A revolution can only occur when a social group has the means to replace the former leading group, like what happened during the French revolution when the bourgeoisie toppled the nobility. But when all the institutions are corrupt to the core, what's the solution to correct the course of society? Is there still a way to do it peacefully or is collapse inevitable?

Bump

>>510702029 (OP)
>Is there still a way to do it peacefully or is collapse inevitable?
We're in the collapse.
The elites revolted.
They are no longer beholden to laws or rules or traditions. They rule as they please, by fiat, by whim, by tribal loyalty. Your fate is to be bundled by drug criminals into a recruitment van because your masters had a sudden coke urge to attack Russia.

>>510702029 (OP)
>Is there still a way to do it

debt-based central banks are going to become a thing of the past
currency issued in the form of debt, as we have today, is doomed to fail (as it is now)
once a currency is used as an investment, it is no longer useful as a currency
the treasury market globally will become meaningless
nations will begin to use their own debt-free sovereign currencies issued by their treasuries
the Fed will eventually be dissolved
the US Treasury will issue debt-free US Notes again

Currency backed by labor (productivity and services) makes a nation strong
Currency backed by debt makes a nation slaves

pic related: the devolving world, in one image

>>510702029 (OP)
It is not too late, anon, but it is too early. Unfortunately things must get much worse before people will revolt.

>>510703032
>They rule as they please, by fiat
they want to rule by A PERMISSIONED DIGITAL CURRENCY, not fiat
fiat currencies serve the citizen

'fiat' isn't the problem
WHO IS ISSUING the 'fiat' IS THE PROBLEM and that the Fed's private fiat IS INTEREST-BEARING is the fucking problem

FIAT, CREDIT-BASED INTEREST-FREE US NOTES ISSUED BY THE US TREASURY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE AND ARE INTENDED TO BE AN INTEREST-FREE TOOL TO FACILITATE COMMERCE

FIAT, DEBT-BASED, USURIOUS, INTEREST-BEARING FEDERAL RESERVE NOTES ARE FUCKING BORROWED FROM THE PRIVATELY-INCORPORATED NY FEDERAL RESERVE FRANCHISE AND ONLY ENRICH THE NYFED’S PRIMARY DEALERS AND THEIR CRONY/POLITICAL ILK AND ENSLAVE THE POPULATION IN BOND DEBT

Fiat is given value BY A NATION'S CITIZENS.
If the nation's treasury is the one issuing it, fiat is not a problem.

>>510703239
>If the nation's treasury is the one issuing it, fiat is not a problem.
If a dirty, failed, sleazy, bankrupt private bank is issuing the fiat it is a fucking problem
pic related the federal reserve, a fucking corporate plague of failure and corruption

>>510703395
<<<--this is what is in store for Europe

>>510702029 (OP)
Yes but you need to come at it subvertly like a sith lord. You convince the mainstream established powers that you're on their side them when they lest expect it fuck them in the ass, basically triple backstab cunts.
Trumps for example should have teamed up with the CIA and used them to purge other deep state actors then when they least expect it stab the CIA in the back with the NSA or something like that.
All in all you'd only have to purge a couple of 1000 people in the upper buecracy along with a few 1000 journalists.

>>510702029 (OP)
>A revolution can only occur when a social group has the means to replace the former leading group, like what happened during the French revolution when the bourgeoisie toppled the nobility.
The French Revolution did the groundwork for the turbo-degeneracy you want people to have a revolution against. Show me one revolution in modern history that wasn't just kikes upgrading their standing.

the people already have the power to stop any tyranny by SIMPLY USING CASH AND LEAVING YOUR PHONE AT HOME sometimes
these two simple things destroy these type of surveillance plans
you already have the fucking power
it is YOU that chooses to continue using the grid to your own detriment
you already have the power right now
you have agency still
they just need your consent to implement it wholly, then having agency won't even matter

>>510702029 (OP)
demons rule the world.
they will murder you or try to subvert and turn you, if they can't do that they'll lock you up or find a way to keep you from doing anything that would get in their way.
you can't reform the system, all you can do is preach the word of God, and let every individual find the escape on their own, through Jesus Christ.

>Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
>Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
>And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

>>510703533
>has the means to replace the former
US Notes are already fucking legal, no revolution needed in the US

>>510703667
>>has the means to replace the former
once the Fed goes (and it will) all other debt-based central banks will also collapse as they all run on the US debt ponzi that is the Federal Reserve

>>510702029 (OP)
>hey guys, let's stop stuffing our pockets with what will be worthless paper. The security team you pay with the right now worthful paper probably won't bow and scrape if society collapses. Is it really worth a thousand years of darkness just to bang kids?
You get that general idea through to uberboomers then you'll save society.

>>510702029 (OP)
A revolution can occur anytime, it doesn't need to wait until they've organized a replacement, the french proved that. As for solutions, we already have them, and have had them for thousands of years. When an institution/society is corrupt, you don't bother reforming it, you create a new one. Parallel societies, parallel money, parallel institutions that replace the old ones. This is an ongoing process since the beginning. Reform can extend the life of an institution and correct problems but fundamental issues are impossible to fix, you gotta create solutions outside the system. A violent revolution isn't necessary most of the time, just train children to not be brainwashed by obviously corrupt ideas.

The fact that reserve currencies change every 80-100 years is proof of this. Crypto is the next evolution, whether bitcoin, gold-backed coins or something else that hasn't been created yet. The backbone of the future financial system is not central bank fiat, it's instant transfers backed by cryptography and a network/networks built on stakeholders with a vested interest in honest money. The price of a bitcoin doesn't even matter at this point, it's the value of the networks built around the coins that's valuable. Just like how youtube is valuable because of the network of creators and viewers and facebook gains value for each person using the social network.

Remember that societies go on but people die, and their ideas/memories go with them. New generations take the lead and have no interest in propping up systems they see as worthless.

