Thread 510883600

>>510883600 (OP)
you cant, there is no real defense against Dronespam.

>>510883825
>>510883600 (OP)
Isn't it like spamming submarines in a naval game? There has to be a counter to swarm type shitters

>>510883877
there is no air defense that can protect you from drone spam since they come from all directions at all times.
even if you had top tier high tech air defense stuff, it wouldnt take all that many drones to overhelm them.

>>510883600 (OP)
Create a bioweapon that targets Slavic genetics

>>510883600 (OP)
You stop being faggots, give Ukraine long-range missiles and let bomb the hell out of it.

>>510883963
That's amazing.
How do they get the target drone to remain perfectly still?
Hypnosis?

>>510884272
Why would you attack Israel like that?

>>510884319
And if you don't do it now. If you let Ukraine fall. They'll keep scaling it. Then it will be daily thousands spam of Shaheds, and they'll attack Europe after Ukraine.

>>510884398
you mean retarded and too expensive.
as it turned out you dont need expensive net launchers, you can simply tape a long stick to an FPV and fly that into the target.

>>510884319
lol
why aren't you allowed to, btw? and why do they let us

>>510884319
Says yivan, 26, hiding from conscription officers

>>510883600 (OP)
Kill the operators
Sabotage and destroy the manufacturers
Promote PsyOps that use current sentiment towards pro-human causes and link them with the inhumanity of such creations being used
Target infrastructure
Etc

>>510884519
fuck off and die faggot

>>510884412
Would a flipper be able to intercept it?

>>510883877
not at all, submarines are incredibly expensive and slow to build
while drones are fast and cheap to build

what you're saying "isnt aircraft carriers bit like mopeds"
no, they are not

the only way is to out-produce opfor and win via attrition. it's the drone equation. russia having china behind them, means it's mostly impossible to out-produce them.

expensive missiles don't really matter anymore.

>>510884521
>Fast paced aerial jousting is the future of warfare
RAD

>>510883600 (OP)
You dont. Can you retards see that every single non-elite lost a long time ago.

Enjoy the time you are given, and forget worrying about stuff you will NEVER change.

5 million lightweight solar powered non-networked drones could bring any country to its knees.

>>510884519
It's Kiev.

>>510884564
Not everyone is conscripted, particulary /pol/-age zoomers, you dumb inbred churka.

>>510884599
>In a stunning revelation, drone pilot reluctance to kill enemies from afar has led top brass to experiment with AI drone pilots
>The experiment was so successful that generals have asked the President for an additional $3b for onboard automated piloting systems
>China has in turn begun mass producing automated drones in a desperate bid to outpace American innovation
>Russia, though hampered by years of trade restrictions, has turned to simplified, but efficient AI pilot hardware based off of smartphone boards and cameras
>All because some chair force pansies got a bad feeling
>AI drone holocaust begins tomorrow

>>510884888
I'm sure a submarine isn't as expensive as an aircraft carrier, you pulled that one out your ass

>>510884519
Good Russia can have Europe too

The ukraine is corrupt and needs to fall

>>510885103
This isn’t a black and white argument, a submarine doesn’t have to be as expensive as an aircraft carrier to be many orders of magnitude more expensive than a single drone

New Shaheds already have 90kg TNT equivalent. That's basically a FAB-250 being able to fly hundreds if not thousands km and strike with high precision. It's also a HEIFC warhead (high explosive incendiary fragmentation cumulative). Very nasty combination.
If you let them runaway like that, you'll pay a huge price in the future.

>>510883963
>>510883825
lasers
where's my billion dollar contract

>>510885363
also you can just destroy their production facilities and eventually they run out
I should be paid for this

>>510883600 (OP)
Bullets are still cheaper than drones. They just need to be aimed better.

>>510885363
they just fly around your laser and then hit their target.
if your laser protects some high value target they will just blow it up with a ballistic missile and then send the drones.

Thankfully I’ve played Metal Gear Solid growing up and know chaff grenades disrupt eletronics

Build huge domes to protect your cities

>>510885320
And I'm not saying a submarine is as cheap as a drone with a gopro, I'm saying it's the equivalent of making a swarm of submarines instead of battleships and dreadnoughts and whatnot, which someone would say is an unconventional tactic

>>510885098
Based
I support this

>>510883963

Spiderdrone ! :D

>>510883600 (OP)
It is very easy to shut this down.
Russia runs on oil and gas so shut down their oil and gas business. Seize their oil tankers and blow up their oil and gas pipelines and terminals.

>>510885506
Iran's suicide torpedoes fit the bill

>>510885598
Then why live
We will just nuke you faggots

>>510885448
space lasers are uncounterable
nice try

>>510885826
also this is what starlink actually is

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
They go slower than WW2 aircraft?
Flak guns with auto tracking would work pretty well.

denazify and demilitarise, its not rocket science

>>510884195
Multiple solutions actually, but not for poor fag counties.

Dont worry. Next round of sanctions will stop this.

>>510885796
Why are there 35 russian terms for prison rape? You niggas be gay.

(This is actually not even a joke)

>>510883600 (OP)
>the front fell off

>>510883600 (OP)
how do you get a job in a place like this ???

