Thread 510915194

>>510915194 (OP)
Yes, some of us knew that a few years ago

>>510915194 (OP)
How do you counter drones? Signal jammers? EMP?

Didn't Russia just drive a super armored tank through the outskirts of Toretsk that drones couldn't stop? Only a mine was able to stop it eventually.

>>510915338
What it an ultragiga turtle?

>>510915315
Additionally: how reliable would drone counters be? Are we talking about nullification of a drone advantage, leading to continued armored dominance for full-scale invasion, or does air dominance become everything, with mechanized infantry having cleanup duty? If the latter, perhaps robot-assisted infantry will replace armor. The robots will be strong enough to carry some of the heavier munitions that previously required a manned crew.

>>510915315
A fragile stalemate is in effect between the two exhausted, poorly-supplied, and undermanned armies. The vast empty areas between the two sides are patrolled by Autonomous Mobile Swords (AMS)—AI-powered robots developed by Alliance scientists. Nicknamed "Screamers" after their signature high-pitched noise, they target creatures with a heartbeat. Alliance soldiers wear "tabs" that disguise their heartbeats, rendering them invisible to the machines.

>>510915712
>If the latter, perhaps robot-assisted infantry will replace armor.
He literally talks about that in the video in OP.

>>510915194 (OP)
This is pure bs. Tanks are still used daily, and actual troops in the trenches still fear them the most, cause a single tank shell does more damage than hundred drones. The only thing that changed is that tanks are now used as close-range arty, not as an assault spearhead.
And the only reason why drones are still a thing at all - is that all the brass in the world waits for someone else to develop a counter so they can just steal it, instead of investing into it themselves.

>>510915194 (OP)
Like I'm going to believe what some alcoholic who's getting his shit pushed in by AIDS itself has to say about military technology.

>>510915967
>a single tank shell does more damage than hundred drones
This is just hilarious cope. Thank you for that babushka.

>>510916070
Please no gay sex talk itt.

>>510915967
Drones are a thing because air superiority is important. No further explanation required.

Why use tanks for arty if you can just use arty for arty? If tanks devolve into that role, then their structure will eventually shift to match those parameters. Current tanks could be used in that role, but the future may not have the same old "tank" usecase or structure.

nowadays
you just points and click
swing low satellite
hot white chariot

>>510916148
Because artillery has become obsolete too as drones are cheaper and much more accurate than shells, AND because they have a longer range. That means that, in order to be in range of the front, artillery has to be in range of enemy drones.

>>510915194 (OP)
F for tanks

>>510915194 (OP)
Why are they begging for more M1s then?

>>510915194 (OP)
whatever they openly say the military technology is, it's even better

>>510915338
it wasn't super armored, it simply had a thin layer of spaced armor all over
there was another iteration upon this concept where they added giga nigger steel cable afro and it worked even better, although visibility had to be severely reduced

>510915798
actual bot post

>>510916111
>6pbtid in a 15 post thread
please no seething itt.

>>510916369
It's my thread babushka. You prefer 1pbtid OPs don't you honey?

Russia is finished. Tanks and artillery were the only advantages they had and not only are the ones that they had in storage at the start of the war all of them completely destroyed, but their replacements are also all of them destroyed. If your t-90, or Msta-S self-propelled artillery or your S-400 can easily be destroyed by a handful of $400 drones then Russia is done for. Mass armor Zerg rush was their only real strategy that they relied on in their final desperate attempt to try and expand their fake and gay empire and now that can easily be countered by low cost, ubiquitous tech. It's over.

>>510916111
War is gay, anon.

>>510916495
>Tanks and artillery were the only advantages they had
They still have one major advantage left: the low value of human life in Russia and public apathy.

>>510916148
Here's the most common task: you need to take a position. Drones won't do shit to it - they only damage vehicles because of shaped charges, and are useless even against a regular wall. Smart arty would cost too much, and dumb arty can miss and expose itself. So you roll a tank at range, and shoot at the position with cheap dumb munition, but you are more mobile, have more armor and can shoot faster than a regular arty.

>>510916583
you can produce 100 drones for every blayad
the only realistic way out of this is nukes

>>510916583
Russian public isn't apathetic, they fully support the aggressive imperialism of their state. They are fully complicit and as auch they all must be held accountable.

>>510916692
drones are accurate enough to target sub systems of tanks, you can aim for optics and or just the tracks

if you disable a track the tank is immobile, call in 5 more drones and it is over

>>510915798
Incredible movie. I wonder how the book is.

>>510915194 (OP)
We've said this before, but it wasn't true back then either.
More likely it means stiff headed leaders just need to rethink the usage of tanks and have them adapted appropriately.

>>510915315
>How do you counter drones? Signal jammers? EMP?

counter with other drones, lasers

>>510915315
$20 bird nets

>>510915194 (OP)
These guys are material scientists?

>>510915315
Literally just AA systems.
Also, the frontline in Ukraine is composed of well lived in dugout positions that are being targeted by indirect fire, as well as constantly being hopped around. All the US has to do is pop them like pimples. Boom, no more drones.

>>510917041
You can aim wherever you want, but you are still going to miss most of the times, just like you miss with a regular gun.
I'm not telling theory here - I'm telling that tanks _are_ used right now in practice that way and are effective. They just can't roll deep into enemy territory like they used to.

>>510916495
The Russians are dropping 1000 Geran drones on to Ukrainian targets every night.

>>510915315
Future ones? You can't.
They will be autonomous (or semi-autonomous, i.e. pilot ordering it to go to a given area and clear it up) - they'll use AI to recognize targets and will fly at them themselves - no radio control to jam.

>>510917614
>They will be autonomous
This is already the case.

A weapon is not obsolete unless there is something else than can do the same job better/cheapter/etc.

If two forces of infantry clash but one has a tank backing them up, the guys with the tank win.

>>510915315
>Signal jammers?
Fiber Optic Drones
>EMP
.... REALLY NIGGA? A tank uses electronics little bro.

tanks still have a use, we will just see a return of dreadnought style tanks, more as support role than anti armor role. the future tanks will be big heavy crude things with lots of machine guns for clearing trenches and bunkers and such. tank vs tank warfare will be pretty obselete sent drones do that better

we will also see a similar evolution for apcs, big huge catepillar boxes with limited armament and FOV but great survivability against drones and RPGs and the like

>>510917443
yes tanks are effective, but drones are more effective

>>510917692
>If two forces of infantry clash but one has a tank backing them up, the guys with the tank win.
But this just isn't so anymore boomer anon.

>>510915194 (OP)
Man, America's next Vietnam is going to be brutal. We'll spend billions on the most advanced military technology and 3rd worlders will just blow up the drafted zoomies with drones.

>>510915194 (OP)
This is why Australia is heavily investing in drone tech
Australian designed drones are being used in Ukraine right now

>>510915194 (OP)
No human in the world can withstand the strike from a $89 rifle firing a full sized 8mm rifle round. The age of infantry is over.

>>510917806
You should go back before you get drafted.

>>510915798
war is going to get real nasty once we have killer drone bugs buzzing around

>>510915194 (OP)
>a drone built with Ukrainian components
oh, so it's a sales pitch

>>510917766
Once again: drones can't do shit to positions, and nothing is more effective for that job than tanks.