>>510704245
>Parallel societies, parallel money, parallel institutions that replace the old ones.
this is occurring now

>Crypto is the next evolution,
NFTs and smart contracts are the only two legit use cases for crypto as a form of currency
this is it

Remember, ANY strong, NATIONAL currency HAS MANY FORMS, never just one (fiat paper, metal bars and coins, digital, check, money order, smart contracts, NFTs…)

If one wants real change and a strong national currency, there must be multiple forms of a currency, NEVER just one 'savior' form.

US Gold Notes and US Silver Notes are metals-backed, NON-fiat notes issued by the US Treasury
US Notes are interest-free, fiat notes issued by the US Treasury
Federal Reserve Notes are debt-based, fiat notes issued by the private, incorporated Federal Reserve
They are ALL DENOMINATED IN US DOLLARS (aka $US), which is a fucking UNIT.

THE US DOLLAR WILL BE AROUND LONG FUCKING AFTER THE BANKRUPT FED IS GONE

also:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505237484/
^^^ A recent thread about the NYFed and its ilk now trying to convince the boomers to switch from private Federal Reserve-issued, debt-based Federal Reserve Notes to privately-issued, debt-backed stablecoin tokens. This is going to be priceless to watch. Neither of these currency options benefit the citizens, they only benefit the private issuer. Will boomers sell out once again to the banks to save themselves from a failing system that they created? One last fuck you to the country as they insulate themselves in their private tokens?
And in the next orchestrated crisis, are the boomers’ new asset tokens to become worthless, as the payment platform is the ultimate claimant to any reserve assets in a crisis or bankruptcy?

When is the currency going to be restored to the people? Don't US taxpayers have a right to a debt-free currency issued by their own treasury?

pic related passed yesterday and gutted digital assets of any decentralization, made illegal to create digital assets that they don't approve of and gives a whole slew of government agencies three years to create rules at whim

had a thread last night detailing some of the bill >>>510667083

>>510702029 (OP)
Any significant change is probably going to require a lot of people getting out of their comfort zone

>>510703239
>fiat currencies serve the citizen
Dumbest thing I've read in a while.
Fiat currencies serve the banks and the elites. The banks can lend money into existence and then charge interest on money that they never even had.
The elites get to benefit from the rampant inflation as the wages of the citizen is constantly suppressed by the rampant money printing.
Crypto currencies are going to be even worse.
Gold backed currencies are the only currency that actually benefits those who work for a living.

>>510703585
I don't even have a phone, and I use exclusively cash, unless you count prepaid cards for online purchases. Get on my level niggers.

>>510703239
He meant by decree ie fiat ie arbitrarily
You're a moron despite your correct understanding of fiat currency
>>510703473
Trump is part of the problem and kiked up the ass
>>510703633
Stfu with your impotent christcuck quietism
>>510704245
>the french proved that.
Imbecile

>>510702029 (OP)
maybe if you have a time machine, but we crossed the "too late" point a while ago

>>510702029 (OP)
>when the nobility toppled the nobility.
FTFY

>>510703473
I don't think it's possible when everyone is grabbing everyone else by the balls. See Epstein list.

>>510703865
Ok but what happens next? I feel like the elite actually want this to happen so they can trigger the great rest or some globohomo shit of this kind. The question is, are the means of control of the population like the banking system and internet are going to survive a societal collapse? Internet works pretty well in Africa, so it's probably not that hard to maintain, even with limited funds and capabilities.

>>510704245
>it doesn't need to wait until they've organized a replacement, the french proved that
This is arguably false. If you believe that some peasants managed to do all this by themselves you're delusional. They only succeeded thanks to an elite (the bourgeoisie) that had the will and the means to replace the monarchy. Same process in the US btw.

>>510703239
permissioned digital currency is just communism with a fake currency to try and hide that fact
>programmable currency
>you can only spend it where they want
>only on the stuff they want
>only within the time frame they want
>which really just means you are being assigned your allotted goods with zero decisions to be made on your side

>>510705175
Semantics. What's important is that a social group replaced the former leading group when it lost enough legitimacy and became degenerate enough.

>>510705030
>Fiat currencies serve the banks
when FIAT IS BORROWED FROM THE BROKE FEDERAL RESERVE, it does serve the banks, you are right

but when fiat is issued debt-free by a nation's treasury, it serves the citizens

we can have metals, too
i am all for backing US Notes with metals
or having US Gold Certificates
or US Silver certificates

fiat represents the value the CITIZENS give their own currency

Credit-based fiat, interest-free US Notes issued by the US treasury to use for daily commerce are VERY DIFFERENT from debt-based, borrowed, private, interest-bearing Federal Reserve Notes issued by the bloodsucking NYFed, which are then also used to primarily reinvest back into the NYFed’s securities casino.

‘Investing’ is just people further bankrupting the US by putting the NYFed’s private Federal Reserve Notes back into their debt-based system via the treasury market.

the legislative volley between boomers and billionaires that leaves everyone out:
NYFed owners say they need more taxes from social security/medicare payments to pay them interest
boomers say big bank fleecing of the country is fine as long as they're getting social security
and they both continue to make laws to protect their positions, so now, effectively all wealth is going to the old and dying
lol

A NATION'S FIAT IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HANDS

>>510705030
1/ You're illiterate. Anon clearly stated that he favoured interest free fiat
2/ Who the fuck do you think owns the gold? Gold is just as arbitrary and also not of sufficient quantity to deal with current global trade.

>>510705279
>A NATION'S FIAT IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HANDS
and this is why the Fed seeks to even abolish paper Federal Reserve Notes, b/c fiat paper mostly SERVES THE FUCKING CITIZEN:

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

Real paper cash:
>is permissionless
>is private
>is anonymous
>has no transaction fees
>works in power outages
>doesn’t need the internet
>don't need to be a coder to use it
>doesn't depend on another party having a device
>everyone knows exactly how much they have
>has no transaction limits or thresholds for reporting
>money laundering is harder with physical cash, due to transport
>is inclusive, it does not see race
>is harder to use in ransoms
>can’t be hacked
>don’t need to remember a password to use it
>IS the ultimate in payment platforms
>using cash helps people to save money and budget
>puts the power directly in the hands of the people
>keeps the currency near the REAL goods and services
>less paperwork
>is face to face, not face to screen
>makes government theft harder
>using cash forces the debt-based Federal Reserve to serve the citizens

Boycott businesses that do not take cash.
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY.
Barter is the real torpedo to these fucking clowns.

