Iโm 40; the job market is dead, the dating market is dead, and I have no shot at improving my life before Iโm elderly and the world wants nothing to do with my old ass
i drank several voodoo ranger IPAs last night and took shrooms at the same time
>>510855502Where to shrooms
>>510855421 (OP)>before Iโm elderly>I'm 40...I got news bro...
>>510855421 (OP)>nooo no one made jobs that I like! Make your own job lol!
>>510855421 (OP)Because you are lazy white man and not ambitious high caste Indian.
Quit expecting that your life is supposed to be some type of way.
>>510855421 (OP)Me too, but it doesn't bother me; society has never given a shit about me as-is
>>510855584your gen is aging at an accelerated rate zoomie
>>510855421 (OP)Political kinos for this feelio? Who will play OP in his biokino
>>510855421 (OP)let's meet up and be pointless together
>>510855582go to your local EDM club and look for the aging swinger wearing a bathrobe
>>510855590unironically the best advice but it's hard
>>510855582Buy a grow kit on Amazon or like 70 bucks.
>>510855675true. i think people have to stop thinking of themselves as part of this society, one that wants you to get ahead and interact with it in a reciprocal fashion.
Instead you have to treat it as your environment, where you work not to improve it or anything or assure its continuation, but rather to take from it what you need to survive and thrive. The rules it tries to apply to you are secondary to this, because it does not fulfill its part of any type of social contract, seeking only to exploit and exclude you
>>510855584I still got my hair at least
>>510855421 (OP)42 and in the same boat. Wish dad had told me how important it was to find a mate and a purpose in high school. Oh well, maybe I'll get lucky and there's a nice afterlife, if not I guess it won't matter. Still could have been worse at least I wasn't born in africa. Always gotta look on the bright side brother.
>>510855421 (OP)Same. I'm 41. I wasted 6 years on a cunt that abandoned me like a dog once sge got what she wanted from me. That's it. It's over. Let's die together OP.
>>510855421 (OP)Iโm 34 and got laid off last week, I have about 80 grand in my bank account that im going to use to get wasted fir the next year and then Iโm going to kill myself.
>>510855421 (OP)In all seriousness, the fact that the dating market is dead will fix the fact that the job market is dead only if immigration--legal and illegal--is stopped. This is because the only reason rich people support immigration is that they see that they've made it unaffordable for people to be able to raise a family, and they're looking for a low-cost way to replace their labor pool.
Regardless, however, our generation is forgotten. It's best to just make your peace with it. You're not going to be able to date someone. It's better to figure out a way to cope with that. The job market is dead, it's best to go inna rural area where at least you can have a dead-end job in peace--by which I mean, nobody inna rural area is going to shame you for having a dead end job because that's all there is out there.
Learn to be forgotten, and try to be at peace with that. It's dark, but it's the best you can hope for at this stage.
>>510855421 (OP)Same but I think the emotional suffering you're enduring is overrated. There are so many paths one can take in life besides being a family man and a provider. You can do something none of those people are capable of BECAUSE you are changed by this experience. Figure out what comes next. You can do ANYTHING else.
>>510855894I mean, if you want to call obvious messy-combover to combat 'I just woke up two seconds ago' having hair, then sure I guess
>>510855421 (OP)Hang in there brah. You arent at the end of the road yet.
Brooks was here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiG3HziMjWI
>>510855421 (OP)And it's all on you. You deserve what you allow and tolerate.
49 and I don't care. The present is so foul compared to what we thought it would be. I am a debt slave on a tax plantation. Whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viaTT859Yk0
>>510855421 (OP)How do you feel about fat birds? They like older men and most old men hang around bars scamming drinks and work out of acquaintances
>>510855881That's a great way to think of it. Working is like hunting within that hostile environment. The dumb twats are like the mosquitos that drain your blood and the retarded faggot boss is the vines that you cut through. God that's sad but apt.
Just get a really young girlfriend, OP.
>>510855582I can sell you some. $100 gets you 7grams of pens envy schrooms. 80 for golden teacher.
>>510855421 (OP).
be genuinely NS, and go date women you find in the NS party. You go here in /pol/ often, you lnow your way around.
>>510855421 (OP)don't worry anon, things will change soon i think. the system is in the process of collapsing. whether it happens in 2 weeks, 2 months, or 2 years, it's as sure as the seasons change, things will change, and we'll get a chance to make things better.
>>510855421 (OP)Why aren't you posting this on biz, fit, or advice?
>>510855421 (OP)>improving my life before Iโm elderly>im 40nigger you are basically already dead and nobody gives or should give a fuck about you.
youre meant to get settled and start raising a family before 30. stupid old senile cunt.
>>510855421 (OP)Write about your experiences. Be as negative as you want, just be truthful. Your experiences can help someone through; sharing of wisdom and experience, bonding through situational relation, or just entertainment purposes.
You don't have to share on here, maybe make an account on some websites and share. But, being as honest as possible without giving away too many details that could lead back to you (duh).
>>510855943....or you could just get another job lol
>>510855421 (OP)Calm down bro.
Just slow down.
Life is beautiful in Brazil if you're white.
Big booty Latinas, paradisiac beaches.
Sunny 360 days a year and all caipirinhas you can drink.
Come. But only if you're white.
Kikes, swathies, poojeets may not apply.
>>510856201>/biz/Poorfags and poos LARPing
>/fit/Homosexual drug addicts
>/adv/ /soc/ but even more pathetic
>>510855421 (OP)Best plan longer term then.
>>510856288He will just let him cope for just getting laid off
>>510856011Regardless of immigration efforts I donโt think this administration has our best interests in mind
>>510855943Good idea. No one will care
>>510856219Hey faggot cunt. Go be a faggot cune somewhere else. Fucking embarrassed by your retarded mouth. Fucking cunt retard.
>>51085621930s are the new 20s thoughbeit
>>510855421 (OP)>Iโm 40; the job market is dead, the dating market is dead, and I have no shot at improving my life before Iโm elderly and the world wants nothing to do with my old assLift weights,
Prepare for Race War. Go to as many marches and demo's as possible and become a voice in your local white american community. This is unironically the way. No matter what, you're better off without the current 2025 absolute state of HOLES.
>>510856429Stunting of mental development is like that
>>510855943You could totally buy a live aboard old house boat, park it at a dock that allows it somewhere nice with that money. Enjoy life tax free, homeless and in style, and still jump in the water and die still if you really wanted to. Probably be funner to live in a boat before giving up with that much money. Look it up on YouTube, and smoke some pot while doing it all.
