Its self-destructive by design. It needs external or eternal enemies to exist. Once it runs out of them it starts eating itself.

>>510904020
it's destructive, not self-destructive

>>510903828 (OP)
I don't want that North Korea shit, simple as

>>510904112
One eventually leads to the other. It either makes too many enemies and gets crushed by them or destroys itself trying to find enemies within itself.

It's socialism.

>>510903828 (OP)
I wonder what could happen if you tried it

>>510904020
Which is a claim you could make about any ideology. Even radical individualists are on a constant crusade against "collectivists"

>>510903828 (OP)
euthanasia is bad, not very "national socialist"
persecuting couples that were brainwashed was a bad implementation, either you love your kind that did mistakes or you simply hate your kind
should have just stay in their lane

>>510904020
>>510904112
>>510904197
Disingenuous. Try again.

>>510904363
phoneposter
don't try again

>>510904262
>If we don't coddle the rich they might go somewhere else, so the only solution is to engage in a race to the bottom for who can roll over and expose their bellies to them most enthusiastically

>>510903828 (OP)
national socialism requires central planning or state direction
that might work, or seem to work, in very homogenous societies
you need very homogenous societies with very capable and smart leadership
these are nearly impossible over the long run
a much easier alternative is an authoritarian system with a market economy
that will last longer. you can still marginalize minorities, but up to economic limits.

>>510904020
The enemy can be internal(spiritual) you raging faggot

yes they lost

No political ideology has had its image so thoroughly destroyed by (((them))) as this one has, because they realized that it is the apex of the white man's capabilities. If left unrestrained, it is unstoppable.

It's only weakness is a weak leader and corruptible inner circle.

>>510903828 (OP)
>They fought jews and lost
>Thats why you should never fight jews
Nevermind that the US and Britain allied with and fought for jews but our civilizations were still destroyed.

Mandatory conscription
>NS is completely right about race, somewhat right about economic issues, and completely wrong about the level of government control

>>510903828 (OP)
Would the food be good?

>>510904455
now you've got it. Hope that puts your socialist dreams to rest

>>510904020
>Its self-destructive by design. It needs external or eternal enemies to exist. Once it runs out of them it starts eating itself.
Absolute horseshit, it worked fucking amazingly in Australia turning this literal wasteland in a paradise with one of the highest standards of living in record time.

It was neither destructive, nor self destructive, in fact the abolition of the white Australia policy and snuffing out of national socialism is what has destroyed Aus.

>>510903828 (OP)
No.

>>510904591
>kick jews out
>lose
>invite jews in
>lose

The problem for the National Socialists is that jews controlled other more powerful countries. It's a catch 22 though because jews would have destroyed Germany either way. It's better to fight and lose than to lose without fighting. Look at modern day America for example.

>>510904020
What a brainlet take. You obviously don't know NS.

>>510903828 (OP)
No NS is perfect and AH is literally send by god
Say Hitler is King now.

>>510903828 (OP)
No.

>>510903828 (OP)
Most of it happened during a war with the Soviets. So most of it was based on either winning that war, or everyone was gonna die in a Bolshevik (90% jewish political party in control of Russia) purge, such as the Holodomor, which killed 10 million Ukrainian peasant farmers. So rounding up random German men (not jews or anything else) off the street to send them to hard labor camps to make weapons to beat the enemies of the state is not a form of government anyone wants to live under. Because that would suck. But we don't have an example of the same government during peace time to compare it to.
Also, another counter argument is that China currently has national socialism and it sucks there and we all hate it.

>>510904262
nothing.
you just freeze ALL their assets and wealth like they did with russians.
What are they gonna do? magically vanish their ID'ed electronic wealth transfers?

>>510905145
welcome to the communist party. Things go well for people here

>>510905145
>nobody wants to do business in your country anymore

Congratulations

>>510905213
nothing about freezing jewish assets leads to communes or Volks-owned properties

you might wanna take out Moshes cut 2 incher out of your mouth

>>510905368
I know of hundreds of countries that would continue to do business with someone freezing jewish assets

>>510905441
>but what about DAA JOOOOOZ

Get a life

Communist Russia beat them.

>>510904467
Naw, you make homogenous societies with national socialism. There are other ways, but you NEED authoritarianism in some fashion to make a homogenous society. Neither left nor right versions of less government (libertarians) will end result in a homogenous society. An authority must instill that, cultivate it, protect it. You can push towards right authority or left authority to create that homogeny. National socialism, strictly policy wise is a balance between left and right styles of authoritarianism. While federation (what the USA is) is a balance between authoritarians and libertarians. Federation is more the correct system in most regards but its failed in terms of homogeneity. This is a massive problem and is why the USA will balkanize.

>>510905593
you're one of those afraid to write jews huh

>>510905712
Idk. If you really think about it, America before the 1960s was kinda the perfect system. Completely homogenous, personal liberty, no non-White immigration, blacks could vote or have rights. It’s basically the ideal. Then in the 1960s jews ruined everything

>>510904020
Explain how you came to this conclusion since national socialism existed for only like 12 years.

>>510903828 (OP)
it comes with many of the shortcomings of monarchy, less innovative than capitalism
the currency and economic system seemed to work but they are not battle tested long term and during peace time
a successor of hitler would have let the jews back in

>>510904696
that also

>>510906092
It existed only once in history and couldn't last six years without starting a world war.

>>510906588
checked
> a successor of hitler would have let the jews back in
alas true

>>510903828 (OP)
Most arguments against it that are not disingenuous would simply come down to preference: "I don't like it because it's icky". Those aren't actual, logical arguments, mind you, but they are at least consistent, not disingenuous.

>>510903828 (OP)
Starts wars and loses

>>510906588
>less innovative than capitalism
The first computer, the Z1, was built in a German living room by Konrad Zuse in 1938.
Even the jet engine was invented by Germans in World War II.

We was the top of the world, before you have copied everything.

>>510907130
I know. Its just dwarfed by the output of global capitalism by many orders of magnitudes.

>>510904362
>Euthanasia is bad
Why is it bad? There is a moral difference between "euthanizing your own people" and "euthanizing another people", for the record.
>persecuting couples that were brainwashed is bad
It would be un-brainwashing them. Shame and oppression are valid tools to reshape a society. If persecution is bad, you'll need to explain why it is bad, not simply make a blind assertion without evidence.
>you love your kind that did mistakes
That is not contradictory with persecuting them for their mistakes. If your child steals money from your wallet, and you punish her for it, do you not love her? Love is kind, love is not always nice. Kind and nice are totally different words.

>>510904467
>These are nearly impossible to maintain over the long run
So we should not seek out ideals, even if they are difficult to achieve? That's fucking lazy. Shame on you.

>>510903828 (OP)
Yes.
Because the moment the populist desire becomes a threat to the Jewish Ruling Class, the can take your dream of an Ethno-Socialism and use all their money to give you a stage managed fake.
>see picrel
And then run you all off a cliff. And then make up a dirty story about you.
They're doing it right now to exterminate the Ukrainians and the Gazans.

>>510904696
The US, today, has mandatory conscription through Selective Service. South Korea has mandatory conscription, literal actual "you gotta serve in the military for at least 4 years if you're a man". Israel has fucking state-mandated military service. Hell, most countries today have the option of mandatory conscription.

Is South Korea bad? No? Then mandatory conscription is not an argument against National Socialism. Try again.

>>510907225
>Its just dwarfed by the output of global capitalism by many orders of magnitudes.
Kek, since 1982, capitalism hasn't produced a better processor architecture than the PDP.

Capitalism is like a cancer currently eating its way through China, and as quickly as it grows, it will also collapse.

>>510903828 (OP)
I'm not Aryan, I'm Celt. They wouldn't care for me.

>>510907235
> not simply make a blind assertion without evidence.
but it's ok when you do it? because that exactly what you did in your whole post
> and you punish her for it, do you not love her?
false equivalency
don't compare a minor act to just loving someone different as an adult, totally different situation
Kill people is bad, deporting families that are entirely not from your people is ok, healing the scars of the suffering and taking ownership of the mistakes together is real love
love isn't transactional, but apparently for you it is

>>510905213
Plenty of countries would continue to do business with them. NS Germany didn't just suddenly get embargoed to death, they were fine. It would work even better in the US because we have so many natural resources they're practically falling out of our ears.

>>510906013
Agreed, but a perfect system should have prevented that.

Ive had this conversation before on here, and truthfully all Americans want the libertarian utopia, whether they know it or not. The AOCs, the berniebros, the LGBTs, the MAGA, the "nazis", they all want that lolbert pink cloud dream to be real.

BUT how does that happen?

> Cohesion, unity, homogenity, at some core is needed.
> Something to protect that utopia from external forces.
> Something to monitor and protect that utopia from internal forces.