>>510883600 (OP)
Blanket the skys with millions of hot air mines.

>>510884519
you forgot our countries are corrupt and rotten, its the governments that are the problem, they have been without regulation and are festering ripe with corruption, they work against us the native people day in day out and replace us with golems from beyond
we WANT them the scale it up and bring down the system
its the only way out of this mess as we are prisoners in this open air prison and the only one that can save it is outside, i.e. russia and or china

>>510883825
>Slow low flying aircraft are impossible to kill
20 5 inch gun shells per minute up to a range of almos 40 km, use air burst and proximity fuses and you'll wipe out a fleet in a matter of minutes.

>>510884519
>>510884319
death to ukraine you faggot poofter. i hope russia wins and cuts your balls off. you, personally.

>>510884519
Europe isn't a country. Who exactly am I defending? Coz I sure as hell am not defending israe- I mean Ukraine. Seriously Ukraine is more guilty of genocide than Israel and they are both red handed guilty.

>>510883600 (OP)
Step 1: bomb that factory.

>>510886933
>muh heckin pamestinianrinoos!!1
You're definitely an organic, right-wing White /pol/lack LMFAO

>>510883600 (OP)
I'm not fucking tell you lmao.

>>510883600 (OP)
1) find out where drone factory
2) send Storm Shadow to say hello
3) have tea and scones

>>510885352
>please gibs moneys or they'll come after you next!!
Zero evidence Russia will attack Europe after they've engulfed your shithole.
Suck it up buttercup- "we" dont give a shit about your plight.
Our financial stability and future does not revolve around the outcome of this war. "We" will be better off if you ceased to exist.

>>510886853
Problem here is you are using billions of dollars to protect yourself from a $100,000 attack.
The drones will bleed your army to death

>>510886853
>Get expensive fixed naval AA to defend yourself against drones
>Lose your expensive gun to a single cruise missile
There's a reason you don't have fixed place defense systems anymore, even the kikes learned that

>>510886853
Hollywood brainrot is real.
And here's the proof.

>>510883600 (OP)
Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.

>>510883600 (OP)
EMP

>>510887316
>>510883600 (OP)
A truck delivery to the right spot

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
with your FUCK HUEGE GDP

THATS HOW

>>510887316
A single drone is $100k. You can stop a single drone with any vehicle equipped with an autocannon. Drones aren't fundamentally new weapons, they're low speed, long range manually guided missile and susceptible to all the things those missiles are susceptible to, evasion, jamming, and intercepting. Hell given the range and launch method combined with speed you could just use fighters to keep strafing them when they use a massed attack you have a thousand kilometers to kill them all which would take five hours for them to traverse.

Also it's not like you're actively equipping shit with that gun to fight guns, a destroyer already has a deck gun.

>>510886294
Wut

>>510883600 (OP)
If these are one-off drones they should be made a lot simpler than that. No need for all the ribbing.
Tension should suffice.

>>510883600 (OP)
https://breakingdefense.com/2025/02/high-power-microwave-force-field-knocks-drone-swarms-from-sky/
Build your own
https://youtu.be/V6XdcWToy2c

>>510883963
You're going to have to multiply that by 20,000 to face the coming drones swarms.
Without a solution, aircraft carriers will be useless, even against a weak opponent.

>>510886153
>shoots for 2 seconds
next 24 hours cant be used because overheated and cannon melted

>>510884195
Not without some new technology.

>>510883600 (OP)
bomb it?

Damn I would love to work at a drone manufacturing factory

>>510883600 (OP)
Make your own. The difference is now, civilians have all the tech and ability to make devastating military hardware. You're stupid if you think you're gonna walk around with your guns and affect anything. You'll get bombed in seconds. You need to be forming your own mechanized arsenal. We all need to do our part.

>>510883600 (OP)
Think about 50 quadcopter drones coming to assassinate the President or some other official in some outdoor setting.
How would you stop it?

>>510888764
See, now this is a possible solution.

>>510886153
CIWS has enough ammo for 13 engagements max. America had three carrier fleets near Yemen and they were all forced out by small daily drone attacks.

>>510886153
Nice vector weaponry, but have you considered using scalar weaponry? Think about it: all 4 motors of the drone are spinning at a natural frequency of X rpm's. Merely point a really powerful microwave weapon or acoustic speaker at the drone and blast it with a sound of identical pitch (X rpm's) and the resonant feedback loop would cause the electric motors and plastic propellers themselves to shatter. It would be like a sonic shotgun specifically targeting the flying capabilities of the drone

>>510888987
The only thing civilians will not have access to is the explosives.
The hardware/software will be readily available.

>>510886853
Why didn't this work against Yemen?

>>510883600 (OP)
with interceptor drones.

>>510888151
Anon, the shaed drones cost at the highest $50k, and the FPV ones don't even break $1k, and those are buy prices, if you make them in house the costs are exponentially lower.

>>510884519
nothing ever happens, they just needed to make room for some jews and male lives are not considered human so this whole war will be forgotten within 5 years

Blow the factory instead of playing fake and gay war of attrition games with peoples lives.

> AAAA REMOTE CONTROL AIRPLANES

>>510883825
Just wait out the battery?

Confuse the sensors so they crash into the ground.