>>510855582it's legal to order spores for study under a microscope. If you choose to grow them and eat them none of us can stop you. There are a lot of youtube videos on the subject
>>510856288I think Iโm just going to kill myself, layoffs are industry wide so my only hope is getting some shit job in retail or fast food where I wonโt even get full time hours or benefits after wasting 12 years of my life working my ass for pretty much nothing. Wasted my entire 20s.
>>510856614>lift weightsIโm the only one I know who didnโt fuck his body up lifting weights
>>510856219I look relatively the same as I did at 30, itโs around 42 that the cells flip over and people start looking like shit
>>510856706Iโm in Colorado, idk where Iโd put a house boat. Not a bad suggestion though, maybe Iโll find somewhere coastal to blow my brains out.
>>510856783noooo don't do any powerlifting bullshit, just train for reps and you're good, watch the muscles grow and it feels amazing to pump iron anyway, its for your own mental wellbeing in this tough time
>>510855421 (OP)43 here. You're not alone. Don't give up
>>510856758Not in caliwali it ain't
>>510855421 (OP)Same here, except I'm 37. My biggest struggle right now is not killing myself.
You can have everything and in 24 hours loose it all. YOU can have nothing and in 12 months have everything. If any of you had lived life you would know this. Is it better to have no kids than have watched one die of cancer? Who knows. You just carry on. Do you think all the great dictators who died violently expected that, they had everything, a whole nation absolute power...yet from hitler to mussolini to gadaffi to ceausescu etc they all died violently in fear and despair.
Once you know it can all be gone the next morning, life is never the same. God writes the script, you just do the best you can to act your part
>>510856342Degenerate maggot.
Fun is good, but our call is to grander things.
>>510855894Oh you're the illiterate retard that cleaned the floors at the hospital I worked at aren't you? I forget your name.. keep up the rock climbing tho bro, and the floors looked great!
>>510855421 (OP)Just enjoy the simple things in life. I'm 44, not married, and no kids. When you reach a certain age there is nothing to prove and you congrats the people who made it out of struggles. Life is hard for almost everybody. Keeping a marriage together is the single most hardest thing two people can do without question. There are plenty of shit jobs to keep you busy and there are so many single women that you can still fuck. For all the complaining, anger, and depression you go to bed and wake up and it's a new day. You will forgot about all that bullshit to keep your sanity. I've looked back on people who I grew up with and it's a flip of a coin if they made it. I've visited family just enough to see how things are going before I ignored them and deleted them off my phone to keep my sanity. One cousin has a wife who gives dirty looks, one cousin is married to a Indian who came from arranged marriage, and another one got married in his late 40's and one cousin told him he's going to be an old dad. My one cousin who married an Indian is considered smart literally thought I was dumb and insulted me low key and she's the one that gets mad that I don't kiss her.
>>510855421 (OP)Why did you wait until now? Plenty of single mothers and welfare out there.
I'm 28 but bro it's already over. All the chicks that are worth dating either friend-zone me or say I'm too old for them. All my friends are younger than me and yet they took are getting married. I've got a regular fuck buddy though but she's 36
>>510855421 (OP)Hitler was older than you in 1939 and there is a race war incoming. You are still on time for great things.
>>510856764i think you're retarded. you have 80 grand in your bank and you're gonna kill yourself. you can retire off 80 grand if you're not a retard.
>>510857383you sound like a truly pathetic and miserable wagie
Life is not about achievements and "success". Building relationships and realizing your connection to the universe is the point of existence
>>510855421 (OP)I just saw a video of a chink operating an excavator remotely, literally all of us are going to be relegated to service roles before we die.
>>510856011>The job market is dead, it's best to go inna rural area where at least you can have a dead-end job in peace--by which I mean, nobody inna rural area is going to shame you for having a dead end job because that's all there is out there.Nobody inna rural area has a job for you either.
>>510855421 (OP)You have to make your own job bro. Learn to build shit and then monetize that
>>510855584Itโs not elderly at all, not for a guy. 50 is where I hear it gets fucked up. Idk man shit js crazy.
>>510855943Bro you could build so much with 80 grand and still be able to party. Buy land, buld everything yourself and for cheap, then put the rest of the money into some kind of MMKT or stocks like VOO or another appreciation liquid asset that sends you cash every month. Thatโs so your land tax can get paid every year passively. Now you can live for free AND THEN party on your own land
>>510856354/adv/ is all paid jeet shills
>>510858135>You m-m-make m-money!!!not the own you think it is lil bro.
>>510858411I'm going back to school to be a nurse at 42... some say it's over but I think it's about to begin.
>>510859869time to nurse other elderlies
>>510859932BRRrrraaaaaapp
>clean in up wagie
>>510856129damn that's a fucking rip off
>>510855421 (OP)I'm not that old but I kind of feel the same. What do we even do at this point when everything is bad
>>510855898This.
It over for us now. Let's rot in peace.
>>510859005If your body is failing before 70 something is seriously wrong.
>>510855584You should still be pretty strong at 40. A lot of strength athletes peak around that age.
>>510855421 (OP)you're not trying hard enough
>>510855421 (OP)You sound like you're free
>>510855421 (OP)Yep there's no fucking jobs and employers are too fucking picky.
And they don't want to train employees they just drop them on the job and its sink or swim for the most part. If you have a job and your boss actually trains you and cares about the employee enough to make sure they succeed in their position then don't leave that job.
>>510856878Why not just literally do the boat idea? Itโs a good one
>>510859869I did this at 28, its not kicking off like you think it is, a lot of brain intensive work. A lot of paperwork and bullshit.
>>510856129>$100top kek
It's $80 per OUNCE here in Oregon.
>>510856764Live abroad. Get a passport if you haven't and move to Bolivia and live a peaceful life.
>>510858785Lots of jobs in rural areas I've found.
The issue is that the folk in rural areas are so fucking old they do not know how to post jobs online. Rural areas are still back in the 50s where you literally go physically into the factory/store or read the FUCKING NEWSPAPER to find jobs.
>>510857426My cousins literally hate me to the point where i dont trust any food or drinks i havent been watching the entire time when im around them. One just got engaged and so things might come to a head soon. Oh well. Its been real.
