Thread 510585719

how do you know the bible is true?

>>510585719 (OP)
Some jew told my ancestors it’s true

>>510585719 (OP)
Open your eyes and look around

>>510585719 (OP)
I'll put it in zoomer speak so you'll understand
The fact that this "meme" has lasted for over 1500 years is indicative of "aura"
Christ's message must be "rizz" if it resonates with people so much.

>>510585719 (OP)
A rather long and complex year of theological study followed by divine revelation.

It’s a lot of work so usually I just suggest people become Christian because it makes kikes seethe

>>510585719 (OP)
It and the church Christ founded that created its official form is the most logically, philosophically rigorous and coherent worldview ever conceived, is full of predictions which came true that are almost statistically impossible to be mere coincidence, has been preserved to a greater degree than virtually any other text ever, and forms the basis of peak western civilization, art, and literature

>>510585719 (OP)
cause jews wrote that it is true in the bible

>>510585719 (OP)
Because the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ, has declared that the canon of Sacred Scripture, at least the Latin Vulgate as translated and compiled by St. Jerome, is inerrant.

>>510586610
what predictions?

>>510585719 (OP)
For me, the big three are the witness of the Apostles, fulfilled prophecy and the moral integrity and character of Jesus Christ. No one indeed ever spoke like Jesus, who is awfully sure of himself. Compare the Gospels to the texts of every other religion. They don't read like that at all, with such certainty and force, about very incredible things.

>>510585719 (OP)
in my mind is real.
i remember jewish synagogues, persecuting Jesus Christ because he said, that usury is stealing.

>>510585719 (OP)
that shit is boring and gay. Imagine believing that trash.

>>510586975
Old Testament states:
>messiah would be rejected, suffers, and die for others
>would die among “transgressors”
>would have his hands/feet pierced
>would bring salvation to all people of the Earth
>would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver

These were written centuries beforehand. There are others as well (eg enter Jerusalem on a donkey) that you could argue oh they just did it on purpose to fulfill it but the fact that the messiah centuries beforehand was predicted to come, be rejected, be crucified among criminals/thieves, and then rise, and then the fact that the 2nd temple is destroyed within just a few decades of Christ’s death which he exactly predicted, and then the fact that Christianity became dominant over Rome within a few centuries despite the idea of them coming to worship Christ was patently absurd at the time, are all incredibly significant.

>>510587538
Foolish words, especially from one whose time is short. Fully up to date on all boosters, I'm sure.

It is. The Dead Sea Scrolls even had the passages from Isaiah 53 and other prophecies predicting the coming of Christ, which was prophesied long ago. You should start with the Gospels and then read the rest

>>510585719 (OP)
I'm a philosophical skeptic, a Pyrrhonist, so I don't believe reason or observation can actually establish truth.

I accept Jesus' offer of eternal life based purely on faith. He offered so I accepted.

>>510587660
that's hardly impressive

>>510588354
What’s impressive is BTFOing every other school of philosophy during Pax Romana and still remaining unbeaten to this day; because it’s wholly true. The ironic thing is that modern day empiricist scientism is basically just a revival of the oldest and most primitive conceptions of existence; just eternal chaos and randomness and incoherence all the way down. Epicureans already tried to formalize the same basic concept thousands of years ago and got laughed out by every high IQ European in antiquity.

>>510587895
>so I don't believe reason or observation can actually establish truth.
That belief is opposed to Christian doctrine.

>>510585719 (OP)
Pain is a subjective experience we all know objectively.

Start from there and work your way forwards.

What kinds of pain?

Of which should be avoided?

Or shouldn't be caused.

That's the beginning of your definition for God.

Abandon ancient texts, they're severely antiquated and only applies these days in the forms of metaphors.

>>510585719 (OP)
read it

Because I read it, and it's well made

>>510585719 (OP)
How do you know anything is true?
How can you believe your own eyes?
How can you believe you are not misled?
To answer your question the answer is Faith, I believe it to be true. I have no reason not to believe its true.

>>510585719 (OP)

Nothing is true.

>>510589419
Is that true?

>>510585719 (OP)
Jesus is alive and the Bible is as good as the fire it has been put to in order to see what kind of work that it is. Jesus' brand is just that reliable that it's your fault in every case if you don't get it together. Hesitation is NGMI. Fraudulent blind boldness is also NGMI.

>>510585719 (OP)
Evil people hate it.

>>510585719 (OP)
Which Bible?

>>510585719 (OP)
Gut feeling

>>510589638
Texas gets it

>>510585719 (OP)
By reading it.

I know. I know. Crazy concept, but hey. If it works, ya know?

>>510586191
1000 years of torturing natives to believe is alot of rizz

>>510589638
>>510589769
i shutter to think the pickle it is

>>510589638
Correct.

Always fun to point out that modern secular materialism is an ideology promoted to the masses by a conglomerate of western media and governments whose elite all practice esoteric occultism. Convincing the plebs that the spiritual realm and souls don’t exist makes it very easy to hijack them. Can’t defend yourself against an enemy you don’t see or believe in.

>>510589467

Nothing is true.

>>510590109
Yup, that’s the incoherent babble I’d expect from an Israeli flag.

>>510590355

Learn what fuzzy logic is NIGGER. We can assign probabilities to statements, but we can't say that any statement is absolutely true.

>>510585719 (OP)
Fulfilled prophecy and other information that could only have come from God.

>>510585719 (OP)
Foolproof evidence? I have none.
I have faith in it, witch i understand doesn’t work for everyone.
Also, the people who want me broke and dead, my homeland destroyed, the legacy of my ancestors ground into dust, my children trans and brainwashed fucking hate it. It seems to be the only thing they fear. So fuck it, the Bible is my best bet

> write predictions in bible hundreds of years after events take place
> woah they came true!!!! I should give all sovereignty to the regional priest who is raping my kids!!!
lol

>>510590653
>we can't say that any statement is absolutely true
And by your own specious logic, that statement itself is possibly false.

Luke 23:39 was contrary to human nature until 50 years ago:
>For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’

This verse was mystifying christian for over 2000 year and only began to make sense in the last century.

>>510590913
How many times do we have to go over this? Your kid is several times more likely to get molested by a public school teacher. Or a rabbi for that matter.

>>510591178

All well-formed statements are possibly false. How do you think a neural network works?

>>510591468
if you think thats proof of a religion then youre fucking retarded
go kiss nigger feet, you little retard

>>510591853
Proof, truth, meaningless if you don’t have a metaphysical framework justifying their existence, reliability, and value. So tell me, what’s your basis for these things?

>>510586191
On God this book is bussin no cap.

>>510591698
Of course, you mean "well-formed formula" but I suppose that's mere nomenclature. In any case, your evasion is inept since my point is that because the statement "we can't say that any statement is absolutely true" is possibly false, it's negation, viz., some statements are absolutely true, is possibly true.