>>510883600 (OP)
Water cannon.

>>510888151
All of the solutions you listed are more expensive than the drones. You also forgot that the current gen of drones have fiber optic cables for control, or else optical terminal guidance (as in Yemen).

>>510883600 (OP)
I shoot skeet with multiple clay pigeon launchers all at the same time with an AK with a 90 round drum. I have multiple AK's so I can switch in a barrel overheat and or jam.
Launch away bitch.
Make sure you don't run out.

Just do whatever the Houthis are doing. Hide in caves for 20 years until they get tired and leave.

>>510883600 (OP)
drone them back retard

Asymmetrical warfare

>>510883600 (OP)
as someone who knows nothing about drones, can't you just EMP them? surely shielding for that either already exists or is being developed but making them more expensive to make is also an effective way of reducing their numbers to something manageable with other methods

>>510889778
they would just attack from different angles that are impossible for you to hit.
also even if you hit them the chance the explosive goes off near you and sends shrapnel into your ballsack is also very high.

>>510885098
We all voted for this

>>510889254
The ccp (plus others) used dei to halt western progress but that only worked industrially, individuals have still progressed by themselves.
We have reached a place where people are bypassing industry at home.

>>510886294
List them all if you're such a Russian language expert. Or are you gonna admit that you're talking out of your ass?

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
Hit the factories with your own drones.

>>510883600 (OP)
the escalation will be cool. light anti air. jammers. emps.

maybe the answer is 100% less tanks and 5,000,000% more bullets. the changes to cost curves also change the barriers to entry. America can save a lot of money by saving F35s and using cheap stuff like drones and ukrainians.

>>510883877
>OMG ISNT THIS JUST LIKE MY HECKIN VIDEO GAMERINOS?
You will never be a woman.

>>510883600 (OP)
the houthis somehow managed

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
nuke israel

>>510883825
Yes there is, just like missile spam or fighter plane spam... you bomb the factories/airbases where they produce/land at lol. Granted, its pretty hard to do that but that is the meta to beating them.

>>510884519
Not my problem

>>510890872
Would you rather I say book, or movie, or painting, or video on youtube? Fuck off pig

>>510885219
Tovarish, comrade!

>>510884519
kindly fuck off and die

>>510885796
>We will just nuke you faggots
I seem to have struck a nerve.
That won't happen for one very good reason - to end the war, all Russia must do is stop attacking Ukraine.

>>510886573
This is the most entertaining solution so lets do it.

>>510889374
this guy has some ideas

>>510883600 (OP)
Electronic warfare.
These are only possible because of GPS, GLONASS.

>>510888151
>A single drone is $100k
maybe in your corrupt shithole
the cost is like 30k and can even be lowered if the gov wants to pay production value
but nooo we gotta have 5-6 jewish middlemen and boomers who cock suck them

people like you are the reason they keep sending billions to israel

>>510883600 (OP)
With a net, thats how

>>510891604
I don't even care lmao, I live only day by day
If shit happens, I will only we be happy, cuz all westoids will be fucked and all their hypocrisy will be fucked by harsh reality

>>510884195
AI automated AA turrets could do it, but our Military Industrial Complex is too corrupt or incompetent.

Just cheap 1950's style 50mm anti aircraft machine gun systems but powered by AI and modern radars

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
The drone problem was literally solved in a children's book's prequel.

>>510884519
Good, please die faster so they can topple the EU next.

>>510885598
You know Russia has a submarine fleet and could sink our tankers too, right?

Plus it's all moot because it would probably go nuclear

>>510883600 (OP)
Im sure we're working on or already have something thatll defet this. I dunno. Imagine these the size of a big wasp with little charges on them. Now imagine these being deployed from these in the picture by the hundreds of thousands.

>>510883600 (OP)
these aren't that scary and I'll explain why as an army guy.
loitering munition drones, especially the shahed and geran variant, have about a 10% average operational success rate. this can further drop to 0.1% against specialized ADS as proven in the iran-Israel war.
with a focus on being cheap mass production, the electronics used are unsophisticated to the point they are actually improvised from off-the-shelf items like calculators and pumps, naturally this means barely any back up systems or jam protection. as for the warhead, it is too small (50kg) to cause collateral and infrastructure damage, so when they hit they will kill but rarely cause big damage. for example take all the pictures of apartment buildings with single rooms blown out in Ukraine-the building itself is fine.
it is my belief that the east misunderstood the role of LMs from conception. they saw their success in American campaigns but missed the point that this weapon type is heavily reliant on having a technological advantage over your enemy. because of this the weapon does not achieve meaningful strategic results against modern military targets, as it's easy to disable with electronic/kinetic countermeasures that were already deployed side by side with modern military assets.
this inability to penetrate defenses forces loitering munitions into a terror attack role on undefended civilians. but even this is not a good application, as you pay approx $50-200k+launch cost to destroy a single apartment or a car and maybe kill a few civilians-so it's still not economically or strategically viable unless you're gambling on winning a war through civilian attrition, which efficacy is also debatable as studies into the effects of attacks on civilians suggest they entrench pro war sentiment, not scare the population into peace.

in essence LM drones are the military equivalent of throwing a tantrum and hitting the drywall with your fist because you're too short to reach your opponent.