This applies to left and right authorities. The best current example of communism right now is the CCP. They have all those things and though struggling in ways we laugh at, they have none of the problems we are collapsing over.

Founding fathers were revolutionaries. Genius brave drunks that wrote one of the greatest documents, the constitution.

BUT, they were human.

No one could have predicted that balance of freedom and authority would lead to dominating the world so fast, actualizing technology beyond sci-fi of that era, and those causing unexpected consequences that would grow roots through our own system.

A serious course correction, update or modification needs to be made to base level. We have been seized by capitalist, whose very nature is bottomline over all else.
> inb4 jooooss
Yes, them too, but that is NOT all the problems. Bill gates, Elon musk, the and all the Indians running everything are NOT jews. Get rid of all the jews, and we still have problems. Less problems, but same problems.

We need to appeal to authority again, clean up the country, tell these fucking companies they can suck dick before replacing white americans and importing. That goes for google and farmers! Yea that magic arrow that must always trend up and to the right (the stonk market) will go down, but its has to be allowed to happen while cleaning the country, and reinstalling the citizen majority.

>>510907647
German National Socialism is the embodiment of brotherhood.

>>510903828 (OP)
It will eventually turn back to democracy and kike worshipping after a long time of peace.

>>510903828 (OP)
It failed

>>510906630
Wow the country that called out the jews is immediately ganged up on by every other country in the world. Amazing

>>510907790
When the Jews return to Zion
And a comet rips the sky
And the Holy Roman Empire rises,
Then You and I must die.
From the eternal sea he rises,
Creating armies on either shore,
Turning man against his brother
'Til man exists no more.

>>510906588
>hitler's successor would have let the jews back in
Unfalsifiable - he didn't have a successor, so we wouldn't know

Same argument for the rest of your post - we wouldn't know, because we never got to see how it would look in a long term period of peace. The pre-war economic flourishing of NS Germany heavily implies that it would not only work long-term but in fact be FANTASTIC.

>>510907835
>huge economic revival while the west was lumbering through the great depression, scaring the shit out of britain
>massive increase in the birth rate, 8 million new germans added to the population
>foreigners expelled from the land
It seems pretty fucking effective to me. Get me some of that please

>>510907130
That's more a commentary on the superiority of the German mind than NS politics

>>510906630
NS Germany didn't start the war, you nonce. Britain did, by declaring Poland a protectorate. The same Poland that was harrassing and murdering ethnic Germans living in Polish territory. The same Poland that was given rightful German clay (Danzig) in the aftermath of the grossly unfair Versailles Treaty.

>>510908078
I think more pressingly, Poland was refusing to allow Germany to have military access to the Soviet border. The Germans were planning a huge fight against the Soviets, and this shitty little country of Poland was in their way refusing all concessions and demands.

The Jews or the Allies were not to blame for the fall of Germany, but our women.

>>510903828 (OP)
They are losers.

>>510903828 (OP)
it's socialism.

too easy

>>510904020
Faggot take. Eugenics is only destructive to untermensch. American dysgenic cuckholdery needs to be eliminated.

>>510907985
The other (non-Nazi) Axis states experienced a similar economic recovery, it was just the Anglosphere in particular that really lagged behind. In the Nazi's efforts to take lands where German minorities were living, they ultimately overextended and died, seeing a massive expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe, and (including the draft) the largest mass killing per capita of Germans since probably the 30 Year War

>>510907722
libertarianism is a jewish attempt to ideological codify and replicate the natural and unique state of living
in a white supremacist, patriarchal, christian protestant country with energy abundance, without military rivals and low population density.

>>510908481
If World War II taught us anything, it's that war is not a solution.
Brotherhood between men, however, is.

>>510904455
It's such a retarded attitude. Even more so is allowing a system where non-patriots become wildly rich to the extent you rely on taxing them. At that point you have a completely Jewed economy.

>>510907673
I didn't make the claim that persecution is bad, you did. Your claim, your evidence.

Not a false equivalency - love requires understanding. You are not punishing your child just because she stole from you, you are teaching her that stealing is immoral and wrong and should not be done. You are applying consequences for misbehavior. That is what a parent does - spare the rod, spoil the child. This is no different to a state or leader punishing their people that have made mistakes - that they did not know it was a mistake is no justification for their avoiding punishment. Spare the rod, spoil the "child" (your people).
>Killing people is bad
Again, a blind assertion. Is it ALWAYS bad to kill people? That is an extremely liberal worldview, and not one that is held by the vast majority of people. Not even the Bible holds that killing is always bad: murder is bad, but murder is *unjustified* killing. There are plenty of killings that ARE justified.
>love is transactional
No. Love is wanting the best for another. Love is accepting of mistakes, but that does not mean that one must not punish mistakes, in fact the opposite is true: if one is not punished for their mistakes, they'll never understand that they WERE mistakes. Sometimes, wanting the best for another means restricting them, teaching them why they are wrong, and punishing them for their wrongs so that they learn not to do it again. Love is kind. Love is NOT tolerant.

Spare the rod, spoil the child. You don't want a spoiled child, that is not what is best for them. Hence: the rod.

>>510908629
my operating theory is that we experienced an atypical honeymoon with capitalism
my conclusion is now that only communism breathing down its neck kept it relatively pro social and stable

>>510904949
You're conflating two things that are in opposition. The Anglo nations creating whites-only migration in new lands/continents is the opposite of Germans creating a inter-European caste system with themselves designated to rule over other whites whos land they were militarising in order to steal and subjugate. The guys you're quoting was obviously not a national socialist.
https://t.me/exposinghitler

>>510907790
1) Unfalsifiable
2) Appeal to lowest common denominator: an ideal is unreachable, so it should not be pursued. That's nonsense. You seek an ideal, EVEN IF it is unreachable, because even if you fall short of the ideal, you'll have approached it anyway. Christ is an unreachable ideal for Man, but he should be reached for regardless, because it is better than if he is not reached for.

>>510908018
The German mind also conceptualized (and not just conceptualized, actualized) National Socialism. If you accept that German minds are superior, you should reasonably be expected to accept that all or most of their conceptions are superior. Such as National Socialism.

>>510908164
Yeah, Poles were a bunch of little shits hiding behind Mommy Britain's skirts. Today we'd use the term "cry-bullies".

I say this as a guy whose great grandma fled Poland around the turn of the century.

>>510908220
>socialism is bad, period, because it just is, ok?
What a compelling argument.

>>510908861
You're confusing punishment with control. Saying "spare the rod, spoil the child" doesn't apply to adults making personal choices. These are people who aren't hurting anyone, and forcing them to obey your worldview isn't love, it's domination.

Loving someone who made a mistake, assuming it even was a mistake, doesn't mean breaking them until they fit your standards. That's not parenting. It's authoritarianism pretending to be care.

You keep asking why persecution or killing is bad, like it's not obvious. If you need a philosophical essay to understand why it's wrong to kill or exile people for who they are, that says more about your values than mine.

Love isn't about forcing people to change to make you comfortable. It's not about reshaping others to match your image. If your ideology depends on punishment and submission, it's not about love or strength. It's about fear and control.

This mindset of "discipline equals love" just leads to broken lives and broken societies. You don't heal people by hurting them. You don't create unity by removing everyone who doesn't fit.

>>510909229
Germans are mechanical thinkers, basically the best engineers in the world. Philosophy and politics by contrast are the domain of conceptual and verbal thinkers, and while that form of thought tends to be inherently degenerate at excess, Germans who attempt political philosophy inevitably fail to the liberalism that the Anglo mind can produce.

>>510908612
>war is not a solution
Historically speaking, war and violence have solved WAY more problems than they caused. Your take is essentially the same faggot take that Trudeau said:
>if you kill your enemies, they win
No they don't. They're dead.

>>510907130
>Even the jet engine was invented by Germans in World War II.
False. That would be Brits, and not one jet engine exists today that originates from Germans and their version was an unreliable failure.
All post-war jets are directly from British-American breakthroughs.

>>510903828 (OP)
They lost. Victory is the only argument

>>510909556
the holocaust is a WWI british invention

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory
>Horace Vachell: “I am told by an eminent chemist that six pounds of glycerine can be extracted from the corpse of a fairly well nourished Hun... These unfortunates, when alive, were driven ruthlessly to inevitable slaughter. They are sent as ruthlessly to the blast furnaces. One million dead men are resolved into six million pounds of glycerine."

>6 million
>humans burned alive as sacrifize
>factories of death
>human soap (later removed from the holocaust)
this "protocaust" has all the core elements of the later recycled british atrocity propaganda in WWII
the british would spread it via the various governments in exile in london, then anti tsarist propaganda about 6m jews was dovetailed into it creating the perfect storm and meta myth

if they prebunk this in future holocaust education you know that I was right

>>510908591
Call it whatever you want, but libertarianism is fundamentally half the basis of USA ideology. Without it, there is no federated system. No balance of state vs federal government. Without libertarianism, there is just the federal government.