>>510585719 (OP)
Because my priest told me it is!!
Right before he told me to take off my pants...

>>510592426

"All statements are absolutely true," is also possibly true. Then we get down to acting in the real world and then assign probabilities to possibly true statements. When we do, we figure out that we don't ever really assign absolute truth to any fucking statement. So, there's a very low probability of that happening.

It's like Reverse Pascal's Wager. He makes it 50-50. He makes it Boolean. It isn't even close. The probability of Jesus being some sort of deity is as close to zero as possible based on our lived experiences of the world.

>>510592772
You’re making truth statements while rejecting truth statements. Incoherent nonsense.

>>510585719 (OP)
>how do you know the bible is true?

Because Jews hate Christ.

>>510592852

I'm making probably-true statements while rejecting absolutely-true statements.

I'm not even rejecting them. I'm saying they're probably-false. Which they are.

>>510585719 (OP)
Not all of it is, but what is is verifyable through experiment.

>>510592772
>Then we get down to acting in the real world and then assign probabilities to possibly true statements. When we do, we figure out that we don't ever really assign absolute truth to any fucking statement.
Typical Jew tactic of attempting to relativize everything, except, of course, the Holocaust. But you overlook the fact that some of us have studied mathematical logic and first order modal logic. Time to call it a night, Rebbe. I'm above your pay grade.

>>510589916
you mean exactly what jews do to every nation they infect?

>>510590913
>predict that people will hate you
>people start hating you

THIS CONFIRMS IT!!!

call me when there's kangaroos in the bible

>>510593043

Nigger I don't care about larping as some intellectual. I like to keep things simple. I have a university degree. Maybe you do too. Doesn't mean we have to be assholes about it.

Yes, historical events are also probabilistic. Isn't that obvious? That's why we have historians.

https://acoup.blog/2025/03/07/collections-what-do-historians-do/

>>510593250
>I have a university degree.
I have four.
>Yes, historical events are also probabilistic. Isn't that obvious?
No.
>That's why we have historians.
Historians are state sanctioned propagandists.

>>510593379

Is it really some big revelation that we update history based on new information? We can never really say what happened. We can only say what we think probably happened. A lot of that is eventually proven false. That's why we have historians going through phases. A historian's work is never really done.

>>510585719 (OP)
child sacrifice

>>510587660
No it doesn't

>>510593851
Thanks for the input Paki.

>>510591468
That still doesn't make sense though. Never heard anyone say that and unmarried women are dogged daily by their parents and relatives

>>510593607
>A historian's work is never really done.
Obviously. Otherwise, Ingsoc would not require the services of the Ministry of Truth.

>>510593903
You're still wrong. Those are christian perversions to the scripture. Easily disprovable. Go ahead post your verses and I'll show you how you're wrong.

>>510585719 (OP)
If your enemy agrees with you, than it is too true to even deny.

They hate jesus, but they lost the forgiveness of God in 30AD, the year jesus died.

baka senpai.

>>510593993

The fact that you're calling history propaganda is an admission that you know history is probabilistic.

The Bible is a history book. By your own admission, it's a book of propaganda.

All of it's to get us to maintain our identity in a hostile neighborhood. It's useful propaganda.

The books of the Bible are like this piece here. This is the Bible written for a modern audience.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/04/us-anti-semitism-jewish-american-safety/677469/

>>510594032
>please saar engage with me!

Would seriously consider using a memeflag if you want to seriously engage with anybody. Nobody wants to waste their time on a shitskin dung eater

>>510594175
Hello nigger, your israeli people are unironically posting propaganda right now during this time of history.
You are a band of murdering liars.
Even to your very graves.

>>510594225
Very Christlike response I must say. Jesus is nowhere in the tanakh just by the way, not even implied.

Why do christians always resort to such vile speech and base insults when they start panicking?

>>510593851
What he said is a 100% true. Check it out yourself:

Daniel 9:26
Isaiah 53
Isaiah 49:6
Zechariah 11:12

>>510585719 (OP)
Pic related

>>510585719 (OP)
obviously true, written by jews and jews dont lie

>>510593946
You live in Pakistan, that verse was not about you, it was about Christendom.

>>510589916
If someone is following what the Bible teaches they will not torture anybody. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself" are words spoken by Jesus Christ. God teaches that people should be loving, even to their enemies. Many pick and choose which verses to believe and which to not and justify all sorts of evil by doing so, but the Bible is clear on how man should live.

>>510585719 (OP)
I am a believer, but the Bible seems is a book put together by the Church.

Who is Joseph's father, Jacob or Heli? The Gospels can't even agree on this.

>>510594473
>Daniel 9:26
https://youtu.be/SjKLYEo2AMk
>Isaiah 53
https://youtu.be/hJMZxfGiFqg
>Isaiah 49:6
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel not gentiles
>Zechariah 11:12
Used by the authors of the synoptics to justify their claims. They do that constantly. Using their method you can literally prove Jesus used to worship idols.

>>510594666
There are easily 5+ million Christians here. More than the populations of some countries.

>>510594922
>Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel not gentiles.

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isaiah 49:6)

>>510594175
>The fact that you're calling history propaganda is an admission that you know history is probabilistic.
That some historical events, such as the so-called Holocaust, are partially, if not entirely, fabricated does not imply that any historical claim is probabilistic.

>The Bible is a history book. By your own admission, it's a book of propaganda.
The Latin Vulgate is inerrant. It is not primarily a history book, although whatever histories it contains are completely reliable.
>The Atlantic.
You pretend that we don't understand the significance of projects such as Operation Mockingbird.

>>510594724
>>510594615
>>510591468
>>510590869
Who is Joseph's (Christ's earthly father) father?

>>510594922
>Used by the authors of the synoptics to justify their claims. They do that constantly. Using their method you can literally prove Jesus used to worship idols.

No you can't, unless you take things out of context and deal dishonestly with the text.

>>510595173
Easily memeflag. Want to show us your real flag first?

>>510594418
>hurrr very Christlike

Always so funny when you anti Christ faggots try to impress on us that we need to be meek and cowardly and act like faggots. Wouldn’t that be so convenient for you. You’re not my friend and you aren’t owed deference, especially not when you attack Truth.

>>510585719 (OP)
It's impossible to know if the bible is true but it is possible someone knows it is fake. Put that in your pipe faithers

>>510585719 (OP)
Faith

>>510595281
>Truth
What evidence do you have to justify that it's actually the truth that christians like to throw around that word? If it's the truth then let's hear about it. And none of that let Jesus into your life and experience the holy spirit nonsense. I want actual verifiable evidence

>>510587895
Well. Technically. Someone else said he offered. And you accepted. You really have no idea if he even existed let alone any of the miraculous bs

>>510595187
That was the whole point. They rejected their messiah and salvation went to the gentiles as predicted.