>>510917614
depending on how it collects the data and what source of power it uses you still can

>>510917689
Do they exist? Yes - technology is already there, pretty much open source and capable of running on cheap hardware - it's just a matter of integration at mass scale.
Are they commonly used in this conflict?
I don't think so - what's mostly shown are standard FPV drones.

>>510917860
Go back where? My family fought in the American Revolution.

>>510915194 (OP)
THE NEED FOR A MOBILE NUCLEAR PLATFORM IS STRONGER THAN EVER! THIS IS THE AGE OF METAL GEAR

>>510918095
I don't believe you.

>>510916148
Future is small groups of people and designated jammers, and then designed target/drone operation.

Pretty much dudes running around with Nintendo power gloves pointing and pinky down for a drone strike, or middle finger down to mark artillery, pointer finger down for Mark position on friendly HUD, combinations for other things.
While two dudes work together on anti-drone and then have shotguns.
Motorcycle based infantry, or even countermeasures transportable by quad or what have you.
Too expensive to have too many people in one mobile unit so the switch to assault bikes and then purpose built ATVs is the logical step, until we have hovercraft.

Also mining. Not the metal kind is a thing now. Expect iron harvests and red zones, forever.


>In the age of hypersonics.

It's all so tiresome.

How long until we can contribute to the war effort from our living room by playing drone pilot?

>>510917980
>Once again: drones can't do shit to positions

>>510915194 (OP)
Good. I want the remaining m1 tanks return from Ukraine and we no longer need to send them infantry fighting vehicles or anything bigger than Humvee

>>510918362
That's an open outer trench, not a position. Well-fortified positions can survive even direct arty hits.

>>510917506
They are dropping them on civilian target thus commiting war crimes. The west has successfully manged to reverse engineer the Geran. Russians will receive a taste of their own poison.

>>510917443
>Using tanks as assault guns/STuG's.

Where did you learn that tactic I wonder.
Also I hear mounting an MG on them works wonders for extra support.
>Firing rounds non stop from a tank before retreating as others come in behind you.
>Fire as you retreat.
>Others fire as they advance.
>They are used to breach the position as the ones used to soften it retreat, and had significantly more anti drone than the 2nd wave.
>Then move in with infantry and other smaller quick trucks.


t. CNC3 enthusiast

>>510918196
Metal Gear!?

>>510915315
>All of them
Cheap kinetic kill methods are going to be essential too, so drone interceptors and large caliber radar controlled guns like the Gepard etc.

>>510918588
Ah I should have known it depended on what the definition of the word was. You're right of course: as long as the word means "impervious to drones," then it is impervious to drones. I stand corrected.

>>510918345
We are in the gayest timeline for war, instead of power armour and mechas, we get instead gay little drones

>>510915315
outside of nuclear detonations, emps aren't real.
t. EE

>>510916341
Do *clap* not *clap* ask *clap* such *clap* questions *clap*

>>510915194 (OP)
man, war just gets progressively lamer and lamer as technology improves (there was a brief exception when they started using fighter planes). We need gundams.

On the subject of the actual video, I'm surprised by the pivot from a rational argument based on realistic costs and logistics to WE'RE GONNA BUILD A GIANT WALL HAHA, THE BIG WALL WILL SURELY STOP THE DRONES
I think they might be better off actually diverting the wall budget towards an attempted gundam. At least the gundam could maybe be a tourist attraction like the one in Japan that might make money for more drones.

>>510916148
Are you going to drive your SPG into a city? No, you're going to use a tank

>>510915194 (OP)
What moment in this war and all the webms of the carnage made you realize you never wanted to support or be a part of any of it? For me it's probably the guy who gets blown inside out and his heart is still beating. Or the guy that had his spine severed desperately trying to beat out the flames on his defunct legs. I don't want to get involved in any of that, and I hate that America is involved.

>>510915194 (OP)
Lasers. The only cost is power usage.

>>510915194 (OP)
its wild living in the offencive age kek

>armor is so back btw just not at scale the tier teams are getting hard plates real soon "what do you mean its 30lb's"
"i mean that 50 cal is going to deflect now get in the fucking suit and if you forget the sir again ill make you tread water in the atlantic untill you dont hate me"

>>510918588
Most normies don't know Russia has been making defensive lines, pillboxes and hardpoints for 300 years. Don't bother explaining why to them.

>>510918794
Phase two, or three of the sign tapping is they will constantly talk about all the new wunderwaffles that we have now, like the single shot net launcher, the shotgun 5.56 rounds that are good for 60yds, when and explosive carried by that drone has a higher distance.

I can only imagine the relief of shooting a drone with a net launcher only to have it self destruct 20ft away and blind you and cut off your balls, versus kill you.

Also why aren't NAFO troops trained to not kill themselves to force them to use less ammo on their fellow Redditors?

>>510919065
lasers diffuse, flack is better

>>510919042
Yeah, all of the sudden that UN globohomo stuff meant to stop conflicts like this from happening doesn’t seem so shitty, huh?

>>510918838
Spain has been working on military exoskeletons, they have a working prototype, or several. The problem is it's all to expensive and in war any disruptive technology that you can mass produce fast and cheap will always be prioritized.

>>510917066
“Klaus Epstein.” The other soldier shook with him, a small dark man with thinning hair. Epstein plucked nervously at his ear. “Austrian. Impressed God knows when. I don’t remember. The three of us were here, Rudi and I, with Tasso.” He indicated the woman. “That’s how we escaped. All the rest were down in the bunker.”

>>510919142
>why aren't NAFO troops trained to not kill themselves to force them to use less ammo on their fellow Redditors?
I dunno, why?

>>510915315
https://youtu.be/WwsX8WAzvSQ
that's the neat part, you don't

>>510918838
Yeah man, in like 2003 they came out with a movie called stealth about a rouge AI powered jet,
>Good movie.

It's hilarious because we might need matrix style dakka dakka walkers, or to get the Japanese to finish GUNDAM's in order to win this forever war with Russia.
I myself will be sitting this one out.

>>510915315
Microwaves, lasers, electronic warfare. Conventional ordinance (phalanx systems, etc.) is simply too expensive compared to drones. So even though it is technically possible to build such a thing that could shoot drones down reliably, it isn't sustainable economically.

>>510915194 (OP)
Maybe NATO doctrines are just out of date or the proxy command system is too flawed in the Ukraine?

>>510919331
American inginuety everybody

"bird shot is .00001 at scale"
a drone is 300
we cant mount long range shotguns why....

>>510918899
Japan has Gundam technology, the issue is making enough lightweight armor and a propulsion system to reduce weight on the parts while In earth gravity, however this fucks up everything behind it when the Japanese try reinacting their Godzilla movies in their cities, and starts fires.

If we could make mini nuclear reactors smaller, we would significantly advance the process of building them.
The power draw to move them can also be reduced by making hollow armor and reactive armor versus solid metal.

>>510915315
high intensity bursts of directed EM radiation (Microwave). Only takes a fraction of a second to fry the components on the drone, and can be rapid fired, with precision aiming thanks to AI. Can be attached easily to tanks and vehicles.