I do think libertarianism has been being use to minimize or push back against federal powers. Which in regards to how our government has been seized and pushing for "diversity", is a good thing, but also it may never had been needed, had it been protected from the start.

Which is where I think its a movement to lessen "big government" to the benefit of the capitalist, not the "will of the people". The open borders, benefits the capitalist. The replacement of white citizens in their homelands with non-whites, benefits the capitalist. The removal of healthcare, lower wages, increased cost of goods, needing to take out loans, all benefit the capitalist.

Libertarianism works in a homogenous cooperative society, with some referee.

>>510903828 (OP)
its just a shittier version of socialism.

>>510909607
you invented the holocaust but the jet plane you stole

>>510909770
you are wrong, libertarianism is a specific people, faith and location
the jewish attempts to artificially recreate it failed

>>510909547
You have a completely alien worldview to mine. This argument is going to go nowhere, because we aren't even operating on the same principles.

Just one instance: "why persecution or killing is bad, like it's not obvious". That is a logical fallacy, appeal to common sense. It is NOT obvious, unless you are operating from the axiomatic principle "killing is always bad". I (and most non-liberals) do not hold that axiom as true. That axiom has not been held as true for the VAST majority of human existence. What I'm asking of you is WHY you hold that as axiomatically true, because I do not.

If you can't even be arsed to examine your own worldview, how could anyone possibly hope to change your mind? Hence why I'm going to walk away from this argument with you. Good day, sir.

>>510906013
>blacks could [sic] vote or have rights.
If the notion of blacks having rights is that offensive to you, you should never have brought them over to do your work for you in the first place.

>Completely homogenous
>this is what white nationalists actually believe

>>510909955
> let me tell you about your countries history
K kraut. The dont tread on me flag was our nations flag at one point.

>>510910018
You're right, we have totally different worldviews. Mine is built on empathy, human dignity, and the belief that killing people for being different is never justified. If you need a complex justification to see why that’s wrong, you’ve already lost the plot.

Appealing to history as if it justifies cruelty doesn't make you smart. It makes you someone who thinks "lots of people did it before" is a valid reason to do it again. That’s not logic, that’s moral laziness.

You're not asking for a discussion. You're asking for moral permission to dehumanize. And you're not getting it.

Walking away doesn’t make you right. It just means you’ve got nothing left to say that doesn’t expose what you really believe.

>>510909556
There have been MANY well-known and respected German thinkers, philosophers, artists, composers, theologians, and so on. If you're saying "Germans can't think good", you're dismissing Kant, Beethoven, Bach, Luther, and a bunch of others who I can't recall right now, and you're dismissing them out of hand.

You're free to do so, of course, but that is not the argument for your point that you think it is.

>>510908481
America literally invented the entire concept of Eugenics. Hitler got most of his ideas about it from turn of the Century Americans, you eegit

>>510910110
libertarianism is jewish anon get over it

>>510904020
You can say the exact same shit about leftism
Who are they gonna go after when Whites are gone? Each other

>>510903828 (OP)
No

>>510910225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoeu-9ANNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hShTfHio5iI

>>510909649
Now, see, that would actually be a reasonable argument to make, if this thread were about the National Socialist German state. However, we're talking about National Socialism the *concept*, not the state that employed it.

A worthy shot though; good one. You got pretty close to the target.

>>510904772
It would be supreme

>>510909878
The exact opposite is true, we invented centrifugal and axial flow engines, and all of the later ones, wrote all of the theoretical work, engaged in all the trial and error work, while Germany just took that written information by Alan Arnold Griffith and Whittle and produced a shit quality jet aircraft that needed vast amounts of man hours to maintain as it sucked and by the end of the war it redundent as if the war had gone on until November Britain was fielding the fastest jets by then, that were also reliable. You were completely crushed in aviation technology and every book written on the subject shows Germans are just a footnote in the history of jets. That is why by 1944 we were fucking with you at will and with ease. Even German internal memos understood early on that they were losing the aviation battle and arms race.


https://archive.org/details/developmentofjet0000guns
https://ia803202.us.archive.org/21/items/DTIC_ADA198775/DTIC_ADA198775.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/document/436228617/Centrifugal-to-Axial

>>510909854
>shittier
Show why. The counter argument to that is
>no, it's a better version of socialism

>>510910225
Not to mention Anglos and Germans are of the same volk. Where do you thing the Angles and the Saxons and the Jutes came from?

>>510909607
Russian and American space programs both used German rocket engines. You can't act like Germany didn't punch far above it's weight in innovation and industry.
>germany unifies
>starts outproducing and undercutting french and british locomotives and railways
>causes WWI
>Allies impose sanctions that restrict German industrial exports and require payment of reparations in Gold which they can only by from abroad. result: German economy cannot grow
>Germans have enough, elect Hitler, economy grows at double digit rates
>Hitler proposes dominating car production in Europe, just as Ford had done in America, starting Volkswagen
>WW2 happens (I wonder why)
>Germany becomes a vassal state after the war, foreign bases riddle the country, spies riddle it's news organisations, academia is based around German shame
>Germany for a third time, comes back and dominates European industry while still under foreign influence
You just can't stop the Hun.

>>510906630
Many aspects of it exist right now in China and AI says that Hitler would rate modern day China 6.5/10

>>510904020
kek

>>510910245
>watson on blacks being slammed by the MSM
I think this is, unintentionally, right.
He essentially excuses black behaviour by blamind it on genes. But this is wrong.
Blacks are bad because, even though fully humans, they behave like subhumans. If they truly were subhumans they would be justified in their behaviour.
I do not blame a cat for acting like a cat, or a dog for acting like a dog, no?
But I do blame a human for acting like a subhuman.

>>510910245
And then they decided to integrate and promote faggotry.

>>510910491
you stole the prototypes and operation paperclipped, as said the holocaust is the most consequential british invention
it spelled the doom of your own people

>>510910202
I'm not asking permission for anything. I'm having a discussion regarding National Socialism on an anonymous Tibetan yak-farmer imageboard. I'm not walking away to show I'm right, I'm walking away because this particular discussion is a waste of everyone's time. In the same vein, having your little parting shot doesn't make you right either.

>>510910611
Checked. However, you’re grasping at straws. A “subhuman” by definition is still human, just a lesser breed. It’s like comparing Border Collies to shitbulls. Both still dogs. Eventually over time they would probably develop into completely separate species but not yet

>>510910522
Correct. Anglo-Saxon is half Saxon, from Saxony, you know, that *German* province in the northwest. Saying "Brits are better" is stupid as shit because Brits and Germans are almost the same fucking people. They're cousins.

>>510910692
the US is under jewish minority rule since the 60-70s of the 20th century, shifted from WASP plurality rule
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hShTfHio5iI

>>510910225
Yes, but that doesn't make their work relevant to the real world. Wordcels always lose in the long run to creators.

Luther was great and successful because he removed the liturgical barriers between Bible and Church that existed under Catholicism. The immediate consequence of Lutheranism was one of the most violent sociocultural upheveals in the history of the world as the autistic German mind attempted to reconcile it.

>>510910692
the US is under jewish minority rule since the 60-70s of the 20th century, shifted from WASP plurality rule
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/04/us-anti-semitism-jewish-american-safety/677469/
https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/359291/leo-frank-and-the-parade-of-horribles/

>>510910528
The rocket engine is an American invention. The NASA space hoax race they engaged in to force Russia to waste money on a space arms race, was simply a product of the US spending nearly 5% of its budget scaling up rocket technology.
They lost the naval war to us, they lost war for aviation technology, and they lost the ground war to Russian peasants...so where does this superior race come from that they couldn't beat us in the air or by sea while having more slaves producing weapons than we had adults working in the armaments industry?
You're a cuck.

>>510910843
the "sub" refers to the quality.
They are "sub" humans because they are less than humans. Thats how I understand it.
But they are not "less" than human, they just behave as such.

>>510910843
Well, if we're going with the Latin root, a "sub"human would be something "below" or "under" a human. Technically, you could say that about ANY animal or plant, in regards to things like intelligence, morality, etc. A dog is "sub" humanity.

The phrase "subhuman" is usually meant to refer to a "subset" of humanity that is lesser, but you could use it to refer to an ape or a dog or a cat or a nigger and it would be the same thing: something that is not fully a human.