“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.” (Acts 28:27-28)

“And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.” (John 10:16)

>>510595388
>If it's the truth then let's hear about it.
Why? You despise the truth.

>>510595452
Words of Jesus prove you wrong yet again where he says explicitly not to teach gentiles. You're the one dishonestly dealing with the text after accusing me of it.

And I won't reply to you further unless you remove the memeflag. It's a sign of dishonesty from the get go.

>>510595388
I’ll humor you if you provide your worldview first. I’d like to understand your basis for what verifiable evidence represents.

>>510595505
Is the truth of Christianity really that much of a secret? Go on let us hear it too if you are truthful. Stop strawmanning me and let it out

>>510585719 (OP)
Jews wrote it.

>>510595114

There are tons of historical inaccuracies in the Bible. Most of the material isn't confirmed at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible

That doesn't make it any less useful. But you have to admit that it's all propaganda.

The Bible is our national myth. How is it different from anyone else's national myths?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_folk-epics

>>510595595
Now what does Matthew 28:19 say, disingenuous brownoid?

>>510595645
Money is slavery, all the "mind control" is based on lies and illusions
The society is forced by jews in fake ways, it's why they are silent now.
They fear the result of their foundation in deceit.
They want to drag everyone down with them

>>510595617
Anything that can be rationally justified or established, or any evidence that can be corroborated through multiple other sources, or physical evidence that can be examined.

>>510595711
your national myth is the star of david, which you worship as your global network of hope for your flesh addicted scamming retard tribe of slave drivers
you freaks can't hide, you're just that far gone in life

>>510595746
You didn’t answer my question. What is your worldview that accounts for these things? Ie, on what basis do you justify rationality? Citing other sources is a game that can go round in circles forever.

>>510589916
If we treated the natives like you say, there would be no natives left. On god.

>>510595595
Again, that was the kingdom being offered to the jew, which they rejected and thus salvation (not the kingdom) becomes available to the gentiles.

“But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.” (Acts 9:15-16)

“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.” (Acts 13:46)

>>510595886
>>510595595
arguing retards, the jews have us enslaved for generations to come if we don't tell them "No" in this lifetime.

>>510595711
Bullshit.

God promising to preserve his word:

“The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalms 12:6-7)

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35)

Which He considers to be more important than his own name:

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalms 138:2)

Which you cannot even take in vain without getting in trouble:

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” (Exodus 20:7)

And what kind of God inspires something just to let it be lost to human corruption and error? That's not the almighty God of the Bible.

Also God's solemn warning against anybody messing with His book:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation of John 22:18-19)

“For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

>>510595726
That is definitely a changed text. Even Eusebius quotes in the my name not in the name of the trinity formula, along with multiple acts verses.

>>510595799
Why must you play these games instead of just presenting your case without any prejudice?

>>510595969
>changed text

lol what?

Why can’t you simply state your own beliefs? Seems like a fair demand if we are comparing our worldviews. I don’t see why you need to obfuscate this.

The k8ng james bible was written 50 years before the jews were allowed back in england. Cohencidience i think not

My theory on jews are their schemes are 3 generations long. So when the kike demon pops out the twat... hes already rubbing his hands saying to his dad and grandfather, whats in the works.

>>510585719 (OP)
Faith is like that.

>>510595645
>Stop strawmanning me and let it ou
What straw man? The following questions are sufficiently deceitful to prove my claim that you despise the truth.
>Is the truth of Christianity really that much of a secret? Go on let us hear it too if you are truthful.
Harvest shekels from some one else.

>>510595452
Who is Joseph's (Christ's earthly father) father?

>>510595965

>The Bible says the Bible is true.

FUCKING WOAH.

>>510585719 (OP)
>how do you know the bible is true?
I don't but I when Jesus says Truly, Truly I say to you... I believe that part and what He says. He was really against lying and doing what you hate, which is the essence of leftism. So, you can just highlight the Word of God and separate that from the words of men and a whole new perspective comes into view. The true vine stuff becomes clear, and all of a sudden you will fall in love with the world and there is only one thing left to do: ding a dang dong a ling long. Seriously though, you got to keep them separated.

>>510595064
Pakistan is a islamic civilization ans thus is not concerned by Luke 23:29.

>>510595160
Why Matthew and Luke have different genealogy is unexplained but could be justified with levirate marriage law. The Bible is a mix of explained and unexplained facts, if everything was textually explicit, there would be no room for faith.

>>510596082
The new international version is even more jewish than your preferred target of interest.
It looks more like you're some slave driving nigger on a pyramid scheme like the catholics are.

Itt: many retards

The Bible isn't one book

Its a collection of 60+ books from many different authors from many different time periods that collectively point to one story of creation through prophecy and history making it timeless.

It is the reference book humans put together for all entire history on this planet. It is the default/base mode for our entire history in the world.

When a scholar goes to learn about Jesus, they read the Gospels in the Bible because that is the recorded history we have of Jesus.

Deniers have tried to retroactively label some or all of the books in Bible canon as fiction but nobody ever understood it like this. It is literally books written in history, by people who lived back then, for people who lived back then,and there exists no records from the time they were written of people denying the claims because everyone understood the Bible as true.

>>510586191
Jesussy Chrizzt

>>510596170
read the thread you fucking nigger

>>510585719 (OP)
rabbi sau- i mean paul told me so

>>510596137
Yes, and all fulfilled prophecy testifies of it's truthfulness.

>>510585719 (OP)
Because the Holy Spirit dwells on earth. Atheists are spiritually blind but at least their obsession keeps them seeking.

>>510596194
you're a fat fucking jew

>>510596074
No it's not. You are the one that claimed it's the truth. Just present your case and let us mull over it. What difference does anyone's world view have over what the truth is? For example let me present a truth

1+1+1 is always 3. Wouldn't you agree?

>>510596197
not an argument nigger

>>510596255
fucking kill yourself jew

>>510595711
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_the_Bible
What does a reference to a state curated source of propaganda prove?
>The Bible is our national myth.
No, the Talmud is the book of your satanic religion, which the Rabbis devised in opposition to the Torah, the book of the Mosaic religion.

>>510596143
A genealogy is not really an article of faith, a genealogy table is a factual piece of data. That the gospels completely disagree on this without any scriptural explanation always bothered me.

>>510593851
>n-n-n-noooo it d-d-doesn't
Oh yeah? Prove it doesn't. Check your Ak-47 Chromosomes at the door, Walid.

>>510596096
Asking you to present your claims is deceitful now? Just admit you don't have the truth then

>>510596252
I’d like to hear your alternative first. Are you a Muslim? Atheist? Simple question. Why are you afraid to say it? You seem to have a firm grasp on what the truth is so I’d like to hear it.