>>510855421 (OP)If you dont manage to get married by the time your 40 you could be in trouble. You have to be at least in a committed relationship with a girl who you could marry by 40. Nobody like the 40 year old cel.
>>510860359Theres parts of the US still that are like going back in time 35-40 years. Nebraska is one of these states.
>>510860359And they haven't caught up to the west or east coasts in terms of tech yet. They are catching up but slowly.
>>510855421 (OP)Get an actual job. Blue collar jobs and trades will always be needed. So glad office jobs are dying. Just sitting around all day and pretending to look productive.
My life only started at 35 you bitch niggas. I have no money, no savings, my hair is thinning (nowhere near bald though) and I don't get paid properly for what I do but I'm fucking shit up. Life is what you make it. I don't expect to get this sort of depression until I'm in my 50s but I'll probably be dead then anyway so fuck it.
>>510855421 (OP)There are lots of 40 year old single women, most have tattoos, worn out o-rings, and a bad attitude though.
South America is the place to live unironically. It's cheap, the food is amazing, and if you learn Spanish its useful for a lot of things. Im telling you people Brazil, Argentina, Peru are cool places.
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>>510855421 (OP)Surf the kali yuga, bruh
>>510860450I hope something stops the spread of technology and it all dies. Fred was right.
>>510860668Arenโt those places like detroit iraq tier dangerous now? I feel like you cant go there solo
>>510855421 (OP)how many times a day do you think on suicide?
>>510860738Not even close. Memphis and St Louis combined have a higher murder rate than any single latin American country
>>510855894Dude what is that hairstyle? Anthony from Smosh?
>>510860738Did you know that Venezuela was the most prosperous country in the entirety of Latin America in the 60s?
But all in all, Costa Rica is probably the best western friendly Spanish speaking country to live in.
Niggers do be tonguing my anus
>>510860160Notable, especially in an Anglo country. It is extremely hard to get younger women there. Abroad not so much, it's the egalitarianism bs
>>510860668>>510860282i think in south america they will kidnap and ransom you if you're a gringo in a rural area, or even an urban one if you dont take precaution
>>510860902Please donโt hate on Emo Anthony, I love him very much, he means a lot to me.
>>510855927What did she wants from u?
>>510855927Story? What'd she get?
>>510855421 (OP)Yeah pretty much. If you're 40+ and don't have a shit load of money and a family it's unironically over. You can do drugs or kill yourself pretty much.
>>510860536Nope, I read charts in the AC all day. Make close to 40 an hour in flyover Ohio. My cost of living is dirt cheap, and my job is the easiest shit anyone could dream of. Stay mad though kiddo, it's fun making neet losers rage.
>>510855582its so absurdly easy that if you cant figure it out you are probably just too stupid to try them.
>>510857222>God writes the script"It's not my fault!"
I felt this way op at 40 nd worked a ton to start my own thing
Im 47 now and self employed and too busy to improve my life out of work
Id be ok not waking up cus all I see if me in a nursing home getting mistreated by browns
Its the financial pressure... move somewhere cheap to be the best of it. Trying to improve your financials after middle age is pointless. Spare your dignity and work but in a cheaper place. Move to mexico fugg it
>>510861486And she got it for the low low price of part of my soul. A sacrifice she was willing to make.
>>510861486>>510861698Please stop being mean to Anthony
>>510861486Was she jungle asian?
Did she get any money?
Did she run off with another dude or bring her family over?
How old was she?
How'd you meet?
What lessons can be learned from this?
Share you pain so we can avoid some ourselves in this hostile society.
>>510855421 (OP)I like to smoke weed and play video games
>>510855421 (OP)Me too. Maybe we should just put a bullet in our brains.
I just wanted to be a wife and mom but my prince never came. :(
https://youtu.be/r3sLi9pYBZY?feature=shared
these older dudes seem happy in thailand
>>510855421 (OP)>and I have no shot at improving my life before Iโm elderly and the world wants nothing to do with my old assOh fuck off. My mom went back to school and finished a degree at like 50. Then she got a new job in an industry she had zero experience in.
Women are pleasant to be around as long as you dont depend on them in any way. They say funny things and imitate you
>>510861486What race was she?
The real killer black pill is being 40 and having no male friends
Then youre dead in the water pal
>>510862024nice your mom seems down to try new things. open to new experiences
>>510858340what are the most important relationships in history
>>510855421 (OP)Why didn't you get married before 30?
>>510855421 (OP)We must secure a future for the white race
>>510856706Fuck, I have more money than that and even other assets but it's not about the amount I have now so much as the fact that it seems regular people are being cancelled, everyone is getting laid off, the few jobs there are pay a lot less than a few years ago meanwhile everything costs enormously more. It feels like all non pedophile elites are being phased out. I'm thinking of going to cheap Latin American country and buying land.
>>510860273not a flex, it's the same in missouri
how do you even apply for jobs and go to interviews when youโve been neeting too long. just brute force it?
>>510855421 (OP)Time to start living.
>>510863960Mass apply on Canadian version of Indeed or whatever your country uses. It took me applying every day for hours a day for 4 months to get 1 job.
Get a job at Amazon or UPS thats probably the best advice I'd give someone in their 20s and 30s work wise. And while you are grinding away at your day job, look at lateral opportunities at your job and keep moving up the ladder.
>>510855421 (OP)okay and? fuck off
>>510855421 (OP)sucks
talk to an Army recruiter today
get some value out of your remaining life
>>510863960You're probably fucked because it's Canada but all you can really do is apply or ask family/friends if they have any work.
Depending on how long the neeting was for you may need to throw away whatever credentials you used to have and look for entry level work. Prepare to be ghosted by everyone though.
>go to school, get a job
>meet a nice woman, have kids
>pay taxes until you die, goy
What could possibly make men want to kill themselves? I am baffled.
>>510855421 (OP)I'm in the same boat. My blessings are that a) i never let a woman marry me and have no kids thus still a prospect in some women's eyes b) i look 10-15 years younger than I am and still healthy c) I've built a career and financial independence with a comfy standard of living that I can offer a woman
The challenge is finding a worthy woman who is willing to put herself in a mature relationship and who is still single and childless herself. I'm learning the sweet spot is not as young as I thought. It can work as low as say 22, but you run a real risk of wasting time and fucking things up by going lower. I'm thinking 25-30 is the actual sweet spot to find something serious. Of course you can sign yourself up to fuck younger, but it's just going to be fucking until she goes psycho on your ass one way or another.
