LEFTXISTERS...IT CAN'T BE THAT EASY...?

>>510713055 (OP)
side of orange box 4th panel

>I CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES
>actually, expensive groceries is okay :)

Groceries are getting cheaper lol.
Myth busted.

>>510713055 (OP)
Illegal immigrants account for 3.5% of the US population. Their presence is not driving wages down. You don't need a degree in economics to figure that out.

>>510713055 (OP)
...so raising the minimum wage is good, actually?

>>510713956
Scabs always drive wages down. Unions know it and the data shows it too. I have a PHD in economics.

>>510713956
1 billion more H1B indian please

>>510713055 (OP)
So it's okay to pay for higher groceries because they're ideally going to American citizens or in his case AKA white people? That's retarded.

>>510714629
What's retarded about it? It's a price worth paying. I'd pay even more.

>>510714055
No, because raising the minimum wage doesn't solve the problem, it merely slaps a band aid on a gaping wound in need to stitches. What NEEDS to happen is a mandate that all companies must raise wages on a 1 for 1 inflation rate for all employees.
>but wouldn't that defeat the purpose of inflation...?
NOW you're starting to ask the right questions.

>>510713156
The sad thing is you faggots don’t understand what a forced meme is

>>510713055 (OP)
>>510714055
Pebblefag missed the next step that happens: everyone else's wages no longer go as far.

Think about it, if low-skilled low-pay jobs start to have to pay more, prices go up to compensate because the rich would NEVER allow their own profits to be impacted. So the average wage rises in a similar to manner to how the average prices rise, resulting in people at the bottom seeing no improvement in their circumstances.

However, those who earn over the average won't see their wages rise. They'll stay at their wage bracket, but the prices of goods have all increased. The gap between them and the low-pay workers has shrunk, and their income is no longer able to buy as much as it used to.

This is why minimum wage doesn't help anyone, and our economy has been built on immigration all this time, to exploit a cheap labour force.

>>510715068
We live in an era were middle class faggots spend $40 on collectable "Popcorn Vessels" made from cheap Chinese plastic.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF SOME FAGGOT WITH EXCESSIVE DISPOSABLE INCOME HAS TO BE FORCED TO BUY LESS SHIT IF IT MEANS MORE AMERICANS CAN EARN A WAGE THEY CAN ACTUALLY LIVE ON.

>>510713221
>Higher wages
Did you see this for being able to afford?
>>510713790
>Trump cucked on deporting the ones that are working.
>>510713956
Every single study has shown immigration to push wages down. The question is always by how much. The last study done was the immigrant dump in Miami during the 60% and the wage deprecation compared to the jobs immigrants didn't take was 15-50% stagnation

>>510715068
Funny how wages and standards of living were rising before we were importing gorillions of turd world scabs.

>>510715194
You're confused, though. I'm not talking middle class, I'm talking working class who aren't on minimum. Anyone who earns between the minimum to just above the average would be impacted. Those on minimum wage would see no benefits, the costs would just rise to meet the new minimum, meanwhile those above the minimum would now found they're either at the new minimum or being unable to afford less.

You'd actually cause fewer Americans to be able to earn a wage they can live on.

>>510715194
Lol retard. The end result is that the middle class disappears, not that the lower class attains a higher standard of living.

>>510714055
Yes, "entry jobs" are a Jewish myth and apply better to mind-numbing white collar work than high-demand service industries that would collapse if staffed exclusively by clueless college students.

>>510715361
But those "immigrants" can live on those wages somehow.
With generous taxpayer subsidies and "affirmative action" programs which perversely favor non-Americans over our own citizens.
Maybe if we spent that on our own citizens instead of subsidizing Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos' indentured servant racket.

>>510713055 (OP)
If you want to speak language the left will take seriously, talk about deliberate wage suppression and union breaking.
>[CATO] the nation's largest self-described libertarian think tank favors few things more than the demise of America's labor unions and an unregulated supply of cheap labor for businesses
>historically, union organizers viewed high levels of immigration—both legal and illegal—as a threat to their members, not out of xenophobia, but simply out of an understanding of the law of supply and demand

>>510715353
That's simply because our modern form of living is still relatively new. It didn't come about until the industrial revolution, which was a game-changer in terms of creating wealth. People lived less luxurious lives, and so even on tiny, pitiful wages, they found they were living better than they used to just by being "employed".

But the runaway affect of this form of society resulted in what effectively was EVERYONE living in luxury. I don't mean gold toilets and cavier and champagne for breakfast, I mean the things we take for granted, like constant running water, electricity, food from any season from all over the world, multiple cars, advanced tech in our pockets, etc., that was what the result of it was. It's to the point where you can go into a shop and buy a whole cooked chicken for what would be maybe 30mins of work in currency terms, which is mad when you think about it.

The issue wasn't that we all are living too comfortably now compared to what we used to, the issue is that the wealthy became frustrated that their style of life was no longer better than everyone else's. So they created grander and grander levels to reach. To do so, they needed to keep more and more of the wealth, and one way of doing this was that influx of poor foreigners to do the work more cheaply.