>>510919065
power is too brittle, overheating and energy supply, you need a fuckload of power to continuously supply a long range laser, even if its only to blind the drones optics its got to be incredibly accurate, and be able to rapidly pivot from drone to drone, be able to shoot in all trajectories, plus its expensive, nah, a mobile C-RAM spewing airburst flecttetes would have much greater range at much lower cost, probably more resilient in harsh conditons too

>>510915194 (OP)
why not just cover the tanks in long spikes with only a few inches gap in between them.

>>510915298
>Yes, some of us knew that a few years ago

1973 for example

>>510919615
lead also makes them hard to fly but high powerd lasors are suposed to fix this problem the issue obviously is deploying the $80000 lazor tech and $900000 targeting system

blocks your path

>>510915194 (OP)
>Fast forward ten years
>Low altitude air superiority is easily established by hunter drones with emp weapons
>Also high altitude planes can target them with similar weapons at range
>Tank rolls through the enemy drone operators living room because he melted down all his anti tank tech to make more cheap drones that are easily disabled
>Wonder how this could have possibly happened
Are Ukrainians the Polish of Europe?

>>510915194 (OP)
They'll either make tanks with signal jammers built in or they will just create some new kind of tech that makes the armor more effective, it's kind of delusional to believe the age of armor is over as you put it that's how arms races have worked since basically the dawn of time

>>510919234
A full on war has been happening for four years but the rest of us just carry on like it's normal. Fucking weird times we live in man.

>>510919945
"emp weapons" the only valid emp weapon is a nuke or the fucking sun

>>510919331
Single shot suicide drones with 12ga.

Just have them be able to be launched from motherships above the battlefield at a downward trajectory, you could use them with the aforementioned Nintendo power glove, or make them 40mm grenades with a rocket assist that fly 'dumb'
Shotgun drone could be set to shoot 40yd above the assigned target and then the rocket part explodes 10yd from the ground as a secondary air burst after maiming the targets.

>>510919909
HPM is proven to be far less effective than it anticipated.

Are any of your niggers in the military how have you just read a lot about world war 2?

>>510919965
I think infantry in the near future will be equipped with some sort of anti-drone device, probably smaller drones that they can fire off their shoulders like chaff or summin like that

>>510920050
i just like playing david.

Going to breed the Tatu-A'y War Beast via hybrid stem cell cloning and selective breeding of this...

>>510920050
being in the military now means you're dumb

>>510919703
build a big net around it, call it the 'ROPE DOME", simple as.

>>510915798
Based Screamers appreciator.

>>510915194 (OP)
Until that tank is protected by a batter of counter-drone drones. And lasers.

And this...

>>510920093
not infantry i mean sure "infantry" asin a medic but we will and do have area denial devices ready to deploy for companies bases ect

the 5man and the 30man are still fucked

>>510919969
i know we like to meme on pol but what if slavs really arent human, it explains the indifference to hellwar raging for 4 years straight

a slav is born, he drinks, he dies, a slav is born

>>510919249
it doesn't matter even if you could build exos fast and cheap, they still would be fated to get minced by drones in open spaces. Pic related is a cool short series about exos, but the catch is that they are so cheap and replaceable (can be bought from aliens for 1ton of limestone, which is like 50 bucks) that they basically become infantry 2.0, and even then the whole setting would be shitted on if they introduced drones like the ones in ukraine

>>510919969
Oh just wait, any conflict with China and the lights go out permanently.

>>510919499
The issue isn't the price of shot, it's the cost, size, complexity, and maintenance needs of a platform to operate. A microwave shield can be set up which has no moving parts, and can always operate at max capacity. You want to use AI controlled robotic shotgun turrets? Ok, how much ammo do you it to have? Now you have to lug that much ammo around. You have to have the logistics to resupply it. You have dozens to hundreds of moving parts to maintain. Look at a phalanx turret: majority of the bulk of a phalanx turret is its magazine.

>>510919994
Not bad for some situations, but in most scenarios that can't compete with the simplicity and permanence of an EM screen. As long as you have power, you're drone proof, at least with regard to the cheap drones they're talking about in OP's video.

>>510915298
>>510919860
>A few years ago
>1973

You can come up with an earlier example of armor/armored vehicles being rendered obsolete by cheap new technology than that. Think hard.

>>510919965
They need to make them smaller and able to be mass produced and then not jam their own sides, like transportable on quads.
Using these you can use armor again in more roles, or start to take and hold things versus WW1 trench style gayness.

The FAB1500 spam is a great way to remove landmines too. So don't be surprised when they start doing that again, also at what point will they run out of arms?

>>510920231
imagine thinking slavs are not good people kek

slavs are naturalised realists
they drink they die this is life.

Thoughts on the Tatu-A'y?

>>510915315
The counter is strategic bombing of the e drone factories and assassinating NCA.

>>510919860
Neato
Saved

>>510915298
sure you did bozo

Soon the front will be a biological one. Arguably it always was.

>>510917225
what you do against thermite drones?

>>510920278
make the system run on available ammo why the fuck dont we fire gravel and have the attached squad mulch rocks its a moot point anyway flack is the answer and we have 100+ years of cost effective flack

lasors is a step to far (it costs to much LOL)
buy my lazor it costs $0 per shot maintainance is only ohhh ohhh thats alot .

>>510920242
>1ton of limestone


Jesus Christ, there are.....entire mounts.....

>>510915194 (OP)
I dunno. A vehicle could be invented which doesn’t get struck by drones.
Lasers and whirlwind style turrets. To kill a drone you only need airgun tier firepower, it can’t be so hard.
Sonic wave. Emp. Maybe.

>>510915798
Based.

>>510920189
I don't want to be a part of any of it. They won't even let us fight to save our own countries, why in the absolute fuck would I sign up to go die a million miles away from what I call home?

>>510920536
0emp is moot they fucked the airwaves like a year in thats why they use wired drones

in the initial theoretical threads we thought about smashing the signal with all spectrum warfare turns out so did everybody else the answer has always been physical you need to physically plap them out of the sky somehow

>>510915315
you can't, they're too cheap.

>>510920347
yeah seriously, theres a drone factory pumping out manhacks? fucking nuke that shit, in fact, just ban drones like with the Ottawa treaty, any county that uses drones immediately gets nuked, i think that was the plot of Dune, or was that Battletech?

>>510920278
Yeah, developing platforms that can carry, say a cell of 24, 48 of these "bottle rockets" would be the same as having moarter you fire from above.
The .51 gyrojet is probably the closest example of how that would work in real life, the idea being it's 'dumb' and can't be jammed once launched and will just detonate with a sensor that tells it how far from the ground it is, most acceleration happening in the first stages, and then gravity.

Simplicity and stupid easy for mass production are how you win wars. A missile that takes two years to build has less, but some uses. China went hard on missiles so that will be interesting.

>>510917437
>Literally just AA systems.
A drone AA with AI is the future. Nothing else can counter drones as effectively. There's going to be drones and targets.

>>510920457
That is the fun part about the series, everybody has free access to basically infinite amount of exos (the only expensive part is giving them armour), yet irl it still would be more efficient to just send drones rather than arming exos and mounting them to battle, they still get killed as easy normal infantry.