>>510888822
FPV and quadcopter drones need a human pilot. They don't carry enough electronics inside for autonomous flight, so each 1 drone means 1 drone controller. Their effectiveness relies on their expendability, not in their ability to saturate a target with simultaneous attacks. They also have a low altitude ceiling and no protection, to the extent that a hunting shotgun is an effective countermeasure

The larger gliding drones used for strategic attacks are autonomous, but still have a low altitude ceiling and relatively low air speed. They are vulnerable to kinetic AA solutions like autocannons, flak and even machineguns. You can't 'saturate' autocannons or miniguns the way you can saturate a missile-interceptor system.

We use missiles as anti-air primarily because cruise/ballistic missiles and aircraft fly high enough and fast enough to negate kinetic systems. Drones cannot.

And you may be thinking "b-but russia drones ukrainian cities constantly!"
But you should be asking yourself why, after 3+ years and literally tens of thousands of drones, has russia been unable to cripple Ukraine's own wartime drone production, logistics or even their power infrastructure. It's because drones cannot penetrate protected airspace and cannot overwhelm air defenses. Russia and Ukraine have both relied on striking non-strategic targets in an attempt to divert air defenses away from strategic targets, which their drones are unable to successfully strike. But in practice these terror strikes have had little impact on the war effort.

Drones are not some magical wunderwaffe. Their outsized impact is a direct result of the fact that their primary countermeasures have been obsolete for decades and are in short supply

>>510883600 (OP)
I do have an easy as fuck obvious solution. But fucked if I post it here for the feds to copy. I want them dead. Fuck that. Traitors defend subhumans and child rapists, not helping them develop anything.

You faggots can beg the subhumans to 'develop' counters. I will rather watch you fuck's get droned on 4k while beating it to pony porn.

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
By having better and more imaginative AI generated images, obviously.

>>510883600 (OP)
the muttmongos can just bomb our pipelines but the xinks can do whatever the fuck they want. the west is shit and has lost its course.

>>510892899
How are you gonna jam fibre optic drones?
Btw, ukraine rn is polluted with fibre optic cables, they can't even track direction by cable

>>510884519
You guys didn't kill the jews and the jew loving faggots who took over and started saying you had to defend them. Not my problem. I consider you fuckers cowards and idiots.

The jew is the problem. Period. You ignored that and decided fighting your cousins for the jews was anything remotely a valid option. Ukraine as a poli is now utterly over. Not our problem now. Enjoy occupation by whoever does it, jews will continue to sacrafice your children to moloch after raping them btw. The muzzies will steal your children to rape and breed them. The russians, pretty much will rebuild you.

Stupid gotta die sometimes. Enjoy burning in moloch heaven.

>>510892899
>Turns out slow moving drones aren't effective when they have to travel 4000km and you have half of every jet in NATO shooting them down along the way

>>510893722
it's crazy to think that the immense cleanup of the dead fibre optic fields of ukraine will be a part of "why war bad" history books in 100 yrs

>>510884319
Die in a fire.
Oh wait.

>>510893410
>But you should be asking yourself why, after 3+ years and literally tens of thousands of drones, has russia been unable to cripple Ukraine's own wartime drone production, logistics or even their power infrastructure
Because it's a first in the world cuck warfare. Both sides aren't allowed to do decisive attacks.
Ukraines arms manufacturing power is coming from EU countries. Also Cucktin can't strike objects generating electricity, he strikes only substations that redistribute power. They then easily changed by infrastructure coming from EU.
Heck, even US is paying to ukrainian people all pensions and other social gibs.

>>510886153
Point defense systems will be overwhelmed by multiple swarms.

>>510893582
Having made an INCREDIBLE amount of AI porn, I am qualified to say that I'm not really seeing any indicators of AI image generation, at least in the OP's pic. The mechanical components are too uniform, likewise the airframes are identical regardless of orientation to the camera. The open airframe doesn't really have anything out of place, and even good models are terrible at dealing with loose cable harnesses like we're seeing. This just looks like a pretty well run arms factory with more of a focus on manual assembly than automation. I wish we had more places like this here, then at least some of the pork constantly thrown at Lockheed, Raytheon, et al, would filter to normal people via wages. Looks like a comfy, if strict, workspace.

USA has an EMP weapon Dolls....

Drone spamming will be dealt with handily...

Murrica. Fuck yeah

>>510884519
(((NATO's))) goyim death march in the Ukraine is yet another jewish ritual mass murderfest. A holocaust for lord Yahweh.

>>510893722
FPVs are highly effective and not the same beast at all

>>510887761
>chinks start selling fake chinesium bolts for aircraft
>100s of people die when one breaks
>now we have to trace every single aspect of making every single piece of hardware for certified aircraft
>even bolts are traced back to the ore they were made from
fucking chinks man

If the U.S. had any fucking sense, we'd mind our own business and not have to worry about this. If they hit us domestically regardless, just spam something like picrel at their nation's capital and major metro areas until they stop

I fart even when I dont eat

>>510895420
nato'S?? kIKES KNOW EVENTUALLY THEY GET OVERRUN BY SAND NIGGERS OR GLASSED in Izrahell.