>>510704847
>When is the currency going to be restored to the people? Don't US taxpayers have a right to a debt-free currency issued by their own treasury?
Only when the system collapses since it depends on fake currency to survive. As a sidenote, I personally don't believe that BTC is the solution, it has probably been created by the DARPA (just like the internet), not some based genius anarchists. It's just another tool of domination.

>>510705353
>2/ Who the fuck do you think owns the gold? Gold is just as arbitrary and also not of sufficient quantity to deal with current global trade.
and this too
picrel
but metals are still important, but gold only plays a role, like all other forms

it is when tptb start suggesting a SOLE FORM of money that is a red flag (pic rel)

any strong national currency has MANY FORMS

There is not a country on Earth that practices free market capitalism. The debt-based Federal Reserve is a con, plain and simple. God only knows what true capitalism, real price discovery and sovereign nations trading with each other in a free market would be like. Imagine sovereign nations issuing their own currencies. God only knows where we would be today, had the Federal Reserve and the IRS (both created in 1913, btw) never been created. No orchestrated booms and busts, no crony State Capitalism, no corporate tax subsidies, no failing IPOs, no QE, no counterfeiting Central Banks, no metal market rigging, no derivatives, no endless war financing. Only states were supposed to impose an income tax. We are so far from free market capitalism, it is staggering. This is the Federal Reserve Uniparty

>>510705239
it really is such a fucking joke
pic rel
>BTC is not a claim to any real resources
kek

and lol

>>510705481
>Only when the system collapses since it depends on fake currency to survive
no this is wrong

Money does not make food.
Labor, Seeds, Land, Air, Sun, and Water make food— we have ALL of these things WITHOUT fucking money. If you remove JUST ONE of these items, YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUCKING FOOD.
MONEY DOES NOTHING BUT ACT AS A QUANTIFIER FOR FUCKING TRADE.
We cannot have unearned income AT THE EXPENSE OF earned income. Finance must be the servant of production, not its master.

this is what everyone is missing

Money is often falsely equated with productivity, intelligence, class, success, integrity, and/or good taste.
If you equate success with money, you will likely be perpetually dissatisfied, in a constant state of longing.

But if you VALUE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE BOUGHT, such as:
community
family
work ethic
intellect
fitness
perseverance
cleanliness
honesty
integrity
compassion
tradition
loyalty
reliability
patience
humor
If you value the above, you will always be content and successful, no matter where you are or what you do.
Judge yourself by deed, not possession.

>>510705718
We're getting closer to the end of the permanent deficit. Which is why I created this thread. Is there a way to smoothly transition to another system or does it have to be violent? Is someone going to replace the current rulers (not asking about the politicians themselves of course) or are they going to stay in place for a long time no matter what?

>>510705879
>Finance must be the servant of production, not its master.
Of course, but they've been actively destroying our industry, our agriculture and our institutions for decades. We're going to restart from a very low point when the system collapses. Most urbanites don't produce anything of value, the countryside is full of boomers, and everyone is becoming incompetent thanks to the failing education system and mass migration. What is the solution to these problems? I only see strong authoritarianism.

>>510705947
>Is there a way to smoothly transition
yes, to have all national treasuries issue their own SOVEREIGN debt free national currencies and recycle all debt based issues out of circulation over time

some pertinent pasta:
A reminder, Federal Reserve Notes are what are being issued to worthless oblivion and
>the US dollar is a fucking UNIT

We need to AGAIN issue debt-free, Treasury-issued US Notes like we did before (and during) the bloodsucking, obsolete Federal Reserve. We need to AGAIN issue debt-free US Notes that are pegged to a basket of commonly-used weighted commodities, distributed by a series of state banks.

We can:
1 nationalize Fed banks
OR
2 dissolve Fed and have a series of state banks
OR
3 issue US Notes simultaneously AGAIN and eventually recycle worthless Federal Reserve Notes out of circulation
OR
4 YOU CAN RIGHT NOW: use cash/barter/stack/use credit unions/use cold wallets, these five things IMMEDIATELY transfer power directly to the people

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

the Federal Reserve is going to go out with a whimper, not a bang.
the US is wealthy IN SPITE OF the Fed, not because of the Fed, lol the US economy is going to bulldoze right the fuck over the Fed, as it is now

>>510706163
first world and third world are BOTH going to become second world
i call this the great evening
this is inevitable and an effect of being a reserve currency for the US

>>510706175
>yes, to have all national treasuries issue their own SOVEREIGN debt free national currencies and recycle all debt based issues out of circulation over time
Not going to happen under our current rulers and you know it. So the rest of the post is irrelevant. The BRICS may try to do it by creating a gold backed currency but I'll believe it when I see it.

A relevant, recent thread:
<<<<——-https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/504503488/
The now-bankrupt Federal Reserve is building a $2.5 B complex in Washington DC and funding it with borrowed US taxpayer money. The Fed is fucking broke and putting Italian beehives in its extravagant rooftop gardens and building private elevators to VIP dining rooms, yet bloviating about the importance of citizens being able to communicate in a republic. lol

To add to the elitism and absurdity, Elon Musk, with his toothless, empty threats on his way out the door of DOGE, glibly stated, “someone should look into the Fed.”
Really? Is that it? What an absolute fucking joke.

It is fucking amazing that Trump’s economic advisor (Miran) wants to now indebt the US with 100 year TOKENIZED bonds, so we can be skimmed for another fucking century by these insolvent frauds.

https://nypost.com/2025/04/27/business/federal-reserve-blows-2-5b-on-palace-of-versailles-hq/
https://archive.is/fpJ4J

This project DWARFED all other government building projects ever. And the real kicker is the broke-ass Fed is BORROWING this money from taxpayers for the project.