>>510864827Also, I'm lowering my standards to a relative degree. Past relationships? Fine. A wild streak? Depends what you did. If she EVER fucked a non white guy or did some whore behaviors, she's disqualified still. I'm realistic enough to know finding a virgin AND it working like you think it will is a very low probability.
One last thing that is relevant. Our biggest challenge now is facing generations of women who have chosen to opt out of ever being a mother. And right after that is the swaths of women who can not even comprehend dating guys like us with our views. I consistently am asked "You're not a trump supporter are you?" And I have to tell them no, but then I have to tell them it's actually more worse than that, I'm a hitler supporter.
>>510855421 (OP)I'm 53 and just got turned down for a dishwasher job because I didn't reply to a Zoom Interview invitation quickly enough. They claimed I still had an open application for another job on file at the Hospital I applied at, even though they'd turned me down for that job about 3 months ago. I'm just impressed they showed any interest in me to begin with, I'm not used to even getting responses to my applications now.
Guess I'll keep applying to other jobs for the moment and hold on to my old job for now, where I sit on my ass and watch Youtube tutorials to try to learn new job skills.
Fuck this gay earth.
>>510855881>>510856101isnt this way of thinking natural for 4channers? we're all parasites trying to take as much as possible and laugh if it burns down? yeah my life is awesome as a result but i feel kinda jewish sometimes
>>510857426Iโm late 30s and canโt even get a fucking $16 an hour job. The only thing that hires now is backbreaking labor shit like Amazon delivery or caregiver kek. HR roasties will blatantly discriminate against you for anything else
>>510859005Am 57 - it depends on if you put in the work
>>510859336With $600,000 liquid. This is not true.
>>510865169You're still really old looking bro. Yeah some young girls are into that.
>>510857426I too think you're dumb
>>510855421 (OP)I'm in the same exact position. It's my own fault for fucking around during my 20's and 30's. It's insane how fast those years went by. Hanging out with my friends all the time in the earlier years, then working my shitty job and playing vidya when I got home exhausted during the later ones. Now I'm fucking 40 and it hit me hard that I basically wasted my youth completely. For the past two months I've been in the worst depression I've ever experienced. I always dreamed of being a dad buy I seriously doubt it's ever going to happen now.
>>510864827> but you run a real risk of wasting time and fucking things up by going lower.Whys that. A 16-18 year old virgin or low body count (less than 5) is better than a 22 year old roastie that fucked 100+ guys already. And theyโre easily malleable
>>510863960Just say you were working for family doing house flips or something.
>>510865169Those are some short arms how tall are you? Like 5'4"?
>>510855421 (OP)Why are you wasting time posting about this on the internet? The 5 minutes it took to post this was taken out of your hustle budget for the day. Five minutes of hustle effort per day, multiplied over multiple years, could amount to a significant pay off.
Get a CDL. Or start buying commercial grade equipment that everyone wishes they had, and start doing their jobs for them. Something that is just out of reach for the average man, but you can invest and turn it into a full time job. For example you can buy steam cleaners in the 2-3k range. Most people don't have these. Hotels and other big companies have them. But you can travel and use it to clean many different applications and the average person will see the value your equipment brings that they can't do themselves. That's just an example. Similar with an ultrasonic cleaner - most people don't even know these exist yet alone have one. 3D printer too. And electric yard tools can be built up into a versatile business. You just have to keep throwing yourself out there to find customers and build up a solid reputation for word of mouth. Same if you can invest in a truck, you can do a lot even just moving shit for people. That's what I think about if I ever get burned out in my real career.
>>510865294the job market and corporate world is so fucked now that it's almost your duty to just lie, since the whores and retards hiring assume you are anyway and they are also liars. make shit up, do not feel bad about it. who cares.
>>510865233>Yeah some young girls are into thatYou know how many girls have daddy issues?
>Those are some short arms how tall are you? Like 5'4"?5'9 - I lost 2 inches since I was 25 - nobody told me this happens!
>>510855421 (OP)The older I get the more I understand the viking, the samurai and JChrist of Nazareth. Time is not long, glory, honor, and sacrifice are the highest rewards to those who are not in denial of their mortality. You could find a nice partner and get an RV and find nice places to read together under shade until one of you gets sick and dies and leaves the other one so depressed they wish they went first. I recommend the gospel of John audio, listen every night before sleep until you get it.
>>510865440Ok but do u really want to go thru life being someone's misplaced daddy. I'm cringing the amount of times girls try to call me daddy. I do kinda blame you gen xers for that sick trend.
I'm 41 and I'm going to live forever. All of the universe will belong to me. It already belongs to me and is waiting for me to take ownership.
its done on purpose so you join ww3 just for basic food and housing
>>510865288"40's" break strong men, just look at suicide statistics. I am not looking forward to it
>>510865489I usually change my woman every 8 years or so, not by design it just happens like that.
They get moany, lose their looks and start to nag.
But been married for 12 years to a fit woman(athletic) whose 14 years younger than me and it works great.
>>510865489Yea, who cares. This is the way itโs always been. Older men fucking 16-18 year olds and impregnating them. It was even younger 100 years ago
>>510865622Naa - they're a pain in the arse.
Cause problems and don't know how to do anything.
Men with massive age differences are just trying to fuck their daughters.
>>510865524Men hit a wall too. They look older especially hitting 40 and beyond. They do have more options how they choose to work with their older look than women are just fighting to hold on to the last strands of their youth. I am lucky I apparently have Jared Leto tier genetics, but it's also intertwined with my late blooming. Our biological clocks are definitely not the same for everyone. I had a classmate in middle school who looked so mature he could have passed for my father today.
>>510855421 (OP)Sucks to suck lmao
>>510857383A truly vile post. They're never going to let you into their club, no matter how hard you work to pretend you're not yourself "the help." Pathetic loser punching downwards. Economic casualty.
>>510855894How come you didn't get any more acting gigs after the O.C?
>>510865524I spent most of my 40s working a job I hated with massive overtime for a significant portion of it but it made me all the money I've got now, for what that's worth. After I lost that job during Covid I tried a couple of more jobs and then just drank for two years, squandering about 40k. Now I've got a shitty job that I just want to leave, But at least I've still got savings, so if I die then I die reasonably in the black. That's probably a loss on my part, because it's retarded.
>>510855421 (OP)Are you actually, or is it demoralization thread?
