related to the saracens who got their shit pushed in by the gauls circa 1100.
LMAO, the more I see Dennis Hopkins, the more I laugh at historically retarded cunts like you clogging up this website, sucking Tarrintno dick, as if you could stoop any lower intellectually.

>>510570757
>Judge the tree by its fruit.
What fruit? It's been a shit show since unification.

>>510566941
>Logudorese has kind of a Spanish sound
Curious. I've read things down the years that indicate the pre-Latin substrate on Sardinia had something in common with Basque, and our Castilian accent is largely based on Romance in the mouths of Vasconic speakers.

>>510570948
Nuragic had nothing to do with Basque from what we know.

>>510559099
Who gives a fuck.

Stay off my property

>>510552828 (OP)

Meds ain't white, they are brown skin ugly monkeys.

Maybe, just maybe, northern Shitalians are quite close to white people, it's like 20 mln of them, 1/3 of Shitaly.

>>510570542
yes but most likely also with J2b2 and G2a, the former directly from Yamnaya, the latter picked up along the way to the proto-Hellenic homeland in the southern Balkans
there was a linguist, Martinet I think, who quite presciently suggested the Hellenes as a mixture of the Kurgans/Indo-Europeans and the remnants of the Balkanic large scale proto-civilizations of the Trypillians/etc..., and indeed by 2000BC in northern Greece you have people of this kind, 40% something Kurgan, 60% Balkan EEF

>>510569683
They're from central Italy near Rome. All have brown eyes. They're White enough to fuck but not form lasting bonds with.

My great grandpa was from Calabria

>>510570068
Whiteness is not something that can be empirically measured, no matter how much you pretend otherwise.

>>510571034
>from what we know
I've seen interesting parallels in plant names.

>>510569774
It's /j/ in my supposedly Nugoresu speaking neck of the woods, I think /ʒ/ usually decays into /z/ where I'm from, peculiar stuff, for example the local variant of John is Zanni and Zubanne.

Have a song https://youtu.be/mr9Wj_dL12g

>>510553117
I’m a descendant of an Italian immigrant and I look white as snow. You would just assume I’m 100% English or something.

>>510569939
Sounds like you live in the slums where you belong, greasy WOP.

>>510570948
The Spaniards were in Sardinia for a few centuries. That left important Spanish and Catalan words and stuff.

>>510571132
J2 is not Yamnaya or Steppe. Its Iranian neolithic farmer.

Although linguistic evidence points to no hybridization between Proto-Hellenic and any Balkanic stratum.

>>510570935
>since unification.
That you should bring up political unity reveals you as a midwit. Of what possible relevance is that date? Italian services to humanity in music and science are more than enough.

>>510552828 (OP)
>We now have DNA evidence to confirm that modern Southern Italians
You are an idiot. The germans did this actual research a hundred years ago. There's a very famous book that contains all of this information, if you are here on pol and haven't read it, you are a fool.

Are Portuguese white? They all look swarthy to me but I can't tell.

>>510570935
Ferraris, Espresso, Pasta, and wife beating.

Until your country has this, Italy is king.

>>510570542
And it’s not bell beaker or Germanic R1b.
>>510570519
True, the Romans came from Troy their civilization is different from the Latin barbarians that were bell beakers. The etruscans were also not from Italy but an island in northern Greece or maybe they’re Minoans.

>>510566129
truth, estonians and all those other shithole border nations are irrelevant

>>510571651
>Spanish and Catalan words
I'm talking of BASQUE words.

>>510553117
ABSOLUTEKY FUCKING FALSE. Go to Sicily. It was run by fucking Vikings. You will see more blonde haired blue eyed people in Sicily than whatever shithole you live in. Fact
>Italian “Americans” give actual Italians a VERY bad name

>>510571580
you're literally brown.

>>510571753
Both the Etruscans and Latins [Romans] were Urnfield R1b.

>>510570413
Elagabus was a foreign emperor who brought a foreign cult (Mithra) with him, he has no bearings, and even then, congrats, two mid emperors from a long lasting line, woe is me. The Roman Empire was the most efficient machine, and the conversion to Christkikery only happened in later years.
That’s not even getting to the fact that Naples means Neapolis, New City in Greek, and was the battleground of Jupiter and Typhoon (Vesuvius), and unlike current day Rome, we didn’t become a global backdoor for any random assholes coming there.
Rome ultimately fell due to Christkikery, yes, and even then, courageous emperors like Julian fought against it, but it’s laughable coming from Portugal, who made a nigger mess of Southern America with Christkikery itself.