And note: Powell just got caught lying to Congress about this.

>>510706308
>Not going to happen under our current rulers and you know it
it is the inevitable and only solution

>>510706308
>The BRICS may try to do it by creating a gold backed currency but I'll believe it when I see it.

And don't forget BRICS Pay works with SWIFT, too

A BRICS SINGLE currency also benefits the NYFed, who has been destroying America from within for decades:
A BRICS currency:
1) would abolish the local currencies of ~30 nations that the NYFed can’t really get its hooks in now
2) while also fooling those ~30 nations into thinking they have now gained an advantage over the US
and
3) A BRICS currency rejects the Federal Reserve Note while falsely conflating it with the US Dollar, destroying the US Dollar on the global stage, subverting the US' stability.

The only way a BRICS system succeeds is if its member countries KEEP THEIR LOCAL CURRENCIES.

Once the NYFed's global "issue currency for bond debt" scheme begins to falter globally, next the US itself will then turn on the Fed, as most people will start to question the interest on this debt and start to question WHY THE US HAS TO BORROW ITS OWN FUCKING CURRENCY.

The NYFed’s primary dealers and their ilk want to tokenize all asset classes so they remain in a top, untouchable tier of shareholders that takes no risk and always gets paid.
pic related: JPMC is JPM, the largest owner of the NYFed private franchise
The NYFed-ilk BlackRock and Citadel have just opened a new exchange in Texas, where there are no capital gains on metals.
So, they are likely looking to have some con that involves switching from one asset class token to another (from treasuries tokens to MBS tokens to metals tokens) via blockchain asset tokens, then leaving with their gold assets with no capital gains.
These asset tokens would also allow fractional ownership, so they can fleece even the poorest investor.

Central banks are now acquiring gold to back their own currencies, NOT to convert from gold to digital, but to give them a seat at the NYFed/BIS/IMF TOKENIZED ASSET table
the global pie is getting bigger for these classists, as they sell each of their own nation's future

>>510702029 (OP)
Nah, because incredibly unpleasant ideals, like female liberation, trannyism, diversity, fiat currency etc. have been normalized. You cannot direct or course correct those. They're just wrong ideals. As always in history when this happens a 10-25% of the population does fine because they have enough resources to bend the rules for themselves. It doesn't matter as much that women are liberated if you have the cash and connections to marry a hot young model who then acts obedient since she doesn't want to lose her piggybank, for instance. They still find out they're nothing without cash eventually, but that just makes them doing to what they got even more, not change society.
For the average Joe meanwhile it's much more obvious how shit everything is. So it's up to him to say fuck this and fight against the ones with cash and assets, whole blowing up what's really going on too. A harsh reality, but our only way out. Start burning the instruments of shit society. Family planning centers. Banks. HQs for garbage like TikTok, only fans etc. Political buildings and politicians homes. Immigration centers etc. Selective arson can go a long way. You can also beat women who dress as whores or who try to give you any criticism in public, so they learn their place. No more leggings etc.

>>510706521
>pic related: JPMC is JPM, the largest owner of the NYFed private franchise
PICREL to go with this text

pic related is discussing corporate law 'safe harbor' in which financial institutions never take a hit in bankruptcy or default

>>510706590
>money does not make the man
the post

>>510706370
In my understanding, our current leaders believe that they can keep their power by triggering the great reset, which is actually disguised communism. As a matter of fact, all western countries are becoming more and more authoritarian, and the corporations are helping them, so they already started the transition.

>>510706590
>For the average Joe meanwhile it's much more obvious how shit everything is. So it's up to him to say fuck this and fight against the ones with cash and assets, whole blowing up what's really going on too. A harsh reality, but our only way out. Start burning the instruments of shit society. Family planning centers. Banks. HQs for garbage like TikTok, only fans etc. Political buildings and politicians homes. Immigration centers etc. Selective arson can go a long way. You can also beat women who dress as whores or who try to give you any criticism in public, so they learn their place. No more leggings etc.
>i'm a federal agent
the post

>>510705977
I don't get this pic. If there's a lot of men like him, isn't it objectively true? Plus I have a job and a girlfriend, but we both gotta work to save anything and our town is full of Muslims out of nowhere. We're not gonna raise kids here. Didn't society collapse for us?

>>510706590
Ironically, islamism is another form of globalism and may lead to a return to traditionalism by reaction.

>>510706772
>triggering the great reset
this is long gone and they are well aware that any collapse will only hasten their dissolution
when they fail again (and they will), necessity will force them out the rest of the way
they know this
they also know they only have the boomers duped and the boomers are the last generation with income to fleece, so they know the clock is ticking, which makes it so they can't just sit idly, they must move

it's happening

>>510706967
lol BTC is the central banks

>>510702029 (OP)
>need to replace the leaders
Sure, however Luigi is a less severe means to reform the system.

>>510702029 (OP)
Once EpsteinGate is dragged into the light, we'll have the blackmailed politicians hanging in congress. A reminder that they work for the people and not Mossad.

>>510707098
Gold is not the future. Only absolute retards think so.
All we need is to mine a single gold asteroid and everyone will have toilets made of solid gold in a jiffy.
Shits dated, we will soon not be limited by planetary scarcity and gold value will collapse unless artificially kept high

>>510706947
Which is why they'll have to resort to old methods like a full authoritarian system, which is when they'll finally lose their remaining legitimacy. That's when the real game starts.

>>510707283
read the fucking thread

>>510707327
>the real game starts.
>lazy skimmers dread real price discovery
pic related is 1791, Jefferson saying why we shouldn't have a debt-based central bank

>>510707339
I did. Bitcoin > gold
Gold is worthless. Bit coin isnt.

>>510707283
lil zoomer, we are nowhere near mining asteroids.
satoshi wallets will wake up with 1 million btc market dumped before that.