>>510903828 (OP)
I've got the Argument of Experience for you over here:
Under real National Socialism, as it has been tried and which had preached the superiority of the Aryan race, diehard National Socialists went around and murdered millions of beautiful blonde Slavic girls, while themselves being dysgenic, deformed freaks such as Dirlewanger or Goebbels, that limping cripple. The Nazis were headed by cripples, morphine abusers, defrauders and cowards that tried to escape trial in women's clothing, and their soldiers were meth abusers, sadists, pillagers, and rapists. Their only military victories were attacking people who were sympathetic to them (France and Croatia), and their only ally in the world (the USSR, which was ostracized on the world stage before they became needed for defeating the Nazis).
Such are the merits of National Socialism

>>510910693
> Muh operation paperclip
Name any aircraft technology that comes from operation paperclip.
The jet engines that became popular in the post war period to the early 1950s are the ones Brits had been working on at the start of the war. None of it is German.

>>510903828 (OP)
The core issue is the assertion of universal supremacy. If white supremacists just accepted that their genes are locally superior in Europe, and that other races and their genes are superior in their race's homeland as well, it would prevent useless expansion wars and genocide as done by the original NatSocs.

Let's be honest. Did Germany really need Belarus and Moscow? They didn't even have enough people for the "Lebensraum." At most they should have stopped at the Baltics, Poland, Western Ukraine, and Dalmatia. Beyond that and it's Slav territory, not even partially Germanized.

Why do Europeans feel the need to go to Africa, South America, and Asia? Those places have parasites and diseases beyond your worst nightmares. Colonialism is the root of globalism which we all hate today. This BS narrative that the white gene is universally superior just led to dysgenic mutts and the death of white elites in faraway savage lands.

Other than the "universal supremacy" BS, NatSoc is a good blend of nationalism and socialism, but it's a shame that most people only turn to NatSoc once they run out of options. Those that turn to NatSoc tend to be hikikomori, white trash, ex-cons, ghetto mutt, favella dweller, illegal immigrant, etc. Craig Cobb was an example.

Maybe NatSocs need to recruit from T50 universities. At a T30 rn and you can feel the discontent everywhere

>>510903828 (OP)
It's anti-democratic.
And yes that is a bad thing, feel free to move to an autocratic country if you disagree

>>510911099
apologize you dishonorable cur
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/nov/12/secondworldwar.world
>The London Cage was used partly as a torture centre, inside which large numbers of German officers and soldiers were subjected to systematic ill-treatment. In total 3,573 men passed through the Cage, and more than 1,000 were persuaded to give statements about war crimes. The brutality did not end with the war, moreover: a number of German civilians joined the servicemen who were interrogated there up to 1948.

you conspired with the US regime to use americans as human shields for ammo transports in WWI then lied about it for 100 years, its time to come clean about the holocaust libel you used in both wars too

>>510903828 (OP)
Nazis would kill me and that's a bad thing

>>510910912
That Lutheranism (and Protestantism in general) is heretical, does not mean that the Catholic Church is not itself also heretical. Lutheranism isn't good, but neither is Catholicism. One does not need to provide an answer to something if one can show that the current answer is itself incorrect. It's perfectly acceptable to say "I don't know the truth, but I do know that what you're saying is not the truth". One can absolutely take a null position in a debate, which infuriates people whose only debate strategy is to attack the opponent's position.

>Wordcels always lose in the long run to creators
The Germans had words AND creators. What point are you trying to make here? First you argue that Germans have no thinkers, and then you argue that thinkers don't matter anyway. Stop moving the goalposts, please.

>>510903828 (OP)
What if everyone just goes back to their homelands

>>510911263
we tried voting our way out of war and mass immigration for 50 years now, every democracy is a shadow oligarchy and we are ruled by unaccountable jewish child rapers given the epstein files

>>510911536
Then move to an autocratic country

>>510905054
OP suspiciously absent...

>>510911624
voting does nothing to change the things that matter this is a fact

>>510911185
Brother. We're talking about National Socialism as an ideal, not how it was practiced. You can't hold an ideal as wrong just because the people that professed to practice it were fucked up - people OFTEN fail to live up to their professed ideals, that doesn't mean the ideal is fucked up, that means the people are fucked up.

>>510911516
I'm saying that while Lutheranism/Protestantism was objectively a successful philosophical movement, it had an inherent materialist and liberal component in contrast to failed Nazi appeals to the triumph of the will of a German spirit/zeitgeist. Germans inventing the printing press also helped a lot. German efforts to win people over on the level of political movements and pure charisma is time-proven to fail.

>>510911263
Democracy relies on the assumptions that the average person has accurate desires, and that the process is fair.

Neither is true. Desires are planted into people by astroturfing, and the average person doesn't have the knowledge to make good decisions in this complicated age.

Also, the election process is not fair. Lobbying interests will outspend you and well-connected Euro royalty will get their wishes while you rot without even an air conditioner.

As a result democracy as of late led to disasters like Brexit, Angela Merkel's lax immigration laws, anti-nuclear power policies, "green" energy, etc.

Democracy only works in a system where the people are homogenous enough to share the same values, and thus aim for the same goals. It doesn't work when tribalism becomes more convenient.

You can have your "democracy" of whatever once everyone is on the same page. But that will never happen without a NatSoc revival. Only NatSoc will give the US citizens healthcare and free college education

>>510911099
>The rocket engine is an American invention.
Holy shit you're Jewish.

The British Empire was a fucking quarter of the planet, and was entirely focussed on destroying the Nazis. So was the French empire. Eventually the Americans, and the Soviets had to get involved too. That's practically half of the planet fighting against Germany, pretty much on their own.

They started from behind three times and still wrecked everyone. They're still wrecking everybody industrially. The facts are clear about German superiority, it's not even a question. You're probably just mad they would exterminate a little queer like you.

>>510911253

>>510911730
You've just demonstrated my argument perfectly. Idealistic thinking is exactly where Hitler and the rest failed. If an ideal is unattainable that doesn't necessarily just mean people need to try harder and succeed, it means the ideal does not and cannot exist. Diogenes figured this out 2500 years ago. The German mind can visually image a global Aryan spirit and brotherhood but in its materialist autism will kill itself as it fails to attain that which cannot be.

>>510903828 (OP)
It's a concept of the past, that would not function in modern society and would only cause decline.
Like every other political ideology running today.
Our society runs on hundred of years ideologies that do no reflect on the modern population, and that is exactly why everything is fucked up.
Try something new you fucking retards.

>>510911527
So where should I go, then? I have ancestry from all over Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Based on my looks alone, I wouldn't really fit in anywhere outside the Mediterranean

>>510911260
You've misunderstood NatSoc. NatSoc is not a universalist ideal - it holds that the people of a nation are ideal, for that nation. Other nations would have their own ideal people. NatSoc isn't about "German Supremacy", it's about "Germany for Germans, Japan for Japanese, Korea for Koreans", etc. That's what nationalism is.

The Germans didn't take Russian or French territory because they wanted it for themselves, they took them because they were in a fucking war - if they didn't take out the enemy, the enemy would never stop coming for them until they were dead. France for example was under a military governorship. They didn't persecute French people except for the ones waging guerilla war and the ones hiding and protecting jews. If you weren't doing that, they left you in peace.

>>510903828 (OP)
It failed. You lost.

>>510911730
You can make the same argument about Communism, i.e. you can go fuck yourself.

>>510911400
How is that relevant to your bullshit claim we stole jet aircrafts from you?

>>510911411
Good! Getting closer to a valid argument.

Here's the thing though: we're talking about NatSoc as an ideal, not as a specific German state. It is entirely possible for Brazil to have a Brazilian NatSoc government that enforces Brazilian rights to their own land and people, free from foreign influence. Brazilian NatSocs wouldn't kill you if you're Brazilian.

>>510911874
> You're jewish
The mantra of the natsoc cuck.
Sorry, what are Germans wrecking everyone at? Mass producing cars...which they aren't even leading at. Cars are not the cutting edge of technology.

>>510911930
That's actually the problem. What is needed is pragmatism, not strict adherence to an ideology like Communism or Capitalism. The retarded public don't go for that, they need a religion, an ideology. They may have used them as excuses, or for support, but Kings never had ideologies they did what was in the interest of the country.

Democracy has to utterly fucking demolished.

>>510912138
because you did and it was already operational which was the initial claim but I'm done with this line of autism continue claiming credit for everything as aggressive as you can

>>510911762
>time-proven to fail
Is it? The Germans were pretty happy to live under NatSoc Germany, especially in contrast to the Weimar era. It didn't fail internally, it failed because every jew in the entire fucking world declared war on them through their puppet governments.

In an ordered world

Degenerate normies and jews don't have value

>>510903828 (OP)
>label any solid argument 'disingenuous'
>there's no argument that isn't disingenuous, lol
>/pol/ is always right !@!!!!!
I wish the mentally 5 years old /pol/tards would grow up a bit.