>>510596252
1x1x1 is 1 you stupid nigger
God doesn't serve you virgins on a platter you sex cult nigger

>>510596375
lurk, do not post
kike

>>510585719 (OP)
>how do you know the bible is true?
You go far enough in this world, and you live long enough, you see things that can only be explained by divine intervention.
I know Christ is our Savior.
I know, without a shred of doubt.

>>510596395
>stop posting
Kys

>>510596344
Did you hear me ever claim that I have the truth?


>>510596375
But is 1+1+1=3 or not?

>>510585719 (OP)
Have Jews been consulted on the original Hebrew in order to achieve a modern translation?

Then it's bogus

>>510596399
like what?

>>510596439
fuck off jew slave

>>510596221

Prophecies are just fearmongering. Like someone was going on about Ezekiel 38 and how Gog is Putin and Magog is RuZZia.

Well, we know who Meshek and Tubal probably are. Ezekiel was in Babylon talking about a kingdom on the edges of Babylon and going on about how our enemies who all hated each other would all team up to kill us if we didn't stick to our traditions. That's all his prophecies are.

I listen to the modern version of that stuff 24/7 on Israeli TV. I'm living in Biblical times lmao.

https://armstronginstitute.org/1167-the-archaeology-of-meshech-and-tubal

>>510596497
Not trying to be an asshole, but why do you want to know?
Some of this is pretty personal.

>>510596472
Save yourself the trouble.

What's the Big Deal About the KJV?: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmeJkHo165uuTk0vqt16PNpQsW2PQH_qQ

>>510596462
>But is 1+1+1=3 or not
How much does Allah + kaaba stones + Muhammed + books equals you Islaminigger whose too embarrassed to say he's a muhammedan because he knows everyone knows the dirt on his prophet

>>510596697
blow your head off jew
all you people do every time is this circular bullshit

>>510596462
You still seem to refuse to provide what you actually believe. Are you a theist? Are you atheist? Do you believe in solely materialism or something else? This is an issue because debating over what is true or false changes based on the presuppositions one has. The fact that you refuse to elaborate or state any of your actual true beliefs means you cannot present your own position which would hold up to scrutiny.

>>510596618
Isaiah 53.

>>510595711
Anon, you have rightly judged; I do not regard the Scriptures as do the rabbis. I will talk with you about this matter on condition that you do not relate these things to your brethren, who are not all prepared to receive this teaching. The words of the law of Moses and the teachings of the Scriptures were not in existence before Abraham. Only in recent times have the Scriptures been gathered together as we now have them. While they contain the best of the higher thoughts and longings of the Jewish people, they also contain much that is far from being representative of the character and teachings of the Father in heaven; wherefore must I choose from among the better teachings those truths which are to be gleaned for the gospel of the kingdom.

>>510596283

The Bible is a state-curated source of propaganda, dumb nigger. Who do you think wrote the Bible?

Jesus followed a lot of what eventually became the Talmud. It's impossible to be a Jew without the Talmud. Even early Christians followed rabbinic teaching.

23 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude and to His disciples,
2 saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.

https://youtu.be/g3eB4HEILmA

>>510585719 (OP)
a move the goalpost thread again

>>510595711
These writings are the work of men, some of them holy men, others not so holy. The teachings of these books represent the views and extent of enlightenment of the times in which they had their origin. As a revelation of truth, the last are more dependable than the first. The Scriptures are faulty and altogether human in origin, but mistake not, they do constitute the best collection of religious wisdom and spiritual truth to be found in all the world at this time.

>>510596817
>>510595711
get a real life you fat retards

>>510596786
Again, my worldview or anyone's worldview is besides the point. Let me demonstrate by making a truth claim and proving it.

>I am currently smoking right now

Proof: pic rel.

Your turn now.

>>510596166

We traded the magna carta for goyslop lol

The real problem with euros and aravs ...they rather the jews do the storytelling for them.

>>510596750
I've never said anything to you and you insist on quoting every post I make including posts to other people just to talk shit. Piss off you mentally ill nigger

>>510595711
Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

>>510596287
I agree with you that the existence of two genealogies for Jesus Christ is a disconcerting. I read some explication on that subject and a lot of them are cope and the only one that could make sense is the levirate marriage one. But that's the bible for you, a lot of thing that on the surface level make no sense and yet when you truly believe, you can't deny that it's the truth. Believing is a act of faith, not a science, Christ's kingdom is not of this world.

>>510596839
the star of david is a state-curated source of propaganda, dumb nigger.

>>510596341
Everyone knows the claims of Christianity. If you're interested, you can read, for example, the Roman Catechism.

>>510594236
So... America First WANTS to die in Israeli wars???

>>510596903
Why are you unable to state it? Do you not have confidence in your own beliefs? It’s very odd you’d be so embarrassed when you yourself seem to think you have a firm grasp on logic and truth.

>>510596930
you are a kike claiming yourself a rabbi.
you're just another faggot in line to suck netanyahu's cock
>>510596932
fuck off kike slave
you guys are so fucking buck broken in the mind and soul it's not even funny, you're zombie bots

>>510596651
you brought it up. I'm not trying to gotcha but there's been a lot of horseshit and if some dude was saying he dmt tripped and talked to the machine elves I'd ask questions about that as well. but for the most part nobody ever says anything tangible like something they couldn't have known otherwise.

don't get me wrong my dad for example had near death experiences and said he read the back of a machine while being out of his body and it checked out. also had a glimpse of the afterlife and said he was ferried over by a guy in a boat, doesn't mean this is proof greek paganism. personally I had my own realer than real experiences but still isn't proof for anything really.

>>510585719 (OP)
JESUS LOVES ME THIS I KNOW FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO

>>510596887
Many of these books were not written by the persons whose names they bear, but that in no way detracts from the value of the truths which they contain. If the story of Jonah should not be a fact, even if Jonah had never lived, still would the profound truth of this narrative, the love of God for Nineveh and the so-called heathen, be none the less precious in the eyes of all those who love their fellow men. The Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

>>510596952
What you've done now is simply shown that you have zero basis to claim you have the truth. I presented a truth and it was flawlessly accepted by everyone without a shred of doubt.

>>510597046
you will never be the heckin puppet master of life
you should kill yourself if you thought you're the pyramid master

>>510596887
Anon, never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies—men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

>>510597135
you are a fat brainwashed faggot
do not tell anyone what to do, ever.

>>510596082
The 80-year curse is a real thing. jews are on their 80th year since the fall of the NSDAP. Already America, a place that they said they felt the most safe in, is tired of their shit.

>>510597079
What you have demonstrated is that you are completely unwilling to defend your own viewpoint whatsoever. You are unable to confidently defend your worldview; you simply try to attack mine with cherry picked garbage without having to provide any alternative. There is no point in engaging with you; which I called from the start, as you are a shitskin. Now that right there is a demonstrated truth.