They are prepapring to move to Joocrane and Chile/South Murrica for a LONG time.

Who woulda thunk 110 would actually be Israhell???

>>510889679
>All of the solutions you listed are more expensive than the drones.
Who gives a shit? No wonder Russia is stalemated by a country smaller and poorer than Mexico when they're trying to do a cost efficiency analysis on how to kill tanks and soldiers instead of choosing the most effective solution. Also no, a few cannon rounds are cheaper than a drone, if you're gonna use the entire cannon or vehicle itself than might as well claim most military hardware is stupid.

I have a transformer from a microwave oven. Tuned it will utterly destroy any cell phone operating at 2.4ghz withing 10 feet.

An 800watt microwave oven transformer...

Scale up and act accordingly

>>510891604
Victoria Nuland (jew) started the Ukraine war

>>510883600 (OP)
>1 post by this id
Killing jews is the only way.

>>510895962
Drink kefir, bifacil or other shit to fix your microflora in your tummy anon

>>510883877
in ra1, you just buy a bunch of smaller gunboats. Submarines can't 1 on 1 some naval ships without taking the first shot. Submarines are also expensive, and usually you're up against opponents that have a base prebuilt and infinite resources.

>>510884519
Good

>>510883825
cut off the money supply and production, and drone material, or go where no drone can go

>>510883600 (OP)
You prepare 10 different cheap countermeasures which force the drone to protect against them, making it so expensive that expensive countermeasures are economical.

>>510883600 (OP)
counter drone swarm to shoot down the drones, they need to be automated though, so when radar detects a drone swarm you anti drone swarm them

>>510883825
>>510892899
>$50-200k+launch cost to explode a single kike into Hell
Fund it.

>>510883600 (OP)
But not being a propaganda coonsooming dutchfag

>>510883600 (OP)
By just not doing what they say lol. I'm just not gonna do it lmao.

>>510896616
>M-MUH GEEDEEPEE
Didn't know Americans unironically believed you can just feed dollar bills into a universal constructor and watch weapons go out the other side. Try flooding Houthis with cash, maybe this time you'll actually beat them.

>>510883825
Total Zogbot Death!!!

>>510889440
proof?

>>510883963
That will never work against a MOVING military drone. Those things fly fast, really fast. Your only hope really is to disrupt the sensors and cameras.

>>510883600 (OP)
By targeting secondary sanctions on anyone who buys Russian oil.
But this would lead to higher oil prices and nobody is willing to pay 0.10$ more at the gas station to wipe Russia off the map.
In fact, it would be that simple.

If your budget is entirely supported by oil exports then that can hurt.

>>510885076
> Not everyone is conscripted
And that's a shame! Why even do we send costly weapons to Ukraine if they think they can fight a comfy luxury war?

>>510885219
I wonder if Europe became any less corrupt under Russian rule but it's definitely worth a try.

>>510898503
to get tg vids of russians getting their ass droned away? Kek
I see it like a netflix subscription

>>510884398
If the drone operator is looking at targets on the ground he won't notice the hunter-killer drone approaching from above.

>>510883600 (OP)
Emp, wind turbine, water hose, signal jammer

>>510898446
>In fact, it would be that simple.
Almost as simple as the brain of a NAFO faggot which tries to process Trump cucking out of secondary sanctions in like a day of proposing the idea.

>>510889374
But how long can it work? In longer engagements the more high tech the faster its out of commision. seen China use drone swarms. The can make 500k a day. Just imagine a day worth of drones swarming an enemy position you just explode.

>>510883600 (OP)
Spoiler: you won't

USA is rn testing Epirus Leonidas that supposed to melt swarm drone electronics

>>510898396
2 times a carrier fleet fled the place losing 3 f18 when they turned (allegedly). Not proof enough?

>>510883825
>there is no real defense against Dronespam.
smaller interceptor drones or shooting.

>>510895809
What are you talking about? Also why is US buying stuff from China? The place they want to destroy because they cant compete.

Why not fly 2 massive drones with a net between them, like those deepsea trawlers?

>>510898798
are you even polish or one of those mongolian resettled russians who now live in western poland as polish?
Which photo do your facial features resemble?

>>510898958
Let me guess all they have is a cheap xbox video game animation of it shooting down drones?

>>510885363
> lasers
Don't work in bad weather. Don't kill targets instantly. Require costly technology, can't be produced in large numbers.
Require technology for tracking hundreds of small low flying drones concurrently and assign each one as a target to one of the many lasers you would have to deploy.

>>510883600 (OP)
>Emp triggered at 50 km high
Now everyone's tracking and electronics are fucked and you are all sitting in the dark with the odds even
Snake plissken was right

>>510899273
Attack drones usually fly low, you would be in danger of catching high buildings or power poles with your sagging net.

>>510899085
no, not at all.

>>510883600 (OP)
>HURRRR ONLY RUSSIA HAS LE PRODUCTION LINES

jesus this fucking place

Modern anti air canon with airbust munitions.

>>510899649
Lasers work great in vacuum but shitty in dense atmosphere.

>>510883600 (OP)
>>510883825
>you cant, there is no real defense against Dronespam
Proper ECM, AA and active countermeasures on armored vehicles.