>>510912262
Wow, the Allies in Europe really won.

>>510903828 (OP)
/pol/ is disingenous, imagine being forced to attend a political rally at night. everyone here would be crying that they can't spend time gooning to princess peach instead

>>510911896
>it cannot be
Irrelevant when speaking of ideals. A failure of an individual to live up to an ideal is not a failure of the ideal itself.

>>510911896
> The German mind can visually image a global Aryan spirit and brotherhood but in its materialist autism will kill itself as it fails to attain that which cannot be.
The Global Aryan brotherhood can absolutely exist again bc it already has, just not in its autistic form. Between the British, French, and German empires the White race controlled the entire world. If they had ACTUALLY focused on genociding the subhumans rather than wasting their time attempting to civilize them we would be living in utopia right now. Can you imagine a pure White Africa? Asia? Etc etc. we did it before and we can do it again, only now we have learned from our mistakes

>>510912000
Hence why racemixing is such a horrible, horrible abomination. You could claim Brazil for fellow mixed race abominacíons such as yourself, and over time, the mixture would homogenize. Brazil would truly be for Brazilians, and Brazilians would be a distinct race/ethnicity, rather than a mixture of a million different ones. It would take probably several centuries, and you'd need to exclude anyone not already a part of that mixture, but it could be done. NatSoc is already on board with that plan.

>>510911878
You're dumb as shit and whatever loaded question you searched for in that midwit ai has given you bs answers. The RR nene was not axial flow - but it was entirely British and by the end of the war producing 2x more thrust than any German engine. The level of jealousy you cunts have is so off the scale it is unreal. I've posted 2 books further up and can find some more if you want, actual books and studies, not loaded questions put into ai for biased results. The timeline of every engine exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Derwent
Also, the improvements much later on by RR just mogged WW2 jets, and again none of this was anything to do with Germans.

>>510912583
Facts. Imagine a world where Europeans have complete control of brown country resources.

>>510912035
Then why the genocides in Slavic lands? NatSoc could have collaborated with Bandera and conscripted Ukrainians but instead turned them also into enemies. Didn't they see the Ustasha success?

I saw the NatSoc propaganda. The earlier ones were about nationalism and protecting the nation from "kulturterror," but then they turned into literal eugenics BS.

You can't claim "defensive war" and then go on massacres. If NatSoc wants to go global the expansionist rhetoric must go.

>>510912076
The difference is that communism fails *as an ideal*, not even in a practical sense. Communism makes a bunch of assumptions about humans and humanity that simply aren't true, it's not reality. NatSoc's assumptions are observably correct.

>>510912169
We're divided by race. White Brazilians, brown Brazilians, black Brazilians, indigenous people. Ethnic nationalism like natsoc would tear the country apart
Even just being banned from traveling or living in certain places would be bad enough. It has not even been 100 years since most of my family left Europe, It would be awful if I could not go back

>>510912317
The German economy already recovered under Weimar in the second half of the 20th century. Hitler cancelled free elections once he was in office, and had numerous independent people in his high command conspire against him due to perceived insanity of his regime.
>>510912429
The ideal is not attainable. Idealists are literally the most insane people on the planet.
>>510912583
>bro imagine an Anglo Japan or China
Would rather not, Jew

>>510912629
4cups, germany is unified your empire is gone

>>510903828 (OP)
Of Course. Isolationist Individualism.

>>510904020
First post is a disingenuous John Lennon tier ideological kike post. Go smoke another joint and rant about world peace with your hippy boomer loser friends, Levi. You good for nothing heebtard.

>>510903828 (OP)
the ideology itself was disingenuous. it was basically the Hitler party. it told blue collar Germans it was socialist, it told German industrialists it was capitalist, and it told German aristocrats that it was loyalist. Hitler fucked them all over in turn. its only real, consistently held tenet was 'more power for Hitler'. Germany itself was expendable

>>510904262
It's not just wealth tax. Purchasing power has decreased a lot since the scamdemic. Norwegian politicians are pushing for even worse economical developments into the forseeable future. This country is headed straight to third world status because of socialism. The state is filthy rich, but doesn't invest inside the country. After the scamdemic sweden removed almost all tax on fuel. Norway has instead increased taxes. Once civil war starts in England, France or Germany, Norway won't be far behind. Also that brings me to the argument against National socialism. Socialism. It doesn't work. It's just communism rebranded so dumb people swallow it.

>>510904327
Throw out ideology, and the friend/enemy distinction is still the root of all politics. There is no wishing it away.

>>510912692
>Ukrainians
The Cossacks were a threat to everybody. Wild, untameable savages. They were committing atrocities all the time. Just like jews, they had to go - can't be civilized, no better than animals. Same shit in Yugoslavia and the Balkans - bunch of Kurds and Serbs going around raping and burning entire villages. Both Germany and Italy denounced them in the strongest possible terms - not fitting for civilized society.

Most of the claims of "German eugenics" were wartime propaganda from the Allies. Simply untrue. There's even a story where Hitler commanded that all Russian spies captured be executed without trial. A german battalion captured some spies, but when told to execute them, the commanding officer refused. Violation of the Geneva Conventions and all that. Germans were too honorable to commit atrocities out of hand. It's notable that all the "death camp" stories came from inside Russian-held territory, and not German provinces. I wouldn't expect a German to shoot unarmed civilians in a conquered village, but I would ABSOLUTELY expect a Cossack or a Russian Jew to do so with total glee.

>>510903828 (OP)
From this post, I have one argument.

Because NatSoc has no clear definition, it can be used to do absolutely anything, from peaceful ethnostates to genocide.

I think this ambiguity is good for initial propaganda, but eventually the movement will collapse. People have expectations but they won't be met.

In that regard it's kinda like Christianity lol

Mein Kampf, Kita Ikki, Mussolini don't really have a clear idea of even fascism in general. So in the worst case scenario, "globalists" or "joos" might even take over. I think white nationalism is a better substitute for you folk.

>>510912742
>it would be awful if I can't go back
Sorry to hear that, but that is an individual problem that requires an individual solution. Yeah, NatSoc would be messy as fuck down there, but that isn't your fault, nor is it NatSocs fault - that's the fault of all the people that came there and mixed with los indigos. Again, racemixing is REALLY really bad, and Brazil is the poster child for why.

>>510909010
Most kiked post I've read all day.
You better get paid extra for that one you ip hopping piece of shit.

>>510912870
I'm not an idealist by any means. That does not mean I ignore ideals. Practical problems require practical solutions, not idealistic ones, but the ideal should still be the goal eventually. Moving closer to the ideal is superior to moving away from it, or not moving at all.

>>510913502
>NatSoc has no clear definition
It's literally in the name: Nationalist, and Socialist. Nationalist as in self-determined rule by one unified people, and Socialist in that the government's purpose is to increase the quality of life for its people.

Everything else is details. Those are the overriding principles.

>>510913404
What about the OUN and Western Ukraine? Unlike the Cossack east, they used to be Austro-Hungarian territory and thus weren't as "savage." If anything, they were the most opposed to Russian aggression in Ukraine.

If Hitler (the Furher) made such commands and the foot soldiers declined, that's a testament to the German morality, not of NatSoc. If the Russians had NatSoc I bet their foot soldiers would have shot enemy soldiers.

Many Ukrainians were also sick of international Jewry, as a matter of fact Eastern Europe was one of the worst affected, after Germany.

>>510913891
Yes, but how to mix the two? Who is part of the "one people?" For NatSoc, are German collaborators of Jewry allowed to come back to German identity or are they to be executed?

Or, what about Huguenot from France (such as Achard)? Are they part of the German people? Are Germans with pure lineage that convert to other religions (like Islam) allowed? Europe is also a mutt region, just less obvious to American eyes

>>510913969
>That's a testament to the German morality, not of NatSoc
Agreed. Hitler went insane toward the end. He was not truly NatSoc by the time it all went tits up. That isn't a failing of NatSoc either, that's one guy who went mad with power and blew everything up in his insanity.
>Ukrainians were sick of international Jewry
Absolutely. Many of them *welcomed* the arrival of the German army. The "Russians" (at that time, run 95%+ by jews) were horrible, awful people. Most of the atrocities attributed to Germans were in actuality just done by jews in the NKVD, either directly themselves, by ordering their Russian soldiers to do them under threat of execution by Commissar, or letting the savage animals off their leashes to do whatever the fuck savages decide to do. Jewish rule, Communist rule, was barbaric in the most heinous sense of the word.

>>510913728
Liberalism permits people to follow their own ideals and abandon them nearly as easily. Some overly idealistic people turn into trannies or extremists, but it's a far more resilient system than national socialism because it distributes the burden of bad ideals and allows reaction on a more instant level.