>>510707440
BTC provides four functions for the Fed (and other debt-based central banks like the ECB:
1 the destruction of private, non-stablecoin crypto use as a currency
2 a potential global financial crisis
3 BTC market price arbitrage to give one last fleecing to boomers fleeing the Federal Reserve Note
4 normalization and adoption of tokenization to force everyone into using the Fed’s new debt-backed stable coin tokens

>>510707440
neither is worthless and neither is a sole currency
the fact that you speak in ultimums shows your lack of knowledge on the subject

>>510707589
>the destruction of private, non-stablecoin crypto use as a currency
took care of this yesterday with the genius act

>>510702029 (OP)
I think it's basically up to a few billionaires (or trillionaires) to somehow create jurisdictions that are outside the reach of the US government and the global financial system, and then invite people to join these jurisdictions.... something like that. It will be a gradual devolution of power, not a revolutionary overthrow of the current system.

>>510707589
Jewish banks get so asshurt at anything that I'm forced to pay with bitcoin a non-arbitrary degree of the time

>>510706726
Not sure what you mean. But in case you didn't notice the average zoomer doesn't even want to engage with society. It's disgusting to him on an instinctive level. I have 2 male nephews and 2 female ones from multiple sisters. One quit high school because between feminist teachers and immigrants it was a clown show. All boomers in the family laid it thick on him because in their brains resources = happiness. But they're all miserable themselves. Failed marriages, failed businesses by ridiculous taxes (two years of taxes at once, with one in advance, plus an extra delayed starting tax? Ridiculous.), suicided sons who couldn't take pressure or fell to drugs/alcohol. My nieces are both whores. One is a fat whore who dates niggers, the other is a goldigger feminist who hates her mother for divorcing her dad. Etc. No is fucking happy or has a functional family. The kicker is we are upper middle class, but the resources are disappearing and only boomers hold tight to them. I am better than the average member but I quit academia and NEETed 3 years before starting an online business. Again, I wanted to explore science and discover things. Not lick the asshole of bastards milking the system forever and spam garbage. Everyone else in academia was just desperate to milk the system. Original thought was discouraged since who's gonna pay for the experiment anyway?

So where is the world that's worth living in? People with resources are automatically convinced it works even if wars start and their cities are filled with niggers. Just think of it. If you have assets you already won. When boomers die and I inherit I already know I'll feel that way. Hell I already do somewhat by knowing I will inherit 2 fucking houses when my dad passes away. I have options then. But right know? I was too disgusted with the bullshit in society to care to do anything until I turned to my hobby as a job opportunity. Even then I'm quitting this 1st world shithole soon.

>>510707589
>BTC market price arbitrage to give one last fleecing to boomers fleeing the Federal Reserve Note
kek tptb pushing this now

>>510707804

>>510707804
>average zoomer doesn't even want to engage with society.
that is all they do
just b/c it is on a phone/internet, doesn't make it any less social, it just makes it less personal

The following is what zoomers are:

the current tech trend is for citizens to not hold or own information or organize it or remember it
they also do not store it on their own computers, but in a foreign cloud that tracks all changes in real time
they only have instantaneous ACCESS to information
people are not being conditioned to retain info or organize it for themselves

tptb are now waiting for anyone with a high amount of intellect and knowledge to die off, then they will just be left with the malleable, dumbed-down 'instantaneous access' population that can't put two and two together

>>510706794
>Don't do anything goyim, aren't you afraid of feds?
You're such a pussy. If you get 200-300 people doing it the feds will be powerless. Don't you see there is arson every year and only 10% of people are ever caught? Asymmetric insurgency cannot be defeated. You burn shit down until the laws change. Anywhere, at any time

>>510707589
>force everyone into using the Fed’s new debt-backed stable coins

Trump, Musk, Visa, & the NYFed's largest primary dealers are working toward a tokenized-asset platform out of the new Texas stock exchange. Trump & Musk have been quietly working with some of the NYFed’s primary dealers & other fintech players to cement a new global, digital platform with DIGITAL WALLETS (which inherently require a DIGITAL ID) after the big banks & the SEC, etc just spent four years calling crypto a scam & killing off any undesired blockchain competition.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/499902179
^^^^ITT^^^, I outline how this asset-tokenization scheme is designed & its intended consolidation of Federal Reserve Uniparty power behind the scenes out of public view, as Musk & Trump claim the elimination of corruption & fraud, while eliminating any blockchain competition & simultaneously trying to establish a new need for their digital wallets & digital IDs.

As Trump and Musk superficially criticize the poor accounting, waste & fraud in the US government, they conveniently omit that JPM is the account validator for these fraudulent US government contracts/accounts & they ALSO never admit that the BANKRUPT, private 12 Federal Reserve franchises are the US government’s fiscal agents, cutting the 'untraceable' fraudulent checks.

Instead of identifying & rooting out the real financial entities facilitating this waste and fraud, Musk and Trump actively blame the ballooning debt and deficit spending on everything BUT Fed ‘accommodation’ and QE, while they simultaneously aid the 2008 banking failures in their current looting of our US Treasury via IORB and RRP, their further acquisition of tangible assets and their destruction of the value of our labor and national currency.

pic rel
Musk and his MOTHER privately met with Dimon and 200 of JPM's largest investors in Miami on Thurs Feb 6th, days before he began his 'audits' of the US Treasury and USAID revelations.

>>510708221
/pol/ is a board of peace and intellect
it primarily serves the citizens
why would you try to get it shut down?

i guarantee 90% of shills on here are agent provocateurs
who else would hate free speech that benefits the citizens?

>>510706967
It's not currency, it's a commodity. Digital gold. Gold also isn't currency. Bitcoin-backed currency was jump-started too fast. You still need to collapse the system, but a goods-based currency will still shit on Bitcoin. This is just a transparent way to raise Bitcoin prices for the scum who want to get rich by sitting in their basements. The system won't collapse on its own though.