I would try asking yourself why it is that you are so embarrassed of your own beliefs. I’d guess you’re probably aware that they are utter nonsense, and cannot be defended, but are in denial about this at the same time, so your solution is to simply stay silent. Not a very strong endorsement of any argument you could make.

>>510597000
Precisely. Truth isn't subjective and it ought to be verifiable. Otherwise it's a meaningless claim

>>510597089
The thing most deplorable is not merely this erroneous idea of the absolute perfection of the Scripture record and the infallibility of its teachings, but rather the confusing misinterpretation of these sacred writings by the tradition-enslaved scribes and Pharisees at Jerusalem. And now will they employ both the doctrine of the inspiration of the Scriptures and their misinterpretations thereof in their determined effort to withstand these newer teachings of the gospel of the kingdom. Anon, never forget, the Father does not limit the revelation of truth to any one generation or to any one people. Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures.

>>510585719 (OP)
I read it

>>510596793

Isaiah 53 is a continuation of Isaiah 52. It's talking about us as a collective. It's telling us how we're all going to make it.

It keeps escalating from there and says we're eventually going to rule the world.

5 Strangers will shepherd your flocks;
foreigners will work your fields and vineyards.
6 And you will be called priests of the Lord,
you will be named ministers of our God.
You will feed on the wealth of nations,
and in their riches you will boast.

>>510596839
>The Bible is a state-curated source of propaganda, dumb nigger. Who do you think wrote the Bible?
So much for the mythical high Jewish IQ. But at least you're a living warning against the danger of inbreeding.
>Jesus followed a lot of what eventually became the Talmud. It's impossible to be a Jew without the Talmud. Even early Christians followed rabbinic teaching.
You pretend that exposes such as "Talmud Unmasked" haven't been posted here many times (and therefore accessible on 4plebs). We all know that you're a liar. Call it a night, Rebbe, before the yenta suspends your hole-in-the-sheet privileges.

>>510597285
fuck off jew groomer.

The authority of truth is the very spirit that indwells its living manifestations, and not the dead words of the less illuminated and supposedly inspired men of another generation. And even if these holy men of old lived inspired and spirit-filled lives, that does not mean that their words were similarly spiritually inspired. Today we make no record of the teachings of this gospel of the kingdom lest, when I have gone, you speedily become divided up into sundry groups of truth contenders as a result of the diversity of your interpretation of my teachings. For this generation it is best that we live these truths while we shun the making of records.

>>510597320
>>510597323
jews are trying to enforce the "strangers will shepherd your flocks" as justification of owning the Americans with the federal reserve scam.
it's getting jews killed in real life.

>>510596082
>t. armchair intellectual
King James bible is a translation of many different manuscripts from different periods of time in history. It was never presented as a new book.

>>510597327
Mark you well my words, Anon, nothing which human nature has touched can be regarded as infallible. Through the mind of man divine truth may indeed shine forth, but always of relative purity and partial divinity. The creature may crave infallibility, but only the Creators possess it.

>>510597264
>You are unable to confidently defend your worldview
But this isn't about my worldview, is it? This is about Christianity being the truth. You just exposed yourself that you don't have any truth whatsoever and are only waiting to go on the attack. Until then you'll try to use every insult in your book to demean me. But of course never present what you consider the truth. Because it just doesn't exist.

>>510596839
>Jesus followed a lot of what eventually became the Talmud. It's impossible to be a Jew without the Talmud. Even early Christians followed rabbinic teaching.

Bullshit.

“And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)

As for scribes and pharisees sitting in Moses' seat, that's a reference to the powers that were, not an blanket approval of their wickedness. If nothing else, the opposite is true (Matthew 23:13-33).

>>510596999
>you are a kike claiming yourself a rabbi.
No, I am not now nor have I ever been a Jew. I am a Roman Catholic who worships the Most Holy Trinity.

But the greatest error of the teaching about the Scriptures is the doctrine of their being sealed books of mystery and wisdom which only the wise minds of the nation dare to interpret. The revelations of divine truth are not sealed except by human ignorance, bigotry, and narrow-minded intolerance. The light of the Scriptures is only dimmed by prejudice and darkened by superstition. A false fear of sacredness has prevented religion from being safeguarded by common sense. The fear of the authority of the sacred writings of the past effectively prevents the honest souls of today from accepting the new light of the gospel, the light which these very God-knowing men of another generation so intensely longed to see.

>>510597210

And seeing how easy our leaders betrayed us... though im glad people finally can see them for the trouble they are... i feel like they want it to be this way and pay off more leadwrs and we will end up with a eastern euro block of warring factions... they wont even let us reser back to 1950s america. They will matbe start their own empire or go to the east... and that new place will keep us in like like siberia and boznia

>>510597368
>it's getting jews killed in real life.
Please explain.

>>510585719 (OP)
The Church produced the Bible. Learn about the history of the Church and you'll understand. IMHO the only real discussion is between Roman Catholics and Orthodox, everybody else is clearly heterodox. Understand the reasons for the east west schism of 1054 and you'll see which Church is true.

But the saddest feature of all is the fact that some of the teachers of the sanctity of this traditionalism know this very truth. They more or less fully understand these limitations of Scripture, but they are moral cowards, intellectually dishonest. They know the truth regarding the sacred writings, but they prefer to withhold such disturbing facts from the people. And thus do they pervert and distort the Scriptures, making them the guide to slavish details of the daily life and an authority in things nonspiritual instead of appealing to the sacred writings as the repository of the moral wisdom, religious inspiration, and the spiritual teaching of the God-knowing men of other generations.

>>510597320
Sure pal:

“All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isaiah 53:6)

Who's him?

>>510585719 (OP)
Of all the things I’ve read, this is one of those things I can directly accept without it needing to be vetted.

I’ll take my chances on being wrong

>>510597396
You’re the one too embarrassed to even say what you believe. This is because you know it won’t hold up to scrutiny. If you present nothing you know you can simply change and morph whatever your argument or viewpoint is on the fly, because you are not interested in discussion about what is true or not, you simply want to attack without having to justify yourself. I’d assume you are in fact a Muslim and know that saying this would put you in a position where any critique you can possibly make about Christianity makes your own viewpoint look infinitely worse. Thanks for conceding. Christ is King and his enemies are too embarrassed to even provide their own refutation at this point.

>>510596999
wtf are you talking about, nigger? Your retarded meme suggests all AF who don't want to die for Israel are muzscum larping like White people. Get your shit in order, or bot's broken. idgaf at the moment.

>>510597323

Most of the "Talmud Unmasked" bullshit is taken out of context.

Jesus literally told us to follow the Talmud. He's the type to say Haredim are complacent.

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not according to their works; for they say, and do not.

Also, if we take it at its word, the most important parts of the Bible are written by Moses and David, two literal kings, and the rest is mostly written and transmitted by our elites. Every single one of them is addressing our national concerns.