>>510570150
welcome to the world of the Siculo-neapolitan surrealism where reason ceases to exist and a sort of wakanda narrative where Siculo-neapolitans descend from the Romans and were the #1 industrial power in Europe before the evil Lombards came robbing them of their unspeakable wealth takes its place.

>>510571657
It’s literally associated with Yamnaya expansion in the balkans.

>>510571536
Yes. Also they claim that the word nuraghe which nobody is sure of where it comes from, comes from basque Nur ak or something like that (pile of rocks). But that would be weird because that word comes way before the Romans came to Sardinia, and centuries or even millennia before the Spaniards.

>>510571657
I said J2b2, that particular lineage is almost certainly part of the Yamnaya/Steppe package, albeit it was at a minor frequency initially, it just got lucky in the balkans while it died out elsewhere outbred by R1b/R1a/I2-L699
J2 was in the mesolithic caucasus with J1, there are literally Afanasievo samples from Mongolia with J1

>>510571848
Nope they were J2b2 and R1b-z2103. They were not bell beakers. They were immigrant invaders and better than the locals.

>>510571871
Rome fell when the Plebs got their tribune.

>>510571943
Yes. Yamnaya expansion everywhere else has no J2.

Magically in the Balkans it does.
Somehow Europe proper didnt get it.

The Norwegians being the closest to Yamnaya have almost 0 J2.

I hate Balkanic monkeys.

>>510554946
>>510557194
>>510557901
>Italians are Mediterranean.
>mediterranean race.
>mediterranean master race
No such thing

>>510571549
Si lu pronuntzias gai tando cheret narrere chi ses biddaiu muntanninu de carchi 'idda accurtzu a nugoro.

>>510571788
Any examples?

>>510572342
Thank you.

No such thing as med race.
Kill Giuseppe Sergi and his followers.

>>510570281
if the Romans of the origins looked even remotely like the guy in your pic, Rome would have never existed. If anything, the plebs that was imported in Rome during the imperial time was the cause of its collapse.

>>510572092
Bell beakers and nords aren’t Yamnaya.

>>510561716
Lewontin's Fallacy.
Race is the relationship of genetic markers.
>>510563463
see picrel
>>510563579
Conflating centuries old definitions of race with modern understanding is completely disingenuous.

>>510572443
No nigger. Balkanic monkeys from Albania and Apulia are Yamnaya.

>>510559796
>The funny part is we are objectively the whitest Europeans since we invented the term to begin with. Think about that.
HAHAHAHAHA
what a hilarious moor cope

>>510572530
I am Yamnaya. I am blonde hired and blue eyed and 6’6” almost 6’7” I have nothing in common with those people

>>510572530
Just kill your self you bell beaker monkey. Here’s all these early Iron Age J2b in Italy. Eat it
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1luwBVUlmGoqbj7yzO2tyKKIJlvh7mtQX&hl=en_US&ll=43.09528694286645%2C12.432409988820481&z=7

>>510572679
Sorry, nords and bell beakers literally do not have yamnaya Y DNA

>>510570121
>holup we wuz roman and shieeet?
Never said we were Romans.
I just said that Romans were White. Tall, blond haired blue eyed to be exact.
Germanic people were never Roman, but they must carry on the torch of Roman civilization.
That's why all our architecture is neoclassical, Greco-Roman influence.
>China wuz blonde
Never said that. I said that as America becomes browner, we will have a tougher and tougher time competing against China.
It was Nazi scientists that put us on the moon, yet we replace our American engineers with brown ones for cheep labor.

>>510572752
Then why is my mom 6’1” and has brown eyes. My eyes are pure as the Adriatic

>>510572682
J2 has been in Italy since agriculture dawned you doofos.

>>510572771
china could obliterate all of europe tomorrow for all i care.

>>510570621
>Sardinian still has the hard k and g sounds which is the oldest Latin pronunciation.
Oh, that's what you meant.
Yeah! Sardinian doesn't palatalize C and G before vowels: chentu, anghelu, pranghende, etc.
But then Sardinian does palatalize other places, the language is dotted with tz. Frantziscu Cossiga. Or foza for foglia (I think?).

So certainly closest.
I think I'm pushing back on closest just because when I learned Latin I expected to unlock all the Romance languages. I didn't. I certainly can do better than the average person, but it's not the cheat code that I thought.

>I kinda doubt that you can understand it
In the written form. Spoken is a whole 'nother ball game.
Written language is always easier. I'm sure you can do way better with written French than spoke French, for example.

The threads about to 404, I want to apologize for sounding like a bit of a know-it-all when really I know nothing. Mi dispiace.