>>510920605
serving your country is an honerable ideal. if the military is for you their is nothing wrong with trying to play your part in this way

it just fucking sucks what is actually happening


remember an iddiot who is ex mill is more valuable to a random person in a random situation (if the mill did a good job) than a genious (this is life ofc the genious is way better but the mill can and will be actively useful in all situations the genious normally needs a ton of shit)


omg a flood
>genious "fuck get me a map we need to start figureing this out"
>"mill Reporting sir ready willing able lets start pulling theese fuckers out of the fire"

kek

>>510915315
hitting drone factories

Spray foam. Anything that makes it fall.
>Fleet tactics.
1 x slab of metal land crusher tank.
5 x outrider vehicles knocking down drones
10 x flame dogo robots
Like the navy does it.
You could even have an aircraft carrier vehicle launching drones as well as a battleship conventional tank.
Naval tactics.
Navies met THE SAME PROBLEM when war aircraft were developed. So look to naval history for inspiration.
I am doing this for free. I should shut up or start charging money.

>>510915315
All tanks need a buddy system. Have a mobile anti air platform with a 20mm autocanon on it always be escorting the tank. Think of it as a return to Pike and Shot but with vehicles.

The Pikeman protects the Musketeer from melee charges, the Musketeer protects the Pikeman from ranged attacks.

The AA platform defends the Tank from Drone attacks, the Tank defends the AA platform from Infantry and other Tanks.

Additionally, a solution may not be more armor, but more speed and maneuverability and better optics inside the tank. So maybe a true return to Light Tanks, or even open top tanks like the WW2 era Tank Destroyers had. No more of this feature creep BS we get out of the MIC. No more Bookers or Bradley's. Just make an actual fucking cheap and fast light tank.

>>510920742
With any luck the damage potential will get too high and people will start having to calm down and realize that press-ganging a few million men to their death (I'm not just talking about Ukraine) just isn't worth it when anyone can take down your tank/airbase/building with less than a grand of shit they can order on alibaba/ebay/amazon whatever. It's like Leto banning shields in the Dune series; just too dangerous; with any luck we'll eventually have a taboo against it.

>>510920742
>easy & simple is how you win
That’s true.

>>510920879
>serving your country is an honerable ideal
No, it's propaganda, which is why politicians and journalists never fight.

A country is a human contrivance, like a toaster. They exist to serve man, not the other way around.

Whirling chains. Like props.
Drones would have to stand off to find the gap. Shoot them down with limitless pellet weapons.

>>510920879
I have always respected doers as a thinker. A balance is needed.

>>510919065
lazers are high maintenance systems, maybe this will change in the future though.
keeping one running in a muddy or sandy environment will be a nightmare, not to mention needing to keep the system cool.

>>510921262
kek you sound like you have money

the problem is not the idea or the ideal its the exicution always was

the properganda is that your saveing your country when you are destroying it

the system is solid

>>510921389
>the system is solid
NAFO troon detected everyone. Why are you shitposting instead of fighting in a trench?

>>510921450
your argueing against the idea of a trench not me bud....

>>510921164
Russias lost acres more men & material than ukraine.
And so they post deserters getting nabbed and tell you it’s press ganging. Every army catches deserters the same way, the pigs do not do it the army itself does it.
My mate was a PT corporal in the foreign legion. He went awol. The pigs are not interested but the legion itself comes after deserters.
Never believe one word Igor The Liar says because they think it’s the height of sophistication and intelligence to lie all the time about literally everything.

I had a great uncle who went to Vietnam. He got his wig split by a sniper he never saw and his body came home to nothing. Families got shit buried man.

>>510915194 (OP)
Time to start developing these things again.

>>510920250
>any conflict with China
you're a retard. the us and soviets spent 50yrs not going to war like this. china is more likely to invade eastern russia than it is to invade taiwan or get into a conflict with the us.

>>510921450
Shut up Poo.
We need to list your armpits as an anti drone option.

>>510915194 (OP)
Did this retard just say
>Build us a Great Wall of China and make us robo bots?

>>510921608
you shld play fun games you know what the most fun thing to do is

you starve them you overwhelm them you trade un-evenly its all the same idea

"war is ecenomics hurrr $1 vs $10 over time $10 wins"

this idea is the very basis of conflict its intrinsic

if i can take your water but you can take my arms i fucking win its dark its painful its real

>>510920879
I don't want to serve my country because I'd only be serving the ideals of a puppet master that tells me I should. Don't be so dense bro, "serve my country honorably" fuck outta here

>>510918684
>The west has successfully manged to reverse engineer the Geran.
It's a radio controlled delta wing with an Arduino and a GPS module. Anyone can build these things.
The difference is the Russians are building and launching 1000 of them a day.
> Russians will receive a taste of their own poison.
Unlikely. Western weapons are expensive, any western version will cost $100k each.

>>510921696
The logistics bit is real.
the bit about tanks are no good but a wall is makes me do a long
>hmm..?

Your fucking heroes get kicked out of their vet hospitals so 70 iq guatemalans can move in or in britains case moslems

>>510917225
>$20 bird nets

more faggot nigger nato logic^

>the first drone slams into the net
>the 2nd drone flies through the hole
WOW so fucking easy

>>510921665
Did you miss the part about no tank being able to survive a drone hit? All they have to do is send more than one drone at once and this thing is toast.

>>510921793
bro we get it but at the same time the skillset you would learn is valuable and its an honourable idea to want to help your country to want to help humanity.

>>510915194 (OP)
bullshit, russniggers are just stupid

>>510921608
Are CNN and your own BBC Russian propaganda? Cope.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/25/europe/ukraine-draft-law-conscription-intl

>>510921949
>Video is about ookranins talking about how they need to build a great wall of China
>Pollack, foam in the mouth not even looking at the thread or webm has to chirp in

>>510921847
into the next net

>>510921793
Depends on a lot of situational things.

>>510921935
Nice pivot. First it's "serve your country" and then its "serve yourself".
Skill sets don't matter when you get domed by a $100 drone.

I once asked the dead if they're skillsets were worth it. They didn't reply.

>>510921999
Yes as we tell you all the time that they are.
Poo
Dirty Wang
Igor The Liar
Are all pushing their crazy dictatorship propaganda. They are cucks.
You cretin.

Really there shouldn't be people in the battlefield at all. Tanks are for peace keeping, not assault

There really is no reason why Russia can't just lob rockets into ukraine forever until it's all dust.

The issue is that politicians all want to conquer land instead of their enemies and throw their own citizens into brutalist wars that kill them off.
We have rockets that can fly around half the world and they're like they still need people going
>Pew Pew
on the ground

>>510921853
I know I posted a rather archaic version of that type of vehicle, but do you really not understand the concept of modern SPAA? Right now, the problem is tracking targets the size of drones, but its not impossible.

My guess is drones will become much more limited when/if SPAA becomes more widespread and the radar systems get to the point of being able to track drones effectively. I actually wonder if the US or other nations have this already, but are keeping it classified.