There's nothing wrong with that, but it is propaganda.

>>510597000
By my count, I should be dead at least half a dozen times by now.
Car crashes. War. Natural disaster. Hit by a car on a motorcycle. More.
Things that I refer to privately as "13 consecutive miracles" that create a chain of cause and effect events that is statistically about impossible, plus some other things that I really would prefer not going into because this is not the place for it.
I know Christ is real.
I met Him.
I am still here for a reason - but I do not know what that reason is.
I would not spend this much effort on a wretch like me.

>>510595187

25But she came, knelt before him, and said, “Lord, help me! ”

26He answered, “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”

28Then Jesus replied to her, “Woman, your faith is great. Let it be done for you as you want.” And from that moment her daughter was healed.

If you actually read instead of already in your heart and mind deciding what you think you know, you might learn something.

>>510596252
>>510596462
What is 1x1x1?
What is 1 to the third power?
You and your deception has no power here.


>>510595452
Jesus Christ bless this soul for their faith, you're not alone brother

>>510585719 (OP)
Prophecy being fulfilled.

>>510597618
That's just projection and assuming things. You have yet to present your case. Screaming Christ is king at the top of your lungs doesn't make Christianity true.

So if you don't present the truth I'll just assume you don't have it. You can continue hurling insults at people that literally just ask you questions

>>510597275
yeah, or falsifiable for that matter. again, don't get me wrong I'm not trying to shit on people, but most of the "proof" never goes beyond a credible threshold. it's always some kind of nebulous wishy washy kind of personal anecdote. maybe a self-fulfilling prophecy.

that said I do believe there might be a life after death and this isn't the end and maybe there's even some evidence that gets covered up, partially because it might make some people really really mad because it rock traditional relgious power vectors, but either or don't understand why people get hung up on a single book and make it the center of their universe.

>>510585719 (OP)
Faith

>>510597720
>26He answered, “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
>27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
That's incredibly degenerate. How would you like it if someone called your mother a dog? If he was among afghans instead of weak kikes he would've had his head cracked open on the road.

>What is 1x1x1?
>What is 1 to the third power?
>You and your deception has no power here.

How many persons in the Trinity and how do you arrive at that number?

>>510585719 (OP)
>Read revelations
>Literally unfolding before our eyes
Oh, there's also
>Write down a bunch of rules
>Goal is to have a functional high society
>One that can make it literally thousands of years
>Survive the progression of people and tech
>Throw in a little record keeping
And oh look, you wrote the bible
I will now listen to the autistic screeching about jews on sticks.

>>510597664
>Most of the "Talmud Unmasked" bullshit is taken out of context.
Sure thing, you inbred alter noyef.
>Jesus literally told us to follow the Talmud.
Save your blasphemy for the yeshiva. No one's buying what you're selling.

>>510597716
how do you know you weren't just presented a reflection of whatever deeply ingrained programming you have going on and if you were hindu you would've met krishna instead? also probability is weird.

I remember potentially going crazy at one point and hearing a female voice in my head as clear as day while lying in bed asking me if I wanted to sell my soul. said no and got visited again eventually in a dream. was lead up some stairs looking down at the universe and she told me I could have anything I wish for and I asked her to tell me something I couldn't know otherwise and that's that. she said well shit and the dream ended like she hung up on me, but really I think this was just a mental episode doesn't matter how realistic it was. it's like when you think you can fly but your feet never leave the ground.

>>510597664
>Jesus literally told us to follow the Talmud. He's the type to say Haredim are complacent.
>3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not according to their works; for they say, and do not.

There's no mention of the talmud here, not even a trace. The whole point was that christians were expected to follow the fake, illegitimate rules imposed by these demon pharisees and suffer in their hands as a testimony against them in the day of judgement. Jesus Himself did the exact same thing and submitted Himself to them even though the whole kidnapoing, trial and execution were illegal.

“He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.” (Isaiah 53:7)

>>510597880
I dunno, don't you think some people thought murder was bad long before the bible? maybe you shall not steal was a revelation to the ancient jews but I doubt many other societies felt like, well go ahead steal my shit.

>>510597720
Thank you brother. God bless.

>>510597664
>Jesus literally told us to follow the Talmud
The same talmud that says the following ?
>On Passover Eve they hung the corpse of Jesus the Nazarene after they killed him by way of stoning. And a crier went out before him for forty days, publicly proclaiming: Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited people to idol worship, and led the Jewish people astray.
Sanhedrin 43a:20

>>510597752
Most people have been brainwashed into believing whatever their parents or priests forcefed them. This is true for every single religion out there. Their worldviews are fragile and a little pushback gets them emotionally riled up and their whole identity hinges on their belief system. Bunch of dumb sheep.

>>510590869
least annoying christkike

>>510597431

Mark 7 is Jesus telling people not to wash their hands and their utensils. Jesus was definitely wrong on this one. That's fucking disgusting.

Then he goes on some SJW-tier rant about offerings to the Temple. Despite the fact that the Messiah is meant to make offerings to the Temple himself.

>25 “‘During the seven days of the festival, which begins in the seventh month on the fifteenth day, he is to make the same provision for sin offerings, burnt offerings, grain offerings and oil.

>>510597908

Yes, nigger. A Jew has to follow the Talmud. Not just because there are certain things that are missing in the Tanakh. It's also dangerous to follow the Torah on its own like a braindead fundamentalist.

https://mizrachi.org/hamizrachi/the-torah-destroyed-jerusalem/

>>510598029
I was diagnosed with leukemia, basically a death sentence
House was empty. Wife and son out of the country.
Could not sleep. Wandered into the living room and sat on my old chair.
I was cold. I bowed my head and asked only that I make it to my son's 18th birthday and after that if it was my time, then that was okay.
I felt a warm blanket around my shoulders - which startled me because I was alone in the house.
I looked up and into the face of Christ, who put the blanket around my shoulders that was not there... And He smiled at me.
And I knew - I knew - that things were going to be okay.
My son turned 18 a few years ago
Cancer in remission
It's been difficult, but I am still here. Me and my little family are still together.

>>510597388
you are a stupid jew slave
>>510597720
>>510595452
salvation is for all and you don't pray on a 4chan thread
stupid kikes

>>510597320
Foreigners working your fields and tending your flocks is a recipe to get taken the fuck over - that is what you kikes are pushing in the US via your Epstein-compromised politicians and billionaires. Pretty dumb to have the same plan for yourselves, Hymie.

>>510585847
The world is starting to heal like this black woman who hasn't shoplifted from grocery stores for over a year now.

>>510598255
maybe, wouldn't call them dumb tho. everybody looks for comfort and there's some truths in relgion generally speaking. I'm not shitting on that, mostly just hate con-artists abusing religious hierarchy to prey on lonely people or folks who are in crisis, if anything I'm saying maybe truth is bigger than that. heard once that nothing can exist in opposition to the rules of the universe just in opposition to what we know about it, but whatever. im christianity is just one potential gate to something that goes beyond the bible.