This in turn is affecting us by not only increasing the ceiling for the wealthy, but actively lowering the floor for the average worker. We have further to try to climb if we want the luxury we used to have (homes, cars, a family on a single income, etc), meanwhile the really wealthy are wasting money racing each other to space.

>>510714055
via market forces? yeah.

>>510713956
Simple answer is Jews

>>510713055 (OP)
2010
>If you pay people higher wages, burgers will cost s gorillion dollars!
>2025
>If you pay people higher wages, we will all be rich!
Why can't conservatives be consistent about at least one thing?;

>>510715892
>But those "immigrants" can live on those wages somehow.
Because they're willing to live in shitty conditions, like the ones they left. They'll live 20 in one house, splitting the rent between them and bulk buying beans and rice, because they can deal with it in exchange for saving money to take back home eventually.

Think about it, if there existed a country where you could work as a cleaner and get paid 10 times what you would in the US for being a surgeon, for example, chances are high that you'd be willing to live on bare-fucking-minimum for a while just to make that money.

>>510716028
>fucking up green text
You have to go back.

>>510715920
Just the last 150years alone…we‘re literally at the exponential curve when it took of vertically.

>>510716084
Yes, we're in uncharted territory for a system that's likely the biggest bubble we've ever experienced. The future is either we continue with the gap between the rich and the poor exponentially increasing, with the poor getting worse and worse off, OR the poor realise what's happening before it gets to the point where rebellion is impossible and we eat the rich.

>>510715380
>the middle class dissapears
No, they fucking don't you retard.

>rich no longer get their easy cheap labor and have to pay people competitive wages again withing the boundaries of the law without some scab fucking over lower income people, allowing those workers to earn more that they can use to aquire actual ownership of goods
>Middle/Rich class earn less, which forces the markets to adjust to a more level base line since the finacial overton window between the riches workers and poorest workers have been more leveled out, and markets exist completely on supply and demand (less people and less demand for useless shit = cheaper products)
>Price of mandatory goods/services may increase, but the poor are making more money where they won't feel the hurt (and will likely come out better off), while the middle/rich class can cry about being able to survive without a shelf full of useless plastic shit despite being able to afford the increase on mandatory goods, which also shifts the market so businesses care more about making these goods that people are now focusing their attention on (and this is assuming the demand actually goes up with less illegals in the country to have to split those finite goods to)
>Literally everyone can work and survive
Show me where I'm wrong here, because as it stands, it's basically proven the Middle/Rich class only thrive at the expense of the lower class who are left to rot and became vagrants (unless they shelter up like rat colonies) despite holding a full time job and doing almost all the physical work in this country.

Higher wages ain’t coming. If anything they’ll just use prison labor. Which will be less efficient and raise prices. And even if it wasn’t they aren’t going to lower the prices of produce and it’s not going to raise your wages at the blowjob factory.

>>510713956
The percentage of working age males in that 3.5% is much, much higher. Sure, none of them are displacing granny out of her knitting circle, retard.

>>510713055 (OP)
Destroy the federal reserve usury theft system and all things will heal naturally, not without trouble, but heal nevertheless.

>>510713055 (OP)
you get em OP

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>>510716413
>Show me where I'm wrong here
Okay.

>Rich class earn less,
This will never happen. They increase prices because they refuse to earn less. It's quite literally greed that prevents minimum wage rises to be effective.

>Price of mandatory goods/services may increase
Will increase. It's guaranteed to.

>but the poor are making more money where they won't feel the hurt (and will likely come out better off)
No, this is just a mistake. The poor will make more money, but prices will increase to take that back. Which is why if you're poor+5% for example, and minimum wages go up by 5%, with prices also going up by 5%, you are now just poor, thus increasing the number of poor people and making you worse off.

>rich class can cry about
Again, you act as if the rich don't have the economy over a barrel. They quite literally manipulate prices to avoid losing money. When Russian oil was no longer allowed to be bought, the rich raised the prices of oil elsewhere to exploit the demand despite no additional costs on them, simply because they wanted money. It caused recession and countries added more debt just to get it. The rich will never be in a position in our economic models to just sit and cry over the poor people making money, never have and never will.

>Literally everyone can work and survive
It's not possible in our economic model. The truly impoverished exist by design, and it's to act as the end of the financial spectrum, allowing the other end to keep advancing. If you made everyone a millionaire tomorrow, all you'd really be doing is making a loaf of bread cost hundreds and the billionaires into trillionaires.

>>510716190
How about we take away the rich's subsidized cheap foreign labor and see what happens BEFORE we go Le Bolshevik Revolution?
If your economy depends on infinity turd world immigrants, that's a structural defect and unsustainable for more than two generations.

>>510717413
I agree, and that's what I've said. The cheap labour was never here for our benefit, it's always been for the rich. We have only tangentially benefitted from it with slightly lower prices for a larger majority of the population. The moment that goes and the new "higher" standard for labour is introduced, you don't change anything except making everyone but the rich poorer by comparison. The entire system isn't just built on constant immigration of cheap labour, it's built on constantly increasing populations as well, to prop up the collapsing previous generations debts. Hence, they panic when birthrates drop, and they refuse to stop illegal immigration; it hurts their bottom line.

There's really no other option but the revolutionary one, the problem is if it's left too late then the rich have so much power that revolution becomes impossible.