Thread 510688341

What can we reasonably do to increase birth rates in the Western World? What are some actionable plans that we can put in place to increase birth rates?

Because Millennials/Gen Z are going to be the last major generation.

>>510688341 (OP)
eliminate no fault divorce, and require DNA tests on every child born

shame about the face

>>510688341 (OP)
Increase Indian immigration and remove all whites from North America. Simple as. Whites can't reproduce if you paid them to.

I lived in Quebec where you not only get paid to have kids, but the amount increases with every child. You could, in theory, turn having kids into a profession as a woman. Guess which province has the lowest birth rate and the highest percentage of white people? Quebec.

Whites are fucking useless. Lol

>>510688609
Face is the reason she has muscles. Pretty, femine girls don't lift.

You're gay

>>510688341 (OP)
It's already over. All you can do is horde wealth and property like boomers did. The only difference is they didn't have to. They just did it because they're assholes. And the damage caused by mass immigration (another side effect of boomers voting) has totally trashed any reasonable sense of homogeneity and trust in society. Our future was sold by a bunch of hippie flower child boomer faggots coming down off of a multi-decade lsd/cocaine/thc induced haze and the ones who survived ended up with the whole bag and a massive sense of entitlement like they won the game of life. And everybody else is beneath them. Soon they're going to be dead and their equally retarded (possibly insane) next of kin are going to squander generations of wealth. I've seen it. Especially if there's a boomer woman related to them. Idk what it is but when a man dies and leaves a house or a small fortune, there's ALWAYS a legion of female boomer family who feel entitled to fuck literally everyone else out of their inheritance. Idk I'm just ranting now but it's not good. Look after yourself. Lawyer up against this shit, because when the time comes you're going to have to fight off people you once called family for the scraps that are left for you. You have to be self sufficient/outcome independent by then.

>>510688410

First one is reasonable. Second one would cause a lot of divorces as the women will feel like they're not "trusted"

>>510688341 (OP)
bury gooner faggots alive

>>510690961
If you allow divorce outside of the rarest and most extreme circumstances, your society is going to collapse.

>>510688341 (OP)
>Because Millennials/Gen Z are going to be the last major generation.
The collapse of efficient competent high value populations will also collapse the systems allowing them to be abused and replaced by browns that can barely feed themselves when you force them past a medieval level of technology.

I was thinking about this the other day, and I have a theory I haven’t before. Basically, the primary reason couples choose to have children is not family values, culture, or simply costs of childrearing (though that in particular plays a role), but how much having children directly benefits the parents.

>>510688609
She's fine, she could use a better haircut and makeup.

by inserting our erect penises in asian honeys then cumming in their wombs. HARD.

>>510688341 (OP)
Birthrates is a lie here is the formula.
Population is x
bring in y population of male immigrants
add x and y populations together y population is near entirely male take total number of people use the population of Y as people are not breeding to replacement bring in more y population to replace y and the cycle continues.

>>510688341 (OP)
sauce?

>>510693245
In capitalism children (really all class-based societies) are by and large considered property of their guardians, usually their parents. This is discussed in more depth in The Origin of the State, the Family, and Private Property by Frederick Engles. Parents also economically provide for their children’s needs. This gives them near unlimited power to do whatever they wish with their children, including making them work. They can be made to work around the house, work in a family owned business, or even work outside the house in a business of another. This directly benefits the parents.

In the past there were many opportunities for children to be subjected to labor. Child labor laws were laxer. Many farmers were small owners who could freely force their children to work for them. When women normally stayed home they could supervise childrens’ housework.

Today there are far fewer of these opportunities in many countries. Children have to attend school for most of their waking hours, leaving little time to work on their parents’ behalf. Child labor laws are stricter. There’s fewer stay-at-home parents.

And while the benefits have decreased, costs have gone up. Many feel college is basically a requirement now. Everything’s expensive. Children are an investment just like any other, and right now the costs are outweighing the benefits. If you want birthrates to go up, then increase the age of majority, transition to a lower skill economy where children will not need so much education, lower the required years of schooling, and get rid of more child labor laws. That will increase the benefits for people considering becoming parents. It’s also why the birth rate isn’t a problem I care to solve.