>>510922133
kek there was no pivot i showed you a nuance that you clearly didnt already know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA-Y6WuC3wk&list=RDCLAK5uy_nhf3h98yS3LCk_bVNQu6GjWG7ARvMaiFQ&index=15

or maybe your just joshing all im saying is if a man wants to legitimately help people he can do worse things than join the military

now will he help people.... its an issue
he will become usefull (he might also break.)

>>510915315
disable the countries infrastructure and let the people rot for a couple months is how

>>510922011
kwiii kwii subhuman rooskie on a VPN enters the chat

and why do you sue American VPNs lol it's embarrassing

>>510915798
I have no idea what work of fiction (You) are referencing but I just want to say this post is extremely based in spirit and nature

>>510915194 (OP)
Armor is more than just tanks. Tanks have been obsolete for decades now. Man portable weapons can disable them. Helicopters eat them for lunch. Close are support vaporizes them. First generation drones like predator could already deny their operation in an entire theater. As could ieds for that matter. Not our fault russia was stuck in ww2 era strategy and had to learn the hard way what the rest of us knew since the 80s.

But apcs, especially with tow missiles, were still useful. Artillery arguably still is. Not the manually loaded shit pulled behind a truck they use in russia or in ww2, but the modern and accurate autoloaded artillery of today. Able to empty its magazine, timed to hit simultaneously, and already on the move before it lands. All miles outside of drone range.

What drones render obsolete is infantry. It cuts through them like butter and renders most modern tactics irrelevant.

>>510915194 (OP)
They've said that before, tanks are still here. Armor adapts.

>>510917692

Yo boomer, last time I checked, Russian HAD way more tanks than the Ukrainians since the start. Yet they’re losing.

Might wanna rethink your bs argument. Age of the tank is over. America‘s enemies are taking note.

>>510921665
Yeah this. Every tank needs to be escorted by a modern Wirbelwind.

>>510921853
Moron.

>>510919965
anon currently wearing a full set of plate armor

>>510915194 (OP)
how long before all ukrainians are dead and it's only us and nato robots / drones fighting russians in ukraine?

>>510922413
Tanks are here not so much because they are useful but because we haven't had large scale land warfare in anything but asymmetric engagements. Which are a turkey shoot with whatever you send. Against a modern peer they would collect dust. Which is well known. We fund them out of nostalgia, denial, and because during the 90s and early 2000s asymmetric war was our bread and butter.

>Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt
They'll be on tanks within a decade.

>>510915194 (OP)
Russia's tanks with the new & improved 'cope cages' are taking up to 70 drones to destroy a piece.

>>510915315
>How do you counter drones? Signal jammers? EMP?
As I understand it nets are the most practical counter at the moment, if the drone gets caught in a net it's basically done. I could see tanks eventually coming with some kind of balloon propelled drag nets as an anti-drone counter measure, maybe even nets dragged by drones.

>>510922936
no they are not.
some of the bravest people on the planet are dieing at scale everyday however.

That being said I'd love to see active defense be practical. Ai is very nearly there. Stuff like cwis has come a long way. It would be a game changer in terms of design, especially since hypersonics are far too expensive to take them out individually. Probably a pipe dream and I would not bet on it. Plus being able to avoid radar, lidar, or even visual recognition will always be both faster and cheaper than upgrading the defense. But it would be so cool.

Anti drone tracking radars / net launchers on the top of tanks will solve it. Tanks still have a place in warfare, it's moronic to think otherwise.

>>510923000
you ever been bird hunting? impossible to miss even hanging out a sidebyside

>>510923019
They are though. There's recent footage of Ukrainians dropping 68 drones onto a single tank to destroy it.

>>510915315
Vatniks with scissors

>>510922936

Drones will improve faster cause they’re small and cheap. Already destroying cope cages.

https://youtu.be/BUpACWKvMck?si=i4G7xNH_0LAgrmkK

>>510923108
.... ok but you know why this is dumb right? you know this is retarded.

it would be like me telling the sun not to rise and then closeing my eyes

>>510923108
>According to battlefield footage released by DeepState, the armoured behemoth – a rare and intimidating sight in Russia’s military arsenal – was ultimately destroyed using an extraordinary 60 first-person-view (FPV) drones.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2080694/ukraine-take-out-terrifying-russian

>>510923076
define the place. It has been narrower every single year. Part of a combined arms approach specific to breaching? Anti tank warfare? Drones are not the last nail in the coffin. They are the soil.

>>510922248
Tiny drones have been worked on here since the 0’s.
Chinese propaganda showed a plastic non functioning one in some Wangs hand recently and Reuters - the many mouths of the NWO - went crazy saying that china had developed them busily mixing that 2 second clip with all kinds of non related documentary footage to, as usual, lie to the world about their retarded globocommunist pets capabilities (which are limited to 1990’s children's RC toys IRL).
A drone could crawl into your colonels tent through the grass. They do not have to fly.
Dogo drones are deployed right now by Ukraine with flame thrower mouths. In response Russia has deployed the scuttling Igor. Pic related. The only problem with the scuttling Igor design is how much room the hump takes up in the meat cubes they end up in.

>>510923283
Ukraine is one war in one place that has stagnated because Russia doesn't have the armor to even use tanks anymore, and Ukraine isn't wasting the few tanks they have left on armored assaults.

You think a war with China or North Korea won't involve tanks?

>>510922392
>What drones render obsolete is infantry. It cuts through them like butter and renders most modern tactics irrelevant

not tru, the ukies are running out of infantry and they are getting torn up because of it, drones are deadly but they are ultimately just hacking paths for kill squads

>>510923416
North korea for sure would. Because it is extremely asymmetrical. The government would topple within a week and the rest of the time spent painstakingly ferreting out hold outs from caves and bunkers. They are not a peer. They are not even iraq's peer.

China would not. Not by a long shot. It would be too expensive to use for occupation and of no value before that.

>>510922024
the drone going 80mph or faster is going to rip through however many nylon nets you put up, then it will explode and blow a hole in the net and the entire fucking pole section it hangs on

>>510918362
>>510918588
There's a reason bongs still love the fuck out of HESH shells. Good fucking luck doing that with a drone, or as we called them when I was a kid "RC planes".

>>510915194 (OP)
>>510915315
mini-CIWS mounted on tanks chambered in 22lr or buckshot/pellets with AI/local radar net system.

>>510923253
i wonder if purpose built cope tanks, super dreadnoughts that exist soley to eat drones could be essentially immune to shaped light explosives, which is what drones are.

the ones they use now are modded after the fact but you could do crazy stuff from a factory, like have a layer of armor, another layer of wire, another layer of armor and then something stupid like rubber, would be able to soak up huge punishment

>>510923859
based palintir kek

>>510920035
Based
>>510919909
TLDR? Epirus looks promising

>>510923859
I still say 50 bmg is the way to go. Better speed, better range, already mass produced, already cheap, and already easily integrated with electronics.

22 lr has reliability problems, more so when auto loaded. Also effectiveness drops drastically at 100 yards.

Buckshot with current plastic cartridges also fails at high speed auto loading. Range limit 70 yards. If you let a drone within 70 yards you have failed. If you can effectively clear an area ten times that you can also have fewer units.