I am 37 had to cancel job interviews when I got hired. Other jobs offered more, don't care.
If people don't want to hire you, just seem to be a low value human? I mean I am literally obese straight and white, least desirable employee.
>>510865833it depends where u live and who has the money to hand out
>>510855421 (OP)i moved back in with my divorced mother at 40 and its been comfy as fuck ever since. we bring in about ยฃ1600 a month in benefits and we eat well. she goes on holiday iften and i spend my money on drugs and gaming. i have a top of the line pc with a 5070ti and just ordered a new webcam and mic to take my streaming to the next level now that i have access to the sponsor page, i might even be aboe to get off benefits and start a business if the streaming goes well.
my business plan: to buy acres of land, set up homes for White people, get them in a position to have children and claim single parent benefits whilst not being a single parent, for the woman to claim benefits single, the man also, whilst he can go to work cash in hand if he so desires, and paying me rent in order to buy their home. i will be doing all this not to make a profit but to say ive made a difference for my people. i have no children so i need to do something for my race
>>510855421 (OP)you'll stop caring once you hit 45.
>>510865725>Men hit a wall too.True - but our skin is thicker so it looks better for longer. If you work out you can keep most of your muscle mass and avoid THE BELLY.
But if you're one of those that goes bald, you're fucked.
>>510865833What type of jobs Sven? Do they even have DEI in Sweden?
>>510865960>have no children so i need to do something for my racelol
>>510865960>i have a top of the line pc with a 5070tiThat's by definition not top of the line.
>>510855421 (OP)Poor lil timmy can't get a job lmao
>>510866114so, i shouldnt help families out then? i missed my chance because of my bitch ex of 12 years, ate up my entire 20โs and some of my 30s.
>>510866169>5070ti is not top of the limeits literally the same chip as a 5090. youโre thinking of the 5060 maybe.
>>510865960>I'm a 40+ yo childSad.
>>510866342>>5108661695080* im american with fat fingers
>>510855421 (OP)40 is not elderly rerard.
>>510866529it is, my a hing body says so
t.43
>>510866169>>510866504also border dwellers sometimes get canadian ipโs on mobile data
>>510855421 (OP)its called middle age crisis. youve seen the horizon of life, you can see down the path of life and you see your mortality for the first time. Remember, its only a "crisis" if you passively bitch about it... The world has been the same for about 10-15 years.
What you need to do now its either:
1. get fit and fuck zoomers
2. get fit and fuck millenials
3. be a slob and be a stepfather for any millenial or gen x single mom with nigger kids.
the choice is yours, soldier.
>>510855421 (OP)Now you are ready for that public service government job.
>>510865169good looking,very well aged
>>510866639youโre gay, thats why me living at hime with my mother upset you. vile fagguette
>>510865524its only 30% that kill themselves in their 40's. It gets worse 75+
>>510866639>good looking,very well agedCheers lad - if you work out in your 20-30s you keep the benefits for life - even if you stop for a few years.
Most of my friends are fat fucks. Feels good.
>>510866685>living at hime with my motherAt 40? that's grim. Kill me now
>>510866784At 75+ its obvious the reason why. Your organs are failing and you would probably just rather be dead.
>>510855421 (OP)just dead yourself accordingly loser
>>510866685i just know it takes a lot of work to stay at least somewhat in shape. not just at the gym but also in the kitchen.
>>510865982Yeah, they do
It's a remote frontend dev job.
> Muh AI
>>510866784That isn't 30% it's 30 out of 100,000, that's 0.03%.
>>51086652940 is elderly in the job market and it's dangerous to assume otherwise. People say 45 is the new 65 because you are practically unhireable past 50. Employers see your skillset as outdated and your salary as too high to be worth it when they can get some young buck to work the same job for less. Seriously if you do not own your own business by that age you are NGMI.
>>510865910That is fair, maybe US is a shithole for jobs currently. I know in tech everyone finally starts to see the light here and stops hiring armies of incompetent people.
For some raisin in the US I see a lot of hiring Indians into big tech.
I assume that's just nepotism,
The poop menace, Microsoft and Google must die so the poos can be evicted for not working.
>>510859869Nursing is never a bad option if you're broke. The fact that you can post here puts you in the top 10% intelligence bracket of nurses and you can easily break $100k in a couple years. Lots of places will even pay for school for you
>>510867031Just to add, there are literally 0 skill warehouse jobs in the nearest town to Me. I needed a new job as I was in gaming, but not a game dev so I can find work at least.
>>510867070My mum's a nurse, they mass import third worlders for it. You have no job security unless you're an RN.
>>510867007Depends on the field, if some skill is required they might prefer the 40y olds Zoomers are fucking useless generally. And if they are they get upset at small stuff and leave.
>>510867007>40 is elderly in the job marketBy then you should be realizing that working for others doesn't pay well.
Even a small business will usually bring in more money.
>>510867007thats just not true. Someone 50+ comes with a lot of experience and skills someone in his 20ies and 30ies just cannot have.
>>510863960Apply to Amazon warehouses. Zero requirements.
>>510867189he's kind of right.
Older people have other commitments and are not as willing to eat shit and do long hours for little.
>>510867249How do you afford to live on amazon warehouse wages?
>>510855421 (OP)The funniest part is 20 and early 30yo, who think that they can self-improove. I wish I just played video games instead of wasting my time on school.
I'm 44, fit but bald, own a home and car outright, have $200k savings, no kids or girl, no job but lots of skill in tech, my dad is rich and gives me about 80k a year just to exist and is probably hugely disappointed in me. No idea when he'll tell me to fuck off.
I feel fucked as far as companionship. One local friend and he's more of a shut in that me that lives with his mom. We go see a movie like once every 3 months. I've always been full of potential but no ability to finish shit I start. My mother passed away in late 2000's but was so insanley abusive and drunk growing up it still fucks with me. I'm also in tons of physical pain with a neck issue and strange chest pains all the time. Dr's can't tell me ahit and after 10 years I can't waste any more money on them.
I just write shitty music and play games and do anything to not face the lurking and profound depression. I know I have it better than most but it's still like trudging and falling into hell constantly
>>510867510>I'm 44, fit>neck issue and strange chest painsYou could also have a stroke.
>>510867616hopefully one that just kills me and doesn't vegetable me
>>510857383you aren't a doctor so quit larping, nigger faggot. gas yourself.