>>510598128
>2/10 basic commandments probably existed in other forms before
Ok. Cool. Now do the other 8, then get into all of the other rules. There's literally an entire book of law.

>>510598393
Christianity predates Judaism. And modern Jews have little, if any, ancestral link to those Jews contemporary with Christ. Moreover, the term Jew is a religious, not a biological, category.

Here's a link to the Talmud Unmasked:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/476718247

>>510598398
not trying to take that away from you. can't explain it but I figure even if christ wasn't real it's an archetype we might manifest psychologically. who knows, but that's part of the point.

>>510598572
They are deaf, dumb and blind. You have people literally eating cow shit. Don't tell me that this isn't a sign of dishonesty if you continue to swallow the Kool aid shoved down your throat when you grow older. And if that's what you want, fine eat cow shit, worship a rabbi, no one cares. But stop trying to claim that it's the truth without being able to prove it.

>>510598684
not cheating with other people's wives, and listening to your parents and such is pretty straight foward too.

also doesn't code of hammurabi predate the old testament?

>>510598702
>who knows, but that's part of the point
I know.
And this is a hill I will die on, metaphorically speaking
I cannot explain everything, but I can tell you Christ is very real
I don't drink. Don't smoke. Don't do any drugs.
It was the best blanket ever.
We're gonna be okay, bro

>>510598873
>We're gonna be okay, bro
aye, I think so too. I don't hate you or anything. don't know what's going to happen but I feel like it's going to be alright even if I don't believe much in the bible stuff.

>>510585719 (OP)
The 12 apostles of Christ. New testament. Study history around the event. Things that happened. Old Testament takes like a PHD to be able to understand. But it was also has fascinating things in it. And its better than any med evil shit out there. At least its entertaining. The mods are MASSIVE FAGGOTS who ban people this topic. MASSIVE PISSING THEIR PANTS FAGGOTS.

>>510598098

So, you're saying Jesus told his followers to blindly follow evil people "as a testimony against them". That's a self-own.

>>510598249

I looked it up. This isn't referring to Jesus. The narrative in Sanhedrin 43a doesn't match his narrative at all. Especially the part about his disciples.

1. As mentioned above with Ben Stada, the Synoptic Gospels have Jesus being executed on Passover itself and not the eve of Passover.

2. As above, Yeshu lived a century before Jesus.

3. Yeshu was executed by a Jewish court and not by the Romans. During Yeshu's time, the reign of Alexander Janneus, the Jewish courts had the power to execute but had to be careful because the courts were ruled by the Pharisees while the king was a Sadducee. It seems clear why the courts would not want to unnecessarily upset the monarch by executing a friend of his. During the Roman occupation of Jesus' time, there is no indication that the Jewish courts had the right to execute criminals.

4. There is no indication from the New Testament that Jesus had friends in the government.

I know it's untrue because even the most pathetic god would not permit me to exist in a world run by pedophiles, such a level of complete indifference to suffering means it is enabled by design, means it is permitted by design, means it is encouraged, by design.

>>510598829
Great job, you're kinda proving my point here. Throw in a little faith in a higher being and you'll be 100% there. Thanks for agreeing with me.

>>510598999
The existence of Christ is not dependent on anything you or I say
You can be a Thomas for now
>...I believe there is something beyond this rock, and this air, and this water around us. Something more that is waiting for us.
>You can rationalize if you’d like. I understand. The good Lord knows I’ve tried. Whether there is a God or not, his existence doesn’t depend on what you believe, or what I say.
>The light of the mind alone cannot dispel the whole world’s darkness. The choice is yours, of course. We all go through periods of darkness.
>For many of us, the road is a difficult one, but the path is always there for us to follow, no matter how many times we may fall.
The path of salvation is less dependent on religion and more on right action
Getting up every day and deciding to be a good man
Or not
Go with God anon
And Christ protect you

>>510599197
I'm not an atheist. if anything I'm more like an agnostic who believes it's bs to argue about the existence of god without properly defining the terms first. like we must agree we know what we're talking about before anything. my definition could be closer to the dao, or some kind of weird higher dynamic that's unfolding, but I don't think I believe in personal one. especially not the kind of bible kind. if that's exists it's just a subset of something else and not the highest.

>>510598393
>Mark 7 is Jesus telling people not to wash their hands and their utensils.

Lies. He didn't tell them not to wash their hands (though there's nothing wrong with washing your hands), He just said God did not command that and rebuked the hypocrites for their junk religion that contradicts God's commandments, the ones that are actually important:

“Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:5-9)

>Jesus was definitely wrong on this one. That's fucking disgusting.

No He wasn't:

“Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.” (Matthew 15:17-20)

We cannot uphold manmade tradition above God's commandments. That was His point and it's laid out perfectly clear in Mark 7:1-23.

>Then he goes on some SJW-tier rant about offerings to the Temple. Despite the fact that the Messiah is meant to make offerings to the Temple himself.

No idea where you're coming from here. Any verse I can look into?

>>510587716
t. dumb christcuck

Read Job and Ecclesiastes
Then go as long as you can without committing one mortal sin. Why can't you go that long?

>>510599695
Many Christians have exceeded you in both intelligence and education. Nearly every one has exceeded you in courage.

>>510585719 (OP)
Because the jews hate Christ.

>>510599139
>So, you're saying Jesus told his followers to blindly follow evil people "as a testimony against them". That's a self-own.

Never said blindly and never said follow.

“All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,” (Matthew 23:3-5)

And again, here's the reason for the "self-owning":

“¶ But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.” (Mark 13:9)

They that suffered in the pharisees' hands for Jesus' sake, will be awarded a greater recompense, just as the OT prophets:

“Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:” (Hebrews 11:35)

>>510598697

Judaism refers to the collective traditions of the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew. As a Jew, he can't predate his own religion.

I can't respond to an entire pamphlet in a single post. There's nothing in the Talmud that isn't perfectly in line with the Tanakh.

>>510599563

It's bullshit because handwashing is in the Old Testament. Jesus was clearly ignorant.

30 He placed the basin between the tent of meeting and the altar and put water in it for washing, 31 and Moses and Aaron and his sons used it to wash their hands and feet. 32 They washed whenever they entered the tent of meeting or approached the altar, as the Lord commanded Moses.

18 “You shall also make a basin of bronze, with its stand of bronze, for washing. You shall put it between the tent of meeting and the altar, and you shall put water in it, 19 with which Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet.

There's a whole book of the Talmud for this specific topic.

https://www.sefaria.org/Mishnah_Yadayim

Even the water Jesus turned into wine was used for the same kind of washing.

>6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.

As for the Messiah making an offering at the Temple, that's Ezekiel 45:22-25. I already showed you the verse. Here it is again.