>>510571549
Ah, so it's like how Genoans say Zena instead of Genova.
>pic of pig
Shouldn't it be a goat, you scopacapra. :^)

>>510572919
J2a not J2b
R1a not R1b
Not the same

Are you stupid?

>>510571563
Some northern WOPs are pretty fair, but you can always tell their Italian. It might be the way they act though.

>>510573037
But J2a and J2b have the same origin.
As does R1b and R1a.

>>510573134
ywnbaw

>>510561594
>Cool, so those peak subhumans built one of the greatest empires in human history and your whole country is an attempt to copy their brilliance. What's so great about you again? Is it Kanye West?
"we wuz Romans"

>>510572919
not particularly, not that subclade, neolithic Italy was overwhelmingly G2a, C1a2, I2; haplogroups don't stop at two or three letters, they can be tracked down to the century, there is a Balkanic clade that has a founder effect in Adriatic Indo-European related cultures beginning with Cetina culture, if you want to be precise it's J2b2a1a1a1

>>510573134
Here in the South they wouldn’t let you get married if you were Italian until recently. Based on my time in Italy I hole thats due to Italian Americans which act like jews. My experience with actual Italians has been great. Maybe it was different in the past

>>510573164
lol you don’t know anything

>>510573283
So Indo-Europeans were getting blacked already back then?

>>510571962
If it was then north west Europeans would have a bunch of those lines but they don't. Thus those are almost certainly eef.

>>510573391
no, eastern European lineages utterly dominated for the most part, R1b, R1a, I2-L699, even Q1, during the formation of PIE some J just managed to be incorporated from the caucasus and took part to the big expansion
same reason you have Britonic Celts with E1b, the latter just managed to get carried over along the dominating R1b-P312 derived cultures

>>510553117
>>510553855
>>510571075
This will never make sense. Ashkenazi Jews are half Italian, half Semitic, and they can still look like Natalie Portman. Where are the white features and fair skin coming from? The middle eastern half?
Italians are white.

>>510573423
not how it works, there is no such lineage found among EEF and we have a fuckton of EEF, it's called a founder effect, see pic >>510571132

>>510573537
Indo-Europeans were already getting blacked man.

>>510573658
>t. yid

>>510573658
that's your fetish, stone age caucasians were also robust whiteish gigachads like eastern hunter gatherers

>>510571501
nobody would fuck you, neckbeard lardball lmao

>>510572752
>nords and bell beakers literally do not have yamnaya Y DNA
You sure about that?

>>510572356
Itt'erer narrer ^un accurtzu? Accurtzu accurtzu jai no soe de se^uru, ^a in sa bidda prus accante ae noe ^istionana ^ampidanessu.
And I better stop typing in my chopped up glottal stop spam of a dialect before I dox myself.

>>510572438
Nice fanfic, is that why you’re a slave to jews now? Unfortunately for you, your knowledge about genetics stop at snownigger kangs, meanwhile, we have the data about our heritage, and of you being a quite literal swamp dweller.

>>510573806
Yea, read your meme image. No YDNA.

>>510573738
When you have J2 and E in your bloodline you are already Afro-Asiatic.
Thats already black.

>>510573806
Yamnaya were largely R1b-Z2103 and I2-L699, Bell beakers are nearly all R1b-L51 derived, they are cousins, rather than descendants of the main Yamnaya chieftains specifically
very close cousins nevertheless, there are some Z2103 in west Europe, but also L51 all the way in Afanasievo in the far east

>>510561904
>not a SINGLE blonde person
Swarthy niggers

>>510572997
Yep, it becomes Zenova here, and the v sort of sounds like a b.
We need more threads like these, they're great.

>>510574030
My half brother is 6’5” and born platinum but has brown eyes. I’m 6’6” and born wheat colored yet stayed blonde have have blue eyes. My mother has brown eyes and my father has blue eyes. My mother is taller than my father. Are belle beakers stronger than Yamnaya??

>>510572771
You are on the same wave length as dumb black niggers, who claim they were the real israelites. You are an American, shut the fuck up about Europe. We have intermingled for thousands of years, so yes there is and was blonde people in Rome, that does not mean all emperors and subjects to the roman empire were blonde and blue eyed, you dumb nigger.

>>510553149
>>510553117
KEK

>>510574398
Blondism had some expression. But never beyond 10%.
At least in Italy.

>>510574018
R1 is asian. Bell beakers were chimps, not based. Only based R1b are Yamnaya (z2103 and PF7576). Northern and Western Europeans don’t have these genes.