>>510867460I'm in a low cost of living area. Commute to the city economic zone to work, live in the country.
>>510867510>My mother>was so insanley abusive and drunk growing up it still fucks with me.
>>510867510you're doing good anon, there's way worse at 44
>>510855421 (OP)Smoke drugs nigger nigger smoke drugs.
>>510866828its not grim, its comfy. you may not like your mother but i like mine.
>>510867883don't mind if i do
nigger
>>510867510I have chronic pain as well, and I'm sick and nauseous all the time. I spent past 10 years trying to find a cure and it's getting worse each day. Doctors dismiss me at this point, and prescribe anti-depressants. I tried every diet on earth. I'm a 33yo NEET.
>>510866903im somewhat healthy but im not massively muscular. 73kg 5โ10. why are you interested in my health? and i got you mixed up with the frenchie. its early for me and im not fully awake yet.
>>51085900550 here, look early 30s, fit, healthy, no issues. It's all in your mind, literally. Was living out of my car two years ago, now making 6 figures and happy. Stop telling yourself you cant. Just fucking do something.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=aoccN-2sK98&si=sn1c-CY2ABzBUBAX
>>510855421 (OP)Sounds you and everyone else is at the perfect stage for uprising
>>510867976What's the story?
>>510867510whats it like getting 80k a month pocket money? what do you buy with it? i assume you spend 50% of it at least as you own your home already and have no family to think about.
>>510866903>>510867943sorry for flag change. my expensive vpn keeps switching, going back to america and locking it im
>>510867704Sucks man, thx for the iktf. Mine was wildly bipolar or something, screamed literally every day dragging the whole family into psychotic arguments and then in the morning cried sobbing and said she was so sorry and would never do it again (just to get drunk do it again every night.) Throwing shit and screeching. Imagine 30 years of that, fucked me up beyond repair. My guess is dad still feels guilty that was my whole life. What was your mom like?
>>510867711I appreciate, sometimes I'm pround I'm still alive but not often
>>510856011>Learn to be forgotten, and try to be at peace with thatMost sage advice in the whole thread.
>>510868083it sucks? motherfucker gets 80k a month pocket money. how the fuck is he still depressed about his mother when his father is such a loving man?
>>510867976I had some success ditching literally all sugar and diet sodas, still fucked tho. Sorry man, keep trying new things all the time and log them.
>>510868081>whats it likeShameful in psychology but comforting in not wanting to be on the streets. In the least I don't spend it on meth like an asshole. Just some distractions and otherwise try to let it sit in bank cd's at 4% because I'm otherwise piss at investing
>>510866632Next week I'll meet and fuck a 21yo latina zoomette. Am I doing it right?
>>510867189its just pure zoomer cope. My company won't even consider you without 10 years experience. And that's for a fleet mechanic.
>>510868156it sucks because I was mentally and physically assaulted and then apologized to literally every day since I was 1 with no concept of what I did wrong, no resolution ever, the most negative hyperbolic existence possible. Can you fathom how that fuck's someone up? You know how many times I've had a gun in my mouth?
>>510868194>shameful in psychology do you mean youโre embarrassed you get subsidised by your father? you should feel good, you know your parents had you to have you and not to have a slave like my mother and father. id still swap positions with you anytime. we only make about 13k before any cash in hand work. i moved back in with me mam a couple of years ago after giving up on life cause my life was poor even though i worked 60 hour weeks, and my missis of 12 years started to annoy me bad so i left, wasted 12 years on her with nothing to show. nowadays i get along with my mother now shes divorced and alone.
>>510855421 (OP)40 here. Started working put to lose weight, I'm down 20kg (44 freedom units) since February. Feels good man. Started my own business that is doing pretty good as well. Working for a rich dude at the same time cuz I like the double income. No liabilities of any kind. No loans, mortgages, credit cards. I own 3 gomes fully No wife or kids, women are worthless insufferable trash. I've never been healthier or happier. Get your shit together bro.
>>510867510what is the neck issue like?
>>510867510>receives 10s of thousands of dollars annually from rich parent>I've always been full of potential but no ability to finish shit I start.I seem to think i've found the problem right there. Due to shitty parenting and many other fuck ups along the way, they've enabled you to also be a chronic fuck up. Sure you got a few bucks but other than that, you are dead inside. You wasted far too much time in this state of being an enabled loser. No clearly defined goals, no ability to achieve. You got all that shit given to you and still no future prospects. No greater purpose that compels you to keep marching forward. I'm afraid it only gets worse for you from here on out.
>>510868423yes, i can imagine how abuse would leave you with a messed up mind, however i feel like you should have been able to get to the point you no longer dwell on it and actually do something with yourself. i dont want to compare but my life was shit too(i was homeless at 11 years old) and i was miserable for years, however i no longer let it affect me to the point i cant enjoy anything in life. you get 80k a year, take a holiday to a nice hot country bro. might do you good.
>>510855421 (OP)youre 40 and not rich, the world doesnt care allready. no one ever cared.
what you should have been doing is getting a loaded trust fund daddy then you wouldnt have all these problems.
>>510868499>gomesThat's Bulgarian for Gnomes.
hahaha Bulgarian man with his 3 pet Gomers.
>>510868292Your company better be working on state of the art shit or be spamming apprenticeships or it sounds like a retarded requirement.
>>510868464embarassed that I haven't been able to repay his kindness with success I guess but I feel you. Again in the least I don't shit on his generosity by being a degenerate gambling or using it to get wasted eternally. I let him know I appreciate it and try to grow the money. Apparently a lot of my happiness is just tied with accomplishment which my brain has sabotaged a lot
>>510868638kek I totally would own gnomes, sounds based and useful. I got pet chickens though.
>>510868653Not really. The best workers here are all 60+ hell just apprenticeship takes 5 years. They're actually scared as fuck the business is gonna go under since zoomers are worthless.
>>510868292but they can fix burgers at burger king until they have the 10 years of required experience for a random shit job they can be fired at any minute.
>>510868194There has to be something you want to do, anon. Like something that makes you really happy. I've been in sales my whole life, but I fucking love it. No one told us that one day, we would be grown and we could literally do anything that we wanted. Our boomer parents tried to force us into their own shitty, selfish mode.
You can start over. It's never too late.
Republicans have a plan for every low income person when they make 3000 a month apartments unaffordable for everyone. Be prepared for millions of homeless niggers. :)
>>510868664for me its my parents owing me money. its no big deal. everybody is poor now but yacht chad. this is what based communism stealthed as capitalism does to people.