My eternal luminous Lord and God Jesus Christ and me his chosen second Christ we are going to completely erase the evil luminous devil and his corporal manifestations from creation, and then we manifest our own corporal manifestations only my Lord and God Jesus Christ has created corporally.
Afterwards we live in our own Christ Kingdom on Earth where my luminous eternal Lord and God Jesus Christ and me we are united forever in a luminous and corporal coalescent New World Order.
All maleoid and femoid human whores will be replaced entirely with Models and Biomodels that only my Lord and God Jesus Christ has made and directly controls and uses to love only me, and I live only with my Lord and God Jesus Christ in our Christ Kingdom.
There will be no evil maleoids and femoids and beasts no more.
I will live forever with my Lord and God Jesus Christ in our Christ Kingdom where we spend eternity together happily ever after, and we drink ice-cold sugar syrup in our luxurious surroundings.

>>510903828 (OP)
This lunatic cult caused the deaths of 20 million purebred germanic Aryans.

>>510914605
could have been worse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic

>>510914526
insanely based

>>510914274
One people is a conglomeration of people related by blood and bound together by language, culture, myth, history, and religion. Germans who collaborated with Jewry would be punished as traitors to their people - execution, exile, or impoverishment. Traitors ALWAYS get the first bullet.

Hugeunots, German-adjacent people, would be treated with respect and dignity. France and England were German-adjacent too. It's a shame the jews running those countries sent them all to war. World War 2 was a brother war, first and foremost. Fucking kikes, man.

NatSoc doesn't concern itself with WHAT religion is followed, only that A religion is followed, at least in public, as regards moral and ethical standards. In Germany, that would be Christianity. You could be a German Muslim, but you would follow Christian ethical standards and wouldn't be allowed to hold any position with political authority or influence. Hitler had a great relation with Muslim Arab states - they could be Muslim all they like, so long as they do it in their own countries, not in Germany.

>>510914433
Do you consider "distributing of bad ideals" to be a good thing? Would it be better to let bad ideals flourish, or would it be better to quash them, to root them out before they grow? If it's a "bad ideal", what is the justification for letting it live, like a weed or a cancer? Root it out before it spreads, and there's no need for "instant reaction" - the cancer was removed before it became a tumor. Spend all your time hammering down loose nails, or just use good, strong nails in the first place?

This is a moral question, not a NatSoc question, although they're related.

>>510903828 (OP)
No.

>>510913404
The Cossacks fought for Germany against the Soviet Union you mouthbreather. Their way of life was far more noble and Aryan than the band of autistic LARPers you worship.

>>510914605
No he didn't. Churchill did, and Roosevelt a bit later.

>>510904020
Are u stupid

>>510915356
Alright. Cool story. They didn't, actually, they fought for and against everyone, because they liked fighting, as savages are wont to do, but you're welcome to attribute their actions to Germany if it makes you feel better.

>>510915096
Bad ideals root themselves out when permitted to. Murdering several million of your own young men by drafting them into war for the sake of unifying maybe one million German diaspora was a terrible idea forced by a single retard named Hitler.

We Judge communism all the time by looking at what it achieved in reality vs what it purported it would achieve.
Look at what the Nazis achieved. Total defeat. An occupied and bifurcated Germany. Genocide in East Prussia. Genocide in Czechoslovakia. Genocide in Poland.

If National Socialism purports to protect the "Volk" it sure as fuck did a dogshit job of doing so.

>>510913607
Nothing kiked about my post at all. It is a fact that Australian liberals supported whites-only migration, as that quote clearly shows. No need for socialism, or attacking all of our white neighbours, and stealing private businesses from whites to force them into producing for the state war machine to attack other white nations.
If you don't you like these facts then maybe identify with the Germany that existed outside of '33-'45.
https://t.me/exposinghitler
https://t.me/redideologies

>>510914526
ALICIA GET OUT OF THE CANVAS AND GO TO THE BATHROOM
YOU ARE SHITTING YOURSELF

>>510915806
This

>>510914433 (checked)
>Liberalism permits people to follow their own ideals and abandon them nearly as easily.
Liberalism permits no ideals outside of individualism. A mass of unorganized individuals will always be ruled by a consciously organizing minority. That is true even in democracy. Therefore, the "noble lie" of liberalism (individualism), which may have been "noble" at one point, is today nothing but a lie--shade thrown to protect the organized minority of zionist pedophiles and perverts that run the show. Liberalism has no defense mechanism for this. Outside of the faceless and raceless "mass man" and the nationless economy (the same ideals of communism, btw), to the liberal anything that deals with the Platonic Idea, is fascism, as Karl Popper said. This is why liberalism is not able to produce any heroes other than in fiction. Heroism requires idealism. Liberalism, like communism, also completely denies the spirit--a mortal sin in Christianity. And as Jesus warned: these people will never be forgiven, neither in this world, or the world to come (whatever that may be). And just like Hitler wrote, when there is no higher ideal, there is no culture. Hence, under liberalism we've seen the complete stagnation of culture.

>>510914526
Jesus was a Jew.

>>510903828 (OP)
chud mentality, neighbours are snitches in the worst way, not telling on you for truth but outbof spite and in the end you'll end up as meat cube for le Third Reich. Retarded slave mentality shit.

>>510903828 (OP)
ALL -ISM'S ARE JEWISH AND REQUIRE CENTRAL BANKING.

>>510916481
>Liberalism permits no ideals outside of individualism
Which, as I've stated, is a good thing. Only the attainable matters.
>A mass of unorganized individuals will always be ruled by a consciously organizing minority. That is true even in democracy.
Naturally, but democracy, fake and gay as it is, does not have a history of drafting its own into mass death as bad as nationalism.

>>510904020
China has become a superpower by turning national socialist

>>510903828 (OP)
If you are a white person I cant think of any argument, obviously for jews and brown people its a bad deal since they cant leech anymore

>>510919573
Define national socialism

>>510919493
>Which, as I've stated, is a good thing. Only the attainable matters.
There are more important things than buying a new iphone. Like living in a safe country in which half of the people are not mentally ill or on drugs and actually help each other.
>Naturally, but democracy, fake and gay as it is, does not have a history of drafting its own into mass death as bad as nationalism.
You mean the American goyvernment didn't send millions of Americans to fight in a war that didn't concern them one bit?

>>510921312
The belief that people of similar values, virtues and race working together in unison to achieve a higher purpose.

>>510921831
>There are more important things than buying a new iphone. Like living in a safe country in which half of the people are not mentally ill or on drugs and actually help each other.
Agreed, though those are not necessary consequences of liberalism. Many are material (heroin didn't really exist in the 19th century for people to get hooked on) as well.
>>510921831
>The belief that people of similar values, virtues and race working together in unison to achieve a higher purpose.
That's kind of vague and could apply to most nations before the 19th century. China has almost none of the autarkic principles that Nazi Germany tried to achieve, it regularly works with non-Chinese nations contrary to racial hegemony, and adopted many liberal policies from Deng Xiaoping onwards. They're more like a better version of early Progressive Era America.

>>510921831
Sorry, forgot to answer this
>You mean the American goyvernment didn't send millions of Americans to fight in a war that didn't concern them one bit?
It did during its most illberal periods, yes, though the core tenets of individualism and local interests, again combined with material geographic isolation, resulted in far lower death counts than the European nations, as well as later entry.

>>510907471
disgusting baphomet pose.

>>510922504
>Agreed, though those are not necessary consequences of liberalism. Many are material (heroin didn't really exist in the 19th century for people to get hooked on) as well.
They are. Because liberalism and the idea of 'let everyone be themselves' allows these mentally ill corrosive elements to inflitrate said societies. You know how easy the drug problem can be stamped out in less than a year by a competent government? It just requires an iron will and the desire to do what is necessary. Yet we allow mentally ill fags and drug addicts which comprise 1% of the entire population of a country to ruin it for the rest 99% of it.
>China has almost none of the autarkic principles that Nazi Germany tried to achieve, it regularly works with non-Chinese nations contrary to racial hegemony, and adopted many liberal policies from Deng Xiaoping onwards. They're more like a better version of early Progressive Era America.
NS Germany was never autarkic, it required certain vital industries like steel and iron to be state owned, like China, but it was a thoroughly export oriented economy that regularly traded with other countries. This is the difference between a NS society and the nonsense we have today. Countries and corporations should prioritize their own citizens first before "profit".
>It did during its most illberal periods
So why are you acting like it hasn't? In fact, there hasn't been a more bloodthirsty country in human history than America (given its short timespan as such) and the British Empire. And a lot of these waged wars had absolutely next to nothing with the benefit of the common man.