Still not optimistic. It will still be cheaper to mass produce drones that defeat the detection. But it will probably be attempted.

>>510924110
>50 bmg
Ah yes, the well known and documented shockwave will of course shred any drone it passes within 10 yards of.

>>510915315
AI AA trained on thousands of hours of drone footage from ground perspective.

>>510915194 (OP)
tanks became obsolete when they developed deleted uranium munitions. they could load a shoulder fired rifle with powerful enough uranium rounds and turn a tank into swiss cheese. just needs enough punch.. which im sure they have a secret recipe for. literally could snipe tanks like they're soft targets.

i'm assuming as long as the velocity is high enough, even a small caliber uranium round could penetrate relatively thick steel armor depending on the range.

although drones with panzerfaust types of payloads seem to be very effectively. just poke a small hole and fill the inside with some spice.

>>510915315
Eagles

>>510915194 (OP)
>I wanna build a wall so high it stops drones
???
is there sth lost in translation and he is speaking of walls figuratively?

>>510924647
>which im sure they have a secret recipe for
God i hate /k/ faggots like you

>THEY DONT
or else they wouldnt be having their 80 year nato project turned to ash by Russia, or their 47 year long "bomb Iran" project go up in literal smoke and mirrors in 48hrs

I cant believe you people still believe the dogshit coldwar
>"we have le alien tech in a super sekret labratory in the desert!!! you just wait untill the day I unveil it!!! you'll see!" (actually you wont kid heh' its stealth :) ;)

this is dogshit like that sounds like
>the "new thing" same as the other

>>510925020
>the bird will blow up with the drone
no thanks

>>510922391
It's the movie screamers. You should watch it it's excellent. The woman they all die protecting is a robot btw. :)

>>510915194 (OP)
No shit now stop posting it before you make residential drones illegal

>>510915315
Drone is easy to bring down. Problem is they're tiny and fly so high up that they're basically invisible until its too late. Some kind of new aerial radar system would be needed.

This guy is so confused.

>>510925407
>Drone is easy to bring down. Problem is they're tiny and fly so high up that they're basically invisible until its too late. Some kind of new aerial radar system would be needed.
As opposed to a non-aerial radar? Retard you ae 95 IQ stfu

>>510925404
>No shit now stop posting it before you make residential drones illegal

they will all make them operate on some narrow band of the spectrum that hyper gatekeeps them, then make up some elaborate permitting system that would make a gun-enthusiasts experience look hassle free

>>510919909
>a fucking pizza box?!
they coulda maed it moar stylish

>>510925746
I know. They already are. Stfu

>>510925746
we can make our own drones

>>510915338
Yes, 60 drones. The evolution of the cope cage, aka the turtle tank.

>>510915194 (OP)
I found what he said about infantry robots and a wall more interesting.

>>510915315
Currently? By producing larger quantities of more advanced drones than your opponent. You can't meaningfully counter drones at scale, only adjust your approach so drones hurt less.

>>510915315
By having an air force and engaging in SEAD and DEAD so the war doesn't turn into WW1 redux

>>510924306
In all seriousness relatively flat trajectory with a high speed projectile and not needing to manufacturing some exotic boutique round goes a long way. It makes it harder to evade and easier for the computer to hit the path of the target. Cheap enough you can fire a lot of them.

>>510924647
>which im sure they have a secret recipe for.
Honestly explosively formed perpetrators are the only reason this isn't a thing. Turns out you can do it a lot cheaper. Otherwise we would be seeing depleted uranium recoiless rifles. Which while bad ass would be less effective overall. The fact that we can choose either shows just how vulnerable tanks are.

>>510925211
Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder and are not arguing against what he said so much as against some specter of the past in your own mind.

>>510915194 (OP)
kek, does he not know about the russian porcupine tank that withstood 64 ukranian drones?
God damn I hate ukranians more every day, they act like they're perfect and aren't the niggers of Europe.

>>510925020
>Eagles
Look how restricted eagles already are. You have to apprentice under a falconer for years. Have the money for an enclosure, get state licensed, climb a tree and find precious eagle eggs of precisely the right species. It is easier to get a class 3 ffa than a falconry license.

>>510926212
It's extreme overkill, not accurate enough, and not small enough for accuracy by volume on a mount that can traverse fast enough. .22 problems are in gas or blowback guns, if you're firing thousands per second from a powered multi barrel gun a dud goes out the exact same way as a spent case.

>>510926528
The hedgehog?
Nah, it's on video taking a few hits but they found the weak spot. Or what new cope are you referencing?

>>510925407
I think there is a legitimate argument to be made whether a high definition camera with optical recognition or radar would be the optimal route. Probably both. Invisible to the naked eye isn't the same as a telephoto lens with n megapixels constantly scanning the sky after all.

>>510915315
Tactical nukes in the cities.
Out terror on the population, and you will strain the enemy leadership.

Tell them, depose this man, or i will destroy your people.
But men have no balls nowadays.

>>510915194 (OP)
Lmao, wrong. The era of the MBT is over. Cheap tanks covered in shit is the future. The Russian turtle tanks have gotten to the point they take 50-60 drone strikes like nothing, and really only get disabled by AT mines.

why dont tanks comes wit turrets and shoot down those tiny shits

>>510926659
and this is why we will have nukes soon
putler must do it, or it is over

>>510926737
>the turtle tank
more retard cope

>>510915315
make cheaper small drones to counter bigger more expensive drones

>>510926873
it hit an AT mine, not a drone

>>510926737
>50-60 drones
60 drones are still hundreds of times cheaper than the tank they destroyed.

>>510922391
https://youtu.be/qrgAvr0TIr4

>>510927084
>the video is literally of a drone flying into it and blowing it the fuck up
>UHH THE DRONE DIDN'T HIT IT
lmao
the AT mine isn't the reason it exploded into a thousand pieces, you blind retard

>>510918866
Came to post this.
t. Another EE

>>510915194 (OP)
>tank with radar and anti drone turret
a pack of 10 each accompanied by 2 of them rolling through poland. panzer doctrine will never die.

>>510926591
>It's extreme overkill, not accurate enough, and not small enough for accuracy by volume on a mount that can traverse fast enough
It is not extreme overkill. The mass is what helps it maintain momentum at range. A well trained human can keep a 2 inch group at 1000 yards. With bog standard military ammo. With match grade ammo and decent data on atmospheric conditions 2500 yards is possible. Which is sufficient to protect from drones.

Traversal isn't that bad. No it won't be able to defend against a 360 degree sustained onslaught. But look at existing 50 bmg systems. Saab Trackfire RWS can traverse 120 degrees a second, FN's FN America's deFNde medium can do 90 degrees a second. They can both already be mounted on light vehicles. Enough to create a an effective barrier and when used in unison defend an area.

>>510926857
I just wish men like me will ever take power.
If i was putin i swear to dear God, thes guys would call me Demon King. I would have no shame to use whaever weapons i have at my disposal and target both military and civilians targets to ensure i destroy these people.

Say what you want about israel, but thats how i want my white people to be. DEMONS. Fiends.

>>510915194 (OP)
Wait, Duck Dynasty is Ukranian?

>>510915194 (OP)
>don't send more tanks they're useless.please trust us.