>>510855421 (OP)if you're on indeed and online applying then stfu.
go to real places in your car and drop off real paper resumes.
neets think they can get a job from their computer and i'm glad they cant lazy cunts.
>>510856342You aren't white.
>>510868571yeah i thought I'd get over it too but it was so consistently fucked up for so constsistently long that nothing I've tried (exercise, therapy, diet, being social, sports, all the usual etc) has brought me back. There's some dark gravity well in my thoughts is the best way i can put it, hijacks all joy
>>510868861literally working from hom as an illustrator. you can do all kinds of gigs for smart people from home but this excludes you.
I especially hate it when my parents talk about me inheriting things.
They are sitting on nearly a million in cash. I'm almost 40. When they die I'll be in my late 60's. Just choke on your money.
>>510868724>I refuse to pass my skills on>"zoomers are worthless"
>>510868994I have renounced my inheritance since my parents constantly talked about me only visiting them because I wanted an inheritance, ignoring the fact that I'm richer than them by quite a margin already.
>>510855502>muh drugs>just take shrooms bro it will like make you enlightened bro>when im high on shrooms I realize that the trees are breathingThat is just the trees slightly blowing with the breeze, it's beautiful when you're sober too.
>FUCK YOU YOURE JUST NOT ENLIGHTENED LIKE I AMliterally a paraphrased conversation I had with an anon on this board a while back. Just fry your brain with cowshit mushrooms anon it's super cool and everybody else is doing it!!
>>510868994they want you to get your own money. find a way.
>>510855421 (OP)google context engineering and write down a project. You need to find AI-related niche now. It won't be immediately obvious what it might be, but that's the opening.
>>510868890you dont even have to get over it as such, just stop ot affecting you to where you put a gun in your mouth, please go on holiday, exercise is hard to maintain(currently trying to up my energy levels with testosterone supplements so i can be motivated to lift daily instead of weekly) but a holiday to a nice place is good for the soul. being somewhere hot, with no worries about food, living, travel etc is the break we all meed. olus you can meet other folks while there. take a hot air balloon trip or something. youโre rich enough to do anything. get to it and stop dwelling on your cunt mother.
>>510857851this
life doesn't start till 45 these days.
>>510868822I have friends who's parents plain mooch from them actively and that always saddens me, that's a spot kids shouldn't be forced into and it's such a boomer manifested thing, sorry anon
>>510869095Find me a zoomer that's willing to be an apprentice in a machine shop for 5 years minimum.
>>510868083Mine was an alcoholic single mother who divorced my dad when I was 9 and chose a "former" heroin junkie who smoked pot in front of his kid for her first post-marriage boyfriend. She made a point of ruining every family she could get her hands on, including ours. She never took any responsibility for anything, and only recently I found out how much money she got after the divorce and how easy her life was. Most of the time I lived with her (until I left her at 15 to live with my father and stepfamily because of the abuse) she got enough in child support alone to cover rent and then some. She drank it all away despite making decent wages as a nurse. Her parents also continued to give her money most of her life. Still, she never stopped crying poormouth, and eventually hooked up with a guy old enough to be her father. When he tried to throw her out, I was told she slept in her car in front of his garage until he let her move back in. I spent years not talking to her, but when Covid happened I made the mistake of calling her again and now she calls every Sunday to try to depress me. That's how I know much of what I know now, I just let her ramble about the past and things I forgot years ago, and she never ceases to enrage me with her evil. I tried to shut her out of my life long ago, but now I'm documenting what she says for some reason, and I've learned a few things. But I'm about done and am ready for her to die, if only she would. She's a horrible person.
>>510855584You only become elderly when you allow yourself too. I'm 31 but ive met 70-something year old who were sharp and very "with it" culturally and intellectually. On the other hand I know 50 year old gen x'ers that are dull, and lucked their way into high paying positions that are always making excuses about how theyre "too old to learn or do x now" so they just sit on the couch watching ESPN and drinking beer lmao. People literally got psyopped into thinking they can't learn after like 25-30 and it's hilarious.
>>510869095if theyd take on a 43 yr old apprentice id do fleet repair work no problem. my issue is no one wants to give me a chance other than being a chef(cause chefs get paid minimum wage in the uk cause if zero hour contracts)
>>510869201You need to find an AI related niche 5 years ago. I'm not sure why you think tech is fine.
>>510868083Similar situation. It is deff harder to bounce back from this than some people realize. People will say you're weak but really you need some luck and a certain type of personality to not be ruined for life from things like this. Praying for you tonight fren. Take care.
>>510869225I do need to travel more, somewhere over time I got drastically repelled by that idea and went hardcore shut-in. It's been over a decade of that so very hard habit to break but needs to happen. I did visit some friends a state away last month which was a step but had done that before and nowhere new in a really long time
>>510855421 (OP)jew laughter is not allowed
>>510869244Here's one (non-zoomer but still someone looking)
>>510869326Plenty of people are looking to switch careers, particularly people who only have a few years in software because they're currently unhireable.
As for zoomers specifically, I can guarantee that they exist, clickbait articles are just that.
>>510869356I really like the tiddy dough.
>>510869163I earn a modal income job that's within walking distance from my house. So I can survive that until I retire. And they have signed an agreement that I can run a business at the side. So I'll manage.
I just find it a bit offensive they are sitting on the money doing nothing with it, and then believe they are doing me a favor while I'm not seeing any of it when I actually need it.
>>510868952good luck competing with ai knowitall faggot.
>>510869419Exactly my point we still hire people, they're just not zoomers.
>>510868952I was thinking of learning 3d modeling with blender and/or freecad. Any recommendations/thoughts?
>>510869488No good artist will be replaced by AI. It is only the furrynigger steven universe slop bluesky artists that will have to work in fast food now that they aren't needed to make mediocre fetish slop for degenerates. Real artist imbue soul that AI will not be able to replicate for at least a few decades minimum.