>>510706338
>And note: Powell just got caught lying to Congress about this.
<<<----lol :)

>>510702029 (OP)
Its to late but you should still reform it to stack it in our favor when the happening happens.

>>510702897
god british women are fucking hideous. how do pajeets coom to that shit? i guess it's better than a lizard or rotting dog corpse but not by much

>>510702029 (OP)
You must have forgotten about these guys

>>510708894
can you name one person in that image?

>>510708993
Looks like it's entirely AI generated so no lol, there aren't any people in that image. You get my point though. It's pretty obvious what group will take power after the revolution.

>>510708088
Well yeah, at 12 I would go biking and playing. The zoomer nephews were not allowed because niggers are around now. No wonder they browse TikTok. That need to socialize somehow.

only unused crypto isn't taxed now
everytime you move crypto you must report what it was worth, etc

>>510703239
>If the nation's treasury is the one issuing it, fiat is not a problem.
Thank you for your opinion, federal reserve chairman.

>>510709790
chin up italian anon, go hug your family, do not let them rob you of your life
your time is the most important
pic rel is another anon

>>510710070
your pic reminds me of this:

elite (n) - the best of a category, the finest, etc. (i.e. this could also apply to turnips)
elitist (n) - one who thinks they are better than others
There is a difference between the two.
Calling the worst of what humanity has to offer the "elite" is wholly untrue.
Elitist, yes. Elite, no.

EVERYTIME YOU USE CASH, IT FORCES THE CENTRAL BANK TO SERVE THE CITIZENS
pic related kupiec paper 2024

>>510702029 (OP)
Anon 1960 was too late even in the most extreme optimistic scenario. Since then you should have been looking foreword to the collapse because nothing's getting "better" till then.

Trump and his economic advisor, Miran, are trying to circumvent #2 in pic rel with forwards (futures for treasuries).
They are trying to make it so the US can sell its gold without paying down the debt.

Miran and Trump want for the major debt holders to swap their short term bills and notes for 100-year bonds, they want to indebt Americans for the next century to the Fed (ultimately via tokenization of these treasuries (aka securities))

Why are French people allowed to create threads? They don't know shit and always argue endlessly because they are dumb.

>>510710560
>Miran and Trump want for the major debt holders to swap their short term bills and notes for 100-year bonds, they want to indebt Americans for the next century to the Fed (ultimately via tokenization of these treasuries (aka securities))
this will be my part 4 of 4 thread, which i am still working on

Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 1 of 4
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/489468608
This thread summarizes the first of a series of four recent separate economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises.

In this first paper, Kupiec and Pollock show that the Federal Reserve franchises are insolvent if GAAP accounting is used, which the Fed does not use. The Fed is now balancing their books with an imaginary, 'magic' accounting column called 'Deferred Assets' to perpetuate their bankrupting of the US Treasury and the American taxpayer and to hide their losses and now uncollateralized Federal Reserve Notes. These are operating losses, which don't even include the capital losses from marking-to market their now-worthless securities either, further skewing the real price of credit and hampering the Fed's ability to respond to shocks to the economy, as their balance sheet is full and there is no room to move.

The Fed franchises have only become more insolvent since the paper was released, their losses doubling since Jan 2024 to the tune of ~$235 Billion as of this week.
This thread summarizes how the Fed is insolvent, operating illegally, opening itself up for lawsuits and destroying the American economy when it could just roll off its balance sheet and take cash losses like that. Instead, the Fed franchises choose to take cash losses by still paying their owners dividends and paying out interest to NYFed primary dealers via IORB and to MMFs in Reverse Repo transactions.

’Federal Reserve Losses and Monetary Policy’ Jan 2024
Paul H. Kupiec, Senior Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Alex J. Pollock, Senior Fellow, Mises Institute
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4712022

>>510710781
Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 2 of 4
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/491506260/
This thread summarizes the second of a series of four recent separate economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises (aka ‘Fed bank/s’ ITT). This paper uses Ordinary Least Squares (OLS) linear regression analysis to examine how shocks from three variables: federal debt, the Federal Reserve assets and/or real GDP affect CPI (chosen to represent prices and inflation).

Mr. Webster’s paper describes how quickly prices respond to shocks in the above three variables and how quickly a new (often higher) price equilibrium is found and how the rest of the system converges to support this new price equilibrium. This paper seeks to measure how quickly the now-insolvent Fed banks enable or ‘accommodate’ the deficit-ridden US government by purchasing securities and how this accommodation then contributes to inflation and price hikes, as measured by CPI.

The Fed banks’ ‘accommodative’ QE purchases of excess US Marketable Debt make room for even more new debt to be issued and *hopefully* sold. This is called Fed ‘accommodation’ and is now becoming a ‘debt death spiral’, which is when a nation (or corporation) has to issue new debt to raise the funds to pay the interest on its old debt. Unfortunately, this new constant debt issuance floods the economy with new currency, mostly enriching the proximal investment class and exacerbating inflation for the rest of us. These QE policies have also led to the insolvency of the Federal Reserve today, massive capital losses and full balance sheets with no room for the Fed to move, further handicapping the debt-based central bank.

The Myth of Fed Political Independence
Thomas J. Webster, Professor Emeritus, Lubin School of Business, Pace University, New York, NY.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4916388

>>510710816
Federal Reserve Thread Series Part 3 of 4
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/494723606/
This thread summarizes the third in a series of four recent economics papers examining the current insolvency of the 12 regional Federal Reserve franchises.

The third paper explores options for reformation or replacement (abolition!) of the insolvent Fed. The paper begins with a historical analysis that chronicles the Fed’s many past policy failures & their respective crises & how the Fed’s response to said crises further enabled Fed accommodation of $trillions in deficit spending by Congress. The Fed’s four ‘prescriptive’ rounds of QE purchases of US treasuries & MBSs have now resulted in hundreds of billions of embarrassing Fed capital losses & ZERO remittance to the US Treasury since October 2022. But, somehow the Fed is still able to pay out dividends to its shareholders and able to pay out interest on Reserve Balances (IORB) to banks & interest on reverse repo transactions to money market funds (MMFs).