>>510885363
>its raining
>its snowing
>its foggy
better hope they only fight war on clear days

>>510900009
Ok glowie.

>>510883600 (OP)
Of course you can defeat them. But I'm an American citizen who will always side with the home team; so I'm not going to explain on the internet how you do it.

>>510900302
that's just the truth. your (alleged) story is just that. alleged. there was a whole period where you people were claiming that an aircraft carrier was sank and you spammed the board about it for a week straight.

>>510900302
>>510900603

>>510884519
>and they'll attack Europe after Ukraine.
Proofs?

>>510888764
>https://breakingdefense.com/2025/02/high-power-microwave-force-field-knocks-drone-swarms-from-sky/
>The Army has tested our HPM technology upways and downways with all their threats that are relevant to these fights overseas – not to mention the fights domestically starting to happen – and we have 100-percent effectiveness
>not to mention domestic use
They are going to set these up around sports arenas and public gatherings to protect from drones. Have fun getting microwaved at a Taylor Swift concert.

>>510883600 (OP)
Emps prolly

>>510889374
>sonic scalar weapons
The principle is sound. This Anon fucks.
The biggest issue is maintaining enough transmitters in line of sight.

>>510900846
Russian fiber optic drones can't be stopped by EMP's

>>510883600 (OP)
best drone killers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCQx-xC9RZo

specially if that Nena song starts playing in the background

>>510901110
>distance = 20 km or less
who gives a fuck?

>>510883600 (OP)
if this is so effective, why is ukraine not doing it?

>>510885103
Retard

>>510901324
>who gives a fuck?
ukrainians

>>510883600 (OP)
Defensively, I can't really think of much beyond anti-aircraft nets and anti-aircraft ordinance. Offensively, though, I'd say that bombing the ever living shit out of the factories producing the drones and airstrips they're launching from should be pretty effective.

>>510900603
>>510900662
Never said they were hit retard. They left the place 2 times. And the f18?

>>510884519
>and they'll attack Europe after Ukraine
Implying that it would be a bad thing

>>510883600 (OP)

Signal jammers?

>>510885103

Subs are definately more expensive than jets to build and require more people(human capitol)to operate.

>>510887304
There is evidence and historical precedent, but you burgers don't want to see it, because it would mean have have to uphold your end of the deal.

Beginning to see why the elites needed trustless contracts, you cannot be relied upon. USA is more and more looking like a fairweather ally.

>>510887761
This is why I laugh when American's bring up their GDP in relation to conflicts. American GDP is a "Potemkin GDP".

>>510883825
>you cant, there is no real defense against Dronespam.
Starcraft solution to zerg rush is AoE damage, it's not popular with minecraft militaries due to collateral damage, but they may forgive that if it offers a better advantage.

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
Don't need to use depleted uranium rounds for drones, just make a bunch of these that fire .223 or .308 caliber. CIWS fires rounds in a grid formation like a net to hit the target, it's perfect for a phalanx system.

>>510902541
but you know they can use inertial guidance?

>>510898958
At this point just paint a big red target on it

>>510900268
this. unless they're going to operate all of these with fiber optics (limiting their range and maneuverability) they're vulnerable to advanced EW.

>>510893757
>Ukraine started the war
Kill yourself Moshe.

>>510901509
Faggot, "muh air carriers"

>>510883600 (OP)
The Civilian Marksmen program will be mandatory for all citizens from 18 on up. Skee shooting interest will skyrocket. A Entire nation of trained shooters will rise.

>>510883600 (OP)
There is no defense

>you just shoot them down retard

Shooting down a $10,000 drone with a $2 million missile

>use flak

Nightime, plus flak is literally more expensive after a few minutes of shooting

>>510902951

The really expensive ones probably can, but is the target always worth using the really expensive ones?

>>510883877
You a fucking retard if you think war in video games is even remotely similar to real war

>>510902541
You people are really trying to gaslight me into thinking three fucking carriers are equal to three submarines or something, that's insane

>>510884319

Shut the fuck up and get in the trenches, piglet, the sooner last of you hohol swine dies, the better for the world.

>>510897652
9 out of 10 fail, many without even shooting them down (to ECM/bad quality)
so it's more like $500k to $2M for a single death

>>510885442
not really. Russia has gotten the cost down to about $10,000

Thats 2 1/2 Clips of 40mm Bofors Anti Aircraft ammunination btw

>>510883600 (OP)
THIS

>>510883600 (OP)
Once Cyberdyne Skynet goes on line humanity ends.
The earth will be able to recover and after an extended period of grace human existence will be re-evaluated for any contribution it could possibly make going forward.

>>510903259
Proof? I dont see many failed Shaheeds laying in fields. And many of them have been launched

>>510883600 (OP)
With bullets.

>>510903197
Guess what faggot, first they did it in simulations, now they do it here, strapping bombs on drones was just as broken there as it is here. Might as well never talk about anything without actively working deep in that sector

>>510883600 (OP)

You could easily make them with some forethought you could mash out loads in a day if you had the right ideas, Which i do.

>>510902541
>Signal jammers?
They are autonomous.

>>510903391
do they even use gps or its modern gyroscope magic?

>>510903473
i would design a dual system that uses gps and a backup gyroscope when gps signal fails

>>510903342
You mash out loads in a day?