>>510923049
>They are. Because liberalism and the idea of 'let everyone be themselves' allows these mentally ill corrosive elements to inflitrate said societies. You know how easy the drug problem can be stamped out in less than a year by a competent government? It just requires an iron will and the desire to do what is necessary. Yet we allow mentally ill fags and drug addicts which comprise 1% of the entire population of a country to ruin it for the rest 99% of it.
China still has ketamine dens and other degenerates like gacha addicts. They take a better shot at stopping it than America, because America is run by genocidal Jews, but at the end of the day China understands that industry and technology are key.
>NS Germany was never autarkic, it required certain vital industries like steel and iron to be state owned, like China, but it was a thoroughly export oriented economy that regularly traded with other countries. This is the difference between a NS society and the nonsense we have today. Countries and corporations should prioritize their own citizens first before "profit".
Hitler expanded tariffs and was selective in who he was willing to trade with, he was a very zero-sum thinker in contrast to China of the last 50 years which has overwhelmingly cut trade barriers, to its benefit.

Hitler wrote in main kampf that the explicit central goal of national socialism is the conquest of soil "by the sword" and the replacement of commerce and economic diplomacy, colonialism etc with "the soil policy of the future" ie feeding the german economy with territorial expansionism


This is pretty much the dumbest most comically stupid, disconnected from reality thing imaginable in the 20th century. You literally could not come up with a worse form of economics and foreign policy for the modern world and it really cannot be exaggerated enough how stupid this ideology was. It was literally built from the ground up to fail. It genuinely seems like hitler thought he was some great Roman conqueror trampling over barbarian tribes, and not a modern man dealing with modern geopolitical and diplomatic realities, as well as modern industrialized warfare

For starters, great power politics do not allow for the type of wanton expansionism in continental europe. This had been the reality for centuries but was crystalized recently with powderkeg europe and ww1. When you attack a nation, you also attack their allies and the nations who hold spheres of influence over them. Not only that but as soon as war breaks out between powers, EVERYONE in europe is automatically involved since every conflict that threatens the balance of power is inherently an existential threat to everyone I the continent, and everyone gets involves to ensure their interests are maintaines. All of this means that you cant take a hit in europe without instantly getting in over your head as every action you take reverberates throughout the continent.

If that wasnt bad enough, the above situation is now rendered even worse by the advent of total war and industrialized warfare. War in the 20th centure means total whole sale destruction of everything. Of infrastructure, of economies, of human lives, both on and off the battlefields, of literally everything.

>>510923675
It's a wood chipper in which ever facet of a nation is fed into.


Now the above two major points combine into a situation where there is no "small war" of expansion, when you go to war, everyone goes to war, and because of this, you cant just feed a little bit of your nation into that wood chipper with surgical precision, you will be forced to put that whole God dammed thing into that infernal machine until there is nothing left of it.

>>510923539
>China still has ketamine dens and other degenerates like gacha addicts. They take a better shot at stopping it than America, because America is run by genocidal Jews, but at the end of the day China understands that industry and technology are key.
You know how easily this is fixed? Round up the junkies on the street and put them in concentration camps were they can get clean and work. If they don't, shoot them. You'll see how quickly the drug 'problem' is fixed. There's nothing China can do if America actually got its shit together. The reason it happens is because America allows it to.
>Hitler expanded tariffs and was selective in who he was willing to trade with, he was a very zero-sum thinker in contrast to China of the last 50 years which has overwhelmingly cut trade barriers, to its benefit.
China actually has massive tarrifs and rules on who they do business with, how and where. Like outside of the SEZ American business is not able to trade or start a business in China. And even in the SEZ American companies (or western companies in general) are under very strict regulation from the Chinese government.

>>510923899
the world wars were bound to happen, a unified industrialized germany and the british empire could not coexist
mechanical by game theory

>>510904236
I'm also 14 years old, like you, and I can clearly see how deep and insightful your analysis is.

>>510904020
You are only describing the first stage of NS, which is cleaning up the undesirables and neutralizing enemies who immediately threaten the existence of NS.

>>510923675
Where exactly are you getting your nonsense from?

Hitler:
>"For National Socialism regards the forcible amalgamation of one people with another alien people not only as a worthless political aim, but in the long run as a danger to the internal unity and hence the strength of a nation. National Socialism therefore dogmatically rejects the idea of national assimilation"

>"Wars of revenge are out of date. In the old days a deliberate maker of war may have been a patriot; to-day he is a traitor, leading his people in the valley of the shadow of death. We are, by conviction and basic tenet, not only non-Imperialistic, but anti-Imperialistic. Just as we wish not to be assimilated, so we do not wish to assimilate others. We have quite enough to do to build up an orderly, just and happy life for our own people."

>"I am myself a front-line soldier and I know how grave a thing war is. I wanted to spare the German people such an evil. Problem after problem I have tackled with the set purpose to make every effort to render possible a peaceful solution"

>>510923989
>You know how easily this is fixed? Round up the junkies on the street and put them in concentration camps were they can get clean and work. If they don't, shoot them. You'll see how quickly the drug 'problem' is fixed. There's nothing China can do if America actually got its shit together. The reason it happens is because America allows it to.
Or, alternatively, avoid and ignore them because subhumans aren't worth a great mental expenditure as long as they don't threaten you.
>China actually has massive tarrifs and rules on who they do business with, how and where. Like outside of the SEZ American business is not able to trade or start a business in China. And even in the SEZ American companies (or western companies in general) are under very strict regulation from the Chinese government.
That is false, tariffs are a minuscule part of their overall revenues. It's true that China is wary of American influence over their nation, though that's a two way street. Mere Chinese-born professors have been arrested in America on bullshit Chinese spy accusations only to be exonerated. China choosing to ban nigger propaganda from their media is very distinct from ordinary trade restrictions.

>>510924509
>Or, alternatively, avoid and ignore them because subhumans aren't worth a great mental expenditure as long as they don't threaten you.
Ah, a very "noble" solution. But what happens when they don't ignore you?
>That is false, tariffs are a minuscule part of their overall revenues
Tarrifs are not just taxes on the entering the border, you can also consider regulations, the cost of doing business, rules, etc as part of the whole giant idea of trading. China is very autarkic. National resources are state owned, foreign companies are not allowed to enter those fields (like steel for example). Also, China has higher tarrifs than the US

>>510904362
>euthanasia is bad
No it isn't.
There's zero reason to keep a severely disabled person alive. I'm talking anything from vegetables to people who are so genetically fucked that they can't feed or clean themselves, can't communicate, can't write, can't read, and will never amount to anything because their broken mind and body is a prison. Would it be upsetting for these people to die? Yes, in a way, but it's like picking weeds out of a garden. Otherwise, you waste food, money, and time caring for people who will do nothing but eat, shit, and stare at the wall while drooling.

>>510924391
This "nonsense" is directly from hitler, retard. Gotta love how nazi apologists defend an ideology they know literally nothing about

https://mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v2c14.htm

>Germany today is no world power. Even if our momentary military impotence were overcome, we should no longer have any claim to this title. What can a formation, as miserable in its relation of population to area as the German Reich today, mean on this planet? In an era when the earth is gradually being divided up among states, some of which embrace almost entire continents we cannot speak of a world power in connection with a formation whose political mother country is limited to the absurd area of five hundred thousand square kilometers.

>The National Socialist movement must strive to eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area - viewing this latter as a source of food as well as a basis for power politics - between our historical past and the hopelessness of our present impotence. And in this it must remain aware that we, as guardians of the highest humanity on this earth, are bound by the highest obligation, and the more it strives to bring the German people to racial awareness so that, in addition to breeding dogs, horses, and cats, they will have mercy on their own blood, the more it will be able to meet this obligation.

>Just as our ancestors did not receive the soil on which we live today as a gift from Heaven, but had to fight for it at the risk of their lives, in the future no folkish grace will win soil for us and hence life for our people, but only the might of a victorious sword.

>>510925039
> At long last we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the prewar period and shift to the soil policy of the future.

>Much as all of us today recognize the necessity of a reckoning with France, it would remain ineffectual in the long run if it represented the whole of our aim in foreign policy. It can and will achieve meaning only if it offers the rear cover for an enlargement of our people's living space in Europe. For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude.

>>510906013
>Completely homogenous
>blacks could vote or have rights
I don't think you understand what "homogeneous" means

>>510925164
>If the National Socialist movement really wants to be consecrated by history with a great mission for our nation, it must be permeated by knowledge and filled with pain at our true situation in this world; boldly and conscious of its goal, it must take up the struggle against the aimlessness and incompetence which have hitherto guided our German nation in the line of foreign affairs. Then, without consideration of 'traditions' and prejudices, it must find the courage to gather our people and their strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land and soil, and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation.