This paper has broad rule recommendations that aim to rein in the Fed & reduce both manipulation & subsidies by Fed market interference. However, these rule recommendations do not address the inflation and recessions already caused by the Fed’s monetary policies. These monetary policy shortcomings could be directly addressed by 1) the abolition of the Fed(!), 2) free banking & 3) commodity-backed money. This paper loosely represents a coalition of conservative groups & their suggestions on how to fix the insolvent Federal Reserve. It examines the current system of borrowing the Fed's private currency, the Federal Reserve Note, & how we can return the role of currency issuance back to the US Treasury, & thus back to the people.

Project 2025 Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise (April 2023)
Chapter 24: ‘Federal Reserve’
Paul Winfree (& additional contributors)
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeaders

>>510710850
The third paper was weak, but the first of its kind to suggest the abolition of the Fed. One of the paper’s shortcomings detailed in an excerpt from the Part 3 of 4 thread:

*************** I pause the thread here to point out another egregious error right in the middle of the economic paper being examined. As I have noted before in past threads, such high school-tier errors are so bad that it looks as though these economics papers are not even proofread at all.
Picrel is the error and the following text is what I think the author was trying to convey:

>If government issues too much paper currency, then citizens will doubt the gold peg and turn in their paper for gold from their banks, and these Tier 2 banks, in turn, will then redeem that same paper from the US Treasury and drain the government’s gold
Please feel free to correct me if I am missing something.

To make such an egregious error in the most important sentence in the entire paper begs the question, was it on purpose, mocking the public or are they trying to trick the public into turning in their gold again lololol?
The error in pic related is an example that NO ONE is watching or correcting these people. This author worked for Trump as an economic advisor in his first term. These are the people running the show. This is who we have to rely on to fix things and that is not good. This is why we must be vigilant even more so now, not to just let them install whatever fuck they think b/c THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT GOT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I repeat:
the people already have the power to stop any tyranny by SIMPLY USING CASH AND LEAVING YOUR PHONE AT HOME sometimes
these two simple things destroy these type of surveillance plans
you already have the fucking power
it is YOU that chooses to continue using the grid to your own detriment
you already have the power right now
you have agency still
they just need your consent to implement it wholly, then having agency won't even matter


>some of my old pasta:
Only 3 countries have a trial CBDC:
China (tired of being sodomized by the NYFed)
Ukraine (also currently being sodomized by the NYFed)
Sweden (fully, voluntarily-cucked by the NYFed), willing to try a CBDC, like no country ever seen before

and some new pasta:
Sweden's 7-year, 98.8% cash-free, CBDC pilot just failed
Swedish officials said a sole-CBDC was a national security threat, only enriched the already-rich and cut the vulnerable entirely out of society.
fucking kek
PICREL

fiat is the common national bond and cooperation of the value of one's labor
if this fiat is issued by a private, debt-based central bank, then the central bank profits from the labor, not the treasury

pic rel now $235B

The now-bankrupt Federal Reserve franchise collateralizes their worthless Federal Reserve Notes with US treasuries (aka securities).
The 12 Fed franchises are now bankrupt and don't have enough collateral to request more fiat. It is being suggested now to take regional Fed shareholder capital or even regional Fed owner’s assets to back their worthless Federal Reserve Notes under Section 2 of the Federal Reserve Act.

Every uncollateralized Federal Reserve Note being issued today is a lien on the assets (and shareholder capital) of the now-bankrupt NYFed's owners, including its largest owner, JPM.
How is JPM making record profits when the NYFed's private franchise ITSELF is ~$130B in the hole?
Why is JPM still being paid dividends when the NYFed is insolvent?

When money replaces actual success, only the sleazy will be rich.

>>510711357
>The 12 Fed franchises are now bankrupt and don't have enough collateral to request more fiat.
<<<----lol the Fed failures had ONE FUCKING JOB

<<<---take a gander at this
we have been fucking hijacked by JPM and Citi
SOS

i do love my pre work 4chan discussions with coffee

lol
ok i'll stop

>>510711357
>run out
>of fiat money

>>510702029 (OP)
>to do it peacefully
hahaha
>or is collapse inevitable?
à ton avis ? c'est juste mathématique

>>510702029 (OP)
I want a world in which we have true freedom to trade and create digital assets and leverage our own industries, labour and supplies created from our own systems free from any central authority of corrupt genocidal, pedophile, gaslighting jews.

I have jo interest in paying taxes yo these jews who use our wealth they steal through institutions to not only groom and rape children but also invest in brainwashing campaigns on entire nations states who then destroy your own experience in this life.

Ive no idea why people spend their time trying to undermine the happiness of others through institutions i guess the secret is to just ignore them and everything they say or do.

Thats the way I see it.
The system they have offers absolutely nothing.

>>510711824
they are running out of interest willing to be paid, is what they are running out of

on the side kek
picrel is the IRS and new crypto requirements
i just downloaded the pdf, it should be interesting
my part 4 of 4 thread is getting longer and longer

and more and more, Trump looks like he is always working in the interests of the NYfed and not the US taxpayers
trump mistakes the NYFed as the US population and even funnier, as the US taxpayer
it is as though Trump is now creating a system designed to ONLY pay the interest

in pic rel Trump suggests nuclear energy to run crypto mining and AI

the irony here is that the more they suggest these freakish, unsustainable, laughable plans, the more the public finds new local ways to get by and circumvent them

>>510712323
nations deserve to have their own currency
we are the fucking HOUSE, the taxpayers
without US they are nothing
we are the makers
picrel good-natured humor

>>510712454
People should be able to trade in whatever currency or assets they want, i just dont believe in the concept of a nation.

Especially since my nation today is mostly Indian or Chinese.
Why should I be forced at gun point to pay for my own colonisation and ethnic replacement and have the school curriculum controlled hy my enemies?