>>510884521
youd get better protection to armour by covering the fucking thing in bamboo like a porcupine, LOL

>>510885352
copper deformers for pen, not taking any chances there fucking pointing every which way.

>>510902081
>They left the place 2 times
yeah? how long were they deployed?

>>510902602
If we had not staged a coup in Ukraine this war would not be going on right now. Russia's military would still consist of outdated garbage and be inexperienced. But if you poke a bear long enough you sooner or later of course face the aggressive being you always claimed there is.

>>510886477
You have to live in a country that has jobs.

>>510883825
this isn't actually true

there are gun systems that can target drone swarms in parallel with flak using quantum annealers to detect the "center mass" for maximum effect on target, we're just not allowed to talk about it

>>510883825
I play Stellaris, there is literally no defense against nanite ships since they have no upkeep and only cost minerals. You can spam thousands of them and eventually everything will break. Quantity > quality. This is the same thing, spamming thousands if not millions of low quality drones with a rudimentary chipset and a motor. Decades of strategic positioning in the trash.

>>510883600 (OP)
RF jammers. MASERs. Industrial fans. Acoustic weapons. High intensity flood lights.

>>510889374
please delete this post

>>510883825
flak cannons or specialized anti-air shotguns. ez

>>510883600 (OP)
The same way we defeat it on 4chan

>>510903322
the best proof is just looking at the construction of these things, it is incredibly shoddy. but you don't even need that, you can deduce that if it's cheap you are paying the price elsewhere, right?
here are some pictures of failed gerans, there's a lot more and they're pretty easy to find.

>>510903322
last one

>>510904002
Based

>>510884519
>If you let Ukraine fall.
ukraine already fell nigger, thanks that to Nato.

>>510883600 (OP)
Regular airplanes and helicopters shoot them down easily. Iran hit with only a single drone during their 12 day war with Israel. The problem Ukraine faces is that they had barely any airforce at all when the war started, and Russia has long range anti-air systems so they can only fly in restricted areas.
tl;dr Air supremeacy is the cure for drone spam

>>510904434
>Iran hit with only a single drone during their 12 day war with Israel
According to Israel

>>510883600 (OP)
you call the drones racist or antisemetic, then they will have to stop attacking you

>>510884519
>Puccia is going to win against an entity consisting of 450 million people that have 22 trillion in GDP.

You understand that the EU can simply BUY all the metal produced on earth for 10 years, right?.
Go ahead, build weapons with no metal.

You´re Cuckranian, you simply do not understand economic scaling.
There are things Russia simply cannot do because they run out of money or manpower, or both.

The EU, US, and China can do those things.

>>510887477
>western glowniggers bad
>eastern glowniggers good

>>510902873
anything more than small arms fire is prohitively expensive compared to the cost of the drone. phalanx is pretty cheap but still more expensive than what they're shooting down, you'd have to take out a drone every 3-5 seconds to break even. electronic warfare is the only cost effective defense.

>>510883600 (OP)
Those factories have an address, you know...

>>510903391

Nothing is completely autonomous and have a 100% success rate.

>>510889598
Wars are fought to kill people now, not win. It's the equivalent of two duelists striking each others swords rather than each other, pretty tiresome.

>>510886037
Sure, but gps guided, low altitude swarms of hundreds, if not thousands, traveling through streets and valleys instead of at 10000 feet, will render those defenses useless.
WW3 is going to be a complete slaughter on both sides. Well on track for 2030.

>>510904899
True if you're looking at a prolonged engagement but look who is operating said drones, we have the capital to afford such things and the means to cut off our enemies from resources. Electronic warfare is only effective if you produce every ounce of technology used within it, this means not enriching your enemies like China who are making circuit boards almost exclusively these days. We could solve half of the world's problems by just bombing Chinese electronics manufacturers and foreign investment banks, world trade would grind to a crawl in a weeks time and die.

>>510883877
yes, i learned a true lesson when playing a RTS game against a spam type shitter.
a) intel: you have to know where the source of the spam production is
b) you have to figure out the likely route the spam wave is going to take
c) you counter-spam defense systems (artillery guns) along the most likely route
because spam shitters are focused on producing quantity for one massive directional wave attack they often ignore the flanks. you have to funnel their drone swarm into a cauldron of counter-artillery spam and whittle them down then parallelly prepare an attack on their spam source with high quality specialty troops which can slip through the spamsters sloppy radar and take out the source then you press on and destroy as much as you can while taking back air superiority.
tldr: strategy beats spam

Drones are going to end up being looked at the same way as nerve gas and bio war.
Drone operators should be given white feathers and spit on.

>>510897909
Good to know China won't be fielding anti-drone measures because any system would cost more than a single drone and will have no escort ships for its carriers because a destroyer costs more than a jet fighter.

>>510884519
>>510884319
This nigga still thinks anyone cares about Ukraine.

>>510883877
>Isn't it like spamming submarines in a naval game? There has to be a counter to swarm type shitters

and what are you gonna do when your resources run out ? reproduce inside a submarine ?

>>510883877
>>510909155
It's wild that nobody saw this coming considering that it's the default Russian tactic.