>>510688341 (OP)
this is from lipo but if youre into this just be gay dudes are more muscular

>>510688341 (OP)
More crimes should carry a mandatory life in prison. Or 5 instances of any single crime = life in prison.

People aged 12-25 who are convicted 3 times must go to prison and cannot leave until they earn a bachelor's degree, pass a military fitness test, pass a U.S. citizenship test, learn about an accepted religion to a bachelor degree level, and learn a foreign language to a conversational level. If they never do it, then they never leave prison.

I'm not having kids because Americans are idiots and getting dumber. And they all need jobs, so it's guaranteed my child will have to share workplace and community with retards. Why would I do that to them? Having MORE people isn't good if they're stupid. Our goal should be BETTER people.

Do the exact opposite of pic related.

>>510688341 (OP)
YOU CAN RELEASE THE FUCKING EPSTEIN DOCUMENTS? HMMMM?

>>510689206
>Gay for not liking the masculine girl
What

>>510688341 (OP)
>increase muh birth rates
Why the fuck would you want to do that?
Dumbest idea ever.

>>510694729
They want more taxcattle obv

>>510689206
Its sad she had to do that but I get it she wasn't hot enough to get attention with her face but with her body she can get the down low guys

>>510688341 (OP)
Deurbanize.
Big shitties never had many children.

>>510694726
nvm I'm retarded

Also, a note on education:
The number of compulsory years of schooling in any country is a result of the compromise between the capitalists ruling the country, and the interests of their industries. For example, Facebook and orher tech giants want programmers and other highly skilled individuals so they advocate for many years of compulsory education. Some even advocate for free college. The Congolese mining firms that supply their cobalt on the other hand still use pickaxes and think elementary school is plenty. In America facebook dominates so they have many years of well-enforced compulsory education, while in the Congo they have only a few which the state often fails to enforce. Childrens’ wishes have nothing to do with it, though the working class as a whole prefers higher skilled work which is more valuable and thus gives them more money.

>>510688341 (OP)
Nothing. The modern world is done.

>>510688341 (OP)
>What are some actionable plans that we can put in place to increase birth rates?
End welfare programs
End gendered college grants/scholarships
End no fault divorce
End suffrage
End all diversity programs
Make child support totally optional

Your economy shifts for an uncomfortable couple of years, and then everything from single income to affordable housing, education, and marriage and child birth rates will soar and you will swear we are in a golden age. Men just have to not sell out en masses to save hoes.

>>510688410
>eliminate no fault divorce
Nah
>>510690961
>>510691106
Nah

You think this way, until you have a woman you no longer love and dlnt want to be with.

what do you think jannies, better clean this here shit up right quick!

>>510689022
who would have thought that people who aren't poor and actually just don't want to have kids can't be convinced to have kids by giving them money.

>>510694984
this is how it has to happen but nobody is going to vote for that, the genie is out of the bottle now.

>>510689022
>I lived in Quebec where you not only get paid to have kids, but the amount increases with every child. You could, in theory, turn having children into a profession as a woman.
How do the government payouts compare with the costs of having children, and how stable are they? Children have been considered property for millennia so as an investment they’re as stable as the economy’s low skill basis. Government programs face cuts all the time.
>>510694984
This won’t work as well as you think. The economy is still based on high skill industries which require children to remain in school for years and years, taking their potential labor away from their parents. A few will now be able to do housework, so there’ll still be some increase, but not much. It’ll probably be cheaper to hire maids.

>>510688341 (OP)
unfortunately would

>>510688341 (OP)
by giving me unlimited slant pussy to cum in

>>510694993
If you made an oath to god you better find a way to chin up, nigga

>>510689022
Unironically this. If the white race doesn’t want to make itself a part of the future, then that’s that. If Africans can figure it out in the backwater hellhole they live in, then whites shouldn’t need any help. And you can’t blame that on BBC if every man theoretically has a BBC in Africa. You’re just soft and full of excuses.

>>510694984
>Make child support totally optional
Found the absentee father. Parent your fucking children, you deadbeat.

>>510693331
She looks better without the makeup. otherwise she'll look às fake as a chingchong advertisement

>>510697101
In the “backwater” nations having lots of kids is actually more viable. Any 6 year old can be made to pick berries in a field. The idea of making one a senior programmer is absurd. Even a McDonalds cashier is asking a lot of them. The money goes to the parents.