>>510869263Man that sucks, sorry you had to go through that anon. Sometimes I tell myself the more you define yourself as the opposite of that broken shit the stronger you become. Great job getting to a point of distance where you can define your life. Emotionally severing from toxic family even when they still erupt and try to soulsuck is super mature
>>510869360many thanks anon, you too
>>510855894I can see a combover from light-years away. You're donezo buddy
im 38 hair thinning.
i went out tonight and girls about age 22-24would come up to me and chat me up. girls would dance close to me too. and start fringind on me. i got one phone number. one of the girls was really really fcuking hot. jesus. she complimented my outfit. actually many people did, men and women
i just wear a hat to cover the thinning. life is good when you are attractive.
one thing i notice is that women are making the first moves these days, when i was younger i was the one trying to get laid. now it just comes to me.
sorry to all the ugly people
>>510869244>>510869419worst thing is im serious too. id love the chance to be offered a high paying job with the only requirement being i take a few years to learn properly. within a year or two id have mist of the knowledge needed and would just be working to be as efficient with my time after that. i said if the world hadnโt collapsed by the time im 45 i will go back to full time work because living with my mother is ok but i need a retirement fund quicker, just in case things go tits up.
>>510869488that ai wont get 3 ethereum for a drawing bro <3
youre full of shit nigger, this is not leddit im 170 iq tier, this fucking robot wont do shit.
>>510855898please stop being so retarded. you could have easily "found a mate," gotten divorce raped and ended up miserable all the same. duh stop pretending you "could have had some fairy tale life if x"
>>510869389please do it, i know other anons hate me cause i live with me mam and i have no children but i do like helpin people if i can and im quite good at it. i think helping people of my race is the next best thing cause having children is like 80% not going to happen and iโve accepted it, i just sometimes think to get a woman and try before im 45.
>>510869669I don't think women care about your hair thinning as long as they think you don't care either
>just learn X bro
>just do X bro
>just wait for X bro
no. no iโm done. nothing deserves my time or effort any more. i didnt get what i wanted so now you get nothing from me.
>>510869747It's totally possible but you gotta look in your area. Good luck man.
>>510869584Not entirely true. AI will take a section of work and make it no longer on the market, those workers will then be forced upwards or out, this will make it harder for them to find jobs in their industry (as if there was much of an industry to begin with).
Sure the best of the best won't struggle but they never do, average and perfectly capable people are being fucked in one way or another.
>>510868952do you do twitch art? i would love some custom channel stuff. had one person contact me but they use ai i reckon.
>>510869225It's better to fix up your diet for testosterone than to take it as a supplement. Eat real food, and make sure it's loaded with dietary cholesterol, zinc, vitamin B12, and everything else you need to get all your micros in. Eggs and herbs are great, as are clams.
>>510869867thanks, will start asking about. my brother works as some parts manager at an auto o,ace and while he exaggerates his responsibilities to sound good he does know how to fix stuff. oh actually he got a new job driving buses but he could ask in the garage for me.
>>510855421 (OP)Dont be so negative. Go fix something
>>510869584>No good artist will be replaced by AIo yes they will. all it takes is some rando feeding your stuff into the algorithm.
>>510856706dont kill yourself just get another job, this one will be better. Dont worry. Work hard at this next one and in youre spare time work hard on a side hustle. Endure you can do it. Its tough but dont dont give up, 80 grand in savings is plenty.
>>510869956How the hell is a dog able to do all that? I'm more worried about dogs than AI desu.
>>510869778>that ai wont get 3 ethereum for a drawing bro <3the luckiest you'll ever get.
ai is already on video and music. you're doomed.
>>510869895twich channel art, no thanks. the last time i did something for a twitch streamer was a pain in the ass and he tried to cut corners when i gave him half the prize.
i sell my own shit, nothing else. no commissions anymore. you people make me crazy.
>>510869838Never judged people for living with senpai here, I live alone and feel like it would be better with my dad or brother as company but we somehow got into the "kick the kids out at 18" mentality when much of the world has family sticking close for life.
Don't give up on companionship, my dad remarried in his mid 60's to a lovely and kind lady and they've been living it up for like 8 years now
>>510870072Dogs are getting smarter, the secret nobody wants to talk about
>>5108700802 more weeks then im doomed!
>>510857426>Life is hard for almost everybodyI don't know about this, I would say life is genuinely hard if you have severe physical and/or mental disabilities, most "problems" are really just nothingburgers
>wahhhh i got divorced>wahhhh im a wageslave>wahhhh i get no pussy>im gonna kill myself wahhhThere are suicidefags that kill themselves for the most retarded reasons, unless you have locked in syndrome or become limbless, deaf, blind, and mute with zero hope of recovery, most suicides aren't worth it. So thinking life is hard is at least somewhat subjective, for example Chad with perfect health, wealth, and genetics may think his life is hard because he will never have sex with 2D women.
>>510870369okay if you're so confident in your drawings.
how's your air conditioner running?
>>510870402True. I felt bad one time for some reason, then in supermarket i saw a woman in weelchair barely able to move.
Right there i knew my problems werent as bad as i make them
>>510870487We dont have those in yuropoorland, we only use fans, sometimes
>>510870531Is nobody a "fan" of your work?
>>510870487how he is running? its not even on its 18c here its cold.
>>510870531how much would it cost to ship a window unit to you?
>>510870100>you peopleyou dont know what im like. ive been streaming for 6 hours lol fucking retarded cunt.
>>510869947i do eat but i still have low energy so ive upped my protein intake with nurishment shakes for an extra 20g. i eat eggs, bacon, granola, chicken n chips, coleslaw, peas and gravy every day.
>>510870577i checked the weather and you're having a cool summer.
you're still a faggot that thinks you know more than you do.
>>510870197>my dad remarried at 60sounds good. i havent given up per say, ive just given up actively chasing women. if i meet a woman and we click im open to that for sure, its the only way id date again desu. but yea, that other anon never came back so he was probably some paki in france stirring up shit.
>>510870626about 100 euros
>>510870626>>510870904its about 1000 dollars to ship a car, so.
>>510870829its 24c now my windows 11 tries to fuck with me. its very cool this year around. i had to close the window while shitposting because it was getting cold.
>>510870786it looks like $15-20 shipping from here.
i know it sounds like a scam but euros need ac.
>>510871251Are you an ac salesman?
>>510871251Btw you got 110 volts and we 240. Im not sure if itll work
>>510855421 (OP)>I have no shot at improving my lifeit's called crypto and you missed it too
>>510871464>too late for cryptoEthereum was 1700 euros 3 months ago, now its at 3190
>>510868204just dont marry her. latinas swell up 4x once they hit the wall... and its rare for any of them to look hot afterwards. Im married to a post wall millenial who had to go thru 3 years of gym to look passable, so I would know.