>>510915194 (OP)
A suit of graphene power armour or something probably could defend against this though. Alas, we must keep propping up the third world instead of reaching for the stars because reasons.

>>510915967
>>510916692
>>510917443
>>510917980
>>510918588
This sort of retarded mentally is the reason why Russia has never and will never win a tactical victory.

>>510927288
>A well trained human can keep a 2 inch group at 1000 yards
On a stationary target.
Remind me exactly why you need a huge AP round to disable a flimsy piece of plastic shit that will eat dirt if you hit it with literally anything?

>>510915315
Fiber optic drones go through jammers no problem
>>510917225
Drones can go below the netting if you're refeering to netting the roads, they already tried and made a counter towards that within a month.
>>510917437
Too many of them, ineffective in attritional war and expensive, shotguns are unironically a better viable option but you aren't gonna cover all ground with that

>>510927225
You are retarded, turtle tanks unironically take 50+ hits as of recent if you even tried following this war.
But despite that it's still a shitty pay off, so hes right about MBT being a done deal.

>>510915194 (OP)
lol, it became obvious after Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict in 2020 but after a year of if Russian-Ukrainian war it bacome obvious for retards but I still meet people who says no, no, tanks are the best and you just didn’t see the real Abrams or real Brits tank or real something else, lol

>>510915315
The bird snare.

>>510915315
The drone sees an enticing target, the snare snaps.
It's over.

>>510928441
>turtle tanks unironically take 50+ hits as of recent if you even tried following this war.
Are you talking about the armored supply trains? If not, your cope is simply not true at all
Words have meanings, don't call something that's not a tank a tank you dumb nigger

>>510928528
Well they are right insofar as abrams will only be deployed after air superiority and before the enemy has time to deploy drones at scale. Hell they couldn't even keep them in iraq or afghanistan for any length of time. The use cases just keep getting narrower and narrower approaching zero.

>>510928293
>Fiber optic drones
I don't see this as a viable tactic in the long term so much as a stopgap measure. Lasers or highly directional satellite control can do the same thing better.

>>510915194 (OP)
In the case of drones offense is the best defense.

>>510915315
The other option is sending people within the killzone and carefully but meticulously shooting them down with m1 garand

>>510923000
The spiderman will be joining the frontline soon

>>510927866
>Russia killing dysgenic orcs 20 to 1
>NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHITE MAN
Lol, do you even hear yourself, mognolmutt?

>>510915194 (OP)
I have an idea for drone armor for a tank.
Take ribbons of metal and bend them in loop and put these all over the tank. The drone will get caught in these loops of steel and not detonate.

>>510920278
>Now you have to lug that much ammo around. You have to have the logistics to resupply it. You have dozens to hundreds of moving parts to maintain. Look at a phalanx turret: majority of the bulk of a phalanx turret is its magazine.

Maybe this is what the tank itself evolves into. The tank can be, or at least classically has been used in partnership with infantry. The infantry protects the tank against rpgs and the tank provides fire support for the infantry. So this future might be providing close air support for ground troops surrounding it.

One big way this falls apart is that you have long range drones providing reconnaissance. Once a tank is spotted it and its surrounding infantry can be targeted with artillery.

So: maybe MPLADS (man portable local air defense system) needs to be developed and added at the squad level, and one or two grunts hump that MF around. This is maybe your phalanx cannon with birdshot. Maybe boston dynamics adds it to a big dog.

>>510915315
Right now Laser systems aided by AI will be the only effective way of countering such a thing, I wouldnt be surprised if thats where our whole ass military budget is going.

>>510925997
Impressive, but 60 drones in dollars vs 1 tank its still a profit

>>510930804
It was 60 drones vs two tanks, and they weren't tanks at that point, but basically their a glorified supply train or APC

Trophy system

>>510929724
the problem with a hypothetical MPLADS system is is is still a complex expensive target and infantry would cluster around it for protection - making the squad an easy target for fragmentation artillery. And this pushes for dispersing the squad. So maybe MPLADS has to be at the fire-team level. It also needs to be small. Maybe it is your own local drone with enough camera and compute to give half-spherical coverage, with enough intelligence to navigate around independently following the team. It could communicate with the team verbally over local comms telling individual members to move some meters left or right for cheap falling bombs while it targets the source and or bomb itself.

But at what point do you just say fuck it and just turn the sky black with cheap AI powered things and whoever with the best supply chain wins. Just overwhelm any defense with mass, including some laser thing.

>>510915194 (OP)
I believe the correct response is to skip the battlefield and drop a nuke on the drone pilot’s family

>>510931164
Ah thanks, I guess when it gets to 600drones vs 2 armor whatever it gets interesting and its shaping up like that now i guess used to be 1 drone 1 tank one dead tank..kinda like ai. Will drones flop in one year from now?cuck warfare is when you lose so hard you start to win

>>510926873
>>510927131
When only 4% of drones successfully complete their missions (according to WSJ and oryx)
>60 drone hits
>~1500 drone launches
>$500 per drone
>$750,000 per tank
Roughly equal cost.

>>510915315
something cheaper and smaller than the drone - like ai guided micro missiles

>>510915194 (OP)
Yes, drones have both changed and democratized warfare in ways that are only beginning to be appreciated. It would be revolutionarily wise to maybe stock up on some fiber optic drones with maybe 2 kilometers of range. That’s an incredible force equalizer. It’s amazing way a few of those things can do. Some decent drones have up to 20kilogram payload. That’s astonishing. 44 pounds of many things that come to mind can do mind blowing things.
It is a game changer in all ways. Now, even the most poorly supported fighting force can defend themselves in ways they never could before. Actually seizing land becomes prohibitively dangerous.

>>510917001
why are you hiding in romania?

>>510931717
>I'm trying to do math and I'm a fucking retard
60 drones, two armored blyatbarns with zero visibility so they're not a tank anymore. They have zero visibility, zero optics, and are relying on some retard on a radio to guide them to drop off their subhumans in a treeline.
two T-72 tanks are $2,400,000 + $100,000 (conservative estimate on armoring a blyatmobile)
500*60 is 30,000
So less than a single javelin
fuck off with retard math

These retards are delusional with no concept of self preservation.

>>510932098
>>510931717
also it was 54 hits with 60 drones launched

>>510917745
>fiber optics g-guyz!
nigga, wire guided missiles have been a thing since the 70s

>>510918684
you ukroniggers started that when you tried to blow up the crimean bridge with a suicide bomber like ISIS

>>510932098
Hohols themselves are saying their strategy is working no more. Russians are outnumbering them in both manpower and equipment.

>>510932322
No one cares what you think or believe you're repeating to be true, you eat cow shit. You're a shit colored animal in a shit colored country. Be White and I'll take your post seriously.

>>510915194 (OP)
Bullshit.

>>510932116
>>510932322
>"hallo sar please accept my visa sarr, I am very good poop eating developer who watch lots of hindustan times sar"
shut the fuck up retard

>>510932029
>democratized warfare

lol. you need a supply chain providing semiconductors, lifepo4 batteries, metals, circuit board mfg, electric motor production, rare earth materials, injection molding polymers, explosives, and a deep supply of technical talent (engineering and programmers), skilled labor, and warriors.