Look at Ghana. 50% of the population is employed in assumedly low-skill agricultural fields. Youngest country on Earth IIRC. Now look at America. Only ~1%. They can’t work for their parents, so parents don’t have them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ghana?wprov=sfti1

>>510688341 (OP)
Make women property again. Feminism kills civilizations dead.

>>510688341 (OP)
Remove women from the workforce.

>>510690141
Boomer tears, yum!

>>510688341 (OP)
My wife had been trying to conceive.
Her job stress was likely what kept us from having a baby. 2 months after she quit, she was pregnant. We tried for 2 years before that. We went to fertility specialists and they said we were fine because everything is normal. Now we both think it was a psyop that they don't tell women that their stressful jobs will make it harder to conceive.

>>510690961
That's why you make it state-mandated. So instead of resenting her husband it's just standard practice.

>>510694984
production still

>>510698217
>>510698244
In the Victorian age women were starting to enter the workforce but were still considered property in many ways, yet large families were still the norm. How do you explain that?

>>510688341 (OP)
Imagine getting her pregnant and watching her tits/belly get bigger, yummy

>>510688341 (OP)
Peak fem build. Saucy.

>>510693597
Jade Miura. Can't seem to find spicy content of her. but with today's AI to goon things up...

>>510699028
look up NezukoBaby.xoxo

>>510694526
This is the same general school of thought as the ruling capitalist class in the “1st-world” nations, though the specifics are different. Why hire 5 10-year olds to dig cobalt by hand when just one grown man with industrial equipment can do the job of a hundred? Quantity versus quality.

All that stuff about a bachelors degree AND religion, AND this, etc is unnecessary for your ideology. The degree alone is probably enough to get them productive.

What are the prisoners doing while confined? Why not put them to low skill manual labor to have them be productive? If you’re going to serve capitalist ideology, do it the full way.

>>510688341 (OP)
Literally remove their right to vote.

oh look it's another "birth rates" thread posted by a fucking immigrant again. neat

>>510688341 (OP)
accessible housing from early 20s
significantly reduce meme degrees
stop anti natal/feminist propaganda and replace it with tradwaifu meme
reform divorce laws.

there, this should be enough, but it won't happen.

>>510688341 (OP)
>What can we reasonably do to increase birth rates in the Western World? What are some actionable plans that we can put in place to increase birth rates?
The point is people have no money and the other point is women have too many rights. Fix those points and you win. Don't and you lose. There is no other way. Your choice, really.

Arguing in this thread has been worthless. Everyone just repeats
>take away le women’s rights
I try to explain different ideas in detail and they’re completely ignored.

Taking away women’s rights isn’t gonna happen. Women are out earning men in certain areas. They’re proving too profitable and productive to be removed from the workforce. Currently, it’s been far more valuable to the bourgeoisie to put women to work instead of having them stay home. And with them in strong positions in the workforce, they have a stronger position to resist removal of their rights.

Even if you do take away women’s rights, it’s still not in the interests of men or women to have large families anymore. Children aren’t profitable: you can’t make them work for you, they’re stuck in school all day studying for the capitalist, not parent; and they’re more expensive than ever. Children are a net burden for the average person. When you take away birth control, people will mostly just kill them instead, as they already do before birth.

Perhaps the reason people are so resistant to this idea is that it denies having children as something done for inherently good reasons. It challenges the structure of society. While holding women as property might seem shocking to the average liberal it’s been standard practice for millennia. But even many radicals do not understand and are frightened by the idea that children are still property, and that they logically should try to stop this.

>>510704218
The problem is it's completely unsustainable. If women aren't having children then this system of girlbosses won't last for more than a couple generations. Thus we will need MORE immigration, but that just kicks the can down the road until there is no road.

>>510688341 (OP)
Expel Jews, remove women from the workplace, deport all.non-whites.

Solves 99% of the problems.

>>510688341 (OP)
Kill all niggers. People will feel much safer and more "at home" without all the niggers around. That alone will change everything, they'll be more invested in the society, work more, spend more, hopeful for the future, and will make more kids without you even asking them to.
People will NEVER admit it, but a nigger free society is their dream.