You've got to realise that decentralised communities are the way we should govern, this free association is essential to liberty and the means of trade in this digital age should be in the hands of the people not any central authority who claims to represent the people.

We should be able to choose what we trade with and taxes are optional.

>>510712776
no federal borders means no federal income tax

America is still mostly Christian, which is why it is holding together.

Some 2021 stats from the US Census bureau:
>194 M white Americans (mostly Christian)
>43 M black Americans (mostly Christian)
>62 M hispanic Americans (very Christian)
>20 M asian Americans (even some Christian there, too)
The US is a lot more unified than thought

>>510712919
I am not sure if the people paying into a system that is working to ethically replace them works

Borders are protected by men protecting their communities not by men who are authorized to uphold the rule of law, which is just another way of saying foreign occupation.

All the problems are dealt with through violence and not by corrupt courts that promise fairness while receiving kickbacks from those who print money out of nothing.

>>510702029 (OP)
complete and total work boycott
first high ranking officials, officers, lawyers, doctors, then managers, then masses of workers. or the other way around, doesn‘t really matter. just catch the flu and stay at home to cure. after 2 weeks all will be over

>>510713279
>All the problems are dealt with through violence
i knew you were going there lol
try to resist the urge to solve problems physically

>>510713317
>first high ranking officials, officers, lawyers, doctors
not only are the above the first to be replaced by AI, but also the lowest line on this chart kek
i can't wait until the boomers turn on the Fed, it's only a matter of time, probably right after they get their coins hacked

>>510713317
People dont need to boycott work as they will just import more Indian debt slaves and claim youre racist for not wanting to get paid even less.

All we have to do is stop using their money and as the people value another form of currency their power over the people and markets dies.

You are correct that the parasites need to starve but they import debt slaves from the third world if you refuse to work.

The goal should be to attack the source of their power to remove them from our lives as they provide nothing but misery.

Its the right direction.

>>510713421
Need i remind you of Gaza?
Jews are going to build beach front apartments on the bones of palestinian children and it was a violation of international law.

But guess what no one has done ahit but protest and it continues. The law is nothing but a tool to bind weak men under foreign occupation.

Your own federal law enforcement is run by an Indian lmao. If thats not fucking obvious that states and taxes are anything but a means to disenfranchise you with games and manipulative optics i dont know what is.

Decentralised communities that violently resist tyranny.
Jews violently resist the international rules based system and the entire world sends thoughts and prayers.

>>510713672
>All we have to do is stop using their money and as the people value another form of currency their power over the people and markets dies.
this
and this IS THE JOB FOR THE national treasury of each nation, as it should be

>>510713944
your intent would bring martial law

>>510713672
I do agree but this strategy has to be understood and implemented with a little bit of organization to create maximal damage.
For example, lets take city X. On the morning of a sunny day, 10% of all workers in all companies suddenly have some health issue. One could have headache, another flu, another could have period, another could have aching teeth and so on. All consult their doctor and he tells them to go home and recuperate.
10% of the whole workforce of city X won‘t be able to do their job starting on this sunny day and lasting for a week, perhaps even a month in some severe flu cases.
Kikes aren‘t going to be able to import emergency jeets within that short term. Especially considering that the following week, for no reason at all, the same thing starts happening in city Y.

>>510714006
Is there any difference between martial law and government?
Really they are just definitions but the same structure exists.

Violence is the basis of all authority.

When you have a system of government controlled through a private money supply that our racial enemies control in its entirety and shape all laws through financial means how is that any different from martial law?

Governments dont actually exist you realise that right?
Its simply a collection of ideas you were given as a child that made you feel as if its official and not just made up concept where men now uphold a rules based order.

Why fetishise the rules youre given by your foreign occupiers when you could uphold the founders message and the spirit of liberty?

>>510714395
the people are the law
you are confused
the people are the money
the people are the nation
the people are the government
i know this is easy to forget

<<<------fucking specifically, aus anon

>>510702029 (OP)
From within? What the fuck are you going to do head on over to the Rothschild Jewish Babylonian money magic headquarters and ask them to join up so you can change them from within?

>>510706812
>swiss flag
It's a Jew. Anyway, his psyop has many forms. It's just gaslighting. You don't have the power to control your environment at the scale in which we are bitching about. You have to reach people and get them to realize what's going on and come together, which is what we're doing. This upsets the swiss banker Jew. Why? (by now you should know why). Since 2001, real wages have lost 80 percent of their purchasing power when converted to gold. There is no amount of bootstrap pulling that can pull you out of this black hole. "I got mine" bros are just coping until they eventually have their skull cracked open by a nigger that wants to eat their brains. Tune them out.

party's over
tick tock
>lazy skimmers dread real price discovery
only lazy people will be uncomfortable

>>510714606
>Since 2001, real wages have lost 80 percent of their purchasing power when converted to gold. There is no amount of bootstrap pulling that can pull you out of this black hole.
this
afk going to make my lunch

>>510714695
Ty for effort posting anon, again. I appreciate you =)

>>510705199
>means of control of the population
That's a funny name for your penis

>>510714594
>What the fuck are you going to do
Massie 2028
ending the Fed will be out of necessity

>>510714482
I understand that the people hold the ideas and through that they exist in some abstract sense. But when the ideas that the people hold are shaped by the money that they believe they need for their bare necessities then a system of deprivation emerges and with it the human condition is reduced to one of slavery.

Through this slavery coping mechanism are created to pacify them to the injustices they feel. Religion, politics and entertainment are all systems to control and so I understand your statement that the people are money/gov/country.

But im arguing that there is no difference to martial law and a ZOG bot police force other than the degree of brainwashing and gaslighting.

Deception and manipulation is the force we are trying to eliminate that exists withing the financial system its there where your jewish culture exists and why at the root of our issue.

Its the artificial deprivation of the people bare necessities in order to enslave people to the dollar. This is the great game and the democracy is a system to protect that artificial deprivation to uphold modern global slave trade known as western democracy.