>>510923989
>You know how easily this is fixed? Round up the junkies on the street and put them in concentration camps were they can get clean and work. If they don't, shoot them. You'll see how quickly the drug 'problem' is fixed.
based.
we need to do this with fatties too. force them to run on treadmills until they collapse from exhaustion, while keeping them alive on one meal per day and nothing to drink but green tea and flat water.

>>510904957
Jews don't control anything, they just manage.

>>510925239
I know exactly what homogenous means as the Supreme Court defined it. You poos will never be White

be honest with yourself. Do you believe modern white people are superior?
Do you believe that if all of europe united they could even win a war agaisnt hindustan.

>>510925039
That's not what the chapter is about, you retarded nigger. Hitler speaks about Germany's survival and how it can survive the tumultuous period of the early 1920s when Germany's continued existence wasn't even a given. To do so he sumamrizes that
1. Germany needs to have a strong ally. He muses about Russia but dismisses it for a number of reason. His preferred ally is the UK.
2. And that Germany needs to capitalize on the eventual collapse of the USSR. At that point the USSR was in terrible shape and barely holding on. He predicts that it'll splinter in republics that Germany can use for their own benefit and as a defensive frontier from further

"And the end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state..

Nowhere in the chapter does he speak about invading Russia or any of your nonsense..

>>510903828 (OP)
only arguments along the lines of "if you try it Jews will stop you" make sense
>>510904020
this is Hebrew word salad

>>510907235
don't reply to Indians

>>510904467
you don't need homogenous societies you need competence and political will and right thinking in the highest echelons
these things are materially impossible because we live in a world governed by Jewish preferences and all political thought is subordinated to their particular paranoid fears and psychoses

>>510907555
it's 1-2 years not 4, but yes

>>510925949
>Nowhere in the chapter does he speak about invading Russia or any of your nonsense..

Ok genius why dont you tell us exactly what it means that the soil hitler says is necessary for national socialists to acquire within continental Europe will be acquired by "only the might of a victorious sword"

>>510909010
>Germans creating a inter-European caste system with themselves designated to rule over other whites whos land they were militarising in order to steal and subjugate

source? my gay ass telegram

>>510915806
victim blaming my friend

Murdering the smartest, must productive and useful section of your populace is not a good idea. Going to war against the entire world is pretty stupid too. If you want to get rid of non-native troublemakers, send them home on an airliner or a ship. Instead of making war with your rivals, make deals with them, and make them dependent upon your products. Hitler was a dumbass.

>>510926635
Nazis were not victims, hitler himself describes conquest in continental europe as the central priority of national socialism, and hitler initiated the war precisely as he described by attacking Poland

>>510926639
>useful
debatable
>Murdering
actually that didn't happen. you should lurk a bit and you might learn something

>>510926746
Ok but do you have an argument that doesnt rest entirely on your personal head canon?

Anyone still pushing the "Hitler was a Christian" crap should be shamed, ridiculed, and treated like a disinfo agent after all the evidence Völkisch has brought forward.

https://nitter.poast.org/Ehrenkrieg2

>>510926719
first of all... no
I know you won't agree that Hitler was less responsible for the outbreak of WWII than the Polish and British leaders were, but it needs to be said

but moreover even you must be able to see the poor comparison between "judging communism by looking at what it achieved in reality" versus judging National Socialism by the conditions that were imposed upon its people by their enemies after those enemies dismantled that political system

it's not comparable even for someone like you who buys the Hitler war-guilt narrative 100%. Communism had carte blanch dictatorship over half the world for most of a century. in the end almost all communist societies voluntarily dropped Communism. nobody forced them to do it. that proves that the ML logic is self-defeating in a way that being forced at gunpoint to drop NS tenets doesn't prove NS wrong

>>510904020
that's communism you dummy.

>>510926416
This is not an accurate translation and its missing the context. I'll expand in 30 minutes or so as I have some work to do

>>510903828 (OP)
If the U.S. went full National Socialist there would be no stopping it.

>>510926910
You would be very wrong.
Hitler was christian, but it's a kind christianity the jews have doctored you into calling pagan.
He enforced through germany a form of it that followed christian values and morality, belief in and praying to god all that stuff, but rejected the jewish old testament, along the divinity and worship of Jesus.
Because of this he was left alone by the vatican, which didn't interfere even when he persecuted churches and priests who kept teaching about Jesus and went against his views. In Vatican's eyes, nazi germany was a christian country regardless.

>>510927592
i don't understand what you're saying, how can you be considered Christian without worshipping Jesus? what sect of "Christianity" do you think he followed?

>>510915217

>>510903828 (OP)
It relies on everyone else playing by rules a NS state isn't obligated or inclined to follow, while still permitting them to play the game with them on those same terms.

>>510911260
They had to invade all those countries because their economy ran on plunder, and they saw the slavs as backwards peasants unfit to rule themselves, so they thought achieving autarky at their expense was fair game.
They also couldn't stop while they were winning because the Soviet Union had to be annihilated eventually, or they would be the ones getting invaded.
>>510912692
They slaughtered all those people in Eastern Europe as a matter of competition for resources on a continental scale.

>>510903828 (OP)
The only argument against it is the jewish identity is fragile and they will starr murdering children.

>>510927739
He didn't follow any sect, he tried to make his own version of Christianity, without the jewish drivel that preceeded the new testament and with the jewish son of god.

>>510903828 (OP)
Literaly no. It is the pinnacle of civilization.

Only parasitic jew power that seeks to discredit it.

>>510927083
The crux of your ignorance is that you are are misconstruing the fate of national socialist germany as "conditions imposed on it by others" when in reality, their fate was virtually garanteed as the logicalnconclusion of their own ideological beliefs, see >>510923675

>>510926416
Ok, I'm back. Read the chapter instead of various snippets with no context. What Hitler talks about is Germany's precarious position post-WW1 and the need for Germany to expand in order to be 'safe' from another WW1. But nowhere does he talk about invading Russia or any of that nonsense. It's also policy entirely aimed at the geopolitical situation of the early 20th century. By the 30s a lot of it was changed and there were no more of the intricate web of alliances that had plagued Europe before that. Hitler actually speaks in the same chapter to a great extent about an alliance with Russia.. He dismisses it because he sees teh bolsheviks as a mortal enemy and doesn't trust them
>"But in spite of all that, before the War there would still havebeen a second way: we could have propped ourselves on Russia
and turned against England. Today conditions are different. If before the War we could have choked down every possible sentiment and gone with Russia, to day it is no longer possible."

Hitler's whole idea in the chapter is Germanys' survival. And in doing so he viewed fields of interest like every other nation's leader at the time did. The Soviets had designs over Poland and westward, France had designs on Africa, the UK had designs on China, etc. It's nothing relaly out of the ordinary. He just discusses geopolitical interests and strategy.

>>510928042
I could make some arguments against the ideal of national socialism.

Yet, I won't because I am not paid to give out talking points and there is nothing more soulless then the Juden.

>>510927902
They where commiting fucking ate crime!

No I did eat breakfast.

That's an ate crime!

Gaddafi got murdered for it.
Singapore still exists but the jeetening and muslims are trying their best to strangle it. It's only lasted because the place is tiny.

>>510929787
Sorry but you are objectively wrong. Hitler explicitely describes the need for germany to be a super power so it can have more agency and not be subject to political pressure from other super powers, or as he calls it, a "slave nation". He then describes In explicite detail about how the only way for Germany to achieve this super power status and thus achieve germanies autonomy is by increasing its physical land area, and that that this new soil will not just fall out of the sky onto germanies lap, but will have be taken with the sword.

He specifically states that germany cannot grow through commerce or colonialism, it NEEDS conquest, not only conquest, but conquest within continental europe, the new soil must be directly connected to the german heartland, and must thus come from other white countries

And, once again, this soil will not just fall onto their laps, but must be won with the might of a victorious sword.

>>510931184
>only adequate ly large space on this earth assures a nation its existence
>Germany will either be a world power or there will be no Germany

This isnt just him vaguely considering his options. He states out right that germany NEEDS to conquer or else it will cease to exist. He posits german conquest in europe as an EXISTENTIAL IMPERATIVE for germany

And just in case you try to weasel around it, I will say it again:

> If the German nation today, penned into an impossible area, faces a lamentable future, this is no more a commandment of Fate than revolt against this state of affairs constitutes an affront to Fate. No more than any higher power has promised another nation more territory than the German nation, or is offended by the fact of this unjust distribution of the soil. Just as our ancestors did not receive the soil on which we live today as a gift from Heaven, but had to fight for it at the risk of their lives, in the future no folkish grace will win soil for us and hence life for our people, but only the might of a victorious sword.

BY THE SWORD

>>510931737
>>510929787

>>510903828 (OP)
No.

>>510904020
No. It was an ideology of and for builders. They built Germany. They made it powerful. They made progress and civilization prospered.

>>510903828 (OP)
yes
all of them