22 On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. 23 Every day during the seven days of the festival he is to provide seven bulls and seven rams without defect as a burnt offering to the Lord, and a male goat for a sin offering. 24 He is to provide as a grain offering an ephah for each bull and an ephah for each ram, along with a hin of olive oil for each ephah.
25 “‘During the seven days of the festival, which begins in the seventh month on the fifteenth day, he is to make the same provision for sin offerings, burnt offerings, grain offerings and oil.

>>510600124
the laws are for the son of adam not the son of adam for the law

you cant understand the truth, you are not an israelite you arent a hebrew, you are a goy a mamzer, a mongrel, ereb

>>510599139
>>510600032
he was saying it practically the mongrel kikes were PUBLICLY promoting the strict letter of the law, he was saying practically do what they say because for now they are in the seat of authority and what they are commanding you is hard but not sinful while in private they were not following the law but the "traditions of the elders" an early form of the oral talmud


all THEREFOR whastoever they bid you observe

therefor because of what? because they were sat in the seat of moses its just practical advice for his sheep while he was doing what needed doing

>>510600124
>Judaism refers to the collective traditions of the Jewish people. Jesus was a Jew. As a Jew, he can't predate his own religion.
Didn't you claim that all statements, and in particular historical statements, are probabilistic? How is it that you now write in absolutes, you accursed and deceitful deicide? In any case, I maintain my previous post, which I here reiterate:
>Christianity predates Judaism. And modern Jews have little, if any, ancestral link to those Jews contemporary with Christ. Moreover, the term Jew is a religious, not a biological, category.

>>510600032

He was telling his followers to follow the teachings of the Pharisees because they have the right teachings (which would later form the Talmud) but not to imitate them because they don't practice what they preach. So what they taught wasn't a problem for him. He was a-okay with the teachings of the Talmud.

Mark 13 has nothing to do with this episode. That's him telling his followers to speak truth to power when they're arrested.

11 Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

>>510600124
>It's bullshit because handwashing is in the Old Testament. Jesus was clearly ignorant.

Lies again. The context was specifically washing your hands before eating, not ceremonial temple washings instituted by God Himself:

“And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.” (Mark 7:2)

>>510600482
>He was telling his followers to follow the teachings of the Pharisees because they have the right teachings (which would later form the Talmud)


the scribes and the pharisees are SAT IN THE SEAT OF MOSES all THEREFORE whatever they bid ye observe but seek ye not after their ways


i capitalized for emphasis jesus literally expresses why he told them this, because they are sat in the seat of moses the seat of biblical authority to preach the laws of moses and the prophets, but to seek ye not after their ways, this is almost CERTAINLY in reference to the traditions of the elders the proto oral talmud which is just pil pul for why they dont actually have to do as abraham did (because being mongrels they couldnt and still cant) jesus and his followers speak against these traditions in the rest of the verse and all over the new testament

Authority.

>>510600482
Kek.

“¶ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

>>510600482
continued...

Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:13-33)

>>510601193
absolutely based but i wish you would not use a memeflag whatever country you are from even if it were israel itself youd be a credit to it

>>510585719 (OP)
the same way you *know* that history books are true

>>510600469

You're free to define Judaism in some other way. That's the definition with the highest probability of being true. It's in the name.

>>510600621

Nigger you have no idea what you're talking about. We wash our hands in all sorts of circumstances. Here's a more mundane example.

11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

There are plenty of other examples. Imagine throwing a fit over basic fucking hygiene.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handwashing_in_Judaism

>>510601122
>>510601193

Same theme. He's calling them hypocrites, but he isn't saying their teachings are wrong.

He's going to out-Pharisee the Pharisees. He's going to be the greatest rabbi ever.

>>510585719 (OP)
Because of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

>>510585719 (OP)
christogenea.org

>>510601245
I prefer the memeflag since people assume I'm from Israel because of that, which allows me to more effectively engage in bible talk.

>>510601583
what

ok you do you baby boo. im outta here

>>510585719 (OP)
And be rid of The Devil Jews.

>>510585719 (OP)
The holy spirit

>>510601463
>Nigger you have no idea what you're talking about. We wash our hands in all sorts of circumstances. Here's a more mundane example. 11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.

Again, Jesus' disciples were not touching anybody with a discharge. If God thought that washing hands before eating was such a big deal, He would have said that plainly just as He does there.

>Same theme. He's calling them hypocrites, but he isn't saying their teachings are wrong.

That's not the only thing He calls them, but whatever...

“Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” (Mark 7:13)

“And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9)

That's their teachings contradicting the word of God, which doesn't get any more wrong than that.

Alright, nighty night Mr.Talmud and everybody else.

>>510586610
This, nothing is more beautiful than Catholic and Orthodox cathedrals, hymns, art, iconography, etc. Also once I actually sat down and read philosophy books, no other religion compares.

T. former edgelord athiest

>>510602315
night

>>510585719 (OP)
Because the synagogue of satan actually exists even 2000 years later.

An actual ordained rabbi owns and gleefully operates pornhub while the media glazes him for it. BY THEIR FRUITS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM, A BROOD OF VIPERS.

https://time.com/7017403/solomon-friedman-pornhub-ethical-interview/

>>510601463
>11 “‘Anyone the man with a discharge touches without rinsing his hands with water must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening.
The fuck are you a Muslim?

>>510585719 (OP)
it says in the bible that the bible is true, so it must be true because it says in the bible that the bible it's true.
>christians actually believe this

>>510585719 (OP)
At least one rapture has already occurred. This planet is, in fact, the place that some people from Earth (such as myself) were raptured to. We weren't "taken to Heaven." We were brought here instead. We're now on a real, physical, 3D planet that is definitely NOT Earth.

For one, the speed of time here is 50% faster than it is on Earth! In other words, a 10-second count—using the Earth counting pace—results in a whopping 15.00 seconds elapsing. And visually, when I look at a digital clock that has a seconds display, the seconds advance at a supernaturally fast rate. It truly looks insane (to me). For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same. Note: In addition to the time difference, the human anatomy here is also vastly different, but you can read more about that later, when you get to the main material.

Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Moreover, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is just an impostor planet, a physical replica designed to serve two purposes: (1) a containment realm for a particular bloodline (namely, the Edomites), and (2) a destination planet for select individuals (namely, the elect or "remnant of Israel") who were raptured from Earth prior to the start of the Tribulation.

Make sure to read my pinned X thread (all four posts). And regarding my X bio, I'm exactly who I say I am. Bozrah natives must break free from the spell they've been under.

Pinned X thread:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1742924942151438589
or
https://bozrah.info

This isn't BS. It's not a delusion. And I'm certainly not LARPing. This is it, folks. This really is it.

And I'm genuinely curious: How long will you keep pretending this is Earth? The time for pretending has long since passed.