>>510883600 (OP)
Guys in this thread are so smart. You should suggest something to Ukraine. Even their propaganda number generator can't shutdown 50% of drones

>>510883600 (OP)
cruise missile spam the fagtory

>>510907847
I know people who do.
My eastern European friends do.
And they also drag in some brony from Maryland to the conversation because why not?

>>510910132
They dragged in the DRONE OPERATOR

>>510907847
Donated to a squad with some bombs to do my part and help them in their quest to blow up ziggers

>>510883825
aa12 with birdshot

>>510910132
>brony
Checks out.

>>510910235
It worked wonders anon.

>>510885723
>Neger
>died 1945 in Germany
>reborn 2025 in Iran
>welcome back Neger

>>510883600 (OP)
it's the new GERAN-3, speed 700 km/h, autonomy 2500 km

>>510910341
Isn't birdshot low range?

>>510899237
It's more because the CCP is acting like russia wrt expanding and aggressing against neighbors
With recent US chimpouts of course credibility is lower (and the middle east wars were bullshit too - though fuck Iraq for invading Kuwait after failing to get any betterment by starting a stupid war and fuck Kuwait for being a creditor to Iraqs previous war desu) but even then whant china and russia do is still far worse than what the US did - real, misconstrued or imagined
Fucke em still though, especially that lying smarmy pudgy ozempic golem jeetfucker

>>510902873
This kind of system is only really good for point defense at low altitudes
Recently the rusnigger drones started fyling higher and diving down to target
You need some sort of cheap rocket drone for that stuff, CIWS doesn't scale to many areas and targets

>>510903113
That crash was investigated and it was a technical malfunction
Even in the sim landings failed like in the high 90% or something if I recall correctly and am not mixing anything up about your vague unsourced and uncritical retardniggerbait post

>>510910357
>It worked wonders anon.
It really does, there's a good chance I did a minor part in helping kill 1-2 invading chimpout vatniggers and it's a good feeling.

>>510910235
You got to sign the bomb?

>>510911090
We should gadhaffi putin for what he's done

>>510884519
And that's a bad thing why?

>>510883600 (OP)
You could bomb the factory

>>510883600 (OP)
Human kind has put *so much resources* into building worthless useless garbage, that if a fraction of this work and resources were spent on something virtuous, that we would be living in a Eutopia

>>510883600 (OP)
Neither country in this conflict has a capable airforce so all they do is lob missiles and drones at eachother. They hit something, somewhere. NATO has functioning airforces that would give Russia a run for its money and be looking to take out these factories asap.

>>510883600 (OP)
Destroy their drone manufacturing capabilities

>>510911876
That's the solution isn't it? Goons have to come to their house, guys that have mapped the place for 20 years and get activated for that moment

>>510901324
That's about the radio reception range of a normal drone.

>>510891392
Poles act like the biggest faggots when Russia is mentioned. It's your biggest weakness.

>>510912861
....'gina.

>>510912861
kek>>510913140

>>510903919
Nafaggots seethe at this comment

>>510903919
>t. mohammed

>>510903919
Ukraine has been turned into a military-industrial garbage chute, they decided to re-enact Verdun

>>510883600 (OP)
russia have done playing games

>>510883600 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orbzTpqlBok

>>510883600 (OP)
emh not my problem

>>510883600 (OP)
An EMP can fry any device, including the gazillion drones you launch. Jammers can also be very useful, although some more expensive drones have the technology to avoid losing the signal.

>>510884519
Lot's of seething russniggers itt.
Can't wait for this faggot war to end so all you pidors can go back to sniffing glue after your proxies aren't paid anymore.

>>510883600 (OP)
>How are you supposed to win against this?
>>510883825
>you cant, there is no real defense against Dronespam.
Signal jammer. Drone weakness is that it's remotely controlled.

>>510910415
mighty Nippon enters the chat with Kaiten

>>510884519
Rather be invaded by the Russians than keep the leaders we have now, thanks.
Can't be worse than shitskins, niggers and covert communism being rolled out.

>>510886037
>They go slower than WW2 aircraft?
>Flak guns with auto tracking would work pretty well.

turns out that doesnt work faggot
now what?

>>510914507
optical fiber

>>510883963
>>510883877
>>510883825

Electo
Magnetic
Pulse

Tongue my anus, thanks for the spare parts

>>510889598
>Blow the factory instead of playing fake and gay war of attrition games with peoples lives.
lmao the absolute state of faggot nigger nato logic

>"nato could defeat Russia on the battlefield in an instant but it chooses not to but it could in 2 hours if it wanted to but for now it just doesnt want to (but it could)"

it turns out "just destroy the factory!"
is fucking impossible, just like every nato solution to problems posed in this war
>"just destroy the SU-34s on the runway BEFORE they launch the FAB! EASY!"
>"just destroy the iskander TEL before it launches! so fucking easy!"

and precisely nothing has worked out the way nato predicted NOTHING
not even
>"just drive AROUND the minefield"
worked
none of natos master plans worked

>>510911757
This pic still makes me kek when I see it

>>510914793
Ah, so the Japanese had suicide torpedos too
It's so grim it wraps back into being funny

>>510883600 (OP)
Scatter supercharged tungsten particles?