>>510932379
Why you are butt hurt nigger? Is it because of the failure of your sanctions. The Russian economy isn't collapsing anytime soon.
>>510932446
>Retard.
It feels good when you see nafo trannies dilating their tranny assholes.

>>510920124
it always has

>>510922332
and there we go the p*lish monkey is already calling everybody who calls him retarded a russian on a vpn, damn near every thread has one of these even when russia isnt mentioned

>>510932722
>Why are you butt hurt?
I'm not, I'm telling you you're a shit colored animal.
>muh sanctions
Sanctions have worked find in increasing the cost of their war, otherwise they wouldn't have drained their soverreign wealth fund and recently announced they have to cut military spending.
>nafo trannies
You are a subhuman shitskin that eats cow shit. You will always be a brown dreg that worships cow anuses. You are not a human being.

>>510932924
>>510932722
>find
fine, rather
Also, secondary sanctions are coming on your shitskin country and the EU has just sanctioned you.

>>510932924
Everybody saw you chimped out like a nigger.

>>510932971
>Secondary sanctions.
LoL! Good luck.

>>510920456
Centrifugal mg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--2XlPziMY8) loaded with gravel on an automated mount. A shower of crushed rock should wreck a copter drone - just need to keep the pattern tight enough at 100ft. Tanks already generate spare electricity, no need to use expensive brass or zinc, no need to waste gunpowder, any local crushed rocks will do.

>>510919301
>Relevant Armored Core content on /pol/
Alright that's enough of this website. The call is loud and reaching me yet again.

>>510915194 (OP)
yeah

i seen's it comin'

rich motherfuckers that can put together the places to store them, program them, fly them from with laptops etc. could now challenge whole armies of ther nation states this way

shit if i were a tiny ass country like
>NORTH
macedonia

or
>MOUNT NEGRO
>(montenegro)

i'd start HEAVILY investing in the infrastructure to my home country to implement the infrastructure necessary to first maintain and program, then eventually build and have total local control over

AT LEAST for defense

the FIRST mother fuckers to basically make your $100 flying grenade in the 100,000 range has the opportunity to invade a neighbor and fuck them up

imagine if saddam had them back in the day :O

>>510932999
>"sar you are being a niggar sar, btw brics niggars will rule the world sar"
fucking kill yourself and you're entire family

>>510932128
Again, 60 that they told you about. The average overall over hundreds of thousands of missions is a 4% hit rate. Apply that to the required 60 hits (which btw did NOT destroy the tank, a AT mine did) and you’re looking at vastly more to kill the tank than to make the tanks.

>>510932098
T-72s only cost that much when they are the latest version. As we can see these are I upgraded versions they’ve hacked together. Ie the price per tank is significantly less.

So far the AT mine is the most singularly effective weapon against tanks. As shown again and again.

>>510932999
Again, you are a shit colored animal in a shit colored country. No one cares what you think. You worship cow anuses, eat cow turds and bathe in the ganges with a ll of the dead shitskin corpses bloated and floating down to pollute someone else's water. You are a subhuman stain, the only redeeming factor about you is that you've stayed in your shitskin shithole.
>>510933061
>good luck
Cope, shitskin

>>510933121
Calm down Timmy.

>>510926603
that thing took 60+ drones to stop it lmao,it's not a cope.

What would they do against drones?

>>510920972
see i started posting this idea at the beginning of the ukraine war

yet i have yet to find/identify a LONG RANGE
>at least 20-30 feet
generic spray foam cannister one could reasonably carry on their person

someone should come up with a modified version of your average expansion foam cannister but possibly with one of those smaller cannisters of c02 you would use in a pellet gun for example

still compact, could likely send a LONG blast of sky jizz to muddy up some rudders

>>510933145
>Apply that to the required 60 hits (which btw did NOT destroy the tank, a AT mine did)
We're talking about a completely different set of TWO armored personnel carriers, you fucking retard. Not whatever the fuck you are coping about. And "uhh my average also applies to this engagement!" is just you being fucking retarded. That's not how that works. You can watch the full video on telegram of the two tanks getting hit with the drones.
They're not tanks at that point. They have no offensive capacity. They have no optics or targeting systems. They have no offensive capacity other than the subhumans in the cage of death that will die as soon as they arrive at their destination and try to dismount, which is far riskier because they have to work their way out of an armored deathtrap.
They're simply using them because they've meaningfully run out of APCs.

>>510922896
oh fugg

y'all niggas heard of that recent backyard mosquito laser blaster?

FUGG

>>510933196
>Cope.
Only made gains from this conflict.
It's Americans who are losing billions each year.

>>510915194 (OP)
>ignoring the fact that it takes dozens of these drones, on average, over several hours, to get a kill on an isolated tank that was sent on an unsupported suicide mission by a russian commander who can collect the salary for the dead tankers if he doesn't have to pay them
we're overlearning the lessons of this war, which has become static attritional warfare due to neither side being able to establish air superiority.
FPV and grenade dropping drones have existed since ~2014-2015. They've become a huge deal in Ukraine because Ukraine can't get enough good weapons, so it's specialized in what it can get. Which is more economical but not nearly as good at getting expeditious and timely kills on enemy assets.
It's true that drones are more economical than other solutions but it's better to have a pointed action where you destroy key assets and break an opposing force rather than attriting it over months or years, any war of attrition will become more expensive.

In a mobile war where you can establish and maintain air supremacy drones become significantly less relevant, except as an insurgent/terrorist weapon but if you're in that mode you've probably already lost the war.

>>510915194 (OP)
I think the future will be drone launcher tanks which essentially function like really small aircraft carriers. You'll have normal tanks and apcs protecting it while it launches and recharges a swarm of attack and counter drones.

>>510932322
Well yeah eventually numbers become impossible to deal with but that will always be true. If you have machinegun and get rushed by a bunch of savages with spears and eventually get stabbed to death because you ran out of ammo it wouldn't mean that spears are better than machine guns.

>>510933758
>SAAARR THE BRITS STOLE ALL OF MY EMERALDS SAAAAR THEY STOLE THEM ALL THE COW TURDS EMERALD WAS WORTH 50 TRILLION DOLLARS SAAAAR

>>510933993
>stabbed to death because you ran out of ammo it wouldn't mean that spears are better than machine guns.

define 'better'. In your own scenario spears were the weapons system that lead to victory due to an innate fault in the other.

>>510915315
There is no effective system in the field just yet.

>>510934470
There is
You have an airforce and perform SEAD/DEAD so that the war doesn't turn into WW1 redux with faggotry like crawling for miles from trench to trench under the cover of night and with thermal blankets
Which is what Russia has been reduced to because they do not have an airforce and cannot destroy western air defense, and have destroyed 50% of their irreplaceable AWACS in the attempt to do so

>>510916256
>Because artillery has become obsolete too

Anon it takes a special kind of wilfully stupid to say this. The Russo-Ukraine war has been predominately an artillery war and drones most significant contribution has been their roll in making artillery even more effective to the point it can guide a single artillery shell to a tank.

All those drone suicide videos are just flashy propoganda videos far more armored vehicles were taken out by guided artillery.